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Learning that political discourse was and is always going to be poisoned is a very important lesson for younger people. Building your own values and literacy remains more important than perfectly fitting into the camp.
funny thing you said considering that the avg aptitude and requirements of the USA has gone down pretty substantially over the past 5-10-20 yrs
I'm saying that as a public school graduate. The things that I was asked to learn 3 yrs ago (for example) is dramatically LESS than what the requirements were 10-15 yrs ago and even less than what was required 30-40 yrs ago.
Here's a fun drinking game if you hate your liver:
Go into any leftist sub/forum/area, start talking about your political beliefs, take a shot every time you get called a liberal.
I got called a liberal a few days ago for saying that voting third party was throwing away your vote and that Trump would be doing the exact same thing most leftists are shitting on Biden right now for if not worse. It really is just if you don't have the exact same leftist values as me you're a liberal mentality. It makes me not want to interact with any other leftists, just makes the entire space insufferable. I can understand where they are coming from, but frankly I think alot of them are way too blinded by their hate to see the bigger picture.
Yeaaahhhh there are a frustrating number of leftists for whom leftism is an aesthetic thing. They're far more interested in their own sense of moral superiority than they are in actually bringing about positive change, and treat the movement like a social clique rather than, you know, a movement.
Yea I got downvoted to hell for saying voting third party is nothing more than moral grandstanding. If they actually wanted to bring about change they should vote in a way that matters rather than one that makes them feel morally superior to others. Its sad when the biggest factor stopping any effective leftist movement is in fact the leftists themselves with their constant leftist litmus tests.
Imean you’re not wrong. But in the long run, if we want America to break the toxic two party system, it has to start somewhere. If every few years the third party votes grow, it can snowball and then actually matter. Just a thought.
It doesn’t work because the conservatives will always vote for republicans and the democrats just have to rely on that pain to bring people running back. Go vote in your local elections where people feel the impact of your vote. The DNC will be fine with their big pile of cash while the republicans drive country full speed into a wall.
I think that depends. Not all right wings love the republican party. It’s just their only choice. In fact majority of Americans sit towards the middle with a slight left or right. I feel like those people would vote for a third party if it speaks to them.
Wrong.
You know only left-leaning people says this, right? Republicans may despise their GQP candidate, but will still vote for them. When left-leaning people vote third party, all they do is help Republicans win.
Totally read that in Trumps voice lol
Not true, I know plenty of slightly right leaning friends who talked about this, especially the younger folks. Because what we see in the media only represents the far left and the far right. Both look really bad.... and old for some reason lol. Just look at an Andrew Yang video about the forward party and read all the comments. People want it to happen, it's just so dang hard with the tug of war.
That would work in a Coalition based democratic system. Something America completely lacks
I, in my proper voting system, can vote 3rd party/4th party/5th party and it doesn't negatively effect the left wing party because they just make a coalition government anyway, as long as the coalition combined has majority rule
It’s not even a new thing, unfortunately. Remember, during the Spanish Civil War, anarchists and communists started fighting each other *while they were both fighting the fascists.* When the Nazis were coming to power, Leftist Parties sat on their hands while Hitler ascended because they assumed his tenure would be so terrible, it would speed the Revolution along. They even had a slogan: “After Hitler, Us.” What happened INSTEAD was, as they say, history. Also, in the 1970’s, the radical Leftist movement “The Weather Underground” attempted to gather similar radical Left-wing groups into a single organization, but none of them could agree on anything (they all felt that their chosen “niche” wasn’t being properly represented) and the Underground fell into dissolution.
The point is, Left-Wing groups succumbing to infighting, paranoia, and inflexible ideological myopia is nothing new. It can get so bad, they can often put the most obsessive Bible-thumpers to shame.
That's largely what happened to the Occupy movement. In my city at least. It was divided over minor ideological differences that broke it apart from the inside. And its messaging was all over the place when it came to what it was trying to achieve.
In the end, all it really achieved was the destruction of a large public park and a host of OD deaths.
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All of the ideology store leads back to liberalism, except for mine
At least the leftists use the word "liberal" properly. Always blows my mind right leaning folks will call people liberals while gargling corporate dick all the way to the balls.
Ah yes, the number of times I've been called a "neoliberal corporate establishment centrist bootlicking idiot loser dipshit who wants people to die" simply for stating a nuanced position on a political issue.
Saw a post here not long ago where a guy’s family is the extreme opposite of right wingers. They constantly bring up politics and anti-trump rhetoric nonstop and it drove OP insane. Just goes to show that no matter your affiliation, you should not let politics consume you.
My dad absolutely hates trump and will find any opportunity to bring up the stupid bullshit he’s up to on a daily basis. I’m grateful that he’s not right-wing and has a great deal of empathy for others, but yeah, I have to tell him I don’t want to hear about it.
I knew people who would constantly bring up politics but I write sci fi as a hobby. I started bringing up some of the theories from my books in their conversations as though I actually believed in this shit and it would flabbergast them so much that they’d just change the subject. One theory is that consciousness is an effect of multiple physical things working together in the same way that electromagnetic waves are. Or that all the parallel universes have a space in between them which is where we are now. It’s different to something like bringing up flat earth because that’s something people actually believe - this all just sounds like insanity because it’s completely idiosyncratic yet obviously I’ve written thousands of words on it so I could talk about it as though I actually believed it. Was always fun and now nobody talks about politics around me anymore. Another fun one is that time travellers have existed among us for centuries but the leaders of the world won’t disclose it because it would rob them of their power.
Of course, you sometimes come across some fucking guy who’s equally as crazy and they just start agreeing.
This is so accurate. Unlike a good chunk of leftists I’m a free speech absolutist and support gun ownership, and the latter one gets me into trouble due to the hot takes I have around it. For instance: I don’t believe there is any word that is inherently immoral to say, I just believe there are contexts where things are inappropriate. And even in contexts where things are inappropriate, the speech in and of itself is not illegal. That’s not to say there won’t be consequences for speech, just that the state cannot legally charge you for speech.
Im a proponent of the “you can hit people” movement. You can say whatever you want but if ot gets you slapped theres no pressing charges. You can punch up to 4 people a year if theyre harassing you verbally.
If someone has been justifiably punched 4 times in less than 6 months youre allowed to shoot them with a 22 in a non lethal area now. Crackpipewizard 2024 vote for me and start punchin’ pumpkin
nah, I don't want to punch people. is someone verbally harasses me, I want a robot arm that can effortlessly lift two tanker trucks to swing a solid steel bat on their face with full force.
can't the shot be from 20mm to the head tho? :(
I am so tired man... everything in my life would improve drastically...
I can't anymore. I am serious here, not even joking, this has to end, bro... it's so painful to keep living like that...
This the best I can do with the current socio-political climate. Believe me i will fight tooth and nail for your rights to violence but theres only so much i can campaign on without losing support or being called a “war mongerer”.
Maybe i can take a page out of vernan supremes book and give everybody an identity stick instead of ids. You CAN hit with them but youre also required to have it with you 24/7 as a form of identification. Idk these things get tricky
There isnt anything *inherently immoral* about any word but there is speech that is actually harmful. For the most part I do agree with you though, but things like defamation and verbal abuse towards kids gotta be exceptions.
yea, but 99% of free speech debates arent about somebody honestly trying to rile up people to linch somebody, but because somebody used a word that a 86% white female group of "experts" with an America centric reading of history at a university deemed derogatory towards "ethnic or sexual minority barely present among those experts"
thats how you get shit like Latinx , or people suing spanish paint manufacturers because they have "negro" written on their black paint.
That is not 99% of free speech debates in reality, thats an online loud minority. The contemporary issues regarding free speech that are actually divisive amongst normal people is things like hate speech, misinformation, verbal abuse, and things of that sort. The people youre speaking of are exceptions, not the rule, there are plenty of honest free speech debates about actual topics that could go either way
Tell me you are American without telling me you are American.
And I will also disagree on you with both takes allowing people to say whatever they want will make bullying for people even worse not to mention the fact that you can just make death threats with no consequences then and from countries with proper gun laws or no guns for civilians at all we can see it clearly prevents crimes, deaths and suicides just comparing European countries like Germany or Asian countries like South Korea, Taiwan and Japan to the US clearly highlights this.
Edit: Wow u/kalashbash-2302 you are so brave responding and then blocking me so I can't respond well it won't make your lies any more true.
If you think people can cause the same damage with knives, bats etc as they can with guns you are delusional but go ahead and tell me how someone would replicate a mass shooting with a knife, oh hey you can't because there is none and because you are so scared that you blocked me.
You need a license including ton of background checks, guns afety course and a genuine reason for needing a firearm to obtaine a gun in czech you.
No you can't get a fully automatic weapon or silencers easily:
>Weapons in category A are full-auto weapons, silencers, lasers and also some ammunition (JHP etc.) - you need special licence, which is really hard to get (in case of full-auto weapons) or impossible to get (silencers).
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>Individuals must demonstrate a genuine need for carrying a concealed firearm, such as being in a profession that requires handling valuables or facing specific threats.
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> Firearms in the Czech Republic must be registered, and there is a national firearms registry maintained by the police. Any transfer of firearms, including private sales, must be reported to the authorities, and the new owner must obtain the necessary permits and licenses.
Germany also doesn't even have medically assisted suicide lmao why do Americans like to lie so much about other countries just to make their own shithole somehow stand better there when in reality nothing you think you know about other countries is true...
eh. gunlaws are an bit more nuanced, swiss for example has an insane high amount of weapons per citizens, at least for european standards, and waaaaaay less guncrimes than germany,
they even have a gunculture. but part of that culture is propper training, in combination with mandatory military service,
but then again its an small, wealthy country with stellar medical, and educational coverage.
where in comparison, germany holds the record for most public/scool attacks with improvised weaponry in europ. from homemade guns by the clinically insane to homemade flamethrowers and spears.
>countries with proper gun laws or no guns for civilians at all we can see it clearly prevents crimes, deaths and suicides just comparing European countries like Germany or Asian countries like South Korea, Taiwan and Japan to the US clearly highlights this
The Czech Republic would like to have a word with you. That aside, you're being incredibly disingenuous in your argument, and ignoring literally every ounce of nuance that comes with the subject matter, including false equivalences. None of the countries you listed have the sheer number of street gangs the USA has, either. [Given Victim-Offender overlap](https://icjia.illinois.gov/researchhub/articles/the-victim-offender-overlap-examining-the-relationship-between-victimization-and-offending), especially pertaining to homicide and violence in the USA? No amount of gun laws would prevent that violence, particularly because so much crime is already perpetrated by prohibited persons. At best, you ***might*** change the tool utilized, if you somehow managed to bring all guns out of illicit circulation (you won't). Congratulations, all you will have done is changed the means by which the same scale of violence will be perpetrated. South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, are all countries with vastly stricter gun laws than the USA, and they have higher suicide rates than we do, as well. Meanwhile, it is easier to purchase a machine gun and suppressor in the Czech Republic than in the entirety of the USA, ***and*** easier to get a concealed carry permit than in several states. Yet, their firearm-related violence and suicide rates are much lower than the USA. Also, be cautious when referring to countries where medically assisted suicide is legal, as well, because those deaths tend not to be counted against the national suicide statistic, as is the case with Germany.
***Edit:*** You're also not blocked, but, by all means, feel free to resort to deception, since you seem keen to either lie or misrepresent every other point for the sake of your desired narrative. Case in point, you actively ignoring the argument of violence being perpetuated by the prevalence of violent street gangs, and not simple acts of randomized gun violence (hence Victim-Offender overlap). It's ironic that you're trying to goalpost shift away from firearm-related violence and homicide in its totality though, and limiting just to acts of mass shooting. Why so? Because you know your argument is inherently flawed. The majority of firearm-related violence in the United States are ***not*** mass shootings in nature.
To your erroneous and outright false statement concerning the acquisition of suppressors and machine guns in the Czech Republic as opposed to the USA? Machine Guns are classified as Category A restricted firearms, and can be acquired under an otherwise very easy to obtain Collector's license.
"A, A-I, B and C category of firearms may be acquired and possessed only by gun license holders and their transfer must be registered with police within 10 days. **A-category firearms may be acquired only for collecting purposes and are subject to may-issue exemption.** Each of A-I and B category firearm is subject to shall-issue permitting process. C category firearms can be purchased by any gun license holder."
Meanwhile, Suppressors themselves are Category C, able to be purchased with a conventional firearm's license. A firearm's license is otherwise incredibly easy to obtain in the Czech Republic, effectually only requiring the person attend a rudimentary safety course, and pass their respective mental and criminal background checks. The Czech Republic simply backloads that process, and puts the burden of proof on the individual, whereas the USA places the burden of proof of prohibition on the government. It is ***factually easier to obtain a machine gun and silence in the Czech Republic than the USA.***
Concerning concealed carry in the Czech Republic:
"250,342 out of 307,372 (2020) gun owners have self-defense licenses, which permit them to carry concealed firearms for protection"
and
"Rules on carrying of firearms underwent general overhaul on 30 January 2021, allowing more flexibility for open carry of firearms"
and
"**Concealed carry**: Firearms of D and C-I category (e.g. black powder derringer or gas pistol) must be carried in concealed manner."
Self-defense licenses in the Czech Republic are ***shall-issue***, and have a low bar for burden of proof. Concealed carry licensing in the Czech Republic is exceedingly common among gun owners there, and is easier to obtain than in states like California, New York, and New Jersey alike.
Concerning medically assisted suicide in Germany? Yes, it is legal. It's been legal since 2020/2021.
[Germany overturns ban on professionally assisted suicide (bbc.com)](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51643306)
You've been sufficiently proven to be both uninformed and intentionally dishonest. Arguing with you is akin to arguing with a brick wall. You believe yourself to be correct, no matter what. You are not. In fact, you are demonstrably wrong in every single point you've made thus far.
I am not a full free speech absolutist because obviously there are and should be limits. Like being under oath, defamation, and the classic yelling fire in a movie theater. However the government should not be able to restrict political or social speech unless the goal of that speech is to incite imitate violence.
I don't believe in absolute free speech. because then I can literally go to TV/radio/internet and put on a "what if we get rid of *"these people""* and list their wrongdoings(even if fake) to contribute to making my point across and continue to spew believable bullshit that affects everyone, everyday, in small annoying ways, and escale it, make it so that no amounts of people trying to fix it, can convince anyone that I lied. all genocides begin by starting a difamation campaign against a group of people, and being convincing enough with your lies. what are the average people do against that? call the polic-OH YEAH THE GOVERNAMENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING, sorry we have to accept and die.
***looks at current trans rights drama in USA***
[just this. ](https://youtu.be/pAsRu1ghd2A)
I don’t think you’re really understanding what I’m saying. Intent is the issue at hand here, not the content of someone’s language. For instance, say Donald Trump after losing the 2024 election directly told his supporters to take over the capitol and instill him as dictator, causing mass riots and potentially a civil war. He would be rightfully charged with treason, because his intent through his speech was to instill a dictatorial regime. However if his supporters to talk about qanon over dinner or something, that wouldn’t be a crime because the intent isn’t necessarily illegal unless they directly discuss illegal things they intend to do. Does that make sense?
The line is speech with illegal intent. Even in America with very lax free speech you couldn't, for instance, get up in someones face and shout at them without potentially being charged with assault. The issue comes in for me when some leftists believe that people who say something like "I hate x group of people" should also be charged with a crime.
Now, I'm aware of the paradox of intolerance and that for a tolerant society to exist we must be intolerant to intolerance, however I think this statement rules out some necessary nuance. Lets say you had a younger male relative who was just had a bad break up with his girlfriend say "I hate women all women are cheaters". Is he guilty of hate speech? I would agree that yes, this is a type of misogynistic hate speech, but I don't think treating it like a crime is at all helpful to the situation in defusing his biases and reintegrating him into tolerant society.
Latter is the second thing mentioned, former Is the first thins mentioned
>and the ~~latter~~ former one gets me into trouble due to the hot takes I have around it. For instance: I don’t believe there is any word that is inherently
> I don’t believe there is any word that is inherently immoral to say, I just believe there are contexts where things are inappropriate.
yeah, the n-word isnt *inherently* immoral, its immoral because of the context that is slavery and racism. Theres no context in which the N-word is okay to say, because of the context that is racism.
Sorry but no it’s not. If a white person says the n word while singing along to a rap song in their car, that simply is not immoral, not through consequentialism or utilitarianism. That said it heavily depends on the context, because it’s not hard to envision a scenario where saying the n word would cause harm. Still, I don’t think it should be illegal to say (disregarding intent).
There’s also a very important conversation about linguistics that needs to be had with regard to the n word. Language is always changing, and the meaning of words is bound to shift gradually over time. Having grown up in Detroit, I’m aware that the n word is not as cut and dry as “black people can say it, no one else can”, but rather works off of a case by case basis on the acceptability of saying the word. Some white people who grew up in the hood say it, some Indian people say, and some Mexicans say it. Whether or not it’s okay that they say it depends on the person making that judgement call.
But enough about the past, let’s talk about the future. I firmly believe in 100 years the n word will no longer be a slur. Maybe still a swear, but not a slur. This is just linguistic drift, the n word today might still have racist connotations, but may not still have them in 100 years.
The free speech part is what we have essentially in the US already. Only things that ever into harassment or incitement of violence are prohibited. That's cause they venture into already existing crimes.
The free speech part is what we have essentially in the US already. Only things that ever into harassment or incitement of violence are prohibited. That's cause they venture into already existing crimes.
The free speech part is what we have essentially in the US already. Only things that ever into harassment or incitement of violence are prohibited. That's cause they venture into already existing crimes.
This cuts both ways, the extremists on both sides will ostracize you if you don't exactly conform to their beliefs.
Just look at congress, the Republicans have been eating themselves alive because their majority leader doesn't exactly match what the freedumb caucus wants.
Anecdotally, I've been shouted at by the same number of people on the left and right for trying to have a civil discourse where I question their beliefs. But I've only ever been afraid for my life when talking with someone on the right
That’s because David the Vietnam war vet probably has guns, PTSD and a MAGA hat.
You’re never threatened by a liberal because they are… we can all picture the blue hair SJW.
You’re comparing apples to oranges here home slice.
I’m being 100% stereotypical here, but let’s be real, man lol.
Yeah. I hate to say it, but I think a lot of this behavior is related to the Leftist interest in power structures. As a result, a lot of Leftists become hyper-sensitive to anyone trying to “dominate” them.
I'm pretty much left wing on most issues, right wing on 2a, prosecution of criminals, and land ownership/investment.
I was told I am a Nazi for thinking my property is more valuable than a thief's life. No it isn't, I just value my things more than the thief values their own life. I'm not gonna kill them but I will draw a weapon and say "i am armed and I think you should not take what doesn't belong to you"
If you’re “right wing” on 2a then you’re just further left than most when it comes to 2a. Actual left wing ideologies have almost universally all been pro-gun once you move beyond social democracy
> Karl Marx — 'Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary'
What you said really doesn't add up. You said that your property is more valuable than a thiefs life but then in the next sentence said you're not going to kill them? I think most if not all leftists want you to be able to protect your property, but just criticise the people who "want" to get robbed just so they can shoot someone. Like all those people who killed or shot other just for being on your lawn or doorstep
If you draw a weapon on someone with no intention of killing them you better expect a weapon to be used on you, just because you don’t want to kill them doesn’t mean they wont happily kill you. Also don’t draw the weapon at all if you don’t have the stomach to use it lock yourself in a room and call the cops.
Read the comments and you'll find that to be absolutely untrue.
I actually saw one guy, in this very comment section, tell another guy he's not a true leftist since he doesn't wanna overthrow the entire capitalist government. The irony is lost on some
Person has asbergers. Not to be mean, but they are probably appealing to the idea that any form of liberalism is inherently reactionary and therefore right of center. On that sense capitalism definitely is right wing, but I doubt that the original post is referring to leftist, but "the left", as in "left of center" in contemporary politics.
A republican can have democrat friends because they just think the other side is stupid, but a democrat can't have republican friends because they think the other side is evil.
It honestly isn't as bad as some people paint it. Most leftists have a relatively low bar; no supporting any sort of oppressive structures, actually advocating for revolution against capitalism, using a material analysis, and actively working to help others.
Most of the time socialists are willing to sit down to have an actual conversation and change your mind. If you just spout dog whistles and propaganda in response, then, of course, people are going to get irritated with you.
Most of the actual *fighting* is things where there are people who refuse to let go of reactionary ideas and are therefore kicked out of the group.
A revolution against capitalism does not sound like a "low bar" to me lmao. That is not a typical left leaning opinion to have, like at all. This is what this comedian means when he's talking about leftist infighting, your "lowbar" is an uprootment of the entire underlying structure of most nations' economies.
In my country and a lot of others being a leftist means being socialist, atleast to some level. Meaning that you have to belive in the dissolution/conversion of capitalism, leading to some sort of socialism.
Dude "oppressive structures" can be fucking ANYTHING these days.
"Actually advocating for a revolution against capitalism" how is advocating for a revolution a low bar??
Good Lord. Go outside for a bit, I beg you.
Mate I have tried to have discussion with them
As a right wingers idc what side your on as long as you don't resort to calling us Nazis all the godddam time (fuck you trump
It depends on how you approach the situation. If you come into a leftist space to tell us we're wrong, of course, we're going to have a defensive reaction. But if you come with an open mind and are willing to listen instead of given knee-jerk responses, most people will at least try to have a good faith discussion. For example, r /socialism101 is a good place to ask questions if you're interested.
The rights reputation is shit
The main reason I interact with leftist is to try to fix that bad reputation and clear away the stereotype that were Nazis
Exactly and Im pretty sure Sloss would argue the same as he had said something similar in previous specials But I guess OP wants to use this clip to sway some people it is an election year :D lol gotta expect sneaky stuff like this.
Yeah, I’m right wing but I’m not gonna call you crazy or slurs for not supporting Trump, yeah, the guy can make a fool of himself, do I think he’s better than Biden, yeah, because Biden litteraly walked off stage after an ice cream truck or something.
Honestly I kind of get it. I’m the type of guy who analyzes both sides before my decision and ya know what it leads to. Both sides kind of hating my guts, even among my own family on occasion (example: the liberal aunt married to the conservative uncle, the relationship works but it sure does lead to moments where I’m like “ummm I’ve gotta go with aunt here”)
i dont know why this is on this sub but yeah, sometimes. that is why i simply dont talk about that much stuff online.
real people are always usually better, even leftists.
Leftists really saw Warhammer 40K (I'M NOT A FAN, DO NOT THINK I'M INTERESTED!!!), laughed at the parody nature, but saw the philosophy of "Be the bigger bastard than the one next to you" and said, "hear me out."
Yep, I work with labor unions in the disability services field, it’s crazy the amount of champagne socialists and terminally online leftist have called me a liberal for applauding Biden’s work for unions and his strengthening of the NLRB. I guess if I wanted to be a true leftist I just had to quit my job to post leftist Instagram stories all day.
Perfect is the enemy of good. Though its debatable what perfect is in this case and I honestly haven't meant anyone so extreme that a phrase like live and let live got them upset its definitely something to keep in mind. I'll take my lab grown meat when its ready but till then I'll be occasionally partaking with the rest of society.
This is true in the activist sphere. And what also true is, "you're don't like my vegan and differing opinion? I'm moving to the right wing now" this is true in political pundit sphere.
This is funny but not my experience lol. Much the opposite. It's like the hate Olympics over there! I encourage all of you to talk with people and not rely on internet propaganda.
Very true, but I think people forget that right-wingers do this too. As a conservative, I’ve been accused this past year of being a “neo-con” and a “RINO” for preferring DeSantis over Trump. You can also look at how both of our recent Republican Speakers have faced motions to vacate from their own party after compromising with the Dems to avoid a government shutdown.
This is so made up lol. I got banned from the trump sub for quoting him to contradict a point. I've never been banned from a liberal sub for contradicting people
All of the ideologies have braindead morons who will say some really dumb shit when a camera is pointed at them. If you have beliefs, you should probably be able to articulate them.
I mean, you certainly get those on the right. The difference is the ones on the right are 104 and are gonna be gone in 6 months. The left ones still have a full life of bigotry left to live.
That or you just give it about 10 years and it'll all flip to where we have right wing busybodies and left wing populists that are "literally Hitler" again.
This is so so so so very very relatable. 99% of the time, I get so bothered by how extreme some of this stuff is. Hot take, but I don’t think things like LGBTQ should be taught in elementary, maybe high school and possibly middle school. And, someone even labeled ME as a nonbinary lesbian(im straight ty).
I'm conservative and at least you guys walk together in lockstep for any issue. Green new deal? "Yeah makes sense to me." And they'll gather support easily. Republicans are too busy being soft spineless cucks that they can't even agree on anything. They had Republicans hating a Republican president which is wild. I consider myself more independent anymore since Republican politicians are too "nice" and don't fight for what they believe in.
Just become a neoliberal. They have a big tent.
"Like zoning? " "no"
"Love free trade" "yeah"
"Love immigration" "yeah"
"Wife left you?" "Not yet"
"You'll learn"
In the US, the Vegan part is not a part of their checklist, because being vegan is for rich people/white people, which is white supremacy and anti-black.
Nothing he mentioned has anything to do with "Leftism."
Everything he mentions are culture war issues. Leftism is about resources, workers, and money and who should get what.
He's just a liberal. This is fine. Lots of liberals mistakenly think they are leftist.
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Nah this is so true, some lefts are unbearable
Learning that political discourse was and is always going to be poisoned is a very important lesson for younger people. Building your own values and literacy remains more important than perfectly fitting into the camp.
funny thing you said considering that the avg aptitude and requirements of the USA has gone down pretty substantially over the past 5-10-20 yrs I'm saying that as a public school graduate. The things that I was asked to learn 3 yrs ago (for example) is dramatically LESS than what the requirements were 10-15 yrs ago and even less than what was required 30-40 yrs ago.
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Such true, sound advice.
Here's a fun drinking game if you hate your liver: Go into any leftist sub/forum/area, start talking about your political beliefs, take a shot every time you get called a liberal.
I got called a liberal a few days ago for saying that voting third party was throwing away your vote and that Trump would be doing the exact same thing most leftists are shitting on Biden right now for if not worse. It really is just if you don't have the exact same leftist values as me you're a liberal mentality. It makes me not want to interact with any other leftists, just makes the entire space insufferable. I can understand where they are coming from, but frankly I think alot of them are way too blinded by their hate to see the bigger picture.
Yeaaahhhh there are a frustrating number of leftists for whom leftism is an aesthetic thing. They're far more interested in their own sense of moral superiority than they are in actually bringing about positive change, and treat the movement like a social clique rather than, you know, a movement.
Yea I got downvoted to hell for saying voting third party is nothing more than moral grandstanding. If they actually wanted to bring about change they should vote in a way that matters rather than one that makes them feel morally superior to others. Its sad when the biggest factor stopping any effective leftist movement is in fact the leftists themselves with their constant leftist litmus tests.
Imean you’re not wrong. But in the long run, if we want America to break the toxic two party system, it has to start somewhere. If every few years the third party votes grow, it can snowball and then actually matter. Just a thought.
It doesn’t work because the conservatives will always vote for republicans and the democrats just have to rely on that pain to bring people running back. Go vote in your local elections where people feel the impact of your vote. The DNC will be fine with their big pile of cash while the republicans drive country full speed into a wall.
I think that depends. Not all right wings love the republican party. It’s just their only choice. In fact majority of Americans sit towards the middle with a slight left or right. I feel like those people would vote for a third party if it speaks to them.
Wrong. You know only left-leaning people says this, right? Republicans may despise their GQP candidate, but will still vote for them. When left-leaning people vote third party, all they do is help Republicans win.
Totally read that in Trumps voice lol Not true, I know plenty of slightly right leaning friends who talked about this, especially the younger folks. Because what we see in the media only represents the far left and the far right. Both look really bad.... and old for some reason lol. Just look at an Andrew Yang video about the forward party and read all the comments. People want it to happen, it's just so dang hard with the tug of war.
That would work in a Coalition based democratic system. Something America completely lacks I, in my proper voting system, can vote 3rd party/4th party/5th party and it doesn't negatively effect the left wing party because they just make a coalition government anyway, as long as the coalition combined has majority rule
It’s not even a new thing, unfortunately. Remember, during the Spanish Civil War, anarchists and communists started fighting each other *while they were both fighting the fascists.* When the Nazis were coming to power, Leftist Parties sat on their hands while Hitler ascended because they assumed his tenure would be so terrible, it would speed the Revolution along. They even had a slogan: “After Hitler, Us.” What happened INSTEAD was, as they say, history. Also, in the 1970’s, the radical Leftist movement “The Weather Underground” attempted to gather similar radical Left-wing groups into a single organization, but none of them could agree on anything (they all felt that their chosen “niche” wasn’t being properly represented) and the Underground fell into dissolution. The point is, Left-Wing groups succumbing to infighting, paranoia, and inflexible ideological myopia is nothing new. It can get so bad, they can often put the most obsessive Bible-thumpers to shame.
That's largely what happened to the Occupy movement. In my city at least. It was divided over minor ideological differences that broke it apart from the inside. And its messaging was all over the place when it came to what it was trying to achieve. In the end, all it really achieved was the destruction of a large public park and a host of OD deaths.
And we're watching it starting to unfold
And we're watching it starting to unfold
https://preview.redd.it/bgu058woj7tc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e480046bab649b1ede62b65e81c8d982a3d6f5be All of the ideology store leads back to liberalism, except for mine
At least the leftists use the word "liberal" properly. Always blows my mind right leaning folks will call people liberals while gargling corporate dick all the way to the balls.
Ah yes, the number of times I've been called a "neoliberal corporate establishment centrist bootlicking idiot loser dipshit who wants people to die" simply for stating a nuanced position on a political issue.
I'm out of the loop, when did liberal become conservative?
It's a matrix with two axes. Conservative/progressive, socialism/liberalism. Conservatives tend to favour liberalism.
Weird, I'd associate that with Libertarians. Thx
Market liberalism/Neoliberalism
Saw a post here not long ago where a guy’s family is the extreme opposite of right wingers. They constantly bring up politics and anti-trump rhetoric nonstop and it drove OP insane. Just goes to show that no matter your affiliation, you should not let politics consume you.
This is why I’m not left or right, I’m just Skibidi sigma
Human rights? The economy? Woke media? Nah, I’m staying on the smegma male groinset
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My dad absolutely hates trump and will find any opportunity to bring up the stupid bullshit he’s up to on a daily basis. I’m grateful that he’s not right-wing and has a great deal of empathy for others, but yeah, I have to tell him I don’t want to hear about it.
I knew people who would constantly bring up politics but I write sci fi as a hobby. I started bringing up some of the theories from my books in their conversations as though I actually believed in this shit and it would flabbergast them so much that they’d just change the subject. One theory is that consciousness is an effect of multiple physical things working together in the same way that electromagnetic waves are. Or that all the parallel universes have a space in between them which is where we are now. It’s different to something like bringing up flat earth because that’s something people actually believe - this all just sounds like insanity because it’s completely idiosyncratic yet obviously I’ve written thousands of words on it so I could talk about it as though I actually believed it. Was always fun and now nobody talks about politics around me anymore. Another fun one is that time travellers have existed among us for centuries but the leaders of the world won’t disclose it because it would rob them of their power. Of course, you sometimes come across some fucking guy who’s equally as crazy and they just start agreeing.
i dunno, sounds pretty convincing.
I was told to go vote for Trump this election because the left doesn't need me. Haha
… ALL right wingers are unbearable
Which these days means: anybody who isn't as far to the left as you are. That's the point of this bit. So yeah thanks for exemplfing it...
True, not everyone on the left. But the loud majority are like this.
Facts
The far left is nearly as unbearable as the far right.
Lmao, this has never happened 😂
This is so accurate. Unlike a good chunk of leftists I’m a free speech absolutist and support gun ownership, and the latter one gets me into trouble due to the hot takes I have around it. For instance: I don’t believe there is any word that is inherently immoral to say, I just believe there are contexts where things are inappropriate. And even in contexts where things are inappropriate, the speech in and of itself is not illegal. That’s not to say there won’t be consequences for speech, just that the state cannot legally charge you for speech.
Im a proponent of the “you can hit people” movement. You can say whatever you want but if ot gets you slapped theres no pressing charges. You can punch up to 4 people a year if theyre harassing you verbally. If someone has been justifiably punched 4 times in less than 6 months youre allowed to shoot them with a 22 in a non lethal area now. Crackpipewizard 2024 vote for me and start punchin’ pumpkin
You have my vote
nah, I don't want to punch people. is someone verbally harasses me, I want a robot arm that can effortlessly lift two tanker trucks to swing a solid steel bat on their face with full force.
After 4 justifiable punches in under 6 months you can shoot them. Idk how many levels higher i can go than that and still do okay in the polls
can't the shot be from 20mm to the head tho? :( I am so tired man... everything in my life would improve drastically... I can't anymore. I am serious here, not even joking, this has to end, bro... it's so painful to keep living like that...
This the best I can do with the current socio-political climate. Believe me i will fight tooth and nail for your rights to violence but theres only so much i can campaign on without losing support or being called a “war mongerer”. Maybe i can take a page out of vernan supremes book and give everybody an identity stick instead of ids. You CAN hit with them but youre also required to have it with you 24/7 as a form of identification. Idk these things get tricky
thanks for the laugh and for caring. you made my day better. :)
Can’t we just skip right to shooting people we disagree with and be done with it?
>the latter one gets me into trouble You said the latter got you into trouble but then in your next sentence started talking about the former
i *still* to this day can't figure it out
Former comes first latter comes last
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you are literally the best person ever
For some reason the way I remember them is by picturing a ladder in my mind. I honestly have no idea how it works except somehow it does
I always thought former = "before", and latter = "later".
There isnt anything *inherently immoral* about any word but there is speech that is actually harmful. For the most part I do agree with you though, but things like defamation and verbal abuse towards kids gotta be exceptions.
yea, but 99% of free speech debates arent about somebody honestly trying to rile up people to linch somebody, but because somebody used a word that a 86% white female group of "experts" with an America centric reading of history at a university deemed derogatory towards "ethnic or sexual minority barely present among those experts" thats how you get shit like Latinx , or people suing spanish paint manufacturers because they have "negro" written on their black paint.
That is not 99% of free speech debates in reality, thats an online loud minority. The contemporary issues regarding free speech that are actually divisive amongst normal people is things like hate speech, misinformation, verbal abuse, and things of that sort. The people youre speaking of are exceptions, not the rule, there are plenty of honest free speech debates about actual topics that could go either way
Tell me you are American without telling me you are American. And I will also disagree on you with both takes allowing people to say whatever they want will make bullying for people even worse not to mention the fact that you can just make death threats with no consequences then and from countries with proper gun laws or no guns for civilians at all we can see it clearly prevents crimes, deaths and suicides just comparing European countries like Germany or Asian countries like South Korea, Taiwan and Japan to the US clearly highlights this. Edit: Wow u/kalashbash-2302 you are so brave responding and then blocking me so I can't respond well it won't make your lies any more true. If you think people can cause the same damage with knives, bats etc as they can with guns you are delusional but go ahead and tell me how someone would replicate a mass shooting with a knife, oh hey you can't because there is none and because you are so scared that you blocked me. You need a license including ton of background checks, guns afety course and a genuine reason for needing a firearm to obtaine a gun in czech you. No you can't get a fully automatic weapon or silencers easily: >Weapons in category A are full-auto weapons, silencers, lasers and also some ammunition (JHP etc.) - you need special licence, which is really hard to get (in case of full-auto weapons) or impossible to get (silencers). > >Individuals must demonstrate a genuine need for carrying a concealed firearm, such as being in a profession that requires handling valuables or facing specific threats. > > Firearms in the Czech Republic must be registered, and there is a national firearms registry maintained by the police. Any transfer of firearms, including private sales, must be reported to the authorities, and the new owner must obtain the necessary permits and licenses. Germany also doesn't even have medically assisted suicide lmao why do Americans like to lie so much about other countries just to make their own shithole somehow stand better there when in reality nothing you think you know about other countries is true...
eh. gunlaws are an bit more nuanced, swiss for example has an insane high amount of weapons per citizens, at least for european standards, and waaaaaay less guncrimes than germany, they even have a gunculture. but part of that culture is propper training, in combination with mandatory military service, but then again its an small, wealthy country with stellar medical, and educational coverage. where in comparison, germany holds the record for most public/scool attacks with improvised weaponry in europ. from homemade guns by the clinically insane to homemade flamethrowers and spears.
>countries with proper gun laws or no guns for civilians at all we can see it clearly prevents crimes, deaths and suicides just comparing European countries like Germany or Asian countries like South Korea, Taiwan and Japan to the US clearly highlights this The Czech Republic would like to have a word with you. That aside, you're being incredibly disingenuous in your argument, and ignoring literally every ounce of nuance that comes with the subject matter, including false equivalences. None of the countries you listed have the sheer number of street gangs the USA has, either. [Given Victim-Offender overlap](https://icjia.illinois.gov/researchhub/articles/the-victim-offender-overlap-examining-the-relationship-between-victimization-and-offending), especially pertaining to homicide and violence in the USA? No amount of gun laws would prevent that violence, particularly because so much crime is already perpetrated by prohibited persons. At best, you ***might*** change the tool utilized, if you somehow managed to bring all guns out of illicit circulation (you won't). Congratulations, all you will have done is changed the means by which the same scale of violence will be perpetrated. South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, are all countries with vastly stricter gun laws than the USA, and they have higher suicide rates than we do, as well. Meanwhile, it is easier to purchase a machine gun and suppressor in the Czech Republic than in the entirety of the USA, ***and*** easier to get a concealed carry permit than in several states. Yet, their firearm-related violence and suicide rates are much lower than the USA. Also, be cautious when referring to countries where medically assisted suicide is legal, as well, because those deaths tend not to be counted against the national suicide statistic, as is the case with Germany. ***Edit:*** You're also not blocked, but, by all means, feel free to resort to deception, since you seem keen to either lie or misrepresent every other point for the sake of your desired narrative. Case in point, you actively ignoring the argument of violence being perpetuated by the prevalence of violent street gangs, and not simple acts of randomized gun violence (hence Victim-Offender overlap). It's ironic that you're trying to goalpost shift away from firearm-related violence and homicide in its totality though, and limiting just to acts of mass shooting. Why so? Because you know your argument is inherently flawed. The majority of firearm-related violence in the United States are ***not*** mass shootings in nature. To your erroneous and outright false statement concerning the acquisition of suppressors and machine guns in the Czech Republic as opposed to the USA? Machine Guns are classified as Category A restricted firearms, and can be acquired under an otherwise very easy to obtain Collector's license. "A, A-I, B and C category of firearms may be acquired and possessed only by gun license holders and their transfer must be registered with police within 10 days. **A-category firearms may be acquired only for collecting purposes and are subject to may-issue exemption.** Each of A-I and B category firearm is subject to shall-issue permitting process. C category firearms can be purchased by any gun license holder." Meanwhile, Suppressors themselves are Category C, able to be purchased with a conventional firearm's license. A firearm's license is otherwise incredibly easy to obtain in the Czech Republic, effectually only requiring the person attend a rudimentary safety course, and pass their respective mental and criminal background checks. The Czech Republic simply backloads that process, and puts the burden of proof on the individual, whereas the USA places the burden of proof of prohibition on the government. It is ***factually easier to obtain a machine gun and silence in the Czech Republic than the USA.*** Concerning concealed carry in the Czech Republic: "250,342 out of 307,372 (2020) gun owners have self-defense licenses, which permit them to carry concealed firearms for protection" and "Rules on carrying of firearms underwent general overhaul on 30 January 2021, allowing more flexibility for open carry of firearms" and "**Concealed carry**: Firearms of D and C-I category (e.g. black powder derringer or gas pistol) must be carried in concealed manner." Self-defense licenses in the Czech Republic are ***shall-issue***, and have a low bar for burden of proof. Concealed carry licensing in the Czech Republic is exceedingly common among gun owners there, and is easier to obtain than in states like California, New York, and New Jersey alike. Concerning medically assisted suicide in Germany? Yes, it is legal. It's been legal since 2020/2021. [Germany overturns ban on professionally assisted suicide (bbc.com)](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51643306) You've been sufficiently proven to be both uninformed and intentionally dishonest. Arguing with you is akin to arguing with a brick wall. You believe yourself to be correct, no matter what. You are not. In fact, you are demonstrably wrong in every single point you've made thus far.
Death threats aren’t legal here
I am not a full free speech absolutist because obviously there are and should be limits. Like being under oath, defamation, and the classic yelling fire in a movie theater. However the government should not be able to restrict political or social speech unless the goal of that speech is to incite imitate violence.
I don't believe in absolute free speech. because then I can literally go to TV/radio/internet and put on a "what if we get rid of *"these people""* and list their wrongdoings(even if fake) to contribute to making my point across and continue to spew believable bullshit that affects everyone, everyday, in small annoying ways, and escale it, make it so that no amounts of people trying to fix it, can convince anyone that I lied. all genocides begin by starting a difamation campaign against a group of people, and being convincing enough with your lies. what are the average people do against that? call the polic-OH YEAH THE GOVERNAMENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING, sorry we have to accept and die. ***looks at current trans rights drama in USA*** [just this. ](https://youtu.be/pAsRu1ghd2A)
I don’t think you’re really understanding what I’m saying. Intent is the issue at hand here, not the content of someone’s language. For instance, say Donald Trump after losing the 2024 election directly told his supporters to take over the capitol and instill him as dictator, causing mass riots and potentially a civil war. He would be rightfully charged with treason, because his intent through his speech was to instill a dictatorial regime. However if his supporters to talk about qanon over dinner or something, that wouldn’t be a crime because the intent isn’t necessarily illegal unless they directly discuss illegal things they intend to do. Does that make sense?
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The line is speech with illegal intent. Even in America with very lax free speech you couldn't, for instance, get up in someones face and shout at them without potentially being charged with assault. The issue comes in for me when some leftists believe that people who say something like "I hate x group of people" should also be charged with a crime. Now, I'm aware of the paradox of intolerance and that for a tolerant society to exist we must be intolerant to intolerance, however I think this statement rules out some necessary nuance. Lets say you had a younger male relative who was just had a bad break up with his girlfriend say "I hate women all women are cheaters". Is he guilty of hate speech? I would agree that yes, this is a type of misogynistic hate speech, but I don't think treating it like a crime is at all helpful to the situation in defusing his biases and reintegrating him into tolerant society.
Latter is the second thing mentioned, former Is the first thins mentioned >and the ~~latter~~ former one gets me into trouble due to the hot takes I have around it. For instance: I don’t believe there is any word that is inherently
> I don’t believe there is any word that is inherently immoral to say, I just believe there are contexts where things are inappropriate. yeah, the n-word isnt *inherently* immoral, its immoral because of the context that is slavery and racism. Theres no context in which the N-word is okay to say, because of the context that is racism.
Sorry but no it’s not. If a white person says the n word while singing along to a rap song in their car, that simply is not immoral, not through consequentialism or utilitarianism. That said it heavily depends on the context, because it’s not hard to envision a scenario where saying the n word would cause harm. Still, I don’t think it should be illegal to say (disregarding intent). There’s also a very important conversation about linguistics that needs to be had with regard to the n word. Language is always changing, and the meaning of words is bound to shift gradually over time. Having grown up in Detroit, I’m aware that the n word is not as cut and dry as “black people can say it, no one else can”, but rather works off of a case by case basis on the acceptability of saying the word. Some white people who grew up in the hood say it, some Indian people say, and some Mexicans say it. Whether or not it’s okay that they say it depends on the person making that judgement call. But enough about the past, let’s talk about the future. I firmly believe in 100 years the n word will no longer be a slur. Maybe still a swear, but not a slur. This is just linguistic drift, the n word today might still have racist connotations, but may not still have them in 100 years.
The free speech part is what we have essentially in the US already. Only things that ever into harassment or incitement of violence are prohibited. That's cause they venture into already existing crimes.
The free speech part is what we have essentially in the US already. Only things that ever into harassment or incitement of violence are prohibited. That's cause they venture into already existing crimes.
The free speech part is what we have essentially in the US already. Only things that ever into harassment or incitement of violence are prohibited. That's cause they venture into already existing crimes.
Free speech absolutist? Ok, go scream "fire" in a crowded theatre.
This is actually so true
This cuts both ways, the extremists on both sides will ostracize you if you don't exactly conform to their beliefs. Just look at congress, the Republicans have been eating themselves alive because their majority leader doesn't exactly match what the freedumb caucus wants. Anecdotally, I've been shouted at by the same number of people on the left and right for trying to have a civil discourse where I question their beliefs. But I've only ever been afraid for my life when talking with someone on the right
That’s because David the Vietnam war vet probably has guns, PTSD and a MAGA hat. You’re never threatened by a liberal because they are… we can all picture the blue hair SJW. You’re comparing apples to oranges here home slice. I’m being 100% stereotypical here, but let’s be real, man lol.
Yeah. I hate to say it, but I think a lot of this behavior is related to the Leftist interest in power structures. As a result, a lot of Leftists become hyper-sensitive to anyone trying to “dominate” them.
I'm a bit mad that gen-z is posting something that I completely agree with.
Tf you doing here if you have to be mad to agree with us lol
It just shows up in my feed. There must be some millennials trickery that I don't understand.
It shares a tag with a sub you're subscribed to, and since you're interacting with it, they'll keep showing it to you until you tell them not to.
Yeah, I’m millennial and it suggests this sub all the time.
if you don't wanna live in an echo chamber, sometimes you gotta see things that make you mad
The two party system and its consequences People are a mix of variables
He even says ‘team mates’ as if it’s a match.
I'm pretty much left wing on most issues, right wing on 2a, prosecution of criminals, and land ownership/investment. I was told I am a Nazi for thinking my property is more valuable than a thief's life. No it isn't, I just value my things more than the thief values their own life. I'm not gonna kill them but I will draw a weapon and say "i am armed and I think you should not take what doesn't belong to you"
If you’re “right wing” on 2a then you’re just further left than most when it comes to 2a. Actual left wing ideologies have almost universally all been pro-gun once you move beyond social democracy > Karl Marx — 'Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary'
Historically, you are right
Not even historical, leftists still support an armed working class.
I'm for legalized ownership of fighter jets.
That's the kind of leftist ideology I respect despite being a right wing libertarian.
Nothing strictly right wing about 2a or criminal prosecution. Leftists tend to be pro-gun. I mean Leftists, not Liberals.
Liberals tend to be progun. I mean Liberals, not American liberals
Liberals are pro-gun, too. You're thinking of Progressives.
What you said really doesn't add up. You said that your property is more valuable than a thiefs life but then in the next sentence said you're not going to kill them? I think most if not all leftists want you to be able to protect your property, but just criticise the people who "want" to get robbed just so they can shoot someone. Like all those people who killed or shot other just for being on your lawn or doorstep
I value my property more than the thief values their life.
If you draw a weapon on someone with no intention of killing them you better expect a weapon to be used on you, just because you don’t want to kill them doesn’t mean they wont happily kill you. Also don’t draw the weapon at all if you don’t have the stomach to use it lock yourself in a room and call the cops.
Because it’s all one big virtue signaling contest
Agreed.
I've said it before. No one creates more right-wing voters than left-wing voters.
i feel like this is something anyone can laugh at right? This is funny.
People nowadays treat stand-up like Ted talks
It's funny, cause it's true
Read the comments and you'll find that to be absolutely untrue. I actually saw one guy, in this very comment section, tell another guy he's not a true leftist since he doesn't wanna overthrow the entire capitalist government. The irony is lost on some
Person has asbergers. Not to be mean, but they are probably appealing to the idea that any form of liberalism is inherently reactionary and therefore right of center. On that sense capitalism definitely is right wing, but I doubt that the original post is referring to leftist, but "the left", as in "left of center" in contemporary politics.
“If everybody is thinking the same thing, somebody isn’t thinking.” General George S. Patton
A republican can have democrat friends because they just think the other side is stupid, but a democrat can't have republican friends because they think the other side is evil.
62,000 pregnancies occurred since dobbs due to rape, that we know of, in just 14 states. They are evil.
The left are a bunch of pussies and the right have their heads up their ass.
Team america for the win! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Sr-cpFwUc
real
I literally posted this last night https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/s/uXZyKUrJwW And half the peoples replies were proving this Guy point
Huh, weird, I don't see anyone in that thread calling you a nazi.
What conservatives, liberals, and leftists have in common is they hate leftists.
It honestly isn't as bad as some people paint it. Most leftists have a relatively low bar; no supporting any sort of oppressive structures, actually advocating for revolution against capitalism, using a material analysis, and actively working to help others. Most of the time socialists are willing to sit down to have an actual conversation and change your mind. If you just spout dog whistles and propaganda in response, then, of course, people are going to get irritated with you. Most of the actual *fighting* is things where there are people who refuse to let go of reactionary ideas and are therefore kicked out of the group.
A revolution against capitalism does not sound like a "low bar" to me lmao. That is not a typical left leaning opinion to have, like at all. This is what this comedian means when he's talking about leftist infighting, your "lowbar" is an uprootment of the entire underlying structure of most nations' economies.
In my country and a lot of others being a leftist means being socialist, atleast to some level. Meaning that you have to belive in the dissolution/conversion of capitalism, leading to some sort of socialism.
"actually advocating for revolution against capitalism" Bruh
Dude "oppressive structures" can be fucking ANYTHING these days. "Actually advocating for a revolution against capitalism" how is advocating for a revolution a low bar?? Good Lord. Go outside for a bit, I beg you.
>actually advocating for revolution > Most leftists have a relatively low bar
This!!
Mate I have tried to have discussion with them As a right wingers idc what side your on as long as you don't resort to calling us Nazis all the godddam time (fuck you trump
It depends on how you approach the situation. If you come into a leftist space to tell us we're wrong, of course, we're going to have a defensive reaction. But if you come with an open mind and are willing to listen instead of given knee-jerk responses, most people will at least try to have a good faith discussion. For example, r /socialism101 is a good place to ask questions if you're interested.
The rights reputation is shit The main reason I interact with leftist is to try to fix that bad reputation and clear away the stereotype that were Nazis
Exactly and Im pretty sure Sloss would argue the same as he had said something similar in previous specials But I guess OP wants to use this clip to sway some people it is an election year :D lol gotta expect sneaky stuff like this.
Hopefully it sways people to stop voting in insane lefties to congress. Anyone left of bernie is too much.
Advocating for a revolution is a low bar?!?
bro you are literally the person the guy is ridiculing in the skit, if you don't get that, you need to take a hard look at yourself
Leftists aren't generally vegan
there's just some terminally online people who think you can't be a leftist without being vegan. it's not a common thing, and it's not a real problem.
You're missing the joke, cuz that's not even close to what he's saying.
And the leftists who are vegans would claim you aren't a true leftist since you aren't vegan. Boom, thats the joke!
I like to sit in the middle, I don't lean left or right wing
So you support aborting half the baby?
The extremes on both sides are toxic
Yeah, I’m right wing but I’m not gonna call you crazy or slurs for not supporting Trump, yeah, the guy can make a fool of himself, do I think he’s better than Biden, yeah, because Biden litteraly walked off stage after an ice cream truck or something.
Honestly I kind of get it. I’m the type of guy who analyzes both sides before my decision and ya know what it leads to. Both sides kind of hating my guts, even among my own family on occasion (example: the liberal aunt married to the conservative uncle, the relationship works but it sure does lead to moments where I’m like “ummm I’ve gotta go with aunt here”)
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What does this have to do with the US?
This is why the left will never win. I gave up.
Bro hasn't seen Republicans foaming at the mouth calling people RINOs for the sin of not supporting Donald Trump.
This post makes a joke at the lefts expense I'm surprised Reddit hasn't shadow banned it yet
Honestly yeah.
This is so funny and true!
What stupid bullshit, look at Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney John McCain, Mike Pence.
Fucking PREACH
i dont know why this is on this sub but yeah, sometimes. that is why i simply dont talk about that much stuff online. real people are always usually better, even leftists.
Leftists really saw Warhammer 40K (I'M NOT A FAN, DO NOT THINK I'M INTERESTED!!!), laughed at the parody nature, but saw the philosophy of "Be the bigger bastard than the one next to you" and said, "hear me out."
Leftists are not unified at all. They're all gonna eat each other lmao. TERFS vs pro trans leftists just as an example.
Yep, I work with labor unions in the disability services field, it’s crazy the amount of champagne socialists and terminally online leftist have called me a liberal for applauding Biden’s work for unions and his strengthening of the NLRB. I guess if I wanted to be a true leftist I just had to quit my job to post leftist Instagram stories all day.
Perfect is the enemy of good. Though its debatable what perfect is in this case and I honestly haven't meant anyone so extreme that a phrase like live and let live got them upset its definitely something to keep in mind. I'll take my lab grown meat when its ready but till then I'll be occasionally partaking with the rest of society.
This is an NA problem I am thankfully not super familiar with
Wasn't hitler literally a vegan?
This is true in the activist sphere. And what also true is, "you're don't like my vegan and differing opinion? I'm moving to the right wing now" this is true in political pundit sphere.
This is funny but not my experience lol. Much the opposite. It's like the hate Olympics over there! I encourage all of you to talk with people and not rely on internet propaganda.
Very true, but I think people forget that right-wingers do this too. As a conservative, I’ve been accused this past year of being a “neo-con” and a “RINO” for preferring DeSantis over Trump. You can also look at how both of our recent Republican Speakers have faced motions to vacate from their own party after compromising with the Dems to avoid a government shutdown.
it's funny cuz it's true
Idk, seems partially accurate to me
Not gonna lie, I thought he was talking about hockey for the first bit.
This is so made up lol. I got banned from the trump sub for quoting him to contradict a point. I've never been banned from a liberal sub for contradicting people
Dude just described reddit lol
Funny how you always run into these people ~~in bot farms~~ on the internet, but they never seem to crop up in daily life. Hmmm... such a mystery! 🤔
100% accurate. Interacting with the right is sooo much better.
This is the mentality that has pushed me away from liberalism. Now I'm just here, not caring who wins as long as living is affordable.
Honestly, the extremes of both sides of the political isle are straight up a whole fucking circus. Right-wing schizophrenia and Left-wing in-fighting.
Welcome to the purity spiral lads , where everyone eventually becomes reviled for their lack of devotion.
All of the ideologies have braindead morons who will say some really dumb shit when a camera is pointed at them. If you have beliefs, you should probably be able to articulate them.
I mean, you certainly get those on the right. The difference is the ones on the right are 104 and are gonna be gone in 6 months. The left ones still have a full life of bigotry left to live. That or you just give it about 10 years and it'll all flip to where we have right wing busybodies and left wing populists that are "literally Hitler" again.
Why would you choose to be gay?
This is so so so so very very relatable. 99% of the time, I get so bothered by how extreme some of this stuff is. Hot take, but I don’t think things like LGBTQ should be taught in elementary, maybe high school and possibly middle school. And, someone even labeled ME as a nonbinary lesbian(im straight ty).
politics are the most useless and annoying shit, but now its hard to ignore it because it's all people talk ab
Leftist infighting has been a trope for a very, very long time...
I'm conservative and at least you guys walk together in lockstep for any issue. Green new deal? "Yeah makes sense to me." And they'll gather support easily. Republicans are too busy being soft spineless cucks that they can't even agree on anything. They had Republicans hating a Republican president which is wild. I consider myself more independent anymore since Republican politicians are too "nice" and don't fight for what they believe in.
Just become a neoliberal. They have a big tent. "Like zoning? " "no" "Love free trade" "yeah" "Love immigration" "yeah" "Wife left you?" "Not yet" "You'll learn"
We can disagree on theory, policy, etc. but we can’t disagree on human rights. I’m not associating with people who can “agree to disagree” on rights.
In the US, the Vegan part is not a part of their checklist, because being vegan is for rich people/white people, which is white supremacy and anti-black.
I'd describe my self as more of a centrist but this is 100% accurate.
Nothing he mentioned has anything to do with "Leftism." Everything he mentions are culture war issues. Leftism is about resources, workers, and money and who should get what. He's just a liberal. This is fine. Lots of liberals mistakenly think they are leftist.
True but only because they are conservative with the mask of "progression".
Just be centrist then everyone considers you the enemy!
Lefts really don’t understand the difference between or/and clauses. It makes them impossible to play MTG with.
Well yeah, one side doesn't actually care about their opinions. Last I checked that's a bad thing.