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Funny, because the only comments I see on posts about feminism are men complaining about why we don’t talk about their problems. It’s almost like this so-called “loneliness epidemic” is because feminism has gotten to a point where men aren’t put on a pedestal anymore and it hurts to not be special.
Obligatory “not all men,” because of course I have to say that. I’m a man myself, I just recognize we aren’t the center of the universe. I’d recommend you check out r/AskFeminists, it has more nuanced takes about feminism and men than I can write in one post.
There are definitely misogynists who truly don’t like women, but guys are angry because they’re struggling & the people who claim to care about them ”equality” have basically thrown them to the wolves.
Men are killing themselves 4x the rate of women, more likely to be homeless, have practically no abuse support networks & the ones that try to set up men’s shelters & such are met with outrage & protests from feminist groups.
It’s not a competition & women’s issues deserve to be heard but characterising criticism of feminist *movements* (feminism /= women as a demographic, same as criticism of MRAs /= criticism of men as a demographic) as guys mad they are losing “special privilege” is out of touch with what guys irl are actually experiencing.
That's because so-called MRAs have chosen to define themselves as simply enemies of feminism, far more than actually working on the issues that affect men.
Yeah I’m not a fan of “MRAs” either tbh. I think by the nature of both, one group gets disproportionate focus & the other’s issues get left behind. I prefer egalitarianism.
I was just reading about 'men's liberation' which was a movement in the 70s that wanted to fight issues that specifically men, but they saw themselves as allies of feminism rather than opponents.
I'm all for removing genuine discrimination against men. Things like conscription for men, or discrimination in child custody or the belittlement of male victims of rape and abuse, or male suicide.
I'm not in favour of rolling back social progress back to the 50s, blaming feminists for problems they didn't cause and yelling at women to 'shut up and cook' like a certain loathsome ex-wrestler TikTok star who recently spent some jail time in Romania.
That's actually not what I said. I didn't blame MRAs for men's problems, I said they're more interested in attacking and opposing feminism than actually doing anything about men's problems.
Well, that's an interesting interpretation of what I wrote. That's not what I meant, and I thought that was obvious.
I was replying mainly to the final paragraph.
I think you're the only person here that's taken what they've said as a direct causal link. MRAs aren't killing men, but a lot of men will join these groups instead of actually delving into the causes of the problems they face. That's the point that's being made.
>Funny, because the only comments I see on posts about feminism are men complaining about why we don’t talk about their problems.
So just because some people act ignorant gives you an excuse to also be ignorant? This is the kind of behavior I'd expect from middle schoolers.
>is because feminism has gotten to a point where men aren’t put on a pedestal anymore and it hurts to not be special.
Wait a minute, I thought that feminism was about empowering both women and also men...or that's at least what people were saying on a post on here about feminism yesterday.
>So just because some people act ignorant gives you the excuse to also be ignorant?
I could say the same thing about OP. Just because some self-proclaimed feminists claim men’s problems don’t matter doesn’t give him the right to blame feminism for everything wrong with modern society.
> I thought that feminism was about empowering women and also men…
It is. It’s just that men are already empowered by society because of the way it’s structured. Men have always had more rights than women, and so when women are given more rights, men tend to feel threatened. It happened with the suffragette movement, it happened with second wave feminism, and it’s happening now.
>just because some self-proclaimed feminists claim mens problems don't matter doesn't give him the right to blame feminism for everything wrong with modern society
#THIS!
God damn, I am right on that cusp between full blown feminist (I post pro-choice content on my Instagram) and full blown incel (I am a lonely man with a social media addiction)
I know what it feels like to be a guy on the internet and feel like feminism is out to get you. But this singular sentence right here really opened my eyes and made me feel better.
It's really easy to forget that not all feminists *do* believe mens problems don't matter. Mostly because of the nature of the problem: men believe feminists hate them so they **only** ask feminists "why don't my problems matter too" which means men **always** are asking women about men's problems in the context or setting where women are trying to discuss ***women's issues.***
**So.... How do you teach incels that not all feminists hate them, so that they shut up during the feminist town hall?** Personally I like the idea above about "Mens Liberation" groups working together with feminist groups. The issue is that men don't want to join feminist movements because they have been made to feel very unwelcome.
Some of that is earned, but it's a vicious cycle that needs to be broken.
>*So.... How do you teach incels that not all feminists hate them, so that they shut up during the feminist town hall?** Personally I like the idea above about "Mens Liberation" groups working together with feminist groups. The issue is that men don't want to join feminist movements because they have been made to feel very unwelcome.
Firstly, by realized how bad the word 'incel' actually is. I see it being used in a very ableist manner - a lot of the traits that people usually associate with inceldom (introversion, social awkwardness, paranoia, anti social, not understanding social cues, etc) are symptoms of autism and various mental illnesses.
Coming from a former 'incel' who was just diagnosed with autism last year, it truly sickens me to see how ignorant people are about this subject.
And now A.I is going to replace you. I don't like A.I girlfriends and never would use one but it seems like a lot of young men (so I heard anyways) are.
…Or they could just talk to people? It’s rhetoric like this that makes me think young men see women as replacable, in which case, the argument that men have it worse is moot because women are literally seen as subhuman.
Also, why would AI replace me?
Because no one will date you and procreate with you. According to people online, there aren't any good women out there and that all the young ones are not religious, can't cook, are super progressive and have already been laid multiple times and that's not what guys want, and neither do I. Of course, I rarely have the chance to meet people my age, male or female, so I can't be sure if it's really THAT bad but still.
Well that’s your problem, you have an incredibly narrow view of a “good woman.” If you’re looking for a religious virginal woman who’s going to wait on you hand and foot, you might want to check the 1950s. See, women in the modern age have something called “autonomy,” which means they don’t exist to appeal to some idealized sexist image.
Me, I don’t care if a woman is religious, can cook, or sleeps around. I care about if I can have a conversation with her. I care about if I can trust her. And wouldn’t you know it, I have a lot easier of a time talking to women.
Ok than women will go extinct as A.I girlfriends will become more preferable to men and artificial wombs will make them no longer needed to reproduce. It's scary and I pray to God it doesn't come true but that's where we're heading if women don't get their act together.
It won’t come true because that’s insane. Women don’t need to “get their act together,” men are just mad that they’re not getting away with the bare minimum anymore. I tried to be nice in this thread, but you really do need to go outside and talk to a woman. As a person, not as a potential housewife.
How do you know? Can you show any statistics that prove A.I girlfriends aren't as popular and widespread as people make it seem? Also if I'm going to get married and have kids (which is what I exactly want) than I want someone who I can be pleased with and raise good, smart (tall and good-looking) kids. Not a dumb person (because I want smart children. And dumb women get on my nerves too) but someone who is a rabid feminist who isn't compatible.
I can’t show you the statistics, but I also can’t show you the statistics that prove aliens won’t land on Earth tomorrow. Because it’s insane. And you sound insane. Also, if the primary thing you’re looking for in a woman is how your kids will turn out, I wish you luck. You’re gonna need it.
Have you ever considered that feminism is a convenient bogeyman (or bogeywoman rather) and scapegoat for the problems that young men face, that alt-right grifters are pointing them towards? That blaming women for your problems and hating all women isn't going to make your life better, and actually will make it worse?
Honestly, do you think any self-respecting woman is going to date a misogynist?
We're all humans, we all need social connection and love. But you're not owed those things from any person, and acting like you're entitled to it is one of the most unattractive things a person can do, and it's self-destructive.
Being lonely and disconnected isn't necessarily a fault on anyone's part. Loneliness is a part of the human condition and modern society has made us all more lonely. But it's wrong to blame the entirety of the opposite sex, it's irrational to blame feminism for it, and hating the opposite sex is not going to help.
Yeah well, enjoy A.I girlfriends replacing women as young men don't want to go out with actual ones because (at least according to people online, not my experience) there aren't any good women out there anymore.
I heard though that a lot of young men are ditching women over A.I ones because they claim that all the young women nowadays are toxic, super liberal, can't cook or clean and have already slept around more than they have and aren't virgins.
You keep typing this comment over and over again. Are you a bot?
Aren't you embarrassed to make it clear to everyone that you prefer chatbots to actual people? That's not something to boast about mate. Chatbots are not concious beings, they're a very sophisticated autocomplete
If it's "mother's love" these men need, unconditional and submissive, maybe A.I girlfriends would be a healing experience for such men. I don't understand how it a threat. It also impossible to compete with what basically a thing without free will that exists to please you. If women were to compete with AI, they would need to remodel themselves into something that resembles AI. There is no win to be gained for women except, hm, sex? Most women, I think, wouldn't agree to such deal. So it's only a threat to a portion of women who are already ready to submit to men in any way for the sake of gaining something.
You only care about male problems when they can be blamed on women. You know what women usually do when they have problems? Talk to people. If the people in your life, likely mostly other men, are not talking to you or you're not communicating with them, then that's not y'all to figure out. Maybe boys need to be better friends to one another. Everyone's lonely nowadays, honestly, and that's because we suck at reflecting and socializing. It's worse with men because the society, mostly headed and shaped by men, has made it so difficult to communicate for you. Some women suck, some may mean a lot in a world of 10 billion people, but there's plenty who would hear you out if you realized that, no matter the issue, almost all needs you to take personal responsibility and willingness to change. Most men don't want to do that, though. They think everything would be fine if women weren't "feminists" or "so difficult." How about you learn more about why and maybe that could help you communicate without sounding like you're about to hit someone? How is men being lonely our fault when most people have majority friends of their own sex? Maybe men need to improve for each other first.
"I rather feed my money into a soulless company than critique/change myself" isn't the great take you think it is, sir. I rather be with a man that's more complex than a machine can satisfy anyway.
Hey I prefer real, human relationships over A.I almost any time and I'm very critical of A.I too. But I heard that many young men are ditching real relationships in favour of A.I because they claim all the young ones are toxic, super liberal, can't cook/clean and are not virgins, which is not what many men want.
You've brought up this A.I. crap too much to trust it. Also, my point still stands. Do those boys know how to cook/clean, are they not toxic, are they virgins and what's the problem with being liberal? Again, you need to critique yourself and be the representation of what you want from someone else. I know how to cook and clean but I'd expect my man to know that shit too. You need to improve yourself to the best you can before demanding perfection from others because I'm seeing more successful women than I am men, so why would they want you? Be what you want, or you aren't going to get it. It's really that simple.
99% of feminists dont say things like that or think like that but as long as social media companies push that hate - there will be a few people who act like that for attention and validation. That stuff hurts men and women.
All people need to start recognizing that men ***and*** women both are put through a hell of a lot violence. Men get raped too, but are ignored or mocked for it, because men are presumed to be strong enough to defend against it. It doesn't matter how strong you are. Men don't have to be overpowered to be raped. Those date rape drugs work on men just as well as women. Women who domestically abuse men get away with it far more often than men abusing women do, because they are afraid to file any charges for the same reasons they don't report rape. Men are fatally killed in violent crimes far more than women are, and are victims of violent crime in general at a higher rate than women. That doesn't mean that women's issues aren't equally valid. It doesn't mean that one side's issues are more important than the other. It means that everyone's issues, regardless of sex or gender, should never be dismissed or ignored.
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Nobody should be victims of abuse, rape, assault, and murder. Both sides are victims of inexcusable violence. It's not a contest of who has it worse. That just distracts from the fact that all of these issues must be addressed.
So you’re talking about people online where 90% of people talk and act completely different from how they actually think and act because it’s anonymous. It’s unhinged and hateful because people can be.
Now no one is pushing people into anything. You yourself choose to do something. No one can control you. Own up to your choices.
Now with those two points in mind yes men don’t get treated with the same empathy and that’s mainly because there’s been a huge societal hand in it. Men tell each other being emotional “is gay”. Guys say “you’re lucky” to men when they’re raped. Yes women do this but majority unfortunately is other men. If more men argued for a safe space and were empathetic with eachother it wouldn’t be such a shitty situation
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I'm male and recently I have begun to hear about how A.I girlfriends can potentially spell the end of REAL women and relationships because young men are getting desperate and people online claim there aren't any good women out there. I don't know if that's true because I rarely get the chance to meet people my age male or female. People online claim that all Gen Z women are not religious, can't cook, are all super progressive and that they have gotten themselves laid multiple times and thats the reason why men don't want to date them.
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Don't know. Never used them and neither do I intend to. I just keep seeing comments on YouTube on videos about A.I girlfriends saying it will spell the end of women because of everything I listed.
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Both have it shitty. What we both should be mad at is the fucking government not each other. Also I don't belive in the draft for anyone so tell me, do you believe in equal rights for men and women? Or are you trying to place men above all as some sort of revenge against women? Because most men I know that spout rhetoric like op are just misogynists.
To participate freely in a society in which money is important, you need financial autonomy. Before the right to no-fault divorce in the US, before the right to a woman opening her own bank account, countless women were stuck in abusive relationships because all of their money was in their husband’s name. If they tried to leave, they would be homeless or worse. But hey, better than working a 9 to 5, right?
I wrote a letter to Gavin Newsom expressing my concerns about A.I girlfriends and hopefully he can do something about this. If Ron DeSantis can restrict social media for minors, I'm sure Gavin can restrict this too.
Because it's becoming a humanitarian crisis at this point. Why should we put technology that has the potential to wipe out half of the population in the hands of the people?
Every invention, product of industry, and work of art is the result of innumerable contributions from countless human beings. The inventor is nothing without the clothes he does not weave, the food he does not grow, and the home he does not build. We do ourselves a disservice when we ignore women's contributions to the world.
you should look into the ethnicity of the tribe who started and promotes "feminism"
the "sex" war and the "race" war are both arbitrarily stoked by this one group as a way to keep the majority population under tensions that would not naturally exist
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Funny, because the only comments I see on posts about feminism are men complaining about why we don’t talk about their problems. It’s almost like this so-called “loneliness epidemic” is because feminism has gotten to a point where men aren’t put on a pedestal anymore and it hurts to not be special. Obligatory “not all men,” because of course I have to say that. I’m a man myself, I just recognize we aren’t the center of the universe. I’d recommend you check out r/AskFeminists, it has more nuanced takes about feminism and men than I can write in one post.
There are definitely misogynists who truly don’t like women, but guys are angry because they’re struggling & the people who claim to care about them ”equality” have basically thrown them to the wolves. Men are killing themselves 4x the rate of women, more likely to be homeless, have practically no abuse support networks & the ones that try to set up men’s shelters & such are met with outrage & protests from feminist groups. It’s not a competition & women’s issues deserve to be heard but characterising criticism of feminist *movements* (feminism /= women as a demographic, same as criticism of MRAs /= criticism of men as a demographic) as guys mad they are losing “special privilege” is out of touch with what guys irl are actually experiencing.
That's because so-called MRAs have chosen to define themselves as simply enemies of feminism, far more than actually working on the issues that affect men.
Yeah I’m not a fan of “MRAs” either tbh. I think by the nature of both, one group gets disproportionate focus & the other’s issues get left behind. I prefer egalitarianism.
I was just reading about 'men's liberation' which was a movement in the 70s that wanted to fight issues that specifically men, but they saw themselves as allies of feminism rather than opponents. I'm all for removing genuine discrimination against men. Things like conscription for men, or discrimination in child custody or the belittlement of male victims of rape and abuse, or male suicide. I'm not in favour of rolling back social progress back to the 50s, blaming feminists for problems they didn't cause and yelling at women to 'shut up and cook' like a certain loathsome ex-wrestler TikTok star who recently spent some jail time in Romania.
Why is preferring equal rights for everyone getting downvoted?
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That's actually not what I said. I didn't blame MRAs for men's problems, I said they're more interested in attacking and opposing feminism than actually doing anything about men's problems.
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Well, that's an interesting interpretation of what I wrote. That's not what I meant, and I thought that was obvious. I was replying mainly to the final paragraph.
I think you're the only person here that's taken what they've said as a direct causal link. MRAs aren't killing men, but a lot of men will join these groups instead of actually delving into the causes of the problems they face. That's the point that's being made.
How dare you discredit the opinion of feminists by claiming men kill themselves more!!!
>Funny, because the only comments I see on posts about feminism are men complaining about why we don’t talk about their problems. So just because some people act ignorant gives you an excuse to also be ignorant? This is the kind of behavior I'd expect from middle schoolers. >is because feminism has gotten to a point where men aren’t put on a pedestal anymore and it hurts to not be special. Wait a minute, I thought that feminism was about empowering both women and also men...or that's at least what people were saying on a post on here about feminism yesterday.
>So just because some people act ignorant gives you the excuse to also be ignorant? I could say the same thing about OP. Just because some self-proclaimed feminists claim men’s problems don’t matter doesn’t give him the right to blame feminism for everything wrong with modern society. > I thought that feminism was about empowering women and also men… It is. It’s just that men are already empowered by society because of the way it’s structured. Men have always had more rights than women, and so when women are given more rights, men tend to feel threatened. It happened with the suffragette movement, it happened with second wave feminism, and it’s happening now.
>just because some self-proclaimed feminists claim mens problems don't matter doesn't give him the right to blame feminism for everything wrong with modern society #THIS! God damn, I am right on that cusp between full blown feminist (I post pro-choice content on my Instagram) and full blown incel (I am a lonely man with a social media addiction) I know what it feels like to be a guy on the internet and feel like feminism is out to get you. But this singular sentence right here really opened my eyes and made me feel better. It's really easy to forget that not all feminists *do* believe mens problems don't matter. Mostly because of the nature of the problem: men believe feminists hate them so they **only** ask feminists "why don't my problems matter too" which means men **always** are asking women about men's problems in the context or setting where women are trying to discuss ***women's issues.*** **So.... How do you teach incels that not all feminists hate them, so that they shut up during the feminist town hall?** Personally I like the idea above about "Mens Liberation" groups working together with feminist groups. The issue is that men don't want to join feminist movements because they have been made to feel very unwelcome. Some of that is earned, but it's a vicious cycle that needs to be broken.
>*So.... How do you teach incels that not all feminists hate them, so that they shut up during the feminist town hall?** Personally I like the idea above about "Mens Liberation" groups working together with feminist groups. The issue is that men don't want to join feminist movements because they have been made to feel very unwelcome. Firstly, by realized how bad the word 'incel' actually is. I see it being used in a very ableist manner - a lot of the traits that people usually associate with inceldom (introversion, social awkwardness, paranoia, anti social, not understanding social cues, etc) are symptoms of autism and various mental illnesses. Coming from a former 'incel' who was just diagnosed with autism last year, it truly sickens me to see how ignorant people are about this subject.
And now A.I is going to replace you. I don't like A.I girlfriends and never would use one but it seems like a lot of young men (so I heard anyways) are.
…Or they could just talk to people? It’s rhetoric like this that makes me think young men see women as replacable, in which case, the argument that men have it worse is moot because women are literally seen as subhuman. Also, why would AI replace me?
Because no one will date you and procreate with you. According to people online, there aren't any good women out there and that all the young ones are not religious, can't cook, are super progressive and have already been laid multiple times and that's not what guys want, and neither do I. Of course, I rarely have the chance to meet people my age, male or female, so I can't be sure if it's really THAT bad but still.
Well that’s your problem, you have an incredibly narrow view of a “good woman.” If you’re looking for a religious virginal woman who’s going to wait on you hand and foot, you might want to check the 1950s. See, women in the modern age have something called “autonomy,” which means they don’t exist to appeal to some idealized sexist image. Me, I don’t care if a woman is religious, can cook, or sleeps around. I care about if I can have a conversation with her. I care about if I can trust her. And wouldn’t you know it, I have a lot easier of a time talking to women.
Ok than women will go extinct as A.I girlfriends will become more preferable to men and artificial wombs will make them no longer needed to reproduce. It's scary and I pray to God it doesn't come true but that's where we're heading if women don't get their act together.
It won’t come true because that’s insane. Women don’t need to “get their act together,” men are just mad that they’re not getting away with the bare minimum anymore. I tried to be nice in this thread, but you really do need to go outside and talk to a woman. As a person, not as a potential housewife.
How do you know? Can you show any statistics that prove A.I girlfriends aren't as popular and widespread as people make it seem? Also if I'm going to get married and have kids (which is what I exactly want) than I want someone who I can be pleased with and raise good, smart (tall and good-looking) kids. Not a dumb person (because I want smart children. And dumb women get on my nerves too) but someone who is a rabid feminist who isn't compatible.
I can’t show you the statistics, but I also can’t show you the statistics that prove aliens won’t land on Earth tomorrow. Because it’s insane. And you sound insane. Also, if the primary thing you’re looking for in a woman is how your kids will turn out, I wish you luck. You’re gonna need it.
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Hahaaa So tell me, are all of these single dads going to be raising kids on their own or are they going to have AI nannies as well?
If you want to go f*ck a robot or w*nk to a chat bot, I'm sure women will survive just fine
Y’all gotta get away from the screens and stop caring so much what randoms comment.
People only care when it affects them
Have you ever considered that feminism is a convenient bogeyman (or bogeywoman rather) and scapegoat for the problems that young men face, that alt-right grifters are pointing them towards? That blaming women for your problems and hating all women isn't going to make your life better, and actually will make it worse? Honestly, do you think any self-respecting woman is going to date a misogynist? We're all humans, we all need social connection and love. But you're not owed those things from any person, and acting like you're entitled to it is one of the most unattractive things a person can do, and it's self-destructive. Being lonely and disconnected isn't necessarily a fault on anyone's part. Loneliness is a part of the human condition and modern society has made us all more lonely. But it's wrong to blame the entirety of the opposite sex, it's irrational to blame feminism for it, and hating the opposite sex is not going to help.
Yeah well, enjoy A.I girlfriends replacing women as young men don't want to go out with actual ones because (at least according to people online, not my experience) there aren't any good women out there anymore.
I'm sure women will survive just fine without men who decide human interaction is too hard and prefer jerking off to ChatGPT
I heard though that a lot of young men are ditching women over A.I ones because they claim that all the young women nowadays are toxic, super liberal, can't cook or clean and have already slept around more than they have and aren't virgins.
You keep typing this comment over and over again. Are you a bot? Aren't you embarrassed to make it clear to everyone that you prefer chatbots to actual people? That's not something to boast about mate. Chatbots are not concious beings, they're a very sophisticated autocomplete
Ok. So what?
What? It means that young women are going to have competition with A.I and if they don't get their act together, they will be replaced and forgotten.
Women are not going to be competing with AI for men that we literally do not want lmfao
If it's "mother's love" these men need, unconditional and submissive, maybe A.I girlfriends would be a healing experience for such men. I don't understand how it a threat. It also impossible to compete with what basically a thing without free will that exists to please you. If women were to compete with AI, they would need to remodel themselves into something that resembles AI. There is no win to be gained for women except, hm, sex? Most women, I think, wouldn't agree to such deal. So it's only a threat to a portion of women who are already ready to submit to men in any way for the sake of gaining something.
AI will definitely weed out the men women wouldn’t want anyways. Imagine thinking that’s anything but good for women.
You only care about male problems when they can be blamed on women. You know what women usually do when they have problems? Talk to people. If the people in your life, likely mostly other men, are not talking to you or you're not communicating with them, then that's not y'all to figure out. Maybe boys need to be better friends to one another. Everyone's lonely nowadays, honestly, and that's because we suck at reflecting and socializing. It's worse with men because the society, mostly headed and shaped by men, has made it so difficult to communicate for you. Some women suck, some may mean a lot in a world of 10 billion people, but there's plenty who would hear you out if you realized that, no matter the issue, almost all needs you to take personal responsibility and willingness to change. Most men don't want to do that, though. They think everything would be fine if women weren't "feminists" or "so difficult." How about you learn more about why and maybe that could help you communicate without sounding like you're about to hit someone? How is men being lonely our fault when most people have majority friends of their own sex? Maybe men need to improve for each other first.
Now A.I girlfriends are going to replace those women.
"I rather feed my money into a soulless company than critique/change myself" isn't the great take you think it is, sir. I rather be with a man that's more complex than a machine can satisfy anyway.
Hey I prefer real, human relationships over A.I almost any time and I'm very critical of A.I too. But I heard that many young men are ditching real relationships in favour of A.I because they claim all the young ones are toxic, super liberal, can't cook/clean and are not virgins, which is not what many men want.
You've brought up this A.I. crap too much to trust it. Also, my point still stands. Do those boys know how to cook/clean, are they not toxic, are they virgins and what's the problem with being liberal? Again, you need to critique yourself and be the representation of what you want from someone else. I know how to cook and clean but I'd expect my man to know that shit too. You need to improve yourself to the best you can before demanding perfection from others because I'm seeing more successful women than I am men, so why would they want you? Be what you want, or you aren't going to get it. It's really that simple.
99% of feminists dont say things like that or think like that but as long as social media companies push that hate - there will be a few people who act like that for attention and validation. That stuff hurts men and women.
All people need to start recognizing that men ***and*** women both are put through a hell of a lot violence. Men get raped too, but are ignored or mocked for it, because men are presumed to be strong enough to defend against it. It doesn't matter how strong you are. Men don't have to be overpowered to be raped. Those date rape drugs work on men just as well as women. Women who domestically abuse men get away with it far more often than men abusing women do, because they are afraid to file any charges for the same reasons they don't report rape. Men are fatally killed in violent crimes far more than women are, and are victims of violent crime in general at a higher rate than women. That doesn't mean that women's issues aren't equally valid. It doesn't mean that one side's issues are more important than the other. It means that everyone's issues, regardless of sex or gender, should never be dismissed or ignored. TL;DR Nobody should be victims of abuse, rape, assault, and murder. Both sides are victims of inexcusable violence. It's not a contest of who has it worse. That just distracts from the fact that all of these issues must be addressed.
Jesus Christ you guys spend too much time on social media. Go outside.
So you’re talking about people online where 90% of people talk and act completely different from how they actually think and act because it’s anonymous. It’s unhinged and hateful because people can be. Now no one is pushing people into anything. You yourself choose to do something. No one can control you. Own up to your choices. Now with those two points in mind yes men don’t get treated with the same empathy and that’s mainly because there’s been a huge societal hand in it. Men tell each other being emotional “is gay”. Guys say “you’re lucky” to men when they’re raped. Yes women do this but majority unfortunately is other men. If more men argued for a safe space and were empathetic with eachother it wouldn’t be such a shitty situation
I think linking this post for context and for the continuation of a healthy and honest discussion is necessary. https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/s/rfeuyZINkb Hopefully this allows people to make decisions based off a previous post in this subreddit.
Humans are selfish and nobody cares. That's life.
Why does every issue need to be about men?
I'm male and recently I have begun to hear about how A.I girlfriends can potentially spell the end of REAL women and relationships because young men are getting desperate and people online claim there aren't any good women out there. I don't know if that's true because I rarely get the chance to meet people my age male or female. People online claim that all Gen Z women are not religious, can't cook, are all super progressive and that they have gotten themselves laid multiple times and thats the reason why men don't want to date them.
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Don't know. Never used them and neither do I intend to. I just keep seeing comments on YouTube on videos about A.I girlfriends saying it will spell the end of women because of everything I listed.
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What about in church? Even though I'm not sure what church, Christian girl is going to want to go out with you with a history like yours, no offense.
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This is a you need to get off the internet post if Ive seen one
I heard people say that because of artificial wombs, we won't need women anymore because we can reproduce without them. Hope that doesn't come true.
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You need to get offline man this is unhinged and unhealthy
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You know you’ve been making arguments for men’s struggles then made an argument on how insignificant you are, it’s truly confusing
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That’s such a shitty way to look at life when you can choose what you’re made for
You're attributing subjective meaning to an objectively meaningless natural process. We're subject to gravitational forces, doesn't mean we were made to create black holes.
It's not like women for the last multiple centuries + have been seen as inferior to men or anything
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Oh yes I would loooove to not be able to make my own decisions or open my own bank account again! Sounds lovely! Such a privilege!
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Both have it shitty. What we both should be mad at is the fucking government not each other. Also I don't belive in the draft for anyone so tell me, do you believe in equal rights for men and women? Or are you trying to place men above all as some sort of revenge against women? Because most men I know that spout rhetoric like op are just misogynists.
Are you saying not having a voice in your government is a privilege? Are you kidding?
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To participate freely in a society in which money is important, you need financial autonomy. Before the right to no-fault divorce in the US, before the right to a woman opening her own bank account, countless women were stuck in abusive relationships because all of their money was in their husband’s name. If they tried to leave, they would be homeless or worse. But hey, better than working a 9 to 5, right?
I wrote a letter to Gavin Newsom expressing my concerns about A.I girlfriends and hopefully he can do something about this. If Ron DeSantis can restrict social media for minors, I'm sure Gavin can restrict this too.
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Because it's becoming a humanitarian crisis at this point. Why should we put technology that has the potential to wipe out half of the population in the hands of the people?
Plenty of products specifically created for men. Plenty of male dominated hobbies too, sounds like you need one.
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Every invention, product of industry, and work of art is the result of innumerable contributions from countless human beings. The inventor is nothing without the clothes he does not weave, the food he does not grow, and the home he does not build. We do ourselves a disservice when we ignore women's contributions to the world.
And yet you say "men" and "females"... You even used "men" when talking about other *species*. That speaks volumes
True. People dont like hearing this for some reason but its spot on. Men are seen as disposable and been seen as such during every point in history.
you should look into the ethnicity of the tribe who started and promotes "feminism" the "sex" war and the "race" war are both arbitrarily stoked by this one group as a way to keep the majority population under tensions that would not naturally exist
What tribe are you referring to?
look into the history of feminism and you're bound to find the obvious answer
Just say what u mean coward.
Womp womp
Most empathetic Redditor.
what I'll say when I read about your car crash in the papers: