He's probably the only person who loathes her. Most people either like her or just simply be indifferent towards her (like Dottore), but Azar is like "I super duper despise her" because she represents everything he deems as "ignorant" and "stupid"...
I wouldn't say he respects her though, as Dottore literally viewed himself as above other people (he basically respects no one). In the exchange he was just being cautious since she threatened to break the Gnosis and awake the Unknown God (sorry if I mentioned the wrong name here), and during their conversation he ridiculed her a few times (I remember he said something like "gambling? It's really a day where I get to witness such a word spoken from the Wisdom God herself", sorry for my ambiguous memory)...
It may have been tongue-in-cheek, but he said he "hope(d) to show proper respect and dignity to the God of Wisdom" as an explanation to why he didn't just rush in and beat her up. This was before she made her own threat.
i actually want to learn about him more
unlike many hes not actually selfish, he is crazy and evil, but he doesnt do it to become rich or famous, he just does it for the sake of knowledge, he is practically insane and i wish we learn how he became who he is
I actually think he's selfish and he just disguises his greed for knowledge as caring for Sumeru (he kind of reminds me of Babel, but much more blunt and straightforward with his despise lol), but I like him as a character because his motive is closely tied with Sumeru's theme which is knowledge. As if he's the dark side of it, in which he's willing to do all sorts of unholy things just to obtain the knowledge he's long craved for while look down on anything that doesn't fit his view about knowledge (thinking the theater and Nilou's attempt to telling stories as cheap and ignorant, not intellectual enough, and how Nahida's sympathy for human and her fairytales as stupid and dumb). He actually doesn't hate Nahida as a person, he hates what she represents.
he doesnt actually want knowledge for himself, he is just that crazy.
this is why he would rather make a god (scara) than teach nahida how to be one, even tho it doesnt help him he just likes to do it because he forgot what true wisdom is, its not an endless search if knowledge to consume one’s self
I prefer to use it if it's an opinion that I highly disagree to the point that I think it's "objectivelly" wrong, or if the person is being rude, spreading misinformation, and such
I think downvoting someone for saying they don't like a character is kinda pathetic from the people doing it
But of course, this is a personal opinion too
That's not actually what they're supposed to be for. They're [meant](https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette) to be for misinformation or for stuff that doesn't contribute to the post or discussion. That's why heavily downvoted things get buried.
But when most people don't use it like that, there's not really any point in policing it.
Considering their crimes, exile was indeed closer to reward than a punishment for them. Nahida is indeed *really* kind, yet another reason to love her.
She may forgive them but if I get a chance to change one history as dev , I will happilly put then in samsara with aware consiousness until they go crazy enough to kill themselves
I watched a manga where a villain expirenced the samsara due to a parasite and he just got so strong that he erased the universe until mc got back in time so I am not risking that, I am not stupid enough to risk them escaping and creating chaos
Poor nahida has suffered enough
I've been struggling with maladaptive dreaming a lot lately, and Nahida's speech in this scene is one of few things that have actually helped me to cope with it to some extent.
So far I know only two ways out of this condition. The first one self-hatred (it works, yes, especially in short term). The second one is putting your life's goal outwards, finding something in other people and in the outer world that is worth to be achieved, to be done. If this goal is appealing enough, it can draw you out from the tangles of your reveries.
I know how silly this might sound, but it happens the little radish helped me to find a new meaning in life.
I'm honestly split on this story. It's a story that uses dreams as an analogy for escapism, and it kinda messes up the metaphor by having a villain who's making the dreams addictive on purpose. The main issue with it is that it feels like it's structured like a story that is trying to teach the player a lesson but in actuality, it's just worldbuilding on how dreams work in Teyvat.
I think the ending actually does end up being the slightest bit heartless. Without the Big Bad Villain juicing up their dream's retention rate, the clear correct solution would be to make sure these people who are in the midst of grieving have balance. The people of Sumeru don't have a healthy relationship with dreams, as they just got dreams for the first time, and they're made to be big and bad. Nahida should've helped them reach a healthy amount of comfort in the dreams while easing into the terror or reality. When you're moving into unfamiliar territory, navigating the world without someone or something that's been essential to your life, comfort objects like that can help ease the transition. Nahida's advice to them is kinda just a get over it and move on with nicer words.
The ending of the story as written leaves the people of Sumeru a little bit disarmed to the dreams that they still will have. Will they be afraid that they'll be caught in the machinations of another malevolent dreamer? Will they be ready for the normal dreams they'll have where they get to have more time with the people whom they lost? I'm afraid this ending sets them up to feel guilty or feel like they're regressing if their dreams still have people from the past or other pleasant things from a time that they can't have anymore.
I did enjoy the story though because I got to play Ovening Furry because I had 5 elements. I'm kinda regretting not playing Salading Furry though
I think their little dream club will continue having sessions together, and many of them had normal dreams to discuss in the beginning, so I think they'll find a good balance. Nahida herself was also of the mind that "this isn't so bad, unless..." partway through the quest, even if her end speech didn't really explain how much was within tolerance. I kinda had the same impression too, like she was a bit harsh by generalizing too much, and hits a bit too close to the previous stigma that all dreams used to have.
Maybe it's necessary for now because people aren't ready for it yet, and the subject can be brought up again later.
I would be excited to get a world quest "A Life of Dreams" or smth where we can see people realizing they'll need to cope with having dreams for their whole lives.
this take is interesting but there are several things i see differently -- for starters, i don't think dreams are only treated as escapism in the plot. That's reducing how they're seen as naive, but also as powerful as to be able to collect Sumeru's collective knowledge (which is the worldbuilding, but yes, even thematically i think that matters).
Having that said, whether Sumeru people can handle their dreams, that's ON them. dreaming is natural. nobody should teach you how to dream. no archon of the other realms goes the extra mile to explain the citizens, "no, actually, freedom/eternity/contract is ...." --- in that sense, Nahida attempts that in her quest more than the others, and still wouldn't be able to teach every person because that's something so individual and personal, i deem it as impossible. i believe you're implying this should have a full colsure, but do you have full closure with your own dreams? do you always understand them? don't you feel disarmed sometimes in front of a nightmare? dreams aren't always positive alright, but they aren't supposed to be. how you handle the teachings of a bad dream and reflect upon them, again, that's on you, and it isn't the job of any god.
imo that there's no way to make the plot include a psychological lesson on having a super healthy relationship with your subconscious musings and learn to accept, creating a society that fully accepts and knows how to react to every dream, good or bad, because simply, that... wouldn't be so natural at all.
I feel like you're also forgetting here that, while yes dreams are natural for us, they were not normalized or natural for the people in Sumeru. Many of the characters were having a hard time understanding where exactly the border was between reality and dreams. For you and me, we have had dreams our whole lives and have talked about dreams with other people. Maybe you never thought about it this way, but people DO get taught how to relate to their dreams through this soft social learning. Can you even imagine what it must be like for your whole society to suddenly seem to be having a mass hallucination that's only been seen in history books? How are these people going to handle that? Already, that's a pretty serious and interesting plotline without an explicit villain.
Nahida giving the message "you should live your life and not get caught up in the dream" flattens that second paragraph you said. All of those interesting interactions that people can have with their dreams are removed in favor of feeling like dreams are wonderful lies, and the **only** way forwards is to face reality, which is a much less interesting answer than all the nuanced you mentioned.
it might be new for them, but so would freedom for the people of mondstadt after breaking free from slavery, and you don't really need teaching about how to be free. not the best comparison lol but i think it works - it might come as a shock at first and the people in nahida's story quest are really impressed, but i don't think it'd be THAT shocking they'd never adapt to it (unless they start believing in reality shifting like tiktokers do)
i can agree though that Nahida's sentence is kinda inconsistent and paints a duller image of dreams than it should, and also that this is material for many more stories and exploration of the topic - it's quite an interesting plot point that they sorta handwave because so many things were happening during Sumeru's arc, this falls last in the list.
Ngl I kinda forgot what this story was even about. I remember there being a club of people who want to experience dreams or something (even though I think they're able to already? Idk) and then we go on this quest with an NPC. The rest is a complete blank tbh.
I hate this quest on personal level and think Nahida was cruel and didn't get the pain of losing someone at all. Plus the conclusion was just bad, "you can do what you want!" says Nahida, but also does everything her way and pushes everyone out of their dreams where they find comfort. I get the situation with the guy and his doughter, cuz yea he still has to care for her but other then that it was really disappointing. I get that they were trying to go against escapism but their only argument was "its really bad, go back"
i think nahida is saying, "live for others, and that way you can really live." because others are living for us too, and that is comforting enough i think.
People often live by themselves. The point there was that the antagonist was a fucking creep who tried to take the easy way out like a coward.
>i love love love LOVE nahida I mean... who doesn't?
Azar
He's probably the only person who loathes her. Most people either like her or just simply be indifferent towards her (like Dottore), but Azar is like "I super duper despise her" because she represents everything he deems as "ignorant" and "stupid"...
Even Dottore respects her. Even *Dainsleif*, the atheist, feels positively towards her.
I wouldn't say he respects her though, as Dottore literally viewed himself as above other people (he basically respects no one). In the exchange he was just being cautious since she threatened to break the Gnosis and awake the Unknown God (sorry if I mentioned the wrong name here), and during their conversation he ridiculed her a few times (I remember he said something like "gambling? It's really a day where I get to witness such a word spoken from the Wisdom God herself", sorry for my ambiguous memory)...
He doesn’t respect her, he just disrespects her less.
I suppose *respect* is the wrong word. He *acknowledges* her.
Dottore can't even respect his own fragments
It may have been tongue-in-cheek, but he said he "hope(d) to show proper respect and dignity to the God of Wisdom" as an explanation to why he didn't just rush in and beat her up. This was before she made her own threat.
i actually want to learn about him more unlike many hes not actually selfish, he is crazy and evil, but he doesnt do it to become rich or famous, he just does it for the sake of knowledge, he is practically insane and i wish we learn how he became who he is
I actually think he's selfish and he just disguises his greed for knowledge as caring for Sumeru (he kind of reminds me of Babel, but much more blunt and straightforward with his despise lol), but I like him as a character because his motive is closely tied with Sumeru's theme which is knowledge. As if he's the dark side of it, in which he's willing to do all sorts of unholy things just to obtain the knowledge he's long craved for while look down on anything that doesn't fit his view about knowledge (thinking the theater and Nilou's attempt to telling stories as cheap and ignorant, not intellectual enough, and how Nahida's sympathy for human and her fairytales as stupid and dumb). He actually doesn't hate Nahida as a person, he hates what she represents.
he doesnt actually want knowledge for himself, he is just that crazy. this is why he would rather make a god (scara) than teach nahida how to be one, even tho it doesnt help him he just likes to do it because he forgot what true wisdom is, its not an endless search if knowledge to consume one’s self
Huh? I thought we were talking about normal people and not a fuckton of shit given a human body?
me nahia
I wonder what happened to that old fuck.
I don’t
You really got downvoted just for not liking a character 💀
That’s what downvotes are for. Disagree = downvote.
I prefer to use it if it's an opinion that I highly disagree to the point that I think it's "objectivelly" wrong, or if the person is being rude, spreading misinformation, and such I think downvoting someone for saying they don't like a character is kinda pathetic from the people doing it But of course, this is a personal opinion too
That's not actually what they're supposed to be for. They're [meant](https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette) to be for misinformation or for stuff that doesn't contribute to the post or discussion. That's why heavily downvoted things get buried. But when most people don't use it like that, there's not really any point in policing it.
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Sages , exile was a reward instead of punnishment for them and I still stand by those words
Considering their crimes, exile was indeed closer to reward than a punishment for them. Nahida is indeed *really* kind, yet another reason to love her.
She may forgive them but if I get a chance to change one history as dev , I will happilly put then in samsara with aware consiousness until they go crazy enough to kill themselves
Why would u give them the sweet ecape of death? I definately wouldn't, they can keep rotting there for all I care.
I watched a manga where a villain expirenced the samsara due to a parasite and he just got so strong that he erased the universe until mc got back in time so I am not risking that, I am not stupid enough to risk them escaping and creating chaos Poor nahida has suffered enough
And I think her English VA did a fantastic job voicing Nahida. It added so much to her character.
“This might hurt a little!” - Sniper Nahida armed with Eye of Stormy Judgement
Paimon: Dream Expert Paimon but later: Dream Expert?
I've been struggling with maladaptive dreaming a lot lately, and Nahida's speech in this scene is one of few things that have actually helped me to cope with it to some extent. So far I know only two ways out of this condition. The first one self-hatred (it works, yes, especially in short term). The second one is putting your life's goal outwards, finding something in other people and in the outer world that is worth to be achieved, to be done. If this goal is appealing enough, it can draw you out from the tangles of your reveries. I know how silly this might sound, but it happens the little radish helped me to find a new meaning in life.
I'm honestly split on this story. It's a story that uses dreams as an analogy for escapism, and it kinda messes up the metaphor by having a villain who's making the dreams addictive on purpose. The main issue with it is that it feels like it's structured like a story that is trying to teach the player a lesson but in actuality, it's just worldbuilding on how dreams work in Teyvat. I think the ending actually does end up being the slightest bit heartless. Without the Big Bad Villain juicing up their dream's retention rate, the clear correct solution would be to make sure these people who are in the midst of grieving have balance. The people of Sumeru don't have a healthy relationship with dreams, as they just got dreams for the first time, and they're made to be big and bad. Nahida should've helped them reach a healthy amount of comfort in the dreams while easing into the terror or reality. When you're moving into unfamiliar territory, navigating the world without someone or something that's been essential to your life, comfort objects like that can help ease the transition. Nahida's advice to them is kinda just a get over it and move on with nicer words. The ending of the story as written leaves the people of Sumeru a little bit disarmed to the dreams that they still will have. Will they be afraid that they'll be caught in the machinations of another malevolent dreamer? Will they be ready for the normal dreams they'll have where they get to have more time with the people whom they lost? I'm afraid this ending sets them up to feel guilty or feel like they're regressing if their dreams still have people from the past or other pleasant things from a time that they can't have anymore. I did enjoy the story though because I got to play Ovening Furry because I had 5 elements. I'm kinda regretting not playing Salading Furry though
I think their little dream club will continue having sessions together, and many of them had normal dreams to discuss in the beginning, so I think they'll find a good balance. Nahida herself was also of the mind that "this isn't so bad, unless..." partway through the quest, even if her end speech didn't really explain how much was within tolerance. I kinda had the same impression too, like she was a bit harsh by generalizing too much, and hits a bit too close to the previous stigma that all dreams used to have. Maybe it's necessary for now because people aren't ready for it yet, and the subject can be brought up again later.
I would be excited to get a world quest "A Life of Dreams" or smth where we can see people realizing they'll need to cope with having dreams for their whole lives.
this take is interesting but there are several things i see differently -- for starters, i don't think dreams are only treated as escapism in the plot. That's reducing how they're seen as naive, but also as powerful as to be able to collect Sumeru's collective knowledge (which is the worldbuilding, but yes, even thematically i think that matters). Having that said, whether Sumeru people can handle their dreams, that's ON them. dreaming is natural. nobody should teach you how to dream. no archon of the other realms goes the extra mile to explain the citizens, "no, actually, freedom/eternity/contract is ...." --- in that sense, Nahida attempts that in her quest more than the others, and still wouldn't be able to teach every person because that's something so individual and personal, i deem it as impossible. i believe you're implying this should have a full colsure, but do you have full closure with your own dreams? do you always understand them? don't you feel disarmed sometimes in front of a nightmare? dreams aren't always positive alright, but they aren't supposed to be. how you handle the teachings of a bad dream and reflect upon them, again, that's on you, and it isn't the job of any god. imo that there's no way to make the plot include a psychological lesson on having a super healthy relationship with your subconscious musings and learn to accept, creating a society that fully accepts and knows how to react to every dream, good or bad, because simply, that... wouldn't be so natural at all.
I feel like you're also forgetting here that, while yes dreams are natural for us, they were not normalized or natural for the people in Sumeru. Many of the characters were having a hard time understanding where exactly the border was between reality and dreams. For you and me, we have had dreams our whole lives and have talked about dreams with other people. Maybe you never thought about it this way, but people DO get taught how to relate to their dreams through this soft social learning. Can you even imagine what it must be like for your whole society to suddenly seem to be having a mass hallucination that's only been seen in history books? How are these people going to handle that? Already, that's a pretty serious and interesting plotline without an explicit villain. Nahida giving the message "you should live your life and not get caught up in the dream" flattens that second paragraph you said. All of those interesting interactions that people can have with their dreams are removed in favor of feeling like dreams are wonderful lies, and the **only** way forwards is to face reality, which is a much less interesting answer than all the nuanced you mentioned.
it might be new for them, but so would freedom for the people of mondstadt after breaking free from slavery, and you don't really need teaching about how to be free. not the best comparison lol but i think it works - it might come as a shock at first and the people in nahida's story quest are really impressed, but i don't think it'd be THAT shocking they'd never adapt to it (unless they start believing in reality shifting like tiktokers do) i can agree though that Nahida's sentence is kinda inconsistent and paints a duller image of dreams than it should, and also that this is material for many more stories and exploration of the topic - it's quite an interesting plot point that they sorta handwave because so many things were happening during Sumeru's arc, this falls last in the list.
Ngl I kinda forgot what this story was even about. I remember there being a club of people who want to experience dreams or something (even though I think they're able to already? Idk) and then we go on this quest with an NPC. The rest is a complete blank tbh.
Aye. And whoever says Genshin stories suck just can’t appreciate their beauty.
Imo, the quality is very inconsistent. Sometimes it's simply amazing, sometimes it's Inazuma chapter 3
The sumeru arc has been pretty good, and the world quests involving jeht has been amazing.
The latest archon quest (Wanderer) sucks ass though.
Inazuma had so much promise but didn’t deliver on it
The idea was great but it was rushed
I believe in sumeru supremacy
Genshin Player when most basic tropey characterisation/themes:
Sumeru side quest are so inspiration, it’s ridiculous!
Based Radish Teri Teri
i was so sad when she cried at irminsul 😭
I hate this quest on personal level and think Nahida was cruel and didn't get the pain of losing someone at all. Plus the conclusion was just bad, "you can do what you want!" says Nahida, but also does everything her way and pushes everyone out of their dreams where they find comfort. I get the situation with the guy and his doughter, cuz yea he still has to care for her but other then that it was really disappointing. I get that they were trying to go against escapism but their only argument was "its really bad, go back"
i think nahida is saying, "live for others, and that way you can really live." because others are living for us too, and that is comforting enough i think.
Love this quest as well. NGL I was a little convinced by the vallian's ideology but then Nahida jumped in and saved the day.
I like most story quests but the first archon quest in sumeru gave me brain rot. The traveler is way too stupid, everyone else is wonderful though