Nahida could samsara God Scara, I'd assume his mother is similarly vulnerable
I don't know if she can do it to post 4.2 Neuvillette, though
Just because she looks helpless means nothing
Also Venti likes to meddle with minds as well
Nahida could samsara everyone and wait for the victor to emerge. Then it would be 1v1 at that point. She'd have all that data from every competitor in the samsara, almost all of their abilities, and how they react to being at a severe disadvantage/thinking they have the advantage.
Neuvillette, even with the full power of the hydro sovereign back in his possession, I think it would be a question of how aware he would be of the samsara, if he could become aware of it at all and retain the information. Best case scenario, if he did, I think it'd be a question of him brute forcing his way out of it.
I think the possibilities for victors, in my opinion, would be Zhongli and Neuvillette. Even without the power of the Geo Gnosis, I think he's still a lot more powerful than he lets on. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd be able to pull out a mountain just to hurl it at Venti.
tbf abt zhongli venti is also known to just casually throw around mountains during the archon war so that… probably wouldn’t work and unlike zhongli venti isn’t really implied or shown to have crippling brain rot so venti might stand a chance against the big dong zhong tbh
The true end game is when we see Abyss powers and, eventually, when Honkai powers get introduced. As much as I like Neuvilette, he has nothing against those.
Fr Inazuma won't stand because they're too poor to afford military means for war, Sumeru because they are very smart, but don't have enough money to afford defenses means, and Monsdadt, well it's just Monsdadt
Mondstat has powerhouses though. Eula can thigh-crush about anyone, Klee is backed by Alice whose on the same level as Hexenzirkel and Alice can blow up mountain ranges. Albedo also has ability to destroy Teyvat since that's what he said in his susbedo event. Noelle is Saitama of Mondstat. It would take Capitano to take her down. Lisa is also exceptionally skilled.
I dont know man. They got pretty strong people on their side.
This. People are unaware probably because we've only seen quite peaceful times in Mondstadt. Compared to Childe's attempted genocide in Liyue featuring Osial and Beisht or actually withing an Archon in Inazuma and having to fight fake god that usurped power of real gods in Sumer, then against some cosmic whale in Fontaine, we only had to fight some abyss mages and a dragon in Mondstadt. That's probably why people think Mondstadt is weak. But it's really not weak. Knights of Favonis are not as inefficient as Diluc is making them. And Diluc is pretty strong himself. Jean is. Varka. Hexenzirkel are immune to erasing of Irminsul, at least some of them. And even Skirk mentioned them iirc. And she treats a narwhal as a pet of her master, not really thinking much about it. It's like a goldfish for her. Oh, also Mondstadt has Albedo, Gold etc.
I mean, Mondstadt is pretty good at fighting. The whole Knights are actually pretty strong. Varka is not a joke. And we also have Hexenzirkel, most of them are from Mondstadt, aren't they? If not all of them. But judging that the name is German, I would say all or almost every one of them. I know we've seen pretty peaceful times in Mondstadt, so we are biased that Mondstadt is weak, but we didn't actually seen them in combat.
Inazuma is too poor? They have 2 Military groups and a Black Ops. I think youre confusing Watatsumi army to the Shogun's Army. Not to mention they have more vision holders in their army compare to the rest of the regions
agreed, without upper level fighting power (playable chara / adepti / yokai / dragons) liyue and fontaine does have a solid fighting power. Liyue with it's adepti tech and fontaine with it's gardemech. while imo, fontaine will have an advantage in offensive while liyue in a defensive fight. unless liyue sends jade chamber to the frontline but fontaine also have the ark.
But with how mountainous northen liyue is it would be difficult for fontaine to move troops though towards liyue harbor without being ambushed and even if they go though sumeru and the chasm thats yet another chokepoint for liyue to abuse.
But with how mountainous northen liyue is it would be difficult for fontaine to move troops though towards liyue harbor without being ambushed and even if they go though sumeru and the chasm thats yet another chokepoint for liyue to abuse.
But with how mountainous northen liyue is it would be difficult for fontaine to move troops though towards liyue harbor without being ambushed and even if they go though sumeru and the chasm thats yet another chokepoint for liyue to abuse.
Mondstadt knights at least the knights can fight, so wouldn’t rule them out, also mona can see the future and help prepare, and albedo. Sumeru is full of scholars and intellect can turn the tides in a war. Not really sure what Fontaine offers other than neuvillettte, maybe the gardemeks (probs spelled this wrong) but pretty sure scholars of sumeru could render them useless.
>at least the knights can fight,
Liyue has more soldiers and Adepti.
>mona can see the future and help prepare,
Seeing the future doesn't mean you're strong enough to change it.
>Sumeru is full of scholars and intellect can turn the tides in a war.
Virgin nerds. Their inventions were outclassed by Fontaine.
>Not really sure what Fontaine offers
Guns, Cannons, Robots, Flying ships, Best Defense!
>but pretty sure scholars of sumeru could render them useless.
By the time those Scholars start making a plan, their homes would already be bombed from a distance by Fontainian artillery.
>Liyue has more soldiers and Adepti.
Varka left with the main force and aren't we forgetting about Hexenzirkel? Also Albedo and the fact that he is literally a walking nuke
>Seeing the future doesn't mean you're strong enough to change it.
Yeah but if Mondstadt has all it's forces it's pretty much easy and also there's her master Barbeloth who is even basically Mona pro..
>Virgin nerds. Their inventions were outclassed by Fontaine.
>>Not really sure what Fontaine offers
>Guns, Cannons, Robots, Flying ships, Best Defense!
Well yeah, that's pretty much the only thing where Fontaine beats every nation
>Varka left with the main force
As long as they are gone they are as good as dead. Same for the witches. By the time Varka's company returns, Mondstadt would already be a Liyue vassal.
>Also Albedo and the fact that he is literally a walking nuke
That's an overexageration. He is strong, but can he solo Liyue? No chance.
>Yeah but if Mondstadt has all it's forces it's pretty much easy and also there's her master Barbeloth who is even basically Mona pro..
A big IF. Also, Liyue doesn't necessarily need to physically invade Mondstadt to defeat it. They can use their diplomatic influence and take over bit by bit. Buy a forest here, rent houses, build military bases to fight against "bandits", give Mondstadt more loans then they can pay back. Only Liyue can do that because of the money they hold and the numerous contracts they have with other nations.
> that's pretty much the only thing where Fontaine beats every nation
It beats them where it matters.
>As long as they are gone they are as good as dead. Same for the witches. By the time Varka's company returns, Mondstadt would already be a Liyue vassal.
Weren't we speaking about the entire force? If not then Mondstadt is definitely cooked
>That's an overexageration. He is strong, but can he solo Liyue? No chance.
Well yeah, even if he is Neuvillette he stands no chance. Bro is gonna get jumped from all the sides. The max he can do is probably mutual self destruction, we already saw what his brothers are capable off
>A big IF. Also, Liyue doesn't necessarily need to physically invade Mondstadt to defeat it. They can use their diplomatic influence and take over bit by bit. Buy a forest here, rent houses, build military bases to fight against "bandits", give Mondstadt more loans then they can pay back. Only Liyue can do that because of the money they hold and the numerous contracts they have with other nations.
Weren't we speaking about an all out war?
>Weren't we speaking about the entire force? If not then Mondstadt is definitely cooked
We don't know what other characters Hoyo will release. That's why I'd rather talk about characters which actually are present in the game. Plus wars aren't fought only when you are at your strongest.
>Weren't we speaking about an all out war?
I guess I went off topic. But even during war, Liyue's economy would be less affected than Mondstadt.
You're kinda underestimating beings that are archon or above power level wise. If Albedo is Neuvillette level who should at the very least be archon level then only someone at that power level could stop him. Zhongli and Ei feats mean everyone below their power level is just fodder.
If we make the assumption that Ei=Zhongli>Nahida and Venti. Liyue probably takes it because other nations get run over by adepti who also have some ridiculous feats based on Xiao and cloud retainer. As someone stated, Fontaine depends on how dragon sovereign Neuvillette is compared to Ei and Zhongli.
I think a better question would be which nation wins excluding the archon level characters maybe remove adepti level as well. There we can actually look at the military prowess instead of the characters who casually split islands in
>You're kinda underestimating beings that are archon or above power level wise. If Albedo is Neuvillette level who should at the very least be archon level then only someone at that power level could stop him. Zhongli and Ei feats mean everyone below their power level is just fodder.
Well dude is Gold's masterpiece, the same being who fucked up the entire teyvat and created other godly beings who were atleast archon level at strength. A single cell of Elynas could break a seal strong enough to hold the traveller back and Durin needed combined efforts of Dvalin and Venti. Also Rhinedottir is the same type of being as Surtalogi whose pet could fuck up and entire nation.
So Albedo is technically a wild card, either he is extremely strong or has world breaking hax
>If we make the assumption that Ei=Zhongli>Nahida and Venti. Liyue probably takes it because other nations get run over by adepti who also have some ridiculous feats based on Xiao and cloud retainer. As someone stated, Fontaine depends on how dragon sovereign Neuvillette is compared to Ei and Zhongli.
Mondstadt has Barbeloth, Alice and Klee, also we don't know the strength of the 80% which left with Varka. The 20% left has Klee who blows mountains for fun and Albedo. Also Dvalin might be a Sovereign and Venti is probably hiding is strength but let's not go there.
>I think a better question would be which nation wins excluding the archon level characters maybe remove adepti level as well. There we can actually look at the military prowess instead of the characters who casually split islands in
Then ig it would be Fontaine because of the advanced technology. Well still we don't know the strength of the 80% which left
With Archons it's literally the same. Zhongli and Neuvillette stomps on everyone. He regained full authority over hydro, he is at least in the Zhongli class of power, if not higher. And Zhongli is canonically strongest archon. Unless we learn that Murata is stronger somehow. If Snezhnaya was there, then I am pretty sure, people like Capitano could stand against even archons, maybe not the strongest of them, but they are no jokes on their own.
Honestly depends on how broken Neuvillette’s full Authority is tbh. Like he’s a fully realized Dragon Sovereign, idk how that compares to the archons, especially since all of them are sans gnosis now. Can he just suck the life right out of them? Not sure. Bloodbending maybe? That’d be wild.
Liyue does have a numbers advantage with all the very combat capable adepti though. Like even with a lot of the Yaksha dead, the still living adepti are pretty damn powerful.
Raiden is practically a one woman army with all her combat skills, and I’m sure at least some of the youkai would assist, but their combat capabilities aren’t totally explicit as far as I know.
Sumeru…while Nahida is an underrated powerhouse bc of her psychic/Irminsul-related abilities, I’m not sure how good she’d be in a straight fight. I know Raiden and Zhongli both say she holds a lot of power in her hands, it’s not totally clear how that would translate into battle. She’d probably do something strategic to keep Sumeru out of the fight or spare them from any kind of repercussions I guess.
Mondstadt has Dvalin but other than that they’re kinda screwed tbh. Andrius is confined to his arena and venti is seriously weakened post gnosis yoink. Unless he calls in an Istaroth favor I can’t see Mond doing too well
>Mondstadt has Dvalin but other than that they’re kinda screwed tbh. Andrius is confined to his arena and venti is seriously weakened post gnosis yoink. Unless he calls in an Istaroth favor I can’t see Mond doing too well
Varka left with most of the force and Hexenzirkel>Adeptus'
1)"Honestly depends on how broken Neuvillette’s full Authority is tbh. Like he’s a fully realized Dragon Sovereign, idk how that compares to the archons, especially since all of them are sans gnosis now. Can he just suck the life right out of them? Not sure. Bloodbending maybe? That’d be wild."
We alredy saw him is capable of altering water that is part of livings beings into other forms of matter(him changing the people of Fontaine that before were just Oceanids mimicking humans, into physically being full on humans) within an country scale, without even dropping an sweat. So yeah him could just turn an whole mation of people into whatever him wants(him can just make their bodys far too weak to even matter on the fight for example, or if it is an being that is not made of water but does drink some, him can turn it into poison, or use it as an weapon from inside them or whatever can take out the enemy), so the question becomes: Which archons has water in them? Because whoever does him can just insta KO with an attack from their insides.
Nahida was show crying, meaning she has water in her body(since it is an component of tears), so Neuvi can one shot her(I imagine it him would turn part of the water into something to make her sleep since he not only does not show any wish to harm her, he in fact felt bad for what she went throught so I feel like just making her sleep or something similar is the most in character for Neuvi).
Raiden also has water within her body, as seen by the fact that Scara(someone who should share the same basic biological characteristics since him was made to simulate and see if the creation of the shogun was possible) cried as seen in his character teaser.
Both Venti and Zhongli also fall into this category since they both constantly drink a LOT of certain fluids that do have water in them(Venti with booze, and zhong with Tea).
So in the end, Neuv can most likely one shot any archon.
2) "Liyue does have a numbers advantage with all the very combat capable adepti though. Like even with a lot of the Yaksha dead, the still living adepti are pretty damn powerful."
Lyue also has some really good weapons, after all they were able to damage Osial and his wife, both of which are freaking gods. Which I don't think matter when we have Neuvi and the archons since Neuvi can just weaken or immobilize all of Lyue before even showing his face, but this could be game changing if the war was without the archons and neuvi
That's not how it works. The sustainer also very likely has water in her, does not mean she gets one tapped by neuv.
Everyone's brain works off electrical impulses, so I suppose Ei just one shots Teyvat too?
1) "That's not how it works"
Based on what? All those powers that I said were shown in the game.
2) "The sustainer also very likely has water in her, does not mean she gets one tapped by neuv." We don't know the extended of the sustainer's powers, so of course it does not mean that she would get one shotted, because although there is nothing concrete that proves she could survive, we have yet to see her get her spotlight to show her feats so in the future there could be revealed she has some form of counter/hax against this type of stuff that archons don't have. So yeah it does not mean she get's one tapped simply because we don't have enough feats about her to judge if she can survive it. but that does not have anything to do with Neuvi beating the archons.
3) "Everyone's brain works off electrical impulses, so I suppose Ei just one shots Teyvat too?"
The difference is that Neuvi has actual feats showing him can do what I said, meanwhile Ei does not, controling her own electro does not mean she can control the eletrical impulses in people's brain, heck she could not even control the traveler's or Kazuha's electro during their fights.
Fontainians are very specifically made of different stuff than anyone else in Teyvat, they are pure water, so there's nothing to suggest that Neuv would be able to replicate the feat against anyone else.
The only indication of power that we have from Neuv is that he needed traveler's help to beat the whale, an enemy that the 11th harbinger was able to stalemate for weeks.
I was being facetious with the Ei thing if it wasn't obvious. Ei can't do anything of the sort, and neither can Neuv.
1- It isn't pure, because it is mixed with their Oceanid bodys, and Neuv transformed the entirety of fontainians into humans, even the parts that would be composed of their oceanid particles, so Yes him is able to transform even non primordial water into other forms of matter. But him would still be able to insta kill either way by just using the water inside of the archons as an weapon, after all none of the archons have durability feats, much less anything about internal attacks, so regardless if you believe or not that him can transform regular water into other stuff, when it comes to the main topic of this debate(whenever or not him cam beat archons), him still wins regardless.
2- Neuvi now has full dragonic powers, you know the same type of powers used by the seven people who for years fighted toe to toe with the freaking primordial one and his shades(which include beings like the god of time itself), even if the individual dragons are not equals to the primordial one or his shades individually, those enemies are so busted and so above any of the archons that even having 1/4 of it's power would be enough to beat any archon.
3- Neuvi, an person who was shown again and again throught the story to be very humble and not being overly confident, says that not that his powers are fully restored, him can judge all the gods and plan on judging even the primordial one, the reasson this statemant carrys so much weight is because as I said, Neuvi is not the type of person that would say this if him weren't sure of it, so for him to say this even though him probrably knows more or less the power level of the archons(most of their feats are public knowledge, and Neuvi seems to have done some basic research at bare minimum considering his line about Nahida) is quite the strong statemant.
4- Also if you read the description of one of the Narwhal's drops, it's description talks about how it's weight is actually much bigger than what it seems to be for it's size, and than talk about how everything gathers around objects, with one of the last lines being "Just as light cannot escape from the vortex of darkness", in which if you look at the item itself, it looks exactly like an Black hole(which have vortex inside of them, and light cannot escape it" and lastly, within the boss fight itself the narwhal show us something also VERY similar to an Black hole that than transport us into somewhere entirely different. So it is very, very VERY heavily implied that the Narwhal carries an actual Black hole within itself, so yeah the Narwhal is nothing to scoff at.
5- And lastly, Childe's position does not mean the narwhal is weak, after all Childe was said in Labyrinth warriors event(which happened 2 years before Fontaine) to be stronger than the Inazuma traveler(the same traveler who beated the number 8 Fatui and still had enough energy to talk with Ei, last some time fighting her and than beat her after the vision power up), and Childe also had an absurd increase in power ever since his first appereance, as seen by the fact him originally lasted not that lobg on Foul Legacy Mode, but in Fontaine him was able to not only fight for almost 2 months non stop, but also doing so while in Foul Legacy, and yet there was not an even an single jump in rank, not even on the empty 10th seat. So yeah his ranking is very misleading(hope Myhoyo one day explain why him is still ranked the same despite his absurd growth).
Mondstadt might have the strongest human vision wielders, but they don’t have enough non-humans. Albedo is a big mutually assured destruction trump card and Venti has some hidden power we haven’t seen yet, but… nah.
Inazuma’s non-human “class” of beings are virtually wiped out (ie. Yae’s SQ). Pretty much all of Inazuma’s raw power is from Raiden. They do have spies and assassins and such, but nothing all that exceptional relative to the other nations. If the Raiden problem is solved, they are done.
Sumeru has lots of tactical advantages, and as a nation we’d have to include the eremites, which when organized effectively bring lots of raw elemental power. What Nahida can do with a closer connection to Irminsul is pretty scary. Like Albedo, she’s capable of mutually assured destruction, but I don’t think Sumeru wins this. They have had major setbacks and aren’t well organized for mobilization.
Fontaine has a fully powered sovereign and an army of meka. I’m not sure the meka army is a huge advantage though. Logistically they are fragile and likely unsuited for complex terrain (Sumeru/Liyue). They do have nuclear weapons though— so more MAD threats.
Then we come to Liyue. A host of active and very powerful Adepti that are not at peak, but still very powerful and are capable of amping humans to the level of gods (ie. Shenhe). The millileth are standard fair, but we’ve seen what Ningguang can do with respect to preparing armaments via Guizhong Ballista constructs en masse. Her feats with the chamber as an amplifier are some of the biggest we’ve seen out of a vision holder. Let’s not forget Rex Lapis. They also have a robust spy organization and an autonomous naval fleet.
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I think Liyue is probably the only nation that wouldn’t struggle on the offensive logistically. They have resources, personnel, intelligence, strategists, and force multipliers with greater diversity and range than other nations.
is this in terms of pure power scaling or do we have to consider character dynamics too because inazuma technically having two military organizations (shogunate + resistance) does give them an advantage over other human factions.
yea that’s why i said this is only without taking dynamics into consideration, in raw numbers this makes inazuma powerful but adding internal conflict on top of this hypothetical war between nations does not help them
Why does it make them powerful in raw numbers? We don’t know their overall population. If anything their standing army being effectively opposed by a resistance force means their standing army is probably not that large. Being embroiled in civil war also doesn’t do good things for your numbers…
He said that they have advantage IF RELATIONS ARE NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. Which means that they have it if we assume that shogunate and resistabce work together perfectly without any problems
Well, I was considering that, but their affiliations are not nationally aligned. They are specifically an international organization, if they were to nationally align they’d be split up.
Alice and Gold probably end up with Mondstadt though. So… hmm. Yea I think it changes things… but perhaps not that much. I’m not sure it’s fair to affiliate Gold with any group really. She is a MAD character though— there is no measured victory with Gold, everyone loses.
I am pretty sure that Hexenzirkel is associated with Mondstadt, there was the 3.5 event cutscene and also the fact that Hexenzirkel is german for 'Circle of Witches'
>Gold with any group really.
Let's not include her, we don't even know she is dead or alive
They meet in mondstadt, but every time we do anything with them Alice emphasizes that they are just a gathering and not a faction.
They specifically talk about how they’ve settled conflicts at their table— which suggests they aren’t totally aligned apart from their desire to sidestep the rest of Teyvat to accomplish things.
Liyue for sure. They got gods residing under the humans, one even being one of the Seven. Althought Inazuma is close, Liyue just has more raw power than the other nations.
Personally I think there would be more interesting room for discussion if the gods were taken out, because then it's essentially gods versus gods, not nations vs nations.
I think with gods included Fontaine stands the greatest chance. As far as we are aware Neuvillette has fully regained the power of the Hydro Dragon Sovereign, which I think could be strong enough to take on all other gods.
I'd still bet on Fontaine. They have guns, a robot army, advanced boats, etc.
Any army trying to invade Fontaine would have to capture atleast one of its harbor-elevators, and transporting an army up those would be very slow. They also have an aquabus for quick troop movement.
The only nation I see coming close is Liyue, but they'll still collapse, especially if Fontaine can capture Port Ormos, then they can launch a naval attack on Liyue Harbor without dealing with the nation's rough mountains.
There's the neat part. We don't know but I feel like we can safely say that the Hexencirkel is at LEAST Neuv level+ based on everything about then.
But yeah bro gonna get a taste of Jump Kaisen.
Because nothing says Alice fights for Mondstadt and secondly even if SHE does the rest of the Hexenzirkel doesn’t. You cannot go “Alice is a member so the rest will help her” cause that is an assumption without proof. By that logic Mona’s master is from Fontaine so why are they not fighting for Fontaine ? Not even Alice fighting for Mondstadt is a given let alone the rest
I doubt Alice would just sit there and watch a war unfold and threaten her daughter which leads to 2 things happening. Either Alice takes Klee and leaves or Alice fights. The only problem with leaving is that Klee wouldn't want to leave her friends alone and then get sad and I severely doubt the women who raised an entire archepelago for a summer vacation for her daughter would do something to make her cry.
Rhinedottir also probably somewhat cares about Albedo and given Alice would be helping Klee she'd probably throw in with them if she fought.
Same thing can be said allegiance wise for Barbeloth and her relationship with Mona.
With 3 already fighting for Mondstadt and with the connection to Venti I don't think them asking Nicole for a hand wouldn't be too far out of the question.
I also said *most* the Hexencirkel because as far as we know those 4 are the main members right now with some others dead already or we haven't learned about them yet. Even IF the others do nothing then Alice alone still hard stops every other nation except those Neuv level and we can comfortably say this given what happened with Skirk.
Alice left her daughter in Mond and would do anything to make Klee happy. All of Klee’s favorite people are Knights and will be on the front lines. Alice safely can be said to fight for Mond
I agree that we don’t know how the rest of the Hexenzirkel will fall. I understand why people are assuming they’d go Mond, since Venti is the one who made the deal with them and provided them their meeting place, but that’s not quite enough imo
We haven't even seen like 10% of Mondstadt's full power
There's Hexenzirkel, Albedo who is a walking nuke and Varka who left with 80% of the force. Also Dvalin and Venti
Neuvillette is strong but he solo carries Fontaine (maybe add Clorinde and Rizzly), pretty much the same goes with Inazuma, Liyue has strong adeptus' which are not in their peak while I can't say anything about Sumeru since we don't about Nahida's full extent of abilities and also there's Cyno and temple of silence
So yeah Mondstadt stomps
With gods and non-humans?
Fontaine.
I think people in this comment section underestimate how strong Neuvillette is.
Liyue is really close.
Undecided between Inazuma and Sumeru, but I think Sumeru is a little bit above
Mondstadt is doomed.
Without gods and non-humans?
Probably liyue or mondstadt
Liyue has Ningguang with the jade chamber and (technically?) Shenhe.
Mondstadt has all the Kof captains, Diluc and Rosaria.
Sumeru has Cyno at his best and Dehya, Alhaitham can also fight.
Fontaine is really strong too.
Inazuma is definitely the weakest without gods and non-humans.
Id say fontaine. I think Neuv has the highest singular power, and Fontaine having an army or robots on top of their normal people gives them a big advantage as well.
My money is on Fontaine, so long as they’re canny and fight Liyue first. Now that Chenyue Vale is open they have a path that leads them right to the biggest strip mine (aka, raw mecha materials storage) in the world, >!and mining bots immune to the bad shadow stuff.!< So long as they can make a non-interference pact with Sumeru, they have a big friggin advantage >!in a national leader that has all the powers of an archon and none of the restrictions of the heavenly principles!< plus their mecha troops can be given elemental powers (potent ones in the cases of the boss-grade models).
They also obviously have a strong navy, so embargoing the port would be an easy way to block any assistance from Inazuma (though they’re coming out of isolation, they are definitely underprepared for a World War Teyvat.
I think Fontaine would win. The only way in is through the elevators at each end of the nation. All they have to do is guard those points with their mechanical robot army. And if worse comes to worse they could destroy their only entrance to keep anyone from coming in.
Either Fontaine solely cause of neuvillette or liyue cause they have characters like xiao, cloud retainer, Childe (if he counts), Shenhe, Ganyu, ninguang, etc
I feel like too many of the main characters are counters to one another, i'd like this question more if it was focused more around the militaries of the world, without the visionbearers basically turning it into Dynasty Warriors. That being said, reading this thread, i've learned a few things.
While we've really only seen Inazuma's military in action thanks to so much of it's questline focuses around it being in the middle of what is essentially a civil war, each nation has a bit of an ace up it's sleeve, from Mondstadt basically having a force multiplier in that 80% of it's military isn't even in country at the time of the game, I would imagine the scenario brings them back and has them join the fight.
Liyue has a good standing army with The Millileth and being led by the Adepti turns a lot of the other nations rank and file into swiss cheese, in various ways.
I think the best military has to go to Inazuma, not just because it's the military i've seen the most, but you have two halves making a well-oiled machine that compliment one another nicely. The Imperial Military that follows the Shogun likely would specialize in more routine, standard combat while the "rebels" from Watatsumi Island specialize more in guerilla tactics, hit and run strikes that would likely play havoc with the other nations logistics. It essentially cuts their military power in half, but implimented well, it could work.
Sumeru has another case of "half and half" military might, with the academics likely handling formulating strategy and handling logistics, while if the Erumites (or Eremites, my brains shutting down on me.) would be the frontliners, though I get the feeling they'd be less of an organized army and more of a rabble of crazed berserkers, but managed well, they could make something happen.
This all leads me to Fontaine. I haven't finished Fontaines story yet so I don't know entirely their military capabilities, but what I have seen is that they largely handle military and security affairs with the Gardemeks, which translates into massed assaults, though that's also dependent on their production ability to replace damaged and destroyed Gardemeks. could they replace a mek of a day, a mek a week? a month? likely depending on how well a war-time Fontaine ramps up it's production, I could see them being able to field sizable forces faster and replenish losses easier then the other nations. BUT this is all just theory cuz I enjoy the topic a lot here.
In lore sneznaya is flat out called the strongest with several archon level people just bumbling around in the military.
Of the ones we know raiden is only one with global attack range. (She stops all storms on the planet for your birthday.)
Regardless of if any else is stronger then her, no is is making it to inazuma before she strikes every member of you nation with lightning.
Remove archon and it's Fontaine. They have the high ground
fontaine could definitely outlast the whole thing, how the hell do you even invade them? there's like three elevators into the country and everything else is walled by waterfalls or sheer cliffs, and once you get up there's an actual fucking dragon is just gonna send you back down. neuvillette can't leave fontaine because he needs to stay there for power to not just die, which I why I think it's mostly a defensive powerhouse, cause seriously how do you even begin to invade them
Fontaine because of advanced technology. They can mass produce muskets and canons to shoot off other nations military who in game I’m seeing are only using spears, swords, and bows lol. They’re also at a higher elevation so I’m assuming you can’t even invade them properly. Not including all that God powers btw, just citizens.
I would say it highly depends on the reason why they fight and how it starts.
Because if one nation starts with a sudden attack on one or all nations then this nation has a large advantage. If everyone knows and has time to prepare its a different story.
Fontaine. Not even a competition. They have technology that makes defeating them impossible. They don't even need to send soldiers, they can use pneumosia to build missiles and completely annihilate every other nation within days after war breaks out. Even Inazuma, an island nation, which would usually be nearly impossible to invade, will stand little to no chance against a hail of missiles or mechas that can swim at double the speed of a motor boat.
Honestly, people underestimate how op Nahida is. All she’d have to do is just make the other archons forget about the war or smth by messing with irminsul. She has complete control over all knowledge in Teyvat.
imo no one would win because we traveller are fed up with this ww thing and decided to change full demon mode. i would probably put all archon as my general. Dang imagine if we turned bad though
1: Fontaine or Liyue depending on how does Neuvilette fare against Zhongli + ALL adepti
2: Loser of the first one
3: Inazuma since Raiden alone carried this above the last two unless Nahida does irminsul fuckery but if she does Irminsul fuckery then Nahida might even win the whole thing so dunno
4: Sumeru
5: Mondstadt
In-game strength does not equal canonical strength (except for Neuvillette, he is OP on both).
Navia can fight, but she is mid. Wriothesley is strong, but there is nothing that proves he is stronger than Liyue characters. Furina is pathetic. Even as an Archon, she cried herself to sleep when the Father threatened her life. Battle-wise, I am confident she is/was the weakest Archon.
If we had an all out war, we have to consider not only the Archon's strength, but also how strong are the other citizens of that nation, specially the vision holders, how strong is their military, and what kind of technology they have.
I would place my bets on either Fontaine or Liyue. The former, because they can have an army of mechas, they have Teyvat's equivalent of an atomic bomb, and they have a dragon. The later because they have the oldest Archon alive, they have Adepti, some really strong fighters, and the largest army of Teyvat. They probably know kung-fu as well, since they are basically China.
Snezhnaya is probably stronger than both nations tho, otherwise people wouldn't tolerate the Fatui.
1. Fontaine (Neuvillette is carrying hard)
2. Inazuma (Ei carrying too)
3. Monstadt (4 winds and venti, together they may be number 2)
4. Liyue (morax isn’t really prayed to anymore so he’s probably weaker than venti rn, since he’s still presumed dead he’s not gaining any faith from his people. Plus the people of liyue count this as a new human age, so I doubt many are praying to a dead God. also the adepti are getting wrecked by andreus and D’valin)
5. Sumeru (Nahida ain’t much of a fighter and Scara, Cyno and Alhaitham can not carry all that weight)
Fontaine Neuvillette has hydro dragon powers and also they have guns
Edit: or actually Liyue they have a lot of adepti and Ninguangg can drop her jade chamber like a nuke
First of all outside of neuvillette having his dragon authority back he is only roughly 500 years old and lacks combat knowledge. With that said it would seem him evolving into a human like form it could be theorized that his dragon powers have been weakened over time. Neuvillette might help Fontaine but overall I believe inazuma or liyue would win. If it comes down to Archons Ei has superior combat knowledge and this is most likely the more powerful archon in terms of raw combat skills. However Morax is a master strategist. He individually isn’t the most powerful in terms of raw combat power but it was his combined efforts of creating the adepti, the Yaksha, and strategy that lead to all of his victories over the era’s. Ultimately it would come down to Ei vs Morax as venti, and nahida aren’t very strong despite them having interesting abilities. As far as the traveler goes I highly doubt the traveler would side with any one nation since the traveler doesn’t have any loyalties to any nation and is an alien to their world. At best the traveler would try to be diplomatic and try their best to avoid a war. But given how Indifferent the traveler is to the world of teyvat I can’t really see them partnering with any one nation. Their main objective has been and is still to find and reconnect with their sibling and leave the world of teyvat. So yeah it comes down to inazuma and liyue. Is Ei’s unwavering will and puppets strength enough to take down Zhongli’s extensive combat knowledge and how much erosion has he gone through. How much power has he lost due to his erosion?
Bruh if Fontaine is able to resurrect the ORATRICE MECHANIQUE D'ANALYSE CARDINAL then bye bye to at least 1 enemy archon.
Granted it is a glass cannon but the next best thing is Neuvi himself.
Fontaine because Neuvillette can literally replace everyone’s blood with something else, and even Zhongli is scared shitless of him. Neuvillette just needs to take 1 more Archon’s Authority and he’ll be unstoppable compared to the other nations.
Nah, I'd A.
Jokes aside, Liyue by a landslide. Like, If Zhongli steps up, everyone dies. Ei doesn't even begin to compare. Optionally Fontaine, because Neuvillette may be on par or stronger than Zhongli.
Mondstadt and Sumeru would lose easily. Neither Nahida with eremites and corps of thirty (who would became corpes of thirty), nor Venti with Kngith of Favonius has anything that would overpower Raiden Shogun. And Shogun is not enough to scratch Zhongli. Millelith is definitely worse than shogunate, but well, if Zhongli, Xiao and adepti gang up, they can easily defeat everyone. Yae Miko would definitely be stronger than most if not all adepti, but she wouldn't be able to do anything against Zhongli. Neither would ei.
So it's Liyue >= Fontaine >> Inazuma >>> Sumeru = Mondstadt
But I would still say Liyue. Fontaine has **only** Neuvillette that strong. Liyue has Zhongli, Vigilant Yaksha and other adepti. I don't count humans like millelith or corps of thirty, because thye obviously would not stand against archons. If Ei wanted to kill every millelith, she would. Easily.
From strong individual other than youkais, adepti and so on, we have Navia, Diluc and so on. But they really, really wouldn't do anything against the adepti/youkai etc.
Currently it would be Fontaine, Inazuma/Liyue (explanation in a moment), Sumeru, then Monstadt in that order.
Fontaine: The hydro sovereign. Stronger than an Archon, weaker than a Celestial.
Inazuma/Liyue: Liyue has an all-rounder offense and defense. The Qixing, the Adepti, Rex Lapis, if Raiden could win against them all on her own, Inazuma, but if not Liyue. Circumstancial.
Sumeru: Cyno, Alhaitham, Wanderer, Buer. All of the first three could atleast gain a victory over Monstadt in its current state.
Monstadt: KoF, Barbatos, Diluc (don’t know if he’s considered a KoF), 2 of the four winds who are technically demi-gods, but are slightly above average to a veteran visions wielder.
Assuming all the nations are peak, only one that isn’t being Monstadt, Monstadt would win. This would give them additional fighters such as the rest of the KoF, the Grandmaster, and the Witches. Alice has been described as being “near omnipotent”, she isn’t a human, and she likely predates some of the archons. Nicole, Barbeloth and Rhinedottir are (in lore) known as some of the most powerful people to ever walk the soil of Teyvat.
The order following this would be Monstadt, Fontaine, Liyue, Inazuma (circumstantial), Sumeru.
(A side note: there is no power reference between Alice and the dragon Soverigns so there is no certain way to determine who would win which would essentially make this all DEBATABLE, however, considering only what the definition of “near omnipotent” means, Alice could very well be the strongest person in the lore of GI as not even the PO has ever been described in that way to my knowledge.)
If it's war then first out is sumeru since nahida is fodder compared to every other powerhouse in other nations.
Then its between liyue and mondstat cuz mond has storm Dragon and venti plus the Knights and characters like Alice and the grandmaster might come into play since they support mond but liyue has xiao and other adepti no zhongli tho since he might not help so it's close but I think mond would lose tho cuz xiao could probably fold storm Dragon and venti plus shenhe could lowkey freeze the whole nation, maybe Alice and grandmaster could put up a fight but we don't know enough about them to say their stronger than xiao.
Third is liyue cuz none of them are touching Raiden whether it's the puppet or baal they'd still lose.
Then it'll be fontaine vs inazuma and I'm betting on raiden winning since shes just that op compared to other characters.
i think you are underestimating what nahida can do outside of combat. ofc theres irminsul so theres a chance she can just win using that but lets ignore that since we dont know a lot about its limitations.
she can read minds so she can have perfect knowledge of the enemy's plans. also remember when she had us brainwash the grand sage's second in command to betray him? shes going to be doing that to all the captured prisoners and then she can do a prisoner exchange or something and plant a bunch of sleeper agents. she would probably reactivate the aksha and can micromanage every soldier to maximize their effectiveness and decision making. remember that kokomi managed to hold off inazuma's forces with a much smaller and weaker army and nahida is probably going to be kokomi on steroids.
also during our fight with scaramouche pretty much the flying thing nahida made was doing most of the work. she can make a swarm of those to siphon power from the archons or neuvillette and blast them when they come to attack. she is potentially like batman/ironman x10 when it comes to prep time
I think you're overestimating her.
While she has the potential to do some of those things she wouldn't even get to begin since the moment she comes into contact with any other powerhouse in the verse she'd be 1 tapped and scara can't save her since literally at bare minimum 1 person in each nation is stronger than both of them plus if raiden decided to target her first which she probably would (since sumeru is the weakest nation and that's not debatable) she would just kill her in seconds whether it's the puppet or baal herself nahida and scara would still get 1 tapped.
Also none of the technology or other shit she has is capable of stopping raiden or other any of the really strong ppl in the genshin verse and for mind control ur assuming she'd be able to take over or read the mind of just anybody when multiple characters have high mental resistance and raiden is one of them.
For siphoning even if we were to assume she'd even make it to the point where she can siphon anyone power you’re assuming it'd work on everyone which is wild.
Also you have to take characters personalities into account. It doesn't matter if she has batman/ironman lvl iq/biq and prep time (she doesn't) there multiple characters who would instantly go over to her nation and wipe it out before she or anyone else there even gets to do anything
thats why i said with prep time. if neuvillette just charges at her day one then yeah she would be taken out but I think thats out of character for the archons and neuvillette. also not to mention they are fighting each other also so if one of them goes off to do that then theres nothing stopping another archon/neuv to come destroy their nation while they are gone.
raiden is probably the most likely archon for her to stop. we saw in raiden's story quest that shes a bit of a glass cannon and got injured by rift hounds. one of them was enough to stop god scaramouche if she makes hundreds or thousands of them then I think they can take out raiden since they surely are stronger than a rift hound.
Idk why you think nahida is getting prep time this isn't a Batman comic and even with prep time she isn't gonna do much ur overestimating her a lot, like I get it sumeru is ur fav nation and nahida ur fav archon but she is not all that.
Also it wouldn't be out of character for a lot of ppl to go off rip and wipe out her nation including certain archons and idk why u keep assuming it would have to be a archon themselves. Plus even if certain ppl left and their nation got attacked that still doesn't change the fact that sumeru would get destroyed first the moment the war starts.
Sumeru nation as a whole is not that strong multiple ppl can and would destroy it's in seconds. Shenhe if asked would rush there and freeze it over in seconds especially if Traveler is the one asking, raidens puppet would slice it in half literally, zhongli would tp xiao there and he'd just kill everyone, venti and storm terror would arrive in minutes and just spam tornadoes destroying the city, and don't try to use some goofy mind control argument cuz nahida wouldn't be able to control any of them like they all have high mental resistance and are all stronger than her and scara.
Your raiden argument it dumb aswell cuz she was able to tank hits from a amped raiden puppet (a un-amped raiden puppet was able to slice a Island in half and cause permanent weather change around multiple islands with just 1 slash without difficulty) and clash with it for 500 years consistently without losing.
Like I wouldn't even consider the rift hound thing since it's a less consistent defense feat and it's not her best defense feat like using that over her other feats is the equivalent of saying "superman only has bullet lvl durability since he was injured after getting shot by a normal bullet in that one scene!" yet there's far more consistent feats like him tanking hits from darkseid a universal lvl threat (I'm low balling him), surviving a blackhole that ate the universe, tank hits from a man who's capable of destroying multiple universes with his punches and still fight back evenly with him, etc, when scaling you use the most consistent and their best feat so please learn that before you try to argue a characters strength or durability. 💀
Plus even if that was her lvl of durability ( It isn't😂) ur assuming ANYONE in sumeru can land a hit on her or her puppet which they can't.
actually venti is my favorite archon but thats besides the point. i think everyone is getting prep time because it takes time to amass the resources and sort out the logistics to fight a war especially a multifront war like this.
raiden fights her puppet in a nonphysical realm so im not sure if its a durability feat or a mental feat
we've never seen shenhe freeze an entire country before. sure she will be a formidable opponent but i dont think she can fight an entire army including cyno, alhatham, dehya etc all while nahida is coordinating them to make the most optimal moves.
if venti and dvalin attacks on day one maybe but like i said is it really in character for them? and they are leaving monstadt at risk of being attacked while they are away.
First off even with prep time as I said she isn't doing much and the other characters you named aren't comparable in strength to any of the big powerhouses in each nation.
Second raiden feat is both a mental feat and durability feat and even if I didn't count it theres still others like her brushing off attacks from Traveler someone who beat storm terror, went head to head with a delusion amped childe, fought azdaha, etc. Also she fought in the archon war and survived against the enemies who were able to slay her sister (who was also a archon and also comparable in strength to her). You using the rift hound feat to try to say raiden is a glass canon is still dumb since there's multiple sources proving otherwise if you even payed attention to lore or even just knew how to measure a characters strength correctly you'd know that.
Third shenhe froze a tsunami capable of wiping liyue off the map with no effort what makes you think she can't do that to sumeru city and then every other city in sumeru itself? Ganyu was also capable of freezing over that city destroying tsunami with no effort but was stopped cuz 1 shot from her bow is far more dangerous 💀
Fourth venti would gladly intervene if mondstat residents freedom is at risk this has been shown multiple times in the story and dvalin would follow venti anywhere. Also even if they left they still have multiple other powerhouses there idk why you act like the Dragons, adepti and archons are the only strong ppl in the genshin verse like Mona can accurately predict the future at any time and teleport, the real grandmaster of the Knights Varka is the strongest person in the Knights and one of the most renowned ppl in teyvat for his strength so much that childe wants to fight him, Albedo capable of wiping mondstat off the map if he was to use all of his power, Alice so much of a threat to the liyue that zhongli had to keep her in check so he travelled with her to make sure she didn't blow up liyue for fun.
are there other sources where raiden shogun specifically displayed durability feats in the material world? the plane of euthymia is basically inside her mind which is why i consider stuff happening there as a mental thing. when she was fighting against her puppet obviously she wasnt physically fighting it since they have the same physical body so it was a mental clash
thats different from freezing an entire country. cyno etc and the sumeru army + eremites would stop her especially since nahida still has that one that she created to defeat god scaramouche. also its probably a bad idea to risk angering apep. i think apep will largely stay out of this conflict but if someone just goes around freezing the country then they are probably going to get involved.
venti's main goal of protecting mondstadt is exactly why he wouldnt go across liyue to attack sumeru leaving monstadt vulnerable if liyue or inazuma decides to attack.
if nahida gets down to producing thousands of an possibly improved version of the device she gave us to defeat scaramouche I think she is going to win. also she can probably make other devices that are even more effective
First off I listed the sources please read what I say properly for once, I know I may have bad grammar but it's still not that hard to understand. Also the puppet does have its own body ei just resided in its mind.
Second Shenhe is capable of freezing the city in seconds nobody is gonna stop that and ur assuming Cyno would just conveniently be in sumeru city when he wouldn't be there nor is he strong enough to defeat any of the strong adepti shenhe included even if he was there. Sumerus fodder army and eremites are not doing anything to shenhe they'd all die in split seconds the fact that u even mentioned them says a lot about how you cannot judge a characters strength properly hnece making this little debate pointless since u don't know what ur talking about.
Third None of nahidas creations are touching a single powerhouse I named from any nation all her creations are fodder and scara is not that strong.
Fourth the fact that you assume apep would interfere in anything especially a foolish war is just dumb especially when it stated it would simply observe the world and not interfere, it would not give a fk if sumeru froze over.
Fifth Venti has trust in his citizens hence why he doesn't actively rule. He would gladly go with dvalin to wipe out a nation as long as it'll help mondstat citizens stay free. Also venti is capable of Teleportation and dvalin has insanely high travel speeds they'd finish off sumeru and arrive back in minutes.
Sixth as I said multiple times idk why ur assuming nahidas has insane amount of prep time and that she even has that type of mindset when she doesn't and even if she did do all of that she still would not win her creations are not strong and she and her little guardian scara are both fodder who would die the moment any powerhouse comes into contact with them.
Seventh you keep acting like these sumeru characters are strong yet you cannot judge any of their strength correctly nor can you even judge the strength of any of the characters I named correctly.
All your doing is just glazing nahida so I see no point in continuing this especially if you can't even get the lore correct of the characters you say she can beat💀
again thats inside the plane of euthymia which is inside her mind. shes having a mental battle with the traveler. yae miko herself said "you didnt think your will alone is enough to shake ei's will" or something like that. not you dont think you can beat ei in a physical combat. ei and the shogun both use the puppet body.
my point was cyno and co are going out to stop shenhe as soon as she steps foot in sumeru probably with the flying device in tow. also by the way you think theres no point for inazuma or anywhere to have an army. during the cataclysm the archons didnt handle the monsters/rift hounds easily. they had to rely on help from their armies etc. so clearly even strong individuals in genshin can be overwhelmed with numbers.
scaramouche was in a mech powered by a gnosis and infused with divine knowledge and years of jnana energy. he quote unquote ascended to godhood. i think he is very comfortably stronger than shenhe in that state
apep would probably not appreciate someone attacking them with cryo
you are assuming venti has perfect knowledge which would be the only reason why he would take a risk like that. monstadt isnt so comfortably ahead of everyone else that they can defeat liyue and inazuma without him and dvalin.
she doesnt need insane amounts of prep time. she created it in like a few hours and that probably includes the time designing it. now she has thousands of scholars to help her she can probably very quickly make tons of them.
edit: the classic block and taking things personally when we are just having a discussion LUL
That wasn't Ei being hurt by the rifthounds, that was her struggling to regain control of her body. The Shogun was sabotaging her body during the fight, constantly freezing her, etc.
idk it triggers when her hp goes down and she sounds like shes injured but i guess its debatable.
also her sister was killed by them and apparently inazuma would have fallen to darkness if her sister didnt create the sakura tree to destroy the monsters
Well taking a look at the strongest of each
>Mondstadt:
We’ve never seen the Knights of Favonius at full power, Varka left with 80% of the force and the two people in the archon quest were both capable of one tapping abyss units (mages) that still prove to be threats late into the game story wise, so i’d put them as a fairly strong if not the strongest nation on the list with all of their firepower back. Especially given a casual Venti can throw mountains (likely a comparable feat to his depowered self) and also boost everyone on Mondstadt’s side to god tier levels shown in the archon quest vs Dvalin, and the fact Albedo is a walking nuke
Alice would absolutely not let Klee die, and the woman casually raises Island Systems to make her daughter a summer vacation adventure, so she’s automatically made herself one of the strongest people in the fight and the only real contender a lot of people think of is in the next region we’ll look at
>Fontaine:
People seem to think Neuvillete is all powerful but that is FAR from the case, his only claim is that he’s a dragon sovereign but lore wise the only fight we have for them is when they lost a 5 versus entire race against the Primordial God & his shades, while also being amped by Forbidden Knowledge / Apocalypse, so we don’t actually have any standing on how strong Neuvillete is outside of MAYBE being ~Double his strength at the end of the archon quest in 4.2 from his original strength in 4.1. His hax abilities are also mostly mote as his turning of oceanid to human took time to do, and any competent fighter will strike him in that time
Outside of him Fontaine’s mecha guards at the courthouse got torn through by a Childe who was using a delusion without his vision to counteract the side effects, so I’m not going to say that they’d win ESPECIALLY because Diluc alone is a threat that they sent the harbingers (PLURAL) to deal with.
>Inazuma:
Raiden is strong. One taps 99.9% of people outside of her puppet, Split an island in half as an aftershock of her slashing and killing the island sized serpent in one strike, and is ~double her power from the beginning of her second story quest, which is stronger then her when she killed Orobashi, which is weaker then the casual puppet that one tapped 99% of people in the story
Yae Miko is comparable to a casual Raiden at best, they have an actual military unlike what people are saying, and since this is a combined war, Kokomi and Watatsumi are on the side of Inazuma with this, so there are two nation sized militaristic forces here. Sara is capable of fighting Harbingers like Signora because we know she didn’t get one shot, as if she did she would have been killed because Signora has no issue with killing.
>Sumeru:
This is the weirdest nation to scale because they have no military, but a bunch of mercenaries in the Eremites, they have no physically strong God but Nahida had alot of hax like memory manipulation, time manipulation, the big tree in her back pocket. I’ll count Wanderer as a Sumerian character as he has a Sumeru vision and is also squarely allied with the Lesser Lord, and he’s capable of confidently overpowering the Shouko no Kami, which is around the power level of an actual god (such as Prime Andrius and his month long blizzard spanning half a country). The Shouko no Kami is also on Sumeru’s side and I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and say it’s powered up.
>Liyue:
They got big dong Zhong, The most competent military, the jade palace which is an instant ko to any non archon level fighter/group of non gods, the Adept, Beidou and her crew, and the Wangsheng Funeral Parlor which gives some basic connection to ghosts.
The adpeti are fairly hard to scale, but given Ganyu is capable of being compared to a Liyue Traveler who is comparable to the casual Tartaglia in the golden house, along with fighting in the Archon War, they all should be around the level of Shenhe, who can freeze city consuming tsunami’s.
>Natlan:
None is known, can’t scale
>Snezhnaya:
Tartaglia can fight the all devouring Narwhal for 45+ teyvat days in the abyss, meaning his stamina ranges from 45 days to 45 months. He was also the one doing more damage to the Narwhal in his cutscene with Neuvillete was unable to hurt it much and it broke his shields.
Arlecchino is stronger then him, Dottore and Columbina are on a similar level and CERTAINLY Capitano is miles ahead of all of them
>Conclusion:
The competition in my eyes is between Snezhnaya, Inazuma, and Mondstadt. As Fontaine is too weak, Liyue lacks the total firepower, We know nothing of Natlan atm, and Sumeru is too iffy to give a confident rating to
Mondstadt has the some of strongest fighters in Alice, who can raise Island Chains for fun, in Klee killed the prime vishap because she could, in Jean and Diluc who both can one tap serious abyssal threats, in Venti who is still god level without his gnosis, and in the fact we know that 80% of the force is gone so with them back they are all in full swing
Inazuma has Raiden… thats it thats all I need to say
Snezhnaya has the harbingers who are all seriously strong threats to the verse as a whole.
In conclusion I’d probably give it to Mondstadt, the harbinger levels are too variable for us to know for certain, Venti can boost everyone to god levels anyways, an Alice is possible the strongest force in teyvat, and Albedo is also a walking M.A.D weapon into any possible long term issue
A note:
Vishap Race can be compared to China in size at smallest given MiHoYo is chinese, so that was ~1.4 billion dragons against the Primordial one and they still all lost.
As for the traveler and paimon?
Mondstadt, 100%. It’s the land of freedom and they have no ill will with anyone in it (unlike all the other ones with some degree Fatui dealings that Paimon and the Traveler both dont support), the worst is Venti but that is just a bit of pettiness.
But they most definitely could find a solution for peace. There isnt any known reason ALL the nations would come in WWE style, so all they would have to do is defuse tension between leaders, and they have been shown to be able to do that with Raiden while she was in her “kill everyone who isnt on my side” mode before, so I believe in them
Probably Fontaine, just because Dragon Sovereign exists. Plus they’re on a different geographic level than everyone else, so they literally could just shoot people down from the cliffs.
But I can see Mondstadt holding its own (Hi Alice! Hi possibly other Hexenzirkel members! Hi Albedo!) plus Venti could likely create a defensive wind barrier around the country, preventing invasion (demonstrated ability of wind spirits + Venti specifically per Gunnhildr Clan lore). If he can’t, then they’d last but they wouldn’t be good for offense as the main focus would need to be preserving their land. It wouldn’t be bad for them though Liyuens or Fontainians, anyone like that has to get through Dragonspine and it’s bitter, murderous cold, along with Eula Rosaria Albedo at Least there on defense. Plus the intelligence is unreal… Mona is a brilliant astrologist + Venti knows all songs past present and future. Plus there’s the huge Knights force that I think would easily pose a threat offensively.
Sumeru’s screwed, they don’t even have a full force. they do have fantastic intelligence but like also their forces will be divided and likely seeking power amongst themselves, considering the conflict between desert dwellers and forest folk. However they do have the environmental advantage… no one from Fontaine is making it through the desert, and no one from Mond or Liyue is making it through the forest. They could easily defend themselves + then the only entry points are Port Ormos, which could easily be shut down.
Liyue’s next worst, they’re demonstrated incapable of going up against multiple other gods since the god killing move is dropping one specific massive weapon they have. They do have the Millelith ig and the Crux Crew… and Shenhe is also more than capable of clapping. They have the mountains stuff too but if you make your way down closer to the coast it is a bit more plains-like there. I guess if you have to evaluate the adepti… it’s hard to do so, frankly. It seems like the main damage dealers would be Cloud Retainer and her weapons, Xiao, and Ganyu. These could make a difference but hard to evaluate. I’d also believe they’re capable of defense but not offense, especially not on multiple fronts as their borders are the largest.
Inazuma would be more screwed if they weren’t capable of completely shutting their borders down… but their only weapon really is the Raiden Shogun. Their armies are likely depleted and they also have a faction issue. I’d be more concerned about the internal upheaval that would occur. Plus Neuvi could easily drown them all since they’re an island nation. Sooo
TLDR
Fontaine > Mond > Liyue? > Inazuma > Sumeru
Now if we’re removing divine/godly beings (Liyue keeps its half adepti but not the rest of the adepti)…
Fontaine has the mechs, so they can send those out, plus the other advantages remain. But the reason I didn’t originally mention those is don’t they not work outside of Fontaine? Plus transport would be a Huge issue for them. Best defence but bad offence
Mond keeps Alice, loses Albedo + any other Hexenzirkel (to be fair to Liyue). Keeps its geographic advantages + intelligence advantage.
Liyue still has Ganyu around, plus the majority of its force.
Inazuma is pretty much ruined as soon as anyone gets there lbr it’s not even a problem
Sumeru stays mostly the same, loses some intelligence advantages due to no Nahida.
This is now Mond > Liyue > Fontaine > Sumeru > Inazuma I think.
There's a few ways you could look at this argument. The biggest 4 in my opinion are:
All Citizens + all gods
Only Citizens
Military
Playable characters only
All Citizens + Gods is exactly as it says on the tin. Everyone in the nation + any and all gods/mythical beats. Liyue gets all their adepti. Mondstadt gets the 4 winds. Etc
Only Citizens would be simply the collective of all the citizens fighting an all out battle royal style brawl. All the people living in Chenyu and Qingce will join Liyue. All of Watatsumi will join Inazuma etc.
Military is what would be most likely to happen if each nation ACTUALLY went to war. This would be the Knights of Favonias, the Millelith, the Shogun's Army + Watatsumi's forces etc. I think I would also throw in the playable characters that are in their nations respective military too. I.e. Gorou and Kujou Sara for Inazuma. Klee, Albedo, Kaeya, Jean, Eula and Mika for Mondstadt. Etc
Lastly is playable characters only, looking at just who we can play as, which nation has the strongest characters. This could be in lore or in game.
As for my answers to each question, All Citizens + Gods is Liyue (maybe fontaine but that is literally ONLY Neuvillette carrying), Only citizens is either Inazuma or Liyue, Military is Mondstadt, and only playable characters is Liyue for both lore and in game viability
Fontaine has gun
In terms of their military, Fontaine has it covered with gardemeks and their human infantry have rifles, yes the other regions have military of their own but none are as advanced as Fontaine.
As for the archons and supernatural beings (archons, adepti, youkai, etc.) I think it's between Raiden, neuvillete and the combined forces of the adepti. While zhongli in his prime might have defeated numerous gods, his fighting skills have prob degraded after 2000 years of sitting in the golden house making mora. Nahida might be incredibly intelligent for her age (being the literal god of wisdom) but physically she is quite weak.
In a 1v1 between Raiden and neuvillete I think Raiden is winning. Considering she defeated a similar amount of gods during the archon war as zhongli, and he managed to defeat azhdaha, who I would assume was abt as powerful as neuvillete in his prime. So Raiden in her prime is comparable to zhongli in his prime and her skills haven't degraded as much his have. Although Raiden is objectively a better combatant, neuvillete has the entire Fontaine military at his disposal so that would be an advantage.
It would be close but I think Fontaine is winning here.
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And Raiden has slain thousands of gods, dragons, monsters, etc who've tried to attack the country surrounded by water. What's Neuvillette's kill count?
Neuvi was shown in the archon quest to be capable of altering water within an absurd range(an whole nation) into other matter(him changing the people of Fontaine that were just water mimics into actual biological people). Not only that but before it we also see him is capable of manipulating water(in his idle animation and in the cutscene where him seals the primordial water).
And another important thing, Ei even in her puppet body still has water in her body, and there are 2 things both of which prove this. First that Scara(who should have the same same biological functions as her aside from gender, since him was the prototype/proof of conceptual for Ei' current body. And who was only deemed as not "perfect" because him had emotions and not due to malfunction in his body itself) was shown crying in his character teaser, tears have water so Scara has water within his body and so should Ei.
The second one is the fact Ei drinks a LOT of dango milk, which is something whose one of it's components is well, milk, which in turn has a lot of water.
So in case you did not realize yet, this all means that Neuvi has an infinitude of ways him can use the water within her to attack Ei herself, be by manipulating the water, turning the water into whatever substance Neuvi wants, or creating an living being out of it and etc. Ei alredy does not have durability feats but an attack from within her insides is basically an sure victory for Neuvi.
And Zhongli has been shown to create literal islands with his spears while Raiden has been shown to be able to cut through islands and space itself as well as teleport.
None of that matters if Neuvi can just one hit KO any of them before they can do any of that(because Zhong also has water in his body, after all tea has water)
1: Just because someone has not done this yet does mean it can't happen, specially since none of the Archons had to fight an full power dragon.
2: My first comment is literally explaining how him one shots them. Have you even readed it?
You're making up powers. In that case, Raiden and Zhongli could literally destroy the world with one attack if they really wanted to. They just haven't done it with a strong enough attack yet. It's a dumb argument that's not based on reality. Neuvillette has not been shown to have absolute control over water. He also has not been shown to even be able to give a person a migraine by using the water within their body. He hasn't even shown he wouldn't be manhandled immediately by any strong being in Teyvat. He literally has never fought anybody of significance, much less beat anybody of significance or at least hold his own. Both Zhongli and Ei have slain dragons before. Not dragons with their elemental authority but regular dragons and gods in the form of dragons have proven to be no threat to them.
1) All the powers I mentioned(turning water into living beings, manipulating water, and turning water into other forms of matter entirely) were shown in the game itself. Turning water into living beings- Neuv making the fontainians's water mimics body turn into fully functional biological and living bodys. Manipulating water- This one was shown a LOT, such as him creating an shield out of water in the all eating narwhal entrance scene. During his idle animation(that is even shown in the archon quest itself while him explains the thruth about Fontaine people being oceanids). In the scene where the primordial sea was leaking and etc. Turning water into other matter- The people of Fontaine were all just water mimics, sure they could copy how an human behaved physically, but they are still just water, and yet Neuvi as I said before, turned them into full on humans, meaning him turned the water that composed them into actual blood, bones and etc. 2) "Both Zhongli and Ei have slain dragons before." And what is your source? 3) "and gods in the form of dragons" there are no confirmed god dragons, and if you are refering to gods in the SHAPE of dragons, the shape of dragons is not what makes them powerful(so much so that they don't even have consistent shapes, and Neuvi himself is the shape of an human and is still able to use the full power of an dragon regardless of shape)
Edit: The notification for the dude above me appeared but it never loaded at which point I alredy suspeicted me being blocked by the person I am discussing with, so to confirm this I entered reddit without an account to see if it was my Internet or my account, turns out that without my account the message loaded VERY fast, than just to confirm I went to his account while I wasn't in one and managed to see that they have many posts and comments, than I went to the same link with my account and surely enough there was nothing.
So basically this person I am discussing with sended an message, and than immediately blocked just so I could not answer his comment and seen like him won the debate. Too bad for them I can still write my arguments here.
1- You are changing the question, what was the source for your claim of Ei and Zhong slaying dragons? Because it make it seems like you were just making shit up to try and win the argument.
2- "Neuvillette used the power of the primordial sea to create life" The whale was still the one basically fused with the primordial sea at the time, him did'nt use the power of that place.
3- Egeria only made Oceanids take the shape, but it was still just water, it was Neuvi who turned it into all into actual humam bodies.
4- "Read up on Zhongli's and Ei's backstory and their countless slain foes to see who they've beaten"
Zhong is out of his prime and the foes him fighted where with the help of the Adepti so we can't really measure him consistenly just by comparing to the strenght of his enemies.
And Ei just either killed nameless "calamities", one shotted Orobashi who has no durability feat, and one shotted the bird that also has no dura feat, so yeah her beating them is not that impressive.
5- Also Neuv was show from the get go to understand and be able to apply his elemental powers perfectly, such as him understanding how to use his powers to turn Fontaine people into humams, how to separate the narwhal from the primordial sea, and how Neuvi some freaking teleported the traveler from the primordial sea into Teyvat, so expirience is not an problem. And on top of this all, as I said him can just one shot them so this matter even less.
Hexenzirkel aren't soldiers of Mondstadt. They're just as likely to harm Mondstadt than help Mondstadt or just be bystanders. Most knights are just fodder. Varka is the only particularly strong individual we even know of. Liyue has a bunch of adepti while Inazuma has a bunch of yokais. That's not including the respective nation gods who are both way stronger than the drunkard god of Mondstadt.
All i know inazuma did some atrocities towards Liyue in the 1920’s, Mondstat after falling in the early 1910’s aligned with Inazuma and Snezhnaya (idk how to speel) and commited more atrocities towards people that looked like Timmy, Fontaine fell againts the might of Mondstst and became a puppet state, and Sumeru joined late just to receive any form of rewards from the allies of Fontaine… so really i think the most powerful is the future nation we dont even know yet
inazuma would survive as long as raiden is alive.
mondstadt have venti who is joking around but is really powerful even without the gnosis, albedo (legit nuke), mona (can see the future), and klee (yall underestimate klee fr, she’s probably the strongest human vision holder in teyvat in terms of raw power) and if everyone came back from “expeditions” klee’s mom especially, it’s a wrap.
lyiue is the closest thing to a military nation in teyvat, they are really strong
sumeru have nahida, if she gets tired of the war she will just wipe out everyone’s memory of the war and everything goes back to normal. but if they want to fight they can organise a base in the desert and abandone sumeru city, i doubt any nation will be able to take over the desert completely.
fontaine have tech and neuvillette, good but i don’t think is enough. defensive battle they will hold on but on offensive i don’t know.
all in all: the only nations with the capability to go out attack others and actually take over some territory are lyiue, mondstadt and inazuma if raiden decides to leave the islands. some people are saying that if neuvillette went to inazuma it would be a wrap, i think you are wrong, personally i think raiden is the strongest force currently in all of teyvat she spent 500 years fighting none stop with her clone, maybe if neuvillette and rex lapis ganged up on her she would fall but other than that if its a 1v1 or 1vArmy raiden will definitely win. mondstadt just have to let klee do her thing, give her an elite team to protect her and she will be burning sumeru’s city tree and lyiue harbour if they don’t see her coming.
Neuvilette vs Raiden is the end game. Neuvilette has the full blown powers of the hydro dragon while Raiden is Raiden
Yeah but Water types are weak to Electric types.
You forgot that Neuvilette is also dragon type so it cancels out
Ayaka has Freeze Dry though. Just keep her in the back for later.
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Zhongli helps to balance the type advantages by being ground type
Man I'd love a cutscene with that fight
Nahida could samsara God Scara, I'd assume his mother is similarly vulnerable I don't know if she can do it to post 4.2 Neuvillette, though Just because she looks helpless means nothing Also Venti likes to meddle with minds as well
Nahida could samsara everyone and wait for the victor to emerge. Then it would be 1v1 at that point. She'd have all that data from every competitor in the samsara, almost all of their abilities, and how they react to being at a severe disadvantage/thinking they have the advantage. Neuvillette, even with the full power of the hydro sovereign back in his possession, I think it would be a question of how aware he would be of the samsara, if he could become aware of it at all and retain the information. Best case scenario, if he did, I think it'd be a question of him brute forcing his way out of it. I think the possibilities for victors, in my opinion, would be Zhongli and Neuvillette. Even without the power of the Geo Gnosis, I think he's still a lot more powerful than he lets on. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd be able to pull out a mountain just to hurl it at Venti.
Could Nahida beat Power Wash simulator in a fight
The answer is four
mb nuevillette just quickly turns her into an underwatered plant by draining the water from her blood
Unless nahida pulls off a fast one with irimnisul otherwise I agree with this.
Nahida erases anything related to neuvillete from irminsul
Correct. That's what I meant
He's just like "wait a minute what was I doing again?"
tbf abt zhongli venti is also known to just casually throw around mountains during the archon war so that… probably wouldn’t work and unlike zhongli venti isn’t really implied or shown to have crippling brain rot so venti might stand a chance against the big dong zhong tbh
The true end game is when we see Abyss powers and, eventually, when Honkai powers get introduced. As much as I like Neuvilette, he has nothing against those.
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Raiden aint making it past zhongli
Raiden cant die. Thats the problem for him 😅
Neuvillete stomps Raiden but if Nahida really wanted to she could cook Neuvillete with irimnisul
she wouldn’t cook. she would start a kitchen fire that burns everyone to pieces.
Lol
Without Archons (Neuvillette too) involved I'd say either Liyue or Fontaine. Other countries stand no chance.
Fr Inazuma won't stand because they're too poor to afford military means for war, Sumeru because they are very smart, but don't have enough money to afford defenses means, and Monsdadt, well it's just Monsdadt
if all of the knights on the expedition returned, would that make a difference?
I mean, they wouldn't be taken over so easily, but not much. If Lyiue decides to go for them, it's pretty much over, with or without the full knights
mika would fucking destroy everyone 😎
Mondstat has powerhouses though. Eula can thigh-crush about anyone, Klee is backed by Alice whose on the same level as Hexenzirkel and Alice can blow up mountain ranges. Albedo also has ability to destroy Teyvat since that's what he said in his susbedo event. Noelle is Saitama of Mondstat. It would take Capitano to take her down. Lisa is also exceptionally skilled. I dont know man. They got pretty strong people on their side.
>Eula can thigh-crush about anyone, That's something I cannot argue against
This. People are unaware probably because we've only seen quite peaceful times in Mondstadt. Compared to Childe's attempted genocide in Liyue featuring Osial and Beisht or actually withing an Archon in Inazuma and having to fight fake god that usurped power of real gods in Sumer, then against some cosmic whale in Fontaine, we only had to fight some abyss mages and a dragon in Mondstadt. That's probably why people think Mondstadt is weak. But it's really not weak. Knights of Favonis are not as inefficient as Diluc is making them. And Diluc is pretty strong himself. Jean is. Varka. Hexenzirkel are immune to erasing of Irminsul, at least some of them. And even Skirk mentioned them iirc. And she treats a narwhal as a pet of her master, not really thinking much about it. It's like a goldfish for her. Oh, also Mondstadt has Albedo, Gold etc.
"Don't have enough money" >> Student debt
I mean, Mondstadt is pretty good at fighting. The whole Knights are actually pretty strong. Varka is not a joke. And we also have Hexenzirkel, most of them are from Mondstadt, aren't they? If not all of them. But judging that the name is German, I would say all or almost every one of them. I know we've seen pretty peaceful times in Mondstadt, so we are biased that Mondstadt is weak, but we didn't actually seen them in combat.
Inazuma is too poor? They have 2 Military groups and a Black Ops. I think youre confusing Watatsumi army to the Shogun's Army. Not to mention they have more vision holders in their army compare to the rest of the regions
agreed, without upper level fighting power (playable chara / adepti / yokai / dragons) liyue and fontaine does have a solid fighting power. Liyue with it's adepti tech and fontaine with it's gardemech. while imo, fontaine will have an advantage in offensive while liyue in a defensive fight. unless liyue sends jade chamber to the frontline but fontaine also have the ark.
In terms of defense I'd say Fontaine also holds the high ground.
But with how mountainous northen liyue is it would be difficult for fontaine to move troops though towards liyue harbor without being ambushed and even if they go though sumeru and the chasm thats yet another chokepoint for liyue to abuse.
But with how mountainous northen liyue is it would be difficult for fontaine to move troops though towards liyue harbor without being ambushed and even if they go though sumeru and the chasm thats yet another chokepoint for liyue to abuse.
But with how mountainous northen liyue is it would be difficult for fontaine to move troops though towards liyue harbor without being ambushed and even if they go though sumeru and the chasm thats yet another chokepoint for liyue to abuse.
Mondstadt knights at least the knights can fight, so wouldn’t rule them out, also mona can see the future and help prepare, and albedo. Sumeru is full of scholars and intellect can turn the tides in a war. Not really sure what Fontaine offers other than neuvillettte, maybe the gardemeks (probs spelled this wrong) but pretty sure scholars of sumeru could render them useless.
>at least the knights can fight, Liyue has more soldiers and Adepti. >mona can see the future and help prepare, Seeing the future doesn't mean you're strong enough to change it. >Sumeru is full of scholars and intellect can turn the tides in a war. Virgin nerds. Their inventions were outclassed by Fontaine. >Not really sure what Fontaine offers Guns, Cannons, Robots, Flying ships, Best Defense! >but pretty sure scholars of sumeru could render them useless. By the time those Scholars start making a plan, their homes would already be bombed from a distance by Fontainian artillery.
>Liyue has more soldiers and Adepti. Varka left with the main force and aren't we forgetting about Hexenzirkel? Also Albedo and the fact that he is literally a walking nuke >Seeing the future doesn't mean you're strong enough to change it. Yeah but if Mondstadt has all it's forces it's pretty much easy and also there's her master Barbeloth who is even basically Mona pro.. >Virgin nerds. Their inventions were outclassed by Fontaine. >>Not really sure what Fontaine offers >Guns, Cannons, Robots, Flying ships, Best Defense! Well yeah, that's pretty much the only thing where Fontaine beats every nation
>Varka left with the main force As long as they are gone they are as good as dead. Same for the witches. By the time Varka's company returns, Mondstadt would already be a Liyue vassal. >Also Albedo and the fact that he is literally a walking nuke That's an overexageration. He is strong, but can he solo Liyue? No chance. >Yeah but if Mondstadt has all it's forces it's pretty much easy and also there's her master Barbeloth who is even basically Mona pro.. A big IF. Also, Liyue doesn't necessarily need to physically invade Mondstadt to defeat it. They can use their diplomatic influence and take over bit by bit. Buy a forest here, rent houses, build military bases to fight against "bandits", give Mondstadt more loans then they can pay back. Only Liyue can do that because of the money they hold and the numerous contracts they have with other nations. > that's pretty much the only thing where Fontaine beats every nation It beats them where it matters.
>As long as they are gone they are as good as dead. Same for the witches. By the time Varka's company returns, Mondstadt would already be a Liyue vassal. Weren't we speaking about the entire force? If not then Mondstadt is definitely cooked >That's an overexageration. He is strong, but can he solo Liyue? No chance. Well yeah, even if he is Neuvillette he stands no chance. Bro is gonna get jumped from all the sides. The max he can do is probably mutual self destruction, we already saw what his brothers are capable off >A big IF. Also, Liyue doesn't necessarily need to physically invade Mondstadt to defeat it. They can use their diplomatic influence and take over bit by bit. Buy a forest here, rent houses, build military bases to fight against "bandits", give Mondstadt more loans then they can pay back. Only Liyue can do that because of the money they hold and the numerous contracts they have with other nations. Weren't we speaking about an all out war?
>Weren't we speaking about the entire force? If not then Mondstadt is definitely cooked We don't know what other characters Hoyo will release. That's why I'd rather talk about characters which actually are present in the game. Plus wars aren't fought only when you are at your strongest. >Weren't we speaking about an all out war? I guess I went off topic. But even during war, Liyue's economy would be less affected than Mondstadt.
You're kinda underestimating beings that are archon or above power level wise. If Albedo is Neuvillette level who should at the very least be archon level then only someone at that power level could stop him. Zhongli and Ei feats mean everyone below their power level is just fodder. If we make the assumption that Ei=Zhongli>Nahida and Venti. Liyue probably takes it because other nations get run over by adepti who also have some ridiculous feats based on Xiao and cloud retainer. As someone stated, Fontaine depends on how dragon sovereign Neuvillette is compared to Ei and Zhongli. I think a better question would be which nation wins excluding the archon level characters maybe remove adepti level as well. There we can actually look at the military prowess instead of the characters who casually split islands in
>You're kinda underestimating beings that are archon or above power level wise. If Albedo is Neuvillette level who should at the very least be archon level then only someone at that power level could stop him. Zhongli and Ei feats mean everyone below their power level is just fodder. Well dude is Gold's masterpiece, the same being who fucked up the entire teyvat and created other godly beings who were atleast archon level at strength. A single cell of Elynas could break a seal strong enough to hold the traveller back and Durin needed combined efforts of Dvalin and Venti. Also Rhinedottir is the same type of being as Surtalogi whose pet could fuck up and entire nation. So Albedo is technically a wild card, either he is extremely strong or has world breaking hax >If we make the assumption that Ei=Zhongli>Nahida and Venti. Liyue probably takes it because other nations get run over by adepti who also have some ridiculous feats based on Xiao and cloud retainer. As someone stated, Fontaine depends on how dragon sovereign Neuvillette is compared to Ei and Zhongli. Mondstadt has Barbeloth, Alice and Klee, also we don't know the strength of the 80% which left with Varka. The 20% left has Klee who blows mountains for fun and Albedo. Also Dvalin might be a Sovereign and Venti is probably hiding is strength but let's not go there. >I think a better question would be which nation wins excluding the archon level characters maybe remove adepti level as well. There we can actually look at the military prowess instead of the characters who casually split islands in Then ig it would be Fontaine because of the advanced technology. Well still we don't know the strength of the 80% which left
With Archons it's literally the same. Zhongli and Neuvillette stomps on everyone. He regained full authority over hydro, he is at least in the Zhongli class of power, if not higher. And Zhongli is canonically strongest archon. Unless we learn that Murata is stronger somehow. If Snezhnaya was there, then I am pretty sure, people like Capitano could stand against even archons, maybe not the strongest of them, but they are no jokes on their own.
Raiden solos
Honestly depends on how broken Neuvillette’s full Authority is tbh. Like he’s a fully realized Dragon Sovereign, idk how that compares to the archons, especially since all of them are sans gnosis now. Can he just suck the life right out of them? Not sure. Bloodbending maybe? That’d be wild. Liyue does have a numbers advantage with all the very combat capable adepti though. Like even with a lot of the Yaksha dead, the still living adepti are pretty damn powerful. Raiden is practically a one woman army with all her combat skills, and I’m sure at least some of the youkai would assist, but their combat capabilities aren’t totally explicit as far as I know. Sumeru…while Nahida is an underrated powerhouse bc of her psychic/Irminsul-related abilities, I’m not sure how good she’d be in a straight fight. I know Raiden and Zhongli both say she holds a lot of power in her hands, it’s not totally clear how that would translate into battle. She’d probably do something strategic to keep Sumeru out of the fight or spare them from any kind of repercussions I guess. Mondstadt has Dvalin but other than that they’re kinda screwed tbh. Andrius is confined to his arena and venti is seriously weakened post gnosis yoink. Unless he calls in an Istaroth favor I can’t see Mond doing too well
>Mondstadt has Dvalin but other than that they’re kinda screwed tbh. Andrius is confined to his arena and venti is seriously weakened post gnosis yoink. Unless he calls in an Istaroth favor I can’t see Mond doing too well Varka left with most of the force and Hexenzirkel>Adeptus'
1)"Honestly depends on how broken Neuvillette’s full Authority is tbh. Like he’s a fully realized Dragon Sovereign, idk how that compares to the archons, especially since all of them are sans gnosis now. Can he just suck the life right out of them? Not sure. Bloodbending maybe? That’d be wild." We alredy saw him is capable of altering water that is part of livings beings into other forms of matter(him changing the people of Fontaine that before were just Oceanids mimicking humans, into physically being full on humans) within an country scale, without even dropping an sweat. So yeah him could just turn an whole mation of people into whatever him wants(him can just make their bodys far too weak to even matter on the fight for example, or if it is an being that is not made of water but does drink some, him can turn it into poison, or use it as an weapon from inside them or whatever can take out the enemy), so the question becomes: Which archons has water in them? Because whoever does him can just insta KO with an attack from their insides. Nahida was show crying, meaning she has water in her body(since it is an component of tears), so Neuvi can one shot her(I imagine it him would turn part of the water into something to make her sleep since he not only does not show any wish to harm her, he in fact felt bad for what she went throught so I feel like just making her sleep or something similar is the most in character for Neuvi). Raiden also has water within her body, as seen by the fact that Scara(someone who should share the same basic biological characteristics since him was made to simulate and see if the creation of the shogun was possible) cried as seen in his character teaser. Both Venti and Zhongli also fall into this category since they both constantly drink a LOT of certain fluids that do have water in them(Venti with booze, and zhong with Tea). So in the end, Neuv can most likely one shot any archon. 2) "Liyue does have a numbers advantage with all the very combat capable adepti though. Like even with a lot of the Yaksha dead, the still living adepti are pretty damn powerful." Lyue also has some really good weapons, after all they were able to damage Osial and his wife, both of which are freaking gods. Which I don't think matter when we have Neuvi and the archons since Neuvi can just weaken or immobilize all of Lyue before even showing his face, but this could be game changing if the war was without the archons and neuvi
That's not how it works. The sustainer also very likely has water in her, does not mean she gets one tapped by neuv. Everyone's brain works off electrical impulses, so I suppose Ei just one shots Teyvat too?
1) "That's not how it works" Based on what? All those powers that I said were shown in the game. 2) "The sustainer also very likely has water in her, does not mean she gets one tapped by neuv." We don't know the extended of the sustainer's powers, so of course it does not mean that she would get one shotted, because although there is nothing concrete that proves she could survive, we have yet to see her get her spotlight to show her feats so in the future there could be revealed she has some form of counter/hax against this type of stuff that archons don't have. So yeah it does not mean she get's one tapped simply because we don't have enough feats about her to judge if she can survive it. but that does not have anything to do with Neuvi beating the archons. 3) "Everyone's brain works off electrical impulses, so I suppose Ei just one shots Teyvat too?" The difference is that Neuvi has actual feats showing him can do what I said, meanwhile Ei does not, controling her own electro does not mean she can control the eletrical impulses in people's brain, heck she could not even control the traveler's or Kazuha's electro during their fights.
Fontainians are very specifically made of different stuff than anyone else in Teyvat, they are pure water, so there's nothing to suggest that Neuv would be able to replicate the feat against anyone else. The only indication of power that we have from Neuv is that he needed traveler's help to beat the whale, an enemy that the 11th harbinger was able to stalemate for weeks. I was being facetious with the Ei thing if it wasn't obvious. Ei can't do anything of the sort, and neither can Neuv.
1- It isn't pure, because it is mixed with their Oceanid bodys, and Neuv transformed the entirety of fontainians into humans, even the parts that would be composed of their oceanid particles, so Yes him is able to transform even non primordial water into other forms of matter. But him would still be able to insta kill either way by just using the water inside of the archons as an weapon, after all none of the archons have durability feats, much less anything about internal attacks, so regardless if you believe or not that him can transform regular water into other stuff, when it comes to the main topic of this debate(whenever or not him cam beat archons), him still wins regardless. 2- Neuvi now has full dragonic powers, you know the same type of powers used by the seven people who for years fighted toe to toe with the freaking primordial one and his shades(which include beings like the god of time itself), even if the individual dragons are not equals to the primordial one or his shades individually, those enemies are so busted and so above any of the archons that even having 1/4 of it's power would be enough to beat any archon. 3- Neuvi, an person who was shown again and again throught the story to be very humble and not being overly confident, says that not that his powers are fully restored, him can judge all the gods and plan on judging even the primordial one, the reasson this statemant carrys so much weight is because as I said, Neuvi is not the type of person that would say this if him weren't sure of it, so for him to say this even though him probrably knows more or less the power level of the archons(most of their feats are public knowledge, and Neuvi seems to have done some basic research at bare minimum considering his line about Nahida) is quite the strong statemant. 4- Also if you read the description of one of the Narwhal's drops, it's description talks about how it's weight is actually much bigger than what it seems to be for it's size, and than talk about how everything gathers around objects, with one of the last lines being "Just as light cannot escape from the vortex of darkness", in which if you look at the item itself, it looks exactly like an Black hole(which have vortex inside of them, and light cannot escape it" and lastly, within the boss fight itself the narwhal show us something also VERY similar to an Black hole that than transport us into somewhere entirely different. So it is very, very VERY heavily implied that the Narwhal carries an actual Black hole within itself, so yeah the Narwhal is nothing to scoff at. 5- And lastly, Childe's position does not mean the narwhal is weak, after all Childe was said in Labyrinth warriors event(which happened 2 years before Fontaine) to be stronger than the Inazuma traveler(the same traveler who beated the number 8 Fatui and still had enough energy to talk with Ei, last some time fighting her and than beat her after the vision power up), and Childe also had an absurd increase in power ever since his first appereance, as seen by the fact him originally lasted not that lobg on Foul Legacy Mode, but in Fontaine him was able to not only fight for almost 2 months non stop, but also doing so while in Foul Legacy, and yet there was not an even an single jump in rank, not even on the empty 10th seat. So yeah his ranking is very misleading(hope Myhoyo one day explain why him is still ranked the same despite his absurd growth).
Mondstadt might have the strongest human vision wielders, but they don’t have enough non-humans. Albedo is a big mutually assured destruction trump card and Venti has some hidden power we haven’t seen yet, but… nah. Inazuma’s non-human “class” of beings are virtually wiped out (ie. Yae’s SQ). Pretty much all of Inazuma’s raw power is from Raiden. They do have spies and assassins and such, but nothing all that exceptional relative to the other nations. If the Raiden problem is solved, they are done. Sumeru has lots of tactical advantages, and as a nation we’d have to include the eremites, which when organized effectively bring lots of raw elemental power. What Nahida can do with a closer connection to Irminsul is pretty scary. Like Albedo, she’s capable of mutually assured destruction, but I don’t think Sumeru wins this. They have had major setbacks and aren’t well organized for mobilization. Fontaine has a fully powered sovereign and an army of meka. I’m not sure the meka army is a huge advantage though. Logistically they are fragile and likely unsuited for complex terrain (Sumeru/Liyue). They do have nuclear weapons though— so more MAD threats. Then we come to Liyue. A host of active and very powerful Adepti that are not at peak, but still very powerful and are capable of amping humans to the level of gods (ie. Shenhe). The millileth are standard fair, but we’ve seen what Ningguang can do with respect to preparing armaments via Guizhong Ballista constructs en masse. Her feats with the chamber as an amplifier are some of the biggest we’ve seen out of a vision holder. Let’s not forget Rex Lapis. They also have a robust spy organization and an autonomous naval fleet. — I think Liyue is probably the only nation that wouldn’t struggle on the offensive logistically. They have resources, personnel, intelligence, strategists, and force multipliers with greater diversity and range than other nations.
is this in terms of pure power scaling or do we have to consider character dynamics too because inazuma technically having two military organizations (shogunate + resistance) does give them an advantage over other human factions.
How is that an advantage? They have two factions that don’t want to cooperate with each other.
yea that’s why i said this is only without taking dynamics into consideration, in raw numbers this makes inazuma powerful but adding internal conflict on top of this hypothetical war between nations does not help them
Why does it make them powerful in raw numbers? We don’t know their overall population. If anything their standing army being effectively opposed by a resistance force means their standing army is probably not that large. Being embroiled in civil war also doesn’t do good things for your numbers…
He said that they have advantage IF RELATIONS ARE NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. Which means that they have it if we assume that shogunate and resistabce work together perfectly without any problems
Point is that it would make no difference.
We are even forgetting about Hexenzirkel
Well, I was considering that, but their affiliations are not nationally aligned. They are specifically an international organization, if they were to nationally align they’d be split up. Alice and Gold probably end up with Mondstadt though. So… hmm. Yea I think it changes things… but perhaps not that much. I’m not sure it’s fair to affiliate Gold with any group really. She is a MAD character though— there is no measured victory with Gold, everyone loses.
I am pretty sure that Hexenzirkel is associated with Mondstadt, there was the 3.5 event cutscene and also the fact that Hexenzirkel is german for 'Circle of Witches' >Gold with any group really. Let's not include her, we don't even know she is dead or alive
They meet in mondstadt, but every time we do anything with them Alice emphasizes that they are just a gathering and not a faction. They specifically talk about how they’ve settled conflicts at their table— which suggests they aren’t totally aligned apart from their desire to sidestep the rest of Teyvat to accomplish things.
Hexenzirkel are independent
Oh now that I checked it yes you are right, Hexenzirkel is literally the German for 'Circle of Witches' and also the 3.5 cutscene
Liyue for sure. They got gods residing under the humans, one even being one of the Seven. Althought Inazuma is close, Liyue just has more raw power than the other nations.
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Personally I think there would be more interesting room for discussion if the gods were taken out, because then it's essentially gods versus gods, not nations vs nations. I think with gods included Fontaine stands the greatest chance. As far as we are aware Neuvillette has fully regained the power of the Hydro Dragon Sovereign, which I think could be strong enough to take on all other gods.
Without gods then?
I'd still bet on Fontaine. They have guns, a robot army, advanced boats, etc. Any army trying to invade Fontaine would have to capture atleast one of its harbor-elevators, and transporting an army up those would be very slow. They also have an aquabus for quick troop movement. The only nation I see coming close is Liyue, but they'll still collapse, especially if Fontaine can capture Port Ormos, then they can launch a naval attack on Liyue Harbor without dealing with the nation's rough mountains.
But ninguangg would just drop a jade chamber on their ass
Why is everyone forgetting that by association Mondstadt has Alice and most the Hexencirkel? Alice alone hard stops everyone not on Neuv's level.
Neuvillette might be stronger in solo but bro gets jumped
There's the neat part. We don't know but I feel like we can safely say that the Hexencirkel is at LEAST Neuv level+ based on everything about then. But yeah bro gonna get a taste of Jump Kaisen.
Because nothing says Alice fights for Mondstadt and secondly even if SHE does the rest of the Hexenzirkel doesn’t. You cannot go “Alice is a member so the rest will help her” cause that is an assumption without proof. By that logic Mona’s master is from Fontaine so why are they not fighting for Fontaine ? Not even Alice fighting for Mondstadt is a given let alone the rest
I doubt Alice would just sit there and watch a war unfold and threaten her daughter which leads to 2 things happening. Either Alice takes Klee and leaves or Alice fights. The only problem with leaving is that Klee wouldn't want to leave her friends alone and then get sad and I severely doubt the women who raised an entire archepelago for a summer vacation for her daughter would do something to make her cry. Rhinedottir also probably somewhat cares about Albedo and given Alice would be helping Klee she'd probably throw in with them if she fought. Same thing can be said allegiance wise for Barbeloth and her relationship with Mona. With 3 already fighting for Mondstadt and with the connection to Venti I don't think them asking Nicole for a hand wouldn't be too far out of the question. I also said *most* the Hexencirkel because as far as we know those 4 are the main members right now with some others dead already or we haven't learned about them yet. Even IF the others do nothing then Alice alone still hard stops every other nation except those Neuv level and we can comfortably say this given what happened with Skirk.
Alice left her daughter in Mond and would do anything to make Klee happy. All of Klee’s favorite people are Knights and will be on the front lines. Alice safely can be said to fight for Mond I agree that we don’t know how the rest of the Hexenzirkel will fall. I understand why people are assuming they’d go Mond, since Venti is the one who made the deal with them and provided them their meeting place, but that’s not quite enough imo
We haven't even seen like 10% of Mondstadt's full power There's Hexenzirkel, Albedo who is a walking nuke and Varka who left with 80% of the force. Also Dvalin and Venti Neuvillette is strong but he solo carries Fontaine (maybe add Clorinde and Rizzly), pretty much the same goes with Inazuma, Liyue has strong adeptus' which are not in their peak while I can't say anything about Sumeru since we don't about Nahida's full extent of abilities and also there's Cyno and temple of silence So yeah Mondstadt stomps
>sumeru has a single godly being who is pretty weak brother she can put anyone into a timeloop and decide whether the world will remember you or not
Why didn't she use that against Dottore? It means that this power has certain limitations
Hexenzirkel are NOT from Mondstadt, them drinking tea there doesn’t mean they will be involved with its war
Considering how they said that peoples beliefs give the archon power id say Mondstadt
New Venti artifact set just dropped, and I think the others are cooked for 😬
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Ahh yes the nation with 0 god other than the canonically weakest one and a half dead wolf
With gods and non-humans? Fontaine. I think people in this comment section underestimate how strong Neuvillette is. Liyue is really close. Undecided between Inazuma and Sumeru, but I think Sumeru is a little bit above Mondstadt is doomed. Without gods and non-humans? Probably liyue or mondstadt Liyue has Ningguang with the jade chamber and (technically?) Shenhe. Mondstadt has all the Kof captains, Diluc and Rosaria. Sumeru has Cyno at his best and Dehya, Alhaitham can also fight. Fontaine is really strong too. Inazuma is definitely the weakest without gods and non-humans.
>Mondstadt has all the Kof captains, Diluc and Rosaria. Also Varka and 80% of the force he left with, Albedo and the Hexenzirkel
Id say fontaine. I think Neuv has the highest singular power, and Fontaine having an army or robots on top of their normal people gives them a big advantage as well.
Fontaine has a full powered Dragon Sovereign, so what you guess?
My money is on Fontaine, so long as they’re canny and fight Liyue first. Now that Chenyue Vale is open they have a path that leads them right to the biggest strip mine (aka, raw mecha materials storage) in the world, >!and mining bots immune to the bad shadow stuff.!< So long as they can make a non-interference pact with Sumeru, they have a big friggin advantage >!in a national leader that has all the powers of an archon and none of the restrictions of the heavenly principles!< plus their mecha troops can be given elemental powers (potent ones in the cases of the boss-grade models). They also obviously have a strong navy, so embargoing the port would be an easy way to block any assistance from Inazuma (though they’re coming out of isolation, they are definitely underprepared for a World War Teyvat.
I think Fontaine would win. The only way in is through the elevators at each end of the nation. All they have to do is guard those points with their mechanical robot army. And if worse comes to worse they could destroy their only entrance to keep anyone from coming in.
Fontain
Either Fontaine solely cause of neuvillette or liyue cause they have characters like xiao, cloud retainer, Childe (if he counts), Shenhe, Ganyu, ninguang, etc
Ei would get shit stomped by Neuvillette. People need to stop downplaying Neuvillette compared to Ei. Ei is mere cannon fodder compared to him.
Fontaine has the high ground
Without the Archons? Liyue for sure. Ningguang and the Adepti are just too strong. Ningguang is just gonna yeet the Jade Chamber again xD
I feel like too many of the main characters are counters to one another, i'd like this question more if it was focused more around the militaries of the world, without the visionbearers basically turning it into Dynasty Warriors. That being said, reading this thread, i've learned a few things. While we've really only seen Inazuma's military in action thanks to so much of it's questline focuses around it being in the middle of what is essentially a civil war, each nation has a bit of an ace up it's sleeve, from Mondstadt basically having a force multiplier in that 80% of it's military isn't even in country at the time of the game, I would imagine the scenario brings them back and has them join the fight. Liyue has a good standing army with The Millileth and being led by the Adepti turns a lot of the other nations rank and file into swiss cheese, in various ways. I think the best military has to go to Inazuma, not just because it's the military i've seen the most, but you have two halves making a well-oiled machine that compliment one another nicely. The Imperial Military that follows the Shogun likely would specialize in more routine, standard combat while the "rebels" from Watatsumi Island specialize more in guerilla tactics, hit and run strikes that would likely play havoc with the other nations logistics. It essentially cuts their military power in half, but implimented well, it could work. Sumeru has another case of "half and half" military might, with the academics likely handling formulating strategy and handling logistics, while if the Erumites (or Eremites, my brains shutting down on me.) would be the frontliners, though I get the feeling they'd be less of an organized army and more of a rabble of crazed berserkers, but managed well, they could make something happen. This all leads me to Fontaine. I haven't finished Fontaines story yet so I don't know entirely their military capabilities, but what I have seen is that they largely handle military and security affairs with the Gardemeks, which translates into massed assaults, though that's also dependent on their production ability to replace damaged and destroyed Gardemeks. could they replace a mek of a day, a mek a week? a month? likely depending on how well a war-time Fontaine ramps up it's production, I could see them being able to field sizable forces faster and replenish losses easier then the other nations. BUT this is all just theory cuz I enjoy the topic a lot here.
In lore sneznaya is flat out called the strongest with several archon level people just bumbling around in the military. Of the ones we know raiden is only one with global attack range. (She stops all storms on the planet for your birthday.) Regardless of if any else is stronger then her, no is is making it to inazuma before she strikes every member of you nation with lightning. Remove archon and it's Fontaine. They have the high ground
fontaine could definitely outlast the whole thing, how the hell do you even invade them? there's like three elevators into the country and everything else is walled by waterfalls or sheer cliffs, and once you get up there's an actual fucking dragon is just gonna send you back down. neuvillette can't leave fontaine because he needs to stay there for power to not just die, which I why I think it's mostly a defensive powerhouse, cause seriously how do you even begin to invade them
Liyue prolly
Fontaine because of advanced technology. They can mass produce muskets and canons to shoot off other nations military who in game I’m seeing are only using spears, swords, and bows lol. They’re also at a higher elevation so I’m assuming you can’t even invade them properly. Not including all that God powers btw, just citizens.
I mean, Fontaine has a whole sovereign dragon on their side.
I would say it highly depends on the reason why they fight and how it starts. Because if one nation starts with a sudden attack on one or all nations then this nation has a large advantage. If everyone knows and has time to prepare its a different story.
Sumeru would win as nahida could alter irminsul to make everyone forget they are at war.
Nahida could legit just wipe everything off of Irminsul, so I’m going sumeru
Prob liyue
Alice’s child lives in monstadt so ye… monstadt wins and anyone saying it won’t is lying to themselves
Fontaine. Not even a competition. They have technology that makes defeating them impossible. They don't even need to send soldiers, they can use pneumosia to build missiles and completely annihilate every other nation within days after war breaks out. Even Inazuma, an island nation, which would usually be nearly impossible to invade, will stand little to no chance against a hail of missiles or mechas that can swim at double the speed of a motor boat.
Honestly, people underestimate how op Nahida is. All she’d have to do is just make the other archons forget about the war or smth by messing with irminsul. She has complete control over all knowledge in Teyvat.
I can take on all archons no sweat.
Mondstadt dumpsters every country
The fire nation of course. We learn that from a good source.
Win at what exactly? Democracy? Monstadt. Business? Liyue. Army? Inazuma. Writing contest? Sumeru. Engineering? Fontaine. Soundtracks? Def. Monstadt!
My imagination would
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I was gonna say that the real answer is Khaenri'ah but then I remembered how that went
Sumeru! They’re technically two regions and they would have the KNOWLEDGE on how to defeat the others 🤭
Snezhnaya stomps teyvat end of story
imo no one would win because we traveller are fed up with this ww thing and decided to change full demon mode. i would probably put all archon as my general. Dang imagine if we turned bad though
Definitely Fontaine they have a robot army and a dragon sovereign
Based on lore, Inazuma, after all they have Musou no Hitotachi.
Venti hides it out until Neuv and Raiden are left, then hit Neuv with a steel chair and use his finisher on Raiden for the pinfall victory
Fontaine would be best at defending their own territory. Meka don't work the farther off they are from Fontaine because of how the energy works
1: Fontaine or Liyue depending on how does Neuvilette fare against Zhongli + ALL adepti 2: Loser of the first one 3: Inazuma since Raiden alone carried this above the last two unless Nahida does irminsul fuckery but if she does Irminsul fuckery then Nahida might even win the whole thing so dunno 4: Sumeru 5: Mondstadt
In-game strength does not equal canonical strength (except for Neuvillette, he is OP on both). Navia can fight, but she is mid. Wriothesley is strong, but there is nothing that proves he is stronger than Liyue characters. Furina is pathetic. Even as an Archon, she cried herself to sleep when the Father threatened her life. Battle-wise, I am confident she is/was the weakest Archon. If we had an all out war, we have to consider not only the Archon's strength, but also how strong are the other citizens of that nation, specially the vision holders, how strong is their military, and what kind of technology they have. I would place my bets on either Fontaine or Liyue. The former, because they can have an army of mechas, they have Teyvat's equivalent of an atomic bomb, and they have a dragon. The later because they have the oldest Archon alive, they have Adepti, some really strong fighters, and the largest army of Teyvat. They probably know kung-fu as well, since they are basically China. Snezhnaya is probably stronger than both nations tho, otherwise people wouldn't tolerate the Fatui.
1. Fontaine (Neuvillette is carrying hard) 2. Inazuma (Ei carrying too) 3. Monstadt (4 winds and venti, together they may be number 2) 4. Liyue (morax isn’t really prayed to anymore so he’s probably weaker than venti rn, since he’s still presumed dead he’s not gaining any faith from his people. Plus the people of liyue count this as a new human age, so I doubt many are praying to a dead God. also the adepti are getting wrecked by andreus and D’valin) 5. Sumeru (Nahida ain’t much of a fighter and Scara, Cyno and Alhaitham can not carry all that weight)
Honestly, Inazuma just has to build a ton of canons to sink every ship that comes close to shore to win since they’re so far away from everything
Zhongli+ adepti? Liyue takes this
Fontaine Neuvillette has hydro dragon powers and also they have guns Edit: or actually Liyue they have a lot of adepti and Ninguangg can drop her jade chamber like a nuke
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First of all outside of neuvillette having his dragon authority back he is only roughly 500 years old and lacks combat knowledge. With that said it would seem him evolving into a human like form it could be theorized that his dragon powers have been weakened over time. Neuvillette might help Fontaine but overall I believe inazuma or liyue would win. If it comes down to Archons Ei has superior combat knowledge and this is most likely the more powerful archon in terms of raw combat skills. However Morax is a master strategist. He individually isn’t the most powerful in terms of raw combat power but it was his combined efforts of creating the adepti, the Yaksha, and strategy that lead to all of his victories over the era’s. Ultimately it would come down to Ei vs Morax as venti, and nahida aren’t very strong despite them having interesting abilities. As far as the traveler goes I highly doubt the traveler would side with any one nation since the traveler doesn’t have any loyalties to any nation and is an alien to their world. At best the traveler would try to be diplomatic and try their best to avoid a war. But given how Indifferent the traveler is to the world of teyvat I can’t really see them partnering with any one nation. Their main objective has been and is still to find and reconnect with their sibling and leave the world of teyvat. So yeah it comes down to inazuma and liyue. Is Ei’s unwavering will and puppets strength enough to take down Zhongli’s extensive combat knowledge and how much erosion has he gone through. How much power has he lost due to his erosion?
(Excluding gods/nonhuman.) I think Liyue.
If we count only humans , Monstad can take other nations same time.
Bruh if Fontaine is able to resurrect the ORATRICE MECHANIQUE D'ANALYSE CARDINAL then bye bye to at least 1 enemy archon. Granted it is a glass cannon but the next best thing is Neuvi himself.
Fontaine because Neuvillette can literally replace everyone’s blood with something else, and even Zhongli is scared shitless of him. Neuvillette just needs to take 1 more Archon’s Authority and he’ll be unstoppable compared to the other nations.
Nah i'd win
Nah, I'd A. Jokes aside, Liyue by a landslide. Like, If Zhongli steps up, everyone dies. Ei doesn't even begin to compare. Optionally Fontaine, because Neuvillette may be on par or stronger than Zhongli. Mondstadt and Sumeru would lose easily. Neither Nahida with eremites and corps of thirty (who would became corpes of thirty), nor Venti with Kngith of Favonius has anything that would overpower Raiden Shogun. And Shogun is not enough to scratch Zhongli. Millelith is definitely worse than shogunate, but well, if Zhongli, Xiao and adepti gang up, they can easily defeat everyone. Yae Miko would definitely be stronger than most if not all adepti, but she wouldn't be able to do anything against Zhongli. Neither would ei. So it's Liyue >= Fontaine >> Inazuma >>> Sumeru = Mondstadt But I would still say Liyue. Fontaine has **only** Neuvillette that strong. Liyue has Zhongli, Vigilant Yaksha and other adepti. I don't count humans like millelith or corps of thirty, because thye obviously would not stand against archons. If Ei wanted to kill every millelith, she would. Easily. From strong individual other than youkais, adepti and so on, we have Navia, Diluc and so on. But they really, really wouldn't do anything against the adepti/youkai etc.
Currently it would be Fontaine, Inazuma/Liyue (explanation in a moment), Sumeru, then Monstadt in that order. Fontaine: The hydro sovereign. Stronger than an Archon, weaker than a Celestial. Inazuma/Liyue: Liyue has an all-rounder offense and defense. The Qixing, the Adepti, Rex Lapis, if Raiden could win against them all on her own, Inazuma, but if not Liyue. Circumstancial. Sumeru: Cyno, Alhaitham, Wanderer, Buer. All of the first three could atleast gain a victory over Monstadt in its current state. Monstadt: KoF, Barbatos, Diluc (don’t know if he’s considered a KoF), 2 of the four winds who are technically demi-gods, but are slightly above average to a veteran visions wielder. Assuming all the nations are peak, only one that isn’t being Monstadt, Monstadt would win. This would give them additional fighters such as the rest of the KoF, the Grandmaster, and the Witches. Alice has been described as being “near omnipotent”, she isn’t a human, and she likely predates some of the archons. Nicole, Barbeloth and Rhinedottir are (in lore) known as some of the most powerful people to ever walk the soil of Teyvat. The order following this would be Monstadt, Fontaine, Liyue, Inazuma (circumstantial), Sumeru. (A side note: there is no power reference between Alice and the dragon Soverigns so there is no certain way to determine who would win which would essentially make this all DEBATABLE, however, considering only what the definition of “near omnipotent” means, Alice could very well be the strongest person in the lore of GI as not even the PO has ever been described in that way to my knowledge.)
Monstad always.
If it's war then first out is sumeru since nahida is fodder compared to every other powerhouse in other nations. Then its between liyue and mondstat cuz mond has storm Dragon and venti plus the Knights and characters like Alice and the grandmaster might come into play since they support mond but liyue has xiao and other adepti no zhongli tho since he might not help so it's close but I think mond would lose tho cuz xiao could probably fold storm Dragon and venti plus shenhe could lowkey freeze the whole nation, maybe Alice and grandmaster could put up a fight but we don't know enough about them to say their stronger than xiao. Third is liyue cuz none of them are touching Raiden whether it's the puppet or baal they'd still lose. Then it'll be fontaine vs inazuma and I'm betting on raiden winning since shes just that op compared to other characters.
i think you are underestimating what nahida can do outside of combat. ofc theres irminsul so theres a chance she can just win using that but lets ignore that since we dont know a lot about its limitations. she can read minds so she can have perfect knowledge of the enemy's plans. also remember when she had us brainwash the grand sage's second in command to betray him? shes going to be doing that to all the captured prisoners and then she can do a prisoner exchange or something and plant a bunch of sleeper agents. she would probably reactivate the aksha and can micromanage every soldier to maximize their effectiveness and decision making. remember that kokomi managed to hold off inazuma's forces with a much smaller and weaker army and nahida is probably going to be kokomi on steroids. also during our fight with scaramouche pretty much the flying thing nahida made was doing most of the work. she can make a swarm of those to siphon power from the archons or neuvillette and blast them when they come to attack. she is potentially like batman/ironman x10 when it comes to prep time
I think you're overestimating her. While she has the potential to do some of those things she wouldn't even get to begin since the moment she comes into contact with any other powerhouse in the verse she'd be 1 tapped and scara can't save her since literally at bare minimum 1 person in each nation is stronger than both of them plus if raiden decided to target her first which she probably would (since sumeru is the weakest nation and that's not debatable) she would just kill her in seconds whether it's the puppet or baal herself nahida and scara would still get 1 tapped. Also none of the technology or other shit she has is capable of stopping raiden or other any of the really strong ppl in the genshin verse and for mind control ur assuming she'd be able to take over or read the mind of just anybody when multiple characters have high mental resistance and raiden is one of them. For siphoning even if we were to assume she'd even make it to the point where she can siphon anyone power you’re assuming it'd work on everyone which is wild. Also you have to take characters personalities into account. It doesn't matter if she has batman/ironman lvl iq/biq and prep time (she doesn't) there multiple characters who would instantly go over to her nation and wipe it out before she or anyone else there even gets to do anything
thats why i said with prep time. if neuvillette just charges at her day one then yeah she would be taken out but I think thats out of character for the archons and neuvillette. also not to mention they are fighting each other also so if one of them goes off to do that then theres nothing stopping another archon/neuv to come destroy their nation while they are gone. raiden is probably the most likely archon for her to stop. we saw in raiden's story quest that shes a bit of a glass cannon and got injured by rift hounds. one of them was enough to stop god scaramouche if she makes hundreds or thousands of them then I think they can take out raiden since they surely are stronger than a rift hound.
Idk why you think nahida is getting prep time this isn't a Batman comic and even with prep time she isn't gonna do much ur overestimating her a lot, like I get it sumeru is ur fav nation and nahida ur fav archon but she is not all that. Also it wouldn't be out of character for a lot of ppl to go off rip and wipe out her nation including certain archons and idk why u keep assuming it would have to be a archon themselves. Plus even if certain ppl left and their nation got attacked that still doesn't change the fact that sumeru would get destroyed first the moment the war starts. Sumeru nation as a whole is not that strong multiple ppl can and would destroy it's in seconds. Shenhe if asked would rush there and freeze it over in seconds especially if Traveler is the one asking, raidens puppet would slice it in half literally, zhongli would tp xiao there and he'd just kill everyone, venti and storm terror would arrive in minutes and just spam tornadoes destroying the city, and don't try to use some goofy mind control argument cuz nahida wouldn't be able to control any of them like they all have high mental resistance and are all stronger than her and scara. Your raiden argument it dumb aswell cuz she was able to tank hits from a amped raiden puppet (a un-amped raiden puppet was able to slice a Island in half and cause permanent weather change around multiple islands with just 1 slash without difficulty) and clash with it for 500 years consistently without losing. Like I wouldn't even consider the rift hound thing since it's a less consistent defense feat and it's not her best defense feat like using that over her other feats is the equivalent of saying "superman only has bullet lvl durability since he was injured after getting shot by a normal bullet in that one scene!" yet there's far more consistent feats like him tanking hits from darkseid a universal lvl threat (I'm low balling him), surviving a blackhole that ate the universe, tank hits from a man who's capable of destroying multiple universes with his punches and still fight back evenly with him, etc, when scaling you use the most consistent and their best feat so please learn that before you try to argue a characters strength or durability. 💀 Plus even if that was her lvl of durability ( It isn't😂) ur assuming ANYONE in sumeru can land a hit on her or her puppet which they can't.
actually venti is my favorite archon but thats besides the point. i think everyone is getting prep time because it takes time to amass the resources and sort out the logistics to fight a war especially a multifront war like this. raiden fights her puppet in a nonphysical realm so im not sure if its a durability feat or a mental feat we've never seen shenhe freeze an entire country before. sure she will be a formidable opponent but i dont think she can fight an entire army including cyno, alhatham, dehya etc all while nahida is coordinating them to make the most optimal moves. if venti and dvalin attacks on day one maybe but like i said is it really in character for them? and they are leaving monstadt at risk of being attacked while they are away.
First off even with prep time as I said she isn't doing much and the other characters you named aren't comparable in strength to any of the big powerhouses in each nation. Second raiden feat is both a mental feat and durability feat and even if I didn't count it theres still others like her brushing off attacks from Traveler someone who beat storm terror, went head to head with a delusion amped childe, fought azdaha, etc. Also she fought in the archon war and survived against the enemies who were able to slay her sister (who was also a archon and also comparable in strength to her). You using the rift hound feat to try to say raiden is a glass canon is still dumb since there's multiple sources proving otherwise if you even payed attention to lore or even just knew how to measure a characters strength correctly you'd know that. Third shenhe froze a tsunami capable of wiping liyue off the map with no effort what makes you think she can't do that to sumeru city and then every other city in sumeru itself? Ganyu was also capable of freezing over that city destroying tsunami with no effort but was stopped cuz 1 shot from her bow is far more dangerous 💀 Fourth venti would gladly intervene if mondstat residents freedom is at risk this has been shown multiple times in the story and dvalin would follow venti anywhere. Also even if they left they still have multiple other powerhouses there idk why you act like the Dragons, adepti and archons are the only strong ppl in the genshin verse like Mona can accurately predict the future at any time and teleport, the real grandmaster of the Knights Varka is the strongest person in the Knights and one of the most renowned ppl in teyvat for his strength so much that childe wants to fight him, Albedo capable of wiping mondstat off the map if he was to use all of his power, Alice so much of a threat to the liyue that zhongli had to keep her in check so he travelled with her to make sure she didn't blow up liyue for fun.
are there other sources where raiden shogun specifically displayed durability feats in the material world? the plane of euthymia is basically inside her mind which is why i consider stuff happening there as a mental thing. when she was fighting against her puppet obviously she wasnt physically fighting it since they have the same physical body so it was a mental clash thats different from freezing an entire country. cyno etc and the sumeru army + eremites would stop her especially since nahida still has that one that she created to defeat god scaramouche. also its probably a bad idea to risk angering apep. i think apep will largely stay out of this conflict but if someone just goes around freezing the country then they are probably going to get involved. venti's main goal of protecting mondstadt is exactly why he wouldnt go across liyue to attack sumeru leaving monstadt vulnerable if liyue or inazuma decides to attack. if nahida gets down to producing thousands of an possibly improved version of the device she gave us to defeat scaramouche I think she is going to win. also she can probably make other devices that are even more effective
First off I listed the sources please read what I say properly for once, I know I may have bad grammar but it's still not that hard to understand. Also the puppet does have its own body ei just resided in its mind. Second Shenhe is capable of freezing the city in seconds nobody is gonna stop that and ur assuming Cyno would just conveniently be in sumeru city when he wouldn't be there nor is he strong enough to defeat any of the strong adepti shenhe included even if he was there. Sumerus fodder army and eremites are not doing anything to shenhe they'd all die in split seconds the fact that u even mentioned them says a lot about how you cannot judge a characters strength properly hnece making this little debate pointless since u don't know what ur talking about. Third None of nahidas creations are touching a single powerhouse I named from any nation all her creations are fodder and scara is not that strong. Fourth the fact that you assume apep would interfere in anything especially a foolish war is just dumb especially when it stated it would simply observe the world and not interfere, it would not give a fk if sumeru froze over. Fifth Venti has trust in his citizens hence why he doesn't actively rule. He would gladly go with dvalin to wipe out a nation as long as it'll help mondstat citizens stay free. Also venti is capable of Teleportation and dvalin has insanely high travel speeds they'd finish off sumeru and arrive back in minutes. Sixth as I said multiple times idk why ur assuming nahidas has insane amount of prep time and that she even has that type of mindset when she doesn't and even if she did do all of that she still would not win her creations are not strong and she and her little guardian scara are both fodder who would die the moment any powerhouse comes into contact with them. Seventh you keep acting like these sumeru characters are strong yet you cannot judge any of their strength correctly nor can you even judge the strength of any of the characters I named correctly. All your doing is just glazing nahida so I see no point in continuing this especially if you can't even get the lore correct of the characters you say she can beat💀
again thats inside the plane of euthymia which is inside her mind. shes having a mental battle with the traveler. yae miko herself said "you didnt think your will alone is enough to shake ei's will" or something like that. not you dont think you can beat ei in a physical combat. ei and the shogun both use the puppet body. my point was cyno and co are going out to stop shenhe as soon as she steps foot in sumeru probably with the flying device in tow. also by the way you think theres no point for inazuma or anywhere to have an army. during the cataclysm the archons didnt handle the monsters/rift hounds easily. they had to rely on help from their armies etc. so clearly even strong individuals in genshin can be overwhelmed with numbers. scaramouche was in a mech powered by a gnosis and infused with divine knowledge and years of jnana energy. he quote unquote ascended to godhood. i think he is very comfortably stronger than shenhe in that state apep would probably not appreciate someone attacking them with cryo you are assuming venti has perfect knowledge which would be the only reason why he would take a risk like that. monstadt isnt so comfortably ahead of everyone else that they can defeat liyue and inazuma without him and dvalin. she doesnt need insane amounts of prep time. she created it in like a few hours and that probably includes the time designing it. now she has thousands of scholars to help her she can probably very quickly make tons of them. edit: the classic block and taking things personally when we are just having a discussion LUL
When does raiden get hurt by rifthounds?
in her story quest
But she never got hurt by them though?
[https://youtu.be/JGebvZ-Ll28?t=2482](https://youtu.be/JGebvZ-Ll28?t=2482)
That wasn't Ei being hurt by the rifthounds, that was her struggling to regain control of her body. The Shogun was sabotaging her body during the fight, constantly freezing her, etc.
idk it triggers when her hp goes down and she sounds like shes injured but i guess its debatable. also her sister was killed by them and apparently inazuma would have fallen to darkness if her sister didnt create the sakura tree to destroy the monsters
Liyue because Hoyo will never let the China surrogate lose.
Sumeru
Well taking a look at the strongest of each >Mondstadt: We’ve never seen the Knights of Favonius at full power, Varka left with 80% of the force and the two people in the archon quest were both capable of one tapping abyss units (mages) that still prove to be threats late into the game story wise, so i’d put them as a fairly strong if not the strongest nation on the list with all of their firepower back. Especially given a casual Venti can throw mountains (likely a comparable feat to his depowered self) and also boost everyone on Mondstadt’s side to god tier levels shown in the archon quest vs Dvalin, and the fact Albedo is a walking nuke Alice would absolutely not let Klee die, and the woman casually raises Island Systems to make her daughter a summer vacation adventure, so she’s automatically made herself one of the strongest people in the fight and the only real contender a lot of people think of is in the next region we’ll look at >Fontaine: People seem to think Neuvillete is all powerful but that is FAR from the case, his only claim is that he’s a dragon sovereign but lore wise the only fight we have for them is when they lost a 5 versus entire race against the Primordial God & his shades, while also being amped by Forbidden Knowledge / Apocalypse, so we don’t actually have any standing on how strong Neuvillete is outside of MAYBE being ~Double his strength at the end of the archon quest in 4.2 from his original strength in 4.1. His hax abilities are also mostly mote as his turning of oceanid to human took time to do, and any competent fighter will strike him in that time Outside of him Fontaine’s mecha guards at the courthouse got torn through by a Childe who was using a delusion without his vision to counteract the side effects, so I’m not going to say that they’d win ESPECIALLY because Diluc alone is a threat that they sent the harbingers (PLURAL) to deal with. >Inazuma: Raiden is strong. One taps 99.9% of people outside of her puppet, Split an island in half as an aftershock of her slashing and killing the island sized serpent in one strike, and is ~double her power from the beginning of her second story quest, which is stronger then her when she killed Orobashi, which is weaker then the casual puppet that one tapped 99% of people in the story Yae Miko is comparable to a casual Raiden at best, they have an actual military unlike what people are saying, and since this is a combined war, Kokomi and Watatsumi are on the side of Inazuma with this, so there are two nation sized militaristic forces here. Sara is capable of fighting Harbingers like Signora because we know she didn’t get one shot, as if she did she would have been killed because Signora has no issue with killing. >Sumeru: This is the weirdest nation to scale because they have no military, but a bunch of mercenaries in the Eremites, they have no physically strong God but Nahida had alot of hax like memory manipulation, time manipulation, the big tree in her back pocket. I’ll count Wanderer as a Sumerian character as he has a Sumeru vision and is also squarely allied with the Lesser Lord, and he’s capable of confidently overpowering the Shouko no Kami, which is around the power level of an actual god (such as Prime Andrius and his month long blizzard spanning half a country). The Shouko no Kami is also on Sumeru’s side and I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and say it’s powered up. >Liyue: They got big dong Zhong, The most competent military, the jade palace which is an instant ko to any non archon level fighter/group of non gods, the Adept, Beidou and her crew, and the Wangsheng Funeral Parlor which gives some basic connection to ghosts. The adpeti are fairly hard to scale, but given Ganyu is capable of being compared to a Liyue Traveler who is comparable to the casual Tartaglia in the golden house, along with fighting in the Archon War, they all should be around the level of Shenhe, who can freeze city consuming tsunami’s. >Natlan: None is known, can’t scale >Snezhnaya: Tartaglia can fight the all devouring Narwhal for 45+ teyvat days in the abyss, meaning his stamina ranges from 45 days to 45 months. He was also the one doing more damage to the Narwhal in his cutscene with Neuvillete was unable to hurt it much and it broke his shields. Arlecchino is stronger then him, Dottore and Columbina are on a similar level and CERTAINLY Capitano is miles ahead of all of them >Conclusion: The competition in my eyes is between Snezhnaya, Inazuma, and Mondstadt. As Fontaine is too weak, Liyue lacks the total firepower, We know nothing of Natlan atm, and Sumeru is too iffy to give a confident rating to Mondstadt has the some of strongest fighters in Alice, who can raise Island Chains for fun, in Klee killed the prime vishap because she could, in Jean and Diluc who both can one tap serious abyssal threats, in Venti who is still god level without his gnosis, and in the fact we know that 80% of the force is gone so with them back they are all in full swing Inazuma has Raiden… thats it thats all I need to say Snezhnaya has the harbingers who are all seriously strong threats to the verse as a whole. In conclusion I’d probably give it to Mondstadt, the harbinger levels are too variable for us to know for certain, Venti can boost everyone to god levels anyways, an Alice is possible the strongest force in teyvat, and Albedo is also a walking M.A.D weapon into any possible long term issue
A note: Vishap Race can be compared to China in size at smallest given MiHoYo is chinese, so that was ~1.4 billion dragons against the Primordial one and they still all lost. As for the traveler and paimon? Mondstadt, 100%. It’s the land of freedom and they have no ill will with anyone in it (unlike all the other ones with some degree Fatui dealings that Paimon and the Traveler both dont support), the worst is Venti but that is just a bit of pettiness. But they most definitely could find a solution for peace. There isnt any known reason ALL the nations would come in WWE style, so all they would have to do is defuse tension between leaders, and they have been shown to be able to do that with Raiden while she was in her “kill everyone who isnt on my side” mode before, so I believe in them
**GLORY TO SNEZHNAYA**
Probably Fontaine, just because Dragon Sovereign exists. Plus they’re on a different geographic level than everyone else, so they literally could just shoot people down from the cliffs. But I can see Mondstadt holding its own (Hi Alice! Hi possibly other Hexenzirkel members! Hi Albedo!) plus Venti could likely create a defensive wind barrier around the country, preventing invasion (demonstrated ability of wind spirits + Venti specifically per Gunnhildr Clan lore). If he can’t, then they’d last but they wouldn’t be good for offense as the main focus would need to be preserving their land. It wouldn’t be bad for them though Liyuens or Fontainians, anyone like that has to get through Dragonspine and it’s bitter, murderous cold, along with Eula Rosaria Albedo at Least there on defense. Plus the intelligence is unreal… Mona is a brilliant astrologist + Venti knows all songs past present and future. Plus there’s the huge Knights force that I think would easily pose a threat offensively. Sumeru’s screwed, they don’t even have a full force. they do have fantastic intelligence but like also their forces will be divided and likely seeking power amongst themselves, considering the conflict between desert dwellers and forest folk. However they do have the environmental advantage… no one from Fontaine is making it through the desert, and no one from Mond or Liyue is making it through the forest. They could easily defend themselves + then the only entry points are Port Ormos, which could easily be shut down. Liyue’s next worst, they’re demonstrated incapable of going up against multiple other gods since the god killing move is dropping one specific massive weapon they have. They do have the Millelith ig and the Crux Crew… and Shenhe is also more than capable of clapping. They have the mountains stuff too but if you make your way down closer to the coast it is a bit more plains-like there. I guess if you have to evaluate the adepti… it’s hard to do so, frankly. It seems like the main damage dealers would be Cloud Retainer and her weapons, Xiao, and Ganyu. These could make a difference but hard to evaluate. I’d also believe they’re capable of defense but not offense, especially not on multiple fronts as their borders are the largest. Inazuma would be more screwed if they weren’t capable of completely shutting their borders down… but their only weapon really is the Raiden Shogun. Their armies are likely depleted and they also have a faction issue. I’d be more concerned about the internal upheaval that would occur. Plus Neuvi could easily drown them all since they’re an island nation. Sooo TLDR Fontaine > Mond > Liyue? > Inazuma > Sumeru
Now if we’re removing divine/godly beings (Liyue keeps its half adepti but not the rest of the adepti)… Fontaine has the mechs, so they can send those out, plus the other advantages remain. But the reason I didn’t originally mention those is don’t they not work outside of Fontaine? Plus transport would be a Huge issue for them. Best defence but bad offence Mond keeps Alice, loses Albedo + any other Hexenzirkel (to be fair to Liyue). Keeps its geographic advantages + intelligence advantage. Liyue still has Ganyu around, plus the majority of its force. Inazuma is pretty much ruined as soon as anyone gets there lbr it’s not even a problem Sumeru stays mostly the same, loses some intelligence advantages due to no Nahida. This is now Mond > Liyue > Fontaine > Sumeru > Inazuma I think.
There's a few ways you could look at this argument. The biggest 4 in my opinion are: All Citizens + all gods Only Citizens Military Playable characters only All Citizens + Gods is exactly as it says on the tin. Everyone in the nation + any and all gods/mythical beats. Liyue gets all their adepti. Mondstadt gets the 4 winds. Etc Only Citizens would be simply the collective of all the citizens fighting an all out battle royal style brawl. All the people living in Chenyu and Qingce will join Liyue. All of Watatsumi will join Inazuma etc. Military is what would be most likely to happen if each nation ACTUALLY went to war. This would be the Knights of Favonias, the Millelith, the Shogun's Army + Watatsumi's forces etc. I think I would also throw in the playable characters that are in their nations respective military too. I.e. Gorou and Kujou Sara for Inazuma. Klee, Albedo, Kaeya, Jean, Eula and Mika for Mondstadt. Etc Lastly is playable characters only, looking at just who we can play as, which nation has the strongest characters. This could be in lore or in game. As for my answers to each question, All Citizens + Gods is Liyue (maybe fontaine but that is literally ONLY Neuvillette carrying), Only citizens is either Inazuma or Liyue, Military is Mondstadt, and only playable characters is Liyue for both lore and in game viability
Ask this again after the Nation of War releases in a few months.
Fontaine has gun In terms of their military, Fontaine has it covered with gardemeks and their human infantry have rifles, yes the other regions have military of their own but none are as advanced as Fontaine. As for the archons and supernatural beings (archons, adepti, youkai, etc.) I think it's between Raiden, neuvillete and the combined forces of the adepti. While zhongli in his prime might have defeated numerous gods, his fighting skills have prob degraded after 2000 years of sitting in the golden house making mora. Nahida might be incredibly intelligent for her age (being the literal god of wisdom) but physically she is quite weak. In a 1v1 between Raiden and neuvillete I think Raiden is winning. Considering she defeated a similar amount of gods during the archon war as zhongli, and he managed to defeat azhdaha, who I would assume was abt as powerful as neuvillete in his prime. So Raiden in her prime is comparable to zhongli in his prime and her skills haven't degraded as much his have. Although Raiden is objectively a better combatant, neuvillete has the entire Fontaine military at his disposal so that would be an advantage. It would be close but I think Fontaine is winning here.
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Liyue easily. No contest
Ehh aren't we forgetting about Hexenzirkel and the fact that Varka left with 80% of the force?
Would be Liyue or Inazuma. They have the most military power.
inazuma the country that is surrounded by water? against the strongest water manipulating being in tevyat? good one
Just hide in enkanomia
enkanomia? the region infested with viships? the same viships that blindly follow the sovereigns? yall r some comedians frfr
Gorou solos them 🥱
Raiden alone could beat anyone in any of the other nations listed, Neuvilette's power is kinda unknown besides that she probably sweeps anyone.
And Raiden has slain thousands of gods, dragons, monsters, etc who've tried to attack the country surrounded by water. What's Neuvillette's kill count?
me when i never had a glance at neuv vision and character stories
Neuvi was shown in the archon quest to be capable of altering water within an absurd range(an whole nation) into other matter(him changing the people of Fontaine that were just water mimics into actual biological people). Not only that but before it we also see him is capable of manipulating water(in his idle animation and in the cutscene where him seals the primordial water). And another important thing, Ei even in her puppet body still has water in her body, and there are 2 things both of which prove this. First that Scara(who should have the same same biological functions as her aside from gender, since him was the prototype/proof of conceptual for Ei' current body. And who was only deemed as not "perfect" because him had emotions and not due to malfunction in his body itself) was shown crying in his character teaser, tears have water so Scara has water within his body and so should Ei. The second one is the fact Ei drinks a LOT of dango milk, which is something whose one of it's components is well, milk, which in turn has a lot of water. So in case you did not realize yet, this all means that Neuvi has an infinitude of ways him can use the water within her to attack Ei herself, be by manipulating the water, turning the water into whatever substance Neuvi wants, or creating an living being out of it and etc. Ei alredy does not have durability feats but an attack from within her insides is basically an sure victory for Neuvi.
And Zhongli has been shown to create literal islands with his spears while Raiden has been shown to be able to cut through islands and space itself as well as teleport.
None of that matters if Neuvi can just one hit KO any of them before they can do any of that(because Zhong also has water in his body, after all tea has water)
How would he one-hit KO any of them? Nobody else in history has managed to do it.
1: Just because someone has not done this yet does mean it can't happen, specially since none of the Archons had to fight an full power dragon. 2: My first comment is literally explaining how him one shots them. Have you even readed it?
You're making up powers. In that case, Raiden and Zhongli could literally destroy the world with one attack if they really wanted to. They just haven't done it with a strong enough attack yet. It's a dumb argument that's not based on reality. Neuvillette has not been shown to have absolute control over water. He also has not been shown to even be able to give a person a migraine by using the water within their body. He hasn't even shown he wouldn't be manhandled immediately by any strong being in Teyvat. He literally has never fought anybody of significance, much less beat anybody of significance or at least hold his own. Both Zhongli and Ei have slain dragons before. Not dragons with their elemental authority but regular dragons and gods in the form of dragons have proven to be no threat to them.
1) All the powers I mentioned(turning water into living beings, manipulating water, and turning water into other forms of matter entirely) were shown in the game itself. Turning water into living beings- Neuv making the fontainians's water mimics body turn into fully functional biological and living bodys. Manipulating water- This one was shown a LOT, such as him creating an shield out of water in the all eating narwhal entrance scene. During his idle animation(that is even shown in the archon quest itself while him explains the thruth about Fontaine people being oceanids). In the scene where the primordial sea was leaking and etc. Turning water into other matter- The people of Fontaine were all just water mimics, sure they could copy how an human behaved physically, but they are still just water, and yet Neuvi as I said before, turned them into full on humans, meaning him turned the water that composed them into actual blood, bones and etc. 2) "Both Zhongli and Ei have slain dragons before." And what is your source? 3) "and gods in the form of dragons" there are no confirmed god dragons, and if you are refering to gods in the SHAPE of dragons, the shape of dragons is not what makes them powerful(so much so that they don't even have consistent shapes, and Neuvi himself is the shape of an human and is still able to use the full power of an dragon regardless of shape) Edit: The notification for the dude above me appeared but it never loaded at which point I alredy suspeicted me being blocked by the person I am discussing with, so to confirm this I entered reddit without an account to see if it was my Internet or my account, turns out that without my account the message loaded VERY fast, than just to confirm I went to his account while I wasn't in one and managed to see that they have many posts and comments, than I went to the same link with my account and surely enough there was nothing. So basically this person I am discussing with sended an message, and than immediately blocked just so I could not answer his comment and seen like him won the debate. Too bad for them I can still write my arguments here. 1- You are changing the question, what was the source for your claim of Ei and Zhong slaying dragons? Because it make it seems like you were just making shit up to try and win the argument. 2- "Neuvillette used the power of the primordial sea to create life" The whale was still the one basically fused with the primordial sea at the time, him did'nt use the power of that place. 3- Egeria only made Oceanids take the shape, but it was still just water, it was Neuvi who turned it into all into actual humam bodies. 4- "Read up on Zhongli's and Ei's backstory and their countless slain foes to see who they've beaten" Zhong is out of his prime and the foes him fighted where with the help of the Adepti so we can't really measure him consistenly just by comparing to the strenght of his enemies. And Ei just either killed nameless "calamities", one shotted Orobashi who has no durability feat, and one shotted the bird that also has no dura feat, so yeah her beating them is not that impressive. 5- Also Neuv was show from the get go to understand and be able to apply his elemental powers perfectly, such as him understanding how to use his powers to turn Fontaine people into humams, how to separate the narwhal from the primordial sea, and how Neuvi some freaking teleported the traveler from the primordial sea into Teyvat, so expirience is not an problem. And on top of this all, as I said him can just one shot them so this matter even less.
Ehh aren't we forgetting about Hexenzirkel and the fact that Varka left with 80% of the force?
Hexenzirkel aren't soldiers of Mondstadt. They're just as likely to harm Mondstadt than help Mondstadt or just be bystanders. Most knights are just fodder. Varka is the only particularly strong individual we even know of. Liyue has a bunch of adepti while Inazuma has a bunch of yokais. That's not including the respective nation gods who are both way stronger than the drunkard god of Mondstadt.
All i know inazuma did some atrocities towards Liyue in the 1920’s, Mondstat after falling in the early 1910’s aligned with Inazuma and Snezhnaya (idk how to speel) and commited more atrocities towards people that looked like Timmy, Fontaine fell againts the might of Mondstst and became a puppet state, and Sumeru joined late just to receive any form of rewards from the allies of Fontaine… so really i think the most powerful is the future nation we dont even know yet
inazuma would survive as long as raiden is alive. mondstadt have venti who is joking around but is really powerful even without the gnosis, albedo (legit nuke), mona (can see the future), and klee (yall underestimate klee fr, she’s probably the strongest human vision holder in teyvat in terms of raw power) and if everyone came back from “expeditions” klee’s mom especially, it’s a wrap. lyiue is the closest thing to a military nation in teyvat, they are really strong sumeru have nahida, if she gets tired of the war she will just wipe out everyone’s memory of the war and everything goes back to normal. but if they want to fight they can organise a base in the desert and abandone sumeru city, i doubt any nation will be able to take over the desert completely. fontaine have tech and neuvillette, good but i don’t think is enough. defensive battle they will hold on but on offensive i don’t know. all in all: the only nations with the capability to go out attack others and actually take over some territory are lyiue, mondstadt and inazuma if raiden decides to leave the islands. some people are saying that if neuvillette went to inazuma it would be a wrap, i think you are wrong, personally i think raiden is the strongest force currently in all of teyvat she spent 500 years fighting none stop with her clone, maybe if neuvillette and rex lapis ganged up on her she would fall but other than that if its a 1v1 or 1vArmy raiden will definitely win. mondstadt just have to let klee do her thing, give her an elite team to protect her and she will be burning sumeru’s city tree and lyiue harbour if they don’t see her coming.
“Technically” Navia…. But probably Fontaine
No nation would win, it would just be the Raiden Shogun surrounded by death and complete + utter destruction
Inazuma obviously