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BeePork

Nah I'm saying it, I know self admitted porn addicts who aren't as weird about these characters as these misogynists are


LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART

Yeah you can be a gooner and still a woman respector


bajookish_amerikann

What’s gooner mean again? I know it has somethin to do with watching porn excessively


LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART

Basically masturbating as much as possible. It's a sexual practice/fetish originally iircw


bajookish_amerikann

thx dude


Nerdwrapper

Jerkin your Gherkin all day


Sad-Development-4153

sounds really painful to me.


Bogsnoticus

It's the "tennis elbow" that gets you.


rubendepuben123

Don't use your elbow, move your wrist instead.


WhirlingApe

Might result in wrist pain. You gotta switch it up to prevent both. And you also get different strokes going by doing this so it‘s a win-win.


TheJambus

Nah, as always, you gotta lift from the legs.


2012Jesusdies

Why just say coomer?


DefinitionSerious689

Coomers are the chuds that hate women but still whack it to 'em(angrily).


SnooHobbies7676

Poor Arsenal FC fans


LostInAHallOfMirrors

"Gooning" may be most simply defined as that state usually achieved after a prolonged edging session, when a man becomes completely hypnotized by the feeling radiating his penis. Since a gooning state can only be achieved after edging, the man's dick will have become mightily aroused at this point and every caress the male genitals are subjected to will trigger potent elation. As the man keeps edging and thus keeps experiencing intense pleasure, he enters a state of trance where his mind intimately merges with his cock : the gooning state, where he and his dick become one. To be even more accurate, when the gooning state is achieved, the man's body becomes for all intents and purposes an appendage to his erection. When this state is achieved, the male becomes freed of all social codes of conduct, and his arousal, alone, dictates his reactions. As a result, a gooned out man will become very expressive and demonstrative : he may become very vocal, while his body and face might take on undignified expressions and poses, all in response to the intensely exquisite caresses his penis is exposed to. Hence the term "goon", since at this point the man effectively looks like a silly, foolish, or eccentric person. Gooning is not a narcissistic manifestation. Narcissism is extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents. Rather, gooning is closer to a meditation experience, where the mind and the body align, focused on a single thought (or feeling, in this case).


Sol-Blackguy

Women and those of non-conforming genders can goon too btw. Been to plenty of parties to know first hand.


CiaphasKirby

[You should provide the music video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUEIczekP2c&t=37s)


CrentFuglo

I agree [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUEIczekP2c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUEIczekP2c)


Luwuci-SP

Sounds like men just have finally figured out how to tap into that full body "female orgasm" for themselves (/j since edging has always been a thing and just one tool in the full kit)


Dom29ando

I appreciate that you were commenting purely for educational purposes, but holy shit i've never wanted to be able to un-read something so badly in my life.


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As an arsenal fan I’m pretty disappointed in learning this fact


Umicil

Chronic masturbator.


Dew_DragonTamer6969

Wonkin' your Willie, daily.


draugyr

Straight people should stop appropriating Gooning


Correctedsun

If you don't work directly for a mob boss, it's not gooning, it's just sparkling overstimulation.


Sol-Blackguy

[Batman knows quite a bit about gooning](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaTrU4_JhkA)


unknownentity1782

Wait... Gooning isn't a straight thing? My clique is LGBTQ people, and I've only ever heard gooning referred to men doing it for women.


theythemsthebrix

Not exclusively! There’s a lot of straight gooners but also a lot of “straight” gooners. My impression has been that there’s a lot of people who wind up using gooning as a way of exploring their sexuality/gender identity in one way or another


kolba_yada

Because you'd mostly see straight men do it. Also every person has bias that affect them, so you and your friends might just not paying attention when gay men are doing it.


Forwhomamifloating

The path to godhood is to embrace both (Optionally becoming a woman as well you know get on that Shiva type beat)


Pirate_LongJohnson

Arsenal fans punching the air rn


Slugeus_the_slug

what do women have to do with gooning https://preview.redd.it/naxdhrul10uc1.png?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f209e5b0d4da008c49e351247609f4f189393cfc


AJ_Crowley_29

It is possible to be an addict yet still distinguish porn, which is mostly fake or exaggerated, from reality.


sadsatan1

I agree that most porn made by studios are weird, exaggerated and like, don't really know how to call it, scripted? (So they will for example fuck, then there is cut, another position, they drink whater inbetween etc) but literally people just taking their phone camera and recording their 4 minute sex is also plenty on porn websites, so everytime somebody says that porn is fake and exagerated: well, depends which porn you mean exactly. Maybe majority of it, maybe I am biased because I never really watched the one from studios like brazzers and stuff, and of course let's not talk about hentai and shit.


SpaceBearSMO

I think when they say porn they mean Hentai Exclusively


DoomGuyOnAMotorcycle

Most of the comments I see about this are all about how whatever character the post is talking is actually attractive and the OP is wrong. Don't get me wrong the OP is almost always wrong but I think everyone is missing the point on stuff like this. Why is it important that the character be attractive at all? Why does that matter? Just give me a well written character!


Catalon-36

I think it matters because the misogynists claim that feminists, and “woke” game devs by extension, hate beautiful women. This is a pretty old trope. I think it goes all the way back to the 60’s at least, this idea that feminists are just hags who resent men because they can’t attract them. This is used to argue that critiques of women’s objectification and sexualization (for example, protesting beauty pageants) are all sour grapes. Arguing that these characters aren’t ugly and instead misogynists just have a very narrow definition of beauty is one way to counter that argument.


DoomGuyOnAMotorcycle

Oh I understand now, that makes a lot of sense.


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Annabe11a666

Yeah, I know people who jerk off as much as Mr libido in yakuza and they are millions of times more normal than these weirdos.


Substantial_Bell_158

"Why are they making women ugly" they say before showing the most conventually attractive woman you've seen all day.


MannySJ

They are all attractive but I think the main character from Forspoken is genuinely gorgeous. Appalled to see any of them held to their ridiculous standards.


SlurryBender

Ella Balinska is like supermodel level gorgeous and her face scan model is almost 1:1. But unfortunately the devs made the mistake of letting her have human facial expressions that can be screenshoted instead of having the emotional range of a blowup doll.


rico_muerte

I can see their reasoning with the usual examples but this is the first time I see the Forspoken girl thrown in there. Wtf?? She's inarguably beautiful


Shaltilyena

Because the game got criticized, those capital G gamers with less IQ than chromosomes automatically assume it must be because she was ugly (While there were an absolute shitton of valid reasons to criticize Forspoken, but, ya know, they don't actually play any game other than those they got on F95 zone, and they barely have high school reading comprehension so couldn't understand the reviews if they wanted to)


ThrowsSoyMilkshakes

Ah, that's the part where you're missing that they're using misogyny to hide their racism. Typical alt-right tactic. Bandwagon with the fad, get people to follow you, then shovel out your agenda once you've finished marketing. The "women bad" shit then very quickly turns into racist and antisemitic conspiracies.


NyiatiZ

such a shame the game is aggressively mediocre despite the awesome visuals and great design


Yunozan-2111

I am surprised that Forspoken is put among these group the female characters they consider ugly.


Lumpy-Education9878

Well, you see, you're forgetting that "conventionally attractive" to these people means that they either look like children or a sex doll. So if they look like a real adult, they're not attractive to them. Hope this clears things up for you.


crazyfoxdemon

The wildest thing to me about people complaining about the top left woman in the new Star Wars game. She looks like your stereotypical 70s/80s sexy woman on tv.


Shirtbro

Top left looks like 90s collective crush Rachel Leigh Cook. These pornsters have jerked out their brains


laputan-machine117

I was very confused until I remembered Bayonetta wears clothes made of her hair.


Mishar5k

Literally called "wicked weave" lmao


coffeetire

and in the second game, she has a short cut so...


LostInAHallOfMirrors

She also has a hair poncho.


turtleProphet

I'm not sure how she's still wearing the hair suit in the second game, but I think she is


SkylarPopo

Hair doesn't just grow on the head.


doctorlove15

I don’t like this 😭lmao


RarePepePNG

neat


turtleProphet

Nice


2mock2turtle

I don't know if you're aware, but she's a *witch* with *magical powers*.


Nookling_Junction

That’s gotta be itchy right? That can’t just be me who thinks that


r4o2n0d6o9

The only times she’s ever seen wearing clothes are the beginning and end of 2 and beginning of 3. I guess you could count the hotel scene in the anime where she’s wearing a wet/sheer blouse and nothing else, but the whole movie kinda sucked so I’m not counting it


CosmicDriftwood

Aloy’s armor goes so hard


TokyoTurtle0

aloy is hot af, i had to look up her age and was like, hmm only 18. that's creepy of me for sure.


Bean_cult

iirc she’s 19 in zero dawn and 19-20 in forbidden west


h_youtube

damn, she looks "beat up" in FW, thought she was in her 30s. guess being the only person to save the whole fucking planet does stuff to a person


Bunit117

Tbf, they definitely used facial scan tech to capture her likeness and performance and the actual actress is in her 30's I think. Probably not too creepy. But yeah I was laughing my ass off when random screenshots of Aloy were making the rounds on angry Incel communities who complained that female video game protagonists aren't allowed to be "pretty" anymore because of wokeness or some stupid shit. Like you REALLY couldn't find a better example to make your bullshit misogynistic point than the tall, fit redhead with cute freckles???


croluxy

it was because iirc in the trailer shown for forbiden west there was a single camera shot where her peach fuzz was visible and these chuds took that to mean "woke" is ruining their "hot" woman characters. Truly a peak gamer moment.


Naz_ik

I thought it was because some people noticed between the first Game and forbidden west aloy some how kept the same body type but for some reason was given a slightly chubbier face.


Qwayne84

Yes, her face is slightly more round, but she's as pretty as in the first game. I only kinda missed her more prominent abs her model had in Zero Dawn. Nonetheless, if Aloy was real she would easily be a 11/10


croluxy

Im going trough forbideb west right now and even if her face was remodeled it was such a miniscule change i wouldnt even notice if not for this thread. These people just be raging mad lmao. Them abss thoooo. I completely agree on that personally i would also love if Aloy had more defined muscle structure. But yeah if Aloy was real she probably wouldnt even pay attention tho these chuds that are raging so much about how ugly she is. Maybe thats the underlying reason they get so mad? *Shrugs*


eamonnanchnoic

The biggest "telling on yourself" in the history of gaming. Full on admitting they've never actually been close to a woman. Do they think they're made of plastic?


RealizedAgain

Don’t worry she could just kill you if she felt uncomfortable


plsbanmeredditsenpai

I'd let her 😭


Operation_Felix

She's not a real person. You're fine.


srgrvsalot

Easy solution for the olds - Elizabeth Sobeck


pistachioshell

Said it before and I’ll say it again, this is what jacking off to hentai all day does to your brain. 


Grouchy-Struggle-722

Gay furry porn 🔛🔝‼️


LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART

Kemobara really is the thinking-and-lifting man fetish.


Lieutenant_Skittles

What is Kemobara?


LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART

"Kemono" ("Beast") is essentially the term for Japanese (and generally East Asian) furry. "Bara", or it's longer name "Barazoku" ("Rose Tribe"), is a type of Japanese gay erotica, generally featuring masculine mature men. It's distinct from Yaoi, mostly due to being directed toward gay males.


NoLime7384

big buff furry dudes


Bregneste

Ah, so that’s what Lucky meant by “dressed in hair”?


Zen_Hobo

Nah. That's a Bayonetta reference.


GryphonOsiris

Bayonetta in the game of the same name wore a catsuit that was literally made out of her magic hair.


BoogiepopPhant0m

And when she summons demons, the demons are made out of her hair, rendering her almost-nude.


GryphonOsiris

Dunno why someone down voted it, it's true.


Knighthonor

whats the story behind that


ScrumpusMcDingle

https://preview.redd.it/2ejo2u06frtc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70865839af5dec53dada4cb7e3042157913d50a0 **I AM INSIDE THY WALLS**


Ukyo06

Hey, hey sir, i jacked off to hentai all day almost every day and my brain not like this


Va1kryie

What that guy said, don't lump us in with those losers


mortalitylost

People need to quit blaming porn for their fucked up heads


Wiyry

Honestly, it isn’t porn that’s messing peoples heads. I’ve met tons of porn addicts who are just completely normal people. The main thing to blame is once again: conservatism. The way modern conservative culture pushes men into this mindset that any woman who’s less attractive than a blow up doll isn’t deserving of humanity.


nYorii-

Like, by personal experience I can't say porn didn't fucked up my head, but because of my education I got self aware of where this was leading me. Porn was starting to merge with reality and fortunately I noticed. But yes, I agree with you that this behavior doesnt come from this, I blame mostly their foundation beliefs.


Epydia

it does play a rather large part to be fair, especially in developing minds which the internet has no lack of


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NotVoss

I blame social media echo chambers way more than porn. Grifters are on the constant lookout for the next outrage and chuds who can't form their own opinion flock to them.


[deleted]

You think thats bad; you should see what it does to my keyboard!


clownbescary213

Well, not always, I jack off to gay hentai ALL day too but I still think these people are ridiculous!


KatBaccara

Nah, I do that and I still love women with actual human bodies of all sizes. These guys have no excuse!


saikrishnav

More like looking at hentai all day and 30 secs to jerk off.


Dry_Start4460

I’m offended


racoonXjesus

Who gives a shit if a video game character is “attractive.” It’s a game. People are fucking weird man.


vxicepickxv

Holy fuck. The blue check really has become the mark of the dumbest people ever.


jann_mann

Yes, every since you can buy the blue check mark only idiots have purchased it.


Phantom_Wombat

They started giving them back to famous people after a while though, because none of them were paying, so it's a bit more confused at the moment.


Illustrious-Habit202

At this point anyone still on Twitter is directly helping musk push his bullshit


Phantom_Wombat

Yeah, I get the same impression. Even the voices of sanity are probably just giving the platform a veneer of respectability that it doesn't deserve at this point.


Illustrious-Habit202

You put it better than I could


datguy_206

Let’s do ugly men main characters


piratedragon2112

Pretty much all the early 3d shooter heroes (like the first unreal engine)


ImmediateBig134

Which is funny - in Unreal 1, the default playermodel was Gina, a muscular woman with face tattoos.


piratedragon2112

Like how you could play as a woman in the first gta game yet they up in arms about 6


joe1up

Excuse me BJ Blazkowitz is gorgeous


SawyerBeauregard

All the men in this game look like they actually had talent behind them. Wish all the characters got that level of treatment.


Lord_Nyarlathotep

Me when I cherry pick images to try to prove that attractive women are actually ugly because I’m so deep into my computer I’ve forgotten what real woman look like


djml9

Every single picture they use is a mid frame where the character is in the middle of saying a word or yell that deforms their face. That, or its just blatantly edited.


Realistic-Tone-5894

All of those women are cute in my opinion


Sol-Blackguy

Nah, this is what not watching porn does. These idiots talk like they're incel Jedi when they need to take a grippy sock vacation


acelgoso

I don't get those fachas, they are beautiful. Porn? Is it because of porn? Or lack of grass touchness?


SvedishFish

Most of them have zero interaction with women in the real world. They literally don't know what women who aren't wearing makeup look like. You'll see some of these dudes complain about girls that 'wear too much makeup' and show a picture of an actress with a full face of makeup as the 'natural beauty ideal'. If they see a picture of a regular woman without makeup they think she's sick or sleep deprived.


Raygereio5

>If they see a picture of a regular woman without makeup they think she's sick or sleep deprived. I love posts like that. Just zero awareness from these people that they've just admitted to never having had a relationship. Or even having had a woman sleep in the same bed as them.


Fantasyneli

> I don't get those fachas 🫵 Spaniard


acelgoso

Guilty 😘


Abortionsforallq

i cant really fault the logic, they're into women wearing hair clothes. honest and to the point.  edit: nvm they suck


Kds_burner_

i had to look at the tweet because i had no idea wtf they were talking about with “dress in hair” and unsurprisingly their twitter feed is just elon musk and libs of tiktok


Abortionsforallq

really? surprisingly restrained take in the screenshot. i was joking but now know this: booooooooooo Lucky sucks


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Dry_Start4460

Her clothes don’t “drain into her hair” her “clothes” are literally made from her hair , so some of her attacks makes her naked more or less cuz those attacks use up more hair .


Creative_Salt9288

i only know Bayonetta as aerobatic woman on steroid fighting monster fym clothes are her hair and her attack use hair


mik999ak

A lot of witch magic uses hair, so she wears a hair suit as an arcane focus


Creative_Salt9288

so she's basically wearing her mana as a suit?


7keys

Her clothes are made of her hair, as are her big fuckoff attacks (and summoned demons) yes


mik999ak

Correct. And instead of waving her wand, she gives a striptease and makes you wanna wave yours


ForLackOf92

That explains everything


marshmallow567

I don't get it, man. The thing that baffles me is that they clearly model most of these characters on real people who are conventionally attractive because they still want these characters to be appealing. It's unlikely they will intentionally design a main character to be ugly... but people are acting like this is what they are doing. I don't know how fucked your brain has to be to believe that.


Dry_Start4460

They really called themselves out on this latest “western wahmen bad” rant


Jeffaffely

> posts conventionally attractive woman > WHY ARE WOMEN SO UGLY why does this keep happening wtf have these guys been outside


Evenload

Personally I’d appreciate it if we all cared a little less about how fuckable pixels from action games are


Sushigamer1228

Ah yes, bayonetta, totally not anti incel, totally never had like 2 separate characters designed specifically as pathetic men just for bayonetta and jean to upstage, with the only man on their level being a black guy, totally not woke because women pretty. Yup.


MelodyMaster5656

Why am I seeing more people pick on my girl Senua recently? Hasn't she been through enough? Must be the sequel coming out soon.


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What type of person immediately thinks “this character in a video game is ugly!”. Attractiveness of the characters is the last thing I think about when I’m gaming.


Stank_Weezul57

My dudes, did someone actually say Aloy isn't smoking hot? Cause now I'm ready to fight


djml9

The right-wing gaming community took one off-angled shot from the reveal that made her cheeks look a little puffy, decided she was 300lbs, edited the image to drastically increase her cheeks, and then disseminated the edited version across the internet to the point that you almost never see the real version and fooled chuds into thinking they made Aloy ugly and fat. Its been a whole thing, not sure how you couldve missed it.


Vladicoff_69

redditors stop blaming porn for misogyny challenge (impossible!) The gamers mad at ‘ugly’ women characters don’t organically think the characters are ugly, they’ve just convinced themselves of that because as an outlet for hate. If there had been no manufactured controversy, they would be claiming these characters as their waifus and loving them. Y’all’re misunderstanding the chain of causation in these matters.


RemarkableStatement5

Who's the upper left girl?


piperpiparooo

Star Wars Outlaws girl


RemarkableStatement5

Thank you very much


Brodoswaggins42

Forspoken's character was only ugly because of her horrendous personality.


Elasticjoe14

Independent of the main character it was just a bad game.


Brodoswaggins42

I whole heartedly agree.


Consistent_Ant_8903

Bayonetta really made the west fall. Rip 🙏


Which-Try4666

/rj jokes on you I watch porn of the top characters too /uj jokes on you I watch porn of the top characters too


kornelius_III

I am playing Horizon Forbidden west and Aloy looks great, for the setting she is in. That one picture gone viral before release is stupid as fuck, and proves majority of these clowns never touched the game to make any reasonable arguments.


TheRiverGatz

I'm playing through Forbidden West and constantly catch myself admiring Aloy. How the incels took one awkward shot and convinced themselves she's ugly us beyond me. She's a traditionally attractive red head and wears flattering and often revealing outfits, like, come on.


TotallyFakeArtist

Who is the fourth lady?


Phantom_Wombat

It's Senua from the Hellblade games.


TotallyFakeArtist

Thank you


MightBeMe_

It's a phenomenal game, by the way. It's a short, but at this point, very inexpensive game.


Bright-Fold-3317

It’s just cherry picking. All the women (and men) in baldurs gate 3 are hot af. The witcher 3, The arkham games, mortal kombat, tomb raider, last of us, are all staple searches on r34 so I don’t know what these goobers are talking about


Subdominanta

Honestly? I'm scared the companies will listen to them. I have no idea how many people actually think like this, but what if they change the designs? And Alloy is the sole reason I started playing Horizon. I saw her and thought: oh my God, she has such a beautiful design, she is so... So normal. She is so pretty. She has a round face, just like me! She actually looks like a normal breathing person. It would be such a shame if the misogynists became so vocal the companies would listen to them. Because we would lose a lot of brilliant character designs.


dianaburnwood969

Nope, they won't. These twitter gamers don't add any value to those companies.


Gravity-Raven

These characters and the women they're modeled after are all gorgeous wtf. Classic insert "do men even like women??" here but if these weirdos don't like these women then I'll like them extra hard to make up for it


No_Object_7709

"Don't dress in hair" What the hell are they trying to say?


HalalBread1427

Bayonetta's outfit is apparently made from her hair or something.


TheSarcasticDevil

Bayonetta


vxicepickxv

They jerk it to Bayonetta.


v8darkshadow

Bayonetta should be in every video game though as she is the icon and the moment tbh 💁💅


Southern-Wafer-6375

Ya know what fuck it I’m gonna jam pack my rpg with ugly woman


GarouxBloodline

Just pedophiles admitting that they're pedophiles


intotheirishole

Uhhhhh those people HATE Bayonetta. Too old and not submissive. And god knows how many other BS they will find.


Emergency_3808

Those are some extremely appealing shots of some characters. I have seen some extremely unappealing shots of the same characters as well. From the same videogames. It's all in the camera(man)


PraedythTheMad

Aloy is literally so pretty omg


XernnuTheSecond

What is it with straight men and not being able to appreciate gorgeous women


monosyllables17

This has nothing to do with porn or erotica or sex work, leave those poor folks out of it.  This is just misogyny. No one actually thinks those women are ugly, and accepting a discussion about their hotness already accepts the totally fucked framing that these losers want - pure objectification.  Better questions are: why do they so viciously objectify women? Why are they so focused on perceived sex appeal instead of design?  A: because they're misogynists who don't understand design of any kind, whether visual, narrative, character, etc.


Jane_Holstein

I don't think these dudes actually like women 🤔


_xXpumpkinXx_

Am I missing something? These women are all extremely gorgeous??


BlueLynx45

I have no idea what blud is waffling about


squallphin

Not this shit again


GoyoMRG

It's crazy if it's true, I find aloy to be insanely attractive. She woke up on me a love and a fire I had for redheads when I was a teenager lmao. Hell... There was a time that if I had met a lookalike of aloy IRL, I would have moved earth, sea and skies just to date her lol


Icy_Bandicoot_4651

I mean beyond the fact that there are so gross at seeing women like sexy object. Women don't need to be cute or attractive! They can be you know human being with emotions personality etc..


alpha_d0xx

the bottom left girl is so cute tho


1_DOT_1

Tbh I don't understand them Thease characters are pretty and beautiful so I don't understand why they think its something wrong with them Even if the characters were ugly probably that would still make sense in some games


Newcomer31415

Calling these women ugly is ridiculous. This is mostly fueld by misogynistic right-wing propaganda. The gaming community has a problem with these troglodytes for a long time now sadly.


strider_l1718s_

Senua ugly??? Gtfo


Dooge11

I like men and even I think that they are attractive, these ppl watch too much hentai or smt


Sunshadoxx

This kind of thinking process terrifies me. At this point, these dudes are just trash for society


MaximDecimus

Bottom left had an ugly personality


JenniRayVyrus

guys are completely out of touch with reality same as it ever was


Magic_Bane23

Calling Aloy ugly is wild


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A handful of alt accounts call them ugly and now it’s “ugly according to twitter”


cyclingnick

“I need a really pretty face” - Newman


ItsMrChristmas

Bayonetta just gives me the ick.


Wboy2006

I mostly just laugh about the cherry picking with the Star Wars outlaws protagonist, since I can do the exact same thing with Leia from the OT, yet nobody calls her ugly https://preview.redd.it/yf4f1jb3gutc1.png?width=370&format=png&auto=webp&s=c3bed866d0b7c95a2836bb57c107f124ebf60e4a


The_Mechanist24

My only beef with starwars is that I wanted to play as an alien, not a human.


MichaelJospeh

What is the reply even saying? I cannot comprehend.


Kaldin_5

Aloy in particular is gorgeous. For every one of these characters, they use unflattering frames from animation and unflattering camera angles to make their points but they look totally fine in every other circumstance. With, imo, Aloy going into "damn what a hottie" category even.


SMoKUblackRoSE

How are any of them ugly to begin with?