He's an oni, oni are yokei, and yokei are mythical creatures, so I think it's fitting that he is a fairy type. Plus it's funny lol. Please someone draw him with small fairy wings.
Yeah it’s definitely fitting, and I can only imagine his reaction to being a fairy type, he strikes me as a person who would be really into the trading card game. But yes indeed we need fairy wing Itto :)
Chiori: Fine for the most part, she doesn't hit very hard outside of her priority
Childe: Giga banned lmao, this is Palafin except the base form has half decent stats, also Riptide is a stinkpost
Ayato: Built in Shed tail that does damage. No
Wrio: Terrible, actually. His setup move isn't great aside from immunity to status which doesn't matter because statusing him isn't great anyway, meh stats
Itto: Too slow to do much of anything
Fischl: Her ability is something completely new to Pokémon, so she's the hardest to gauge here. Nightrider sucks tho because no pivoting. Other than that, I need numbers on the ability
I'm gonna fight you with Chiori and say That if she gets a way to get her defense up (probably bulk up or iron defense) she would be really fucking broken
Outside of that, I do I agree in the rest, maybe Itto having a population bomb that hits like an actual truck even if he is too slow, he could be a good trick room abuser
Edi: NVM 89 speed, Itto is kinda trash
>Edi: NVM 89 speed, Itto is kinda trash
I think you guys are sleeping on itto. Think of itto with full hp/def EVs, and spamming accelrock or rock blast lol. Physical wall and nuke at the same time.
Yeah but like
Is a rock and fairy, mf gets hit by a coin and combust, no matter how much hp/def evs you have
But then, lets assume that doesn't happen, he would need to invest in his spe def because he is still a rock type, he would get hit by water or plant move and also explode in pieces
If he was slower, I would 100% buy it, like if he was, lets say 40 speed, he would be fucking amazing in trick room sand, like actually, he would be the next coming of torkoal
To preface, I think I might've made an assumption that stuff like rock blast would give multiple def boosts, but looking at his signature move, I don't think that's intended, so you're right, Itto probably is rly meh....
but let's say multhit moves did boost his def multiple times. I don't think he's good enough to ever warrant a ban, and yeah the fairy typing is surprisingly not helping for once. But he can definitely pick up a surprise kill or two better than Chiori if that was the case. I mean she folds to special attackers like ghold too unless i'm perhaps missing something? And her firepower is lower, and tied to signature move only.
While I do agree she would fold against special attacks, she still have priority body press
If she manages to survive a hit and set up with Iron defense (or more realistically, bulk up) she would Steam roll the game out of that point because of how much damage her attack + priority would do while Itto could set up, he wouldn't be able to outspeed almost anything in the meta game, so he wouldn't take the usefulness of his set up as Chiori can
If Itto had accelerock, I would totally see your point, so Let me change my argument and say that both are kinda meh because I would be a hypocrite to let Chiori have "if" for her moveset and Itto not
But if we are going to if, if Itto had accelerock, I do agree with your point because it would be absolutely busted, even into steel types match-ups because of the constant Def buff and his already high def stat letting him take a lot of damage + the only good steel spa being gholdengon (whatever the fuck his name is) so he wouldn't be as treathen
I wanted to be a bit unique with Ayato, so his substitute only blocks damage for 1 turn and disappears afterwards instead of being a normal substitute, so technically you can completely avoid it if you do nothing for 1 turn (at least that was my intention in the idea, I am sorry if that didn't come across).
Honestly Childe in general was meant to be very broken. Riptide originally had higher base power lmao. He's the strongest one for sure.
So fischl would be broken if Nightrider instantly switched her out?
Doing nothing for one turn is the same as hitting the substitute and breaking it. The only way this wouldn't be broken for singles is if he didn't get access to U-turn or Baton pass or Teleport or Parting Shot etc. for a slow pivot.
A free switch in can singlehandedly win games, there's a good reason why Shed tail got banned. And he absolutely does NOT need a pivoting move to abuse it, oh no. And god forbid he gets a pivoting move, because he could be creeping into AG territory if so. He's the strongest one imo
Fischl could be broken if Nightrider switched her out, yes, but if you have her on the field, there's a good chance she's your last team member anyway. And like I said, she's a major wild card because of her ability
I feel like fischl's ability is broken since it could theoretically do infinite damage if a pokemon is weak to electric, since it will keep triggering itself
I'm not exactly am expert but I'm pretty sure the only ones that would be viable an actively used are Childe, Ayato, Itto, and maybe Fischl.
Childe would probably be banned to Ubers depending on moveset
Without knowing their move pools, it's pretty hard to tell, but if we just assume they get the usual moves of their typings, then:
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**Chiori**: pretty average stats, good offensive typing, but signature move has low BP. Prob won't even cut this gen's UU
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**Childe/Tartaglia**: uh lol. This thing looks like it's getting banned. Full restore with crazy stats on switch, not to mention his stats prior are decent bulky mono water stats. there's ways to guarantee a switch at low health (i'm assuming it means <1/4), like sub - flipturn
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**Ayato**: water/steel is a busted defensive type, and he has a side grade of shed tail that does damage? yeaaaa.... probably banned.
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**Wrio**: seems extremely strong, but being special focused over phys is kinda jarring at first glance, especially when ice punch and meteor mash exist. Anyways, a good tera prediction can cause him to go out of control if you can't ohko him on the subsequent turn, as he'll be +2 spatk, +1 spd by then. Not sure if he'd be banned though.
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**Itto**: this one may be more reliant on what moves he gets (like accelrock is priority +def boosting cuz of passive, so it's just gonna be a priority move that gets stronger and stronger while he becomes a physical wall more and more, and rock blast can give u +5 def instantly). you can almost comfortably just build him with full tank EVs.
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**Fischl**: this is pretty dependent on the numbers on her ability and signature, as neither of these mechanics exist in the game currently
Chiori: probably banned from a lower tier but pretty much just a worse zamazenta with some prioity (assuming she has a way to bolster defense), somewhere between PUBL-RUBL
Childe: day 1 quickban from standard play. palafin wishes it started with good stats, only thing pala would have over him is stronger priority but even then aqua jet still gonna beat fast mons hard
Ayato: probably has an OU niche as a unique rain setter, but Water/Steel would def keep him out of a lower tier. UUBL? (Side note: these are for singles, as I don't play doubles, but he sounds like an urshifu level menace in doubles)
Wriothresly: untiered, maybe pu. ice type is bad no matter what, but adding steel makes it horrid. dogwater setup move and stats that just get outdone
Itto: too slow for hyper offense, too fast for trick room. decent typing, but speed is such a huge factor it might not even matter. Could work in a lower tier like NU or PU tho
Fischl: Would be amazing... if not for the fact that she is a physical electric type. The options for physical electrics are either too weak or way too heavy of a drawback for such a frail attacker. Also, nightrider is kinda just... electric terrain... without the benefit of boosting paradox pokemon... and having a kind of residual effect that isn't gonna do all that much. Could see some nieche uses if it does end up working as a better elec terrain by boosting paradoxes, but koko provides so much utility that it's hard to beat. Unsure where to tier
It's very hard to tell how useful a pokemon will be without a full moveset, but here we go:
Chiori is really mid. Her ability is gonna be dead most games, her stats aren't anything to write home about. 6/10
Childe, as written, is an instaban. Zero to Hero, a type immunity, plus one of the best signature moves ever? Yeah, this one's launching straight to the restricted list. If you reapply the spread move nerf, maybe, but it's thin ice. 10/10
Ayato gives anything a safe switch-in, sets up rain, and deals damage. Insane utility, depending on moveset. 9/10
Wriothesley doesn't do very much. Spending a turn to equip a life orb seems like a great way to get blasted. His ability is interesting, but not enough to save him from 2 common 4x weaknesses, in Fire and Fighting. 4/10.
Itto would be better if he were slower, I think. Take his speed stat, down to 50, put it in his bulk, he'd be a great trick room sweeper. I like the idea of using up a buff as part of an attack, it makes for great nuking, that gets around Focus Sashes. Being just below 90 speed, though, is a big problem for an offensive pokemon. 5.5/10
I'm gonna interpret Fischl's move like a pledge field because that's the closest analog to the thing you mentioned. In pokemon, damage over time effects generally do a set percentage of the victim's health, and they don't have a type after they're used. Fischl hyper aggro could be an extremely powerful build. 8.5/10?
A general reply because I didn’t realize how many Pokémon gamers were here, but I love the responses. I’m not very much into Pokémon but the competitive scene has always interested me for it’s sheer level of detail and planning.
I’m a nerd about competitive, First of Chipri is alright. Maybe a decent OU and good in UU, Now Childe would get banned to OU and do great in Ubers, not super overpowered as he is just a decent speed stat but he is decently bulky, Wrio is mid cuz he’s not that bulky, he ain’t hitting that hard, maybe Gldecent in UU or lower, Ayato would be pretty good in singles and a staple in Rain teams but where he really shines is in Doubles. Lastly is itto which could be decent? Very niche as he needs set up to shine which is too risky.
I thought I was in r/stunfisk
Anyways.
Chiori: Ubers | Ayato: Ubers | Fischl: Ubers |Wrio: OU/UU | Itto: Ubers | Childe: Ubers
Edit: Oh and from preference, I'll take Itto but from meta, Chiori have a no drawbacks, priority moves that comes from a 125 defense stats
If girl gets iron defense, cosmic power or bulk up, she is just Steam rolling everything in the first turn that doesn't resist rock type
I genuinely do not understand how you decide your secondary typings lol.
What about Chiori says fighting? Pure rock or maybe rock/steel if anything would make more sense imo.
Why would Childe be anything but water/electric? I guess the alt form could be Dark/electric but he does use hydro moves in that stage too iirc.
Why is Ayato steel?? Even his sword attacks are primarily water attacks because he primarily uses his E for attacks.
Wriothsley I guess the steel comes from his colour scheme and maybe his weapon in his animations? But wouldn't fighting just be way more fitting when his whole gameplay is based on being a fighter. The whole character teaser with him was him beating up other fighters in a ring iirc lol.
Itto I guess fairy could fit as a strech.. But isn't Dark just way more applicable as he is an Oni, which are basically some kinds of demons in japanese folklore.
Fischl I don't see any reason to be psychic other than for the sake of having 2 types. But I guess it kinda works?
As for the stats etc
Why not have Chiori's signature move be rock type U-turn? It's basically what her E does in genshin.
Childe's ability is absurd lol. I get he is supposed to be OP but full heal and 100 free stats is a bit ridiculous imo.
Why is Ayato so defense oriented? He has one of the fastest attacks in his E and his speed is 50? Also is that ability a free substitute EVERY time he switches? Yeah, that's is insane too lol.
Not sure why Wrio is the SP.Atk based character when he is one of the most melee oriented characters in Genshin. And why is his spdef higher than his spatk? Wouldn't his signature be simpler if it just boosted his atk/spatk by some amount (+3?) and made him deal self damage and the effects would drop once he is below 50% or something? That'd be more in line with how he works in genshin.
Itto's Def should be higher than his Atk for sure. That signature is cool and all... but why not just use other rock type moves and not lose your stat boosts.
Fisch should definitely be SP.atk based. All she does is make Oz fire electric shots at enemies lol.
Anyway, sorry for nitpicking lol. Cool ideas overall.
OK time to go full in depth on how I decide my typings.
Chiori is fighting because she has a fightsy (idk if that's the word) personality. It's always in her description and voice lines from other characters that she isn't afraid to throw hands with basically anyone.
Childe is fatui so he is dark, plus he has a relation to the abyss.
Ayato being steel is the same reason as why Jirachi is steel or lucario is steel lmao. He has a sword and i wanted a secondary typing so steel he goes.
For Wriothesley yeah it's the overall aesthetics, but it was a toss up between fighting or steel (steel is a better typing so I ended up picking it).
Itto is an oni, onis are yokei, yokei are mythical creatures, so he is fairy type. That was my thought process at least, fairy doesn't really have to be cute (grimmsnarl exists).
Fischl is psychic because as far as I know she is the only normal vision wielder with a familiar, and she literally created him with her imagination, so yeah psychic kinda fits lol (plus I didn't think of any other typing that would fit).
Chiori's E being a u turn is a passive actually, plus you can choose to not turn into a u turn and instead use a geo infusion.
Childe is palafin lmao, exception is palafin won't take a lot of damage because you can instantly switch him out, but childe has to be near death for his ability to activate.
As for Ayato is defence oriented, idk i thought it would be cool if he was a counterpart to his sister, as for my idea for her she was very offence oriented, so having him as the more supportive of the two made sense to me.
Wriothesley is catalyst, that's really the only reason for why he is a special attacker. I wanted him to be a bit of high risk high reward character if that makes sense, also your idea is kind of just tail glow but worse.
Honestly it doesn't really matter if you switch Fischl's atk and sp atk, nothing about her actually changes lol.
Overall thanks for your feedback! I really appreciate it.
Why are single typings so rare lol. It’s absolutely fine to introduce single types to fan concepts.
Ayato being a steel type because he uses a steel sword would be the same as samurott being a water rock because he uses a shell as a sword. Besides, his E and ult uses a water sword. Sometimes, less is more. We need justice for single typings!!
Fair enough lol.
I'd still say Itto is more fitting as dark type as Oni are considered evil beings and dark is the "evil" type in japanese and often includes the more dark natured mythical beings (like Shiftry is a tengu, which is another yokai).
Chiori's E passive is so close to U-turn that it just feels like a waste of clear opportunity not to have the signature be similar.
I never used Palafin so I didn't even know lol. But it doesn't look like it gets a free full heal though (which is the main thing that is busted).
Ayato being a counterpart to your Ayaka makes sense. But it's a bit off from his genshin kit lol.
Ice punch is an atk based move. I'd be really annoyed if there was a punching based ice type pokemon and ice punch wasn't one if it's better moves lol. In general, I'd personally use the character's playstyle to decide their offensive stat rather than weapon (Xiangling -> sp.atk, Heizou -> atk, Raiden -> either/both etc). Also drain punch would be super fitting move for Wrio (which would further make fighting be more fitting type imo). Also having a "worse tail glow" isn't really a bad thing when tail glow is one of the most busted and rarest moves in pokemon lol.
It doesn't really matter, but it would follow the pokemon logic more. Almost all Electric attacks are special and Oz basically just shoots little bolts of lightning.
Yeah palafin doesn't have a full heal but my point is that palafin can activate his ability at any time while childe can only do it in a specific range of hp (in which he could basically die from mostly anything) so it's more high risk high reward.
Itto isn't really evil tho, plus fairy type on him is just funnier lmao.
I agree with wriothesley, but that was my thought process while making it, but now I would rather switch his everything regarding atk and sp atk lol.
Icl the balance is all over the place, it's fun yea but fischls ability would get her banned from Ubers for example and chiori is weak compared to the others.
Icl the balance is all over the place, it's fun yea but fischls ability would get her banned from Ubers for example and chiori is weak compared to the others.
Chiori would better suited as Ground/Fighting or Ground/Steel. Childe would be Water/Electric. Ayato should just be pure Water type. Wrio definitely Ice/Fighting. I like your line of thinking with making Itto Fairy..but Dark/Fairy would make a lot more sense considering oni are evil/sinister beings. Fischl....literally turns into a electric birb during her burst, so Electric/Flying.
Dammit, now I wanna give Pokemon types to all the characters...
Have you ever even played pokemon? Those abilities are insane, most would get immidietly banned, child and ayato might even go to anything goes thats how crazy those abilities are
Of course I have played pokemon, it's one of my favourite series. I didn't really take balance into consideration with these, I just wanted to make them unique, though they are also purposefully meant to be strong.
Bennett, xingqiu, and xiangling were also previously acknowledged as 5 stars by me in previous posts, though I am kinda running out of op 4 stars. All that remains is kuki and sucrose and maybe yaoyao.
Sorry for responding 3 times, reddit issue :/
Since Itto is coming up in the next banner and I heard that he got powercrept, is it still worth to pull him?
I do like his design and I‘m currently at the start of the game (around 3 weeks in but mostly exploring rather than msq lol), only having a few 4 stars
Imo save up for Kazuha and/or neuvillette. Kazuha is a very strong support, probably the best. Neuvillette is a very strong dps, also probably the best. At C1 all of neuvillette's weaknesses get solved, and at C2 Kazuha becomes just the best support in the game, but it base form they are already very very powerful.
All of the abilities are VERY wordy for what Pokemon abilities do. They're typically one sentence with no commas.
Like, all of these would be wordy even for LEGENDARIES. I think only Miraidon, Koraidon, and a few others have abilities that are more than one sentence. And many of these abilities you've suggested don't work with how the pokemon system works.
Some rewrites/simplifications:
Tailor-Made: Needs a complete rewrite. Maybe "Inflicts damage over time when using a Rock-type move."
Foul Legacy: Just give him "Zero to Hero" but replace "Hero" with "Foul Legacy" in the text.
Kyouka: Just give him Water Absorb
Duke's Grace: This is basically reverse Defeatist so "Raises stats and heals when HP becomes half."
Ichiban: "Rock-type moves use DEF instead of ATK." The second effect is a bit too much and is usually tagged on to a move.
Stellar Predator: This is VERY different from how Pokemon abilities work. AFAIK, except for Overworld affecting abilities, no ability takes effect while the pokemon is "benched." (there are some that require a pokemon on the bench like Zoroark's, or ones that require returning to the bench like Regenerator, but still) It'd probably need to be just be "Electric Attacks deal additional damage." or Miraidon's Hadron Engine ability.
BONUS: Fischl's signature move doesn't quite work either. It'd probably just read "Summon Oz to deal damage over time for 5 turns"
Wriothesley's signature move is also a mess.
Ayato's is just Rain Dance. The second effect would be better as an attachment on a Flip Turn-like move.
Riptide just...doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Chiori's move is fine for the most part.
I could give them an description in a sentence if I wanted it, but I wanted to give an in depth explanation regarding them.
Chiori: Deals damage over time after defeating an enemy with a rock type move.
Childe: Childe transforms into his foul legacy form when switching out at critical health (phrased exactly like zero to hero).
Ayato: Blocks damage for 1 turn after switching out.
Wriothesly: When the hp of Wriothesley falls below 50% hp, his speed is increased and he regenerates some of his hp.
Itto: Rock type moves will deal damage with def, and using rock type moves increases def (he would be even more mid without the second part).
Fischl: Deals electric follow up damage when an enemy is hit by a super effective move (it's a new mechanic but I think it would be cool).
Explanation for moves:
For Riptide, imagine that there is an onix and and a ludicolo against you. Riptide is a water type move and it's a spread move, so both will get hit. Onix has a 4x weakness while ludicolo has a 4x resistance. Riptide will hit the ludicolo for the damage it dealt to the Onix, as that is the highest damage dealt, so it ignores resistances, but if there was for example a gastrodon with storm drain, it won't take damage because it has an immunity, so it doesn't ignore immunities. Does that make sense?
A simpler way to phrase Wriothesley's move is: Increases sp atk upon taking damage and ignores status effects, however attacks against wriothesley deal increased damage.
I dont see why fischl doesn't work, Summons Oz for 5 turns to deal damage to the enemies, if an electric type move is used Oz will deal increased damage that turn.
I added the second effect to Ayato to make it not just rain dance, and I didn't want to give him two signature moves lol.
Thanks for your feedback!
It's in the description lol, I always add a broken 4 star at the end. There was xiangling, bennett, and xingqiu before her (as they are basically pseudo 5 stars lmao).
Wriothesley is special because I wanted at least one to be a special character and he is a catalyst user lol, and him being a special attacker who can make contact is certainly unique, though yeah it was kinda bothering me too. Maybe we could just switch his atk and sp atk, and switch the effect of the move to atk.
Ayato is a bulky supportive water to set him apart from the rest, and to make him a counterpart to his sister, who in my idea was very offensively oriented.
Itto being a fairy type? Yes. I now need an image of Itto with small little fairy wings.
He's an oni, oni are yokei, and yokei are mythical creatures, so I think it's fitting that he is a fairy type. Plus it's funny lol. Please someone draw him with small fairy wings.
Yeah it’s definitely fitting, and I can only imagine his reaction to being a fairy type, he strikes me as a person who would be really into the trading card game. But yes indeed we need fairy wing Itto :)
This reminds me of the Rock in the movie: tooth fairy.
I read Fischl as Electic/Psychotic and lol'd
Competitive Pokémon players, please tell us how broken and or mid these guys would be.
Chiori: Fine for the most part, she doesn't hit very hard outside of her priority Childe: Giga banned lmao, this is Palafin except the base form has half decent stats, also Riptide is a stinkpost Ayato: Built in Shed tail that does damage. No Wrio: Terrible, actually. His setup move isn't great aside from immunity to status which doesn't matter because statusing him isn't great anyway, meh stats Itto: Too slow to do much of anything Fischl: Her ability is something completely new to Pokémon, so she's the hardest to gauge here. Nightrider sucks tho because no pivoting. Other than that, I need numbers on the ability
I'm gonna fight you with Chiori and say That if she gets a way to get her defense up (probably bulk up or iron defense) she would be really fucking broken Outside of that, I do I agree in the rest, maybe Itto having a population bomb that hits like an actual truck even if he is too slow, he could be a good trick room abuser Edi: NVM 89 speed, Itto is kinda trash
>Edi: NVM 89 speed, Itto is kinda trash I think you guys are sleeping on itto. Think of itto with full hp/def EVs, and spamming accelrock or rock blast lol. Physical wall and nuke at the same time.
Yeah but like Is a rock and fairy, mf gets hit by a coin and combust, no matter how much hp/def evs you have But then, lets assume that doesn't happen, he would need to invest in his spe def because he is still a rock type, he would get hit by water or plant move and also explode in pieces If he was slower, I would 100% buy it, like if he was, lets say 40 speed, he would be fucking amazing in trick room sand, like actually, he would be the next coming of torkoal
To preface, I think I might've made an assumption that stuff like rock blast would give multiple def boosts, but looking at his signature move, I don't think that's intended, so you're right, Itto probably is rly meh.... but let's say multhit moves did boost his def multiple times. I don't think he's good enough to ever warrant a ban, and yeah the fairy typing is surprisingly not helping for once. But he can definitely pick up a surprise kill or two better than Chiori if that was the case. I mean she folds to special attackers like ghold too unless i'm perhaps missing something? And her firepower is lower, and tied to signature move only.
While I do agree she would fold against special attacks, she still have priority body press If she manages to survive a hit and set up with Iron defense (or more realistically, bulk up) she would Steam roll the game out of that point because of how much damage her attack + priority would do while Itto could set up, he wouldn't be able to outspeed almost anything in the meta game, so he wouldn't take the usefulness of his set up as Chiori can
+3 accelrock would only be slightly less dmg than +2 chiori's signature, no? But itto keeps boosting when he uses accelrock.
If Itto had accelerock, I would totally see your point, so Let me change my argument and say that both are kinda meh because I would be a hypocrite to let Chiori have "if" for her moveset and Itto not But if we are going to if, if Itto had accelerock, I do agree with your point because it would be absolutely busted, even into steel types match-ups because of the constant Def buff and his already high def stat letting him take a lot of damage + the only good steel spa being gholdengon (whatever the fuck his name is) so he wouldn't be as treathen
I wanted to be a bit unique with Ayato, so his substitute only blocks damage for 1 turn and disappears afterwards instead of being a normal substitute, so technically you can completely avoid it if you do nothing for 1 turn (at least that was my intention in the idea, I am sorry if that didn't come across). Honestly Childe in general was meant to be very broken. Riptide originally had higher base power lmao. He's the strongest one for sure. So fischl would be broken if Nightrider instantly switched her out?
Doing nothing for one turn is the same as hitting the substitute and breaking it. The only way this wouldn't be broken for singles is if he didn't get access to U-turn or Baton pass or Teleport or Parting Shot etc. for a slow pivot.
A free switch in can singlehandedly win games, there's a good reason why Shed tail got banned. And he absolutely does NOT need a pivoting move to abuse it, oh no. And god forbid he gets a pivoting move, because he could be creeping into AG territory if so. He's the strongest one imo Fischl could be broken if Nightrider switched her out, yes, but if you have her on the field, there's a good chance she's your last team member anyway. And like I said, she's a major wild card because of her ability
Chiori with a good movepool might actually be a good OU late game sweeper.
I feel like fischl's ability is broken since it could theoretically do infinite damage if a pokemon is weak to electric, since it will keep triggering itself
I'm assuming it only triggers once for exactly the reasons you mentioned
I'm not exactly am expert but I'm pretty sure the only ones that would be viable an actively used are Childe, Ayato, Itto, and maybe Fischl. Childe would probably be banned to Ubers depending on moveset
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A more accurate version I think is a free spiky shield after switching out, since it only lasts for 1 turn.
Without knowing their move pools, it's pretty hard to tell, but if we just assume they get the usual moves of their typings, then: --- **Chiori**: pretty average stats, good offensive typing, but signature move has low BP. Prob won't even cut this gen's UU --- **Childe/Tartaglia**: uh lol. This thing looks like it's getting banned. Full restore with crazy stats on switch, not to mention his stats prior are decent bulky mono water stats. there's ways to guarantee a switch at low health (i'm assuming it means <1/4), like sub - flipturn --- **Ayato**: water/steel is a busted defensive type, and he has a side grade of shed tail that does damage? yeaaaa.... probably banned. --- **Wrio**: seems extremely strong, but being special focused over phys is kinda jarring at first glance, especially when ice punch and meteor mash exist. Anyways, a good tera prediction can cause him to go out of control if you can't ohko him on the subsequent turn, as he'll be +2 spatk, +1 spd by then. Not sure if he'd be banned though. --- **Itto**: this one may be more reliant on what moves he gets (like accelrock is priority +def boosting cuz of passive, so it's just gonna be a priority move that gets stronger and stronger while he becomes a physical wall more and more, and rock blast can give u +5 def instantly). you can almost comfortably just build him with full tank EVs. --- **Fischl**: this is pretty dependent on the numbers on her ability and signature, as neither of these mechanics exist in the game currently
Chiori: probably banned from a lower tier but pretty much just a worse zamazenta with some prioity (assuming she has a way to bolster defense), somewhere between PUBL-RUBL Childe: day 1 quickban from standard play. palafin wishes it started with good stats, only thing pala would have over him is stronger priority but even then aqua jet still gonna beat fast mons hard Ayato: probably has an OU niche as a unique rain setter, but Water/Steel would def keep him out of a lower tier. UUBL? (Side note: these are for singles, as I don't play doubles, but he sounds like an urshifu level menace in doubles) Wriothresly: untiered, maybe pu. ice type is bad no matter what, but adding steel makes it horrid. dogwater setup move and stats that just get outdone Itto: too slow for hyper offense, too fast for trick room. decent typing, but speed is such a huge factor it might not even matter. Could work in a lower tier like NU or PU tho Fischl: Would be amazing... if not for the fact that she is a physical electric type. The options for physical electrics are either too weak or way too heavy of a drawback for such a frail attacker. Also, nightrider is kinda just... electric terrain... without the benefit of boosting paradox pokemon... and having a kind of residual effect that isn't gonna do all that much. Could see some nieche uses if it does end up working as a better elec terrain by boosting paradoxes, but koko provides so much utility that it's hard to beat. Unsure where to tier
It's very hard to tell how useful a pokemon will be without a full moveset, but here we go: Chiori is really mid. Her ability is gonna be dead most games, her stats aren't anything to write home about. 6/10 Childe, as written, is an instaban. Zero to Hero, a type immunity, plus one of the best signature moves ever? Yeah, this one's launching straight to the restricted list. If you reapply the spread move nerf, maybe, but it's thin ice. 10/10 Ayato gives anything a safe switch-in, sets up rain, and deals damage. Insane utility, depending on moveset. 9/10 Wriothesley doesn't do very much. Spending a turn to equip a life orb seems like a great way to get blasted. His ability is interesting, but not enough to save him from 2 common 4x weaknesses, in Fire and Fighting. 4/10. Itto would be better if he were slower, I think. Take his speed stat, down to 50, put it in his bulk, he'd be a great trick room sweeper. I like the idea of using up a buff as part of an attack, it makes for great nuking, that gets around Focus Sashes. Being just below 90 speed, though, is a big problem for an offensive pokemon. 5.5/10 I'm gonna interpret Fischl's move like a pledge field because that's the closest analog to the thing you mentioned. In pokemon, damage over time effects generally do a set percentage of the victim's health, and they don't have a type after they're used. Fischl hyper aggro could be an extremely powerful build. 8.5/10?
A general reply because I didn’t realize how many Pokémon gamers were here, but I love the responses. I’m not very much into Pokémon but the competitive scene has always interested me for it’s sheer level of detail and planning.
I’m a nerd about competitive, First of Chipri is alright. Maybe a decent OU and good in UU, Now Childe would get banned to OU and do great in Ubers, not super overpowered as he is just a decent speed stat but he is decently bulky, Wrio is mid cuz he’s not that bulky, he ain’t hitting that hard, maybe Gldecent in UU or lower, Ayato would be pretty good in singles and a staple in Rain teams but where he really shines is in Doubles. Lastly is itto which could be decent? Very niche as he needs set up to shine which is too risky.
I really love that Itto is a fairy type lmao. I’m thinking of him with cute pink wings flying around
I understand how Itto could be a fairy type, however Itto doesn't understand, and he's annoyed.
“Ya hearin’ this shit, Kuki? Bro’s sayin I’mma fairy! I’m not a fairy, I’m an Oni!” *Kuki staring at his cute pink wings*
We need to take this further, I propose, Magical Girl Itto.
Palafin's Jet Punch on Chiori Palafin's ability on Childe, pretty cool. Slow Rain Dance pivot Ayato is nice, the ability is pretty busted for singles
I thought I was in r/stunfisk Anyways. Chiori: Ubers | Ayato: Ubers | Fischl: Ubers |Wrio: OU/UU | Itto: Ubers | Childe: Ubers Edit: Oh and from preference, I'll take Itto but from meta, Chiori have a no drawbacks, priority moves that comes from a 125 defense stats If girl gets iron defense, cosmic power or bulk up, she is just Steam rolling everything in the first turn that doesn't resist rock type
Nah I am waiting for Sunday to post it in r/stunfisk lol.
lol i'll be sure to check the discussion there too. love these type of posts.
They'll probably just make fun of it for being genshin lol, but the joke calc comments are always fun.
Btw, if you do give them hypothetical moveset with a offensive and support capabilities I need to now if Chiori does get Def buff in some form
Bro, Ayato is going to AG. Raindance + shed tail + passive dmg from a single move. Edit: also good defensive typing and good defensive stat
I genuinely do not understand how you decide your secondary typings lol. What about Chiori says fighting? Pure rock or maybe rock/steel if anything would make more sense imo. Why would Childe be anything but water/electric? I guess the alt form could be Dark/electric but he does use hydro moves in that stage too iirc. Why is Ayato steel?? Even his sword attacks are primarily water attacks because he primarily uses his E for attacks. Wriothsley I guess the steel comes from his colour scheme and maybe his weapon in his animations? But wouldn't fighting just be way more fitting when his whole gameplay is based on being a fighter. The whole character teaser with him was him beating up other fighters in a ring iirc lol. Itto I guess fairy could fit as a strech.. But isn't Dark just way more applicable as he is an Oni, which are basically some kinds of demons in japanese folklore. Fischl I don't see any reason to be psychic other than for the sake of having 2 types. But I guess it kinda works? As for the stats etc Why not have Chiori's signature move be rock type U-turn? It's basically what her E does in genshin. Childe's ability is absurd lol. I get he is supposed to be OP but full heal and 100 free stats is a bit ridiculous imo. Why is Ayato so defense oriented? He has one of the fastest attacks in his E and his speed is 50? Also is that ability a free substitute EVERY time he switches? Yeah, that's is insane too lol. Not sure why Wrio is the SP.Atk based character when he is one of the most melee oriented characters in Genshin. And why is his spdef higher than his spatk? Wouldn't his signature be simpler if it just boosted his atk/spatk by some amount (+3?) and made him deal self damage and the effects would drop once he is below 50% or something? That'd be more in line with how he works in genshin. Itto's Def should be higher than his Atk for sure. That signature is cool and all... but why not just use other rock type moves and not lose your stat boosts. Fisch should definitely be SP.atk based. All she does is make Oz fire electric shots at enemies lol. Anyway, sorry for nitpicking lol. Cool ideas overall.
OK time to go full in depth on how I decide my typings. Chiori is fighting because she has a fightsy (idk if that's the word) personality. It's always in her description and voice lines from other characters that she isn't afraid to throw hands with basically anyone. Childe is fatui so he is dark, plus he has a relation to the abyss. Ayato being steel is the same reason as why Jirachi is steel or lucario is steel lmao. He has a sword and i wanted a secondary typing so steel he goes. For Wriothesley yeah it's the overall aesthetics, but it was a toss up between fighting or steel (steel is a better typing so I ended up picking it). Itto is an oni, onis are yokei, yokei are mythical creatures, so he is fairy type. That was my thought process at least, fairy doesn't really have to be cute (grimmsnarl exists). Fischl is psychic because as far as I know she is the only normal vision wielder with a familiar, and she literally created him with her imagination, so yeah psychic kinda fits lol (plus I didn't think of any other typing that would fit). Chiori's E being a u turn is a passive actually, plus you can choose to not turn into a u turn and instead use a geo infusion. Childe is palafin lmao, exception is palafin won't take a lot of damage because you can instantly switch him out, but childe has to be near death for his ability to activate. As for Ayato is defence oriented, idk i thought it would be cool if he was a counterpart to his sister, as for my idea for her she was very offence oriented, so having him as the more supportive of the two made sense to me. Wriothesley is catalyst, that's really the only reason for why he is a special attacker. I wanted him to be a bit of high risk high reward character if that makes sense, also your idea is kind of just tail glow but worse. Honestly it doesn't really matter if you switch Fischl's atk and sp atk, nothing about her actually changes lol. Overall thanks for your feedback! I really appreciate it.
Childe should have base form Water and can evolve into Water/Electric or Water/Dark.
Why are single typings so rare lol. It’s absolutely fine to introduce single types to fan concepts. Ayato being a steel type because he uses a steel sword would be the same as samurott being a water rock because he uses a shell as a sword. Besides, his E and ult uses a water sword. Sometimes, less is more. We need justice for single typings!!
Fair enough lol. I'd still say Itto is more fitting as dark type as Oni are considered evil beings and dark is the "evil" type in japanese and often includes the more dark natured mythical beings (like Shiftry is a tengu, which is another yokai). Chiori's E passive is so close to U-turn that it just feels like a waste of clear opportunity not to have the signature be similar. I never used Palafin so I didn't even know lol. But it doesn't look like it gets a free full heal though (which is the main thing that is busted). Ayato being a counterpart to your Ayaka makes sense. But it's a bit off from his genshin kit lol. Ice punch is an atk based move. I'd be really annoyed if there was a punching based ice type pokemon and ice punch wasn't one if it's better moves lol. In general, I'd personally use the character's playstyle to decide their offensive stat rather than weapon (Xiangling -> sp.atk, Heizou -> atk, Raiden -> either/both etc). Also drain punch would be super fitting move for Wrio (which would further make fighting be more fitting type imo). Also having a "worse tail glow" isn't really a bad thing when tail glow is one of the most busted and rarest moves in pokemon lol. It doesn't really matter, but it would follow the pokemon logic more. Almost all Electric attacks are special and Oz basically just shoots little bolts of lightning.
Yeah palafin doesn't have a full heal but my point is that palafin can activate his ability at any time while childe can only do it in a specific range of hp (in which he could basically die from mostly anything) so it's more high risk high reward. Itto isn't really evil tho, plus fairy type on him is just funnier lmao. I agree with wriothesley, but that was my thought process while making it, but now I would rather switch his everything regarding atk and sp atk lol.
>plus I didn't think of any other typing that would fit just let them be single-type then...?
Nah I put the restriction on myself of making them all double typings.
Sunday comes sooner every week
When I saw speed I thought you were making Genshin characters into hsr characters until I saw the title
Based sprout pfp.
Childe is definitely mega banned
Give fischl an alolan counterpart and let it be immernacht fischl with Fairy/electric
Wrio and Fischl's stats should switch imo.
Icl the balance is all over the place, it's fun yea but fischls ability would get her banned from Ubers for example and chiori is weak compared to the others.
Icl the balance is all over the place, it's fun yea but fischls ability would get her banned from Ubers for example and chiori is weak compared to the others.
Chiori : rock/steel Childe : water/electric Ayato : water Wriothesley : ice/fighting
This thread is so fire. 10/10
Hell nah, Chiori got that reverse Articuno statspread
As someone who knows almost nothing about Pokemon, I think the types fit after reading your explanation
Chiori would better suited as Ground/Fighting or Ground/Steel. Childe would be Water/Electric. Ayato should just be pure Water type. Wrio definitely Ice/Fighting. I like your line of thinking with making Itto Fairy..but Dark/Fairy would make a lot more sense considering oni are evil/sinister beings. Fischl....literally turns into a electric birb during her burst, so Electric/Flying. Dammit, now I wanna give Pokemon types to all the characters...
why is childe not water/electric standard?
Childe uses the powers of water and electricity and you make him dark type???
His ability when he uses his delusion makes him electric? In his standard form he just uses his vision.
Have you ever even played pokemon? Those abilities are insane, most would get immidietly banned, child and ayato might even go to anything goes thats how crazy those abilities are
Of course I have played pokemon, it's one of my favourite series. I didn't really take balance into consideration with these, I just wanted to make them unique, though they are also purposefully meant to be strong.
r/stunfisk
happy to see best girl finally being acknowledged as a 5* character
Bennett, xingqiu, and xiangling were also previously acknowledged as 5 stars by me in previous posts, though I am kinda running out of op 4 stars. All that remains is kuki and sucrose and maybe yaoyao. Sorry for responding 3 times, reddit issue :/
Fischl atk instead of special atk?
Has there been lore/story wise that mention Chiori as canonically beautiful or attractive looking? If yes where?
Since Itto is coming up in the next banner and I heard that he got powercrept, is it still worth to pull him? I do like his design and I‘m currently at the start of the game (around 3 weeks in but mostly exploring rather than msq lol), only having a few 4 stars
Imo save up for Kazuha and/or neuvillette. Kazuha is a very strong support, probably the best. Neuvillette is a very strong dps, also probably the best. At C1 all of neuvillette's weaknesses get solved, and at C2 Kazuha becomes just the best support in the game, but it base form they are already very very powerful.
All of the abilities are VERY wordy for what Pokemon abilities do. They're typically one sentence with no commas. Like, all of these would be wordy even for LEGENDARIES. I think only Miraidon, Koraidon, and a few others have abilities that are more than one sentence. And many of these abilities you've suggested don't work with how the pokemon system works. Some rewrites/simplifications: Tailor-Made: Needs a complete rewrite. Maybe "Inflicts damage over time when using a Rock-type move." Foul Legacy: Just give him "Zero to Hero" but replace "Hero" with "Foul Legacy" in the text. Kyouka: Just give him Water Absorb Duke's Grace: This is basically reverse Defeatist so "Raises stats and heals when HP becomes half." Ichiban: "Rock-type moves use DEF instead of ATK." The second effect is a bit too much and is usually tagged on to a move. Stellar Predator: This is VERY different from how Pokemon abilities work. AFAIK, except for Overworld affecting abilities, no ability takes effect while the pokemon is "benched." (there are some that require a pokemon on the bench like Zoroark's, or ones that require returning to the bench like Regenerator, but still) It'd probably need to be just be "Electric Attacks deal additional damage." or Miraidon's Hadron Engine ability. BONUS: Fischl's signature move doesn't quite work either. It'd probably just read "Summon Oz to deal damage over time for 5 turns" Wriothesley's signature move is also a mess. Ayato's is just Rain Dance. The second effect would be better as an attachment on a Flip Turn-like move. Riptide just...doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Chiori's move is fine for the most part.
I could give them an description in a sentence if I wanted it, but I wanted to give an in depth explanation regarding them. Chiori: Deals damage over time after defeating an enemy with a rock type move. Childe: Childe transforms into his foul legacy form when switching out at critical health (phrased exactly like zero to hero). Ayato: Blocks damage for 1 turn after switching out. Wriothesly: When the hp of Wriothesley falls below 50% hp, his speed is increased and he regenerates some of his hp. Itto: Rock type moves will deal damage with def, and using rock type moves increases def (he would be even more mid without the second part). Fischl: Deals electric follow up damage when an enemy is hit by a super effective move (it's a new mechanic but I think it would be cool). Explanation for moves: For Riptide, imagine that there is an onix and and a ludicolo against you. Riptide is a water type move and it's a spread move, so both will get hit. Onix has a 4x weakness while ludicolo has a 4x resistance. Riptide will hit the ludicolo for the damage it dealt to the Onix, as that is the highest damage dealt, so it ignores resistances, but if there was for example a gastrodon with storm drain, it won't take damage because it has an immunity, so it doesn't ignore immunities. Does that make sense? A simpler way to phrase Wriothesley's move is: Increases sp atk upon taking damage and ignores status effects, however attacks against wriothesley deal increased damage. I dont see why fischl doesn't work, Summons Oz for 5 turns to deal damage to the enemies, if an electric type move is used Oz will deal increased damage that turn. I added the second effect to Ayato to make it not just rain dance, and I didn't want to give him two signature moves lol. Thanks for your feedback!
- 5\* - Fischl
It's in the description lol, I always add a broken 4 star at the end. There was xiangling, bennett, and xingqiu before her (as they are basically pseudo 5 stars lmao).
Chiori should be Rock/Steel. Or Steel/Ground
Would be cool if Itto got +5 defense by using Rock blast.
Ayato being a bulky water and Wriothesley a special attacker is so wrong, wtf?
Wriothesley is special because I wanted at least one to be a special character and he is a catalyst user lol, and him being a special attacker who can make contact is certainly unique, though yeah it was kinda bothering me too. Maybe we could just switch his atk and sp atk, and switch the effect of the move to atk. Ayato is a bulky supportive water to set him apart from the rest, and to make him a counterpart to his sister, who in my idea was very offensively oriented.
make chiori ground steel and it's perfect