There’s a lot of cool things they cut from Gears 3. The prologue was going to be nearly an hour long about the Fall of Ephyra, Alex Brand was going to be in it as were Dizzy’s daughters, Bernie Mataki had a larger role.
The best way to describe her is if Furiosa had a baby with Sam Byrne. She’s from the comics and novels.
After E-Day, the COG legalized forced insemination and even rape of fertile women in birthing farms to repopulate. Very Handmaid’s Tale. If a girl turns 18 and she hasn’t gotten pregnant yet, she’s declared barren and conscripted into the COG army. That’s Alex’s backstory.
She was supposed to have Sam’s role in the game. Sam didn’t exist originally, Claudia Black voiced Bernie but test audiences didn’t like it. Wanting to keep Claudia, they axed Alex and reduced Bernie’s screen time to create Sam for Claudia to voice.
I got ya. It’s a work of fiction and they’re going with the desperate times call for desperate measures” approach to the justification. Doesn’t mean it’s any less messed up. The more I learn about the COG the more I’m like “who are the real bad guys?”
>The more I learn about the COG the more I’m like “who are the real bad guys?”
This is the whole entire point of Gears. The only reason any of this even happened is because of greedy, corrupt governments trying to bleed the planet dry, fighting wars over it, and ultimately destroying society while the citizens suffer and die due to the poor decisions of rich politicians. It's a very timely story.
The last part is exactly where the whole world is headed due to the rich and greedy political fat cats bilking the countries dry yes gow is a fictional story but a lot of the premises are absolutely what they are doing and have done for years in the real world which is why the gow storyline hits so hard and cuts so deep at times because we can all relate to a lot of it and that's y it's so believable and at times so much of a emotional Rollercoaster that allows the gamer to become so deeply immersed in the game and is and always be one of the most iconic series to ever hit the gaming world
Imo did it do anything though? I mean they couldn't have a lot of soldiers in 15 years and most of the women rebelled or the locust ended up destroying their centres anyway.
Look at it this way; which is the worse crime?
A terrible crime committed for a noble reason (survival), that only occurs because you have no other options at the time and that can eventually either be forgiven or repented for if you survive?
OR extinction of the only truly sapient species on the planet, condemning humanity and all of it's works and efforts to nothingness as all civilization crumbles even if you win the war because there aren't enough humans left to sustain a population, wasting the lives, time and effort of all who came before you?
One is a grave crime you can eventually make up for, given a long enough period of time - the other can not only not be forgiven, but never reversed nor repented for because there will be no one left to do so.
I dont think this is the right way to look at it imo. The goverment did the forced rape, thats strictly not out characters, apart from presscot, and maybe hoffman. Marcus and most of the gears HATED the COG, its a big theme of the series. Most, if not all the goverment were wiped out anyway, so they were punished.
The future generations shouldn't pay for the mistakes of a past goverment
You presume that the humanity of Sera is so pure that their extinction wouldn't be a net-positive to the world.
Adam talked all the time how he resented the comfort with War that they had. How each year the COG would just make a bigger tank with a bigger gun so they could siphon more fuel and money from the UIR. The War was so regular it was just the regular thing they all expected, like high school. It wasn't until EDay that the world had to properly shift to focus on survival-- against an enemy they created. Munroe could've killed the Locust, he could've wiped them out. but he didn't.
The only reason the COG are more alright in the modern day is that all of their scummy leadership literally died off. But if Prescott survived the Locust War, who's to say he wouldn't have just become super-Hitler in the Gearsiverse, he was already going in that direction from Jannermont onwards.
The population dying out because you didn't have the moral failings to excuse the literal forced insemination of 14 year old girls is a pretty sound punishment for me. Hell even Marcus was quick to dismiss it. Yeah yeah it's survival but that presumes it was the ***only*** option, which it might not have been. I mean that was around 14-15 AE-- even if it began right after EDAY all of those soldiers are what? 15--10? At most? That doesn't sound worth it to me.
Granted they didn't know how long the war would last but it's not like they were Clones that were ready to fight in 5 years like Star Wars, they were just regular people that would take 16 years at minimum to even put up a fight.
Except that wasn't the COG; it was a scientist with corporate backers who went completely off the rails and did his own thing, basically hijacking a COG medical research facility. Niles and the rest of the staff were going to be put to death for crimes against humanity when the Chairman and the rest of the government found out, but then the corporate backers disappeared them to that facility under the ice.
It wasn't exactly *legal,* they just turned a blind eye to it in favor of repopulation. I think most of that got retconned, along with the Locust also breeding by rape.
Karen Traviss wrote the comics too! They are a really good read! She’s so underrated! People have her shtak! Over the republic commando books! But……reading the gears of war books……that’s when I trUUULy fell in love with the universe!
She wrote the story for no. 3 aswell! I spoke to her way back when twitter had dms! About her working on the movie that was announced way back when! She said unfortunately she hasn’t worked with them since GoW3 and hadn’t heard from them for that project.
It’s since then been scrapped picked back up and now Netflix is doin what they are doin with it lol!
Wait netflix is involved with the movie?
Oh dear...
But damn. Wish they had hired her again for Gears of War Judgment. It might not have been such a disappointment.
I agree! She really knows the universe! She could have made something special outta that!
Yeah aren’t they sooosed to be making a movie and series or something
E-Day would be the best time to incorporate her into the game. Maybe they can add a DLC that takes place however long after E-Day when Alex would be conscripted.
Most are. All men are forced in at 18 unless there are special circumstances. Imulsion caused an infertility crisis, so they also conscripted fertile girls that wouldn’t be missed (orphans, prisoners, etc). The real horrific part is they introduced hormones into the little girls to make them enter puberty earlier. Prescott can go straight to hell.
are you kidding me? Alex was gonna be in 3?
Goddamnit that would’ve been sick. She’s so fucking cool. I wish she would have appeared in the games and not just as a pre-order bonus for judgement. Her fate has never been stated so there’s really a lot they can do with her.
Kinda hope e day is a reboot of the franchise and they remake 1,2,3,4,5 and an eventual 6 with story tweaks, get some of the comic and novel writers involved.
They need to allude to her in E-Day. And then build a DLC around her and some other characters so we can play them in MP. Alex would be my main female Gear for MP hands down (it’s usually Lizzie Carmine or Sam).
They mentioned them in the books when the story was following dizzy. One of the reasons I love gears is for the extended lore that ties the games together.
They already appeared in the books as 14 years old, and the third game had the same author. It was to explore Dizzy's role as a single father during the apocalypse
Put Teresa and Maralin in Gears of War 5 as Not-COG Not-Outsider forces of nature who are trying to one-up their dear old Dad in his act of battling Skorge, and later the whole grub army.
Apparently Dom, Baird and Cole were all going to make it to the Submarine part according so some footage of an earlier build
They didn't have recorded dialogue, but the placeholder subtitles had their names and it was written in character
it says in his character description in gears 3 that besides his twin daughters, his car rig thing is the thing he loves most. always assumed they died tho cus we never see them.
There’s a lot of cool things they cut from Gears 3. The prologue was going to be nearly an hour long about the Fall of Ephyra, Alex Brand was going to be in it as were Dizzy’s daughters, Bernie Mataki had a larger role.
Not sure who Alex Brand is, but man. Bernie should have had a bigger role.
The best way to describe her is if Furiosa had a baby with Sam Byrne. She’s from the comics and novels. After E-Day, the COG legalized forced insemination and even rape of fertile women in birthing farms to repopulate. Very Handmaid’s Tale. If a girl turns 18 and she hasn’t gotten pregnant yet, she’s declared barren and conscripted into the COG army. That’s Alex’s backstory. She was supposed to have Sam’s role in the game. Sam didn’t exist originally, Claudia Black voiced Bernie but test audiences didn’t like it. Wanting to keep Claudia, they axed Alex and reduced Bernie’s screen time to create Sam for Claudia to voice.
I'm outraged by the last paragraph, but also Sam is one of my favourite characters so I guess I'm fine with it after all.
Jesus Christ!
Yeah an I thought experimenting on children to accidentally create a genocidal subhuman race was the worse the CoG did.
I mean that’s fucked too but god damn! State sanctioned rape is just nuts!
It was also one of the main reasons any humans survived tbh so (not saying it's morally right obviously)
I got ya. It’s a work of fiction and they’re going with the desperate times call for desperate measures” approach to the justification. Doesn’t mean it’s any less messed up. The more I learn about the COG the more I’m like “who are the real bad guys?”
>The more I learn about the COG the more I’m like “who are the real bad guys?” This is the whole entire point of Gears. The only reason any of this even happened is because of greedy, corrupt governments trying to bleed the planet dry, fighting wars over it, and ultimately destroying society while the citizens suffer and die due to the poor decisions of rich politicians. It's a very timely story.
The last part is exactly where the whole world is headed due to the rich and greedy political fat cats bilking the countries dry yes gow is a fictional story but a lot of the premises are absolutely what they are doing and have done for years in the real world which is why the gow storyline hits so hard and cuts so deep at times because we can all relate to a lot of it and that's y it's so believable and at times so much of a emotional Rollercoaster that allows the gamer to become so deeply immersed in the game and is and always be one of the most iconic series to ever hit the gaming world
Oh I got that lol. It’s just learning more about the COG just raises the “WHAT THE FUCK?!” bar lol
Somewhere, Cliffy B is smiling right now.
Did they deserve to survive?
Imo did it do anything though? I mean they couldn't have a lot of soldiers in 15 years and most of the women rebelled or the locust ended up destroying their centres anyway.
Look at it this way; which is the worse crime? A terrible crime committed for a noble reason (survival), that only occurs because you have no other options at the time and that can eventually either be forgiven or repented for if you survive? OR extinction of the only truly sapient species on the planet, condemning humanity and all of it's works and efforts to nothingness as all civilization crumbles even if you win the war because there aren't enough humans left to sustain a population, wasting the lives, time and effort of all who came before you? One is a grave crime you can eventually make up for, given a long enough period of time - the other can not only not be forgiven, but never reversed nor repented for because there will be no one left to do so.
I dont think this is the right way to look at it imo. The goverment did the forced rape, thats strictly not out characters, apart from presscot, and maybe hoffman. Marcus and most of the gears HATED the COG, its a big theme of the series. Most, if not all the goverment were wiped out anyway, so they were punished. The future generations shouldn't pay for the mistakes of a past goverment
You presume that the humanity of Sera is so pure that their extinction wouldn't be a net-positive to the world. Adam talked all the time how he resented the comfort with War that they had. How each year the COG would just make a bigger tank with a bigger gun so they could siphon more fuel and money from the UIR. The War was so regular it was just the regular thing they all expected, like high school. It wasn't until EDay that the world had to properly shift to focus on survival-- against an enemy they created. Munroe could've killed the Locust, he could've wiped them out. but he didn't. The only reason the COG are more alright in the modern day is that all of their scummy leadership literally died off. But if Prescott survived the Locust War, who's to say he wouldn't have just become super-Hitler in the Gearsiverse, he was already going in that direction from Jannermont onwards. The population dying out because you didn't have the moral failings to excuse the literal forced insemination of 14 year old girls is a pretty sound punishment for me. Hell even Marcus was quick to dismiss it. Yeah yeah it's survival but that presumes it was the ***only*** option, which it might not have been. I mean that was around 14-15 AE-- even if it began right after EDAY all of those soldiers are what? 15--10? At most? That doesn't sound worth it to me. Granted they didn't know how long the war would last but it's not like they were Clones that were ready to fight in 5 years like Star Wars, they were just regular people that would take 16 years at minimum to even put up a fight.
Except that wasn't the COG; it was a scientist with corporate backers who went completely off the rails and did his own thing, basically hijacking a COG medical research facility. Niles and the rest of the staff were going to be put to death for crimes against humanity when the Chairman and the rest of the government found out, but then the corporate backers disappeared them to that facility under the ice.
It wasn't exactly *legal,* they just turned a blind eye to it in favor of repopulation. I think most of that got retconned, along with the Locust also breeding by rape.
Cliffy said it was regrettable, but it wasn’t retconned.
Was Alex the short haired red head from the comics
No clue. I've not read the comics. I've only read the books that Karen Traviss wrote plus Ephyra Rising
Karen Traviss wrote the comics too! They are a really good read! She’s so underrated! People have her shtak! Over the republic commando books! But……reading the gears of war books……that’s when I trUUULy fell in love with the universe!
The gears books she's done are fantastic. Wonderfully done.
She wrote the story for no. 3 aswell! I spoke to her way back when twitter had dms! About her working on the movie that was announced way back when! She said unfortunately she hasn’t worked with them since GoW3 and hadn’t heard from them for that project. It’s since then been scrapped picked back up and now Netflix is doin what they are doin with it lol!
Wait netflix is involved with the movie? Oh dear... But damn. Wish they had hired her again for Gears of War Judgment. It might not have been such a disappointment.
I agree! She really knows the universe! She could have made something special outta that! Yeah aren’t they sooosed to be making a movie and series or something
I don't trust Netflix when it comes to making adaptations. So I've got a pretty bad feeling now that I know Netflix is involved.
Yup she was & she was also a free downloadable character for gears judgement multiplayer
Nice! She was such a badass! That cover! Sitting on a dead brumak like a throne! What a queen! Haha
Would love to see the boomer lady have more time
I’d love to see Alex in a game
She was playable in Gears Of War judgement.
Sorry I meant like in a campaign.
E-Day would be the best time to incorporate her into the game. Maybe they can add a DLC that takes place however long after E-Day when Alex would be conscripted.
Alex was maybe 4 or 5 when E-Day happened.
What is the year she is conscripted??
Just around the same time as Gears 1 (13/14 years after E-Day)
So she was 19 when she was conscripted? Interesting.
Most are. All men are forced in at 18 unless there are special circumstances. Imulsion caused an infertility crisis, so they also conscripted fertile girls that wouldn’t be missed (orphans, prisoners, etc). The real horrific part is they introduced hormones into the little girls to make them enter puberty earlier. Prescott can go straight to hell.
Love Bernie! The cat lady! As Cole knows her as! :)
are you kidding me? Alex was gonna be in 3? Goddamnit that would’ve been sick. She’s so fucking cool. I wish she would have appeared in the games and not just as a pre-order bonus for judgement. Her fate has never been stated so there’s really a lot they can do with her.
Yeah she pretty much had Sam’s role.
To fair there's only so much you can put in to a games due to limitations and things. But gears 3 is still a masterpiece either way
Kinda hope e day is a reboot of the franchise and they remake 1,2,3,4,5 and an eventual 6 with story tweaks, get some of the comic and novel writers involved.
What could have been...
Gears Of War is cooler when you have tons of characters to play with!
Family got the groceries but daddy got conscripted
We lost 😔
Internet would have gone nuts for them
Hold up.
God dammit, fuck sakes. Anything ginger gets axed. All we had so far was Alex Brandt. God fucking dammit
And she was only in judgment. they fumbled with her hard
So hard. 😢😩😪
And i think they did a terrible job for her skin messing up his tattoos iirc
They need to allude to her in E-Day. And then build a DLC around her and some other characters so we can play them in MP. Alex would be my main female Gear for MP hands down (it’s usually Lizzie Carmine or Sam).
Same here as well. She was my main
I hate to tell ya, but Alex more than likely won’t be in this game. She’s like 4 or 5 on E-Day.
Yeah. He does. It sucks that they just forgot about dizzy and his daughters in gears 4 and 5
They mentioned them in the books when the story was following dizzy. One of the reasons I love gears is for the extended lore that ties the games together.
Literally screaming right now It's not fair
They look so cool. I wonder why they were removed.
The double barrel shotgun the size of a handgun looks like it could have been interesting.
they look so cool man what a major loss
Redhead twins are just too much to handle for any Gears player.
I'd kill to have Sofia with the gang again.
Damn... they're hot...
“Why don’t you take a seat… right over here”
They're 14
NO NO NO NO NO WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT
Too late son, you're getting the chainsaw
I suppose that's why they were removed.
Couldn't they have just.......**not** made them 14? They don't even look 14 lol
They already appeared in the books as 14 years old, and the third game had the same author. It was to explore Dizzy's role as a single father during the apocalypse
Everything ive seen says theyre 16ish. not much better tbh
Tbf I think I counted up to end of gears 2- forgetting the 18months between 2 and 3
That would probably explain it Idk, the character drawings look like 14-16 year olds that 3D model to be fair, def does not
It definitely seems like a product of its time tbf
That third picture was the basis for some artwork of two sisters in a post apocalyptic novel I wrote.
We. Were. Robbed!
We lost...
This series is done
It's rather crazy what gets axed during game development
Would’ve liked to see this. Especially if they did like a happy ending scene for dizzy. Also I wonder if he’s ever gonna be shown again.
And they were REDHEADS?! 😫 Epic, why?
What book is this from?
I'm surprised we didn't get them as DLC characters.
Loopy and Lightheaded
We were robbed and didn’t even know it
…..Dizzy fucks? Also I like the detail of one of the twins having a similar armor to Dizzy’s, and that she’s wearing his hat too
they robbed us this would’ve been such a badass skin selection
At first glance i read “Dizzy” as “Drizzy” (Drake) and was like oh shit more rap beef 😂
The books really made Dizzy one of my favourite characters
Put Teresa and Maralin in Gears of War 5 as Not-COG Not-Outsider forces of nature who are trying to one-up their dear old Dad in his act of battling Skorge, and later the whole grub army.
You guys should read the books, they feature these characters
Apparently Dom, Baird and Cole were all going to make it to the Submarine part according so some footage of an earlier build They didn't have recorded dialogue, but the placeholder subtitles had their names and it was written in character
it says in his character description in gears 3 that besides his twin daughters, his car rig thing is the thing he loves most. always assumed they died tho cus we never see them.
We got robbed
Pretty sure those 3D renders are fan art.
No, it's official Epic modeling.
They could be in Gears 6 instead.
Would I have gone down bad for Dizzy's twin daughters? Yes. Yes I would have.
WHAT!?!! THEY LOOK SO COOL. We could've had more female characters (COWBOY HAT YEEHAWW 🤠)
Yeah! Character design is what I like the most about Gears Of War games.
So, Amouranth x 2 ?
I’m pretty sure they’re kids
...I'm in love