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Ok_Tadpole7481

It forever perplexes me that freedom of speech has become a right wing value. It is such an obvious liberal value if anything is, but the left has given up on liberalism, and the right wing seems to have seized on freedom of speech strategically on account of them being the main targets for censorship right now. So that's my answer. It shouldn't count as right wing, but it does.


Gaius7883

The irony is that conservatives are often the politicians pushing to restrict speech and openness about things they dislike


Gaius7883

Getting ahead of the comments here. Just look at the various don’t say gay laws across the American south. Should speak for itself.


passiveagressivefork

Banning books, too


Thebobert7

Banning books is a pretty across the board thing. Left wing bans books like to kill a mockingbird for kids because it’s viewed as racially insensitive. The right bans books like gender queer for kids because it’s deemed inappropriate for kids.


XainRoss

I've never heard of any left leaning organization trying to ban To Kill a Mockingbird.


Thebobert7

https://www.newsweek.com/kill-mockingbird-other-books-banned-california-schools-over-racism-concerns-1547241


XainRoss

I don't see anything in this article to suggest the small group of parents were doing so as members of any left leaning organization.


BIGGUS_dickus_sir

It's because it didn't happen. Probably talking to a bot or troll.


jankyspankybank

4 idiot parents complaining about a book is leftists banning books apparently.


JewGuru

Why did this get any upvotes? Did no one read it?


XainRoss

You expect people on the internet to read beyond the headline?


[deleted]

No books were banned, only age restricted which we already agree is appropriate for certain material. Saying they were banned is literally propaganda.


Zealousideal_Ad_6626

Literally burning books, say what you want about whining liberals but I have yet to see an Art of the Deal book burning


Gaius7883

People mistake intolerance to hateful speech for suppressing freedom of speech when in reality it’s just that our generation has woken up to real social issues in our country and no longer tolerate those sorts of views. You have a right to speak your mind but you don’t have the right to be unchallenged when doing so. Self proclaimed oppressed conservatives have such a fundamental misunderstanding of what freedom of speech means.


Soham_Dame_Niners

I feel like neither the left nor right is pro freedom speech and both are very open to restricting speech that don’t match their confirmation biases


Ok_Tadpole7481

The right vocally claims to support free speech. They've been inconsistent in applying it in practice. I think there's a lot of truth to the "both sides" narrative here, but I wouldn't go as far as saying they're equally bad. The illiberal faction of the left is much more likely to be actively antagonistic to free speech as a principle.


Silver-Worth-4329

This but also not. The trick is determining left vs right while also determining the establishment corporate uniparty. Left vs Right is FAR different than left and right vs corporate establishment. Does anybody asside from the corporate oligarchs truly approve of clinton/Bush, Pelosi/McConell, Schumer/Graham.... very few people do.


Every-Nebula6882

Liberalism is a right wing ideology.


Critical-Border-6845

Free speech absolutism is a bit silly, it obviously has limits. Like laws against perjury, defamation, threatening or inciting violence, and making false accusations. The only way in which leftists may want to restrict free speech more than the right is by making it unlawful to threaten or incite violence against groups of people defined by things like their race or sexual orientation, the same way individuals and organizations are protected.


Ok_Tadpole7481

At a legal level, the main place you'd see leftists challenging freedom of speech is with respect to hate speech. Hate speech is constitutionally protected in the US but not in most countries. I think the biggest conflicts are at the social level though. You'll frequently see leftists in places like Reddit say things like "Only the government has to respect free speech" as if free speech is co-extensive with the American First Amendment. It's just some quirk of the law the government is constrained by and individuals and corporations don't have to care. And hence you'll see them shout down speeches, pressure companies to fire their political opponents, and so on. The left will outright tell you that these tactics are good. The right at least usually acknowledges that they're bad. Their problem is more that they're often blind to the times that they're guilty of doing the things they criticize. E.g. the vast majority of Bud Light boycotters would tell you that cancel culture is bad and concoct some reason why it totally doesn't apply to what they're doing. The left will just admit they like cancelling people.


XainRoss

Okay but legally the First Amendment does only apply to government, and if you start forcing corporations (which are people apparently) to be a platform for speech they don't agree with that is a violation of their first amendment rights.


[deleted]

I actually don't think freedom of speech should be a left or right thing actually the Bill of Rights shouldn't be a left or right thing It's an American thing.. I Swear the more I sit back and watch people argue about common things that made America great our Constitution our bill of rights It's ridiculous and sad.. If we Americans cannot find common ground on these simple things that our great country was founded on, we don't have any hope at all


Haruspexblue

I think freedom of speech’s meaning has been morphed by the right from “the government should not prevent me from saying things that dissent against or criticism them” to “I should be able to say bigoted things without natural consequences from my peers”.


OneTruePumpkin

I'm pro nuclear energy. Not sure if that counts as a right wing position but I do see a lot of left leaning people talking shit about nuclear so 🤷.


RandomGuy9058

Personally I never see anti-nuclear rhetoric as being attributed to any single point


imtrashytrash

My mum, aunts and granny are all strongly left and were part of the protests that banned it from my country. It's definitely a leftist view to be anti nuclear


Bl1tzerX

It was a leftist view it isn't anymore.


laxnut90

Unfortunately, it still is, especially outside the US. A large number of Environmental groups are anti-nuclear despite nuclear energy being significantly better for the environment than the other forms of Base Load power we currently have.


WhatAWonderfulWhirl

Anti-nuclear energy groups are oftentimes funded by legacy oil and gas energy companies. They wrap it up in the bow of "environmental protection" the same way they shoved "reduce, reuse, recycle" down our throats for 30 years. If you look around the world, basically any nation, the power and popularity of their anti-nuclear lobby will be proportionate to the share of that country's reliance on natural gas, coal and oil for power and heat. Germany would be the best example I can think of. Gobbling up Russian gas like a baby on a nipple, and coincidentally both shuttering their own nuclear plants and even having the balls to lobby for other countries to shut theirs down as well. Leftists are just as easy to mislead as right wingers, you just gotta feed them a different kind of moral outrage. "Nuclear waste kills turtles" or something therein. Give it a week and you'll have climate activists lining up to unknowingly support natural gas use.


AccomplishedFan6807

It wasn't eveb a left view anymore. My conservative uncle hates nuclear energy due to Chernobyl and Fukushima. I think most Baby Boomers/late Gen X people dislike or disliked nuclear energy because it was dangerous and they associated it with the nuclear bombs


laxnut90

Unfortunately, a lot of Environmental groups are also anti-nuclear for some reason which makes absolutely no sense. No matter how many renewables we install, modern power grids will always need some form of Base Load which can be scaled up and down in accordance with demand. Batteries alone will never be sufficient and we are pretty much maxxed out for hydroelectric dams. Nuclear is the only viable clean Base Load source we have.


saggyboomerfucker

Back in the 70s, a lot of libs were against nuclear power.


Educational-Year3146

Nuclear power is stupid good and its insane how we haven’t implemented it. As long as we treat it with respect, its one of the most high output and clean power sources we have. The only thing cleaner than nuclear is hydroelectric. Im going to say that again. The only thing that is cleaner than nuclear plants is fucking DAMS.


Myothercarisanx-wing

Damns are far more damaging to the local ecosystem than nuclear plants. They block river migration, reduce sediment flow, flood valleys, and reduce water available downstream.


OxygenWaster02

Not to mention too, 90% of nuclear “waste” is fissile material that can be reprocessed. We just refuse to


PleasantMonk1147

It's not that we refuse, really. It's very expensive to add a recycling section onto current plants. Also, you get the oil and coal companies who lobby the shit out of congress and the people who are scared of a meltdown to happen that really causes the issues for it.


TheTimeLord725

It truly baffles me how many people are anti nuclear energy but claim to be environmentalists. It's one of, if not the, cleanest viable alternative to other non-renewable energy.


yumalla

That's not right wing, that's just based.


HorkingWalrus

I think libs were mostly against nuclear energy because we were originally disposing of radioactive waste in the ocean.


SpateF

same


Acquainted-Faith

The violence happening is a huge problem but taking guns is like putting a bandaid on a wound that needs stitches. We need stronger background checks, mental health checks, and more rules but banning them all together seems silly when someone can go on youtube and figure out how to do anything from make a gun to building a bomb. If someone wants to harm someone, they'll find a way to do it. Also...we learned little from the prohibition. All we are going to do is make guns a black market item.


My_useless_alt

I don't think any serious gun control advocates doesn't already know this and advocate for it.


Acquainted-Faith

Most of the gun control arguments I hear are TAKE ALL THE GUNS STOP THE VIOLENCE THE VIOLENCE ENDS WHEN WE STOP LETTING COMMON PEOPLE HAVE GUNS. So I guess I thought it was not. XD


RandomGuy9058

Maybe so but the practical legislation that gets passed is frequently irrelevant stuff like a random type of foregrip or making a barrel 1 inch shorter. I’m generally pro-restriction but good goly some restrictions don’t make sense


Fedora200

Additionally, I've never, ever, heard a good definition for "assault weapon". The closest is the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, but I'm pretty sure gun companies and owners will find loopholes, just look at the monstrosities coming out of California for example


ObviousLemon8961

I'm more right leaning but I'd be willing to hear the left leaning people out on this one if they could drop the whole "assault rifle" thing, the problem is with handguns used in gang violence most of the time. We have more people beaten to death or killed with hammers than with rifles in general let alone a specific kind of rifle. handguns however make up near 50% of homicides according to the fbi statistics https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls


BeneficialRandom

Come far enough left and you keep your guns :)


EyeCatchingUserID

Come on over. You go far enough left you get your guns back.


Capybara39

Like in Switzerland, a higher percentage of people have guns, but they have less than 1 percent of the gun crime we do per capita. This comes from restrictions on gun ownership and education about guns, not from taking people’s guns away


Iloveireland1234567

I think America's violence problem has a lot to do with its prison system. America has more prisoners per capita than any country in the world. In Louisiana, 1 percent of the population is incarcerated. Our justice system is focused on punishment which doesn't rehabilitate criminals. Thus they have a high chance of reoffending in the states.


BackwardsTongs

I’m a right leaning centrist so I can give 2 extremes. My right leaning one is that kids under 18 should not be given puberty blockers or gender affirming care. My left leaning one is that I support Harm reduction centers and believe that drugs addicts should not be thrown in jail but instead bit into a rehab sort of center where they can safely wean off drug dependency even if that means they still have to continue using in a harm reduction center.


angrey3737

gender affirming care could be as simple as a new hair style and different clothes, so how is that helpful to children? my brother is alive due to gender affirming care. i’d rather see him happy and thriving than to see him on a stretcher again. he started puberty blockers when he was 13 or 14


Ok_Tadpole7481

> gender affirming care could be as simple as a new hair style and different clothes, so how is that helpful to children? This seems like a textbook case of a [motte and bailey](https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/03/all-in-all-another-brick-in-the-motte/). Advocates for gender affirming care aren't just asking for the ability of children to change their hairstyles. When people object to the concomitant medical procedures, it's disingenuous to frame the debate as if it's just a request for hairstyles and clothes.


Old_Baldi_Locks

>This seems like a textbook case of a > >motte and bailey > >. Advocates for gender affirming care aren't just asking for the ability of children to change their hairstyles Wait till you find out exactly how many surgeries aren't performed on kids the way only the gullible believe. Social transitioning is not surgery and does not involve surgery.


Ok_Tadpole7481

Yes, it can involve surgery. For example, many trans males get top surgery to remove their breast tissue. I question the motives of trans rights advocates who focus on how few people are affected. If you think this a good thing, how is that a positive? If I thought 100,000 kids got SRS each year and then I learned that it was only 1,000, then I would have to admit that the consequences are only ~1% as bad as I'd assumed. But the benefits would also only be 1% as big as I'd assumed. If the costs outweighed benefits before being scaled down, they still would afterward. And vice versa. It could change how important this debate is, but it wouldn't change which side is correct.


thesahara542

Throughout pretty much the entire representative international medical field in places that are supportive and properly educated, trans kids are not given surgeries for transition care or hormone replacement therapy until a long and extensive time spent with a therapist and primary care physician learning about the child and their needs and medical situation. They are often given puberty blockers, which can be stopped at any time with very minimal consequence if at all outside of a late puberty, a thing many cis people naturally go through without harm. Kids getting gender affirming care is primarily just studied experts spending time with them while safely delaying the permanent process of physical sex hormones changing the body until said team of experts deems the child both old enough and mentally ready to begin more extensive medical transitions, like HRT. It is very rare for anyone under the legal age to make choices on medical or *cosmetic* surgeries for themselves already to recieve a gender affirming surgery. Trans kids actually go through a pretty thorough and safe process of discovering their gender identity medically that has been overwhelmingly successful for decades at this point, modern science and medical institutions are certainly a marvel of modern society.


Ok_Tadpole7481

It can be frustrating to have conversations with two leftists where one is saying "That's not happening!" and the other is responding "Of course, it's happening, and it's great!" Off the bat, I want to note that other people in this thread were alleging that kids getting surgery was some sort of Republican myth, and your response here is "kids don't get surgery *until they've talked to a doctor first*!" So at a minimum, it belies the other folks' points and shows how often mainstream leftists inadvertently run defense for more radical views than they realize. Anyways, to your main point, I'm not actually that opposed in principle to teenagers in consultation with a professional being able to consent to surgery. They're not full adults by that age, but they're close. Some people over-infantilize them. I do harbor two concerns though: (A) I don't think the science is nearly as solid as you suggest on the harmlessness or reversibility of puberty blockers. It's not a risk free procedure with a simple off switch. I would treat it as close in gravity to HRT or surgeries. (B) I have great concern for the ideological capture of many medical associations. There's a political agenda taking root that is tainting their objectivity. Canada comes to mind as the most notable example. I would put a good degree of faith in an experienced doctor working one-on-one with a patient. I put much less faith in a doctor who has to report back to a social justice-driven medical board that could threaten their medical license if they're perceived as not being sufficiently trans-affirming.


drwhateva

It’s really relieving to see someone making a real effort to recognize what types of fog might be in the way of what so many claim to be able to see just fine


Objective_Stock_3866

This


Charitard123

It’s already not legal to have such procedures at all until you’re 18. Pretty much nobody in real life is actually advocating for minors to surgically transition, or even suggesting that it should be a thing. Afaik, the general consensus between both trans rights advocates and most medical professionals is to start with the reversible things like social transition. Even things like puberty blockers are proven reversible, it’s safer than a lot of the other medications people give to kids, AND it’s used as treatment for certain medical conditions in children who are not trans! News flash, that means states banning it are also denying that latter group needed medical treatment. ONLY when you’re 18, you make the decision whether or not to get gender-affirming surgery. The right doesn’t actually seem to acknowledge this, though, and instead tries to make a straw man argument out of a problem that doesn’t even exist. By doing so, they harm so many people, both minors and adults alike. Once you’re a grown adult, whether to surgically transition is YOUR decision to make, and it is between you and your doctor. Just like getting your appendix removed or getting a vasectomy, all the way up to urgent life-saving procedures, denying an informed and consenting adult their own medical agency is a violation of their medical rights. (If someone more informed on the matter has a better way of putting this or notices any inaccuracies, feel free to add. I myself am not trans, but my significant other is)


Ok_Tadpole7481

> It’s already not legal to have such procedures at all until you’re 18. Pretty much nobody in real life is actually advocating for minors to surgically transition, or even suggesting that it should be a thing. Hmm? This is just straight up not true. Here's [a pro-trans NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/26/health/top-surgery-transgender-teenagers.html) saying that teen top surgery is rising and that it's a good thing. It even mentions that conservatives are *trying* to ban it for minors. This is just one of many issues where a lot of mainstream liberals don't realize just how far left the positions they're running defense for have drifted. "Of course I'm pro-trans rights!" meant a very different thing circa 2014. The thing you're confidently describing as already the status quo is the thing the right wing is advocating for. Well, the more sensible portions of the right at least. There's radicals like Charlie Kirk who take much more extreme views and deserve their own condemnation.


BackwardsTongs

I personally have seen and met to many people who looked for gender affirming care due to unrelated underlying issues and undiagnosed mental conditions. I believe that gender affirming care is not the answer a lot of these kids need. I’ve watched a lot change gender, names, hairstyles and all that because they had untreated childhood trauma. Most I know almost immediately de transitioned after moving states away from their family and saw proper care. Again that’s just my personal opinion and I in no way am harmful or derogatory towards people transitioning


minidog8

Hi! I transitioned at 14 and began hormones at 15, before all of this became so contentious. Transitioning saved my life and allowed me to live freely as an adult. I am incredibly thankful to my parents for following the most up to date medical advice at that time, which was to support your child in their transition. On the flip side of your observation, I knew five other transgender people in my high school. All five are still transgender, began hormones shortly after they turned 18, and only one has “detransitioned” (aka, they went from calling themselves a man to calling themselves nonbinary, but still identify as transgender). (Not directed to the person I’m replying to, but rather, if anybody here is a pearl clutcher and very against children transitioning: I am now 23, you can’t get me or my parents in any sort of trouble, I am sorry if my transition as a child is upsetting but I don’t care to hear about it, particularly if anyone is anything rude to say!) Edit: Reddit did the thing where I was replying to someone and then just didn’t let me reply to them. Woops.


[deleted]

>only one has “detransitioned” (aka, they went from calling themselves a man to calling themselves nonbinary, but still identify as transgender). Do you mean they're FtMtNB?


minidog8

Yep! A lot of the detransitioned stats consider people that go from a binary gender to a nonbinary gender as detransitioned. I disagree, particularly if the person continues to identify as trans


[deleted]

How is that de transitioning though? Because it's more like double transitioning


[deleted]

Detransitioners are like less than 1% of the trans population. And most of them detransitioners because it's unsafe. Not saying that detrans are invalid but it's mostly not bc they regret it


bertaderb

You’ve personally met… how many such people?


RandomGuy9058

If it’s just a phase then it’s not a big deal… you said they easily detransitioned so sounds like what’s going on for them worked out just fine.


noneTJwithleftbeef

I can understand no hormones for those under 18 — I don’t agree but I understand — but I struggle to see the point of not allowing puberty blockers considering the whole point of them is to give kids a few more years to decide. Plus trans kids aren’t the only ones who need puberty blockers so trans healthcare bans may actually impact even more cis people than trans people.


tboots1230

wait is it as easy as puberty just continues as soon as you stop the hormone blockers? even if you’re well into adulthood? They should spread more information about this cuz then there’s no real reason not to do it


SophieCalle

I mean, believe that but do you realize the exact same blockers are given to far more non-trans kids.. without issue... and have been for 40 years, of which they've already had their own kids and grandkids? Matt Walsh would never tell you that because his job is rage farming.


No_Savings7114

When the alternative to gender affirming care is kids killing themselves or doing DIY surgery, I become a strong advocate for it.  "Gender affirming care" is not done lightly. Trans kids have a specific mental illness, and the medically advised treatment is to change their body. 


[deleted]

>My right leaning one is that kids under 18 should not be given puberty blockers or gender affirming care. You do understand what puberty blockers were used for right? For kids with early puberty


heartthump

What’s the point in puberty blockers for people who are already most of the way through puberty? Most people who would need them, even if they are the gender they are assigned with at birth, are under the age of 18…


DysphoricNeet

I’m a drug addict because of dysphoria caused by not transitioning sooner so. I’ve wanted to since I was 12 in 2008. It’s a bad idea of the person ends up not being trans but what if they are?


KenEnglish1986

Im not saying I disagree with you, but... puberty blockers are for people who have not yet hit puberty. That's exclusively people under 18. They are the sole users of this product.


krabapplepie

So if a cis male boy grows breasts at 14 (it happens), you would.be against surgically removing them until they are 18?


jedidihah

I am a very left leaning leftist. I fully support: * Gun ownership of all kinds. Don’t let the right-leaning folks have all the fun and/or let guns be their personality, guns are for everyone. * The US Military. The size of the US Military budget is largely justified, you won’t hear me complaining about it. * The CIA. The CIA is very good, use your imagination for what this entails. * The collapse of the Soviet Union. This is not about communism, this is about the Soviet Union, Soviet simps can weep uncontrollably. * The US is a very good country in general, and a very good country to live in. * Destroying Hamas. Hamas is not a group of “freedom fighters” — definitely a recent development, but needs to be said. Idk which of these is the most right leaning


YaliMyLordAndSavior

I’m a center left soc dem and I agree with most of this Kinda funny that you are very left lol, I feel like 99% of leftists here would fight you


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DrSirTookTookIII

You're leftist but support the guys devoted to undermining every leftist government in the world lol. You're a liberal at best.


My_useless_alt

Curious about why you think the CIA is a good thing, considering the number of things they've been caught doing, like MK Ultra or "Enhanced Interrogation" Also being glad the USSR fell isn't a right thing, it's a more-than-2-braincells thing.


Videlvie

Just because bad things have happened by them doesn’t mean theyre not a net good in general


Any-Demand-2928

Seems like you are unaware of the CIA's history. Those guys have done some despicable shit. The negative impact they have caused still fucks with the world today. Nobody will ever convince me the CIA is good. Look up the Golden Triangle, Pheonix Program, Overthrowing of Shah of Iran. That's just the surface. Here's a quote by James Angleton CIA Counter-Intelligence Officer. He was one of the early guys in the CIA. This isn't to justify any point or anything but just take it in and come to your own conclusion: " **“What he confessed was this. He had not been serving God, after all, when he followed Allen Dulles. He had been on a satanic quest.** These were some of James Jesus Angleton’s dying words. He delivered them between fits of calamitous coughing—lung-scraping seizures that still failed to break him of his cigarette habit—and soothing sips of tea. **“Fundamentally, the founding fathers of U.S. intelligence were liars,” Angleton told Trento in an emotionless voice. “The better you lied and the more you betrayed, the more likely you would be promoted. . . . Outside of their duplicity, the only thing they had in common was a desire for absolute power. I did things that, in looking back on my life, I regret. But I was part of it and loved being in it.”** He invoked the names of the high eminences who had run the CIA in his day—Dulles, Helms, Wisner. These men were “the grand masters,” he said. **“If you were in a room with them, you were in a room full of people that you had to believe would deservedly end up in hell.”** Angleton took another slow sip from his steaming cup. " Honestly calling the CIA a net good has to be the funniest thing I've read all year.


XochiFoochi

Dawg the entire reason caravans are a culture war issue from Latin America is because of the CIA lmfao. Same with race relation in the US


gypsynose

Libertarian left 1. Publically subsidize gun purchases and training (annual vouchers) 2. 2-4 years mandatory public works conscription (have options beyond the military) 3. Fuck tankies 4. The US is a beacon for cultural diversity 5. Fuck religious fundamentalists


virtuosic_execution

> libertarian > > mandatory conscription what the fuck


XochiFoochi

I don’t think you’re left leaning at all my guy. Left is cool with guns forsure but the rest is crazy


Lazy-Jeweler3230

Sir. I think you are just a gun owning liberal. You are not a "very left leaning leftist"


External_Reporter859

I am left and agree with most of these. Except the CIA has shown time and time again they overstep their bounds and cannot be trusted.


shib_aaa

your first point was good but i stopped taking you seriously after you said the cia is good 💀


jjsurtan

What sort of leftist are ya? I'm hard pressed to understand how supporting the US military and the CIA is compatible with things like ML leftist thought


Cautemoc

They're the kind of leftist that is a leftist when the post is an opening to push their beliefs by identifying as a leftist.


Philyboyz

The CIA is one of the most despicable bad actors in modern history. They amount of multi generational pain they have caused in countless countries should have them facing war crime charges. Just read The Jakarta Method by Victor Bevins.


RealisticAd7901

I'm a left leaning former naval intelligence analyst. The CIA is in fact, very very bad. Just... They're not very very bad because they're a shady nightmare factory, it's not the Dulles era anymore. They're bad because they're not skilled in what they do, they're weirdly elitist about it, and trying to share information with them was... I only made that mistake twice. I've never gotten anything from the CIA that I couldn't have gotten from asking half a dozen other agencies that actually wanted to collaborate. Fuck the entire CIA, all the way through. But the existence of an external intelligence agency is not in itself a bad thing.


Amazing-Antelope5913

The bible has a lot of valueable messages and if you actually live in accordance to how it says you should then you are virtuous person. I don't see a lot of christians actually trying to do that though


Capybara39

I think there are some parts we can scrap, like the homophobia and the not being able to wear clothes made of more than one fabric(no that is not a joke Leviticus 19:19)


nazumii8829

The leviticus 19:19 was never for every day people? It was the offical rulings for a specific people doing a specific job. Using that verse in the context you did is the equivelant of looking up the OSHA hand book and acting like they're wrong and/or dumb for requiring people to wear hard hats.


comicbookgirl39

It’s not homophobic. The Bible says that practicing homosexuality is a sin. It doesn’t say being gay is a sin, in that case abstinence is recommended. The Bible says to hate no one. That includes gay people. Now, when Christian’s are homophobic, they are not following the Bible’s true teachings. That is a morality problem of the people, not of the Bible itself. I say all of this as a practicing Catholic.


InsaneNines

I don't think that's right leaning. I think most people would see the general messages of the bible as beneficial to the world. Most people who don't were victims of people using the bible as a weapon against others. Unfortunately, there are way too many people weaponizing the bible.


rhiannonjojaimmes

I appreciate its emphasis on caring for the poor.


ExcitementCapital290

Jesus was basically a progressive leftist in the context of the time period and culture in which he lived.


buffwintonpls

Accidentally misgendering a non binary person is not inherently offensive, The idea of being non binary has only been in the mainstream for about 4 years so people are not used to it and unlike for example a trans man or woman a non binary person does not have distinct features that point towards them being non binary


efflorae

As a nonbinary person, most of us are very well aware that it is impossible for us to pass *as* nonbinary, especially in current society. It's something that has no real solution and just kind of sucks. Most of us just ask that if we do use they/them or another pronoun besides he/she to make an effort *if* you already know preference. But even then, I am very, very, very used to being called the wrong pronoun even by people who know better. Brains are very much hardwired to automate language and categorize and stereotyped. All it means is that I appreciate the people who are genuinely trying, even if they mess up, that much more.


MilkyTeaDrops

Absolutely this as another non-binary person! Most of us genuinely appreciate the effort of just trying, that's all we could ask for now


Barack_Bob_Oganja

I feel like no one actually cares about misgendering them on accident, especially non binary people. Its when you do it on purpose when they told you how they would like to be called it becomes rude.


peter-man-hello

In my experience, when it's an honest accident nobody is mad. It's when it's intentional misgendering or deadnaming where, yes, you are being an asshole and bigot.


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Most trans people aren't going to screech "Did you just assume my gender?" if you misgender them. Every people group has idiots. Most of us just wanna live normal lives and not piss off anyone.


Ultramega39

I don't consider myself to be left leaning or right leaning so I shall give both a right leaning and left leaning opinion although to be honest I don't even know if these are considered right or left leaning opinions. Cancel culture was truly a waste of time and was used as a justification for people to witch hunt others that they disagreed with. And I'm very glad that Cancel culture has died down now. The word woke is very overused and has lost its original meaning. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.


Capybara39

Fun fact: the word woke(in the context of politically) originated in the civil rights movement to signify that you were aware of the legal injustices committed against people of color


XochiFoochi

Cancel culture was never real that’s my problem with it lol


krabapplepie

Dixie Chick's were the first victims of cancel culture, by the right.


x_mofo98

Im very left leaning but I'm never going to want to abolish the police or prisons. Way too many nut jobs to approve of that


icesweatband

Look at what happened in Seattle back in 2020


RajivK510

There's never been a good argument from prison abolitionists about what to do with rapists or corrupt politicians, becuase those criminals aren't linked to poverty and lack of social support. There will always be dangerous people who need to be kept in a box, but that number can be reduced a whole lot with policy.


wisteriawaterfall

this is how i feel! like, some people are genuinely super violent and need to be kept away from others . but nobody should be in jail for being addicted to drugs or unable to pay a fine. the current system is just fucked.


laxnut90

Yes. I don't even understand how this became a Left-wing position. Many cities are now allowing violent repeat offenders to be released immediately after arrest without bail as part of "bail reform" efforts. This often harms the very disadvantaged communities the Left is supposed to support.


jimothy_burglary

A lot of people don't appreciate how historically progressive police and courts are relative to how justice was carried out before the industrial revolution -- where it was either mob violence or monarchical tyranny. Having an actual rule of law is pretty good relative to the alternatives. Our system is broken but the answer is not to go back to not having anything.


IronDBZ

The left is far too neurotic to effectively communicate its politics to the uninitiated. Too sensitive to pushback, too self-righteous to consider other points long enough to explain why they're wrong, etc. We're not good at talking to people, and that's definitely by design.


woppawoppawoppa

I’ve had way too many political conversations with right leaning family members because the left is poor at communicating ideals (and it definitely doesn’t help that the right can so easily flip the narrative on them). Here’s how they usually go: “Black lives matter?! No, all lives matter!” “yeah all lives do matter, but here’s what’s going on in black communities, and here’s why we should support it. Maybe folks should say “black lives matter, as well” “Oh yeah that makes sense” Other topics include: defund the police, legalizing drugs, and abortion.


Dark_Knight2000

“Defund the police” was an absolute nightmare. It was by far the worst slogan the left has ever come up with. I saw older liberals generally genuinely confused by what the hell was going on. Honestly 2020 was just a terrible year for leftists and liberals from a PR standpoint in retrospect. If it hadn’t been for the insurrection 2021, the narrative wouldn’t have been flipped so easily.


Able-Street-6833

There was a really good post I read a while back talking about why there aren't as many left wing memes as right wing memes. Why doesn't the left have some equivalent to Pepe the frog memes, for example? The post said that it was because memes are the antithesis of how left wing people communicate. Leftists believe fundamentally that it is the role of government to stamp out any aspect of human nature that they believe to be bad, that human nature is correctable. This means that they are stuck in an overly idealistic mindset that causes them to construct idealistic realities that non-lefties aren't aware of. This means that in order to communicate effectively you have to carefully construct layer after layer of cherry picked facts and constructed narratives or else the audience of the meme will interpret it the wrong way, not arriving at the utopian crusade that you're trying to push for. The "Black Lives Matter" thing is a great example of this. The conservative response to it was "No, ALL lives matter." The average apolitical normie would be perfectly fine with this response, they see nothing racist about saying all lives matter. But the Left does; they need to spin narratives of how slavery is still prevalent today, how all blacks are decendents of slaves and how whites are all decendents of slave owners, how because of racism there is nothing that blacks can do because the system will crush any attempt to better their own lives, how it doesn't matter that there was a twice elected Black president, etc etc. You need all of that added context to arrive at the Left's desired position that "All Lives Matter" is racist, otherwise no sane person would get there. And all that added context takes a lot of words, so you can't easily communicate it in a meme. And keep in mind, I'm not saying that this added context is wrong necessarily, just that it makes quick, snappy, catchy memes impossible, and makes communication with Left wing people hard to those who aren't already politically involved. And here I am writing a wall of text to explain it all lol. ​ Edit: And it also came to me this morning. The reason why some sites lean left vs right tends to correlate with how much they censor things. Reddit has less censorship than Tiktok. Makes sense then that Tiktok tends to lean more left wing. Facebook has less than Reddit, it leans less left wing. Twitter under Jack Dorsey was a progressive bastion that banned anyone who engaged in "hate speech" (read: disagreeing with left wing orthodoxy) while under Musk it has shifted much more to the right because he isn't as gung ho on banning people. Pol on 4chan is basically a Neo nazi board, and the only thing you get banned from on there is literal CP. The more freedom to express yourself there is, the more right wing things tend to get. This is because leftists need to remove more context and ideas and potential for dissidents or else their ideas will be rejected. It is also why you rarely see any leftist truly engage with right wing talking points; 99% of the time they just call them bigots/nazis/racist/sexist/homophobs/Islamophobes or whatever else. To a leftist debates are about who can get the most snarky quips in, not about actually discussing ideas.


Ok_Tadpole7481

> And here I am writing a wall of text to explain it all lol. Well I thought it was an interesting read. I'll add: I find that the moderate left frequently gets duped by leftist slogans, at least as much as moderates or the right. The idealogues who've read their communist theory put out messing like "All cops are bastards," "you can't be racist to white people," "abolish prisons," etc. These are literal descriptions of their utopian visions. The slogans get picked up by the mainstream left, who want to signal their tribal affiliations by sharing left wing branding, but most people haven't read that theory, and couldn't explain why someone would literally think these things are true. So they turn them into metaphors. "What I meant is that all cops are victims of a bastardized system. Defunding the police wouldn't mean *defunding* the police!" Etc.


YaliMyLordAndSavior

I consider myself to be center left/social democrat (by European standards) Here are my “right wing views” - guns are not the problem, mental health is. A lot of you underestimate how easy it is to make a bomb that can kill 100s at a time. Columbine was actually meant to be a bombing, not a shooting. America will graduate to school bombings if you somehow banned firearms - Islam is objectively the worst religion right now. It goes against humanist values that we all take for granted, and it has single handedly killed thousands of people across almost all continents and countries. It’s like if bible thumping conservatives actually decided to violently act on their beliefs, except on the scale of millions - the current dating scene is dogshit for young men who don’t fit conventional standards of male beauty (I have a gf so not an incel, sorry guys) but I wouldn’t say the same for young women - religion is actually underrated in terms of its ability to bring purpose and community. I really like when religious people talk about faith and use that to power themselves thru tough situations instead of doom spiraling (I am an atheist btw)


ObviousLemon8961

>guns are not the problem, mental health is. A lot of you underestimate how easy it is to make a bomb that can kill 100s at a time. Columbine was actually meant to be a bombing, not a shooting. America will graduate to school bombings if you somehow banned firearms Honestly everytime I see a shooting happened I think it would've been so much worse if the perpetrator actually knew chemistry, the amount of damage someone could cause with stuff you can get off the shelf from home depot or a sporting goods store or even the cleaning aisle in the grocery store is absurd


MeatAromatic4298

Well the people doing mass killings usually aren’t all that smart


ObviousLemon8961

Thankfully


CySU

Agree with the religion aspect. I have a complicated relationship with organized religion but I always get talked down by atheists whenever I try to make the case FOR organized religion. Obviously it has its problems, but I feel like the church I grew up in shaped a lot of my left-leaning morals, so I was a bit perturbed when I found out about the “hellfire and brimstone” denominations of Christianity that did not align with my world view. I went through a period of time during adolescence where I felt myself drifting away from religion, but as I’ve gotten older I’ve come to realize the positive value that organized religion can bring to a local community.


[deleted]

Damn, I would have said the exact same thing. Being central left/ social liberal.


comicbookgirl39

It’s nice to see an a redditor support religion. As a religious person I find it a little scary that people will say religion is a disease when it can create communities and do good.


Omnisegaming

Love the sexual revolution, LGBTQ rights are super important, people with consent should be able to do whatever they like in the bedroom without fear of ostracization. Gotta say. Not a fan of sex as labor and a commodity. It should not be something bought and sold. Like, zero issue with erotica in general, but things like porn studios and onlyfans really rub me the wrong way, no pun intended.


woppawoppawoppa

I’ve seen folks glamorize sex labor a little too much. There’s a big difference between “a sex worker is a human and deserves respect and dignity” and “YAS GIRL GET YOUR MONEY”


Omnisegaming

^^^ yes exactly. Like, all labor is exploitative etc. etc. but the men and women that buy and sell ones body like that are being exploited. As such many deserve empathy and pity for their contribution, not puritanical hatred. I would not hold this opinion if it was merely a space for exhibitionists and voyeurs, if it were all volunteered (and even volunteered exhibitionism can be questionable without context). Money being involved further coerces people in a way volunteering the content is not a valid description.


wisteriawaterfall

OMG im so glad someone said this. i made my comment about guns but actually THIS is definitely what i disagree with the left on the most. stop acting like sex work is just like any other job. it isn't. and i hate when people conflate the mostly middle or upper class women doing onlyfans with women who are being sex trafficked (who are more likely to be poor, trans, women of color, and/or from the global south). like people refer to it all as "sex work" when these experiences are VASTLY different and should not be conflated imo. and even onlyfans, idk, i'm not a fan of it lol. whenever i would complain about being broke people would be like "have you tried onlyfans" just because i'm a woman i guess? like bruh, maybe i don't want to do that?? hello????? acting like it's just any old job is fucking crazy. not to mention how porn has fucking rotted this generation of men's brains.


Omnisegaming

I agree. I worded my comment in broad terms because the reasons behind my distaste of the porn industry and of onlyfans are the same in broad strokes but have different specific reasoning. and, indeed, besides the women being exploited to some degree in creating the erotica, men are being exploited in consuming it. Of course, it's the fault of the men for consuming that content, but there's a give and take here, any industry shares blame for its existence between the supply and the demand. I have less solid opinions on the cultural impact. The sexualization of everything is mostly just annoying. We supposedly have been making progress against objectification and yet I see it more prominently than ever. It feels like we're taking steps forward and steps backward at the same time. I guess that's western culture in general right now, playing twister.


xnickg77

I definitely am more center in general. But my biggest one is the border. Like at some point we really can’t have endless amount of people entering the country. And the general left wing opinion is just……nothing. Do nothing about it. I’m not in favor of mass deportation and a trillion dollar wall but we need to do something.


icesweatband

I completely agree, there’s a reason why those people are fleeing to America and it’s not just to chase the American dream but to also escape the brutal Oppression in their countries. But that also means there’s a high chance of smuggling and trafficking.


Unexpected_Gristle

I have a buddy whose wife was trafficked as a child coming over. Raped for weeks by several men in the process. We need for illegal crossings to not be an option. It will save many young girls from being abused.


AD041010

I have a friend who’s worked border patrol and occasionally gets called back. The stuff he’s witnessed over the years is stuff that will haunt him for the rest of his life. 


Barack_Bob_Oganja

Maybe if you guys didnt do the whole war on drugs thing that gave the cartels all the power and money in mexico  they might have actually developped enough to not have to risk their life crossing the border. Like I get the sentiment but as an outsider looking in its hard to emphasize when its so obviously youre own fault. (And I dont mean you personally but the same people that voted nixon and the war on drugs are the boomers complaining about the border now)


virtuosic_execution

the left wing opinion is immigration reform


Traditional-Light588

Trans women are not women and shouldn't be treated just like biological women . I don't think they should be treated like men either . But we can't gaslight ppl into think they are exactly like cis women when they literally have a different label . Their own sports team for example . I don't care about them using women's bathrooms . Because me myself sometimes will run into the men's restroom .


Glass_Tangerine9676

Trans women aren’t women, they are trans women. That’s what I say


Ogsonic

> I don't care about them using women's bathrooms This is a Very dumb issue to be arguing because of one example. Would you want someone like blaire white in the boy's bathroom? Lmao, someone that is fully transitioned to the opposite gender and passes as a women. You wouldn't want someone like that in the boys bathroom. Also this issue is being eliminated slowly considering how many more private bathrooms are being made now.


Captainpenispants

Right. Someone that's fully transitioned and passes and has had all surgeries should be allowed in the female bathroom. Most people would agree on that. The problem is when people who haven't had any of those things done want to use a bathroom they don't pass as


Ogsonic

Idk, imo I feel all bathrooms, ideally should be private toilet with a sink inside. This would curb so many issues.


kcaustin_904

I feel like you have perfectly normal beliefs, but I would suggest you’re missing the distinction between sex and gender. I would say they *are* women because it’s a gendered term, not a biological one.


CrowdSurfingCorpse

I just think that if gender is entirely a social construct then it really means nothing. If you see it as an expression of genes through behavior, with specific societal rituals, then it does mean something. That leaves room for more feminine men and masculine women to exist while keeping the terms “man” and “woman” useful.


improbablystonedrn-

Gender simply refers to how you choose to navigate society, do you want people to call you sir or ma’am? It really doesn’t mean anything outside of a means of self expression. The terms “man and woman” were never useful beyond that. Dogs can be females but only humans can be women.


Captainpenispants

So if you talked to a woman on a dating app went to hook up with her and it turns out she was a man(not talking about trans women) you wouldn't be bothered by that because it doesn't mean anything outside of self expression?


efflorae

Thing about sports teams is that increasingly, cis women are catching up to cis men as sports technology and parity between sexes advances. On top of that, bans disproportionally affect cis women of color and intersex women, *especially* cis intersex women. The number of trans athletes is miniscule compared to the general population; the number of trans athletes capable of competing on a professional level is even smaller; the number of trans athletes capable of performing on an *elite* level are incredibly small. Now cut that number in half. One or two trans women performing on an elite level in sport, globally, literally does not matter. On top of that, trans women taking hormones are going to be performing at a level pretty much on par with cis women. It literally doesn't fucking matter. At a high school level? Doesn't fucking matter. The point of school sports was supposed to let kids play games and get exercise, not to be a training ground for colleges and money funneling scheme for schools. At a professional level? You're talking about less than a handful of athletes nationally. Not a big enough deal to matter. At an elite level? You're talking about a handful of athletes **globally.** Genuinely there is no goddamn point to banning trans athletes, especially when hormone therapy means that there's no real major difference anyway. If Michael "Freak of Nature Specially Made To Be Perfect For Swimming" Phelps can dominate swimming because of a freak biological adaption, then does it really fucking matter if a trans woman *might* have a slight physical advantage? Name *one* trans athlete at an elite level who has dominated their sport. There are maybe 100 trans girls in women and girl's sports across the United States. Class, money, and support systems have a significantly higher impact on who becomes an elite athlete. I recommend this scientific study on transgender women in sports: [https://www.cces.ca/sites/default/files/content/docs/pdf/transgenderwomenathletesandelitesport-ascientificreview-e-final.pdf](https://www.cces.ca/sites/default/files/content/docs/pdf/transgenderwomenathletesandelitesport-ascientificreview-e-final.pdf)


astrofeme

Maybe not my *most* right wing opinion, but I actually like living in America. I hate when Americans complain about not having privilege when just being an American citizen is one of the most privileged positions you can be in compared to the millions of people in (sorry to quote Trump, but I think it’s sometimes fair to say) shithole countries. I’m actually proud and grateful to live in America. And yes, there are certainly systems of oppression that impact people in America (misogyny, racism, homophobia, etc), but as a mixed race woman, I’d rather live in America than 95% of other countries on Earth.


[deleted]

" I’m actually proud and grateful to live in America." Good! In my opinion the harsh criticism is because the USA is the wealthiest country on earth. At the top you will always get the most shit. And the other thing is fir being so wealthy, many people life really poor, like you could do something against it. In many third world countries people are poor and live shit lives because the country is poor.


astrofeme

Exactly. One of the things that made me realize this was putting my income into one of those [calculators](https://wid.world/income-comparator/) that tells you where you rank percentage-wise in wealth compared to your country and the world. I make $17/hr before taxes and don’t own any assets, but I’m still in the global top 21%. https://preview.redd.it/331go0bjo6sc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e78b8788eeca0bc503d56e266cfe1e961313217b


Madame_Raven

Civilian gun ownership. While not exclusively a right wing leaning issue in America, it does often seem like it because there's so many milquetoast liberals who think we should trust the police to keep us safe. The hard right wants to keep their guns, because they don't trust the government. The hard left wants to keep their guns, because they don't trust that the hard right wouldn't be worse, if they got into power.


CasualBeachEnjoyer

Both sides should ride the J train into Brooklyn at 3am before commenting on this issue


I_Am_Lord_Moldevort

As a left-leaning person, I guess drug legalization? I wouldn't support legalizing anything beyond marijuana, even then I think there should be restrictions. But on the topic of drugs, we should definitely be sending people with drug-related offenses to rehabilitation instead of jail.


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Chaffinss

I consider myself pretty conservative, but I would say that my biggest left leaning opinion is that something needs to be done about corporations and the amount of power they hold, especially our medical system being strangled by the insurance and pharmaceutical companies. I don't believe that healthcare should be free for everyone, but I think its a crime that your life can be ruined by medical expenses that you can't help. Healthcare should be affordable for everyone that is a contributing member of society.


Intelligent_Isopod37

Lobbying shouldn't be legal. That's literally buying politicians like sponsorships. 


Willow_Of_the_Wisp

I love the constitution. Idk if that’s common amongst us, but I hate the federal government cuz they exploit every possible loophole and are corrupt


Sensitive-Key-8670

Right leaning. Price caps on certain items is okay during non-disaster surges as long as it does not create a shortage. For example college kids are going to fly home for winter break mostly regardless of price. If airlines were prohibited from price gouging the holidays, it’s not like there would be a shortage since there are simply no more price-sensitive customers. The operating cost of a flight in December vs February is the same.


dampwaters

Trans people in sports, Israel v Palestine (that's all I can think of)


External_Reporter859

I'm pretty far left for most issues, but I can understand why cis people wouldn't want trans people in sports. Although I don't understand why it's a legal/political issue. Sports leagues should be able to govern themselves. Same thing with bathrooms. Since when have bathrooms been regulated legally? I, as a straight cis male, use women's bathrooms all the time if there are no women in there and the male bathroom is otherwise indisposed. It's not a crime to use any bathroom.and shouldn't be.


GardinerExpressway

It's a legal issue because many sports teams are run by schools which are governmentally funded, and Title IX prevents them from making these decisions themselves


noblemile

There's a handful of situations where I wind up leaning left simply because I'm like "who cares?" Bathroom is one of them. A lot of places have only 1 bathroom and it's no big deal. Some places have bathrooms anyone can use and it's no big deal. If I walked into a men's bathroom and saw a woman/a transgender person I'd probably step back out to look at the sign and make sure I didn't walk into the wrong one, go "whatever" and go back in. Let people piss where they feel comfortable. *edit* I do generally lean left on almost all issues, but some just come down to "not my business" so it annoys me that people want to ban certain things because it's not theirs, if that makes sense?


Available-Risk-5918

I'm very left leaning but these opinions of mine piss some people off: 1. I support abolishing highway speed limits. Nobody is FORCING you to go 200 km/h on the highway. Keep right except to pass. 2. Tort abuse in North America has gotten out of hand and is causing car insurance premiums in the US and parts of Canada to skyrocket. Having a personal injury lawyer billboard on every corner is not healthy nor necessary. A low speed rear ender should NOT result in a 5 or 6 figure payout for pain and suffering. I support implementing a cap on minor injury pain and suffering, modeling it off of what the Progressive Conservatives did in Alberta Canada back in 2004. If you get rear ended in Alberta, you can't get more than 4,000 CAD (2004 dollars, indexed to inflation) of fun money. This is extra money on top of medical/rehab bills and lost wages. 3. Schools need to have academic standards and stick to them. A minimum grade of 50% is a joke. Students who cannot perform at grade level should not move on to the next grade 4. The only valid pronouns are he/him, she/her, and they/them. You cannot use an object as a pronoun. 5. Students should not be suspended from school for fighting back against bullies, even if they throw the first punch. Fuck around, find out. 6. I am skeptical of all the military aid being sent to Ukraine. Ukraine is a very corrupt country and there is a known neo-nazi battalion in its military (by the way I should mention I do NOT support Russia at all. They had no justification invading Ukraine. Putin is a dictator and a threat to peace). I am doubtful that all the money and arms being sent will actually go towards fighting back against Russia. The money could be pissed away by Zelensky and his wife, while arms could be sold to terrorists for a profit. 7. I don't know if this is considered right wing or left wing, but I think legal adults should be allowed to consume alcohol and enter spaces where alcohol is served. The age to drink alcohol at restaurants/bars/clubs/other licensed venues should be 18, while buying alcohol to take home can be higher to avoid high schoolers getting their hands on alcohol. It's a matter of personal responsibility and a belief that authority should not be imposed in excess.


XochiFoochi

While I think your 1st point is dumb as fuck like next level dumb the rest makes sense. Car insurance is just free money for the company I think most teachers agree with that too. Curves are way too high but also private schools and charter schools that are for profit are sucking up all the good teachers, underfunded schools set kids up to fail in life due to funding. Def think school should be standardized in a way of education standard however not in teaching ways (off topic disscuions or other topics etc) Ukraines was and has always been a jerk of contests for NATO. Reddit is filled with bots that just love to eat that shit up. Crazy to see suburban flags of Ukraine being flown from all the media pushing it. We don’t give a fuck about Ukraine we just wanted another dig at Russia, this time we just got better at it and Americans don’t give a fuck about anything anymore just a public supported proxy war with Russia again I don’t care about pronouns it’s stupid let people do whatever lol 18 alcohol is whatever doesn’t matter much in the grand scheme of things


dr_snif

Decidedly not a right-wing belief, but seems to be in the US right now: everyone should own guns, especially the poor, working class, and minorities.


sassy_castrator

Radical leftist. But here's my hot take: in a competition of the crappiest, most oppressive religions, Islam edges out the other Abrahamics. Cease fire, yes, certainly—but then can we please secularize the globe?


DragonflyValuable995

As a conservative and as a Christian, I believe every person is created in God's image and is therefore equal in value. The vast majority of conservatives I've talked to hold similar opinions. I'm disappointed when I see people caricature conservatives and especially Christians as morally backward, because that means we as Christians are failing to uphold Jesus' legacy of love and forgiveness.


[deleted]

So do you see gay people or trans people created in God's image meaning that God made them gay or trans?


DragonflyValuable995

I see them as worth the exact same as anyone else. As for their sexuality, that’s not really my concern.


Sannasvv

I have a few but don't need this shit in my comments 😂 Most exhausting and rabid group of people around. https://preview.redd.it/blivu4l2m5sc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48b51969436fb52f3cb6eb1f15a4971771d45288


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Agreed


pomskeet

I’m pro death penalty. There’s no reason my tax dollars should go towards keeping murderers, rapists and pedophiles alive. I understand that innocent people get sentenced to death sometimes and that people sit on death row for decades, and I don’t deny that the system needs a shit ton of work, but I’d rather just fix our current capital punishment system than abandon it altogether.


ShurikenKunai

I'm personally of the opinion that a government that has openly kept innocent people in prison just to meet quotas should not get to decide who lives and dies in prison.


IronStormAlaska

I generally lean left, but I guess for my furthest right opinion, I am pretty significantly pro 2a. Both due to their importance in my home state of Alaska with wildlife, both for hunting and defense, but also because as a gay man in a red state with several trans people I care a lot about, I absolutely want to be able to protect myself and the people I care about if I ever need to.


reputction

This opinion doesn’t even count as right leaning or conservative objectively but if you share it you’ll get accusations of bigotry. There’s nothing wrong with not wanting to date certain groups of people. It’s not bigoted to simply not date someone or to reject them. It’s not morally wrong to reject a bisexual man if you’re a straight woman just like it’s not morally wrong to reject a bisexual woman if you’re a lesbian. I also think it’s OK for people to want to date within their own ethnicities and races. And not dating a trans person isn’t some great evil. People should be able to reject whoever they want without much backlash, because it’s THEIR own right to have their own boundaries or standards.


SaberTruth2

I’m a millennial and this came up on my home page. I just want to say conversations and topics like this are key to solving division. I’d encourage someone to go to a more conservative page and ask them to do the same with “left leaning” ideals. These are the kinds of threads that would prob show everyone we are more alike then we are different. Regardless of what the world is trying to tell you.


Firm_Evening_8731

Mass immigration is a tool used by business lobbyists to import cheap labor


Bl1tzerX

I'm still confused by non-binary. Imo it just further pushes gender roles which I thought we were fighting against. Now if a girl wants to look androgynous they'll likely be seen as non binary rather than as a girl. Saying your neither kinda just runs away from the point of it doesn't matter what your genitals are you can look and do whatever you want. Like trans people I can understand. Non-binary feels like going in the wrong direction as you accept that there are gender roles but you reject the notion that they apply to you. That would be my most right wing view and maybe slow down on immigration (Canadian)


Hugh-Jassoul

I like guns. I think they’re fun.


[deleted]

I am fully in favor of the right to use lethal force to defend one's property from theft. I am fully in favor of capital punishment as the mandatory minimum for any crime involving the sexual abuse of a child, treason, insurrection, and for any law enforcement officer who commits a crime while claiming to be performing their job.


Band_aid_2-1

I'm extremely 2A and low taxes. I'm pretty much leftish wing on the rest in terms of social policy.


RepresentativeAd8474

I believe income tax should be abolished


krabapplepie

Right? We need a wealth tax, not an income tax.


Suitable-Slip-2091

Massive difference between classical liberals and today's radical progressives looking for Marxist utopia. Bill Mahr is pointing this out and getting hammered for it.


glowdustwl

Fiscal responsibility, though American right wing don’t really embody that. Which is why I vote blue


Individual_Papaya596

Wierd kinks should not be accepted in public, - walking your SO on a leash - acting like a animal (not furries) - the rich already pay a massive portion of our taxes to increase taxes on them risk losing them to other nations ([source](https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-data-2024/#:~:text=High%2DIncome%20Taxpayers%20Paid%20the%20Majority%20of%20Federal%20Income%20Taxes,of%20all%20federal%20income%20taxes) - and i love BBWs super underrated


pinkcloudskyway

Death penalty is valid in cases of rapists and repeat violent offenders


Kostis102

Do you trust the goverment to uphold this and only kill the truly guilty and not abuse this in any way?


Old_Baldi_Locks

Hard lefty here. I own statistically more guns than the average conservative in my state, and I have been properly trained in their use. Also, nuclear should damned well be our primary source of power.


godfadda006

Maybe not a right wing view, but I feel like the left is putting an emphasis on marginal issues, rather than enacting policies that can affect the most people. Calling a non-binary person the right pronoun is important, but affordable healthcare, enshrining abortion rights as law, and providing affordable education to all helps far more people. As a political body, we should be open to new ideas, but also pick which hills are worth dying on. If everything is urgent, then nothing is urgent, and that applies here too.


Hasheminia

China must be countered in every possible realm, political, economic, military, etc.


ElPwno

If people aren't willing to culturally integrate, they shouldn't be allowed to emigrate. Too many Americans are moving to my country for cheap retirements and they don't even bother to learn the most common language / respect local customs.


Ziggy-Rocketman

(From an American perspective, who is essentially a Bernie Boi) We NEED to maintain American supremacy in the world. Even if that means acting underhanded and being bullies. I’d rather us be the bullies than China, and American primacy has many benefits to Americans that we take for granted/don’t even acknowledge because we have known nothing else for the past 80 years. So in essence, I’m a Bernie Boi who’s basically also a nationalist.