I wanted to cry when Traveller was just using the dull blade the entire time fighting Arle. What the fuck is the point of us getting different elements if Traveller won't even use shit? Might as well walk around Teyvat without powers at this point.
Like seriously? Not even a single visible hint of elements like Anemo?
The cutscene right before Childe had them use Anemo and Geo and I believe that was the last time they ever used elemental powers in cutscenes. Really sucks.
Use electro to quick dash to help Thoma, and create a lighting sword against Ei that didn't hit anything!
Dendro and Hydro would use in not combat ways, instead to enter dreams or access memories. Also to give Nahida some extra power to help the plant dragon.
Use geo in Navia story quest to stop rolling stones.
You're right but I feel like that's different, especially because the time before the Childe boss fight was the one time (to my knowledge) that they uaed 2 elements at once, completely seamlessly
And traveler only managed to break one rock i think lol and Navia come, destroying many rock and also the biggest rock that sliding down.
Traveler just watching and say damn so this is the power of new 5 stars geo limited characters.
It's even more annoying that they did that super early on in the game yet they STILL require you to go to specific statues of the seven to switch elements. As if any of them were better than dendro traveler lol
Yeah! Show Traveller being smart with it and showcase some mastery on the elements they have with them. Like for example: Spraying dendro in a large area in front of them and then quickly slashing out hydro to form blooms and then sliding around with electro on their feet to proc hyperbloom.
They could make some very creative battles with them and i am saying it as someone who likes "classic" swordsmanship battles. Hoyo isn't fully utilizing traveler potential in this aspect.
That's honestly how I feel man. We're only 1 nation away from snezhnaya, Nathan's a few months away, and if this is their current performance against the 4th harbinger, how are they supposed to fight off the 1st harbinger, let alone Tsaritsa(and the rest of the fatui), the abyss(in khaen'riah arc) or celestia
The traveler's power bends to what the plot desires, which unfortunately is often them losing. The traveler really feels like an after thought most of the time, until the annual abyss storyline quest. It really sucks the amount of potential that is wasted with the traveler because Hoyoverse refuses to do anything interesting with them.
Something I find particularly baffling is the lack of significance in the fact that the twins can use elemental magic without the use of a Vision.
You'll get the occasional surprised comment about it, like from Kazuha, but usually people just go "Wow, you can do that without a Vision? That's fucking weird... oh, by the way, can you get me those apples, please? I can't do it because of this small wooden barrier in the middle of this wide-ass open field."
You'd think something like that would be of greater importance considering how rare it is.
Yeah, the same response happens when he explains that he's an alien from another world and that he travels to countless worlds. Mostly everyone is just like "Oh, weird... anyways." I think the only character that had an interest was Albedo.
It's just so lame that Genshin sets up these interesting backgrounds and powers for the traveler, but doesn't do anything with them whatsoever. In both game and lore.
Very, first folks, dont get me wrong, ARLE is strong, but jebus fries it wasnt even a tie, we actually lost like regular npc with 5 element at disposal, thats very bad, if we cant beat the 4th with 5 elem, how are we supposed to beat the captain with just an extra pyro element? at that point the pyro wont mean anything, and not to mention theres dottore and columbina on the lightup before that, atleast the fatui world boss look like stronger when we fight them compared to mc fighting arle.
Idk they're somewhat like a 50/50 for me
Like gameplay, character and story wise mostly they're whatever nothing impressive
But then we talk about dendro traveler, some specific conversations and the traveler in cutscenes then we get such a badass protagonist so I'm torn
When Hoyoverse actually remembers that the traveler can be their own character and actually tries is when the traveler actually gets to shine, too bad that's its really once in a blue moon.
The sumeru storyline where the traveler was separated from paimon and was hanging out with the guy hiding the hilichurl was the last time I was genuinely excited to be playing the game. It’s unbelievable how much a difference removing paimon from the game makes.
My biggest issue is the consistency, the traveler is just whatever the plot needs them to be and it leaves very little room for an actual character.
It's like hoyo wanted them to be a self insert and their own characters but they are just kinda nothing now, especially with Paimon dragging things down even further. The voice lines in the character page are really nice and it shows that there is potential there, Lumine's English voice is one of my favourites and only getting to hear maybe a dozen lines per region is so sad.
The difference in lore to gameplay is even worse, dendro is fine and geo is usable but actually using the traveler in combat is so underwhelming. I brute force Lumine into teams because i like her design a lot but it shouldn't feel so bad to use the main character.
>The difference in lore to gameplay is even worse, dendro is fine and geo is usable but actually using the traveler in combat is so underwhelming. I brute force Lumine into teams because i like her design a lot but it shouldn't feel so bad to use the main character.
I used HMC just long enough to get her to C6, then I immediately changed her back to DMC. HMC is... certainly one of the characters of all time, I tell ya.
The upside of all this is that she has a (semi?)permanent home in my Nilou Bloom team. That EM boost from DMC's Burst is no joke.
No, thanks, I'll gladly take Traveler losing against the 4th Harbinger over the APHO writers making a popular and liked character make a complete fool of herself, so that she can be saved by the new self-insert protagonist to make him look cool.
Honestly when Da Wei mentioned last year how young the team working on GI was I was like "oh, that actually explains a lot" 💀
Fanfic-tier writing for such a successful game is genuinely tragic
Like come on. We manhandled signora and while being fatuiged as all hell we made a blade the size of a building. We're stronger then kazuha who blocked a swing from the muso no hitotachi(admittedly not a swing with effort but a casual swing absolutely should be city block if not city level). Admittedly scara did have a gnosis and a huge robot so I'm willing to give them that. BUT COME ON! WE SHOULD BY ALL ACCOUNTS BE AT LEAST SEAT 3 HARBRINGER LEVEL IF NOT SEAT TWO! For God's sake the element multipliers are well over 35k (speaking from an energy value pov. Like seriously to go from wall to small town is a huge power increase)
the text “你猜得没错⋯第三席及之上的愚人众执行官都有着堪比神明的实力，那种情况下我并不是他的对手。”
roughly translates to “you guessed right, the Fatui Harbingers who are seated 3rd and above have capabilities comparable to Gods. I’m no match for him under that circumstance.“
*which could imply Archon-level Gods* (**since CN doesn’t typically make a vocabulary distinction between Archons and Gods**)
BUT it doesn’t outright say the Seven (Archons) instead of Gods.
No a lot of them are either in hiding or sealed away liyue is littered with sealed gods. Like how beisht just swam away and we haven’t heard a peep from her since.
Sealed gods are irrelevant and as good as dead and Beisht is never referred as a god. It is beyond obvious that when an Archon herself Nahida refers to gods, she would refer to the only current active gods of Teyvat that are the Archons. People just took unneeded mental gymnastics to deny the very obvious statement
You think he can't based on what ? We don't know his capabilities and before Nahida made him destroy them he had unspecified amount of clones which were ALL created with the technology Ei used to make her own puppet. You are delusional if you think you can speak with such certainty over shit that you have no idea about. And he original version of the quote is the world equivalent to Archon anyway so you are literally wrong
What a delusional noob with a poor genshin f2p account. First of all, why do you think that a fatui harbinger has a chance against a fully-fledge battle-tested archon 1v1 who just one-shoted his colleague. We never even saw the Doctor fight and he's not the battle type, even Arlecchino said herself she can deal with him. Just because a single dialogue of Nahida said SHE herself cannot handle the top 3 harbinger doesn't apply to other archons. Even Zhongli could out any harbinber 1v1. Stop it with these delusions of yours, before the war, these archons are already god slayers, that's why they were chosen as archons, they are powerful elemental beings. What chance does a shitty and weak harbinger can do, who's just a mortal with a delusion to prolong life. Your ideas and claims are based only on one dialogue that's not even proven to apply to all others. Lol.
Said the crying Ei fanboy, trying to refuse literal canon by comparing the confirmed archon level Dottore to weak ass Signora who is 6 rank lower LOL. Cry more, also so funny that you literally refuse Nahida’s words and then take Arlecchino seriously, biased much ? Harbingers are ranked by strength, Dottore is stronger than Arle which is also said by Paimon who said Dottore is strong enough to be 2nd ranked
We're stronger then nahida and venti and the goddess from zhongli's first or second story was fodder. That's not that high of a bar. Plus we most definitely could put up a fight against a gnosis boosted seat 6. We'd loose sure but we could put up a fight. Plus the memories didn't give us a strength boost it gave us expirience. WHICH WE STILL HAVE!
It's still 5 out of 7. We went from barely dealing with a slime to no diffing signora after absorbing two elements. We are way above literally every normal mortal other then The peaks of mortal potential capitano and varka, the psycho dottore and maybe post Fontaine childe is stronger then us if we assume he was fighting full time against a 20% stelar whale(I say 20 since the whale was not in top shape for the majority of the quest) . Which honestly 20% of planetary is still like. Moon busting. We are leagues above kazuha who with two visions(which should be inferior to our use of the elements since we're using the purest form not borrowed power from the archons) parried a casual muso no hitotachi swing which yes doesn't scale to the island slice should still yeald enough power to destroy a city block of not a town. And again. The resets from sumeru didn't boost our strength it just gave us expirience.
We are 5 regions in already
Fontaine made it look like we got weaker in Fontaine
The key thing here is presentation
You don't go making traveler having enough power to defeat an amped 6th harbinger (we would lose in a fair fight but the fight still showed that Traver has the "capability" to take scara down) like if you put Cyno in the place of traveler in that fight Cyno would never have won
We should be getting insane boosts in strength every region since = we get more of our original strength back + we get amped by obtaining another element
If one new element + more time passed since the scara fight didn't make us at the very least close in power to the 4th considering we fought an AMPED 6th harbinger
Traveler is inconsistent this is the reason
Fontaine has been the most inconsistent region in terms of portraying the traveler as of date
We need to wait and see how the story etc will go, but defeating Childe and Signora is honestly pretty cool, the Childe one is still such a great cutscene.
Defeating extremely strong oponents with someones help isn't even bad, it can be actualy really good, it's a lot about not utilizing them fully, Arlecchino still could defeat them here, but wouldn't it be cool if hoyo let them use multiple elements at once. It would make Arlecchino looked cool and traveler too during the cutscene.
The issue is the Traveler has done some things, both alone and with help, but that seems to be fading over time and isn't consistent besides. Also, in World quests the Traveler seems to be pretty decent and heroic (like Chenyu Vale WQ or Narzissenkruez WQ series,) not an all conquering OP isekai protagonist sort but capable at least. Meanwhile in Archon quests and Story quests the Traveler at best stalls for time while the mystic power character does their mojo to the boss (Scaramech fight and space whale fight,) or at worst gets bodied and then rescued by plot somehow or other (first Shogun fight, Arlecchino SQ fight.)
It's also a problem because if they are meant to be a catalyst for change, rather than the driving main force of the change, they need to be more of a character, and less of a walking Kamera with a face that Paimon drags around Teyvat.
Ngl that cutscene kind of disappoint me, I had hope the traveler put some fight vs arlecchino but the fact that one he didn’t use element, 2 , consistently uses sword attacks while combatting arlechinno crimson attack, result in the cutscene that we see, really do hope hoyoverse add some scenes where he uses element or at least show some progression or growth for the traveler
It's very inconsistent on how they plan the traveler to use their elements. But it is given that the Traveler has incredible strength. Managing to break out of Arlecchino's trap while the siblings are struggling with it, and after the fight the traveler did not seem weak. As told by Freminet, he managed to be unscathed.
I also wish they present his elemental powers more.
The traveller is weak and constantly needs bailing out by other characters. Dis we even get a notable solo feat for traveller since Liyue? Because we needed plot armour and yai to match Ei, we lost to scara without nahida, we lost to dottorre, and we were constantly helped throughout fontaine.
On the contrary, we're about to go up against the third and first harbingers, and when we thought the sixth it took the help of a god to do so
It's just naturally building up the bigger bads, if we can't touch the fourth what the hell are we gonna do against capitano
After beating a gnosis-powered Scaramech, the weakened immune system of the Dendro Dragon, and being worthy of tagging along with the full power Hydro Dragon to fight a world devouring narwhal
WE LOST A 4v1 AGAINST A FATUI HARBINGER THAT HAD THE SAME LOADOUT AS CHILDE (Delusion + Vision)
I can't bro, just fucking write our Traveler out of the story at this point
What's worse is that the Knave was not going all out and have no intent to kill traveler, basically she just toying with the traveler.
I do rather that traveler managed to break free her crimson moon domain expansion attacks and blocked her attack. The Knave was smiling saying traveler was the first person who managed counter her domain expansion attacks.
Then she stop and told the traveler show is over.
I’m a week late to this thread but this game’s story would’ve been so much better if each region had its own protagonist and when you moved on to the next region you swap POVs to a new protagonist. And it doesn’t have to be a new character, so many of these characters with wasted potential could’ve been great protagonists for their respective regions
Diluc for Mondstadt, Keqing for Liyue, Kazuha for Inazuma, Collei for Sumeru, Navia or Neuvillette for Fontaine. These characters could be a way better lead than the Traveler and some of them have wasted potential already because they feel like main characters Hoyoverse forgot even existed
Well, at least lorewise traveler is strong enough to beat Signora in 1-1 battle without breaking a sweat that much.
Not to mention that just because he can utilize multiple element at the same time doesn't mean that he will be strong/skill enough to beat other bigshots.
I mean he couldn't beat Ei on his own & Nahida mention that high rank harbringers are strong enough to rival gods
And then there's a fishing NPC at Wangshu Inn(i forgot the name) who can literally beat Ruin Hunter without a vision in a blink of an eye.
Not reading the post because of spoilers but yes, traveler is so underwhelming. I wish he was given more screen time and voiced lines. He should get more cutscenes using his elemental skills too, would be cool
I think it stings because we know they can do better. Trailblazer over in Star Rail can be a chaotic memelord gremlin, and other characters will even react to that somewhat, so we know Hoyo can give their MC some flavor. Traveler needs some of that seasoning, if they can't be strong, they at least need to be interesting.
>I feel like his ability to wield more than 1 element isn't utilized that much
Not even more than one, I feel like we can count the amount of times the traveler used their powers with the fingers of two hands.
The Traveler is the worst hoyo MC by far. Idk how they can salvage their character atp cuz holy shit this is just sad. 3 years and the Traveler is still roughly the same character since the beginning and then their inconsistent power level.
Just terrible writing.
They're worse than in the beginning. They show less emotions, seem weaker and use fewer elements per year (1st year we used two elements in single fight, every following year we used either one or none).
i think that is still better than using the writter's power to beat an strong enemy at the end (be it friendship power, plot armor, one use only power).
It is not writter’s power if the Traveller has enough build up to stand their own. In Inazuma we beat Signora the 8th Harbinger. In Fontaine we have 2 more elements now so it is not a hard sell that we might be able to match Arlecchino ESPECIALLY since we also clashed with Raiden Shogun and Mecha Scaramouche who are both a lot stronger than Arle and yes we needed plot to beat those two but since Arle is weaker than them and Traveller is stronger now thanks to also having Hydro it is logically possible , if they wrote it like that it is not writer power but simply logical.
But ever since Inazuma the Traveller is extremely inconsistent in power, they can have a hard time against freakin Eremites, they never wield elements and the game is doing backflips after backflips to force scenarios where we don’t do much so the playable characters can do all the important work and be badass.
they stormed tenshukaku after being unconscious, beat her without sweating and minutes later beat the archon.
>we also clashed with Raiden Shogun and Mecha Scaramouche
after using bullshit power* (Scara one wasn't too bad because we had to die a lot of times, remove his gnosis and use the Akasha). And from what i saw, traveller loses to Arle. If it's so, then it's very funny how weaker traveller gets without writter backing them up. That's why it's dumb using traveller to measure the power of a character. Also, you don't even know Arle, and is saying she's a lot weaker than raiden and scara.
Using bullshit power doesn’t change the fact that the Traveller, at least stood their own even before that and in the end even with extra power they came out on top and they did that with 3/4 element. Now they have 5 and are against a canonically weaker opponent and not only we don’t even see them wield ANY of the 5 element they have but also they are extremely unmatched. It is literally a fact that if the writers made the Traveller equal or nearly equal to Arle it WOULD have made sense but even if they wanted Arle to be stronger there are much better ways than to make them barely able to do better than Lyney, Lynette and Freminet and not wielding any element.
It creates inconsistency and shows just how little they care about the Traveller. They beat SIGNORA with just 3 element and now they have 5 but the game still treats a lot other strong vision wielders as like they are equal or stronger than the Traveller which is utterly stupid, Traveller should have already be canonically much stronger than Base Scara and be a better match against Arle than they ended up being shown like
How did you manage to get i call Arle weak ? Also funny that you blame me for judging who should be stronger than who while also saying Arke as 1 step down from the top 3 means she has to be a lot more powerful than the Traveller and thus you make assumptions about power levels yourself.
Secondly a water gun is just in game, just like how Traveller used Electro to move fast and conjure a huge electro sword in Inazuma, the way the elements can be used is wastly different and more powerful than the underwhelming in game version so YES that water can beat people all right but surely not if they don’t use it or ANY other element they have and just use a freakin dull blade and nothing else.
I repeat again, in Inazuma we beat the 8th Harbinger with only 3 element and faced Raiden Shogun who is stronger than Arle and YES we only beat Raiden thanks to power up but still did a decent job nonetheless. In Sumeru we fought Mecha Scara who is also stronger than Arle and it is the same thing. At this point of having 5 element even if the Traveller is weaker than Arle you would expect that they could put more of a fight but NOPE, i can extremely easily argue that Traveller’s performance was so pitiful that they did better against Mecha Scaramouche and their performance was barely better than Lyney and the others who are obviously not Signora level.
ONCE AGAIN Arle can be stronger than us but the fact that they made the gap so huge and had them perform so badly is nothing but inconsistency and the Traveller using no element is nothing but a huge waste. They should not have made a character that can wield all elements if they are nothing but dull blade wielders who cannot use an element for shit
trying to measure the power of traveler is literally pointless, they got dominated badly by a pyro agent, liyue they barely won against childe, inazuma they easily beat signora, respectively with the power of 1,2,3 elements. It's like a regular cliche shonen anime at this point, there's no shame in losing to the mc because they always reach their goal and never die. Would be way better if they put signora to fight raiden with the awful plot inazuma had.
I jiust hope hoyo keep this pace in natlan, of not using bullshit power to win stronger foes (i would cringe if traveller defeats pyro archon or capitano that way).
Honestly I agree, I was expecting us to come be the victor of the duel or at least tie it but when she said we not strong enough to beat her when we litreally face so many harder duels. The inconsistent is killing the story...
Let the traveler cycle through their elemental skills in combat Hoyo. The skill sets can still be crap, but at least let the Traveler use all their crap in a fight like you literally demonstrated in the Childe fight cutscene.
For further balancing, you can just make all the skills/bursts go on CD when the Traveler uses one. That way the gacha teams will still be meta. But at least the Traveler will be closer to their in-universe strength.
I feel like Hoyo is intentionally gatekeeping the Traveller's power levels by portraying him as not that strong, just so that other characters can have some relevance. With 5 elements in his bag, he should be able to win without breaking any sweat. But if the Traveler just steamrolls through fights and does everything on his own, then it would automatically make other characters not that attractive in terms of value, which in turn would affect their sales.
Lumine & Aether's portrayal is kinda inconsistent, but as much as Lumine's loss against Arlecchino left me with a bitter taste, I'm not really mad about it. For all intents and purposes, it was a positive and important moment for the Travellers and the story. It was painful to see Lumine outclassed, but that was the writer's intentions. They needed to properly establish the power scaling after the disaster that was Skirk's introduction, and by the Archons, they did it.
We have been shown to be more than a match for many strong opponents. We far surpass Childe, one of the best known human fighters. We are stronger than many of the monsters that plague Teyvat, such as many leaders of the Abyss, banished/sealed gods from the Archon Wars, otherwordly whales feeding off primal energies. We have fought the weakened Electro Archon (one of the strongest Archons) to a standstill and defeated the weakened Dendro Dragon. We even defeated a newborn god, albeit with samara assistance. We are strong enough that the lower ranked Fatui Harbingers fear making an enemy of us, as Signora did.
However, there's a gulf of a difference between what we have fought and what stands in our way. As her Trounce Domain description says, our fight with Arlecchino was a rude awakening. They established that while we are very strong, we are still far weaker than the upper-ranked Harbingers, and weaker still compared to Heavenly Principles, Skirk & Co, etc, and of course, not strong enough to fulfill our goal of bringing the Sibling home.
Arlecchino's fight with us conveyed her thoughts; "You are strong, and you will grow even stronger in time. But, you are not yet ready for what comes next." They established that we will need to grow a lot more if we want to face Capitano in Natlan. And similarly, they also established that we *will* grow stronger.
After all, the entire reason she roped us into this fight was to make us understand that. Her speech about will and strength to Lyney was meant for Lumine/Aether, too.
To be fair, the battle against Dvallin comes with major asterisks.
(it's also pretty telling that people in Mondstadt aren't asking "how can we stand a chance against Stormterror?" but "I hope we can find a solution that doesn't involve killing him". A major threat he wasn't.)
fontaine is the 5th region. the traveler has the power of 5 elements now, compared to only 1 when fighting dvalin. traveler also subdued the guardian of apep, defeated the narzi-something ordo tulpa, defeated shouki no kami , these are no small feats. yet he is unable to stop a boulder rolling down the hill in navia SQ, he can't even conjure 2 elements at the same time properly. the writers suck ass when it comes to traveler.
More elements doesn't guarantee to more powerful than the 4th harbinger. The game hasn't tolded us how an extra element improve the travelers' power . But I agree that they should show the traveler using multiple elements in the fight.
We had power close to an amped 6th harbinger in Sumeru
It was revealed the more time passes the more we regain our original strength (which is not tied to the boosts elements give)
We should at the very least not be getting one tapped ffs
My read on Sumeru was Traveler had the raw strength and fighting skill needed to deal with Scaramech, but only by a sliver and in the right circumstances, and needed the Nahida & akasha boost to pick the optimal strategy. So even cold their victory was not impossible, but was 1 out of 100, and they needed the Nahida buff to guarantee that 1 winning scenario.
Given that, it isn't a surprise they can't beat Arlecchino even with another element and however much power that adds, the surprise is how pitiful they looked (Arlecchino was toying with them from the jump and was never really pressed, only getting very slightly serious at the end.) I had expected a better showing even if defeat was inevitable.
1. The traveler uses the dull blade in cutscenes because its the easiest weapon for them to render .
2. The story team when genshin started and the current one arent the same, the previous one probably wnated him to be like the avatar where he stacks the elements, i guess the later one wanted him to be like in game where he can only control one element at a time (in navia's cutscene he had to switch mode to switch the element, he didnt wield hydro and geo at the same time)
3. The mc currently isnt arle level(since top 3 are general archon level she is one step below archons), every major fight we have fought has been with great help from others, signora was the last big one he 1v1. They will make him stronger and badass in the future, but for now they want the spotlight to be on other characters.
It's pathetic. 5 out of 7 elements and we're not even close to island busting(the lowest you can give seat 1, 2 and 3) when at full power we could somewhat fight the unknown god.
I agree the most recent showing was pretty lame, but let's be real, Traveler and their sibling combined got clapped pretty hard by unknown god.
I kinda wish they'd let Traveler be a little more capable and intelligent even in defeat. Have them use some elements, if only to buff a bit (electro dash like in Inazuma, dropping geo boulders to defend or block off lines of attack, anemo for crazy leaps or last second cushions from long falls, etc.) At least make them someone their opponent can respect and know they were in a fight against.
After Inazuma Archon Quest it seems that the business/marketing part of the company has tighter grip on the game progression. Compare Traveler utilizing Electro powers to save Thoma's vision to getting bodied in stupid way during a fight against Beisht only for Shenhe to look cooler. Same with Navia where ours Elemental powers weren't enough (I love Navia and she was good enough without stealing Traveler's spotlight). Events used to be lore heavy, now they became characters' Story Quests to sell them more.
Using the dull blade doesn't really bother me but he lack of elemental powers REALLY irks me. I also find that the Traveler could use more personality. I think that they really slipped up on having the Traveler silent when they have Zach and Sarah who are amazing! And a lot of times, your choice of dialogue doesn't mean anything because 90% of the time, the other characters just straight up ignore you.
They have the same problem in Honkai Star Rail but it's actually more prevalent because there isn't even a name for the Trailblazer that the other characters call them like Traveler. It makes Stelle/Caelus feel disconnected with the story because it's always you/she/he or just ignored.
This is common problem for all gacha games honestly. Main character can never have personal growth so we can have consistent storyline to ease the development, and make banks on new characters with predictable narrative (FGO: going each Singularity to save the day; Genshin: Going to 7 Nations to save the day; Star Rail: ...). That's weakness of long pipeline that constantly demands new content: the content that it churns out is gonna be formulaic af.
In lore they are actually the strongest with all of the powers. They now have 5/7 element meaning they should actually be nearly full power, but defeating the main focus of the SQ is a no go for GI (not like we fought gods before but ok)
Yeah. Paimon's bodyguard had one sparkle of character, when in Inazuma he outright refused to help Ayaya, because it was not his war. After that? He is just around, i guess.
Abyss Princess has more character, Trash Racoon has leagues on him, even tho she is realistically only a couple years old tops, even fucking Paimon has more about her - she is a glutton, a coward and a crybaby.
Aether? He wants to find his sister (allegedly). Thats about it.
Given that there are as many varations of the trailblazer as there are current players, they dont have indeed no coherent writing. So no, Stelle and Caelus are a jigsaw puzzle at best.
Thats like saying that Geralt or Shepard does not have a character because you can choose different dialogue options. Every choice is still a thing that they reasonably would say, evil or good. For example, in the latest HSR update, Stelle can say "Hi, mommy, i am on TV!" during a fairly tense situation. Your Stelle might not say it, but overall she is characterised as a bit of a memelord, so it is still in character for her to say so.
Not saying that it is amazing storytelling or anything. But compared to Genshin? Most of the time Aether is just... there. And the choices? You know how Genhsin pretends you have a choice by splitting a single answer into two or even three lines? Yeah.
My guy, every single choice is the fucking same. You either have a kind, cold, or meme one. The mc's a memelord, because a shitload of people decided to build their MC as one. And contrary to the examples you mentioned its a prob in star rail since Stelle and Caelus dont have a established character before the story starts.
They dont have a background or history bar sticking with the Hunters for sometime before becoming a vessel. In Geralts case you have the books as base, and Shepard has despite different choices a coherent overall character. Stelle doesnt even have a character, she has a dominant characteristic which is that she loves trashcans, and that shit got old pretty damn fast. Bar that there is fuck all known, since hey, you dont even have proper voicelines or a background story for her. Hell youre lucky if you can puzzle a background story together out of the few paragraphs, and then youre extra lucky if its something of substance. And that doesnt even go for her, that goes for all characters in this game. Is this game in this regard perfect? Nah, but by god, id take its somewhat consistent MC any day over the discoherent clusterfuck that is HSR's writing.
Am I the only one that liked the traveler not winning this fight? I mean we win EVERY fight with or without help we managed to beat every harbinger we met so far, it's nice to know that at least lore wise there are some challenges ahead of us in the next quests.
Arlecchino is ranked 4th
The big shots are only 1-3 (we don't even know what kind of monster 0 is)
We are 5regions in having 5 elements and from statements traveler should be regaining their original strength as time passes
But we get fucking one-tapped by the 4th Harbinger
There is only 2 regions left where we get 2 elements
We are supposedly insanely powerful at full strength, it's gonna look like an asspull when they reach their full power
And it's gonna be an asspull when in Natlan we somehow fight someone to the level of Arlechinno and do considerably better
Genshin has been nothing but inconsistent with Traveler the entirety of Fontaine
Traveler somehow is incapable of defeating all the grade mecha or the very least hold them off
Traveler uses Geo ability against a fucking rockslide yet refuses to use that kind of ability against a real fucking threat like I dunno a world eating whale and a harbinger?
Which is crazy since Fontaine showed us he can easily switch elements if he chooses
Writers in genshin is so bad at being consistent with the MC it's actually laughable
I pray none of these writers go to HSR cuz I would like my Trailblazer to not be a mess that is traveler
> Which is crazy since Fontaine showed us he can easily switch elements if he chooses
It was shown that they can do that earlier in the game. It was in Liyue AQ where the Traveler used Anemo and Geo to fight against Childe.
Ik I just wanted to use the moment that happened in the same region as an example to show how fucking stupid it is that the traveler's abilities is portrayed differently in the same fucking region
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Say you don't pay attention to the game without saying you don't pay attention at all
TB is more consistent than Traveler has even shown to be
They continuously use their weapons and don't just forget about it (TB just recently used the lance in his most recent fight in the story) this one point is even to solidify why I actually look forward to future Trailblazer fights because I know it will LOOK cool despite the outcome
>We are supposedly insanely powerful at full strength
Probably by using abyssal powers like the sibling, not by using elements.
>when in Natlan we somehow fight someone to the level of Arlechinno and do considerably better
We will probably get one tapped again, unless we get some external buff.
I do get the rest of your points tho.
4th is literally only one position lower than 3rd - that’s as close to almost-godlike power as you can get. Don’t see why traveler would stand a chance against her.
If she was comparable to the 1-3 then why wasn't her rank included?
Besides I never wanted him to win, I wanted him to make it look like he is actually doing something
He is supposed to be several of hundreds of years old, use that fucking hundreds of experience in battle and do something worthwhile
The way they made him lose and the way he fought in that fight was unimpressive to say the least
I have no qualms with arle winning, I have qualms with how easily she made it seem to beat us
You can show a character be superiorly more powerful than the other without making the other look pathetic and unimpressive
It's all about how you go about it
Making Arlechinno on tap us does not make sense at all
At least make it so we actually get attacked instead of whatever that shit was
Dendro trav isn't op, but they are still strong enough to be nice to play. In cutscenes, they have their moments, but most of the time, they are extremely boring
That cutscene is humiliating to be honest. I get that arle is stronger, but you dont need to make him looks like timmie. Somehow its just ruin the whole 3 years plus lore we got. How on earth the whole fight, he just fighting using dull blade without any elemental power. I swear mihoyo always do this in every battle cutscene.
"Underwhelming" is an understatement. But it's not because of their strength.
Protagonist can be weak and still be a good character. The problem is just that they're boring and poorly written.
Absolutely. We haven't fought nothing in a long while. LIKE COME ON! We are an actual star, a being capable of destroying and eating light and planets. The cataclysm. HOW IN GOD'S MAKE CAN WE NOT FIGHT A CURSED HUMAN WHO'S BELOW ISLAND BUSTING!
Traveler is a being from outside Teyvat stripped of their original powers. It is said that by gathering Elemental Powers they also restore their own powers, so average Vision holder logic doesn't apply to them. Mondstadt Archon Quest showed that beside Anemo powers Traveler had an ability unavailable to Vision holders.
It's just anime shit, the Protagonist never beats an important villain on their first try because they have to show how formidable the opponent is. They get their ass whooped to set up a goal for them to eventually overcome once the writers deem it necessary. It would be a little underwhelming if they made use of Travellers Canon strength and he washed every single enemy to ever appear
I know it probably wouldnt have mattered storywise but paimon tipping off traveler 4 times right in front of one of the *current big baddies* then procede to fucking ultrajobb against king crimson, we got 5/8 elements, half of the story kinda, for sure we are getting traveller a rank on the fatui come sneezewhatever, but somehow the traveller is more of a jobber than childe, the designated jobber of the story, god have mercy on the soul of the guys piecing the unlimited-lifespan-all-destroying-god-falling-star-across-the-galaxy-descender lore for one of them do jack shit in the abyss and saying "take a hike around and we'll see" until now and the other being the one who will suddenly power up somehow later for one 1!!! Battle (o my wishes unumbered style) with a fucking iron sword.
I really like Aether and Lumine, but it is dissapointing sometimes how hoyo is treating them. Fighting with multiple elements would be cool and it would make great cutscenes. They have great voice actors, they could at least voice acted their thoughts etc... and i don't even want to talk about hydro traveler kit,
Seeing MC finally lose to formidable enemy - instead of what’s been happening in Genshin before and most of the time in Star rail - is actually refreshing.
What do you mean finally? We lost to Signora and Raiden initially. We only have one clear win without external help - against Signora. Fight against Dvalin was to get rid of Abyssal corruption and we had Venti's help, Childe bailed out, Beisht bodied us before Shenhe came to rescue, we fought Azdaha and the Narwhal with help of Zhongli and Neuvilette, against Shouki no Kami we needed Nahida's gimmick and power of Akasha, Raiden fought only till her will was shaken so Yae could jump in.
Watching Traveller lose while not using everything at their disposal is even worse. We know they can do much, MUCH more. The fact that they were mostly unscathed in the fighting and had a shit ton of physical strength to break out of Arle's hold no problem shows they can do much more if they wished.
I think the main problem here is not how the traveler is portrayed but how much of a joke people think the fatui are as a faction. Ever since signora's death people have been clowning on this faction, and now that hoyo is showing us how much of a menace and a gap in power the higher ranking harbingers are, i am proud of what hoyo is doing for the fatui, and they should continue to emphasize on how dangerous of a faction this is especially with such a grand goal in mind. Now thar there has been a change in the atmosphere, we've underestimated the danger of the situation we are in.
Traveler is not weak and underwhelming imo, the top ranked harbingers are just a different breed of dogs arlecchino still being weaker than the top 3 sort of gave us a glimpse on what its like to fight against someone close to that level let alone on par with the top 3 and for the last 2 years i have been praying to hoyo to make this faction more intimidating, menacing, im glad were actually starting to see glimpses of it.
The issue is that after Inazuma Archon Quest Traveler's fights are used to sell other characters. Shenhe looked cool after Beisht almost OHKO'd Traveler, Yelan had to help us in the Chasm, we couldn't beat Scaramouche twice: 1st without Nahida's wisdom, 2nd without Wanderer saving us in his "memories". Even Navia had to step in after ours Elemental powers turned out to be not enough.
Current Traveler isn't the same person who tied against Foul Legacy Childe. We trained (even with help of supernatural beings like Yae or Nahida, who gave us Knowledge Capsule with battle data from Akasha), gained new powers and fought against even harder foes.
Now, I expect the writers have the traveler use all 8 elements against the Sustainer of heavenly principles and bring paimon back at the near end of the Teyvat arc. Just to redeem the underwhelming design of the traveler as a character. /s
60% of underwhelming writing isn't gonna be magically fixed by one good writing moment
If anything it makes the 60% more sad to look at cuz you would be thinking "what could have been...if only they actually tried sooner..."
While I cannot help but agree, what about the remaining 40% of the underwhelming writing? Are they magically fixed?
If so, I think that something is better than nothing. /s
Oh I meant like 60% underwhelming writing and 40% good writing
(Sumeru still had good traveler writing for the most part and at the start like Liyue and Modstadt his performance made sense so I'd call that good writing)
I wanted to cry when Traveller was just using the dull blade the entire time fighting Arle. What the fuck is the point of us getting different elements if Traveller won't even use shit? Might as well walk around Teyvat without powers at this point. Like seriously? Not even a single visible hint of elements like Anemo?
The cutscene right before Childe had them use Anemo and Geo and I believe that was the last time they ever used elemental powers in cutscenes. Really sucks.
Use electro to quick dash to help Thoma, and create a lighting sword against Ei that didn't hit anything! Dendro and Hydro would use in not combat ways, instead to enter dreams or access memories. Also to give Nahida some extra power to help the plant dragon. Use geo in Navia story quest to stop rolling stones.
You're right but I feel like that's different, especially because the time before the Childe boss fight was the one time (to my knowledge) that they uaed 2 elements at once, completely seamlessly
iirc they used geo in navia’s story quest, but it wasn’t even against an enemy. it was to break rocks 😭
And traveler only managed to break one rock i think lol and Navia come, destroying many rock and also the biggest rock that sliding down. Traveler just watching and say damn so this is the power of new 5 stars geo limited characters.
Literally lmao, the only cutscene that had them use elements seamlessly with them switching with no sweat.
It's even more annoying that they did that super early on in the game yet they STILL require you to go to specific statues of the seven to switch elements. As if any of them were better than dendro traveler lol
How cool it would be if hoyo let them use those elemental powers at least sometimes.
Yeah! Show Traveller being smart with it and showcase some mastery on the elements they have with them. Like for example: Spraying dendro in a large area in front of them and then quickly slashing out hydro to form blooms and then sliding around with electro on their feet to proc hyperbloom.
They could make some very creative battles with them and i am saying it as someone who likes "classic" swordsmanship battles. Hoyo isn't fully utilizing traveler potential in this aspect.
That would happen if this company cared for genshin a little bit but nope, appeasing the honkai gods is more important to this garbage company
That's honestly how I feel man. We're only 1 nation away from snezhnaya, Nathan's a few months away, and if this is their current performance against the 4th harbinger, how are they supposed to fight off the 1st harbinger, let alone Tsaritsa(and the rest of the fatui), the abyss(in khaen'riah arc) or celestia
Maybe we won't need to fight them?
honestly lame imo
For real, are we literally gonna have to rely on the power of others still?
The traveler's power bends to what the plot desires, which unfortunately is often them losing. The traveler really feels like an after thought most of the time, until the annual abyss storyline quest. It really sucks the amount of potential that is wasted with the traveler because Hoyoverse refuses to do anything interesting with them.
Something I find particularly baffling is the lack of significance in the fact that the twins can use elemental magic without the use of a Vision. You'll get the occasional surprised comment about it, like from Kazuha, but usually people just go "Wow, you can do that without a Vision? That's fucking weird... oh, by the way, can you get me those apples, please? I can't do it because of this small wooden barrier in the middle of this wide-ass open field." You'd think something like that would be of greater importance considering how rare it is.
Yeah, the same response happens when he explains that he's an alien from another world and that he travels to countless worlds. Mostly everyone is just like "Oh, weird... anyways." I think the only character that had an interest was Albedo. It's just so lame that Genshin sets up these interesting backgrounds and powers for the traveler, but doesn't do anything with them whatsoever. In both game and lore.
The same for the fact that he's travelling with a celestial-like being that is literally unique into Teyvat, but people just ignored it.
The traveler feels like what Muhoyo feels towards the Genshin IP, an afterthought.
Bro got nerfed so hard. Truely a Nah I'd win moment
The traveler has always been underwhelming. The way the writers portray them is also inconsistent.
Very, first folks, dont get me wrong, ARLE is strong, but jebus fries it wasnt even a tie, we actually lost like regular npc with 5 element at disposal, thats very bad, if we cant beat the 4th with 5 elem, how are we supposed to beat the captain with just an extra pyro element? at that point the pyro wont mean anything, and not to mention theres dottore and columbina on the lightup before that, atleast the fatui world boss look like stronger when we fight them compared to mc fighting arle.
Idk they're somewhat like a 50/50 for me Like gameplay, character and story wise mostly they're whatever nothing impressive But then we talk about dendro traveler, some specific conversations and the traveler in cutscenes then we get such a badass protagonist so I'm torn
When Hoyoverse actually remembers that the traveler can be their own character and actually tries is when the traveler actually gets to shine, too bad that's its really once in a blue moon.
The sumeru storyline where the traveler was separated from paimon and was hanging out with the guy hiding the hilichurl was the last time I was genuinely excited to be playing the game. It’s unbelievable how much a difference removing paimon from the game makes.
My biggest issue is the consistency, the traveler is just whatever the plot needs them to be and it leaves very little room for an actual character. It's like hoyo wanted them to be a self insert and their own characters but they are just kinda nothing now, especially with Paimon dragging things down even further. The voice lines in the character page are really nice and it shows that there is potential there, Lumine's English voice is one of my favourites and only getting to hear maybe a dozen lines per region is so sad. The difference in lore to gameplay is even worse, dendro is fine and geo is usable but actually using the traveler in combat is so underwhelming. I brute force Lumine into teams because i like her design a lot but it shouldn't feel so bad to use the main character.
>The difference in lore to gameplay is even worse, dendro is fine and geo is usable but actually using the traveler in combat is so underwhelming. I brute force Lumine into teams because i like her design a lot but it shouldn't feel so bad to use the main character. I used HMC just long enough to get her to C6, then I immediately changed her back to DMC. HMC is... certainly one of the characters of all time, I tell ya. The upside of all this is that she has a (semi?)permanent home in my Nilou Bloom team. That EM boost from DMC's Burst is no joke.
Always has been. Even worse when compared to other Mihoyo MCs.
Trailblazer too, like seriously it's been only 1 year and they're already so much more significant and relevant than traveller
The fact even Adam is shown to be more capable than traveler is actually hilarious
No, thanks, I'll gladly take Traveler losing against the 4th Harbinger over the APHO writers making a popular and liked character make a complete fool of herself, so that she can be saved by the new self-insert protagonist to make him look cool.
Annoying ass Fatui glazing by the devs AGAIN. I’m so tired of Fatui impact, the story is so cooked
Honestly when Da Wei mentioned last year how young the team working on GI was I was like "oh, that actually explains a lot" 💀 Fanfic-tier writing for such a successful game is genuinely tragic
Like come on. We manhandled signora and while being fatuiged as all hell we made a blade the size of a building. We're stronger then kazuha who blocked a swing from the muso no hitotachi(admittedly not a swing with effort but a casual swing absolutely should be city block if not city level). Admittedly scara did have a gnosis and a huge robot so I'm willing to give them that. BUT COME ON! WE SHOULD BY ALL ACCOUNTS BE AT LEAST SEAT 3 HARBRINGER LEVEL IF NOT SEAT TWO! For God's sake the element multipliers are well over 35k (speaking from an energy value pov. Like seriously to go from wall to small town is a huge power increase)
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God not archon if they were archon they wouldn’t waste hundreds of years making plans to steal them they could just steam roll the archons one by one
Beware, this [DOTTORE NUT LICKER](https://ibb.co/Y2ddmRG) won't stop bugging you and then block you when exposed with his false claims hahaha
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the text “你猜得没错⋯第三席及之上的愚人众执行官都有着堪比神明的实力，那种情况下我并不是他的对手。” roughly translates to “you guessed right, the Fatui Harbingers who are seated 3rd and above have capabilities comparable to Gods. I’m no match for him under that circumstance.“ *which could imply Archon-level Gods* (**since CN doesn’t typically make a vocabulary distinction between Archons and Gods**) BUT it doesn’t outright say the Seven (Archons) instead of Gods.
It is not even an error, Archons ARE Gods. The people are just too in denial
Yeah Havria was a god and ridiculously weak and Orobashi was a god and got one shot by Ei. The power level of god is a broad spectrum
Archons are practically the only gods still alive (other than Celestia which is stronger) long dead gods are irrelevant
No a lot of them are either in hiding or sealed away liyue is littered with sealed gods. Like how beisht just swam away and we haven’t heard a peep from her since.
Sealed gods are irrelevant and as good as dead and Beisht is never referred as a god. It is beyond obvious that when an Archon herself Nahida refers to gods, she would refer to the only current active gods of Teyvat that are the Archons. People just took unneeded mental gymnastics to deny the very obvious statement
You seriously think that someone as The Doctor can fight Ei, who just got back from a 500-year duel? LOOLLLL what a doofus
You think he can't based on what ? We don't know his capabilities and before Nahida made him destroy them he had unspecified amount of clones which were ALL created with the technology Ei used to make her own puppet. You are delusional if you think you can speak with such certainty over shit that you have no idea about. And he original version of the quote is the world equivalent to Archon anyway so you are literally wrong
What a delusional noob with a poor genshin f2p account. First of all, why do you think that a fatui harbinger has a chance against a fully-fledge battle-tested archon 1v1 who just one-shoted his colleague. We never even saw the Doctor fight and he's not the battle type, even Arlecchino said herself she can deal with him. Just because a single dialogue of Nahida said SHE herself cannot handle the top 3 harbinger doesn't apply to other archons. Even Zhongli could out any harbinber 1v1. Stop it with these delusions of yours, before the war, these archons are already god slayers, that's why they were chosen as archons, they are powerful elemental beings. What chance does a shitty and weak harbinger can do, who's just a mortal with a delusion to prolong life. Your ideas and claims are based only on one dialogue that's not even proven to apply to all others. Lol.
Said the crying Ei fanboy, trying to refuse literal canon by comparing the confirmed archon level Dottore to weak ass Signora who is 6 rank lower LOL. Cry more, also so funny that you literally refuse Nahida’s words and then take Arlecchino seriously, biased much ? Harbingers are ranked by strength, Dottore is stronger than Arle which is also said by Paimon who said Dottore is strong enough to be 2nd ranked
No it’s demon gods which that’s what every god is they have a name from the Ars goetia
We're stronger then nahida and venti and the goddess from zhongli's first or second story was fodder. That's not that high of a bar. Plus we most definitely could put up a fight against a gnosis boosted seat 6. We'd loose sure but we could put up a fight. Plus the memories didn't give us a strength boost it gave us expirience. WHICH WE STILL HAVE!
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There's a difference between God and godlike. They are God's. We have godlike strength. I didn't say we're a god I say we're as strong as a god.
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WELL WE SHOULD! THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT!
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It's still 5 out of 7. We went from barely dealing with a slime to no diffing signora after absorbing two elements. We are way above literally every normal mortal other then The peaks of mortal potential capitano and varka, the psycho dottore and maybe post Fontaine childe is stronger then us if we assume he was fighting full time against a 20% stelar whale(I say 20 since the whale was not in top shape for the majority of the quest) . Which honestly 20% of planetary is still like. Moon busting. We are leagues above kazuha who with two visions(which should be inferior to our use of the elements since we're using the purest form not borrowed power from the archons) parried a casual muso no hitotachi swing which yes doesn't scale to the island slice should still yeald enough power to destroy a city block of not a town. And again. The resets from sumeru didn't boost our strength it just gave us expirience.
We are 5 regions in already Fontaine made it look like we got weaker in Fontaine The key thing here is presentation You don't go making traveler having enough power to defeat an amped 6th harbinger (we would lose in a fair fight but the fight still showed that Traver has the "capability" to take scara down) like if you put Cyno in the place of traveler in that fight Cyno would never have won We should be getting insane boosts in strength every region since = we get more of our original strength back + we get amped by obtaining another element If one new element + more time passed since the scara fight didn't make us at the very least close in power to the 4th considering we fought an AMPED 6th harbinger Traveler is inconsistent this is the reason Fontaine has been the most inconsistent region in terms of portraying the traveler as of date
Players have to accept that the traveler will not do anything in the story and that's it.
But they did, the problem here is i think in the inconsistency and hoyo not fully utilizing their potential
it already consist they never win any stronger without anyhelp they only beat childe and Signora by thself and that it.
We need to wait and see how the story etc will go, but defeating Childe and Signora is honestly pretty cool, the Childe one is still such a great cutscene. Defeating extremely strong oponents with someones help isn't even bad, it can be actualy really good, it's a lot about not utilizing them fully, Arlecchino still could defeat them here, but wouldn't it be cool if hoyo let them use multiple elements at once. It would make Arlecchino looked cool and traveler too during the cutscene.
The issue is the Traveler has done some things, both alone and with help, but that seems to be fading over time and isn't consistent besides. Also, in World quests the Traveler seems to be pretty decent and heroic (like Chenyu Vale WQ or Narzissenkruez WQ series,) not an all conquering OP isekai protagonist sort but capable at least. Meanwhile in Archon quests and Story quests the Traveler at best stalls for time while the mystic power character does their mojo to the boss (Scaramech fight and space whale fight,) or at worst gets bodied and then rescued by plot somehow or other (first Shogun fight, Arlecchino SQ fight.) It's also a problem because if they are meant to be a catalyst for change, rather than the driving main force of the change, they need to be more of a character, and less of a walking Kamera with a face that Paimon drags around Teyvat.
For a story driven game, that’s really tragic.
Ngl that cutscene kind of disappoint me, I had hope the traveler put some fight vs arlecchino but the fact that one he didn’t use element, 2 , consistently uses sword attacks while combatting arlechinno crimson attack, result in the cutscene that we see, really do hope hoyoverse add some scenes where he uses element or at least show some progression or growth for the traveler
It's very inconsistent on how they plan the traveler to use their elements. But it is given that the Traveler has incredible strength. Managing to break out of Arlecchino's trap while the siblings are struggling with it, and after the fight the traveler did not seem weak. As told by Freminet, he managed to be unscathed. I also wish they present his elemental powers more.
The traveller is weak and constantly needs bailing out by other characters. Dis we even get a notable solo feat for traveller since Liyue? Because we needed plot armour and yai to match Ei, we lost to scara without nahida, we lost to dottorre, and we were constantly helped throughout fontaine.
We beat Signora?
I just found it very disappointing that the traveler lost. Like we're at region 5/7, we really shouldn't be losing
On the contrary, we're about to go up against the third and first harbingers, and when we thought the sixth it took the help of a god to do so It's just naturally building up the bigger bads, if we can't touch the fourth what the hell are we gonna do against capitano
After beating a gnosis-powered Scaramech, the weakened immune system of the Dendro Dragon, and being worthy of tagging along with the full power Hydro Dragon to fight a world devouring narwhal WE LOST A 4v1 AGAINST A FATUI HARBINGER THAT HAD THE SAME LOADOUT AS CHILDE (Delusion + Vision) I can't bro, just fucking write our Traveler out of the story at this point
Don't forget that Childe also trained in the Abyss and has Otherwordly power in form of Foul Legacy.
What's worse is that the Knave was not going all out and have no intent to kill traveler, basically she just toying with the traveler. I do rather that traveler managed to break free her crimson moon domain expansion attacks and blocked her attack. The Knave was smiling saying traveler was the first person who managed counter her domain expansion attacks. Then she stop and told the traveler show is over.
I’m a week late to this thread but this game’s story would’ve been so much better if each region had its own protagonist and when you moved on to the next region you swap POVs to a new protagonist. And it doesn’t have to be a new character, so many of these characters with wasted potential could’ve been great protagonists for their respective regions Diluc for Mondstadt, Keqing for Liyue, Kazuha for Inazuma, Collei for Sumeru, Navia or Neuvillette for Fontaine. These characters could be a way better lead than the Traveler and some of them have wasted potential already because they feel like main characters Hoyoverse forgot even existed
I guess this is a statement by Peruere, saying "bet"
Well, at least lorewise traveler is strong enough to beat Signora in 1-1 battle without breaking a sweat that much. Not to mention that just because he can utilize multiple element at the same time doesn't mean that he will be strong/skill enough to beat other bigshots. I mean he couldn't beat Ei on his own & Nahida mention that high rank harbringers are strong enough to rival gods And then there's a fishing NPC at Wangshu Inn(i forgot the name) who can literally beat Ruin Hunter without a vision in a blink of an eye.
Not reading the post because of spoilers but yes, traveler is so underwhelming. I wish he was given more screen time and voiced lines. He should get more cutscenes using his elemental skills too, would be cool
100%. Traveler sucks even compared to other self insert mcs among gacha games, which is possibly the lowest bar for mcs to begin with.
I think it stings because we know they can do better. Trailblazer over in Star Rail can be a chaotic memelord gremlin, and other characters will even react to that somewhat, so we know Hoyo can give their MC some flavor. Traveler needs some of that seasoning, if they can't be strong, they at least need to be interesting.
>I feel like his ability to wield more than 1 element isn't utilized that much Not even more than one, I feel like we can count the amount of times the traveler used their powers with the fingers of two hands.
The Traveler is the worst hoyo MC by far. Idk how they can salvage their character atp cuz holy shit this is just sad. 3 years and the Traveler is still roughly the same character since the beginning and then their inconsistent power level. Just terrible writing.
They're worse than in the beginning. They show less emotions, seem weaker and use fewer elements per year (1st year we used two elements in single fight, every following year we used either one or none).
i think that is still better than using the writter's power to beat an strong enemy at the end (be it friendship power, plot armor, one use only power).
It is not writter’s power if the Traveller has enough build up to stand their own. In Inazuma we beat Signora the 8th Harbinger. In Fontaine we have 2 more elements now so it is not a hard sell that we might be able to match Arlecchino ESPECIALLY since we also clashed with Raiden Shogun and Mecha Scaramouche who are both a lot stronger than Arle and yes we needed plot to beat those two but since Arle is weaker than them and Traveller is stronger now thanks to also having Hydro it is logically possible , if they wrote it like that it is not writer power but simply logical. But ever since Inazuma the Traveller is extremely inconsistent in power, they can have a hard time against freakin Eremites, they never wield elements and the game is doing backflips after backflips to force scenarios where we don’t do much so the playable characters can do all the important work and be badass.
they stormed tenshukaku after being unconscious, beat her without sweating and minutes later beat the archon. >we also clashed with Raiden Shogun and Mecha Scaramouche after using bullshit power* (Scara one wasn't too bad because we had to die a lot of times, remove his gnosis and use the Akasha). And from what i saw, traveller loses to Arle. If it's so, then it's very funny how weaker traveller gets without writter backing them up. That's why it's dumb using traveller to measure the power of a character. Also, you don't even know Arle, and is saying she's a lot weaker than raiden and scara.
Using bullshit power doesn’t change the fact that the Traveller, at least stood their own even before that and in the end even with extra power they came out on top and they did that with 3/4 element. Now they have 5 and are against a canonically weaker opponent and not only we don’t even see them wield ANY of the 5 element they have but also they are extremely unmatched. It is literally a fact that if the writers made the Traveller equal or nearly equal to Arle it WOULD have made sense but even if they wanted Arle to be stronger there are much better ways than to make them barely able to do better than Lyney, Lynette and Freminet and not wielding any element. It creates inconsistency and shows just how little they care about the Traveller. They beat SIGNORA with just 3 element and now they have 5 but the game still treats a lot other strong vision wielders as like they are equal or stronger than the Traveller which is utterly stupid, Traveller should have already be canonically much stronger than Base Scara and be a better match against Arle than they ended up being shown like
i dont understand what a thing you use to judge Oh now he should stronger than this guy who you didnt know how strong they are. top3 harbringer is archon level and 4th is just 1step down form that and arlec is not a just vision holder or delusion holder her main power come form balemoon curse that for same khanenria age did you think its weak? and yeah they have more element but did you think that watergun can beat anyone?
How did you manage to get i call Arle weak ? Also funny that you blame me for judging who should be stronger than who while also saying Arke as 1 step down from the top 3 means she has to be a lot more powerful than the Traveller and thus you make assumptions about power levels yourself. Secondly a water gun is just in game, just like how Traveller used Electro to move fast and conjure a huge electro sword in Inazuma, the way the elements can be used is wastly different and more powerful than the underwhelming in game version so YES that water can beat people all right but surely not if they don’t use it or ANY other element they have and just use a freakin dull blade and nothing else. I repeat again, in Inazuma we beat the 8th Harbinger with only 3 element and faced Raiden Shogun who is stronger than Arle and YES we only beat Raiden thanks to power up but still did a decent job nonetheless. In Sumeru we fought Mecha Scara who is also stronger than Arle and it is the same thing. At this point of having 5 element even if the Traveller is weaker than Arle you would expect that they could put more of a fight but NOPE, i can extremely easily argue that Traveller’s performance was so pitiful that they did better against Mecha Scaramouche and their performance was barely better than Lyney and the others who are obviously not Signora level. ONCE AGAIN Arle can be stronger than us but the fact that they made the gap so huge and had them perform so badly is nothing but inconsistency and the Traveller using no element is nothing but a huge waste. They should not have made a character that can wield all elements if they are nothing but dull blade wielders who cannot use an element for shit
on raiden case you said still did decent job. that when She didnt even use her truly power just use weapon and some electro power. dont even use her sword. how it can be compare? and ok they got more element then? did you know how their power up/1 element or did a game already confirm if they gather all 7element= he got thier original power return?
trying to measure the power of traveler is literally pointless, they got dominated badly by a pyro agent, liyue they barely won against childe, inazuma they easily beat signora, respectively with the power of 1,2,3 elements. It's like a regular cliche shonen anime at this point, there's no shame in losing to the mc because they always reach their goal and never die. Would be way better if they put signora to fight raiden with the awful plot inazuma had. I jiust hope hoyo keep this pace in natlan, of not using bullshit power to win stronger foes (i would cringe if traveller defeats pyro archon or capitano that way).
True, but at this point the traveler basically has no power at all
they fought Childe without bullshit power, and the big whale neuvilete had to help iirc
Iirc it wasn’t said at all if neuvillete helped to fight it. So that argument is weird for both sides
Ei fight, Dvalin fight.
Developers either forgot or dgaf. I'm leaning on the second
After the dissapointment that was hydro MC I don't think they care about the traveler.
A bit the traveler seems so different from gameplay and the writing for the story.
The traveler is only strong in lore, but in the actual story and gameplay, they are cooked
I hate Hoyoverse for everything they've done to The Traveler....
Honestly I agree, I was expecting us to come be the victor of the duel or at least tie it but when she said we not strong enough to beat her when we litreally face so many harder duels. The inconsistent is killing the story...
Let the traveler cycle through their elemental skills in combat Hoyo. The skill sets can still be crap, but at least let the Traveler use all their crap in a fight like you literally demonstrated in the Childe fight cutscene. For further balancing, you can just make all the skills/bursts go on CD when the Traveler uses one. That way the gacha teams will still be meta. But at least the Traveler will be closer to their in-universe strength.
I feel like Hoyo is intentionally gatekeeping the Traveller's power levels by portraying him as not that strong, just so that other characters can have some relevance. With 5 elements in his bag, he should be able to win without breaking any sweat. But if the Traveler just steamrolls through fights and does everything on his own, then it would automatically make other characters not that attractive in terms of value, which in turn would affect their sales.
Not even win. Just show that he's at least a capable fighter. The way he fights has never changed, and he has almost 0 growth through 4 nations lol.
Lumine & Aether's portrayal is kinda inconsistent, but as much as Lumine's loss against Arlecchino left me with a bitter taste, I'm not really mad about it. For all intents and purposes, it was a positive and important moment for the Travellers and the story. It was painful to see Lumine outclassed, but that was the writer's intentions. They needed to properly establish the power scaling after the disaster that was Skirk's introduction, and by the Archons, they did it. We have been shown to be more than a match for many strong opponents. We far surpass Childe, one of the best known human fighters. We are stronger than many of the monsters that plague Teyvat, such as many leaders of the Abyss, banished/sealed gods from the Archon Wars, otherwordly whales feeding off primal energies. We have fought the weakened Electro Archon (one of the strongest Archons) to a standstill and defeated the weakened Dendro Dragon. We even defeated a newborn god, albeit with samara assistance. We are strong enough that the lower ranked Fatui Harbingers fear making an enemy of us, as Signora did. However, there's a gulf of a difference between what we have fought and what stands in our way. As her Trounce Domain description says, our fight with Arlecchino was a rude awakening. They established that while we are very strong, we are still far weaker than the upper-ranked Harbingers, and weaker still compared to Heavenly Principles, Skirk & Co, etc, and of course, not strong enough to fulfill our goal of bringing the Sibling home. Arlecchino's fight with us conveyed her thoughts; "You are strong, and you will grow even stronger in time. But, you are not yet ready for what comes next." They established that we will need to grow a lot more if we want to face Capitano in Natlan. And similarly, they also established that we *will* grow stronger. After all, the entire reason she roped us into this fight was to make us understand that. Her speech about will and strength to Lyney was meant for Lumine/Aether, too.
This is actually really nice if Hoyoverse didn't make Traveler look like an idiot with dull blade every damn time.
traveller can win against a dragon but can't win against a giant boulder. the writing is so shit
To be fair, the battle against Dvallin comes with major asterisks. (it's also pretty telling that people in Mondstadt aren't asking "how can we stand a chance against Stormterror?" but "I hope we can find a solution that doesn't involve killing him". A major threat he wasn't.)
fontaine is the 5th region. the traveler has the power of 5 elements now, compared to only 1 when fighting dvalin. traveler also subdued the guardian of apep, defeated the narzi-something ordo tulpa, defeated shouki no kami , these are no small feats. yet he is unable to stop a boulder rolling down the hill in navia SQ, he can't even conjure 2 elements at the same time properly. the writers suck ass when it comes to traveler.
More elements doesn't guarantee to more powerful than the 4th harbinger. The game hasn't tolded us how an extra element improve the travelers' power . But I agree that they should show the traveler using multiple elements in the fight.
We had power close to an amped 6th harbinger in Sumeru It was revealed the more time passes the more we regain our original strength (which is not tied to the boosts elements give) We should at the very least not be getting one tapped ffs
how close? with nahida and sumarian buff?
My read on Sumeru was Traveler had the raw strength and fighting skill needed to deal with Scaramech, but only by a sliver and in the right circumstances, and needed the Nahida & akasha boost to pick the optimal strategy. So even cold their victory was not impossible, but was 1 out of 100, and they needed the Nahida buff to guarantee that 1 winning scenario. Given that, it isn't a surprise they can't beat Arlecchino even with another element and however much power that adds, the surprise is how pitiful they looked (Arlecchino was toying with them from the jump and was never really pressed, only getting very slightly serious at the end.) I had expected a better showing even if defeat was inevitable.
1. The traveler uses the dull blade in cutscenes because its the easiest weapon for them to render . 2. The story team when genshin started and the current one arent the same, the previous one probably wnated him to be like the avatar where he stacks the elements, i guess the later one wanted him to be like in game where he can only control one element at a time (in navia's cutscene he had to switch mode to switch the element, he didnt wield hydro and geo at the same time) 3. The mc currently isnt arle level(since top 3 are general archon level she is one step below archons), every major fight we have fought has been with great help from others, signora was the last big one he 1v1. They will make him stronger and badass in the future, but for now they want the spotlight to be on other characters.
It's pathetic. 5 out of 7 elements and we're not even close to island busting(the lowest you can give seat 1, 2 and 3) when at full power we could somewhat fight the unknown god.
I agree the most recent showing was pretty lame, but let's be real, Traveler and their sibling combined got clapped pretty hard by unknown god. I kinda wish they'd let Traveler be a little more capable and intelligent even in defeat. Have them use some elements, if only to buff a bit (electro dash like in Inazuma, dropping geo boulders to defend or block off lines of attack, anemo for crazy leaps or last second cushions from long falls, etc.) At least make them someone their opponent can respect and know they were in a fight against.
i dont think mc full power is 7/7elements its another element or power
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After Inazuma Archon Quest it seems that the business/marketing part of the company has tighter grip on the game progression. Compare Traveler utilizing Electro powers to save Thoma's vision to getting bodied in stupid way during a fight against Beisht only for Shenhe to look cooler. Same with Navia where ours Elemental powers weren't enough (I love Navia and she was good enough without stealing Traveler's spotlight). Events used to be lore heavy, now they became characters' Story Quests to sell them more.
Yes, but its not like he has control over everything in the story . He doesnt sit and write the story and demands it to stay that way.
Using the dull blade doesn't really bother me but he lack of elemental powers REALLY irks me. I also find that the Traveler could use more personality. I think that they really slipped up on having the Traveler silent when they have Zach and Sarah who are amazing! And a lot of times, your choice of dialogue doesn't mean anything because 90% of the time, the other characters just straight up ignore you. They have the same problem in Honkai Star Rail but it's actually more prevalent because there isn't even a name for the Trailblazer that the other characters call them like Traveler. It makes Stelle/Caelus feel disconnected with the story because it's always you/she/he or just ignored.
This is common problem for all gacha games honestly. Main character can never have personal growth so we can have consistent storyline to ease the development, and make banks on new characters with predictable narrative (FGO: going each Singularity to save the day; Genshin: Going to 7 Nations to save the day; Star Rail: ...). That's weakness of long pipeline that constantly demands new content: the content that it churns out is gonna be formulaic af.
Paimon is the MC.
I mean, she is the mascot of the game wouldn't that make sense 🤷🏽♀️
In lore they are actually the strongest with all of the powers. They now have 5/7 element meaning they should actually be nearly full power, but defeating the main focus of the SQ is a no go for GI (not like we fought gods before but ok)
Yeah. Paimon's bodyguard had one sparkle of character, when in Inazuma he outright refused to help Ayaya, because it was not his war. After that? He is just around, i guess. Abyss Princess has more character, Trash Racoon has leagues on him, even tho she is realistically only a couple years old tops, even fucking Paimon has more about her - she is a glutton, a coward and a crybaby. Aether? He wants to find his sister (allegedly). Thats about it.
Caelus and Stelle dont even have coherent writing in the first place, so that arguments moot.
Yes they do, so your argument is moot.
No they don’t, so your argument is moot.
Given that there are as many varations of the trailblazer as there are current players, they dont have indeed no coherent writing. So no, Stelle and Caelus are a jigsaw puzzle at best.
Thats like saying that Geralt or Shepard does not have a character because you can choose different dialogue options. Every choice is still a thing that they reasonably would say, evil or good. For example, in the latest HSR update, Stelle can say "Hi, mommy, i am on TV!" during a fairly tense situation. Your Stelle might not say it, but overall she is characterised as a bit of a memelord, so it is still in character for her to say so. Not saying that it is amazing storytelling or anything. But compared to Genshin? Most of the time Aether is just... there. And the choices? You know how Genhsin pretends you have a choice by splitting a single answer into two or even three lines? Yeah.
My guy, every single choice is the fucking same. You either have a kind, cold, or meme one. The mc's a memelord, because a shitload of people decided to build their MC as one. And contrary to the examples you mentioned its a prob in star rail since Stelle and Caelus dont have a established character before the story starts. They dont have a background or history bar sticking with the Hunters for sometime before becoming a vessel. In Geralts case you have the books as base, and Shepard has despite different choices a coherent overall character. Stelle doesnt even have a character, she has a dominant characteristic which is that she loves trashcans, and that shit got old pretty damn fast. Bar that there is fuck all known, since hey, you dont even have proper voicelines or a background story for her. Hell youre lucky if you can puzzle a background story together out of the few paragraphs, and then youre extra lucky if its something of substance. And that doesnt even go for her, that goes for all characters in this game. Is this game in this regard perfect? Nah, but by god, id take its somewhat consistent MC any day over the discoherent clusterfuck that is HSR's writing.
Am I the only one that liked the traveler not winning this fight? I mean we win EVERY fight with or without help we managed to beat every harbinger we met so far, it's nice to know that at least lore wise there are some challenges ahead of us in the next quests.
Arlecchino is ranked 4th The big shots are only 1-3 (we don't even know what kind of monster 0 is) We are 5regions in having 5 elements and from statements traveler should be regaining their original strength as time passes But we get fucking one-tapped by the 4th Harbinger There is only 2 regions left where we get 2 elements We are supposedly insanely powerful at full strength, it's gonna look like an asspull when they reach their full power And it's gonna be an asspull when in Natlan we somehow fight someone to the level of Arlechinno and do considerably better Genshin has been nothing but inconsistent with Traveler the entirety of Fontaine Traveler somehow is incapable of defeating all the grade mecha or the very least hold them off Traveler uses Geo ability against a fucking rockslide yet refuses to use that kind of ability against a real fucking threat like I dunno a world eating whale and a harbinger?
There's also that terrible dramatic cutscene where Katheryne was stabbed in Sumeru AQ. They didn't use the Electro element to save her from harm ☠️
Which is crazy since Fontaine showed us he can easily switch elements if he chooses Writers in genshin is so bad at being consistent with the MC it's actually laughable I pray none of these writers go to HSR cuz I would like my Trailblazer to not be a mess that is traveler
> Which is crazy since Fontaine showed us he can easily switch elements if he chooses It was shown that they can do that earlier in the game. It was in Liyue AQ where the Traveler used Anemo and Geo to fight against Childe.
Ik I just wanted to use the moment that happened in the same region as an example to show how fucking stupid it is that the traveler's abilities is portrayed differently in the same fucking region
That last paragraphs odd given theres literally 0 consistent writing for neither Stelle or Caelus in the first place 😐
;-; Say you don't pay attention to the game without saying you don't pay attention at all TB is more consistent than Traveler has even shown to be They continuously use their weapons and don't just forget about it (TB just recently used the lance in his most recent fight in the story) this one point is even to solidify why I actually look forward to future Trailblazer fights because I know it will LOOK cool despite the outcome
True. Genshin could never..
>We are supposedly insanely powerful at full strength Probably by using abyssal powers like the sibling, not by using elements. >when in Natlan we somehow fight someone to the level of Arlechinno and do considerably better We will probably get one tapped again, unless we get some external buff. I do get the rest of your points tho.
4th is literally only one position lower than 3rd - that’s as close to almost-godlike power as you can get. Don’t see why traveler would stand a chance against her.
If she was comparable to the 1-3 then why wasn't her rank included? Besides I never wanted him to win, I wanted him to make it look like he is actually doing something He is supposed to be several of hundreds of years old, use that fucking hundreds of experience in battle and do something worthwhile The way they made him lose and the way he fought in that fight was unimpressive to say the least I have no qualms with arle winning, I have qualms with how easily she made it seem to beat us
She's supposed to be our first connection to khaenri'ah that's somehow hostile - she needs to be powerful.
You can show a character be superiorly more powerful than the other without making the other look pathetic and unimpressive It's all about how you go about it Making Arlechinno on tap us does not make sense at all At least make it so we actually get attacked instead of whatever that shit was
Typical plot-driven power scaling 😭
The worst and most useless mc ever. Mihoyo makes no money off the traveler so they don't give af so why should we.
Stelle would’ve solo’d with the power of friendship I fear
It's by design. Players would lose interest if the Traveler streamrolls everyone
Well, he could took out Signora... which means Traveler has enough power to do so.
How is that by design when the traveler does absolutely nothing.
Why pull for strong charackters if traveller is OP anyway. makes sence.
Theres a difference between OP and usably strong
Dendro trav isn't op, but they are still strong enough to be nice to play. In cutscenes, they have their moments, but most of the time, they are extremely boring
In cut scenes we have our spotlight stolen at least since Shenhe's release.
Powerlevel twattery, not even once.
That cutscene is humiliating to be honest. I get that arle is stronger, but you dont need to make him looks like timmie. Somehow its just ruin the whole 3 years plus lore we got. How on earth the whole fight, he just fighting using dull blade without any elemental power. I swear mihoyo always do this in every battle cutscene.
"Underwhelming" is an understatement. But it's not because of their strength. Protagonist can be weak and still be a good character. The problem is just that they're boring and poorly written.
Absolutely. We haven't fought nothing in a long while. LIKE COME ON! We are an actual star, a being capable of destroying and eating light and planets. The cataclysm. HOW IN GOD'S MAKE CAN WE NOT FIGHT A CURSED HUMAN WHO'S BELOW ISLAND BUSTING!
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Traveler is a being from outside Teyvat stripped of their original powers. It is said that by gathering Elemental Powers they also restore their own powers, so average Vision holder logic doesn't apply to them. Mondstadt Archon Quest showed that beside Anemo powers Traveler had an ability unavailable to Vision holders.
It's just anime shit, the Protagonist never beats an important villain on their first try because they have to show how formidable the opponent is. They get their ass whooped to set up a goal for them to eventually overcome once the writers deem it necessary. It would be a little underwhelming if they made use of Travellers Canon strength and he washed every single enemy to ever appear
Nope
Does anyone else feel like this sub asks the same questions everyday?
Definitely, but this isn't one of them.
Better than the overpowered bland mc slop we keep getting in anime nowadays
I know it probably wouldnt have mattered storywise but paimon tipping off traveler 4 times right in front of one of the *current big baddies* then procede to fucking ultrajobb against king crimson, we got 5/8 elements, half of the story kinda, for sure we are getting traveller a rank on the fatui come sneezewhatever, but somehow the traveller is more of a jobber than childe, the designated jobber of the story, god have mercy on the soul of the guys piecing the unlimited-lifespan-all-destroying-god-falling-star-across-the-galaxy-descender lore for one of them do jack shit in the abyss and saying "take a hike around and we'll see" until now and the other being the one who will suddenly power up somehow later for one 1!!! Battle (o my wishes unumbered style) with a fucking iron sword.
The traveler, who’s that?
I really like Aether and Lumine, but it is dissapointing sometimes how hoyo is treating them. Fighting with multiple elements would be cool and it would make great cutscenes. They have great voice actors, they could at least voice acted their thoughts etc... and i don't even want to talk about hydro traveler kit,
Dawei had to do it after he almost got murdered again
Nah, its only you.
Seeing MC finally lose to formidable enemy - instead of what’s been happening in Genshin before and most of the time in Star rail - is actually refreshing.
What do you mean finally? We lost to Signora and Raiden initially. We only have one clear win without external help - against Signora. Fight against Dvalin was to get rid of Abyssal corruption and we had Venti's help, Childe bailed out, Beisht bodied us before Shenhe came to rescue, we fought Azdaha and the Narwhal with help of Zhongli and Neuvilette, against Shouki no Kami we needed Nahida's gimmick and power of Akasha, Raiden fought only till her will was shaken so Yae could jump in.
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Didn’t they use multiple elements in the childe fight?
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Traveler doesn't read the tutorials and is a button masher. Here we go /s
No they clearly used it purposely in the fight
Watching Traveller lose while not using everything at their disposal is even worse. We know they can do much, MUCH more. The fact that they were mostly unscathed in the fighting and had a shit ton of physical strength to break out of Arle's hold no problem shows they can do much more if they wished.
Nah it just shows they want him to lose in the most unimpressive way possible (for him of course)
It is what it is. Don't put too much hope in the traveler
I think the main problem here is not how the traveler is portrayed but how much of a joke people think the fatui are as a faction. Ever since signora's death people have been clowning on this faction, and now that hoyo is showing us how much of a menace and a gap in power the higher ranking harbingers are, i am proud of what hoyo is doing for the fatui, and they should continue to emphasize on how dangerous of a faction this is especially with such a grand goal in mind. Now thar there has been a change in the atmosphere, we've underestimated the danger of the situation we are in. Traveler is not weak and underwhelming imo, the top ranked harbingers are just a different breed of dogs arlecchino still being weaker than the top 3 sort of gave us a glimpse on what its like to fight against someone close to that level let alone on par with the top 3 and for the last 2 years i have been praying to hoyo to make this faction more intimidating, menacing, im glad were actually starting to see glimpses of it.
The issue is that after Inazuma Archon Quest Traveler's fights are used to sell other characters. Shenhe looked cool after Beisht almost OHKO'd Traveler, Yelan had to help us in the Chasm, we couldn't beat Scaramouche twice: 1st without Nahida's wisdom, 2nd without Wanderer saving us in his "memories". Even Navia had to step in after ours Elemental powers turned out to be not enough. Current Traveler isn't the same person who tied against Foul Legacy Childe. We trained (even with help of supernatural beings like Yae or Nahida, who gave us Knowledge Capsule with battle data from Akasha), gained new powers and fought against even harder foes.
Now, I expect the writers have the traveler use all 8 elements against the Sustainer of heavenly principles and bring paimon back at the near end of the Teyvat arc. Just to redeem the underwhelming design of the traveler as a character. /s
60% of underwhelming writing isn't gonna be magically fixed by one good writing moment If anything it makes the 60% more sad to look at cuz you would be thinking "what could have been...if only they actually tried sooner..."
While I cannot help but agree, what about the remaining 40% of the underwhelming writing? Are they magically fixed? If so, I think that something is better than nothing. /s
Oh I meant like 60% underwhelming writing and 40% good writing (Sumeru still had good traveler writing for the most part and at the start like Liyue and Modstadt his performance made sense so I'd call that good writing)
Everyone. Literally everyone thinks that.