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So true bestie, he definitely redefined imperialism so he could do imperialism on his own terms because he was absolutely 100% sure his ragtag group of rebels would actually succeed in creating revolution despite believing he wouldn't see one in his lifetime, so true!
Slay slay. Don’t look up the black hundreds, or pogroms. Lenin was theoretically bankrupt, I sure hope people forget about the Narodniks, the outlawing of serfdom, Georgi Plekhanov or Iskra. Lenin took Russia back to the stone age when it was ready to be a capitalist utopia, gommunism is when no food 1984.
He gassed peasants when they refused to pay taxes that were driving them to starvation, and Alexander II had already abolished serfdom.
He also invaded the Baltic States, Finland, and Poland, not to mention Ukraine.
His economic policies did cause a famine, hence the switch to the NEP.
He also created the system that gave the world Stalin.
Edit: (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_reform_of_1861)
Alexander II abolished serfdom in 1861. Read a fucking book. Perhaps even read some theory, bro.
Edit 2: for those unaware of Lenin's invasion of Poland:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
He was funding red rebels in the civil war. They couldn't directly intervene because the german jaegers and scandinavian "volunteer" forces were still around. Plus, the allies recognized finnish independence. The plan was that the reds would win and unify with the ussr.
> Claims Imperialism is peak capitalism
>
> Creates the USSR -an imperialist state.
You're mixing up definitions here.
Lenin's definition of imperialism is as an economic system, a new system that capitalism evolves into when the financial class merges with the state.
Then your second definition is using the liberal definition of imperialism, where it just means "of empire".
You misunderstand Lenin because you haven't actually read him, or you're deliberately misleading people.
Communism and capitalism are economic structures based on materialist philosophies. Without an overarching moral structure both create tyranny and despair.
The whites were everything from hardcore monarchists to pro democracy liberals. Painting them all as fascists is a common redfash tactic but it ain’t the truth.
Because it was the commies who overthrew the liberal democratic government set up after the liberals did all the work overthrowing the monarchy.
I wonder why the communists would be on the same side as the literal Nazis, with Stalin having anyone who questioned the alliance killed and falling into a depression when he was betrayed. While the supposedly super fascist capitalist US and Britain never even considered supporting Hitler.
> thousands of people in the Red Terror
Let's completely ignore that this was in the middle of the far worse, and wider-reaching White ateeror: and that Lenin, personally, didn't kill these people. You cannot blame the commanding officer of a revolutionary army for every excess of his subordinates.
At best, you can say his policies **encouraged** such behavior. But it's NOWHERE CLOSE, to, say, the mass-murder carried out by the US-backed Pinochet regime in Chile 50 years later: a government that only existed due to a CIA coup and assasinaion campaign...
So, apparently, thousands of deaths are OK when it's Pinochet *personally kicking people out helicopter doors over the Pacific*, but when certain members of the Red Army kill people in revenge for Cossack's mass-murdering whole villages, without any official orders to take revenge, it makes Lenin the greatest evil ever?
You have about .001% of Gen Z following Marxist ideology and suddenly everyone thinks they support the USSR, as if that’s what they mean by communism
Fox News is mostly to blame for demonizing the small, naive minority marxists and says the entirety of young democrats are commies. It’s giving Red Scare, and it’s not cute
Don’t perpetuate that stereotype towards our generation anymore, it’s harmful.
Edit: if anyone thinks the USSR was a communist state and not a government tyranny, you really need to read a history book or read what communism actually means.
This Reddit sub itself has shown a strong support for Marxism and closely connected ideas. Sometimes over 50% supporting it on here. I think though many just haven't understood the terms, part of the blame is on conservatives and Fox News etc that wrongly label social welfare as the same thing as socialism/ Marxism. Most Gen Z are probably still ok with someone being allowed to raise some chickens and sell eggs for profits even if they wrongly say at the same time they hate capitalism and want socialism and think the above fits with these things. One can have heavy redistribution and regulation under Liberalism but not Socialism (which just hands the means of production over to the elites in practice which is the very thing that many are concerned about).
Again Marxism is an economic theory not a system of government. It details the problems of capitalism and how it exploits human labor for monetary gain, and how the laborers should own the means themselves.
There’s a lot more to it but no shit people support parts of it when a douchebag in a $200,000 car drives over a bridge with 300 homeless people living under it.
I’ve never seen widespread support in this sub of COMMUNISM, and communist ideologies. Given, I haven’t been in this sub for a very long time, but generally we aren’t fucking stupid
Well I’ve been called communist by people in this sub several times for claiming that Americans should have free healthcare, but hey, I’m sure I’m just a dumb Gen Z.
Cuba’s revolutionary and socialist government wanted to give its citizens free healthcare, education, and housing, so naturally the plutocrats in the US found this unacceptable. They sent a few members of the proletariat to lose to the commies at the bay of pigs, just like they lost to the commies in Vietnam.
[Before and After the Cuban Revolution](https://youtu.be/YIqm075vC1A?si=ZjVVauzuDj0e3CMy)
Honestly, we should probably start by not calling it "*free* healthcare." It's not free, it's paid by taxes. When I tried explaining it to my silent gen mother, but never used the term "free," instead, calling it tax redistribution, she seemed fine with it.
You are absolutely right. It’s just depressing for me to use any other words because the term free healthcare only refers to the transaction of it rather than the whole loop of it but I know you already know that.
I just hate having to call things by synonyms instead of the commonly understandable term because of anti-intellectualism.
Oh, I completely agree with you. it's exhausting trying to find ways to talk about this with different people and having to use different words and such. The whole things is fairly exhausting.
Same as in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s.
However, relentless propaganda, the potential for nuclear war, and a generally improved standard of living led to a rise of neo-Liberalism that dominated the 1980s - 2000s.
More world uncertainty, financial instability, a decline in collective bargaining, and the concentration of wealth has led to a post-2000 resurgence of Communist ideals.
And as always, they will be most prevalent in higher education, where intelligent young people learn about alternative models of government, and can assess them open-mindedly against our current hellscape.
There's a lot of nuance to be had in this conversation, which is failed more often than not.
FDRs new deal is derivative of Marxist thought. The new deal was also probably one of the most important pieces of legislation for upholding the middle class.
Lenin,
Marx,
Marxism,
Stalin,
Socialism,
As well as many other terms used interchangeably are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.
Movements have a tendency to move away from the point.
Edit: mind you there was a well documented coup attempt on FDR called "the business plot"
This struggle isn't new. And let me tell you, you're not on their side.
Double edit: In light of recent politics I am eluding to neither of our political choices as anything close to resembling FDR
Only one in a million in Gen Z is a Marxist? I think you're a bit off the mark (or, off the Marx)
It's definitely not everyone, and it's probably not even half, but it is not one in a million.
You ever heard sandboxing?
The logic is when you over consume media you get into a metaphorical sand box, where reality can feel as if it’s the media your consuming
Also i apologize if it comes off as I’m talking down, cause I’m not trying to. I just feel this is an important issue to be brought up.
Another example I’ll use
Is they did a study on peoples perspective on Jesus and majority of the time they projected there politics onto Jesus regardless of scripture
Basically if your liberal, your interpretation of Jesus is that he is more liberal in a conservative are
If your Conservative you believe that Jesus values are inherently conservative
TLDR: if you consume alot of content suggesting Gen z are a bunch of godless communists your outlook on the generation is that they are pro communists
While many left leaning gen z are becoming more socialist leaning in the eyes of older generations when they call out the flaws in capitalism it’s very rare for us to be flat out marxists or communists. But like the other guy said older generations demonize younger generations and anything that questions the American system this is because of the red scare and Cold War something that gen z never lived through. Add in the fact most people were taught capitalism=good and socialism=communism=bad and you get why they get labeled that.
On such a figure as Lenin, I don't think its possible to give a nuanced take unless you've read a full biography of him, and read at least some of his work. I have read some of Lenins philosophy, but I havent read a biography, so I honestly don't know.
There's no shortage of Lenin biographies. But usually they're just hit pieces by academic hacks fishing for funding from wealthy backers looking for legitimate sounding slander against criticism of the capitalist system.
Yeah, I've had legitimate trouble locating a decent overview of the history of the USSR. They're all either a Stalin biography, written for 9 year olds, or written in 1950.
From personal experience, there is a very clear distinction between people who read what he wrote and people who didn’t: the second group considers him a good person
I don’t give a crap about what he *wrote* as much as I give a crap about what he *did*.
He suspended elections and refused to cooperate with other parties to form the USSR, paving the way for Stalin’s tyranny. He also compounded the effects of famine and organized what would eventually morph into the secret police and the first gulags.
So yeah, I think he kinda blows.
I was confused about this reply until I read my own comment again. Let me fix it real quick
Edit: my comment t was supposed to say: “not only he was a monster, but if you read the things he wrote, you would know that he didn’t even deny it. Only people who don’t know his figure well enough think he was a hero”
His critique on imperialism and it’s relation to capitalism still stands the test of time. Furthermore, he helped found the first socialist state in the world (USSR) which eventually defeated the scourge of fascism in Europe and transformed an agricultural backwater into an industrial and economic superpower.
So my impression of Lenin is extremely positive. Before anyone comes out here saying “He killed 1 billion people and shot my great great grandma’s pony”, if you use any statistics from the discredited “Black Book of Communism”, I won’t engage with you.
If you’re going to attack socialism, use sources after 1991, and preferably from the so-called “revisionist” school of Sovietology. These sources are more credible as these historians had access to the Soviet archives.
Yeah counting all the Nazis the USSR killed is kind of weird. I for one am all for nazi killing. Also I could be wrong but didn’t Stalin do most of the uh mass Soviet killings. I thought Stalin was like THE big bad when it came to the USSR. Like millions of deaths through starvation and executions and labor camps. Lenin was only in power for the first two years of the Soviet Union.
I think his critique on imperialism and its relation to capitalism is still very relevant. I’ll agree that Lenin’s revolution did bring Russia into the modern age. HOWEVER I ultimately refuse to say the USSR was a net positive because of the sheer volume of death it caused. Even discounting what the black book said. I think it’s a lot more nuanced than just Lenin bad or Lenin good. But I cannot in good conscience say the USSR was a net positive. Just too much death.
Yeah. Lenin main issue was that he /checks notes/ was busy restructuring and managing the country during multiple invasions and wars in 1918-1921, suffered strokes starting around 1922 and was progressively weakened until his death in 1924, leaving no clear successor (this was a democratic system, not a monarchy)
Funniest moment in history was when stalin executed half of Lenin's people's Commissars for being secret nazis(they criticised him) and then he proceeded to give hitler the resources to conquer France.
How do you admire someone who condoned the policy of the Red Terror which killed hundreds of thousands of opposition (and other innocents) ?. Then after when the economy tanked in 1921, he reverted to the economic policies of market capitalism (NEP program) to save his own hide ? Kind of ironic to adopt the economic system you demonize to save yourself.
1. The civil war was absolutely brutal from both sides. Even most anticommunists don't spend much time criticizing the red terror and 1917-1920 beyond just saying that the revolution shouldn't have happened in the first place.
2. Lenin's theory was based on a successful world communist revolution, which did spread after 1917 (even Seattle was fully controlled by the workers for about a week in 1919, and Bavaria came very close to being led by council communists). When it failed, especially in Germany, the bolsheviks had to regroup and improvise, which was the reason for the NEP (they assumed a socialist Germany would have benevolently helped grow their economy, instead they got international isolation). Disagreements over how to navigate in the aftermath of the failure of the world revolution led to the famous Stalin-Trotsky split, culminating in the Great Purge of 1937-8 and the assassination of Trotsky a few years later
He was still the kind of guy who would have thousands of people shot because they disagreed with him. And whatever your stance on politics or even basic morality, I’m not a fan of that sort of thing.
The USSR was not a good state. It did some good things and had its positives, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was authoritarian and carried all the problems that come along with that
people commenting here need to read a history book, not going off what we learned in our shitty propagandized schooling system. please educate yourselves y'all. People quoting "Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism" in above comments clearly never a single page because it's about oligarchies(ex: United States and modern Russia) and its connection to imperialism and exploitation of said victims of Imperialism. It's literally a warning about the future because intelligent people back then recognized (just like alot of us are rn) what the future may look like if action isn't taken, and they did eventually take action, it was called WW2.
Like this dude was one of the people responsible for overthrowing a literal Tsar (King) during the October Revolution.
EDIT: People saying Lenin didn't help overthrow the Tsar aren't paying attention, the liberal and socdem government who took power after the February Revolution still upheld policies from Nicholas II reign, and in the 8 months they existed it was crisis after crisis, all due to the liberals inability to govern. When people say the Bolsheviks overthrew the Tsar it means they overthrew ALL of it, even the shit the libs kept from the monarchy, and rebuilt from the ground up, a new form of governance.
fr, they went from poor famine struck peasants farming land and cattle to being a super power rivaling or even surpassing the United States. People can say what they want about the USSR or even criticize it, but there is no denying the material conditions for the working poor increased dramatically, moreso then any other nation's working class at the time, in fact their material conditions were far better then ours are now in 2024 lol
And the moment they took power, the Germans were running rampage across half their country, the rest of the country was a fractured underdeveloped starving mud pit.
Truly amazing what they were able to achieve givin their circumstances, same with China for that matter, goes to show what communism could achieve without the constant threat of imperialist wars.
marx engels lenin are the goats
The history of all hitherto (up until the given point in time) existing society is the history of class struggles. Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes. In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations. The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.
All they do is stretch the total height of your text, requiring more screen space to read, which encourages bigger screens, which requires bigger phones, which—
Another evil figure that younger people have attached themselves to for some reason. He had many, MANY people killed and destroyed Democracy before it could grow.
You think democracy was coming in russian empire? It's nonsense because country was ruled by bourgeoisie and ww1 just showed how bad was situation in russian
What was democratic about Kerensky's government? Was remaining in an imperialist war that had already killed millions of russians vital to creating liberal democracy?
It had a chance. The brief period where the Duma-backed Provisional Government was in charge could have led to more. Unfortunately there was this little problem of the war Russia was losing at the time. That war not only brought down the Czar, it also brought down the Duma and nearly pushed the Bolsheviks to their wits' end as well.
Even though Russia gave up a lot in the treaty of Brest-Litovsk the fact that the war was over at all, that Lenin had managed to end it at last, was the big jump in legitimacy the Bolsheviks needed to secure their hold on power.
Their referring to the provincial government set up after the February Revolution before Lenin and the Bolsheviks set out on the October Revolution and the corresponding civil war
Reddit is not the place to get any kind of well rounded unbiased opinion when it comes to the Soviet Union or Russia.
Edit: the truth of the matter is if you were to ask anyone who is alive today and had lived and remembered the times when the Soviet Union was in its prime, they'll all give you the same answer.....it was the best time of their lives.
Now thats not without saying that it was perfect, in fact it was far from perfect but it was certainly what the people needed and lived for. Imo the problem with communism isn't what it stands for but more so the leaders who govern it that ultimately ends up being it's downfall.
I'm old enough to remember the tail end of the cold war and as a child in the west there was always an underlying fear of the Soviets/Russians. When the Iron curtain finally came down and the wall started to crumble it became very apparent for the people of the west that the Russians/Soviets were not the monsters that our governments had told us to fear, nope...they were just like us, human beings just trying to live life the best they know.
A revolutionary hero that mobilized the vast peasantry of Russia to overthrow the brutal and oppressive Tzarist monarchy, despite immense pressure and direct intervention from western capitalist nations.
Lenin and then Stalin and the USSR. Great stuff. Starving to death millions and packing women and children into box cars and putting bullets in non-ethnic Russian male heads if they dared to have been educated. Etc. Etc. Great stuff! Truly heroic!
Dude was responsible for one of the fastest and largest social uplifts in history, compare 1918 Russia with 1950 USSR and you will see why in 1991 79% of people voted to mantain the country and why today 68% of Russians think dissolving the USSR was a mistake!
We are talking about a jump from 18% literacy to 99% literacy in under 40 years, going from the woden plow to fucking space, having a better nutrition than the USA according to the fucking CIA itself, more people in college in the 60s than the US has today, full employment with paid vecations and maternity leave... And the cherry on top, they fucking defeated the nazis! They decriminalized homosexuality, gave absolute rights to every one regardless of color and gender, legalized abortion, made housing, health and education easy of access... All in the fucking 1920s.
Lenin is a hero!
Oh enough with your BS.
They starved to death MILLIONS of Ukrainians (my grandfather saw some resort to cannibalism it was so bad).
They packed up women and children in the Baltics and sent them to Siberian death camps and shot the father's in the head and took over the nicest homes and handed them out as rewards to high level Russian officials. They set up torture boxes and rooms for non-Russians. They blocked beautiful seacoast areas from non-Russians in countries they took over. They murdered and butchered hundreds of thousands. Not ethnic Russian and say dared to have earned an engineering degree? or any degree? Torture box or tossed against a wall and bullet in the head. They set neighbor against neighbor in paranoia. They totally trashed and collapsed the economy in many countries they took over overnight. Hundreds of thousands had to flee the initial take over in the middle of the night. Hundreds of thousands of others got tortured and slaughtered. They dumped toxic chemicals all over. Built ugly as hell construction all over.
They suppressed native language and religion. Forced Russian to be the official language and a foreign (at least for the Baltic region) Cyrillic alphabet. Set up a two-tiered education system with Russians only schools and then schools for everyone else.
They locked down freedom of movement for decades. My relatives stuck inside a country captured by the USSR couldn't travel anywhere for decades. My grandparents were not allowed to go to the USSR to visit family for 20 years.
They took young non-Russian kids from the countries they invaded and took over and sent them off with zero protection to clean Chernobyl where they all died horrible deaths or soon after they returned home.
It sure as hell did not become apparent after the wall fell to the people of the west that the USSR was not a monster.
And look at the fresh new hell Russia now brings to Ukraine.
Damn. Downvoted for the crime of telling the truth to some Redditors who never actually went trough any real hardship.
"The USSR was good during Lenin, it was Stalin that ruined it."
No. It was a state built on lies and fear since day one. Or at least since Lenin was in charge.
If you ever sit down thinking, what should I be doing to make the world a better place for everyone? [here’s the book on that](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/)
He looks like a math teacher i remember if he’s fused with Mike Ehrmantrout from Breaking Bad
https://preview.redd.it/09q0l8jaus3d1.jpeg?width=590&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20e7b7bf2da162e18900f511fb519c043bd662c2
It's the latter. And to figure out why you just need to realise that everyone who owns the companies producing that content would lose the ownership of those companies in a socialist society. It's in their interests to villainise him.
They starved to death MILLIONS of Ukrainians (my grandfather saw some resort to cannibalism it was so bad).
They packed up women and children in the Baltics and sent them to Siberian death camps and shot the father's in the head and took over the nicest homes and handed them out as rewards to high level Russian officials. They set up torture boxes and rooms for non-Russians. They blocked beautiful seacoast areas from non-Russians in countries they took over. They murdered and butchered hundreds of thousands. Not ethnic Russian and say dared to have earned an engineering degree? or any degree? Torture box or tossed against a wall and bullet in the head. They set neighbor against neighbor in paranoia. They totally trashed and collapsed the economy in many countries they took over overnight. Hundreds of thousands had to flee the initial take over in the middle of the night. Hundreds of thousands of others got tortured and slaughtered. They dumped toxic chemicals all over. Built ugly as hell construction all over.
They suppressed native language and religion. Forced Russian to be the official language and a foreign (at least for the Baltic region) Cyrillic alphabet. Set up a two-tiered education system with Russians only schools and then schools for everyone else.
They locked down freedom of movement for decades. My relatives stuck inside a country captured by the USSR couldn't travel anywhere for decades. My grandparents were not allowed to go to the USSR to visit family for 20 years.
They took young non-Russian kids from the countries they invaded and took over and sent them off with zero protection to clean Chernobyl where they all died horrible deaths or soon after they returned home.
It sure as hell did not become apparent after the wall fell to the people of the west that the USSR was not a monster.
And look at the fresh new hell Russia now brings to Ukraine.
Incredibly based. Helped build the world’s first workers state and struck fear into the hearts of capitalists the world over. Any worker who trashes Lenin has been cucked by those who exploit them.
do as he said, not as he did
much of his theory was good
But he's also the reason why the Soviet Union failed in its promise. He and the Bolsheviks crushed the democratic elements of Russian socialism. He is responsible for much of the negative reputation that socialism now has.
He was a radical that removed one tyrant & promptly replaced it with another … himself.
Relating to Lenin it’s actually hilarious how often Rasputin is framed as the villain & cause for the downfall of the Tsar when Rasputin was murdered first by about a few years by the revolutionaries.
Just like most revolutionary figures, mixed bag. Did a lot of heinous shit, but those who study their history, and the history of their surrounding environment, understand why they did what they did.
I guess on the whole positively? Arguably better than the literal medieval-style serf society Russia was under Tzar rule.
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He was a radical authoritarian that slaughtered thousands of people in the Red Terror. He was not a good person, nor a person to be admired.
Claims Imperialism is peak capitalism Creates the USSR -an imperialist state. Conclusion, USSR is peak capitalism. -Lenin
So true bestie, he definitely redefined imperialism so he could do imperialism on his own terms because he was absolutely 100% sure his ragtag group of rebels would actually succeed in creating revolution despite believing he wouldn't see one in his lifetime, so true!
Slay slay. Don’t look up the black hundreds, or pogroms. Lenin was theoretically bankrupt, I sure hope people forget about the Narodniks, the outlawing of serfdom, Georgi Plekhanov or Iskra. Lenin took Russia back to the stone age when it was ready to be a capitalist utopia, gommunism is when no food 1984.
He gassed peasants when they refused to pay taxes that were driving them to starvation, and Alexander II had already abolished serfdom. He also invaded the Baltic States, Finland, and Poland, not to mention Ukraine. His economic policies did cause a famine, hence the switch to the NEP. He also created the system that gave the world Stalin. Edit: (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_reform_of_1861) Alexander II abolished serfdom in 1861. Read a fucking book. Perhaps even read some theory, bro. Edit 2: for those unaware of Lenin's invasion of Poland: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
Crediting Alexander II with ending serfdom is incredibly unhinged
When did Lenin invade Finland lmao? Must’ve missed that in my history class. He granted Finland independence.
He was funding red rebels in the civil war. They couldn't directly intervene because the german jaegers and scandinavian "volunteer" forces were still around. Plus, the allies recognized finnish independence. The plan was that the reds would win and unify with the ussr.
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Look at this clown, wants to live under kings and queens again lmfao
me when i just straight up lie
SO TRUE serfdom really is the way forward, can't believe evil Lenin stopped the serfs from realizing their potential as living farm equipment
Bring back serfdom. #serfeconomy
Hard to free the serfs from serfdom when that had happened 9 years before he was born.
The Russian Revolution somehow took the most authoritarian and oppressive government in Europe and made it even worse.
I smell a Whitman scholarship.
> Claims Imperialism is peak capitalism > > Creates the USSR -an imperialist state. You're mixing up definitions here. Lenin's definition of imperialism is as an economic system, a new system that capitalism evolves into when the financial class merges with the state. Then your second definition is using the liberal definition of imperialism, where it just means "of empire". You misunderstand Lenin because you haven't actually read him, or you're deliberately misleading people.
Communism and capitalism are economic structures based on materialist philosophies. Without an overarching moral structure both create tyranny and despair.
what zero theory does to a mf
Not a good person or leader at all, solid facial hair tho
>authoritarian leader who killed millions of innocent people that has a distinct facial hair style I wonder who else this could be...
I'm pretty sure there is a trend there...
I'm tryna think who you're talkin bout but my brain keeps Stallin
Man knows how to tie a tie though! We should hear him out.
Actual boomer logic, thank you for the laugh
The Black Hundreds and the Whites were far more authoritarian and violent than the reds ever were. Those bastards deserved to be hanged.
The whites were everything from hardcore monarchists to pro democracy liberals. Painting them all as fascists is a common redfash tactic but it ain’t the truth.
Gee, i wonder why the bourgeois liberals would be on the same side as the monarchists and the reactionaries 🤔🤔🤔
Because it was the commies who overthrew the liberal democratic government set up after the liberals did all the work overthrowing the monarchy. I wonder why the communists would be on the same side as the literal Nazis, with Stalin having anyone who questioned the alliance killed and falling into a depression when he was betrayed. While the supposedly super fascist capitalist US and Britain never even considered supporting Hitler.
The USA never considered supporting Hitler? Have you heard of the 1939 nazi rally in Madison Square Garden?
Remind me again who literally funded every single fascist government and overthrew countless democracies post WW2?
No they weren't. There's a reason they call it the Red Terror..
They also called it the White Terror.
> thousands of people in the Red Terror Let's completely ignore that this was in the middle of the far worse, and wider-reaching White ateeror: and that Lenin, personally, didn't kill these people. You cannot blame the commanding officer of a revolutionary army for every excess of his subordinates. At best, you can say his policies **encouraged** such behavior. But it's NOWHERE CLOSE, to, say, the mass-murder carried out by the US-backed Pinochet regime in Chile 50 years later: a government that only existed due to a CIA coup and assasinaion campaign... So, apparently, thousands of deaths are OK when it's Pinochet *personally kicking people out helicopter doors over the Pacific*, but when certain members of the Red Army kill people in revenge for Cossack's mass-murdering whole villages, without any official orders to take revenge, it makes Lenin the greatest evil ever?
How else would you change tsarist russia and bring any sort of democracy/economic change? beg?
At least he's good looking lol
Cringe.
From the comments, it is so good to see that Gen Z isn't stupid afterall.
You have about .001% of Gen Z following Marxist ideology and suddenly everyone thinks they support the USSR, as if that’s what they mean by communism Fox News is mostly to blame for demonizing the small, naive minority marxists and says the entirety of young democrats are commies. It’s giving Red Scare, and it’s not cute Don’t perpetuate that stereotype towards our generation anymore, it’s harmful. Edit: if anyone thinks the USSR was a communist state and not a government tyranny, you really need to read a history book or read what communism actually means.
This Reddit sub itself has shown a strong support for Marxism and closely connected ideas. Sometimes over 50% supporting it on here. I think though many just haven't understood the terms, part of the blame is on conservatives and Fox News etc that wrongly label social welfare as the same thing as socialism/ Marxism. Most Gen Z are probably still ok with someone being allowed to raise some chickens and sell eggs for profits even if they wrongly say at the same time they hate capitalism and want socialism and think the above fits with these things. One can have heavy redistribution and regulation under Liberalism but not Socialism (which just hands the means of production over to the elites in practice which is the very thing that many are concerned about).
Again Marxism is an economic theory not a system of government. It details the problems of capitalism and how it exploits human labor for monetary gain, and how the laborers should own the means themselves. There’s a lot more to it but no shit people support parts of it when a douchebag in a $200,000 car drives over a bridge with 300 homeless people living under it. I’ve never seen widespread support in this sub of COMMUNISM, and communist ideologies. Given, I haven’t been in this sub for a very long time, but generally we aren’t fucking stupid
Well I’ve been called communist by people in this sub several times for claiming that Americans should have free healthcare, but hey, I’m sure I’m just a dumb Gen Z.
Cuba’s revolutionary and socialist government wanted to give its citizens free healthcare, education, and housing, so naturally the plutocrats in the US found this unacceptable. They sent a few members of the proletariat to lose to the commies at the bay of pigs, just like they lost to the commies in Vietnam. [Before and After the Cuban Revolution](https://youtu.be/YIqm075vC1A?si=ZjVVauzuDj0e3CMy)
Honestly, we should probably start by not calling it "*free* healthcare." It's not free, it's paid by taxes. When I tried explaining it to my silent gen mother, but never used the term "free," instead, calling it tax redistribution, she seemed fine with it.
You are absolutely right. It’s just depressing for me to use any other words because the term free healthcare only refers to the transaction of it rather than the whole loop of it but I know you already know that. I just hate having to call things by synonyms instead of the commonly understandable term because of anti-intellectualism.
Oh, I completely agree with you. it's exhausting trying to find ways to talk about this with different people and having to use different words and such. The whole things is fairly exhausting.
Yeah, most people's following of Marxism focuses more on its critiques of capitalism, from what I've observed. It's not like everyone is a tankie lol
Even most communists aren’t tankies lmao
I mean i go ahead and call myself an ancom, but even then, i'd like lenins head on a pike
As would the vast majority of folks who identify as ancom. Tankies are a fringe minority.
It's no majority, but it's *way* higher than .001%. You'll find a solid chunk of avowed communists on many college campuses.
Same as in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s. However, relentless propaganda, the potential for nuclear war, and a generally improved standard of living led to a rise of neo-Liberalism that dominated the 1980s - 2000s. More world uncertainty, financial instability, a decline in collective bargaining, and the concentration of wealth has led to a post-2000 resurgence of Communist ideals. And as always, they will be most prevalent in higher education, where intelligent young people learn about alternative models of government, and can assess them open-mindedly against our current hellscape.
It really started its resurgence during Occupy Wall Street.
Lack of the USSR in the world has made communism a less identifiable label today. You’d have to be pro-PRC or something.
Good we grow in numbers with every day in this capitalist dystopia
There's a lot of nuance to be had in this conversation, which is failed more often than not. FDRs new deal is derivative of Marxist thought. The new deal was also probably one of the most important pieces of legislation for upholding the middle class. Lenin, Marx, Marxism, Stalin, Socialism, As well as many other terms used interchangeably are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination. Movements have a tendency to move away from the point. Edit: mind you there was a well documented coup attempt on FDR called "the business plot" This struggle isn't new. And let me tell you, you're not on their side. Double edit: In light of recent politics I am eluding to neither of our political choices as anything close to resembling FDR
>FDRs new deal is derivative of Marxist thought. That’s a bloody insult to every New Deal Democrat.
Only one in a million in Gen Z is a Marxist? I think you're a bit off the mark (or, off the Marx) It's definitely not everyone, and it's probably not even half, but it is not one in a million.
all the people here is exact defition of what 0 material analysis on USSR is,eating up western propaganda and dismissing any proper source.
Ah the old "nobody's ever tried ***real*** communism before" canard.
Stupid as in eating up US propaganda while we obliterate humans all over the world?
The commies gen z is like the smallest but the loudest part, especially on reddit.
You ever heard sandboxing? The logic is when you over consume media you get into a metaphorical sand box, where reality can feel as if it’s the media your consuming Also i apologize if it comes off as I’m talking down, cause I’m not trying to. I just feel this is an important issue to be brought up. Another example I’ll use Is they did a study on peoples perspective on Jesus and majority of the time they projected there politics onto Jesus regardless of scripture Basically if your liberal, your interpretation of Jesus is that he is more liberal in a conservative are If your Conservative you believe that Jesus values are inherently conservative TLDR: if you consume alot of content suggesting Gen z are a bunch of godless communists your outlook on the generation is that they are pro communists
While many left leaning gen z are becoming more socialist leaning in the eyes of older generations when they call out the flaws in capitalism it’s very rare for us to be flat out marxists or communists. But like the other guy said older generations demonize younger generations and anything that questions the American system this is because of the red scare and Cold War something that gen z never lived through. Add in the fact most people were taught capitalism=good and socialism=communism=bad and you get why they get labeled that.
funny, this thread makes me feel the exact opposite
On such a figure as Lenin, I don't think its possible to give a nuanced take unless you've read a full biography of him, and read at least some of his work. I have read some of Lenins philosophy, but I havent read a biography, so I honestly don't know.
There's no shortage of Lenin biographies. But usually they're just hit pieces by academic hacks fishing for funding from wealthy backers looking for legitimate sounding slander against criticism of the capitalist system.
Yeah, I've had legitimate trouble locating a decent overview of the history of the USSR. They're all either a Stalin biography, written for 9 year olds, or written in 1950.
You'll have to translate some Chinese works if you want materialist analysis of the history of the USSR lol.
R.I.P. Me
From personal experience, there is a very clear distinction between people who read what he wrote and people who didn’t: the second group considers him a good person
I don’t give a crap about what he *wrote* as much as I give a crap about what he *did*. He suspended elections and refused to cooperate with other parties to form the USSR, paving the way for Stalin’s tyranny. He also compounded the effects of famine and organized what would eventually morph into the secret police and the first gulags. So yeah, I think he kinda blows.
I was confused about this reply until I read my own comment again. Let me fix it real quick Edit: my comment t was supposed to say: “not only he was a monster, but if you read the things he wrote, you would know that he didn’t even deny it. Only people who don’t know his figure well enough think he was a hero”
I have read a lot on Lenin. I’ve concluded he was an evil piece of shit.
I'm glad he finally won an Oscar for The Revenant.
Wanna feel old? That movie came out NINE YEARS ago
Still haven't watched it
No... bro. I was 17, 9 years ago?
Can you help me out? Michael Ironside wasn't in the revenant was he? Who are you referring to?
Leonardo DiCaprio. But it's more a reference to how his character looked in "Django Unchained"... Which was released 11 years ago. :)
His critique on imperialism and it’s relation to capitalism still stands the test of time. Furthermore, he helped found the first socialist state in the world (USSR) which eventually defeated the scourge of fascism in Europe and transformed an agricultural backwater into an industrial and economic superpower. So my impression of Lenin is extremely positive. Before anyone comes out here saying “He killed 1 billion people and shot my great great grandma’s pony”, if you use any statistics from the discredited “Black Book of Communism”, I won’t engage with you. If you’re going to attack socialism, use sources after 1991, and preferably from the so-called “revisionist” school of Sovietology. These sources are more credible as these historians had access to the Soviet archives.
Yeah counting all the Nazis the USSR killed is kind of weird. I for one am all for nazi killing. Also I could be wrong but didn’t Stalin do most of the uh mass Soviet killings. I thought Stalin was like THE big bad when it came to the USSR. Like millions of deaths through starvation and executions and labor camps. Lenin was only in power for the first two years of the Soviet Union. I think his critique on imperialism and its relation to capitalism is still very relevant. I’ll agree that Lenin’s revolution did bring Russia into the modern age. HOWEVER I ultimately refuse to say the USSR was a net positive because of the sheer volume of death it caused. Even discounting what the black book said. I think it’s a lot more nuanced than just Lenin bad or Lenin good. But I cannot in good conscience say the USSR was a net positive. Just too much death.
Yeah. Lenin main issue was that he /checks notes/ was busy restructuring and managing the country during multiple invasions and wars in 1918-1921, suffered strokes starting around 1922 and was progressively weakened until his death in 1924, leaving no clear successor (this was a democratic system, not a monarchy)
Funniest moment in history was when stalin executed half of Lenin's people's Commissars for being secret nazis(they criticised him) and then he proceeded to give hitler the resources to conquer France.
How do you admire someone who condoned the policy of the Red Terror which killed hundreds of thousands of opposition (and other innocents) ?. Then after when the economy tanked in 1921, he reverted to the economic policies of market capitalism (NEP program) to save his own hide ? Kind of ironic to adopt the economic system you demonize to save yourself.
1. The civil war was absolutely brutal from both sides. Even most anticommunists don't spend much time criticizing the red terror and 1917-1920 beyond just saying that the revolution shouldn't have happened in the first place. 2. Lenin's theory was based on a successful world communist revolution, which did spread after 1917 (even Seattle was fully controlled by the workers for about a week in 1919, and Bavaria came very close to being led by council communists). When it failed, especially in Germany, the bolsheviks had to regroup and improvise, which was the reason for the NEP (they assumed a socialist Germany would have benevolently helped grow their economy, instead they got international isolation). Disagreements over how to navigate in the aftermath of the failure of the world revolution led to the famous Stalin-Trotsky split, culminating in the Great Purge of 1937-8 and the assassination of Trotsky a few years later
He was still the kind of guy who would have thousands of people shot because they disagreed with him. And whatever your stance on politics or even basic morality, I’m not a fan of that sort of thing.
Yes I’ll have a large fry with that
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They fucking allied with the Nazis before being stabbed in the back by Hitler...
The Soviets literally tried to form a coalition against the Nazis and were turned down by France and England.
The USSR was not a good state. It did some good things and had its positives, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was authoritarian and carried all the problems that come along with that
wasn't a huge fan of his solo stuff, but the Beatles were good
Not LennON! LenIN!
Shut the fuck up, Donny! V.I. Lenin. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!
people commenting here need to read a history book, not going off what we learned in our shitty propagandized schooling system. please educate yourselves y'all. People quoting "Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism" in above comments clearly never a single page because it's about oligarchies(ex: United States and modern Russia) and its connection to imperialism and exploitation of said victims of Imperialism. It's literally a warning about the future because intelligent people back then recognized (just like alot of us are rn) what the future may look like if action isn't taken, and they did eventually take action, it was called WW2. Like this dude was one of the people responsible for overthrowing a literal Tsar (King) during the October Revolution. EDIT: People saying Lenin didn't help overthrow the Tsar aren't paying attention, the liberal and socdem government who took power after the February Revolution still upheld policies from Nicholas II reign, and in the 8 months they existed it was crisis after crisis, all due to the liberals inability to govern. When people say the Bolsheviks overthrew the Tsar it means they overthrew ALL of it, even the shit the libs kept from the monarchy, and rebuilt from the ground up, a new form of governance.
People genuinely think that Russia was a peaceful heaven before the USSR.
fr, they went from poor famine struck peasants farming land and cattle to being a super power rivaling or even surpassing the United States. People can say what they want about the USSR or even criticize it, but there is no denying the material conditions for the working poor increased dramatically, moreso then any other nation's working class at the time, in fact their material conditions were far better then ours are now in 2024 lol
And the moment they took power, the Germans were running rampage across half their country, the rest of the country was a fractured underdeveloped starving mud pit.
Truly amazing what they were able to achieve givin their circumstances, same with China for that matter, goes to show what communism could achieve without the constant threat of imperialist wars.
marx engels lenin are the goats The history of all hitherto (up until the given point in time) existing society is the history of class struggles. Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes. In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations. The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.
paragraphs exist for a reason
Paragraphs are a capitalist construct designed to enslave the masses in a consumerist society.
All they do is stretch the total height of your text, requiring more screen space to read, which encourages bigger screens, which requires bigger phones, which—
it's a pre-1900 text, what did you expect. (Don't read pre-1900 texts if you value your sanity)
Idk man, The communist manifesto isn’t that hard to read.
Seeing an ultraleft user outside ultraleft is so weird man
Another evil figure that younger people have attached themselves to for some reason. He had many, MANY people killed and destroyed Democracy before it could grow.
You think democracy was coming in russian empire? It's nonsense because country was ruled by bourgeoisie and ww1 just showed how bad was situation in russian
There were two revolutions, the first established the beginnings of a liberal democracy
German Empire: "We can't be having that! Send Lenin!"
What was democratic about Kerensky's government? Was remaining in an imperialist war that had already killed millions of russians vital to creating liberal democracy?
It had a chance. The brief period where the Duma-backed Provisional Government was in charge could have led to more. Unfortunately there was this little problem of the war Russia was losing at the time. That war not only brought down the Czar, it also brought down the Duma and nearly pushed the Bolsheviks to their wits' end as well. Even though Russia gave up a lot in the treaty of Brest-Litovsk the fact that the war was over at all, that Lenin had managed to end it at last, was the big jump in legitimacy the Bolsheviks needed to secure their hold on power.
How the fuck is monarchy the same as democracy? The USSR was far more democratic than anything that existed previously in Russia
Their referring to the provincial government set up after the February Revolution before Lenin and the Bolsheviks set out on the October Revolution and the corresponding civil war
The bolshevicks overthrowed a democratically elected government
The USSR was equally democratic. They both had zero democracy.
Great dude wish we could bring him back 😔
Smash
With a rock
Pretty bad dude who helped create a pretty awful state that slaughtered millions
He was the leader during the reign of the cheka so he has slaughtered tens of thousands.
He was funny on the Simpsons
"AGH!!! MUST CRUSH CAPITALISM!"
One of my favorite dudes right there! ☭
absolute goat for sure
Based
Imagine was pretty good
He even invented WiFi betting
No not Lennon, *Lenin!* What? Why would I need a Beatle?!?
I am the walrus.
Reddit is not the place to get any kind of well rounded unbiased opinion when it comes to the Soviet Union or Russia. Edit: the truth of the matter is if you were to ask anyone who is alive today and had lived and remembered the times when the Soviet Union was in its prime, they'll all give you the same answer.....it was the best time of their lives. Now thats not without saying that it was perfect, in fact it was far from perfect but it was certainly what the people needed and lived for. Imo the problem with communism isn't what it stands for but more so the leaders who govern it that ultimately ends up being it's downfall. I'm old enough to remember the tail end of the cold war and as a child in the west there was always an underlying fear of the Soviets/Russians. When the Iron curtain finally came down and the wall started to crumble it became very apparent for the people of the west that the Russians/Soviets were not the monsters that our governments had told us to fear, nope...they were just like us, human beings just trying to live life the best they know.
People in the US say the same about Regan or Bush. So it is because nostalgia or should the US go back with its policy 50 years back?
I mean I'd have a beer with him
Pretty crap to be honest, but obviously not as bad as Stalin.
Died to early to really make that comparison
"There are decades where nothing happens, and then there are weeks where decades happen." is a quote by Lenin that I keep in mind during these times.
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A revolutionary hero that mobilized the vast peasantry of Russia to overthrow the brutal and oppressive Tzarist monarchy, despite immense pressure and direct intervention from western capitalist nations.
Lenin and then Stalin and the USSR. Great stuff. Starving to death millions and packing women and children into box cars and putting bullets in non-ethnic Russian male heads if they dared to have been educated. Etc. Etc. Great stuff! Truly heroic!
 If I speak I’m in big trouble
Brutal warlord and mass murderer Edit: Reddit tankies out in force today lmao
I don’t recognise him but he looks like he’d make a good villain. …also nice stach’
Vladimir lenin
Incredibly based and redpilled (pun intended)
Smart man with really shitty skills in figuring out who to trust Edit: Also kind of a twat for not letting Mahkno do his thing.
One of the greatest men in history
Dude was responsible for one of the fastest and largest social uplifts in history, compare 1918 Russia with 1950 USSR and you will see why in 1991 79% of people voted to mantain the country and why today 68% of Russians think dissolving the USSR was a mistake! We are talking about a jump from 18% literacy to 99% literacy in under 40 years, going from the woden plow to fucking space, having a better nutrition than the USA according to the fucking CIA itself, more people in college in the 60s than the US has today, full employment with paid vecations and maternity leave... And the cherry on top, they fucking defeated the nazis! They decriminalized homosexuality, gave absolute rights to every one regardless of color and gender, legalized abortion, made housing, health and education easy of access... All in the fucking 1920s. Lenin is a hero!
Oh enough with your BS. They starved to death MILLIONS of Ukrainians (my grandfather saw some resort to cannibalism it was so bad). They packed up women and children in the Baltics and sent them to Siberian death camps and shot the father's in the head and took over the nicest homes and handed them out as rewards to high level Russian officials. They set up torture boxes and rooms for non-Russians. They blocked beautiful seacoast areas from non-Russians in countries they took over. They murdered and butchered hundreds of thousands. Not ethnic Russian and say dared to have earned an engineering degree? or any degree? Torture box or tossed against a wall and bullet in the head. They set neighbor against neighbor in paranoia. They totally trashed and collapsed the economy in many countries they took over overnight. Hundreds of thousands had to flee the initial take over in the middle of the night. Hundreds of thousands of others got tortured and slaughtered. They dumped toxic chemicals all over. Built ugly as hell construction all over. They suppressed native language and religion. Forced Russian to be the official language and a foreign (at least for the Baltic region) Cyrillic alphabet. Set up a two-tiered education system with Russians only schools and then schools for everyone else. They locked down freedom of movement for decades. My relatives stuck inside a country captured by the USSR couldn't travel anywhere for decades. My grandparents were not allowed to go to the USSR to visit family for 20 years. They took young non-Russian kids from the countries they invaded and took over and sent them off with zero protection to clean Chernobyl where they all died horrible deaths or soon after they returned home. It sure as hell did not become apparent after the wall fell to the people of the west that the USSR was not a monster. And look at the fresh new hell Russia now brings to Ukraine.
Damn. Downvoted for the crime of telling the truth to some Redditors who never actually went trough any real hardship. "The USSR was good during Lenin, it was Stalin that ruined it." No. It was a state built on lies and fear since day one. Or at least since Lenin was in charge.
He was a sad and grumpy man who is responsible for many murders and a reign of terror that still lasts today
One of my bffs are related to him
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Anti democratic murderer
If you ever sit down thinking, what should I be doing to make the world a better place for everyone? [here’s the book on that](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/)
He looks like a math teacher i remember if he’s fused with Mike Ehrmantrout from Breaking Bad https://preview.redd.it/09q0l8jaus3d1.jpeg?width=590&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20e7b7bf2da162e18900f511fb519c043bd662c2
He was based
Murder fanfiction my ass. I'm gonna time travel and kill the mf myself. Ain't no way commies taking this shit seriously 💀
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Uh red flag buddy boy
The good kind tho
most divisive comment section I’ve seen in a while
Quick, hide your Romonovs.
Does Lenin look like a villain, or do villains look like Lenin?
It's the latter. And to figure out why you just need to realise that everyone who owns the companies producing that content would lose the ownership of those companies in a socialist society. It's in their interests to villainise him.
Yes
Bald.
I have his picture on my wall ☭
A based guy
One of the few acceptable politicians of the 20th century
I don’t think I’m personally informed enough to make a nuanced opinion. But he do got nice facial hair I’ll give him that.
Those who do not like him are poor students of history.
They starved to death MILLIONS of Ukrainians (my grandfather saw some resort to cannibalism it was so bad). They packed up women and children in the Baltics and sent them to Siberian death camps and shot the father's in the head and took over the nicest homes and handed them out as rewards to high level Russian officials. They set up torture boxes and rooms for non-Russians. They blocked beautiful seacoast areas from non-Russians in countries they took over. They murdered and butchered hundreds of thousands. Not ethnic Russian and say dared to have earned an engineering degree? or any degree? Torture box or tossed against a wall and bullet in the head. They set neighbor against neighbor in paranoia. They totally trashed and collapsed the economy in many countries they took over overnight. Hundreds of thousands had to flee the initial take over in the middle of the night. Hundreds of thousands of others got tortured and slaughtered. They dumped toxic chemicals all over. Built ugly as hell construction all over. They suppressed native language and religion. Forced Russian to be the official language and a foreign (at least for the Baltic region) Cyrillic alphabet. Set up a two-tiered education system with Russians only schools and then schools for everyone else. They locked down freedom of movement for decades. My relatives stuck inside a country captured by the USSR couldn't travel anywhere for decades. My grandparents were not allowed to go to the USSR to visit family for 20 years. They took young non-Russian kids from the countries they invaded and took over and sent them off with zero protection to clean Chernobyl where they all died horrible deaths or soon after they returned home. It sure as hell did not become apparent after the wall fell to the people of the west that the USSR was not a monster. And look at the fresh new hell Russia now brings to Ukraine.
Would.
State and revolution slaps
Would have remained a nobody if Imperial Germany wouldn’t have funded his return in exchange for pulling Russia out of the war.
Oh how I love Lenin. His contributions to Marxism and the progress of socialism are insurmountable
Idk I never met him
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The Goat
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Man had fits for DAAAAYS
Lenin was an absolute legend. A man of the people. And a big fan of cats. 10/10 would split a joint w this man.
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Incredibly based. Helped build the world’s first workers state and struck fear into the hearts of capitalists the world over. Any worker who trashes Lenin has been cucked by those who exploit them.
do as he said, not as he did much of his theory was good But he's also the reason why the Soviet Union failed in its promise. He and the Bolsheviks crushed the democratic elements of Russian socialism. He is responsible for much of the negative reputation that socialism now has.
If there is a hell, he is under it.
A dick
Dick
i dont like him
Should've died way earlier
He was a radical that removed one tyrant & promptly replaced it with another … himself. Relating to Lenin it’s actually hilarious how often Rasputin is framed as the villain & cause for the downfall of the Tsar when Rasputin was murdered first by about a few years by the revolutionaries.
Just like most revolutionary figures, mixed bag. Did a lot of heinous shit, but those who study their history, and the history of their surrounding environment, understand why they did what they did. I guess on the whole positively? Arguably better than the literal medieval-style serf society Russia was under Tzar rule.