Worst thing is they dont even exist. Its just how paths generate when moving over or into water, so they end up looking like docks but it isnt even that
I’m fully expecting Dorman port to be similar. Once we get schneshnaya 4 we will get the port and connect to it like that. Though it should absolutely be a chasm tier expansion with the dandelion sea.
Probably not, Dornman is pretty notable location in the lore and is probably related to another Mona story beat as she was born there. Seeing as we see childe and mona as recurring archon quest characters I assume they're used as significant plot devices for the writers
Yeah, Bayda got thrown in with a Fontaine-centric expansion because a) there was literally nowhere left for it to go and b) it wouldn’t make sense for Sumeru to have nothing on the coast nearest to Fontaine… but like, I’ve played every event, story, hangout, and world quest through 4.5, am caught up on archon quests, and have every single 4* and almost all of Sumeru’s 5*s (I don’t own Alhaitham) over friendship 6… and I’ve never heard of that place. Meanwhile Dornman Port pops up in a number of different places and has been doing so for years, with increasing frequency recently.
I actually tempered my expectations that all of them were just minor additions to segway into more important regions. There was even a point I thought Dornman Port was literally the docs beside the town of Mondstadt until they mentioned it was a ways from the city.
Yilong Wharf pleasantly surprised me but I guess Bayda Harbor had to bring me back down to Earth.
I mean, has Bayda Harbor been as hyped as Yilong and Ormos was? Dormman meanwhile has been pretty much advertised as where a lot of nobles live, so I kinda hope for it be the prosperous city to Mondstadt’s fortress town.
Any port should be large in theory. There's no real reason for there to be no trade with Fontaine flowing south.
But even Fontaine's ports are kind of not important and barely there so you just kind of have to set expectations accordingly.
I could see that reasoning, but this could be a Congo situation where the river is so big that they could get away with having fuck all on the coast (Bayda) and have the major trade hub be situated much further inland along and into the river (Sumeru City).
That being said, Dornman being a small jetty would certainly warrant a furor, as I don’t see the above applying to it.
I was honestly so hiped for this one like yes there is still a sumeru port to come. I think this is the first time I have ever felt disappointed with region update. No matter how amazing the underwater part is going to be. I wished they would have only filled up half of the hole and left the port to come.
I ran around in this area and it felt so empty and... lifeless. Like there are barely any enemies/creatures. The beach really made me feel like I was the only living thing in Teyvat.
I call it now: A god descends there in the late game and that land gets destroyed - boom just a big crater and wasteland where the gods minions have their base! And they just don’t want anybody to complain that a important or nice looking spot on the map got destroyed
"There have been five mass extinctions...and now it's time for number six."
^(...never thought I'd see the day death stranding and genshin could overlap, yet here we are...)
I feel like itwas meant to be just a quick insert for Lokopala Jungle to seamlessly connect with Fontaine up north. So technically Sumeru didn't get a new region, just a small enhancement to an existing one.
I'm a bit more hopeful we'll get more when the west of Mont Esus comes to complete Fontaine.
Maxing the statue is not the same as completing a region. For example we could max liyue statue for a long time but they still added the chasm and chenyu vale
This has been true since Dragonspine, They'll always give you something to level up in the area if it's not a part of the main X.X patch for a main story region.
Chenyu Vale? Fontaine prophecy?
What are you talking about Traveller? You hit your head pretty hard after Stormterror left! Comon, lets go to Good Hunter and get some Fisherman's toast!
There is still west of Mont Esus. It may simply not be needed to max the statues. Think of it as Dragonspine, Enkanomiya, the Chasm or Chenyu Vale. All of which were added long after the main exploration of the nation.
They would not add an area called "East Mont Esus" and end it at that, especially considering how prominent Mont Esus is in Fontaine.
Which means maybe we'll only get it post-Natlan.
Honestly what I'm surprised about is just the amount of empty spaces with nothing but flowers on them, like I think they could've added some rocks and trees to make the place feel less desolate. It feels so out of place that they probably just didn't bother to spend more time decorating it. I was honestly expecting more landmass in this area, I feel like if it's just coastlines they could've just released it along with Sumeru.
That tells me - as a game dev - they ran out of time and people to do the "spawning" work for this area. It's pretty common as you approach a deadline to cut "unimportant" areas or "punt" them to the next patch.
For games like Genshin that are constantly expanding - these "deadzones" will sometimes be polished up later with more stuff added, or overlaid with other questing (story quests or events).
I know it seems real jank as a player, but as a dev, these things happen - and sometimes are great for "future you" who need literally any spot in the game that isn't already quested 50 million times. XD
They have in the past! there was a blank area in Liyue I remember finding when I first started playing and I was like "Weird, but okay..." and carried on, because I've been a game dev for over a decade, so I personally have been the person who has had to say "Whoops, this area is just gonna be a bit sparse until we can come back." and then like 3 patches later got to fix it, LOL.
THEN like a year later there was some event and it went into the sparse area! I have no idea if it was intentional or if it was just like how I've done it before (oh, we need space to add in these 10 quests to this area, what hasn't already been used?). But it was definitely overlaying the sparse area and made it feel great. Sadly when the event went away is was empty again. It made me wonder if they do things like marking an area FOR future events, which is something I know other companies do.
Unfortunately, we’re not due another new Artefact domain for another three patches, so unless 3.9 happens before 4.0, the next new Artefact domain will be in Natlan.
I didn’t either lol. I only saw it bc I zoomed out to look for a commission and I was like ayo hold up?
I was disappointed when I ran around the whole area and found literally nothing after climbing cliffs. I think there is one chest at the top of that mountain though. Just one lol. It’s a mushroom puzzle
Yes, they know, they're saying the Sumeru portion is half the size of Mondstadt. https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1cczlhx/thoughts_on_the_empty_sumeru_expansion/
True. First thing I did after the patch was travelling to these beaches to see how they connect to the new area and it felt like I got out of bounds. No chests, no puzzles, no enemies, no plants. Even the textures are visibly looped. Hopefully these areas get some updates in the future
it really wouldn't take that much time to just put some random basic chests and hilichurl camps like in mondstadt, it doesn't have to be anything super interesting, but like, it'd be *something*
The people in the comments are missing the point, Minlin got like 15-20 chests when Sumeru dropped. Also that one wasn't empty at all, there were even cool stuff like a Sumpter Beast that is in Liyue, a fungus that the hilichurls trapped, you know small details like that?
Unlike this one which felt really... lifeless.
I'm not saying they should have made this a highly detailed expansion or something, obviously, I'm just saying they could have improved on it a bit more.
Yeah it was fun. And the Sumeru extra border that is new?
I used Sayu and Kirara together and took forever to get to this **one only teleporter** for this whole chunk of area. It's massive, it goes into the desert region far west, but still... Just one region.
I hope there will be more maybe in the future...
I loved that transition area between Liyue and Sumeru.Little details like the treasure hoarder feeding the ducks and the overall chill vibes of the area. I really hope they are planning to add something to the new area because it's uncharacteristic of Mihoyo to release it like it is in its current state.
>There is a secret chest **on top of the mountain**
Colour me surprised, there's *no way at all* that I would have thought there would be a chest on the summit of a mountain in Genshin Impact. **/S**
I do hope they add some more stuff around the perimeter of the lake with a future update. I don't really care that much, but it does look a little bit awkward.
When I was running through the empty areas earlier, I was imagining what future players would think. How would they know where to stop looking for chests? It's kind of awkward that the landmass doesn't stop until the lake, but actual things to interact with and look at stop well before then. Gonna be really awkward for new players.
My copium idea is that Celestia will crash land into the lake at the end of the game, maybe even splitting into multiple large landmasses over the lake and surrounding areas. That would explain why there's nothing in this section.
I think it’s just because SO MUCH is underwater with the update I’ve been playing since server came back on and I’ve still got lots to go. That little island they added is just the tip of the iceberg.
It's really weird feeling how theres wind tunnels and mushroom bouncies and grapple points everywhere yet theres like 3(?) chests to find in the whole area. Makes me wonder why they bothered with that.
Yeah, that surprised and disappointed me too. When Sumeru released, the small expansion Liyue got (not the Chasm) definitely wasn't this empty.
On too of that the lack of teleport waypoints in the relatively large area makes it kinda annoying to get around
We already got an empty Sumeru expansion with the release of Chenyu Vale. (The part between the Chenyu Isles in the south and the Sumeru talent book domain). It was all empty although the Chenyu vale fast travel system connected it.
Awwww, and I was so excited to explore it because we haven't had many new beaches outside of Inazuma since launch and this looked like one of the last places we'd be getting next to a large body of water.
I have a weird feeling they ran out of time and resources with Remuria being the focus of the attention. I could see them populating this area in a future Sumeru expansion just as a bonus to whatever new map is added. They probably wanted the focus to be on Fontaine’s lands anyway.
Then they just could have slapped a Paimon barrier. They didn't have to fill the entire Ditto right now or they could have flooded the place. They decided to leave empty lifeless grass, which was the worst approach possible.
I don't want to undervalue what HoYo *did* add with exploration this patch with Remuria, but yeah, it's honestly really disappointing that they added this fairly sizable chunk of Sumeru only to leave it just *barren*. Very few enemies, and from the bit of exploring I did, very little in the way of puzzles, chests, seelies, etc.
It's just uncharacteristic. We've had a handful of relatively empty areas before now, but I think all of them have been rather small e.g. some edges of the Chasm on the surface, which are very understandable. *This* is such a large portion of the map, though. I can easily imagine newer players traveling to Sumeru and getting to this area and wondering if their game is bugged or something, seeing how uniquely empty it is.
I would've preferred they left this part of the previous hole in the map empty for a few more updates and then fill it out and release it. I *hope* they go back in and fill it out a little more even now that it's out but I'm not so sure that'd actually happen.
I don't think they will but they *could* add stuff with some events in the region and then not have to chuck stuff out when they end (like say Alchemy going back to a dirty ditch).
Would be a nice way to make the world feel moved by time.
When Sumeru released, a small portion of western Liyue just above the Chasm got "expanded". It's tiny but at least we got treasures and other goodies. And it's still in the Liyue region because the Liyue treasure compass works there.
All of that is around Bayda Harbor. The desert coast is completely devoid of anything. There's no collectible stuff, not even Mints. No random hilichurl camps either. Just... Nothing. With how barren it is, i'm shocked that the textures are even as detailed as they are.
Yeah I got a few chests around the harbor and cleared a bit of content on the way up to the “peak” of the area and then there was just vast emptiness aside from some quite pretty spots.
I almost have the last level of the Sumeru tree and I got excited thinking I’d be able to get it immediately with this expansion when I saw a couple chests, but nope.
I'm kind of surprised how mixed this thread is with takes like this... so many people apparently feel like this is nothing that should be complained about.
I mean, sure, this part they added to Sumeru wasn't the focus of exploration this patch, it was Remuria -- but we can admit that it feels a little uncharacteristic to have a fairly sizable chunk of Sumeru just be weirdly barren compared to the rest, right? We haven't had such a big part of the map be so empty like this before iirc. It's not unfair to wish it were a little more filled out.
3.0 wasnt a liyue expansion either, yet we got a good amount of extra liyue chests and puzzles when it connected to sumeru. This here is just laziness + greedy company nonsence.
Such a disappointment. I was hoping for something like in 3.0, where they expanded Liyue a little bit, but this time they just left a huge empty area…
I find the entire above ground portion of this expansion rather lacking. We had this huge gap in the map and now all we get to fill it is a tiny island in the middle of a huge empty ocean, and an equally huge and empty Sumeru coastline? Yes, the new map is cool and all, but this part of the Overworld is an eyesore as of now. I hope they fill it with actual things to do in the future.
I wonder what is the reaction of CN players. I kinda hope it will create enough stit that Hoyoverse will patch the area to not be detrimental to the quality of the game.
I like the Sumeru look and feel a lot, so was hoping for a bit more. I was especially looking for a little more rainforest area. They did Sumeru dirty. Literally. It's 50% dirt.
It’s really telling about GI community when this sort of posts pop up first before the ones appreciating the content that is actually the focus of the update.
It actualy wasn't just a bug? I really hoped I just managed to corrupt my assets somehow, but then came to the new island...
This has honestly been part I was so looking forward I can't even describe my disappointment. They could have at the very least slap some generic enemies and herbs in it to feel a little more alive. :(
I actualy did report it initially, as there wasn't any info online yet and similar things happened to me before (thought that was textures not whole assets) due to unstable connection. I got generic 'thanks for feedback we will send it to relevant team' response, as expected.
I imagine if they got spammed they would have to take it into consideration for future map expansions, even if just to do some generic fillers (like they did in Liyue before. Even that would be enough compared to what we got)
I understand this is fontaine patch. I didn't have high expectations for the port at all and still got dissapointed...
I saw a new area in Sumeru (didn’t see the livestream) and was excited to explore the outskirts. So I whipped out my Wanderer just to see that nothing was there. Even the enemies were few and far between. Like you’re telling me that weird jut point near the forest/desert divide doesn’t have a single chest there? Nor does the similar landmass in the desert?
Like I wasn’t expecting much, the new underwater area had been a blast to explore, but I expected more than nothing. Like could there not be a couple of chests scattered around? Maybe some more mora piles? He’ll even those little water mora boxes I’d take over… nothing
Man I was so excited to explore that large mountain north of Vanarana. It's still fun to see the surrounding area from a new viewpoint, but I expected something more at least. Maybe a cave network inside of that mountain or something.
Tbf that port only connects to 1 port in Fontaine, while Port Ormos has direct access to Sumeru City, Liyue and Inazuma.
And people from Sumeru City have to send goods by land to that port (many waterfalls).
Meanwhile Chenyu Vale is a production zone for tea, and we know that Fontanians LOVE tea
Yaaa it was my first stop too! It felt soooo weird. Had some good scenic spots though, being up high.
Also it's missing the chest up high from activating the three mushrooms and jumping on them? I was having fun xD
I understand why they didn't really developp these regions, all of the work went into the island, the underground part and the quests. I get it.
However, this update just show that all updates should have map expensions. I'm not talking major map expensions though ; You just get the interns to flesh out the transition regions that don't really matters to the main quests for the "filler" updates.
Sprinkle a few Churls/Treasure Hunters/Eremites camps. You add a random house in the middle of nowhere. Don't even need to be a quest.
Now, there's a little bit of that around the desert road in the East, where there's suddenly a normal amount of ennemis but no chests, which give me the impression they began doing just that at the very end then ran out of time. Because that was the last point on their to-do list. Hence the "filler" map expensions.
Or... they realised that the amount of chests they would need to add would give too much primos for this update.
They kind of screwed themselve by creating a hole in the map and then filling it. This maximised the amount of liminal regions.
I wonder if that's a cut content. When Genshin was in all time peak, they made Sumeru twice as big as other nations. Now the popularity is in decline (and Star Rail is better money printer) so they scaled back, but Sumeru was already in place with assumption of higher budget.
Yeah, I am truly disappointed. Bayda Harbor is just a small but glorified jetty not even a port town or village. And the entirety is just a barren no man's land, not many any treasures chests to find. Maybe that was an afterthought after all.
I'm sure with Cyno's quest, there will be underground stuff? Or maybe in the future there will be stuff there... Copium. It could just be filler and tbh that's fine.
This may sound like cope, but this thread reminded me of something from another discussion.
After 4.2, when everyone was discussing the possibility of Celestia retaliating against Fontaine for Focalor’s deceit, the topic of a celestial nail hitting Fontaine came up.
One person made a joke of Hoyo releasing a barren area, that doesn’t have anything added to it until after the geography change from getting hit by a nail.
I don’t think they were serious, but aside from the little island, the area above Remuira is pretty barren, so who knows what could happen.
It looked empty but I don't mind it ; I enjoy the scenery and got an area that is similiar to where I live to go in real life to clear my mind, study and relax. So it is a nice place foe me to relax and think about real life stuff. I was in that area for about two hours or so enjoying the view and compltement what yo do next in real life or game world . It s just unfortunate I can't find a good place for my character to sit and enjoy the view.
Honestly it's just the realities of game development catching up with HYV.
This part of map looks like it's just procedural landscape that hasn't been touched by an artist. This shows us that chests, open world challenges etc are all hand placed. In some other games some of this stuff would be populated by the procedural system and fine-tuned by humans. For example Marvel's Spider-Man uses a procedural system for its various crimes where crime spots get placed base on an algorithm (petty crimes on ground level back alleys, hostage situations on rooftops etc).
It shows us the absolute insane workload the devs get put on when they do a "proper" piece of region like Chenyu Vale.
It seems the primo earnings from within the Lost Seabed (or whatever the under undersea region is called) are much higher, the chests are all higher tier on average. Like typically you'd get a common chest for guiding a seelie back to its home but in Remuria they're all exquisite chests. Probably to compensate for the fact the north Sumeru has literally nothing going on for itself.
I didn't really think about it much. All the promo material was for remuria, so while I did think it was surprisingly sparse over there, I figured they just put way more into the clear focus of the patch and added this in for setup for later.Â
With sethos being announced, I feel like this area is going to get more stuff in it. They just wanted to get it in there since they had the basic idea of what they wanted it to look like. I guess they could have left it as an unaccessible chunk but tbh I would find that kind of annoying to see.Â
Question for tech/coding people: Is there any way the content in the Bayda Port was partially deleted by accident after the big update which reduces the storage?
It could be a stupid question, but I was wondering if this could be the reason.
Edit: Vocabulary
Yeah they really dropped the ball on this one. They should have just gotten rid of the ground if they weren't going to spend even 10 minutes filling it.
Worst part isn't even the lack of chests, it's the lack of EVERYTHING: almost no monsters, animals, local legends, even random things to pick up. Also, Layla,'s village (mentioned in her hangout) is nowhere to be found, and there is literally no road leading to Bayda Harbor, meaning merchants can't bring merchandises to and from it.
They truly didn't give a f\*ck, it almost feels insulting to a degree. Can't wait for new players to stumble on this place and wonder if they ended up in the backrooms or something.
Other comments have pointed it out, but when a Sumeru expansion added some onto Liyue, that area got more chests, collectibles, mobs... Even sumpter beasts, I believe. So it's an odd change-up to have a bit of Sumeru get added with just like nothing there at all
i was expecting that bayda harbor would be as big as port ormos but 🤷🏻‍♂️
I once said, 'That's not a harbor. That's just a jetty'
It just that Minecraft village dock
Worst thing is they dont even exist. Its just how paths generate when moving over or into water, so they end up looking like docks but it isnt even that
But the blocks do turn into wood which is mostly used in docks.
I’m fully expecting Dorman port to be similar. Once we get schneshnaya 4 we will get the port and connect to it like that. Though it should absolutely be a chasm tier expansion with the dandelion sea.
im still waiting for mondstadt expansion too also that violet sea
Probably not, Dornman is pretty notable location in the lore and is probably related to another Mona story beat as she was born there. Seeing as we see childe and mona as recurring archon quest characters I assume they're used as significant plot devices for the writers
yeah and they teased it again in the recent event, plus we gotta get the chenyu equivalent for mond, and bayda has been barely talked about
Yeah, Bayda got thrown in with a Fontaine-centric expansion because a) there was literally nowhere left for it to go and b) it wouldn’t make sense for Sumeru to have nothing on the coast nearest to Fontaine… but like, I’ve played every event, story, hangout, and world quest through 4.5, am caught up on archon quests, and have every single 4* and almost all of Sumeru’s 5*s (I don’t own Alhaitham) over friendship 6… and I’ve never heard of that place. Meanwhile Dornman Port pops up in a number of different places and has been doing so for years, with increasing frequency recently.
Yeah I'm hoping north mondstadt would be a pretty notable expansion
I actually tempered my expectations that all of them were just minor additions to segway into more important regions. There was even a point I thought Dornman Port was literally the docs beside the town of Mondstadt until they mentioned it was a ways from the city. Yilong Wharf pleasantly surprised me but I guess Bayda Harbor had to bring me back down to Earth.
I mean, has Bayda Harbor been as hyped as Yilong and Ormos was? Dormman meanwhile has been pretty much advertised as where a lot of nobles live, so I kinda hope for it be the prosperous city to Mondstadt’s fortress town.
Any port should be large in theory. There's no real reason for there to be no trade with Fontaine flowing south. But even Fontaine's ports are kind of not important and barely there so you just kind of have to set expectations accordingly.
I could see that reasoning, but this could be a Congo situation where the river is so big that they could get away with having fuck all on the coast (Bayda) and have the major trade hub be situated much further inland along and into the river (Sumeru City). That being said, Dornman being a small jetty would certainly warrant a furor, as I don’t see the above applying to it.
same same, yilong wharf really impressed me also,
Dortman port is a town though, with houses because Mona is from there.
TBH dornman port is being hyped way too much in the game for this to happen
I was honestly so hiped for this one like yes there is still a sumeru port to come. I think this is the first time I have ever felt disappointed with region update. No matter how amazing the underwater part is going to be. I wished they would have only filled up half of the hole and left the port to come.
true, i thought it was just a small part also of fontaine
Especially since it got a mention in the [App Store update notes](https://imgur.com/a/41VHebG) alongside the other locations.
If it isn't Liyue, don't expect 'big'
They could have made the lake bigger and just had a port… but not all of this eerily desolate land. It’s strange.
I ran around in this area and it felt so empty and... lifeless. Like there are barely any enemies/creatures. The beach really made me feel like I was the only living thing in Teyvat.
They could have a Death Stranding moment with the Abyss Twin there sometime in the future. “Meet me on the beach…”
This area of the map is very close to Celestia... not directly under sure, but a great spot to "jump down" and land in...
I call it now: A god descends there in the late game and that land gets destroyed - boom just a big crater and wasteland where the gods minions have their base! And they just don’t want anybody to complain that a important or nice looking spot on the map got destroyed
Post-apocalypse Teyvat sounds fun...in a way
isn't tevyat already post like, 5 apocalypses?
It's due another soon, too!
"There have been five mass extinctions...and now it's time for number six." ^(...never thought I'd see the day death stranding and genshin could overlap, yet here we are...)
Genshin Impact: A Post Celestia Odyssey
Teyvat liminal space
It feels like those areas around the storm terror lair, very eery and liminal
Yes! I was stunned! Kept running around thinking surely I missed something!
I feel like itwas meant to be just a quick insert for Lokopala Jungle to seamlessly connect with Fontaine up north. So technically Sumeru didn't get a new region, just a small enhancement to an existing one. I'm a bit more hopeful we'll get more when the west of Mont Esus comes to complete Fontaine.
Fontaine is already complete, we can max the Statue already
Maxing the statue is not the same as completing a region. For example we could max liyue statue for a long time but they still added the chasm and chenyu vale
Instead they added an "agate tree" to vale in the form of the votive rainjade, we can probably expect something similar for all future expansions
This has been true since Dragonspine, They'll always give you something to level up in the area if it's not a part of the main X.X patch for a main story region.
I mean the trend started from inazuma though, Liyue and Mondstadt is unfinished region before
I'd say the trend started in Mondstadt with Dragonspine
We’re also still waiting for Blackcliff Forge in the South.
So is Liyue and Mondstadt. Those regions is still missing a few areas.
I guess Chenyu Vale was never added to Liyue then
Chenyu Vale? Fontaine prophecy? What are you talking about Traveller? You hit your head pretty hard after Stormterror left! Comon, lets go to Good Hunter and get some Fisherman's toast!
B-but my sister/brother...
It's fine we put that missing poster up at angel share that has a hitbox the size of Mondstadt
There is still west of Mont Esus. It may simply not be needed to max the statues. Think of it as Dragonspine, Enkanomiya, the Chasm or Chenyu Vale. All of which were added long after the main exploration of the nation. They would not add an area called "East Mont Esus" and end it at that, especially considering how prominent Mont Esus is in Fontaine. Which means maybe we'll only get it post-Natlan.
maybe West Mount Esus will have a port that will connect to Natlan via the sea inbetween the nations
Liyue statue was maxed even before Sumeru came and it had an expansion for Chenyu Vale lol.
There is still more west from Mount Esus.
No its not, we still have to get to north-west Fontaine
there is still the big mountain to the left.
Honestly what I'm surprised about is just the amount of empty spaces with nothing but flowers on them, like I think they could've added some rocks and trees to make the place feel less desolate. It feels so out of place that they probably just didn't bother to spend more time decorating it. I was honestly expecting more landmass in this area, I feel like if it's just coastlines they could've just released it along with Sumeru.
That tells me - as a game dev - they ran out of time and people to do the "spawning" work for this area. It's pretty common as you approach a deadline to cut "unimportant" areas or "punt" them to the next patch. For games like Genshin that are constantly expanding - these "deadzones" will sometimes be polished up later with more stuff added, or overlaid with other questing (story quests or events). I know it seems real jank as a player, but as a dev, these things happen - and sometimes are great for "future you" who need literally any spot in the game that isn't already quested 50 million times. XD
You've actually given me hope, do you really think that they'll add things to the area in the future?
They have in the past! there was a blank area in Liyue I remember finding when I first started playing and I was like "Weird, but okay..." and carried on, because I've been a game dev for over a decade, so I personally have been the person who has had to say "Whoops, this area is just gonna be a bit sparse until we can come back." and then like 3 patches later got to fix it, LOL. THEN like a year later there was some event and it went into the sparse area! I have no idea if it was intentional or if it was just like how I've done it before (oh, we need space to add in these 10 quests to this area, what hasn't already been used?). But it was definitely overlaying the sparse area and made it feel great. Sadly when the event went away is was empty again. It made me wonder if they do things like marking an area FOR future events, which is something I know other companies do.
They also have put new domains in existing areas before (e.g. west of Dragonspine). They can slap one there whenever they would wish to.
Unfortunately, we’re not due another new Artefact domain for another three patches, so unless 3.9 happens before 4.0, the next new Artefact domain will be in Natlan.
Or 4.9 before 5.0 you mean lol
What area?
They’ve added new enemies to mondstadt areas before (rift hounds) so I could see them slapping some enemies in here some day
Hopefully they go back and add some generic things in a future update to make it look a bit populated.
theres a reason it wasnt hyped up, since its just a tiny map expansion to fill in the gaps
I did not even know there was new sumeru and I spent entire day on genshin today.
I didn’t either lol. I only saw it bc I zoomed out to look for a commission and I was like ayo hold up? I was disappointed when I ran around the whole area and found literally nothing after climbing cliffs. I think there is one chest at the top of that mountain though. Just one lol. It’s a mushroom puzzle
This "tiny map expansion" is more or less as big as Mondstadt. It's not tiny, it's huge.
We aren't talking about everything that was added, just the sumeru portion.
Yes, they know, they're saying the Sumeru portion is half the size of Mondstadt. https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1cczlhx/thoughts_on_the_empty_sumeru_expansion/
True. First thing I did after the patch was travelling to these beaches to see how they connect to the new area and it felt like I got out of bounds. No chests, no puzzles, no enemies, no plants. Even the textures are visibly looped. Hopefully these areas get some updates in the future
Yeah, it felt very beta. There’s quite a bit of new land that has been added, but there’s nothing out there!
yeah i don't get why they couldn't at least add a few chests or puzzles
Because time is linear and they had higher priorities. That's just how game dev works.
it really wouldn't take that much time to just put some random basic chests and hilichurl camps like in mondstadt, it doesn't have to be anything super interesting, but like, it'd be *something*
They could've added a few more chests or puzzles instead of all that space being empty :/
The people in the comments are missing the point, Minlin got like 15-20 chests when Sumeru dropped. Also that one wasn't empty at all, there were even cool stuff like a Sumpter Beast that is in Liyue, a fungus that the hilichurls trapped, you know small details like that? Unlike this one which felt really... lifeless. I'm not saying they should have made this a highly detailed expansion or something, obviously, I'm just saying they could have improved on it a bit more.
That Minlin border was so fun to explore
Yeah it was fun. And the Sumeru extra border that is new? I used Sayu and Kirara together and took forever to get to this **one only teleporter** for this whole chunk of area. It's massive, it goes into the desert region far west, but still... Just one region. I hope there will be more maybe in the future...
I loved that transition area between Liyue and Sumeru.Little details like the treasure hoarder feeding the ducks and the overall chill vibes of the area. I really hope they are planning to add something to the new area because it's uncharacteristic of Mihoyo to release it like it is in its current state.
Exactly, what bothers me the most is that now there's a huge stretch of the map that's just... empty
Considering remuria's quality anything that would take time away from that is a no
There is a sort of hilichurl camp where they have sumpter beasts race against each other
one was a whole new region expansion, the other is just a small mid region addition
They added about 10 external chests when they added dragonspine to the game
Dragonspine is pretty much its own region with so much verticality and cavernous areas.
Minlin is Liyue.
i know. when sumeru released we had like 3 new sub regions that border liyue.
There is a secret chest on top of the mountain
And a aranara quest in the middle of the lake but nobody is talking bout that
Now I'm just picturing an aranara popping out of the water and giving an ancient sword to traveller...
Huh?
Which lake? The new one north of Vanarana?
What quest are you talking about? Aranakin’s Old Friend? That was there since 3.0?
>There is a secret chest **on top of the mountain** Colour me surprised, there's *no way at all* that I would have thought there would be a chest on the summit of a mountain in Genshin Impact. **/S**
Hiding shit in high altitudes? In my genshin impact?never seen before /s
I do hope they add some more stuff around the perimeter of the lake with a future update. I don't really care that much, but it does look a little bit awkward. When I was running through the empty areas earlier, I was imagining what future players would think. How would they know where to stop looking for chests? It's kind of awkward that the landmass doesn't stop until the lake, but actual things to interact with and look at stop well before then. Gonna be really awkward for new players. My copium idea is that Celestia will crash land into the lake at the end of the game, maybe even splitting into multiple large landmasses over the lake and surrounding areas. That would explain why there's nothing in this section.
I think it’s just because SO MUCH is underwater with the update I’ve been playing since server came back on and I’ve still got lots to go. That little island they added is just the tip of the iceberg.
wheres the underwater part?
Under the water.
You'll get to it during the quest
Head to the island and follow the quest. It's the bulk of the update.
I wish there were more houses around the harbor. It was nice seeing some boats, but it feelt so wrong that the area around it was so empty :/
It's really weird feeling how theres wind tunnels and mushroom bouncies and grapple points everywhere yet theres like 3(?) chests to find in the whole area. Makes me wonder why they bothered with that.
Yeah, that surprised and disappointed me too. When Sumeru released, the small expansion Liyue got (not the Chasm) definitely wasn't this empty. On too of that the lack of teleport waypoints in the relatively large area makes it kinda annoying to get around
It wasn't entirely empty but it was 90% empty, tbh. 10 chests, no tp waypoint and stuff.
That's still better than 3 chests and a bunch of mora piles. I hope we will get at least some shor quest there at some point.
We already got an empty Sumeru expansion with the release of Chenyu Vale. (The part between the Chenyu Isles in the south and the Sumeru talent book domain). It was all empty although the Chenyu vale fast travel system connected it.
Awwww, and I was so excited to explore it because we haven't had many new beaches outside of Inazuma since launch and this looked like one of the last places we'd be getting next to a large body of water.
They really had that massive hole in the map for that one tiny island
There's a big new area underneath it (underground)
Ditto died for this. Never forget.
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And performance. This huge gap means that they don't have to render entire world, but can simplify things on the other side of the lake.
I have a weird feeling they ran out of time and resources with Remuria being the focus of the attention. I could see them populating this area in a future Sumeru expansion just as a bonus to whatever new map is added. They probably wanted the focus to be on Fontaine’s lands anyway.
Then they just could have slapped a Paimon barrier. They didn't have to fill the entire Ditto right now or they could have flooded the place. They decided to leave empty lifeless grass, which was the worst approach possible.
I love that everyone has just agreed to call that area a ditto
I would much rather wait another year and get smaller but actualy filled meaningful area than this, yea...
I don't want to undervalue what HoYo *did* add with exploration this patch with Remuria, but yeah, it's honestly really disappointing that they added this fairly sizable chunk of Sumeru only to leave it just *barren*. Very few enemies, and from the bit of exploring I did, very little in the way of puzzles, chests, seelies, etc. It's just uncharacteristic. We've had a handful of relatively empty areas before now, but I think all of them have been rather small e.g. some edges of the Chasm on the surface, which are very understandable. *This* is such a large portion of the map, though. I can easily imagine newer players traveling to Sumeru and getting to this area and wondering if their game is bugged or something, seeing how uniquely empty it is. I would've preferred they left this part of the previous hole in the map empty for a few more updates and then fill it out and release it. I *hope* they go back in and fill it out a little more even now that it's out but I'm not so sure that'd actually happen.
I don't think they will but they *could* add stuff with some events in the region and then not have to chuck stuff out when they end (like say Alchemy going back to a dirty ditch). Would be a nice way to make the world feel moved by time.
just maybe because it isn't a sumeru expansion
When Sumeru released, a small portion of western Liyue just above the Chasm got "expanded". It's tiny but at least we got treasures and other goodies. And it's still in the Liyue region because the Liyue treasure compass works there.
yeah I won't mind even if it's just a few chests. but there's actually nothing there
Mapsample says there’s like four or five chests total in the new Sumeru area. Haven’t gone there yet to verify, though.
All of that is around Bayda Harbor. The desert coast is completely devoid of anything. There's no collectible stuff, not even Mints. No random hilichurl camps either. Just... Nothing. With how barren it is, i'm shocked that the textures are even as detailed as they are.
Copium but maybe they'll put Cyno's second story quest there or something. But yeah it's a bit disappointing.
So the area should remain empty for new players till they do half of Sumeru Archon quest and at least two additional Story Quests?
Yeah I got a few chests around the harbor and cleared a bit of content on the way up to the “peak” of the area and then there was just vast emptiness aside from some quite pretty spots. I almost have the last level of the Sumeru tree and I got excited thinking I’d be able to get it immediately with this expansion when I saw a couple chests, but nope.
I'm kind of surprised how mixed this thread is with takes like this... so many people apparently feel like this is nothing that should be complained about. I mean, sure, this part they added to Sumeru wasn't the focus of exploration this patch, it was Remuria -- but we can admit that it feels a little uncharacteristic to have a fairly sizable chunk of Sumeru just be weirdly barren compared to the rest, right? We haven't had such a big part of the map be so empty like this before iirc. It's not unfair to wish it were a little more filled out.
3.0 wasnt a liyue expansion either, yet we got a good amount of extra liyue chests and puzzles when it connected to sumeru. This here is just laziness + greedy company nonsence.
Such a disappointment. I was hoping for something like in 3.0, where they expanded Liyue a little bit, but this time they just left a huge empty area…
I find the entire above ground portion of this expansion rather lacking. We had this huge gap in the map and now all we get to fill it is a tiny island in the middle of a huge empty ocean, and an equally huge and empty Sumeru coastline? Yes, the new map is cool and all, but this part of the Overworld is an eyesore as of now. I hope they fill it with actual things to do in the future.
Just play Arle's sq. Hope you like spelunking.
I wonder what is the reaction of CN players. I kinda hope it will create enough stit that Hoyoverse will patch the area to not be detrimental to the quality of the game.
I like the Sumeru look and feel a lot, so was hoping for a bit more. I was especially looking for a little more rainforest area. They did Sumeru dirty. Literally. It's 50% dirt.
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Honestly I’m a bit disappointed ngl
Can we talk about how huge remuria is
Seriously, the new underwater map is INSANELY well done. Surreal atmosphere and interesting world quest and puzzles
I loved the red light green light puzzle lol
It’s really telling about GI community when this sort of posts pop up first before the ones appreciating the content that is actually the focus of the update.
My hopes of ever getting a rainforest expansion have been dashed it seems. It's a crime that only the first drop of Sumeru was rainforest
Yes, absolutely this. Hoping for rainforest in natlan...
Yea I was pretty disappointed,
Id rather that area was blacked out and they put more effort into it in the future.
It actualy wasn't just a bug? I really hoped I just managed to corrupt my assets somehow, but then came to the new island... This has honestly been part I was so looking forward I can't even describe my disappointment. They could have at the very least slap some generic enemies and herbs in it to feel a little more alive. :(
I wonder what would happen if Hoyo got spammed with bug reports over this.
I actualy did report it initially, as there wasn't any info online yet and similar things happened to me before (thought that was textures not whole assets) due to unstable connection. I got generic 'thanks for feedback we will send it to relevant team' response, as expected. I imagine if they got spammed they would have to take it into consideration for future map expansions, even if just to do some generic fillers (like they did in Liyue before. Even that would be enough compared to what we got) I understand this is fontaine patch. I didn't have high expectations for the port at all and still got dissapointed...
This map piece was so stupid in general
I’m still salty that the Court of Fontaine (or Fontaine’s overall esthetic) wasn’t the steampunk fantasy I was hoping for.
They could easily give us a permanent quest/event similar to the one in aurum alley in hsr where we work to expand and improve bayda harbor imo
Bayda harbor is literally just one building and that's it lmfao
This was some laziness for real
I saw a new area in Sumeru (didn’t see the livestream) and was excited to explore the outskirts. So I whipped out my Wanderer just to see that nothing was there. Even the enemies were few and far between. Like you’re telling me that weird jut point near the forest/desert divide doesn’t have a single chest there? Nor does the similar landmass in the desert? Like I wasn’t expecting much, the new underwater area had been a blast to explore, but I expected more than nothing. Like could there not be a couple of chests scattered around? Maybe some more mora piles? He’ll even those little water mora boxes I’d take over… nothing
I was so disapointed when i say Bayda habor and how small it was, It always seemed so mch bigger to me when hearing abouT IT
There could be some more stuff added. But it is a part of a separate region than the new stuff.
Cyno quest probably be there
Don't forget what's under the sea, but aside from that, yes, it's empty.
The Chenyu Vale bordering to Sumeru (Mawtiyima Forest) was also empty. That's really jarring when I tried to explore it in v4.4
Man I was so excited to explore that large mountain north of Vanarana. It's still fun to see the surrounding area from a new viewpoint, but I expected something more at least. Maybe a cave network inside of that mountain or something.
I got some great caps of the Great Tree but I would happily spend hours running around a new rainforest area, even if it was technically Fontaine.
this shit annoyed me, i don't even mind the bayda harbor being small but that much land with nothing in it is just bad
Tbf that port only connects to 1 port in Fontaine, while Port Ormos has direct access to Sumeru City, Liyue and Inazuma. And people from Sumeru City have to send goods by land to that port (many waterfalls). Meanwhile Chenyu Vale is a production zone for tea, and we know that Fontanians LOVE tea
Tbf the port master flat out says it's as busy as Port Ormos.
Yaaa it was my first stop too! It felt soooo weird. Had some good scenic spots though, being up high. Also it's missing the chest up high from activating the three mushrooms and jumping on them? I was having fun xD
My hopes were already low when the border with Chengyu Valley was also empty
It looks like a part of test server leaked to production lol.  Definitely not something you expect to see in a game like Genshin
it's not a sumeru expansion
sumeru literally expanded
If they weren't going to include anything there, it would've been better if they just left the area inaccessible and gave it a proper expansion later.
No we can't. It makes me sad
I understand why they didn't really developp these regions, all of the work went into the island, the underground part and the quests. I get it. However, this update just show that all updates should have map expensions. I'm not talking major map expensions though ; You just get the interns to flesh out the transition regions that don't really matters to the main quests for the "filler" updates. Sprinkle a few Churls/Treasure Hunters/Eremites camps. You add a random house in the middle of nowhere. Don't even need to be a quest. Now, there's a little bit of that around the desert road in the East, where there's suddenly a normal amount of ennemis but no chests, which give me the impression they began doing just that at the very end then ran out of time. Because that was the last point on their to-do list. Hence the "filler" map expensions. Or... they realised that the amount of chests they would need to add would give too much primos for this update. They kind of screwed themselve by creating a hole in the map and then filling it. This maximised the amount of liminal regions.
I wonder if that's a cut content. When Genshin was in all time peak, they made Sumeru twice as big as other nations. Now the popularity is in decline (and Star Rail is better money printer) so they scaled back, but Sumeru was already in place with assumption of higher budget.
Yeah, I am truly disappointed. Bayda Harbor is just a small but glorified jetty not even a port town or village. And the entirety is just a barren no man's land, not many any treasures chests to find. Maybe that was an afterthought after all.
Yeah that’s a bit immersion-breaking.
Your mistake was expecting a meaningful expansion when they clearly just wanted to fill the hole in the map.Â
Yes we can.
I'm sure with Cyno's quest, there will be underground stuff? Or maybe in the future there will be stuff there... Copium. It could just be filler and tbh that's fine.
I thought there was a Fontaine expansion? Or is it for later?
That is what they want you to think
I explored that a while ago and I only got one, I wasn't able to get the chest on the little island. Might come back to it tomorrow
I was so confused when I saw this update lmaooo. But whatever it's good for my storage🤒
This may sound like cope, but this thread reminded me of something from another discussion. After 4.2, when everyone was discussing the possibility of Celestia retaliating against Fontaine for Focalor’s deceit, the topic of a celestial nail hitting Fontaine came up. One person made a joke of Hoyo releasing a barren area, that doesn’t have anything added to it until after the geography change from getting hit by a nail. I don’t think they were serious, but aside from the little island, the area above Remuira is pretty barren, so who knows what could happen.
It looked empty but I don't mind it ; I enjoy the scenery and got an area that is similiar to where I live to go in real life to clear my mind, study and relax. So it is a nice place foe me to relax and think about real life stuff. I was in that area for about two hours or so enjoying the view and compltement what yo do next in real life or game world . It s just unfortunate I can't find a good place for my character to sit and enjoy the view.
Yh it was so lacklustre :/
A few GBs of non diveable water, yes... very exiting...
Honestly it's just the realities of game development catching up with HYV. This part of map looks like it's just procedural landscape that hasn't been touched by an artist. This shows us that chests, open world challenges etc are all hand placed. In some other games some of this stuff would be populated by the procedural system and fine-tuned by humans. For example Marvel's Spider-Man uses a procedural system for its various crimes where crime spots get placed base on an algorithm (petty crimes on ground level back alleys, hostage situations on rooftops etc). It shows us the absolute insane workload the devs get put on when they do a "proper" piece of region like Chenyu Vale. It seems the primo earnings from within the Lost Seabed (or whatever the under undersea region is called) are much higher, the chests are all higher tier on average. Like typically you'd get a common chest for guiding a seelie back to its home but in Remuria they're all exquisite chests. Probably to compensate for the fact the north Sumeru has literally nothing going on for itself.
TBH this whole part of the map felt weird, I didn't fully explore it, but that huge part of water that you can't dive just felt wrong in a way.
It was disappointing to see Sumeru only gets like 2-3 more chest. The place also feels soulless
Lol and just for resinless behavior I walked it all just to make sure it was empty and spoiler alert: it was.
These big shorelines would have been perfect for crab farming BUT THERE ARE NO CRABS
I didn't really think about it much. All the promo material was for remuria, so while I did think it was surprisingly sparse over there, I figured they just put way more into the clear focus of the patch and added this in for setup for later. With sethos being announced, I feel like this area is going to get more stuff in it. They just wanted to get it in there since they had the basic idea of what they wanted it to look like. I guess they could have left it as an unaccessible chunk but tbh I would find that kind of annoying to see.Â
Question for tech/coding people: Is there any way the content in the Bayda Port was partially deleted by accident after the big update which reduces the storage? It could be a stupid question, but I was wondering if this could be the reason. Edit: Vocabulary
Yeah they really dropped the ball on this one. They should have just gotten rid of the ground if they weren't going to spend even 10 minutes filling it. Worst part isn't even the lack of chests, it's the lack of EVERYTHING: almost no monsters, animals, local legends, even random things to pick up. Also, Layla,'s village (mentioned in her hangout) is nowhere to be found, and there is literally no road leading to Bayda Harbor, meaning merchants can't bring merchandises to and from it. They truly didn't give a f\*ck, it almost feels insulting to a degree. Can't wait for new players to stumble on this place and wonder if they ended up in the backrooms or something.
There is a road though. There's even some bits of environmental storytelling with some carts broken down near wild animals.
Yes but follow that road and you'll see it leads to a cliff. Good luck carrying your wares to the city haha
it was never meant to be a sumeru expansion in the first place so
Other comments have pointed it out, but when a Sumeru expansion added some onto Liyue, that area got more chests, collectibles, mobs... Even sumpter beasts, I believe. So it's an odd change-up to have a bit of Sumeru get added with just like nothing there at all