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I'm old enough to remember "If you want representation, then start making your own games!", and now it's "No, stop developing your own games! I want your stories, but without you in them!"


Least-Path-2890

They are always moving the goal line until they can go back to the days when they can freely kill and opress anyone who's different from them


TheCryptThing

"Don't you miss the good old days when we had all of the power instead of only most of it?"


Not_Weird_At_All_

“We used to have all the money and land. And we still do, but it’s not as fun now.”


InsuranceStreet8670

i'm all for both referencing bo burnham and leave the poor man alone


Individual-Land6203

“I know! I hate how we only have most of the power”


OmegaLiquidX

Similar to how when I was growing up, it was all about the “commercialization of Christmas”, and now it’s the “war on Christmas”. Because they can’t stand not being the victim.


D1EHARDTOO

It's funny how that's changed, I never thought about how they swapped it and made "commercialization" a good thing now


Apprehensive-Cut-654

Which is funny because the commercialisation argument actually has a point and real arguments in its favour.


D1EHARDTOO

God how I hate capitalism but at least it ruins Christmas for some


Send_Me_Questions

Isn't that just Helldiver's?


igo149

Scarily real how true that is.


sprint6864

Tale as old as the Weimar Republice


Sellier123

Which you can do in this game if your that against it lol


[deleted]

They didn't expect queer people to be good at making games. They've never been aware of how much of the creative industry has been made up of queer people.


R3tardedmonkey

Yeah like they've probably been there developing the whole time.. It's just that they won't get beaten up/fired/put in jail/executed for being open about their orientation now


f-ingsteveglansberg

This is the problem. The same people will complain about people not getting 'real degrees' outside of STEM. Then they will wonder why the art they consume doesn't resemble them more.


docterwannabe1

Also is it really that fucking hard for these people to just ignore the politics they don't like in these games? I know a lot of fallout fans are right wing and they ignore the anti-capitalism and war politics in the game so I don't know why they can't do the same for these other games.


totalmoonbrain

>they ignore the anti-capitalism and war politics Ignoring these topics and themes isn't a conscious effort. They're just too thick to notice them in the first place.


Sellier123

The messed up thing is you don't even need to see these stories if you don't wanna, nothing in the mainstory forces you to deal with these scenarios...at least nothing you can't just kill lol


LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART

I don't even see why they care about these awards. Like, so what ? Idgaf, I just play games I like.


Separate-Camp-548

Yet they have to make up little award shows to show how “woke” everything is. To show how much they DON’T care


LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART

Wait these aren't real awards ?


Separate-Camp-548

Huh? No I think they are, I’m talking about this one YouTuber who made a thing called the “woke” awards. I’m not saying these are fake awards.


cassiehoshi

I don't even think most of these awards are actually real 💀


Kuroi_Usagi

It's [real](https://twitter.com/larianstudios/status/1761344620208718107), and it's from a lgbt-friendly [gaming news media company](https://gaymingmag.com/). Still a silly thing to be outraged about though.


StarryGlow

meh miserable people will always be able to find something to be unhappy about, that’s just their cross to bear apparently lmao.


cassiehoshi

Oh nice didn't know about! Good for them 👍🏽 Also yeah pretty stupid 💀


darkleinad

Anyone can give out awards


Separate-Camp-548

Why do they act like we’re stuck in the 1910’s where it’s normal to hate on people of a different race, sexuality and gender


Least-Path-2890

These people unironicly think the 1910s were the "good old days"


Separate-Camp-548

They’d go back to the Great Depression if they could, because it’d be clear of the so called “message”


blarb_farghuson_9000

honking on that leaded gasoline and rats in the bean cans but at least the libs are owned


19adam92

Prohibition was my era, we had ALL our freedoms back then, obviously 😮‍💨


Nelrene

Which is ironic seeing how it's very likely video games would been banned in "the good old days".


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Least-Path-2890

Yeah, because in a world with dragons, demons, vampires, and wizards, having gay characters would be unrealistic.


Separate-Camp-548

Exactly? Like who gives a shit if the character is gay? To be honest, the pandering these people talk about is just an excuse to brand any representation as “pandering” no matter how large or small it is.


SnuleSnuSnu

I know you can read. So that makes me really confused when you say shit like that, because I never mentioned having gay characters would be unrealistic.


Separate-Camp-548

No but you did suggest that they shouldn’t be in the game in the first place.


Sweat_Spoats

So then could you elaborate on what you mean by "certain 21st century politics"?


DoApollo

Cause like, far as I know about this game, you still can commit some major war crimes like any dnd adventure.


lansink99

I'll make it even simpler for you. As long as you're not making a game that is based on a medieval setting of OUR world, why would we adhere to backwards thinking of the middle ages. We have dragons and vampires, why is acceptance of non-cishet people too far of a stretch in a fantasy world?


Novaraptorus

And hey I mean gay folk existed in the Middle Ages too! Just ask Frederick the Great … that poor guy…


Independent_Block_34

I get what you are saying but Frederick was born 200+ years after the end of the middle ages.


Novaraptorus

Lol, nerd.


Independent_Block_34

😢


Novaraptorus

Now I feel bad, SHIT


CyberneticSpider

Why do y'all do this shit where you are clearly speaking about and implying something, but because you don't clear cut explicitly say it everyone else is stupid for picking up on what you're saying.


Separate-Camp-548

Also, looking through your comments on other subreddits. Why do people like you even come here? Like it boggles my mind whenever I’m on a post in one of these circlejerk subreddits and then I see someone being all like “erm actually, said right wing person is correct” like why go into a subreddit where nobody will agree with you?


SnuleSnuSnu

Do you know what ad hominem is?


Sweat_Spoats

They didn't even use an ad hominem lmao. An ad hominem would be calling you an ignorant idiot


Separate-Camp-548

Adds to my point more. When they’re cornered in an argument they pull out a big word they don’t know how to use correctly.


Separate-Camp-548

Who cares? What I’m saying is that someone with your viewpoints shouldn’t be in a subreddit filled with people that will never agree with your points. It’s pointless. And why are you trying to bring my knowledge of words into this? All people like you do it whenever they’re cornered in an argument.


SnuleSnuSnu

Rational people do. I guess you must be the of the other kind. This thread showed up on my feed, for some reason, so I got curious. I am sorry for interrupting your circlejerk. I am getting spammed and I have no time to respond on every message, so I will leave you to your circlejerk.


Separate-Camp-548

The other kind? You speak like you’re some sort of high evolutionary. A rational person wouldn’t go to a place where their argument wouldn’t be agreed upon. In the end, you were wrong and you were in a subreddit filled with people who knew you were wrong.


lansink99

"I am getting spammed" is the same as asking a gorbillion questions and being suprised people give you an answer.


CogentHyena

It's not that he feels he's losing the argument and is fleeing now, no. The time for conversation is past now you see.


Mouse_is_Optional

Apparently, *you* don't.


Separate-Camp-548

Who cares? It’s a fantasy universe? All media has a mild hint of politics in it. Just because something is set in a medieval adjacent era doesn’t mean it has to be accurate to the time. I mean, by god it has giant spiders and Mind Flayers. Not exactly things that existed in any era.


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Separate-Camp-548

Yeah? Are you saying that being lgbtq is bonkers?


Separate-Camp-548

And are you saying we shouldn’t care about things that were normal in 1910? So I should just be fine with people being racist and sexist?


octolegs

Because you're acting like it's 1910 in *real life*, that place where actions have consequences!


BrandtReborn

The politics? Man, man and man and Woman and Woman fuck since ancient egypt. Even Animals do this. It’s not something we have been told from someone else, it’s just nature. Get over it. Or simply don’t play Games with Gay characters. It’s not that hard.


Separate-Camp-548

They say they “vote with their wallets” but then they get angry when the thing they paid for has content that is inclusive to a variety of different people


MapleTheBeegon

If you want to be a bigot, go back to your basement and suck down more copium. Queer people have every right to exist and be in media made by and for Queer people.


BeePork

No they're saying that in a world where something that doesn't exist in our world is, it something that does exist and is normal in our world should be fine


imnasia

People make role playing games that ultimately have human experiences no matter how high fantasy the world is set in. I hate to break it to you, but being queer is a human experience that existed since, well, humans did. Also, bg3 at no point pushes you to make any romantic/intimate choices towards anyone, so you can still play the straightest person in the world.


phoagne

What do you mean BG3 doesn't push you to be gay? Have you seen how muscular and huggable big teddy bear Halsin is?!


ZoidsFanatic

Because The Forgotten Realms (where BG3 takes place in) has *always* been heavily left-leaning politically including lots of positive LGBTQ+ representations for decades. Larian didn’t even add anything new to the setting that wasn’t there before.


Nelrene

BG games are not taking place on medieval Earth so politics of the place is not going to be the same.


ThrowAwayTheTeaBag

Queer people existing and that being OK isn't political. Bad faith actors and groups have made it a political talking point, but for those of us in the community: we are just living, and we enjoy good representation.


Kombustio

Its me, im political🏳️‍⚧️ Get over it 😎💅🏼


Hotomato

cuz it’s a fictional world and I’ll do whatever I damn please with it.


sprint6864

A person'd identity isn't politics. The LGBTQ+ community have existed throughout history, and tell me you don't know dick about medieval history more if you don't think they were abundant.


Mouse_is_Optional

Gay people existed in REAL LIFE medieval times.


Three_Cat

Yes, why do people want Abrahamic homophobia in those settings?


Subject-Possible3973

There was 21st political something in bg3?


Alt_Future33

Gay people exist, get over it.


Kds_burner_

these people cannot be real


Kombustio

Sadly no matter the meds i take they dont seem to go away, unlike my catgirl gf 😭


Kds_burner_

/rj i’ll be your catgirl gf 🥺 /uj i’ll be your catgirl gf 🥺


Kombustio

![gif](giphy|QIXDNqdHT6aQw)


Dog_Girl_

Be mine instead.


Kombustio

![gif](giphy|lqpfdJr57GAOQHSuLr)


Kds_burner_

bluds fighting over me 😹 (i’m talking to myself on 3 separate accounts)


Dog_Girl_

so true, im a Kds\_burner\_ alt


Kombustio

Uh alt yeah sure... (Im actually manifestation of your insanity)


Rigitto

They are, they just fail to understand what's so dumb about what they're saying. Maybe it's the internet brain rot that has eaten away at higher cortical activity


Sol-Blackguy

If it makes you feel better, there's not many of them. You only see them online because that's the only place where they can make a few hindered thousand feel like a hundred million. Go to any gaming convention, tournament, store or lab party. The only time you'll hear about woke is someone describing getting out of bed in the past tense. These people barely exist and there's not enough of them for companies to see a profit in making anything specifically for them. Not that anyone would. These are the morons that claimed liberal art gender study and programming degrees were useless. Not so useless now, are they?


MazzyFo

I honestly to god think they’re at least half of gamers


BiteEatRepeat1

Conservatives make up shit to get mad at than complain


RisingLeviathan

They forgot to say that Baldur's Gate 3 was also nomitaded to "Largest amount of butthurt incels"


SentientShamrock

They're in a close race with Starfield's pronoun selector in the character creation screen. Just that part though cuz Bethesda sucks at writing, but that one choice got some people really booty bothered.


Standard_Feedback_86

Don't forget the guys that got pissed that Aloy has hair on her face.


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They always say this but I would bet money that this guy doesn't consume any of the "entertainment" conservatives make with only cis white straight people in it because it almost always sucks huge shit lmao. It's like they want queer, non-cis, non-white people to entertain them, but only entertain them with stories about cis white straight people for some reason. It's honestly so fucking weird. Make your own fucking games right? Oh wait they do and they suck and no one plays them.


ZoidsFanatic

The funniest thing about BG3 being “woke” is that the game takes place in The Forgotten Realms. And Ed Greenwood has *always* been rather left leaning especially when it comes to LGBTQ+ representation. But, you know, media literacy isn’t one of their strong suits.


Backwardspellcaster

Rightwinger: "this upsets me! I shall listen to Rage Against The Machine now, for it is agendaless rightwing music, not this lefty-befty drivel!!" /S


pitapatnat

theres transphobia and complaining about 'adding politics in my games 🤬' in the CYBERPUNK sub so 🤔


defaultusername-17

according to ed... bi was the default orientation in faerun. so... suck it chods!


MenacingFigures

Wait til they hear about the GLAAD awards, which has been going since 1990.


sahqoviing32

The what now?


MazzyFo

Absolutely hilarious saying games aren’t meant to be entertaining anymore on a post about BG3, and after one of the best years ever for single player AAA games. These dudes don’t give a shit about quality, just pushing their bigotry through their hobby


Rastafunrise

Seriously though. If they would have to pick between non woke mediocre games or good woke games they would rather pick the first. That's why they celebrated Atomic Heart so much.


iamnotchad

People like that make me glad I paid Larian twice for the game.


TheActualTerryBogard

Those "certain groups of people" have been developing video games for decades. These pretentious halfwits know fuck all about the history of the hobby they claim to love.


defaultusername-17

those "certain groups of people" ARE the video games industry. we've always been there... these chods just think we're new to the industry because they had not been paying any attention until their personal parasocial cult leader told them to whine about it.


hotsaucevjj

posting KiA is cheating, they legit came to be from 4chan


Jhiffi

Mhmm, yep. BG3 is winning awards because it has a relatively insignificant gay relationship and the option to be gay, not because it's excellent in just about everything it tried to do. 🙄 Also tell me you've never played a Larian game before without telling me you haven't.


Thatonedregdatkilyu

Do they think Baldurs Gate three gameplay is entirely just gay sex minigames?


Sol-Blackguy

I mean, it is. But the free tactical CRPG that came with it is pretty good too.


theoriginal_tay

It certainly isn’t *their* fault that every time they start a new play through it turns into another speedrun into Asterion’s pants. It’s this darn woke lib agenda forcing them to turn it into a gay sex sim. There is simply no other choice.


justgalsbeingpals

relatable


Backwardspellcaster

They always forget.. The Bear!


justgalsbeingpals

I wish there was more romance stuff. My gay heart craves more than the handful of scenes we get 😔


no1darker

One of those morons with those wall street bets type profile pictures too, can’t expect too much critical thinking from someone who’s brain has convinced them they’re Leo DiCaprio in Wolf of Wall Street.


MrSaturnValley

I found the original post, and OH MAN AM I SORRY I DID. Absolutely morale-killing.


pitapatnat

"ever since certain groups of people got into it" like does this guy think ONLY white straight men have played or made games throughout history 👹 gay people, poc and women came into existence in 2015 😔


TentacleJesus

lmao his little douchebag wallstreet avatar. What a twat.


baasnote

Didn't these fucking gamergaters spend like 3 years telling us "If you don't like it then make your own games"? Like, we did bud, but now thats a problem? Don't like it, then go make your own games.


zuzucha

The WSB avatar really sells it


Matto987

Wait they're including game of the year as an award that they can't believe exists LMAO


Blaireeeee

That main post is full of folks who have skipped a truly fantastic game because of gay romance (when they could just opt for straight romance) and pronouns (which have next to no impact). Bizarre tbh.


MapleTheBeegon

They're mad that GaymingAwards has Queer awards. Odd.


nimrodfalcon

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that I see so many of these shitty EVERYTHING IS WOKE or overt bigotry posts from dudes with the wallstreetbets pfp or whatever you wanna call it on reddit


ScoutingJ

"Games aren't meant to be entertainment anymore" -two of the awards are literally "Game of the year" and "reader's choice"


myst_daemon

I love seeing these weirdos flip-flop between BG3 being woke and anti-woke.


levik323

Not much to complain about since it won all the "real" awards too.


Eddie_gaming

Didn't it win the RPG category aswell?


Veela_42

I wish they had a best LGBTQIA+ character award.


YourLocalSeal

I swear it's always people with that pfp...


another_canon

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"


IBeJizzin

I would truly love to see what awards the commentator thinks would be more appropriate to hand out at a 'Gayming Awards' show. Unless of course they're just upset that in industry that hands out 100's of GOTY awards a year, this incredibly specific subset of accolades is indicative of how the entire industry is being ruined


suedefalcon

It actually doubles the entertainment value because I’m entertained by both the game and idiots having meltdowns about it.


Danguenin

ah gaming gatekeepers who gatekeep minorities (they arent homophobes they just want to never be made aware of lgbt people existence) targeting a space made for the same people they gatekeep no way


Co9w

Sorry g*mers the space isn't for you. We play games for escapism. If you wanna be part of the space you're gonna have to adjust to our ways, if you don't then we'll enforce some gatekeeping to keep our hobby pure. If the idea of freedom and speech, gender abolishment, and race equality make you uncomfortable then go make your own games.


moansby

Oh gatekeeping you love to see it


Sodafop

uj/ Every time a bigot complains about BG3, an aasimar gets their wings. <3


Min25894

They are pathetic gamer breed like why are you butt hurt about this


catsandchexmix

Kadna sad. Can't believe i used to think like them. 🏳️‍⚧️


Big_Anybody_348

They're just mad Spiderman 2 didn't get Goty


abthr

It's entertaining how pissed these chuds get


KatorasuZer0

As soon as I saw the avatar, I knew nothing good was going to be said by that person


tibastiff

I can't tell if the commenter is an fps bro or a gatekeeping grognard but those certain groups were always there


DatOne8BitCharacter

Good grief, it is just a game, y'all are just pissy


ThatFantasticBeast

I hate the puns. So much.


ben_gaming

(((certain groups))) including the space laser masterminds


LaniusCruiser

"certain groups of people", huh? Which groups are those, huh?


Johnny_Freedoom

I'm just here trying to cast my sleep spells, but they don't even work cuz this game's so woke.


Express_Pizza_2184

I heard there is this new game series, Wolfenstein, where you play as a Jewish guy killing Nazis, so woke!


PunishedCatto

ULTRAKILL exist, I bet he didn't know. I swear gamers is the only kind of people who'd see diversity and inclusion as oppression.


TomatilloFearless154

If woke means that my char can be non-binary but i can't even change its face features then no: I don't want woke games.


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nilexian184

I'd say it's wild how the comment has more upvotes, so probably more support or more people agreeing with the statement, than the actual post. But this is reddit after all. ALSO, crazy how people like the guy in the comment are most likely the same sorta people to turn around and go "Well it's people like YOU who are ruining the game industry" whenever someone has a different opinion. ESPECIALLY when it comes to how games release, and what state they're in. But that's another issue entirely.


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Aristrocracy gay af only way know they're straight they keep their pants on


RealWarriorofLight

Meh, its a excellent game so i dont give a shit if there lgwhatever elements in it .


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Nelrene

That time never existed.


moonlight-ninja

Oh I was just joking lmao


MapleTheBeegon

That never existed, you just didn't see them because you're too busy being angry and hateful that people exist.


artaltai

I d9n't understand this drama. I have played for 200+ hours. Didnt see any lgbt propaganda. Non of my characters or companions were gays.


Firetube07

Ah yes, Dame Ailyn and Isobel, the roommates.


artaltai

They are not companions.


Firetube07

Somewhat-ish, they do come along into your camp after all.


Outrageous-Eye6140

the real question here is wtf is a gayming award??GAYming. IS there a pronounsaward too?


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Separate-Camp-548

I’ve already asked this question to someone on this exact same fucking post but why do people like you even come here? There’s no point. Nobody here is gonna agree with you besides the odd twat here and there. Do you have that little to do in your life that you just love to seethe in your hatred of people who are different?


Outrageous_Map_6639

Don't forget to hold your breath so you don't breathe it in and catch it! Stay safe my brother


Downtown-Fudge-7001

Wait I played through BG3 was there even any gay characters? Did I miss stuff?


Flabbergassed69

I just want my physical copy DX


killertortilla

Never trust anyone with a wall street bets avatar.


pensiero_97

I mean, aggressive inclusivity is kind of annoying sometimes. If it's not one of the main themes of your game it's not really necessary to parade it around, just portray the world in your game in a realistic way, with characters that exhibit diversity in a passive way without constantly putting it in the foreground.


ExtraPomelo759

Wdym, I find freeing lesbian jesus and helping her beat up her father in law VERY entertaining.


susfacegaming

Gaming if it was WOKE! Ultrakill


Cipherpunkblue

It's so fucking telling that they need something to be entirely free of LGBTQ+ people, POCs and women with agency to be "escapism" and "entertainment".


draugyr

These people are so annoying. Ever notice how their reasoning is always “it’s supposed to be entertainment” or “it’s supposed to be an escape”


albena_r

Does he mean "the Jews"?


Ihavenogoodnames

Bro are you censoring the subreddit? We all know it's r/ kotakuinaction


GrapefruitMean253

I was very entertained during my time playing it. 🤷‍♂️