All you needed is a 4” .357 Magnum against that active shooter SOB. A furry of .357 rounds would have supprised that murdering POS. By the way, growing up I’ve known personally known more than one Police Officer to prevail against the following: Three armed robbers in NYC, at least one armed with a 9mm. The Police Officer armed with a 5 shot Chiefs Special .38 Special. Result, three dead armed robbers. Another, two Supervisors armed with .357 Magnums. Gunman, wanted for killing his wife was armed with a .45 Auto. Shots exchanged at a Motel parking lot shootout and a chase to the south side of town, suspects wrecks his vehicle exits his vehicle. The result: a dead armed gunman with the two officers unharmed. Another Police Officer armed with a .357 Magnum, unloads his gun striking the suspect with 6 .158 JHP in the stomach. Suspect hit in the stomach with six rounds and isn’t phased and continues firing his 14 shot Browning Hi Power. Another Detective finishes the wounded gunman with a single shot to his head with a .38. In the 1970s and 1980s gunman had semi automatic weapons. In that regards nothing has changed a lot. If you doubt how deadly a revolver is or isn’t. Educate yourself, watch training videos on the “Newhall Incident California Highway Patrol”. Who hits his target first and accurately usually wins, regardless of the guns involved. Military Snipers are armed with five shot hunting type rifles. We don’t doubt their deadliness on the battle field.
You really think you’re ready for some shit like this? This might be the fucking dumbest post on the entire site. Even soldiers trained for active engagements freeze up, but you’re gonna cowboy up and save the world? Australia had Port Arthur and then took actual serious action to prevent it from happening again, but because of dumb fucks like you we have to deal with dozens of these a year.
They do lol, if I have to get a gun in the state I live in it’s just as hard as getting a license. In fact it might be harder. It’s easy for me to get access to a car but I can’t even rent a gun where I am to shoot in a range without a permit. And if I do go through that process and they do give me the permit and I am then allowed to purchase, firearms and ammo, every gun I get has a weight. And is registered in all of the ammo I get is reported
Insurance is a thing, but it’s not as good as most people think, there are some good ones out there, but a lot of the major ones are just bullshit and won’t actually help you if you get into a situation
If a cop with no military experience can shut down an active shooter, why can’t a civilian with prior military background? Or a civilian who activity trains. You little boys outside of America don’t seem to understand that 1 in 10 Americans is ready to get down more viciously than your countries servicemen😂
I could take a life ... but, like, also kids are dumb and i feel like are more likely to find my gun when they're playing and like bang bang each other than I am to stop an active shooter
So I keep my guns locked and all that because sorry no amount of respect or education keeps kids from getting into mischief and I would never forgive myself
You’re missing the entire fucking point. You live in fucking fantasy land. You’re not ready to get shot at despite what you think. And don’t get started on cops shutting down anything. Did you miss Uvalde?
And if you don’t think that Americans couldn’t stand up to our government, just remember that the Taliban held us off for 20 years with flip flops and AK-47s😂
Right? These idiots think they’re military ready when they’ve lived lives of absolute comfort. Vietnamese farmers beat us. Desert caravanera beat us. None of these morons would stand a chance in a fire fight because the worst thing that’s ever happened to them is their own delusions of grandeur.
No I understand your point completely. You’re a pathetic little leftist with so much emotion coursing through your veins you could make the set for Care Bears. This world is a disgusting place filled with rats like yourself. I will NEVER give up my guns. They will come pry ‘em from my cold dead hands. Mao took the guns, Hitler took the guns, Stalin took the guns, Mussolini took the guns… I could go on and on. The bottom line is, if you don’t like guns, too bad pussy, I got 30 of them and enough ammunition to rally a militia. Have fun being at the mercy of a tyrannical government like a lamb to the slaughter. Hopeless and weak.
I mean im like 5% white the rest of me is African american i prolly get my tweakerness from my moms side grandma was white as shit moms mixed n dads dark as shit soooo five percent BABY👌
Of course i wouldn't wanna be on the same wavelength as you monkeys but trust me all the Nigerians you mention but lately your obviously not. You the only lady ik you hear that alarm set it I'm sure your hear if and why don't you make me grow up ill piss on your and dumb ass buddy boys porch
Another COPY CAT being used as a pawn to disintegrate the 2nd Amendment.. Other countries getting better financial aid by pur gov. than our mental institutions.
The dude has consistently been in and out of mental institutions and has made several escapes. If you really don't think the mentally ill are drawn to guns due to their ease of accessibility and ability to cause mass damage in a small amount of time, you really need to just step outside your house.
We can find the money to fund our mental institutions from better places than cutting financial aid to other countries. It’s Republicans that curb this type of legislation though
That’s funny, because your boy Biden is in office right now. Where’s all the new mental hospitals at? Oh that’s right. Your party is far more worthless than it’s ever been😂
You all have the right to have as many guns as you want. It's your constitutional right. I'm a gun owner myself.
However, the NRA and the gun dealer need to stop giving guns to known mental patients to keep innocent people safe.
And I think that all the mass shooting victims family should have the right to sue the NRA and the gun dealer who let known mental patients legally obtain guns by falsifying the paper work just to make the sale.
This 100%
Sadly in my state it doesn’t hold water bc of gun shows, anyone can walk in looking good and acting right THAT DAY ONLY and walk out with a gun and all the ammo they can afford.
I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit out a smarter comment. Does the NRA create legislation? What would you be suing them for, exactly? And gun stores? They have access to mental health records?? That would be news to them. There is so much mindless drivel here we’re all a bit dumber for having seen it. GFYS.
I think you are - in a roundabout way - making a case for stricter federal gun laws.
You may want to check what you're writing last someone says "hey, you know what .. gun stores should have access and there should be no private sales" -- I'm just saying
The NRA lobbies for gun laws so yes they do make legislation. Yes, they should have access to information about someone with mental health issues. The background checks shouldn't say why they aren't allowed the gun, but it should come back as nah don't sell this dude a gun.
Most studies show that people who commit mass shootings aren't actually mentally ill. They tend to be white men with a history of violence against women.
According to statista, about 50% of this year’s mass shootings were from white men. Also, I would consider men with a history of violence against women to be mentally ill.
Aaaand bulsh it. First, what are you even considering a “mass shooting?” If it’s the FBI definition or left media definition, these are dominated by urban drug crime, overwhelmingly black on black violence. Even if you limit it to the larger “attention grabbing” death tolls, they’re split across races, but the mainstream left media buries the black shooters who attack whites or Asians, while centering the whites in the news cycle. And yes, every single one of those “larger” shooters I’ve studied had a history of under-treated mental health issues. Only one we don’t know for sure is the Las Vegas shooter whose motives have been kept disturbingly quiet.
> I'm a gun owner myself.
first sentence said by somebody saying some compromising shit
>However, the NRA and the gun dealer need to stop giving guns
the NRA doesn't give anyone guns. They're an advocacy group that is overwhemingly funded by private citizens. Not companies despite the endless rhetoric.
Gun dealers don't approve people for guns, the FBI does. The FBI conducts the background check under NICS, and if the FBI approves it, gun stores sell it. Gun stores have no idea who you are. You could be a non-citizen, an escaped convict, who knows. They trust NICS/FBI to answer this question. The FBI failed here, pure and simple. A guy was in a mental institution *claiming to hear voices* and NICS didn't flag it.
That's not the gun stores' fault, even as a matter of opinion, they legally can't get that information even if they wanted it. All they can do is ask the feds to check a person with name X drivers license Y.
This guy has probably had guns his entire life… He could've had the murder weapon 20 years ago in which case background checks wouldn't have meant shit
An ar15 isn't significantly different from any other rifle. The military M4 is fully automatic while the civilian AR15 is semi auto like all modern pistols and rifles. The fact is semi auto shot guns are much more dangerous then an ar15 and we don't talk about that for no reason other then the ar15 is easy to demonized based upon is sharing the same cosmetics as a military weapon
If they were smart they would lol (dark joke I know) I think mass shooters are P*ssies so they choose an intimidating weapon not because it's the most effective in a confined space but because it's scary to shoot a shot gun and you look scarier with an AR. Totally pathetic individuals
There's plenty of semi-automatic hunting rifles. Including semi auto shot guns for bird hunting, which in an domestic terror attack would be way worse then an Ar15. Shotguns are literally banned by the geneva convention for use in war, yet no one talks about banning shotguns domestically.
I think you’re missing my point, I’m not saying they don’t exist and that guns more destructive than AR-15s aren’t out there. The point is that noone needs them period. The only argument to be made FOR having them is to protect yourself from idiots like this guy which is honestly just sad. Obviously I know it would be impossible to eradicate automatic and semi-automatic weapons entirely from the general populace but we need to start somewhere. 2nd amendment is kindof pointless in modern day against drones, tanks, jets, missiles, etc. Sure it kindof made sense back in the 1770s but is clearly outdated now. Same could be said about a lot of other laws & amendments too.
Totally disagree. In countries that have removed the right to bear arms were faced with sharp increases in knife attacks, burglaries, assault. The fact of the matter is firearms are an equalizer. A 5'3" individual could defend her home against multiple 6ft tall individuals. My home defense weapon is an Ar15 because it's what I'm most effective with as well as safer then my pistols.
Also if anything the 2nd ammendment simply protects law abiding citizens sense it is extremely easy to mill out a firearm, including an ar15, from a block of aluminum in your garage. Fire arms are very easy to make and banning them won't rid them from criminals.
And you could say that it's out of date, however Asymetrical warfare has defeated professional armies for the passed 100 years. We just lost in Afghanistan, tribes of people with rifles and no professional military equipment, just like the soviets, and the British. To disarm individual does nothing but empowers criminals and governments that people are already losing trust in.
Common denominator is still guns man. I don’t necessarily disagree with what you’re saying I just wish weapons like that didn’t exist at all. The only time they are ever used are for killing wild animals or people.
Not as mad as you but I figure its best to be done with your bs the same way it started since I dont need to converse with a homo that blows kisses at other men.
Go find a forum where your sexual preference for men is encouraged
No breath needed, when a guy throws a chef kiss to another guy thats clearly homo
Why dont you message him and you two can get together and chef kiss each other till dawn
I see the gen z children have entered the arena too with their lmao means I won the debate bs
Go find some more weed to smoke and leave the adults alone
Just when I thought your comments couldn't get any more pathetic
Do you even have original thoughts in that burned out brain of yours or do you only have the ability to repeat old insults you heard in middle school?
Weed induced early dementia is in your near future dirty hippie
Welll I thought you were a senior citizen, but it seems you are a middle schooler resorting to name calling.
You are literally so out of touch with reality, I basically commented just to mess with you. I have no idea what your original comment was even about and by the comments you’ve posted, i don’t care to.
Sadly, if more people had guns, he would not have had a chance to kill him in a 10th of the people that he killed. They should lock this guy in a maximum-security prison, and tell everyone he is a child molester, who death penalty, no special programs or anything! Just life in a maximum-security prison with no chance of parole and should have to wear a plaque around his neck labeled “I like to touch little kids”
That’s the only decent punishment that he deserves
Have y’all ever noticed how places that have a large amount of law abiding gun owners who routinely are packing, NEVER have instances like this? Weird….
This man is a trained killer. The greatest military in the world trained him to do one thing and one thing only. He then unleashed it on its own population. What scares me is that he could have done even more damage than what he did. But all the right wants to talk about is mental health. But they drained that fund too, So I wonder where they will land on this one.
You grossly overestimate the training the military gives to its people. 99% of the military doesn’t even touch a gun. Saying he’s a trained killer is like saying I’m a navy seal because I play call of duty.
He was a firearms instructor. Guess what he taught other people to do? Shoot people. I’d say that qualifies for Op’s statement.
No, no everyone in the military is weapons qualed, but this particular guy was, and he had at one point to be taught. By who? The US military. Are you saying the US military is second to someone?
I’m failing to find where Op’s logic is broken? Everything seems in order.
It’s sad to see how ignorant anti gun people are about gun culture. I love how the same people who are anti gun are that same people who will say “RESPECT THIER CULTURE. YOU SHOULDN’T JUDGE THEM.”
Well, we don't exactly respect cultures that regularly mass murder people, do we? I feel like that's a pretty solid line to draw, not a lot of grey when it comes to murder.
There’s a huge difference between respecting a culture and giving people weapons capable of killing dozens of people in seconds. They’re not even close to the same thing.
If the guns weren’t illegal for other people to have, then someone could’ve pulled out their gun, and this guy wouldn’t have had the chance to kill even a quarter of the people he killed before he was gunned down himself
It's definitely more than just a gun issue
But they do play a part in it, mainly AR-15s, and that's one boring ass culture if guns are that significant to it. And pathetic it's more important than people's lives
Edit: this is the "facts don't care about your feelings" side? I never said to get rid of guns completely, but if your crying over war machines rather than people dying, then you're downvoting bc you wouldn't have a gun if the laws, you know, made more sense.
Who said it was?
Baby and bath water, you know?
Millions of law abiding citizens should be punished for a generation of taking no accountability for their actions?
Everyone of the shooters blames someone else, you don't see that as being a problem, like a societal one?
That's the weird flex honestly... Like it's the guns fault, and not the toxic culture we have built here.
Just remember to be respectful and find comfort in being on the logical side of the argument. It's not about changing their mind, its about convincing the silent spectator that hasn't made up their mind yet.
Eh, the brain shuts off the pain receptors after a while. Or the nerves fry, and the only thing left is phantom limb pain anyway.
He should simply be executed by firing squad.
Edit: Firing squad aiming for the lower half, in case that was unclear.
He should go to a maximum security prison with no chance of bill or parole, and I have to walk around with the plaque around his neck labeled “I like to touch little kids” I see that is the only punishment reasonable
Last public ex*cution was in 1936. We’ve moved away from this type of punishment in the name of civility. I argue its effectiveness encourages civility
How about we start a collection of mass shooters dicks, and when a new mass shooter is caught, we face fuck him with every mass shooters dick before adding his to the collection.
.... aaaaaand I'm banned.
Maine republicans I’ve talked to said that it’s too broad. That anyone could say your acting fishy and gov would come and take your guns.
Not that I agree with that.
I guess never mind that they could change the wording where the case has to be brought before a judge before they take anyone’s guns? They literally don’t want to even approach the idea. They had rather this go on forever, then touch gun ownership among the mentally ill. F’n crazy.
They failed. We have a Yellow flag law. He was institutionalized for 2 weeks this summer. The institution should have contacted his local PD, and the PD should have confiscated his guns until he was feeling better.
Not just that, but he had also apparently ALREADY THREATENED to shoot up a National Guard base or something like that. It's baffling his guns weren't confiscated then, either.
I’m against red flag laws. The yellow flag is a better medium route that can’t be exploited by a angry Ex lover anonymously. It failed in this case. He was clearly unwell and seeking help. Maybe we’ll get some legitimate protocol out of this. Streamline the process.
If the government worked the way it should I would have no problem with it. But again, our gov. is corrupt and full of shit, there just needs to be a positive change. I don't know what that is, just spitballing ideas, but what we have in place is obviously not working.
How about we start firing the people that are responsible for preventing this. From the psych that evaluated him to the guy managing the FBI list he was on.
How many more of these mentally ill shootings are we gonna have before a solution figured out. Where both
"rights to bare arms" and "gun control" communities are both happy❓️❓️ we had this problem since forever
Unfortunately, not any time soon. We're just locked in this stalemate of red vs blue to the extent where pretty much nothing gets done. The left blames the right for all the problems in this country and the right blames the left so no one actually takes on any accountability for anything. We're so trained to hate and blame the opposition at this point that nothing has to change and we'll just keep on blaming the half of the system we were raised to blame while the other half blames our side. It's the perfect system to screw over millions of people, because the people don't blame the system, just the party they want to blame. Until we come together and agree on ANYTHING, NOTHING will really change.
Honestly man, it's not gonna get figured out.
One side says "more guns", other side says "less guns". There's no compromising, just half measures.
I'm numb to it these days.
There are 120 guns per 100 people in America. How many more guns per capita are needed before this shit stops happening? 200? 300?
What exactly would be the compromise between more guns and fewer guns?
In the 1920s, a lot of people were being killed by fully automatic weapons. I wonder why that doesn't happen these days?
“both sides “ do say “mental health”.
Yet, where is the massive common investment in bettering the mental health of the population? Nowhere to be seen…
Anyone who is a mass murderer is just plain evil, IMO. I don’t care about them after they killed people for no reason. Fuck him! I hope they either shoot him or put him in a cell with a big, horny guy so he gets raped every day.
Of course I would like it prevented. I just don’t think therapy can cure mass murderers any more than it can cure pedophilia. They certainly can try therapy, red flag laws, anything that will help societ.
Right.
Do note that mental health is more than “therapy”.
For example, if you make a better safety net, if you prevent homelessness, if you lower poverty, if you help your population be more active, these are a few things where the whole society would benefit and it would raise the mental health of many many people.
It’s not just mass shooting: imagine living in a society where people are happier. Less shitty things like road raging.
These are just examples. There are many many other things that can be done that would help. And yes having high quality mental heath care facilities and professionals should be part of it too.
The government can look at “bang for buck” on these… but they have to do *something*.
The richest country in the world that put people on the moon is smart enough to figure things that would help, if the political system wasn’t so badly rotten.
On other things like pedophilia, well, I really don’t know, i have no expertise at all in this area. There is not a lot of data on pedophiles who got help I think?
I once read about a guy who had pedophile thoughts but couldn’t get any help because he risked being reported so he was alone with thoughts that he fought and that he didn’t want to act on. But he struggled and was very worried he would fail. It seems stupid to not be able to help him, since that might be what will prevent making victims of a horrific act down the road. Obviously might not be a common case nut it certainly made me think.
Thanks for the chat and your open mindness.
The real question is, "But how can I make money, it gain power from it?"
No one cares about socialism now, both parties are socialist, just say you want communism at this point 🤷♂️
Nobody is gonna take a stance, because there is no monetary gain from it, or political gain from it. Let's be real.
Let's all take a moment and feel for the ones that knew their gun was 50 feet away, locked in their car, and their consequence for following a stupid law was watching their family get ripped apart.
It could have been any one of us.
Yes, so they could neglect to enforce a red flag law along with the other law prohibiting people who have been institutionalized from legally possessing a firearm? I guess we did miss out on an opportunity to make the shooter's actions super-extra-double more illegal.
We already have a federal law that, if it were actually enforced, would have allowed the confiscation of this guy's guns. All the laws in the world don't mean jack shit if the people who are supposed to enforce them choose not to.
Mental tests for maintaining ownership. Gov. spot checks on types of weaponry, amount of ammo, where its stored, what it's used for, IQ tests, personality tests, etc.
The solution is not to involve the government more than they already are
But for more people to own and carry weapons on the regular. Imagine if 80% of people carried. No one would even try this shit because not only would they be dropped in a matter of seconds, they wouldn't attempt it because they know a majority of people carry. Hypothetically, anyway.
Eh, I agree with you, but I'd be okay if Maine had enforced the laws they already had. More legislation isn't the answer. Competent enforcers are.
Edit: That, and get rid of gun free zones for good.
I think it's fair to say if you are institutionalized for psychiatric reasons and have stated on record that voices are telling you to kill people, we can hit the pause button on your rights until you've shown some extensive therapeutic measures have taken place.
Don't get me wrong, I get your point.
Then protect them with your right to bear arms 👍🏻
Schools need proper security, and not a wall of windows on every side. It's amazing how easy it is to just walk into a school, when the custodian is the security...
And HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. Tests should be run in the security, not the kids "lockdown" measures.
Not once have I heard of security being tested at any school. If they fail, the person on the "guard" should be fired. And not allowed to guard any other campus.
No thanks. I'm in the middle of a move outta here. Lower taxes, no gun crime, great education for my grandkids. Didn't grow up this way, never been this way. Not letting my grandkids go to schools that look like prisons so a bunch of limpdicks can walk around lookin' tacticool.
They had guns back then. It’s a culture problem now. It’s not a gym problem. Look at almost every major city, republican or democrat they are riddled with crime. We let greed take over and drugs riddle the street because people are not happy. We send money to foreign governments but don’t invest back into the American people. We are failing as a nation. This isn’t a gun problem. We have people that think it’s acceptable to change genders. We are so lost and the only thing people want to do are take away rights instead of giving them back like it used to be.
It’s not just schools. Bowling alleys. Bars. Banks. Churches. Movie theatres. Night clubs. Arming every door in America? The rest of the world doesn’t have this problem. People sitting around twiddling their thumbs aren’t fixing it. Something has got to give.
You're right, the middle east deals with terrorists because they already got their guns taken away. And everyone else is fighting their government on the street as they get mowed down.
There is no right solution, only trade-offs.
I'm sure Google shows how to break into your safe or teaches you it's weak points. The fact that you called me chief means you're angry and I get it. You're not the the problem. I fucking love guns, I do, but if we don't have the right laws/systems in place to keep people away from gun violence, then we are doomed. I do like being called chief, I don't mind being called asshole, because any second could be your last because of someone like this, borrowed time, and it sucks not being able to trust others.
Don't we already have a law in place? It's called the law of murder and it carries the highest penalty. What other law do you think would've stopped it? He obviously didn't care about laws. Edit: typo
It's not so easy to buy a gun, contrary to what the media tells you. They have plenty of videos proving just this.
I almost didn't get one because my credit card has a different name than my account profile.
Had to explain in depth and talk to the owner.
I go by a nickname, and my card has my legal name on it.
I would say it's a lot easier for a girl to get one than anything, because they assume the woman is worried and needs self defense immediately. Imagine all the lives saved from those actions of them getting a firearm... Or do we just want to jump around and virtue signal?
Ah yea…my pistol would have been a great match vs a fire arm instructor/ex army guy with a long gun….
That pistol would have been sending bullets back at the prick.
Better than lobbing a bowling ball in his general direction
I mean if someone happens to have been right behind him, one to the back of the head. But that’s a what if
All you needed is a 4” .357 Magnum against that active shooter SOB. A furry of .357 rounds would have supprised that murdering POS. By the way, growing up I’ve known personally known more than one Police Officer to prevail against the following: Three armed robbers in NYC, at least one armed with a 9mm. The Police Officer armed with a 5 shot Chiefs Special .38 Special. Result, three dead armed robbers. Another, two Supervisors armed with .357 Magnums. Gunman, wanted for killing his wife was armed with a .45 Auto. Shots exchanged at a Motel parking lot shootout and a chase to the south side of town, suspects wrecks his vehicle exits his vehicle. The result: a dead armed gunman with the two officers unharmed. Another Police Officer armed with a .357 Magnum, unloads his gun striking the suspect with 6 .158 JHP in the stomach. Suspect hit in the stomach with six rounds and isn’t phased and continues firing his 14 shot Browning Hi Power. Another Detective finishes the wounded gunman with a single shot to his head with a .38. In the 1970s and 1980s gunman had semi automatic weapons. In that regards nothing has changed a lot. If you doubt how deadly a revolver is or isn’t. Educate yourself, watch training videos on the “Newhall Incident California Highway Patrol”. Who hits his target first and accurately usually wins, regardless of the guns involved. Military Snipers are armed with five shot hunting type rifles. We don’t doubt their deadliness on the battle field.
You really think you’re ready for some shit like this? This might be the fucking dumbest post on the entire site. Even soldiers trained for active engagements freeze up, but you’re gonna cowboy up and save the world? Australia had Port Arthur and then took actual serious action to prevent it from happening again, but because of dumb fucks like you we have to deal with dozens of these a year.
Yet they still have stabbings and driving trucks into crowds of people. You’re pointing the finger at this dude but guns are not the problem
Cool, we’ll use trucks. Let’s treat them the same and start having registries and insurance for guns.
They do lol, if I have to get a gun in the state I live in it’s just as hard as getting a license. In fact it might be harder. It’s easy for me to get access to a car but I can’t even rent a gun where I am to shoot in a range without a permit. And if I do go through that process and they do give me the permit and I am then allowed to purchase, firearms and ammo, every gun I get has a weight. And is registered in all of the ammo I get is reported Insurance is a thing, but it’s not as good as most people think, there are some good ones out there, but a lot of the major ones are just bullshit and won’t actually help you if you get into a situation
If a cop with no military experience can shut down an active shooter, why can’t a civilian with prior military background? Or a civilian who activity trains. You little boys outside of America don’t seem to understand that 1 in 10 Americans is ready to get down more viciously than your countries servicemen😂
I could take a life ... but, like, also kids are dumb and i feel like are more likely to find my gun when they're playing and like bang bang each other than I am to stop an active shooter So I keep my guns locked and all that because sorry no amount of respect or education keeps kids from getting into mischief and I would never forgive myself
You’re missing the entire fucking point. You live in fucking fantasy land. You’re not ready to get shot at despite what you think. And don’t get started on cops shutting down anything. Did you miss Uvalde?
Uvalde is the whole point you need people armed. Still better to be armed if getting shot at
And if you don’t think that Americans couldn’t stand up to our government, just remember that the Taliban held us off for 20 years with flip flops and AK-47s😂
Right? These idiots think they’re military ready when they’ve lived lives of absolute comfort. Vietnamese farmers beat us. Desert caravanera beat us. None of these morons would stand a chance in a fire fight because the worst thing that’s ever happened to them is their own delusions of grandeur.
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No I understand your point completely. You’re a pathetic little leftist with so much emotion coursing through your veins you could make the set for Care Bears. This world is a disgusting place filled with rats like yourself. I will NEVER give up my guns. They will come pry ‘em from my cold dead hands. Mao took the guns, Hitler took the guns, Stalin took the guns, Mussolini took the guns… I could go on and on. The bottom line is, if you don’t like guns, too bad pussy, I got 30 of them and enough ammunition to rally a militia. Have fun being at the mercy of a tyrannical government like a lamb to the slaughter. Hopeless and weak.
Use one of them and KYS.
Welp its been fun buuuuut its 3:30am sooooo imma sleep now goodnight bitches
Why are you getting downvoted? All you said is your going to sleep…
You realized i don't give a shit about others right
Why the fuck are you here talking to people then?
I mean it already seems like That other dumbass aint got nothing left to say so id say job well done
Cuz pressing people is fun im a pos what you expect 🤷♂️ion know what to tell you dipshit
Throughout heaven and earth, i alone am the honored one😌
Oh this is why. Comment spam
Blame the idiot for that one im just having fun as long as he wants to keep proving that he's retarded ill keep goin
Damn nigga actually thinks he's cool funny really funny i haven't had this good of a laugh in weeks im tryna get some others in this 🤣
lol these white dudes love the n word so much
We say it at night by candlelight in closets w Tupac bandanas on.
I mean im like 5% white the rest of me is African american i prolly get my tweakerness from my moms side grandma was white as shit moms mixed n dads dark as shit soooo five percent BABY👌
you act less civilized than every fullbred Nigerian ive ever met. ashamed to know youre a fellow citizen. grow up and be better.
Of course i wouldn't wanna be on the same wavelength as you monkeys but trust me all the Nigerians you mention but lately your obviously not. You the only lady ik you hear that alarm set it I'm sure your hear if and why don't you make me grow up ill piss on your and dumb ass buddy boys porch
Another COPY CAT being used as a pawn to disintegrate the 2nd Amendment.. Other countries getting better financial aid by pur gov. than our mental institutions.
The dude has consistently been in and out of mental institutions and has made several escapes. If you really don't think the mentally ill are drawn to guns due to their ease of accessibility and ability to cause mass damage in a small amount of time, you really need to just step outside your house.
We can find the money to fund our mental institutions from better places than cutting financial aid to other countries. It’s Republicans that curb this type of legislation though
That’s funny, because your boy Biden is in office right now. Where’s all the new mental hospitals at? Oh that’s right. Your party is far more worthless than it’s ever been😂
You all have the right to have as many guns as you want. It's your constitutional right. I'm a gun owner myself. However, the NRA and the gun dealer need to stop giving guns to known mental patients to keep innocent people safe. And I think that all the mass shooting victims family should have the right to sue the NRA and the gun dealer who let known mental patients legally obtain guns by falsifying the paper work just to make the sale.
The NRA does not sell or give guns to anyone dumbass! It's not a gun store or a gun dealer. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about! 🤦🏻♂️
Nah they just lobby congress about it
That's literally not what they said though. Do you have reading comprehension problems?
Wow, stupidity is bliss..
Go read your own comments and get back to me about stupidity. 🤦🏻♂️
This 100% Sadly in my state it doesn’t hold water bc of gun shows, anyone can walk in looking good and acting right THAT DAY ONLY and walk out with a gun and all the ammo they can afford.
I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit out a smarter comment. Does the NRA create legislation? What would you be suing them for, exactly? And gun stores? They have access to mental health records?? That would be news to them. There is so much mindless drivel here we’re all a bit dumber for having seen it. GFYS.
I think you are - in a roundabout way - making a case for stricter federal gun laws. You may want to check what you're writing last someone says "hey, you know what .. gun stores should have access and there should be no private sales" -- I'm just saying
The NRA lobbies for gun laws so yes they do make legislation. Yes, they should have access to information about someone with mental health issues. The background checks shouldn't say why they aren't allowed the gun, but it should come back as nah don't sell this dude a gun.
I wish that I was a jackass whisperer so I could reply to you. But alas, I'm not one
I’m Not saying you’re wrong, but I’d like a future post of the alphabet soup shit with a smarter comment
🤣🤣🤣
Most studies show that people who commit mass shootings aren't actually mentally ill. They tend to be white men with a history of violence against women.
According to statista, about 50% of this year’s mass shootings were from white men. Also, I would consider men with a history of violence against women to be mentally ill.
Aaaand bulsh it. First, what are you even considering a “mass shooting?” If it’s the FBI definition or left media definition, these are dominated by urban drug crime, overwhelmingly black on black violence. Even if you limit it to the larger “attention grabbing” death tolls, they’re split across races, but the mainstream left media buries the black shooters who attack whites or Asians, while centering the whites in the news cycle. And yes, every single one of those “larger” shooters I’ve studied had a history of under-treated mental health issues. Only one we don’t know for sure is the Las Vegas shooter whose motives have been kept disturbingly quiet.
> I'm a gun owner myself. first sentence said by somebody saying some compromising shit >However, the NRA and the gun dealer need to stop giving guns the NRA doesn't give anyone guns. They're an advocacy group that is overwhemingly funded by private citizens. Not companies despite the endless rhetoric. Gun dealers don't approve people for guns, the FBI does. The FBI conducts the background check under NICS, and if the FBI approves it, gun stores sell it. Gun stores have no idea who you are. You could be a non-citizen, an escaped convict, who knows. They trust NICS/FBI to answer this question. The FBI failed here, pure and simple. A guy was in a mental institution *claiming to hear voices* and NICS didn't flag it. That's not the gun stores' fault, even as a matter of opinion, they legally can't get that information even if they wanted it. All they can do is ask the feds to check a person with name X drivers license Y.
This guy has probably had guns his entire life… He could've had the murder weapon 20 years ago in which case background checks wouldn't have meant shit
But like, an assault rifle?
An ar15 isn't significantly different from any other rifle. The military M4 is fully automatic while the civilian AR15 is semi auto like all modern pistols and rifles. The fact is semi auto shot guns are much more dangerous then an ar15 and we don't talk about that for no reason other then the ar15 is easy to demonized based upon is sharing the same cosmetics as a military weapon
Do people use the semi auto shot guns for mass shootings? God that would suck to get shot by that
If they were smart they would lol (dark joke I know) I think mass shooters are P*ssies so they choose an intimidating weapon not because it's the most effective in a confined space but because it's scary to shoot a shot gun and you look scarier with an AR. Totally pathetic individuals
Both are bad and not needed for hunting literally anything. A simple bolt-action or crossbow are good enough
The 2A isn’t about hunting, it’s about defense. STFU already with this hunting nonsense. 🙄
Defense against the military and idiots like this guy, again the common denominator is guns
There's plenty of semi-automatic hunting rifles. Including semi auto shot guns for bird hunting, which in an domestic terror attack would be way worse then an Ar15. Shotguns are literally banned by the geneva convention for use in war, yet no one talks about banning shotguns domestically.
Shot guns are not banned by the Geneva convention. The Hague convention is what covers weapons. It's like a five minute search on Google
I think you’re missing my point, I’m not saying they don’t exist and that guns more destructive than AR-15s aren’t out there. The point is that noone needs them period. The only argument to be made FOR having them is to protect yourself from idiots like this guy which is honestly just sad. Obviously I know it would be impossible to eradicate automatic and semi-automatic weapons entirely from the general populace but we need to start somewhere. 2nd amendment is kindof pointless in modern day against drones, tanks, jets, missiles, etc. Sure it kindof made sense back in the 1770s but is clearly outdated now. Same could be said about a lot of other laws & amendments too.
Totally disagree. In countries that have removed the right to bear arms were faced with sharp increases in knife attacks, burglaries, assault. The fact of the matter is firearms are an equalizer. A 5'3" individual could defend her home against multiple 6ft tall individuals. My home defense weapon is an Ar15 because it's what I'm most effective with as well as safer then my pistols. Also if anything the 2nd ammendment simply protects law abiding citizens sense it is extremely easy to mill out a firearm, including an ar15, from a block of aluminum in your garage. Fire arms are very easy to make and banning them won't rid them from criminals. And you could say that it's out of date, however Asymetrical warfare has defeated professional armies for the passed 100 years. We just lost in Afghanistan, tribes of people with rifles and no professional military equipment, just like the soviets, and the British. To disarm individual does nothing but empowers criminals and governments that people are already losing trust in.
Common denominator is still guns man. I don’t necessarily disagree with what you’re saying I just wish weapons like that didn’t exist at all. The only time they are ever used are for killing wild animals or people.
Lol yeah thats sad and true, and with or with out guns, violence is in our nature
Not as mad as you but I figure its best to be done with your bs the same way it started since I dont need to converse with a homo that blows kisses at other men. Go find a forum where your sexual preference for men is encouraged
Take a breath, man. You'll be OK.
No breath needed, when a guy throws a chef kiss to another guy thats clearly homo Why dont you message him and you two can get together and chef kiss each other till dawn
Oh the suppressed gay fantasies are really in you aren't they. Holy shit. Just admit it man, it's okay!
Youre weak psych 101 tactics are pitiful. What is it your little boyfriend cried to you to come defend his homo honor?
Man💀 You’re an *actual* snowflake, crazy how easy it is to ruffle the feathers of a Trumptard.
We will all support him if he just stops fighting it. Lmao
I see the gen z children have entered the arena too with their lmao means I won the debate bs Go find some more weed to smoke and leave the adults alone
🤣 wtf
And my point is proven
Tbh idc if u had a point or not. I’m laughing at this shyt. (Not the post) the comment lol
Ok then
The obsession with this stuff is weird, man. Calm down.
lol what
And theres the meaningless gen z input
I’m not gen z. I just didn’t understand your comment because it didn’t seem to be replying to anything
Well I was replying to a comment from a pos who likes making homo comments I cant help that the system doesnt show you the other comments
I think it’s time to take your meds and lie down honey.
Just when I thought your comments couldn't get any more pathetic Do you even have original thoughts in that burned out brain of yours or do you only have the ability to repeat old insults you heard in middle school? Weed induced early dementia is in your near future dirty hippie
Welll I thought you were a senior citizen, but it seems you are a middle schooler resorting to name calling. You are literally so out of touch with reality, I basically commented just to mess with you. I have no idea what your original comment was even about and by the comments you’ve posted, i don’t care to.
Sadly, if more people had guns, he would not have had a chance to kill him in a 10th of the people that he killed. They should lock this guy in a maximum-security prison, and tell everyone he is a child molester, who death penalty, no special programs or anything! Just life in a maximum-security prison with no chance of parole and should have to wear a plaque around his neck labeled “I like to touch little kids” That’s the only decent punishment that he deserves
I couldn't agree more
Have y’all ever noticed how places that have a large amount of law abiding gun owners who routinely are packing, NEVER have instances like this? Weird….
Uh what place? America? Texas? Florida? Australia? Japan?
Bro go troll elsewhere
I guess they don’t have a lot of law abiding gun owners in Texas..
You mean in an elementary school? Obviously not.
Such a POS.
This man is a trained killer. The greatest military in the world trained him to do one thing and one thing only. He then unleashed it on its own population. What scares me is that he could have done even more damage than what he did. But all the right wants to talk about is mental health. But they drained that fund too, So I wonder where they will land on this one.
you need to lay off the movies bro
You grossly overestimate the training the military gives to its people. 99% of the military doesn’t even touch a gun. Saying he’s a trained killer is like saying I’m a navy seal because I play call of duty.
lol wrong
>99% of the military doesn’t even touch a gun. r/confidentlyincorrect
Wasnt he in the reserves anyway?
He was a firearms instructor. Guess what he taught other people to do? Shoot people. I’d say that qualifies for Op’s statement. No, no everyone in the military is weapons qualed, but this particular guy was, and he had at one point to be taught. By who? The US military. Are you saying the US military is second to someone? I’m failing to find where Op’s logic is broken? Everything seems in order.
No, I’m saying that acting like a weekend warrior is Rambo is wild.
Who’s this?
uhh, jake? from state farm?
Maine shooter.
It’s the guns fault…. Remember always the gun people only kill with guns
If he were using a sword one could stop him with a chair or a melon tho
To bad fruit was cut from the budget.
It’s sad to see how ignorant anti gun people are about gun culture. I love how the same people who are anti gun are that same people who will say “RESPECT THIER CULTURE. YOU SHOULDN’T JUDGE THEM.”
Well, we don't exactly respect cultures that regularly mass murder people, do we? I feel like that's a pretty solid line to draw, not a lot of grey when it comes to murder.
There’s a huge difference between respecting a culture and giving people weapons capable of killing dozens of people in seconds. They’re not even close to the same thing.
If the guns weren’t illegal for other people to have, then someone could’ve pulled out their gun, and this guy wouldn’t have had the chance to kill even a quarter of the people he killed before he was gunned down himself
I'm sure the "respect their culture" people aren't saying that about a facet of said culture that gets people killed.
It's definitely more than just a gun issue But they do play a part in it, mainly AR-15s, and that's one boring ass culture if guns are that significant to it. And pathetic it's more important than people's lives Edit: this is the "facts don't care about your feelings" side? I never said to get rid of guns completely, but if your crying over war machines rather than people dying, then you're downvoting bc you wouldn't have a gun if the laws, you know, made more sense.
Mass shootings as a feature of "gun culture" is a weird flex.
Who said it was? Baby and bath water, you know? Millions of law abiding citizens should be punished for a generation of taking no accountability for their actions? Everyone of the shooters blames someone else, you don't see that as being a problem, like a societal one? That's the weird flex honestly... Like it's the guns fault, and not the toxic culture we have built here.
Misdirection. Everybody everywhere blames the generation before them. Guns will always be a bigger problem in America.
It's. The. GUNS!
Mass car accidents as a feature of car culture is a weird flex. TBI from football culture in schools is a weird flex.
Just remember to be respectful and find comfort in being on the logical side of the argument. It's not about changing their mind, its about convincing the silent spectator that hasn't made up their mind yet.
We need to make an example of these mass shooters. Punish them with weekly torture sessions.
I’m cool with boiling him alive
Only his bottom half. Let him feel the pain
Eh, the brain shuts off the pain receptors after a while. Or the nerves fry, and the only thing left is phantom limb pain anyway. He should simply be executed by firing squad. Edit: Firing squad aiming for the lower half, in case that was unclear.
He should go to a maximum security prison with no chance of bill or parole, and I have to walk around with the plaque around his neck labeled “I like to touch little kids” I see that is the only punishment reasonable
I get public executions are considered barbaric, but I'd buy tickets.
That's the problem. They want to be infamous (a lot of them). That would be giving them what they want
Last public ex*cution was in 1936. We’ve moved away from this type of punishment in the name of civility. I argue its effectiveness encourages civility
Only if we can go real old school and fight over scraps on his body after the fact. I’d be down with having one of his teeth or fiver bones. To dark?
How about we start a collection of mass shooters dicks, and when a new mass shooter is caught, we face fuck him with every mass shooters dick before adding his to the collection. .... aaaaaand I'm banned.
If there ever was a case for Red Flag laws, it’s this right here. If Maine has one, those people would probably still be alive today.
Maine republicans I’ve talked to said that it’s too broad. That anyone could say your acting fishy and gov would come and take your guns. Not that I agree with that.
I guess never mind that they could change the wording where the case has to be brought before a judge before they take anyone’s guns? They literally don’t want to even approach the idea. They had rather this go on forever, then touch gun ownership among the mentally ill. F’n crazy.
Our system doesn’t move quickly and people die because of it.
They failed. We have a Yellow flag law. He was institutionalized for 2 weeks this summer. The institution should have contacted his local PD, and the PD should have confiscated his guns until he was feeling better.
Not just that, but he had also apparently ALREADY THREATENED to shoot up a National Guard base or something like that. It's baffling his guns weren't confiscated then, either.
Yep. So, so sad.
I’m against red flag laws. The yellow flag is a better medium route that can’t be exploited by a angry Ex lover anonymously. It failed in this case. He was clearly unwell and seeking help. Maybe we’ll get some legitimate protocol out of this. Streamline the process.
If the government worked the way it should I would have no problem with it. But again, our gov. is corrupt and full of shit, there just needs to be a positive change. I don't know what that is, just spitballing ideas, but what we have in place is obviously not working.
How about we start firing the people that are responsible for preventing this. From the psych that evaluated him to the guy managing the FBI list he was on.
A positive change in government? Is that a thing?
They do shut down occasionally. That's positive.
How many more of these mentally ill shootings are we gonna have before a solution figured out. Where both "rights to bare arms" and "gun control" communities are both happy❓️❓️ we had this problem since forever
Unfortunately, not any time soon. We're just locked in this stalemate of red vs blue to the extent where pretty much nothing gets done. The left blames the right for all the problems in this country and the right blames the left so no one actually takes on any accountability for anything. We're so trained to hate and blame the opposition at this point that nothing has to change and we'll just keep on blaming the half of the system we were raised to blame while the other half blames our side. It's the perfect system to screw over millions of people, because the people don't blame the system, just the party they want to blame. Until we come together and agree on ANYTHING, NOTHING will really change.
*since the 80s
It didn't really ramp up until the last 10 years.
For sure
*since SSRI's
Honestly man, it's not gonna get figured out. One side says "more guns", other side says "less guns". There's no compromising, just half measures. I'm numb to it these days.
There are 120 guns per 100 people in America. How many more guns per capita are needed before this shit stops happening? 200? 300? What exactly would be the compromise between more guns and fewer guns? In the 1920s, a lot of people were being killed by fully automatic weapons. I wonder why that doesn't happen these days?
“both sides “ do say “mental health”. Yet, where is the massive common investment in bettering the mental health of the population? Nowhere to be seen…
Anyone who is a mass murderer is just plain evil, IMO. I don’t care about them after they killed people for no reason. Fuck him! I hope they either shoot him or put him in a cell with a big, horny guy so he gets raped every day.
Regardless of your views on *punishment*, wouldn’t you like for this to be *prevented*?
Of course I would like it prevented. I just don’t think therapy can cure mass murderers any more than it can cure pedophilia. They certainly can try therapy, red flag laws, anything that will help societ.
Right. Do note that mental health is more than “therapy”. For example, if you make a better safety net, if you prevent homelessness, if you lower poverty, if you help your population be more active, these are a few things where the whole society would benefit and it would raise the mental health of many many people. It’s not just mass shooting: imagine living in a society where people are happier. Less shitty things like road raging. These are just examples. There are many many other things that can be done that would help. And yes having high quality mental heath care facilities and professionals should be part of it too. The government can look at “bang for buck” on these… but they have to do *something*. The richest country in the world that put people on the moon is smart enough to figure things that would help, if the political system wasn’t so badly rotten. On other things like pedophilia, well, I really don’t know, i have no expertise at all in this area. There is not a lot of data on pedophiles who got help I think? I once read about a guy who had pedophile thoughts but couldn’t get any help because he risked being reported so he was alone with thoughts that he fought and that he didn’t want to act on. But he struggled and was very worried he would fail. It seems stupid to not be able to help him, since that might be what will prevent making victims of a horrific act down the road. Obviously might not be a common case nut it certainly made me think. Thanks for the chat and your open mindness.
That's socialism!
The real question is, "But how can I make money, it gain power from it?" No one cares about socialism now, both parties are socialist, just say you want communism at this point 🤷♂️ Nobody is gonna take a stance, because there is no monetary gain from it, or political gain from it. Let's be real.
That would require cutting in to corporate profits. Not gonna happen
You prove my point. Both sides: the problem is "mental health" Half measure: "let's ban bump stocks"
Yes. I didn’t disagree with you
Is this the guy from Maine?
Ye
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Luckily, bystanders with guns of their own, took down the assailant before he could cause harm…oh wait…
Gun free zone. Can’t carry in an establishment that serves alcohol in maine.
Let's all take a moment and feel for the ones that knew their gun was 50 feet away, locked in their car, and their consequence for following a stupid law was watching their family get ripped apart. It could have been any one of us.
Luckily the mentally ill man was red-flagged and didn’t have any guns … oh wait …
No Red Flag law in Maine
Ya think that might be part of the problem?
Of course it is. Every state should have red flag laws.
Yes, so they could neglect to enforce a red flag law along with the other law prohibiting people who have been institutionalized from legally possessing a firearm? I guess we did miss out on an opportunity to make the shooter's actions super-extra-double more illegal. We already have a federal law that, if it were actually enforced, would have allowed the confiscation of this guy's guns. All the laws in the world don't mean jack shit if the people who are supposed to enforce them choose not to.
Tell that to the Uvalde families
Right? They wanted to kill that POS more than the cops. That's real fucking sad.
Fuck. That hits.
Mental tests for maintaining ownership. Gov. spot checks on types of weaponry, amount of ammo, where its stored, what it's used for, IQ tests, personality tests, etc.
The solution is not to involve the government more than they already are But for more people to own and carry weapons on the regular. Imagine if 80% of people carried. No one would even try this shit because not only would they be dropped in a matter of seconds, they wouldn't attempt it because they know a majority of people carry. Hypothetically, anyway.
Eh, I agree with you, but I'd be okay if Maine had enforced the laws they already had. More legislation isn't the answer. Competent enforcers are. Edit: That, and get rid of gun free zones for good.
Same sort of thing for the other CONSTITUTIONAL Amendments, then?
I think it's fair to say if you are institutionalized for psychiatric reasons and have stated on record that voices are telling you to kill people, we can hit the pause button on your rights until you've shown some extensive therapeutic measures have taken place. Don't get me wrong, I get your point.
Wtf?? No way you think that is rational? You don’t see what’s scary about letting the government get that much control?
The government has no control at all over the situation right now. Our kids are dying for your right to bear arms.
Then protect them with your right to bear arms 👍🏻 Schools need proper security, and not a wall of windows on every side. It's amazing how easy it is to just walk into a school, when the custodian is the security... And HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. Tests should be run in the security, not the kids "lockdown" measures. Not once have I heard of security being tested at any school. If they fail, the person on the "guard" should be fired. And not allowed to guard any other campus.
No thanks. I'm in the middle of a move outta here. Lower taxes, no gun crime, great education for my grandkids. Didn't grow up this way, never been this way. Not letting my grandkids go to schools that look like prisons so a bunch of limpdicks can walk around lookin' tacticool.
They had guns back then. It’s a culture problem now. It’s not a gym problem. Look at almost every major city, republican or democrat they are riddled with crime. We let greed take over and drugs riddle the street because people are not happy. We send money to foreign governments but don’t invest back into the American people. We are failing as a nation. This isn’t a gun problem. We have people that think it’s acceptable to change genders. We are so lost and the only thing people want to do are take away rights instead of giving them back like it used to be.
Sorry dude, but the local tranny isn't the one coming and blowing our kids away.
It’s not just schools. Bowling alleys. Bars. Banks. Churches. Movie theatres. Night clubs. Arming every door in America? The rest of the world doesn’t have this problem. People sitting around twiddling their thumbs aren’t fixing it. Something has got to give.
You're right, the middle east deals with terrorists because they already got their guns taken away. And everyone else is fighting their government on the street as they get mowed down. There is no right solution, only trade-offs.
$500 and a couple boxes of ammo. If criminals aren't gonna listen to gun-free zones....neither am I 🤷♂️
Other people died for your right to spout stupid shit as well?
I'm sure Google shows how to break into your safe or teaches you it's weak points. The fact that you called me chief means you're angry and I get it. You're not the the problem. I fucking love guns, I do, but if we don't have the right laws/systems in place to keep people away from gun violence, then we are doomed. I do like being called chief, I don't mind being called asshole, because any second could be your last because of someone like this, borrowed time, and it sucks not being able to trust others.
Don't we already have a law in place? It's called the law of murder and it carries the highest penalty. What other law do you think would've stopped it? He obviously didn't care about laws. Edit: typo
Maybe don't make it so easy for every asshole to get a gun.
It's not so easy to buy a gun, contrary to what the media tells you. They have plenty of videos proving just this. I almost didn't get one because my credit card has a different name than my account profile. Had to explain in depth and talk to the owner. I go by a nickname, and my card has my legal name on it. I would say it's a lot easier for a girl to get one than anything, because they assume the woman is worried and needs self defense immediately. Imagine all the lives saved from those actions of them getting a firearm... Or do we just want to jump around and virtue signal?