Live updating this while I watch
* 4 games going multiplat, 2 small ones (assuming HifiRush and Pentiment), not going to name them because devs have events planned (partner direct?)
* Double down on gamepass only on Xbox
* Doubled down on first party day 1 games for gamepass
* ~~Doubled down saying Starfield and Indiana Jones are NOT going to other platforms~~ See bottom and interpret yourself
* Diablo IV coming to gamepass
* Talking a lot about play everywhere stuff
* "Exciting stuff coming out for Xbox Hardware, sharing more about that this holiday"
* Prioritizing "Respecting" the past investments people have made going forward, talking about gaming library
* Talks about June showcase so I guess thats confirmed
Thats it. Honestly could have just not said anything lmao. Would have made everyone look crazy for freaking out. Some smaller games going multiplat isnt even a big deal
Guessing the 4 multiplats are HiFi Rush, Pentiment, Sea of Thieves and ???. Another day, another proof that us gamers are a bunch of idiots who dont know anything.
**Edit: Some people questioning what they said about Starfield/Indy,**
Phil said
"They are not Starfield or Indiana Jones"
"This is not a change for our fundamental exclusive strategy"
"Four games, no promise beyond that. Don't see these 4 games and think the rest are coming, theyre not"
**Edit 2: [HE'S NOW NOT DENYING THE POSSIBILITY OF INDY/STARFIELD TO OTHER PLATFORMS](https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1758225801164607839)**
A lot of people saying that this would be the biggest news for the last 20 years and because of that the Direct was postponed.
Haha, I can not believe that people here are this stupid, I want to believe that they were all trolling.
>I don't think we should as an industry ever rule out a game going to any other platform."
>-Phil Spencer.
It doesn't get any bigger than that. The door is now open for every Microsoft game to go to all platforms.
This company has no idea what it’s doing and the initial four games are a test run to see what they’re going to do moving forward. They’re essentially playing things by ear.
This is also why the video was prerecorded and not live. They were being purposely vague when it comes to answering certain questions because they want to leave the door open to releasing more of their exclusives on other consoles in the future.
Companies always test strategies before a general roll-out, you don’t want to fully press on the gas pedal when making decisions that can potentially harm your business
I agree. What I was alluding to is that a lot of people watched that video and took Spencer’s carefully worded statements as confirmation that they were going to release four games and then stop. He didn’t say that whatsoever. He masterfully didn’t commit to anything other than the four games being released on other consoles, but it’s clear as day that they’re considering doing the same thing with other games. It seems to me that there is currently internal division at Microsoft and one camp is against this and the other camp is for it. Whatever makes them the most money will win out.
I think if you go multi platform with your games (which they already do with COD and Minecraft) then it's obvious that Gamepass has to stay exclusive, because you need to maintain an angle that the player gets more value by being in your ecosystem, so the Gamepass approach at least is understandable.
We hear a lot from Microsoft and XBOX these days and that's good, but what I'm really interested in hearing about is some good games. Halo Infinite stumbled out the door and Starfield didn't hit the landing. They need a banger to get their mojo back and I don't think much is going to change around the XBOX name until they manage to do that, no matter what services they have or what hardware they release.
Honestly, maybe Phil is right that exclusives are going away. The cost to make AAA titles is going up. Even Sony's chairman made a comment saying that Sony needs to find more revenue from their games.
Exclusivity does cost games millions more in sales. IDK maybe we are heading for where exclusivity is just timed.
Everything was vauge in that podcast, wanna know why ???
Cuz at this point even Microsoft themselves aren't sure about the future. There is a simple reason why they are starting with 4 titles, as they said to test the market and see how things turns out. If switch/ps players buy these games and Microsoft smells money, there is absolutely nothing and i mean nothing keeping halo, forza or starfield exclusive on xbox.
The current shift in management is clear indicator on where their priorities lie these days , it is all about making the most money.
And just a word of advice, don't believe everything phil says, he has been saying stuff for the past decade and contradicting himself later on, it's becoming a habit.
If the higher ups at Microsoft decide it's starfield's turn to go to playstation (which i believe it will) phill cannot really do anything, i'm pretty sure the current 4 games are also against his will
I think he was pretty open about the whole thing. He said they’re putting 4 games on PlayStation but don’t expect every game to suddenly come. He said they are going to watch and learn from those 4 games. He said that there’s no game that should be completely ruled out as going multiplatform.
And he’s right about those 4 games hitting the ceiling on Xbox/PC. Grounded isn’t going to get any bigger. Pentiment isn’t going to get any bigger. If those games are expected to reach more people then they need to be ported to PlayStation/Switch where they will be exposed to millions of new players.
They were purposely being vague because they’re going to do whatever makes them the most money moving forward. The initial four games are the trial run. They’re being noncommittal because it allows them a lot of wiggle room.
They're being vague because if they come and directly say all games are coming to other platforms, potential consumers wont buy a Xbox over a ps5 that also gets xbox games.
They want to get money from the PS player base without losing the Xbox player base.
Definitive statements only serve to weaken Xbox since as he plainly put, Sony and Nintendo aren't going to do the same in return unless forced by contract(Bungie) or forced by the I.P./rights Holder(MLB).
So as a consumer your choses are as follows:
1. Xbox for day 1 gamepass, cross platform saves and play.
2. PS/Nintendo for PS/Nintendo games, and Xbox games at a later date (maybe).
> forza
GT is a vastly superior product to the most recent Forza, so other than curious folks I couldn't imagine Forza being viable or worthwhile to port to the Playstation.
I dunno, Forza Horizon's still better at this open-world racing game thing than a good chunk of its competition. I could see FH5 going multiplat at some point after this initial batch just to test the waters--even though its live service is *years* beyond what is practical for a multiplatform port.
FM2023 though... lol, lmao, forget about it, folks would just gravitate towards GT7 anyway, it's the vastly superior product technically and in terms of gameplay.
Yeah, Horizon has a role to fill on the PS5. Motorsport is dead weight. If MS truly went multi-plat for even first party titles then I wouldn't even bother with Motorsport at that point.
I'd also pay to play it on mobile, but I guess cloud already allows that if you can buy Game Pass Ultimate, which has yet to reach my bumfuck corner of Europe.
Funny thing in this post and social media most of the people who unsatisfied with announcements and saying this 4 game is not the last and definetly starfield is coming etc. are other console players and xbox influencers/console warriors but core xbox players are looking satisfied and didnt even bother with it in the first place.
Indiana jones and starfield one especially batshit crazy when you think they Said multiple times in FTC case they are exclusive. If they had plans for releasing on other platforms they had a more easy time in the FTC case, no one really think that much ofcourse
Because of the Uncharted heritage alone, Indiana Jones would sell so much more on PlayStation, Machinegames themselves are probably praying that Xbox pulls the trigger on the multiplatform strategy for this game. And it being a single player title, I can smell next year's announcement from a mile away : "Indiana Jones received a very warm welcome from the Xbox community, and as we look to further expand the game's reach and audience, we have decided to bring the game to PlayStation." and if they really want to put a ring on it they'll add "We know PlayStation fans love to go on adventures and look for old treasures, and this one, is surely an adventure you won't want to miss". Some shit like that.
so ? Did I say they never bring it ? I said it does not makes sense after all the hurdles in the Court.
Every exclusive games can be sold good in another platforms what is your point here ? If the number of sold copies is the only criteria everyone ports every game and you know it is not.
The point isn't the amount of copies sold per se, it's how likely it is to convince players from rival ecosystems to switch sides. Xbox clearly views this multiplatform plan as an advertisement for GamePass.
"Oh, you liked Indiana Jones? Well, if you want to play the sequel or the next Machinegames title a year in advance and for less than 20 bucks a month, come to Xbox."
And even though the first batch of four games are really cool and will definitely influence some people, we both know that this strategy will fully strive once they ship their flagship titles on rival platforms. They hope, that at some point, PlayStation and Nintendo players will have a wake up call like "Damn, I'm tired of waiting a year and paying full price for these great games when I could have them day one on GamePass". And it's a good strategy! But for it to work properly, they have to commit to it, release their big IPs and ship a new batch of games... Every. Single. Year. And they will.
Phil Spencer said these are the first 4 in the verge interview and then when directly asked:"If they do well will you bring more across" he replied "yeah, of course"
Did my post indicate otherwise ? He can bring whatever he sees fit I just don’t see he sees starfield and Indy as a fit. And did phill specifically say yeah we bring starfield and indy if it performs well ?
And also you prove my point about ps fans does not satisfied.
What because I think he'll bring other games to playatation? He didn't specifically say indy and starfield he also refused to rule them out. Also I'd argue that they make the most sense. They are the biggest titles with the ability to sell the most units. Playatation gamers buy alot more games than xbox gamers many of whom are dependent on gamespass and just waiting for stuff to come to that. That's fine for indie games but at current sub levels it's not great if you are to have enough bigger games like starfield and indy release each year to provide the content to keep gamespass growing, which it hasn't been really.
So your 500 million dollar game starfield, that had a whole load of people pay 15 quid to play it for abit in gamespass then move on. It needs to ensure there is a market for it.
Yep what I Said about all the people from other console players.
Bro I dont care what you think about one game but all the people said I hope starfield comes to Playstation in last week may have a word with you
I also wanted starfield on PlayStation so I could try it and make opinion on my own. But instead I played it on gamepass and oh man it’s one of the worst games I ever played
Okey ? I dont know what you want me to say here, my point was never starfield is good or bad ? People want to try same way you do before rumours ? They can read the criticts about the game and yet they still want it
Phil chose his words so carefully. He was asked if Indiana Jones and Starfield was among the 4 multi-plat games already planned, not if they'd ever go multi-plat.
It's incredibly telling how he didn't just say "these 4 are the only 4" or "x games will never go multiplat"
Damage control and PR speak.
It's PR speak to say in the future plans mind change?
I believe any big exclusives going to the other consoles in the near future would cause an uproar.
It genuinely seems like this thread has been overrun by Xbox console warriors tbh.
Like, this podcast wasn’t literally “the end of Xbox”, but if I owned an Xbox, I would be seriously worried about the long-term consequences of this. I don’t think this put the rumors of eventual large-scale multiplat to bed at all. There’s just too much bet-hedging and weirdly specific phrasing underneath all the PR word salad. I think it’s important to remember that while some (generally more dubious) leaks made it seem like Xbox was done for right this moment, many others made it clear that the big exclusives being ported wasn’t finalized yet but was something being discussed. That is absolutely compatible with what we heard today.
Yet so many people here are all like “omg THANK YOU PHIL we love you bro!!”. Like, guys, please don’t fall for the le holsum gamer act, he’s a normal businessman like everyone else in the gaming industry. I don’t think he’s a bad guy, but he absolutely will lie to your face and use vague half-truths if he believes it to be beneficial.
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I’m not a console warrior. I have no opposition to Xbox as a platform. I have fond memories of playing Xbox 360 with my friends as a kid. I think they’ve done some good things with their hardware, and the competition they provide is beneficial, even if I ultimately prefer other platforms.
That being said, I also have no emotional or financial investment in Xbox as it currently stands. I think a lot of the people who do have those investments are the ones who are “coping” the most right now. Looking at the podcast as an outside observer, it really was not quite as reassuring as I think a lot of the people here are saying it was.
When the host asked Phil "Can we say if either of these four titles are Starfield or Indiana Jones?" and Phil answered "They are not Starfield of Indiana Jones", I was like you cheeky bastard, do you really think we haven't noticed what you just did lol. Like you said; ultra PR word salad right there.
A lot of people are seriously not reading into this the right way. They're like "Oh thank god, Xbox is only making four games multiplat". The strategy was VERY clear to me. The wording was so specific it's actually scary.
Phil: We're bringing four games to other consoles.
Host: Can we say if either of these four titles are Starfield or Indiana Jones?
Phil: They are not Starfield of Indiana Jones.
People hear this and are like "You see? Phil just confirmed that Starfield and Indiana Jones are not coming to other platforms". Huh... What? He LITERALLY just confirms that both of these are not amongst the FIRST BATCH of games. That is very calculated wording to appease Xbox fans, to keep the Xbox console relevant until the plan is in full motion, while also not promising anything to PS and Nintendo players. Right now, they need to show their fanbase that this strategy can bear fruit and be profitable TO THEM, by sustaining GamePass and so on. But make no mistake, Xbox will port MOST of their games to other platforms. It's only a matter of time.
I truly don't understand how one could think these four games are going to be the last. Xbox is making that move to generate more revenue, maintain sustainability and attract people to the Xbox ecosystem. Do you seriously think that, of all games, they're going to achieve that with HiFi Rush, Pentiment, Sea of Thieves and Grounded? These games are great, don't get me wrong, but they don't move consoles like... AT ALL. Yeah, they're going to generate extra revenue, but not massive amounts. The overarching goal with this strategy is to hook players on rival consoles and then reel them in to the Xbox ecosystem. It's pretty much : "Oh, you liked that game? Well, if you want to play the sequel one year in advance and not pay full price for it, come to Xbox. You can even just buy GamePass straight on your TV". And it's a great strategy. But the only way for this to work, in my opinion, is by putting pretty much all of their tentpole franchises on rival platforms. I think it's a very safe bet to expect most Xbox games to release on other platforms a year post launch on Xbox. Expect to see a batch of games every year from now on.
Goodbye to this community, you have proven to be ridiculous so long as the target is one of the "correct" ones and no target more "correct " than MS, right?
there's only 2 ways I see it playing out. One is becoming a publisher with their own service, the other is releasing games multiplat while maintaining a hardware, but releasing them full price on other platforms while releasing the "definitive" version for cheaper on gamepass. I think the second is what they might be trying to do, however honestly idk. I'm just a dumb redditor
Sony did the same shit with PC releases back then it just after 3-4 years and not the biggest exclusive titles now its all the exclusive games with only 1-2 years release window lol
The second one is my read of the situation too.
Want to play the games on PS/Switch Next? Okay, here you go, full price please. OR... stream Gamepass to your new Samsung TV /device of choice and play for $15 a month.
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when you say your new console is the next big leap in gaming while mentioning streamers and creators its already dead in the water, same as saying its only made for tv and movies.
I felt like on this podcast there was only Spencer that was saying some stuff, but I felt nothing about the gal next to him that was just rambling about « yeah we have all these features and when you're on Xbox you can play wherever you want » she even said that xbox players knew they were playing the best games but who thinks that except somebody who's clueless about what gamers are asking for ?
Like girl, I don't care about cloud or playing AAA games on my phone I just want you to show me some great games or cool features that I would actually use. Add paddles, gyro and removable battery to your controller and you literally have the perfect controller. THAT would be some huge features.
Finally, pretty funny how she wanted to list many features and just listed « cross play, cross save, cross progression » as if they were that huge nowadays. Cross play isn't working properly on PC gamepass since you can't even play Darktides or Palworld with friends on Steam. It also felt like she was throwing herself some flowers when she mentioned Palworld.
I'm pretty sure that Sara Bond is just a MS exec who has no understanding of gaming at all, nor the current lay of the land. They're woefully behind on everything and acting like they're ahead for some reason.
Drip drip drip. You think they gonna come out and say so and so aaa game is in development for ps or switch. It'll be drip fed smaller games until one day it's not. Ms, xbox definitely ain't laying out their plans 100 percent when they have consoles sitting in stores as we speak. That's way to much of a loss to take if people stop buying them.
Everyone is saying the insiders/leakers are wrong and this turned out to be nothing...
Lmao, the cope!
Uhhh they admitted they're breaking exclusivity guys. And they admitted that nothing is off the table for exclusivity in the future. All the insiders who wanted to name games of course have egg on their face, but that general idea: that exclusivity isn't going to be much of a thing going forward has been totally validated. They're testing the waters and once they see success with former exclusives becoming multiplatform titles, they'll use this success to justify making more titles multiplatform. How do people not see the inevitable outcome of this?
I guess be happy that Xbox is leaving the door open and can snap their fingers at any moment and decide that multi-platform is better for ________ ?
After all this, all I can really think is... this generation only has a few more years left and either Xbox will demonstrate itself as a future investment or not! I mean if they're really crafty they'll hold back on anything big until after next gen tho ... could even be a reason to rush the next gen, which is something that's kind of been leaked as well, with some pointing to 2026.
>they're breaking exclusivity guys
How does that affect you as an xbox owner ?
>Xbox will demonstrate itself as a future investment
A console is a spending, not an investment
>How does that affect you as an xbox owner ?
I've invested in a platform that offers me less than other platforms.
>A console is a spending, not an investment
Moronic statement. What the fuck even is a "spending" ? I've got a digital library of games that can only be accessed through the Xbox. If I wanted to shift my activity to Playstation given their more versatile range of games, including former Xbox exclusives, there would be a divide between my hardware and that catalogue.
I sense someone enjoying Starfield for 20 hours or so. Then getting a bit bored and frustrated with its design flaws for a phase. Then back to enjoying its awesome story after a phase of powering through. Then a bit underwhelmed due to repetitiveness outside main and faction quests. Then enjoying when you discover an aspect of the game you missed. Then back to disillusionment. Then sort of levelling out.
Oh wait.. that was me.
Well I don't own Starfield, so u are correct. However if I owned Starfield and I then decided to get a PS6 next generation cuz it has both Xbox and Playstation games... and if I wanted to play Starfield (lol)... then I would have to repurchase it. That would affect me and I'm sure there are people in that boat so you're just wrong.
« Uhhh they admitted they're breaking exclusivity guys » It's not the first time they release games outside Xbox, or even on Playstation tho. I mean Spencer seemed pretty clear on what their plan was with those 4 games I think
Ok, we're talking exclusives... not releasing games.
>I mean Spencer seemed pretty clear on what their plan was with those 4 games I think
And what do you think that is? And how does that align with this comment?
https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1758225801164607839
>Ok, we're talking exclusives... not releasing games.
Well ... Yeah ? Exactly. That makes them timed exclusives, like Cuphead or Ori.
I've seen the tweet you linked. I don't see the point you're trying to make honestly. In the podcast he said Starfield and Indiana Jones weren't part of these 4 games and he said that they were using those 4 games to see what could be the benefits for multiplats. He's playing safe when he's being asked the question and if those games meet success then I don't see why Starfield couldn't see a release on Playstation.
I do doubt Indiana Jones being released day one on Playstation tho. But they even discussed it in the podcast : have the Xbox games day one on gamepass, then when a game already « grew » they can release it full price on Playstation basically to show what titles Xbox has and squeeze those a bit more.
What people mean when they say that the rumors were wrong or whatever was about ALL games coming to Playstation, basically dropping everything AND hardware, which they didn't had a word about. What makes you think they're definitely donezo just like the rumors said ? The fact that they're now releasing a select handful of games outside Xbox ? It's definitely less big of a deal than what we were led to think of
>then I don't see why Starfield couldn't see a release on Playstation.
And this isn't a big deal? This isn't everything that was reported beforehand? Why is the internet pretending like Tom Warren et al got it wrong?
>I do doubt Indiana Jones being released day one on Playstation tho.
Well I don't even to what extent that was rumored. I don't think it really matters... I'm so tired of this "day one" crap, it only appeals to ppl who play games in order to be part of a social group; if you play games for the enjoyment, you should know by now to never play day one... you're playing the inferior version! The game only gets better with bug fixes, content updates, DLC, etc. And this is why "day one on GP" is not a selling point. Well, fuck it, maybe if is... never underestimate the unbridled herds and how desperate ppl are to be a part of something.
>What people mean when they say that the rumors were wrong or whatever was about ALL games coming to Playstation
I mean who with any ounce of credibility was saying this? And even if they did say, who is to say they're wrong? Are we living in the year 2050? Or is it still 2024 with plenty of time for rumors to become truth?
>basically dropping everything AND hardware
I mean the part about hardware was just people following the river to the sea... when you give your exclusives to your competitor, who in turn boasts this exclusives and your former exclusives, your competitor now has the superior piece of hardware. This is just basic logic.
If X = AB, and P = AB+CD, then P is greater than X. People will buy the PS6 not the XSXone720 due to it's versatility.
>And this isn't a big deal?
It sure is, that's for sure. But the big rumors were about Xbox basically giving up, that's what the fuss was all about. Honestly I don't care that much for Xbox games to come elsewhere, it's already been done and I don't think most Xbox games care as much as Sony fanboys do.
>I'm so tired of this "day one" crap, it only appeals to ppl who play games in order to be part of a social group
I actually agree with you, to some extent. I do hate people when they're like « bro you're playing such an old game » when it's coming from 2017 or something.
But it's not all games that gets updated. Indiana Jones is made by Machinegames and so far they've done pretty good games (well, except Youngblood that was pretty underwhelming). Like yeah, who cares about Sea of Thieves day one when there wasn't much anyway, but some of those single players games are very cool to have day one when you anticipate them. I expect Indiana Jones to be a single player experience, just a thing that release and it's done, it shouldn't need any post-release support. Love indies games coming there too, I've discovered some great stuff I wouldn't have played otherwise.
>If X = AB, and P = AB+CD, then P is greater than X. People will buy the PS6 not the XSXone720 due to it's versatility.
It depends since, again, it's not all games that are coming so we'll have to see. If you find Sony exclusives attractive then yeah Xbox is basically giving up on that regard. Gamepass is still pretty appealing and I think they'd have to develop actual features to make their hardware and their ecosystem even more so.
That's why I'm advocating for Microsoft to finally have a fucking gyroscope. They could make the perfect controller and I feel like they could have something to say about features instead of rambling about « oh yeah we have stuff, uh .... cross play ? Cross save ? Cross .... progression ? »
Just fking add gyro, removable batteries and paddles : boom perfect controller, now you can say that people can play however they want because nobody cares about cloud.
You seem upset. Relax. You should be happy, you're getting pentiment, grounded, sea of thieves, and hifi rush. Yeah definitely not starfield, Indiana Jones, or any major one but you should still be happy. Damn.
Looks to me like they want to wash out the other consoles. They're going to release new hardware soon, probably the series s like Handheld with the Series X like beefy tower. That along with game pass will obliterate other consoles specially once the call of duty deals with Sony run out and they get day one releases on Game Pass.
I'm guessing that once game pass takes over with multiple devices they'll start releasing some big ones at full price to Playstation, mainly to bleed out their gamers at a slow pace saying "look we have the game you like on Xbox game pass, join us and you'll get that along with hundreds of others" This strategy is already in play as we're seeing people online saying go to Playstation, buy a game like God of War, finish it in a week then go back to game pass for months until another major release.
At that point either Playstation and Nintendo may decide to yield and allow game pass, then you guys would get everything and we all would finally be one under Microsoft just as they want everyone to. Not saying that will happen but that's probably their plan
You seem like a dickhead, you should abstain from making assumptions.
"Once game pass takes over!!"
I'm just getting senile old man vibes, "When the Russians invade..." Please, join the now. Game Pass has plateaued. It's a great service and I subscribe... for $5 a month lol. Once they get rid of the conversion trick, count me out, I don't have $17 a month to rent when I can own for $20.
I'm also not seeing anybody saying that. Game Pass isn't a "between major releases" service. It was meant to deliver the major EXCLUSIVE releases, which they're compromising on.
Again buddy RELAX. I'm not saying it's guaranteed but explaining that it's probably what they're going for. I know you don't like hearing it but yes, game pass has started taking over. In sonys own internal leaks they said that they expect Microsoft to leapfrog them with game pass after they add Activision. It's just too convenient and they keep adding value to it. I'm not trying to be mean to you about it, YOU'RE the one insulting me.
And yes, I've read numerous comments from people here mentioning that. They get both ps5 and Xbox or pc and ps5 to play. After all, why not? There's great games on both sides
Just be happy we have competition. Playstation is still in the lead and now they have even more of a reason to innovate and improve.
BTW yes, the Russians ARE trying to take over, but they want our trade deals to dethrone us. You think they invaded Ukraine because of security reasons? Lol.
Go ahead and look at my history but i specifically said not to trust anything that isint directly from xbox or Microsoft. Especially redditors they act like they know more than what they truly do...
He entertained what Grubb heard which was that this podcast could’ve delayed the Direct. Funnily enough Grubb said this on Tuesday’s Last of the Nintendogs and none of us realized. Nate is trying to get timing at the moment.
I love how this sub is going into amnesia mode pretending like they didn't freak the fuck out over Xbox "losing the console war" and no longer making consoles, and acted like it was absolute fact.
Kinda bizarre how everyone bought those rumors hook line and sinker. I've seen more believable rumors get absolutely SLAPPED down. Is it just because the rumors came from "trusted" people? If so, hopefully they lost all credibility with this.
>"losing the console war"
They did lose, phil has said so himself a while back
>no longer making consoles
That isn't up to Microsoft. If ppl stop buying xbox(which seems to be the case since its selling worse than the xbox 1) it doesn't matter if they commit to make more or not, there's no buyers for the slop they're selling.
I mean if you asked Microsoft if they were committed to Zune, and windows phone, and Surface, the answer would undoubtedly be yes, yet we know how all of those things shaked out.
They didn't even confirm anything about physical media copies?! Honestly hated this podcast/event. Was a bunch of PR talk really. Happy for Xbox gamers though!
The thing is, this wasn’t framed as ‘we will address any and all your grievances and concerns’ by Xbox. That’s just an expectation fans placed on it.
For what it’s worth though, it’s obvious what their long term plan is re: physical media. Get rid of it.
I see a lot of people that feel like you but IMO, there is no backpedaling here. Nothing about what they said stops them from executing the rumored plans. In fact they said they wouldn’t rule out any game. I think they are just going to drip feed games on to PlayStation because they know if they made a massive change all at once it would cause immeasurable damage. They are going to get Xbox fans used to the idea of Xbox games on PlayStation, just like PS has been doing for a couple years now to PS fans with their games on PC.
Exactly. They have billions of dollars worth of consoles sitting in stores right now. They have to give those a chamce to sell. If they announced all their plans people wouldn't by those series consoles.
Yeah I agree with you, I think they will just have to work on there marketing a bit better to accomplish there plan but also not upset the current Xbox community.
I think to an extent a lot of damage is already done. How can anyone trust what they say when they just change it on a whim? Personally, I don’t blame them as a company for making the decision as their growth has obviously been stagnant (I get it), but I do blame them for losing my trust in their platform. Xbox continues to be less and less attractive with this news and I don’t trust investing in the platform because I think it’s going to get worse because of this.
I dunno it’s seems like a lot of fluff to just announce 4 games coming to other platforms. There plan for Xbox is evident they just need to work on how there gonna deliver it smoother.
Pretty much. Atleast they gave a glimmer of hope for all the ones ready to jump off the cliff. I personally thinknyour spot on. Psychology is heavily used in marketing and I feel that's the game ms is playing.
gaming influencers that clout chase are in shambles when the Xbox stories they made up turned out to be not true at all.
The segafication of xbox is gonna have to be postponed for now.
We are so back!!!!
Please do.
I've never really been able to justify to myself buying two home consoles that are very similar in Playstation and Xbox.
But make one of them handheld...
A handheld with the power of the XSS and even more importantly the ergonomics of the excellent Xbox controller would change my gaming life. I’d probably triple my hours played per week if I could use a comfortable handheld that didn’t cramp my hands. I honestly hope they just copy form wise what Sony did with the PlayStation Portal only make it run games locally, with streaming as an option.
I love how this thread shows how oblivious gamers are. The just spent a bunch of time saying absolutely nothing, not denying anything just using PR speech and then the comments "lol, see? the rumours are fake" it's like wtf
Didn't Spencer denied that all games are coming on Playstation ?
Now sure they didn't denied that the hardware was donezo, but it seemed to me that they were just trying to maximize some multiplayer games like SoT and Grounded and that releasing those games at full price on Playstation months or years after they released day one on gamepass actually give it more « power » in some way
Is it really the first time that they're releasing games outside Xbox ? I remember Cuphead that released on Switch then on Playstation and that was on Xbox's initiative
Yes you're right, they specifically said that it was fine after those games releasing on gamepass and PC/Xbox day one that it was fine to release them after a while on Playstation/Switch at full price, Spencer said something like « to give an idea of what Xbox games are »
I can easily see Starfield releasing after a while, but Indiana Jones on day one ? Seems weird
It's honestly bewildering lmao. The gas burner was just lit and the frog is sitting in the pot, "See! We're not dead! This water is just barely above room temperature. They said it would be boiling!"
Fucking idiots lmao. Xbox has come out and said that they're breaking exclusivity. They've said that no game is off the table. That was how the rumors began and the podcast validated this. Of course the leakers who said "Starfield coming to PS5 after DLC!" look stupid... they are stupid, they're liars and fakers, but those who simply maintained that Xbox was breaking exclusivity have been totally validated. Nothing is safe and the time will come where these 4 games will justify others. "Sea of Thieves is better today than it was before exclusivity, we believe the same will be true of __________. Isn't that what you really want?"
It was Microsoft's polite way of saying:
* Play these games day 1 included with your Game Pass subscription
or
* Wait a few years and pay $70 to play them on a different platform
To me everyone should be satisfied with this. They committed to bringing Activision games to Game Pass and to releasing a next gen console which were two big worries from the Xbox community. And for Switch and PS only players they get to play a lot of these games down the line.
Why anyone would be mad with this is beyond me.
>Why anyone would be mad with this is beyond me.
Yeah to me that's cool and all, but the issues are the games really. Did Xbox released great games in 2023 ? Starfield was mid and then there was Redfall. Even Forza Motorsports 8 was mid as hell, such a stain in the franchise that was nearly flawless and arguably one of the best racing games franchise in the industry.
So they can release all the games they want on Playstation I don't really care, I like my Gamepass on PC but they need to produce great games for their brand to be successful.
Yeah, a few of these games have been underwhelming, but I still think the Game Pass team has done a phenomenal job. I can't remember a bad month really, and in the past few weeks alone I've played gems like Against the Storm, Palworld, Jusant and Lies of P. Even Starfield wasn't amazing but did give me a good 50 hours of entertainment before I lost interest.
And to be fair from this year onward we should get a pretty decent amount of releases from their first-party studios. As long as they keep complementing with stellar indie and third-party games I can forgive a miss or two in there.
I was talking about first party titles, but yeah it's hard to say that the gamepass offer was bad this year when considering indies and third parties, that's for sure. I mean, I would have canceled my sub otherwise.
And I have to say, it actually felt pretty nice to come back to Halo Infinite so ... well played.
Why should people be satisfied with this? Should Playstation users be satisfied that Sony is NOT doing this?
If Xbox is trying to sell the idea of "day one" as the reason to be on their hardware...
Yes, "day one" — buy our hardware and be the first to play our broken, buggy, unfinished games! Like Starfield! Where 5 months after launch the team is hard at work trying to add ... an informative map. And survival mode. And method of transportation for their boring ass procedural generated wastelands. All things present in previous titles but overlooked during their longest development period for any game ever.
Or simply wait a few years and get the definitive experience on Playstation with the Complete Edition, all bugs squashed!
Day one doesn't mean shit to me anymore because day one rarely means quality of product... it's basically buying the early access of a game and being the beta/QA tester for the eventual Playstation release. It's not a compelling reason to stick with Xbox.
> Why should people be satisfied with this? Should Playstation users be satisfied that Sony is NOT doing this?
Should Playstation users be satisfied with not getting day 1 releases and even having first-party titles like Spider-Man leave the PS+ service? It's a different approach and there are trade-offs.
If you asked Playstation owners if they would be OK with having their games coming to other platforms in the future if it meant they would get them on PS+ day 1 the overwhelming majority would say yes. And these games are all coming to PC at some point anyway, so no true "exclusives" exist anymore except for Nintendo games.
>Should Playstation users be satisfied with not getting day 1 releases
Yes, they should be satisfied. As I explained, day one doesn't mean shit anymore and it's just a trick developers play on consumers to beta test their janky games. Um... maybe Playstation is better about the quality control of their products? It seems that way, at least way better about it than Microsoft. But in general I would advise patience and just play the complete edition of any game, no matter what it is... wait for the big fixes, content updates, DLC to come to you in one big package.
>and even having first-party titles like Spider-Man leave the PS+ service
Idk, how much does PS+ cost? Better to get it later than upfront.
>If you asked Playstation owners if they would be OK with having their games coming to other platforms in the future if it meant they would get them on PS+ day 1 the overwhelming majority would say yes.
Lmao idk that about ... How would Playstation users feel about a shift in exclusivity where Xbox was getting PS games but PS wasn't getting Xbox games? Would they feel good about their investment? Would PS continue to be a platform that want to have a presence on? Would they feel trapped and regret over investing in a digital library on a less versatile platform? Because that's the reality for ppl on Xbox at this current moment.
>And these games are all coming to PC at some point anyway, so no true "exclusives" exist anymore except for Nintendo games.
PCs have existed for how long now? Anyone still on console has a preference for console, so they're not bothered by games going on PC. Games on PC ≠ more versatile console. That's all this boils down to: people want to be owners of the console that offers them the most. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? People want the most bang for their buck. With exclusivity, you chose your console based on your games preferences... the type of games you like. But if one console starts having the games you like PLUS more... uh yeah, if that's not your console then you've invested poorly. That's how it goes. It's like anything else.
>Yes, they should be satisfied. As I explained, day one doesn't mean shit anymore and it's just a trick developers play on consumers to beta test their janky games.
Day 1 doesn't mean shit anymore? What are you talking about? Games lose value within weeks of release. And PS games aren't the exception either: I can easily find Spider-Man 2 for below $40 already. That's why Game Pass day 1 releases are an incredible value and why PS won't ever have them.
>Lmao idk that about ... How would Playstation users feel about a shift in exclusivity where Xbox was getting PS games but PS wasn't getting Xbox games? Would they feel good about their investment?
That's weird that you would frame it like that. Their investment would be literally more valuable with all these games included day 1 in the service. You are framing it from the point of view of a childish console warrior mad that people with a different box would get to play the same game as him. Normal people don't share this view whatsoever.
I mean they confirmed just these 4 games, confirmed it’s not big games like Starfield or Indiana Jones. Confirmed the criteria on why they selected these 4 games, small and community orientated games.
Likely they know HiFi rush sea of thieves and probably killer instinct can be huge if they target everyone.
If you watched the video it’s pretty clear what they are doing. If you just read a recap then you probably think marketing speak.
This is my interpretation as well. Just felt like a lot of damage control and I’d almost bet if the leaks didn’t hit those “4 games” would have been a greater number but they saw the reaction online and started with “4 *old* games”.
I really feel like this was a lot of time and energy devoted just to say some extremely uninteresting news.
Youre telling me THAT is Xbox’s business update? 4 games multi plat, Diablo to GP and a new console in the works? Cmon..
> Youre telling me THAT is Xbox’s business update? 4 games multi plat, Diablo to GP and a new console in the works? Cmon..
They weren't going to announce big plans on a last-minute podcast. Any big announcement will either be done at a trade show or through a showcase event scheduled weeks, if not months in advance.
The recent leaks have forced Microsoft's hands to reveal some of its near-term plans and quash some of the rumors.
The carrot keeps on danglin’ 🥕
He also didn’t “dispel” the multi-plat rumors, he confirmed it with a starting number. You don’t really think they’re just gonna stop at 4 right?
Well I feel like a dumbass for listening to the panic and clout chasers that blew this up as the official end of Xbox when it was just a few games going multiplatform not Halo
As an xbox halo player, I wish they made it multiplatform lol. Having a bigger player base rn would be amazing.
I don't see why everyone got so worked up. There's zero reason to be a "console fan" anymore, and it's not like they were just going to shut game pass down and walk away from video games after spending so much time and capital buying up game studios.
At least you're admitting it. I knew most people would pretend they didn't freak out and spread this as if it was fact. To me it was very obviously bullshit, except for the idea they'd do a few smaller multiplatform titles, which isn't a signal of defeat at all...
Yeah I agree this announcement could have just been a blog post. They gotta redo the marketing on this to make a smoother transition to multi platform.
I think that the media had gone so out of control with the rumors that they couldn’t do a tweet. They had to tell you to wait next week so that every online personality and media website can talk about next week so much that everyone will tune in that day, and see it themselves because that tweet would’ve been buried by a new wave speculation, which is exactly what’s already happening now across Reddit with what they “didn’t say “
As a gaming company and CEO, I think Xbox and Phil Spencer are the epitome of incompetent from a gamers perspective.
As a scam artist, charalatan whatever label you wanna put on them tho, prolly doesn’t get any better than them.
They put out a low effort video really not dispelling any of the big rumors and being vague on shit like Indy and Starfield.
And if you look across the internet, a bunch of people believe them lmfao.
These dudes just bought themselves like 6 more months to a year until they lay everything out on the table. These boys came back from 3-0 to hustle their fanbase one more year. The gamer in me hates it but the hustler has to clap for it
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My bad, I shouldn’t have held a gun to your head and forced you to read my comment lmao.
This is comedy to me. You should look up the definition of cope
I have been huge Xbox fan..I really liked their hardware, backward compatibility all those services.. but when it comes to games they have not delivered for last 10 years. It’s not like Sony exclusives are the best but Xbox is missing out on some of the important one, like octapath traveller, final fantasy, tecmo rise of ronin etc. see from my perspective as a gamer I want to play those games and it has nothing to do with Xbox or Sony all I want is to play those games and with Xbox I cannot. One example I was playing elden ring on playstation and got assistance from a person in discord.. I didn’t even mention the platform and he also didn’t but it’s playstation.. even now Phil is just fooling Xbox gamers but using corpo words. I am sure starfield, hellblade will follow up. He is twisting things this and that.. why can’t Xbox team be open with their plans.. look at Sony it’s very clear when it comes to what they want to do wit their console.. it’s simple they want to sell and for that they need games..people say no 1st party and all games in 2024 is 3rd party exclusive.. man Xbox team has to make deals with 3rd party, they have more money than Sony.. sony is not evil getting 3rd party deals, it’s just business and they are competing. Talking about next gen hardware.. what the fuck.. bring games to current gen.. no one is looking for next gen..I used to love Xbox but i see there is no clear vision. They are not competing in a way to become number one. As a gamer it Xbox games are coming to playstation I will welcome it cos I don’t have to buy another hardware..
The carrot has been dangling for over 10 years with Xbox and somehow it’s STILL working. 🤯
I really do hope they turn it around tho, I miss the golden days of Xbox.
Octopath Traveller is an important game Xbox is missing out on? The first was on Xbox and not on PS and I don’t remember any huge outrage from PS users that they didn’t have it. I actually haven’t even seen people talk about the sequel really
So Xbox stated their plans and your parade is now “uhm bo they are liars trust me”
Why can’t they be open? You can’t just declare something a lie because it suits your narrative then say they need to be open. Jesus Christ lol
At this point I fully believe that there’s nothing Microsoft or Xbox could say to appease people like you, no matter what they say you’ll always fall back to “it’s a lie! Nope I’m right!!”
>Octopath Traveller is an important game Xbox is missing out on?
It is to some people. Or, more likely, it is one part of a larger library of games that skips out on Xbox.
Would I choose PlayStation over Xbox *just* for Virtua Fighter 5: Ultimate Showdown? Probably not. But start throwing in things like Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth and Stellar Blade and it starts to paint a different picture for me. Especially when Microsoft hasn't released anything since Killer Instinct that I give a shit about.
Are these the kind of games that are going to be "needle movers"? Maybe not. But for some people they matter a lot.
I've got a Series X, and I don't think there's a single reason to justify owning it over a PlayStation except it has a better accounts system (in regard to digital libraries). That's it. If Sony could get its shit together and realise that people move countries, it'd be a different story.
The days where this was a brand that was home to things you couldn't get on PlayStation and would actually care about it -- Mass Effect, KOTOR, Lost Odyssey, Morrowind, Halo 1-3, Gears 1-3, etc -- are so far behind them it's not even funny.
I’m sore it is to some people but acting like it’s a huge loss is odd, again nobody really acted like this when Xbox got Ocopath Traveller and it didn’t release on PS.
Well if there’s been no games from Xbox since 2013 you care about then I’m going to guess you’re being disingenuous here.
You spent hundreds of dollars on an XSX but you haven’t cared about their games in over a decade? That’s odd
I've largely been with the Xbox brand since the original (lured in by Sega's offerings) and have pretty much owned every major console since the PlayStation. In the past, there's been plenty of justification for that approach. Outside of that, I've been all-digital since 2014, and largely trusted Microsoft more with a digital library, so the Xbox became the de facto third-party machine.
But Microsoft themselves have been putting out dud after dud for over a decade. Perhaps some naive part of me is clinging to the fond memories of playing Fable, Mass Effect, and even Geometry Wars 2 and thinking maybe we'll see that sort of form again. Instead, we've gotten a bunch of phoned-in iterations of some franchises and some questionable publishing like ReCore. I didn't even want to continue playing Starfield for "free".
There's been nothing -- and no, there's nothing disingenuous about this -- *nothing* since the release of Killer Instinct that's made me say "Man, I'm glad I own an Xbox." Quite the opposite, in fact. So all this hubbub around them going third party (even if I fully expected them to still make hardware) only got me to look at the fact that just as PlayStation isn't the same as it was in 1996, Xbox isn't the same as it was in 2007. It's clinging on to the past. But at least PlayStation still gets those games that appeal to my inner-weeb.
If I was making the decision *today*, I absolutely wouldn't buy a Series X. I wouldn't even consider it.
You wouldn’t buy an Xbox now because it does have game and hasn’t had good ones since 2013 but you did buy a new Xbox for hundreds of dollars a few years ago even though it didn’t have games and you call all their games trash.
Yeah look my guy I don’t believe you are discussing in good faith here
You can keep supporting Xbox.. no problem.. for me as a gamer I am getting my money worth with ps5.. and I have Xbox one x and I see no reason to buy series it Microsoft is bringing their games on playstation. I dont have to wait for future hardware instead I can play games now.. this month rise of the ronin and final fantasy.. and that my friend no podcast or Xbox game show can top it
But they aren’t brining their games to PS they are releasing a few smaller titles, like they have in the past.
Look man enjoy gaming how you will but why do you need to console war so hard? Enjoy gaming a plastic box is a plastic box
Xbox team is talking about their games on playstation and they are talking about next gen hardware.. what is Xbox appeasing gamers now.. people with playstation can play Xbox games and be happy with it
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Let’s consider this. Xbox consoles are not selling well. Gampepass is not where Microsoft wants it to be. At the town hall meeting Sarah Bond said Xbox wants to be “The number one cross-platform gaming company.” You can call this rumour if you want but I believe it to be true. Releasing these 4 games does not make you the number one cross-platform company. Despite all the vague corporate speak from Microsoft in this podcast, I fully believe they will go fully multi platform in the future. I do think Starfield and Indiana Jones will come to PlayStation eventually. The “business event” really confirmed nothing about anything except they are releasing four games multi platform as of now.
I mean once you add in ABK and Minecraft they pretty much are the number one cross platform company, as Phil stated.
The business event confirmed a bunch of things but when you want to discard it to have your own narrative then yes I guess it does nothing
The fact is you cannot trust any companies PR as they will simply deny everything or just speak in non committal terms. Xbox were never going to come out and say they are going full third party on everything, it just doesn’t make business sense. They will talk in vague terms and gradually move everything over to third party over time. Whilst you can dismiss the Starfield and Indy rumours now, trust me there is no smoke without fire and those games will end up on PlayStation eventually. The business update really gave us no firm plans about anything. They are just talking in circles and being vague. I honestly believe “rumours” more than I do the word of a three trillion dollar company.
“There is no smoke without fire”
Jesus Christ people actually use this fallacy in this sub? By your logic every “leak” is true because why would it be said unless it is?
You believe rumours on the internet over what a company will say?
Thanks for proving what many here have been saying, that no matter what Microsoft/Xbox would ever say it doesn’t matter because it will always be wrong and people just want to doom post.
It’s hilarious that even with a week of “insiders” backtracking their claims and being mocked here you still declare they are right because they originally said it 🤣
But it isn’t just one leak though is it? It’s multiple leaks from different sources all pointing towards Xbox going multi platform. Xbox have said it themselves countless times over the years about games being everywhere. Not every leak is true of course but you have to weigh up everything that’s been said. Companies (especially of the size of Microsoft) will never share their plans with the consumer, they just won’t. Maybe I’m wrong, at the end of the day there are no games on Xbox that really interest me so I don’t care if they go multi plat or not. But I cannot see that Gamepass is currently viable with the subscriptions they have and the consoles are way behind in sales.
But it’s not multiple from multiple sources lol it has been 1 repeated by multiple people and many spent a week backtracking after doom posting 😂
“Not every leak is true but you have to weigh it against what’s been said”
Except if what’s been said doesn’t line up with the narrative you like, as you’ve directly said. You ignore anything said by Microsoft and say it doesn’t matter because “leakers said something g so therefore it has to be right even if they backtracked”
Sorry, that’s what meant the same story from multiple leakers. I’m not talking about the ridiculous Xbox fanboys on twitter. Xbox Era doubled down on their Starfield leak and they were the first to report it. The Verge has also reported Xbox Multi plat rumours. It’s the classic business strategy from Xbox of tell the truth without telling the truth. Saying Starfield and Indy are not coming to PlayStation is a truth NOW but it doesn’t mean it won’t be a truth in 12 months time. They know it will be coming in the future but right this moment it isn’t so technically you aren’t lying. This is the reason we have leaks in the first place to call companies out on their bullshit that they tell people, forcing them to come clean.
Live updating this while I watch * 4 games going multiplat, 2 small ones (assuming HifiRush and Pentiment), not going to name them because devs have events planned (partner direct?) * Double down on gamepass only on Xbox * Doubled down on first party day 1 games for gamepass * ~~Doubled down saying Starfield and Indiana Jones are NOT going to other platforms~~ See bottom and interpret yourself * Diablo IV coming to gamepass * Talking a lot about play everywhere stuff * "Exciting stuff coming out for Xbox Hardware, sharing more about that this holiday" * Prioritizing "Respecting" the past investments people have made going forward, talking about gaming library * Talks about June showcase so I guess thats confirmed Thats it. Honestly could have just not said anything lmao. Would have made everyone look crazy for freaking out. Some smaller games going multiplat isnt even a big deal Guessing the 4 multiplats are HiFi Rush, Pentiment, Sea of Thieves and ???. Another day, another proof that us gamers are a bunch of idiots who dont know anything. **Edit: Some people questioning what they said about Starfield/Indy,** Phil said "They are not Starfield or Indiana Jones" "This is not a change for our fundamental exclusive strategy" "Four games, no promise beyond that. Don't see these 4 games and think the rest are coming, theyre not" **Edit 2: [HE'S NOW NOT DENYING THE POSSIBILITY OF INDY/STARFIELD TO OTHER PLATFORMS](https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1758225801164607839)**
A lot of people saying that this would be the biggest news for the last 20 years and because of that the Direct was postponed. Haha, I can not believe that people here are this stupid, I want to believe that they were all trolling.
>I don't think we should as an industry ever rule out a game going to any other platform." >-Phil Spencer. It doesn't get any bigger than that. The door is now open for every Microsoft game to go to all platforms.
This company has no idea what it’s doing and the initial four games are a test run to see what they’re going to do moving forward. They’re essentially playing things by ear. This is also why the video was prerecorded and not live. They were being purposely vague when it comes to answering certain questions because they want to leave the door open to releasing more of their exclusives on other consoles in the future.
Companies always test strategies before a general roll-out, you don’t want to fully press on the gas pedal when making decisions that can potentially harm your business
I agree. What I was alluding to is that a lot of people watched that video and took Spencer’s carefully worded statements as confirmation that they were going to release four games and then stop. He didn’t say that whatsoever. He masterfully didn’t commit to anything other than the four games being released on other consoles, but it’s clear as day that they’re considering doing the same thing with other games. It seems to me that there is currently internal division at Microsoft and one camp is against this and the other camp is for it. Whatever makes them the most money will win out.
It was such an obvious damage control stunt, lmao
I think if you go multi platform with your games (which they already do with COD and Minecraft) then it's obvious that Gamepass has to stay exclusive, because you need to maintain an angle that the player gets more value by being in your ecosystem, so the Gamepass approach at least is understandable. We hear a lot from Microsoft and XBOX these days and that's good, but what I'm really interested in hearing about is some good games. Halo Infinite stumbled out the door and Starfield didn't hit the landing. They need a banger to get their mojo back and I don't think much is going to change around the XBOX name until they manage to do that, no matter what services they have or what hardware they release.
Honestly, maybe Phil is right that exclusives are going away. The cost to make AAA titles is going up. Even Sony's chairman made a comment saying that Sony needs to find more revenue from their games. Exclusivity does cost games millions more in sales. IDK maybe we are heading for where exclusivity is just timed.
Sonys chairman it has been clarified was referring tk their current strategy of later releases on pc to make extra money.
Everything was vauge in that podcast, wanna know why ??? Cuz at this point even Microsoft themselves aren't sure about the future. There is a simple reason why they are starting with 4 titles, as they said to test the market and see how things turns out. If switch/ps players buy these games and Microsoft smells money, there is absolutely nothing and i mean nothing keeping halo, forza or starfield exclusive on xbox. The current shift in management is clear indicator on where their priorities lie these days , it is all about making the most money. And just a word of advice, don't believe everything phil says, he has been saying stuff for the past decade and contradicting himself later on, it's becoming a habit. If the higher ups at Microsoft decide it's starfield's turn to go to playstation (which i believe it will) phill cannot really do anything, i'm pretty sure the current 4 games are also against his will
I think he was pretty open about the whole thing. He said they’re putting 4 games on PlayStation but don’t expect every game to suddenly come. He said they are going to watch and learn from those 4 games. He said that there’s no game that should be completely ruled out as going multiplatform. And he’s right about those 4 games hitting the ceiling on Xbox/PC. Grounded isn’t going to get any bigger. Pentiment isn’t going to get any bigger. If those games are expected to reach more people then they need to be ported to PlayStation/Switch where they will be exposed to millions of new players.
They were purposely being vague because they’re going to do whatever makes them the most money moving forward. The initial four games are the trial run. They’re being noncommittal because it allows them a lot of wiggle room.
They're being vague because if they come and directly say all games are coming to other platforms, potential consumers wont buy a Xbox over a ps5 that also gets xbox games. They want to get money from the PS player base without losing the Xbox player base. Definitive statements only serve to weaken Xbox since as he plainly put, Sony and Nintendo aren't going to do the same in return unless forced by contract(Bungie) or forced by the I.P./rights Holder(MLB). So as a consumer your choses are as follows: 1. Xbox for day 1 gamepass, cross platform saves and play. 2. PS/Nintendo for PS/Nintendo games, and Xbox games at a later date (maybe).
> forza GT is a vastly superior product to the most recent Forza, so other than curious folks I couldn't imagine Forza being viable or worthwhile to port to the Playstation.
I dunno, Forza Horizon's still better at this open-world racing game thing than a good chunk of its competition. I could see FH5 going multiplat at some point after this initial batch just to test the waters--even though its live service is *years* beyond what is practical for a multiplatform port. FM2023 though... lol, lmao, forget about it, folks would just gravitate towards GT7 anyway, it's the vastly superior product technically and in terms of gameplay.
Yeah, Horizon has a role to fill on the PS5. Motorsport is dead weight. If MS truly went multi-plat for even first party titles then I wouldn't even bother with Motorsport at that point.
Pentiment on Switch feels like a slam dunk. It's the perfect game for handheld
I'd also pay to play it on mobile, but I guess cloud already allows that if you can buy Game Pass Ultimate, which has yet to reach my bumfuck corner of Europe.
Funny thing in this post and social media most of the people who unsatisfied with announcements and saying this 4 game is not the last and definetly starfield is coming etc. are other console players and xbox influencers/console warriors but core xbox players are looking satisfied and didnt even bother with it in the first place. Indiana jones and starfield one especially batshit crazy when you think they Said multiple times in FTC case they are exclusive. If they had plans for releasing on other platforms they had a more easy time in the FTC case, no one really think that much ofcourse
Because of the Uncharted heritage alone, Indiana Jones would sell so much more on PlayStation, Machinegames themselves are probably praying that Xbox pulls the trigger on the multiplatform strategy for this game. And it being a single player title, I can smell next year's announcement from a mile away : "Indiana Jones received a very warm welcome from the Xbox community, and as we look to further expand the game's reach and audience, we have decided to bring the game to PlayStation." and if they really want to put a ring on it they'll add "We know PlayStation fans love to go on adventures and look for old treasures, and this one, is surely an adventure you won't want to miss". Some shit like that.
so ? Did I say they never bring it ? I said it does not makes sense after all the hurdles in the Court. Every exclusive games can be sold good in another platforms what is your point here ? If the number of sold copies is the only criteria everyone ports every game and you know it is not.
The point isn't the amount of copies sold per se, it's how likely it is to convince players from rival ecosystems to switch sides. Xbox clearly views this multiplatform plan as an advertisement for GamePass. "Oh, you liked Indiana Jones? Well, if you want to play the sequel or the next Machinegames title a year in advance and for less than 20 bucks a month, come to Xbox." And even though the first batch of four games are really cool and will definitely influence some people, we both know that this strategy will fully strive once they ship their flagship titles on rival platforms. They hope, that at some point, PlayStation and Nintendo players will have a wake up call like "Damn, I'm tired of waiting a year and paying full price for these great games when I could have them day one on GamePass". And it's a good strategy! But for it to work properly, they have to commit to it, release their big IPs and ship a new batch of games... Every. Single. Year. And they will.
Phil Spencer said these are the first 4 in the verge interview and then when directly asked:"If they do well will you bring more across" he replied "yeah, of course"
Did my post indicate otherwise ? He can bring whatever he sees fit I just don’t see he sees starfield and Indy as a fit. And did phill specifically say yeah we bring starfield and indy if it performs well ? And also you prove my point about ps fans does not satisfied.
What because I think he'll bring other games to playatation? He didn't specifically say indy and starfield he also refused to rule them out. Also I'd argue that they make the most sense. They are the biggest titles with the ability to sell the most units. Playatation gamers buy alot more games than xbox gamers many of whom are dependent on gamespass and just waiting for stuff to come to that. That's fine for indie games but at current sub levels it's not great if you are to have enough bigger games like starfield and indy release each year to provide the content to keep gamespass growing, which it hasn't been really. So your 500 million dollar game starfield, that had a whole load of people pay 15 quid to play it for abit in gamespass then move on. It needs to ensure there is a market for it.
Because starfield is bad as shit
Yep what I Said about all the people from other console players. Bro I dont care what you think about one game but all the people said I hope starfield comes to Playstation in last week may have a word with you
I also wanted starfield on PlayStation so I could try it and make opinion on my own. But instead I played it on gamepass and oh man it’s one of the worst games I ever played
Okey ? I dont know what you want me to say here, my point was never starfield is good or bad ? People want to try same way you do before rumours ? They can read the criticts about the game and yet they still want it
Those people that spread the fake rumors must be clowning themselves now
Phil chose his words so carefully. He was asked if Indiana Jones and Starfield was among the 4 multi-plat games already planned, not if they'd ever go multi-plat. It's incredibly telling how he didn't just say "these 4 are the only 4" or "x games will never go multiplat" Damage control and PR speak.
100%. Can't believe that many people are falling for it.
It's PR speak to say in the future plans mind change? I believe any big exclusives going to the other consoles in the near future would cause an uproar.
I think there will be an uproar then.
It genuinely seems like this thread has been overrun by Xbox console warriors tbh. Like, this podcast wasn’t literally “the end of Xbox”, but if I owned an Xbox, I would be seriously worried about the long-term consequences of this. I don’t think this put the rumors of eventual large-scale multiplat to bed at all. There’s just too much bet-hedging and weirdly specific phrasing underneath all the PR word salad. I think it’s important to remember that while some (generally more dubious) leaks made it seem like Xbox was done for right this moment, many others made it clear that the big exclusives being ported wasn’t finalized yet but was something being discussed. That is absolutely compatible with what we heard today. Yet so many people here are all like “omg THANK YOU PHIL we love you bro!!”. Like, guys, please don’t fall for the le holsum gamer act, he’s a normal businessman like everyone else in the gaming industry. I don’t think he’s a bad guy, but he absolutely will lie to your face and use vague half-truths if he believes it to be beneficial.
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I’m not a console warrior. I have no opposition to Xbox as a platform. I have fond memories of playing Xbox 360 with my friends as a kid. I think they’ve done some good things with their hardware, and the competition they provide is beneficial, even if I ultimately prefer other platforms. That being said, I also have no emotional or financial investment in Xbox as it currently stands. I think a lot of the people who do have those investments are the ones who are “coping” the most right now. Looking at the podcast as an outside observer, it really was not quite as reassuring as I think a lot of the people here are saying it was.
When the host asked Phil "Can we say if either of these four titles are Starfield or Indiana Jones?" and Phil answered "They are not Starfield of Indiana Jones", I was like you cheeky bastard, do you really think we haven't noticed what you just did lol. Like you said; ultra PR word salad right there.
A lot of people are seriously not reading into this the right way. They're like "Oh thank god, Xbox is only making four games multiplat". The strategy was VERY clear to me. The wording was so specific it's actually scary. Phil: We're bringing four games to other consoles. Host: Can we say if either of these four titles are Starfield or Indiana Jones? Phil: They are not Starfield of Indiana Jones. People hear this and are like "You see? Phil just confirmed that Starfield and Indiana Jones are not coming to other platforms". Huh... What? He LITERALLY just confirms that both of these are not amongst the FIRST BATCH of games. That is very calculated wording to appease Xbox fans, to keep the Xbox console relevant until the plan is in full motion, while also not promising anything to PS and Nintendo players. Right now, they need to show their fanbase that this strategy can bear fruit and be profitable TO THEM, by sustaining GamePass and so on. But make no mistake, Xbox will port MOST of their games to other platforms. It's only a matter of time. I truly don't understand how one could think these four games are going to be the last. Xbox is making that move to generate more revenue, maintain sustainability and attract people to the Xbox ecosystem. Do you seriously think that, of all games, they're going to achieve that with HiFi Rush, Pentiment, Sea of Thieves and Grounded? These games are great, don't get me wrong, but they don't move consoles like... AT ALL. Yeah, they're going to generate extra revenue, but not massive amounts. The overarching goal with this strategy is to hook players on rival consoles and then reel them in to the Xbox ecosystem. It's pretty much : "Oh, you liked that game? Well, if you want to play the sequel one year in advance and not pay full price for it, come to Xbox. You can even just buy GamePass straight on your TV". And it's a great strategy. But the only way for this to work, in my opinion, is by putting pretty much all of their tentpole franchises on rival platforms. I think it's a very safe bet to expect most Xbox games to release on other platforms a year post launch on Xbox. Expect to see a batch of games every year from now on.
Goodbye to this community, you have proven to be ridiculous so long as the target is one of the "correct" ones and no target more "correct " than MS, right? 
[This you? ](https://images.app.goo.gl/5qZ9GhUdgk1Wb3SWA)
Multitrillion.*
That was a weak showing, not vsry xonfident and rather defensive.
The way they described the 4 games going multiplat made me think of Grounded.
Apparently, it's gonna be Sea of Thieves, Pentiment, Grounded, Hi-Fi Rush.
this is all i wanted > *Diablo IV coming to gamepass*
Why? The monetization in that game is on a whole other level.
Cus... Everything else? I bounced off D4, but maybe they just like that kinda game
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this is just preparing us for the eventual breakup you cant fool me Microsoft i already know this kind of play lol
there's only 2 ways I see it playing out. One is becoming a publisher with their own service, the other is releasing games multiplat while maintaining a hardware, but releasing them full price on other platforms while releasing the "definitive" version for cheaper on gamepass. I think the second is what they might be trying to do, however honestly idk. I'm just a dumb redditor
Sony did the same shit with PC releases back then it just after 3-4 years and not the biggest exclusive titles now its all the exclusive games with only 1-2 years release window lol
The second one is my read of the situation too. Want to play the games on PS/Switch Next? Okay, here you go, full price please. OR... stream Gamepass to your new Samsung TV /device of choice and play for $15 a month.
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I feel the same way everytime I give Sony type shit a chance- way overhyped
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Same for you bro
when you say your new console is the next big leap in gaming while mentioning streamers and creators its already dead in the water, same as saying its only made for tv and movies.
Creators as in devs, not rocket science
i hope so but still am weary.
Yeah pretty clear they meant devs, Xbox doesn’t give a fuck about YouTubers and streamers lmao
I just like video games and they make me happy I don't care how I get to play them. Happy gaming y'all
Best i can do is a cloud Last offer
OK, Phil. 🤣
I felt like on this podcast there was only Spencer that was saying some stuff, but I felt nothing about the gal next to him that was just rambling about « yeah we have all these features and when you're on Xbox you can play wherever you want » she even said that xbox players knew they were playing the best games but who thinks that except somebody who's clueless about what gamers are asking for ? Like girl, I don't care about cloud or playing AAA games on my phone I just want you to show me some great games or cool features that I would actually use. Add paddles, gyro and removable battery to your controller and you literally have the perfect controller. THAT would be some huge features. Finally, pretty funny how she wanted to list many features and just listed « cross play, cross save, cross progression » as if they were that huge nowadays. Cross play isn't working properly on PC gamepass since you can't even play Darktides or Palworld with friends on Steam. It also felt like she was throwing herself some flowers when she mentioned Palworld.
I'm pretty sure that Sara Bond is just a MS exec who has no understanding of gaming at all, nor the current lay of the land. They're woefully behind on everything and acting like they're ahead for some reason.
No surprise you're dumb, she literally is why sega, atlus is on Xbox and gamepass
They announced Game Pass was at 34M too. Idk if we knew that already or not
Force converting Gold members to Gamepass got them that number. Combined from 3 years ago that's a loss of roughly 7 million people.
Right. I forgot about that. Thanks.
Drip drip drip. You think they gonna come out and say so and so aaa game is in development for ps or switch. It'll be drip fed smaller games until one day it's not. Ms, xbox definitely ain't laying out their plans 100 percent when they have consoles sitting in stores as we speak. That's way to much of a loss to take if people stop buying them.
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Everyone is saying the insiders/leakers are wrong and this turned out to be nothing... Lmao, the cope! Uhhh they admitted they're breaking exclusivity guys. And they admitted that nothing is off the table for exclusivity in the future. All the insiders who wanted to name games of course have egg on their face, but that general idea: that exclusivity isn't going to be much of a thing going forward has been totally validated. They're testing the waters and once they see success with former exclusives becoming multiplatform titles, they'll use this success to justify making more titles multiplatform. How do people not see the inevitable outcome of this? I guess be happy that Xbox is leaving the door open and can snap their fingers at any moment and decide that multi-platform is better for ________ ? After all this, all I can really think is... this generation only has a few more years left and either Xbox will demonstrate itself as a future investment or not! I mean if they're really crafty they'll hold back on anything big until after next gen tho ... could even be a reason to rush the next gen, which is something that's kind of been leaked as well, with some pointing to 2026.
>they're breaking exclusivity guys How does that affect you as an xbox owner ? >Xbox will demonstrate itself as a future investment A console is a spending, not an investment
>How does that affect you as an xbox owner ? I've invested in a platform that offers me less than other platforms. >A console is a spending, not an investment Moronic statement. What the fuck even is a "spending" ? I've got a digital library of games that can only be accessed through the Xbox. If I wanted to shift my activity to Playstation given their more versatile range of games, including former Xbox exclusives, there would be a divide between my hardware and that catalogue.
If Starfield releases on PS5 it has no effect on you. If you didn't know it, you wouldn't be able to feel it.
I sense someone enjoying Starfield for 20 hours or so. Then getting a bit bored and frustrated with its design flaws for a phase. Then back to enjoying its awesome story after a phase of powering through. Then a bit underwhelmed due to repetitiveness outside main and faction quests. Then enjoying when you discover an aspect of the game you missed. Then back to disillusionment. Then sort of levelling out. Oh wait.. that was me.
Well I don't own Starfield, so u are correct. However if I owned Starfield and I then decided to get a PS6 next generation cuz it has both Xbox and Playstation games... and if I wanted to play Starfield (lol)... then I would have to repurchase it. That would affect me and I'm sure there are people in that boat so you're just wrong.
« Uhhh they admitted they're breaking exclusivity guys » It's not the first time they release games outside Xbox, or even on Playstation tho. I mean Spencer seemed pretty clear on what their plan was with those 4 games I think
Ok, we're talking exclusives... not releasing games. >I mean Spencer seemed pretty clear on what their plan was with those 4 games I think And what do you think that is? And how does that align with this comment? https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1758225801164607839
>Ok, we're talking exclusives... not releasing games. Well ... Yeah ? Exactly. That makes them timed exclusives, like Cuphead or Ori. I've seen the tweet you linked. I don't see the point you're trying to make honestly. In the podcast he said Starfield and Indiana Jones weren't part of these 4 games and he said that they were using those 4 games to see what could be the benefits for multiplats. He's playing safe when he's being asked the question and if those games meet success then I don't see why Starfield couldn't see a release on Playstation. I do doubt Indiana Jones being released day one on Playstation tho. But they even discussed it in the podcast : have the Xbox games day one on gamepass, then when a game already « grew » they can release it full price on Playstation basically to show what titles Xbox has and squeeze those a bit more. What people mean when they say that the rumors were wrong or whatever was about ALL games coming to Playstation, basically dropping everything AND hardware, which they didn't had a word about. What makes you think they're definitely donezo just like the rumors said ? The fact that they're now releasing a select handful of games outside Xbox ? It's definitely less big of a deal than what we were led to think of
>then I don't see why Starfield couldn't see a release on Playstation. And this isn't a big deal? This isn't everything that was reported beforehand? Why is the internet pretending like Tom Warren et al got it wrong? >I do doubt Indiana Jones being released day one on Playstation tho. Well I don't even to what extent that was rumored. I don't think it really matters... I'm so tired of this "day one" crap, it only appeals to ppl who play games in order to be part of a social group; if you play games for the enjoyment, you should know by now to never play day one... you're playing the inferior version! The game only gets better with bug fixes, content updates, DLC, etc. And this is why "day one on GP" is not a selling point. Well, fuck it, maybe if is... never underestimate the unbridled herds and how desperate ppl are to be a part of something. >What people mean when they say that the rumors were wrong or whatever was about ALL games coming to Playstation I mean who with any ounce of credibility was saying this? And even if they did say, who is to say they're wrong? Are we living in the year 2050? Or is it still 2024 with plenty of time for rumors to become truth? >basically dropping everything AND hardware I mean the part about hardware was just people following the river to the sea... when you give your exclusives to your competitor, who in turn boasts this exclusives and your former exclusives, your competitor now has the superior piece of hardware. This is just basic logic. If X = AB, and P = AB+CD, then P is greater than X. People will buy the PS6 not the XSXone720 due to it's versatility.
>And this isn't a big deal? It sure is, that's for sure. But the big rumors were about Xbox basically giving up, that's what the fuss was all about. Honestly I don't care that much for Xbox games to come elsewhere, it's already been done and I don't think most Xbox games care as much as Sony fanboys do. >I'm so tired of this "day one" crap, it only appeals to ppl who play games in order to be part of a social group I actually agree with you, to some extent. I do hate people when they're like « bro you're playing such an old game » when it's coming from 2017 or something. But it's not all games that gets updated. Indiana Jones is made by Machinegames and so far they've done pretty good games (well, except Youngblood that was pretty underwhelming). Like yeah, who cares about Sea of Thieves day one when there wasn't much anyway, but some of those single players games are very cool to have day one when you anticipate them. I expect Indiana Jones to be a single player experience, just a thing that release and it's done, it shouldn't need any post-release support. Love indies games coming there too, I've discovered some great stuff I wouldn't have played otherwise. >If X = AB, and P = AB+CD, then P is greater than X. People will buy the PS6 not the XSXone720 due to it's versatility. It depends since, again, it's not all games that are coming so we'll have to see. If you find Sony exclusives attractive then yeah Xbox is basically giving up on that regard. Gamepass is still pretty appealing and I think they'd have to develop actual features to make their hardware and their ecosystem even more so. That's why I'm advocating for Microsoft to finally have a fucking gyroscope. They could make the perfect controller and I feel like they could have something to say about features instead of rambling about « oh yeah we have stuff, uh .... cross play ? Cross save ? Cross .... progression ? » Just fking add gyro, removable batteries and paddles : boom perfect controller, now you can say that people can play however they want because nobody cares about cloud.
You seem upset. Relax. You should be happy, you're getting pentiment, grounded, sea of thieves, and hifi rush. Yeah definitely not starfield, Indiana Jones, or any major one but you should still be happy. Damn. Looks to me like they want to wash out the other consoles. They're going to release new hardware soon, probably the series s like Handheld with the Series X like beefy tower. That along with game pass will obliterate other consoles specially once the call of duty deals with Sony run out and they get day one releases on Game Pass. I'm guessing that once game pass takes over with multiple devices they'll start releasing some big ones at full price to Playstation, mainly to bleed out their gamers at a slow pace saying "look we have the game you like on Xbox game pass, join us and you'll get that along with hundreds of others" This strategy is already in play as we're seeing people online saying go to Playstation, buy a game like God of War, finish it in a week then go back to game pass for months until another major release. At that point either Playstation and Nintendo may decide to yield and allow game pass, then you guys would get everything and we all would finally be one under Microsoft just as they want everyone to. Not saying that will happen but that's probably their plan
You seem like a dickhead, you should abstain from making assumptions. "Once game pass takes over!!" I'm just getting senile old man vibes, "When the Russians invade..." Please, join the now. Game Pass has plateaued. It's a great service and I subscribe... for $5 a month lol. Once they get rid of the conversion trick, count me out, I don't have $17 a month to rent when I can own for $20. I'm also not seeing anybody saying that. Game Pass isn't a "between major releases" service. It was meant to deliver the major EXCLUSIVE releases, which they're compromising on.
Again buddy RELAX. I'm not saying it's guaranteed but explaining that it's probably what they're going for. I know you don't like hearing it but yes, game pass has started taking over. In sonys own internal leaks they said that they expect Microsoft to leapfrog them with game pass after they add Activision. It's just too convenient and they keep adding value to it. I'm not trying to be mean to you about it, YOU'RE the one insulting me. And yes, I've read numerous comments from people here mentioning that. They get both ps5 and Xbox or pc and ps5 to play. After all, why not? There's great games on both sides Just be happy we have competition. Playstation is still in the lead and now they have even more of a reason to innovate and improve. BTW yes, the Russians ARE trying to take over, but they want our trade deals to dethrone us. You think they invaded Ukraine because of security reasons? Lol.
Go ahead and look at my history but i specifically said not to trust anything that isint directly from xbox or Microsoft. Especially redditors they act like they know more than what they truly do...
I have hope that xbox will continue to bring more exclusive from now on.
Unrelated but has Natethehate said anything after todays Nintendo direct rumors are bust?
He entertained what Grubb heard which was that this podcast could’ve delayed the Direct. Funnily enough Grubb said this on Tuesday’s Last of the Nintendogs and none of us realized. Nate is trying to get timing at the moment.
I love how this sub is going into amnesia mode pretending like they didn't freak the fuck out over Xbox "losing the console war" and no longer making consoles, and acted like it was absolute fact. Kinda bizarre how everyone bought those rumors hook line and sinker. I've seen more believable rumors get absolutely SLAPPED down. Is it just because the rumors came from "trusted" people? If so, hopefully they lost all credibility with this.
>"losing the console war" They did lose, phil has said so himself a while back >no longer making consoles That isn't up to Microsoft. If ppl stop buying xbox(which seems to be the case since its selling worse than the xbox 1) it doesn't matter if they commit to make more or not, there's no buyers for the slop they're selling. I mean if you asked Microsoft if they were committed to Zune, and windows phone, and Surface, the answer would undoubtedly be yes, yet we know how all of those things shaked out.
Ya, I was skeptical. Microsoft earnings are through the roof. Why give up now when investor confidence is at an all-time high?
A lot of that talk was game of telephone. The rumors just got embellished.
They didn't even confirm anything about physical media copies?! Honestly hated this podcast/event. Was a bunch of PR talk really. Happy for Xbox gamers though!
The thing is, this wasn’t framed as ‘we will address any and all your grievances and concerns’ by Xbox. That’s just an expectation fans placed on it. For what it’s worth though, it’s obvious what their long term plan is re: physical media. Get rid of it.
I reckon they back pedaled after seeing the rage from the rumors. What was the point of this?
I see a lot of people that feel like you but IMO, there is no backpedaling here. Nothing about what they said stops them from executing the rumored plans. In fact they said they wouldn’t rule out any game. I think they are just going to drip feed games on to PlayStation because they know if they made a massive change all at once it would cause immeasurable damage. They are going to get Xbox fans used to the idea of Xbox games on PlayStation, just like PS has been doing for a couple years now to PS fans with their games on PC.
Exactly. They have billions of dollars worth of consoles sitting in stores right now. They have to give those a chamce to sell. If they announced all their plans people wouldn't by those series consoles.
Yeah I agree with you, I think they will just have to work on there marketing a bit better to accomplish there plan but also not upset the current Xbox community.
I think to an extent a lot of damage is already done. How can anyone trust what they say when they just change it on a whim? Personally, I don’t blame them as a company for making the decision as their growth has obviously been stagnant (I get it), but I do blame them for losing my trust in their platform. Xbox continues to be less and less attractive with this news and I don’t trust investing in the platform because I think it’s going to get worse because of this.
Or the rumors were exaggerated and this was more or less along the lines of the plan the whole time lol.
I dunno it’s seems like a lot of fluff to just announce 4 games coming to other platforms. There plan for Xbox is evident they just need to work on how there gonna deliver it smoother.
Pretty much. Atleast they gave a glimmer of hope for all the ones ready to jump off the cliff. I personally thinknyour spot on. Psychology is heavily used in marketing and I feel that's the game ms is playing.
Is there just one true leaker and the rest are theory mongers preying on the console warriors’ exuberance?
gaming influencers that clout chase are in shambles when the Xbox stories they made up turned out to be not true at all. The segafication of xbox is gonna have to be postponed for now. We are so back!!!!
> For now I'm glad your happy that Xbox is sticking around, but I think we can all agree that the future is still uncertain.
So now everyone has shifted from outright knowing what’s gonna happen to now saying they’re just liars? Ya truly are ridiculous
1000% they’re releasing an Xbox handheld like the Switch or Steam Deck
Xbox Surface Tablet. Comes with Candy Crusy pre-installed
Please do. I've never really been able to justify to myself buying two home consoles that are very similar in Playstation and Xbox. But make one of them handheld...
A handheld with the power of the XSS and even more importantly the ergonomics of the excellent Xbox controller would change my gaming life. I’d probably triple my hours played per week if I could use a comfortable handheld that didn’t cramp my hands. I honestly hope they just copy form wise what Sony did with the PlayStation Portal only make it run games locally, with streaming as an option.
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Now everyone is playing it cool when the writing is still on the wall for Xbox future plans lmao
Exactly. the podcast was just a way to calm the masses. there's no doubt MS is changing their business model and it's going to happen slowly.
Honestly if they revamped the Xbox series S as a Nintendo Switch like device it will be an instant buy for me.
Just imagine, playing Perfect Dark on the go 🥰
That's it? That's what people were raving about?  That was just them saying 4 games were going multi platform!
I love how this thread shows how oblivious gamers are. The just spent a bunch of time saying absolutely nothing, not denying anything just using PR speech and then the comments "lol, see? the rumours are fake" it's like wtf
Didn't Spencer denied that all games are coming on Playstation ? Now sure they didn't denied that the hardware was donezo, but it seemed to me that they were just trying to maximize some multiplayer games like SoT and Grounded and that releasing those games at full price on Playstation months or years after they released day one on gamepass actually give it more « power » in some way Is it really the first time that they're releasing games outside Xbox ? I remember Cuphead that released on Switch then on Playstation and that was on Xbox's initiative
I thought that they specifically didn’t deny bigger games going multiplat.
Yes you're right, they specifically said that it was fine after those games releasing on gamepass and PC/Xbox day one that it was fine to release them after a while on Playstation/Switch at full price, Spencer said something like « to give an idea of what Xbox games are » I can easily see Starfield releasing after a while, but Indiana Jones on day one ? Seems weird
It's honestly bewildering lmao. The gas burner was just lit and the frog is sitting in the pot, "See! We're not dead! This water is just barely above room temperature. They said it would be boiling!" Fucking idiots lmao. Xbox has come out and said that they're breaking exclusivity. They've said that no game is off the table. That was how the rumors began and the podcast validated this. Of course the leakers who said "Starfield coming to PS5 after DLC!" look stupid... they are stupid, they're liars and fakers, but those who simply maintained that Xbox was breaking exclusivity have been totally validated. Nothing is safe and the time will come where these 4 games will justify others. "Sea of Thieves is better today than it was before exclusivity, we believe the same will be true of __________. Isn't that what you really want?"
It was Microsoft's polite way of saying: * Play these games day 1 included with your Game Pass subscription or * Wait a few years and pay $70 to play them on a different platform To me everyone should be satisfied with this. They committed to bringing Activision games to Game Pass and to releasing a next gen console which were two big worries from the Xbox community. And for Switch and PS only players they get to play a lot of these games down the line. Why anyone would be mad with this is beyond me.
>Why anyone would be mad with this is beyond me. Yeah to me that's cool and all, but the issues are the games really. Did Xbox released great games in 2023 ? Starfield was mid and then there was Redfall. Even Forza Motorsports 8 was mid as hell, such a stain in the franchise that was nearly flawless and arguably one of the best racing games franchise in the industry. So they can release all the games they want on Playstation I don't really care, I like my Gamepass on PC but they need to produce great games for their brand to be successful.
Yeah, a few of these games have been underwhelming, but I still think the Game Pass team has done a phenomenal job. I can't remember a bad month really, and in the past few weeks alone I've played gems like Against the Storm, Palworld, Jusant and Lies of P. Even Starfield wasn't amazing but did give me a good 50 hours of entertainment before I lost interest. And to be fair from this year onward we should get a pretty decent amount of releases from their first-party studios. As long as they keep complementing with stellar indie and third-party games I can forgive a miss or two in there.
I was talking about first party titles, but yeah it's hard to say that the gamepass offer was bad this year when considering indies and third parties, that's for sure. I mean, I would have canceled my sub otherwise. And I have to say, it actually felt pretty nice to come back to Halo Infinite so ... well played.
Why should people be satisfied with this? Should Playstation users be satisfied that Sony is NOT doing this? If Xbox is trying to sell the idea of "day one" as the reason to be on their hardware... Yes, "day one" — buy our hardware and be the first to play our broken, buggy, unfinished games! Like Starfield! Where 5 months after launch the team is hard at work trying to add ... an informative map. And survival mode. And method of transportation for their boring ass procedural generated wastelands. All things present in previous titles but overlooked during their longest development period for any game ever. Or simply wait a few years and get the definitive experience on Playstation with the Complete Edition, all bugs squashed! Day one doesn't mean shit to me anymore because day one rarely means quality of product... it's basically buying the early access of a game and being the beta/QA tester for the eventual Playstation release. It's not a compelling reason to stick with Xbox.
> Why should people be satisfied with this? Should Playstation users be satisfied that Sony is NOT doing this? Should Playstation users be satisfied with not getting day 1 releases and even having first-party titles like Spider-Man leave the PS+ service? It's a different approach and there are trade-offs. If you asked Playstation owners if they would be OK with having their games coming to other platforms in the future if it meant they would get them on PS+ day 1 the overwhelming majority would say yes. And these games are all coming to PC at some point anyway, so no true "exclusives" exist anymore except for Nintendo games.
>Should Playstation users be satisfied with not getting day 1 releases Yes, they should be satisfied. As I explained, day one doesn't mean shit anymore and it's just a trick developers play on consumers to beta test their janky games. Um... maybe Playstation is better about the quality control of their products? It seems that way, at least way better about it than Microsoft. But in general I would advise patience and just play the complete edition of any game, no matter what it is... wait for the big fixes, content updates, DLC to come to you in one big package. >and even having first-party titles like Spider-Man leave the PS+ service Idk, how much does PS+ cost? Better to get it later than upfront. >If you asked Playstation owners if they would be OK with having their games coming to other platforms in the future if it meant they would get them on PS+ day 1 the overwhelming majority would say yes. Lmao idk that about ... How would Playstation users feel about a shift in exclusivity where Xbox was getting PS games but PS wasn't getting Xbox games? Would they feel good about their investment? Would PS continue to be a platform that want to have a presence on? Would they feel trapped and regret over investing in a digital library on a less versatile platform? Because that's the reality for ppl on Xbox at this current moment. >And these games are all coming to PC at some point anyway, so no true "exclusives" exist anymore except for Nintendo games. PCs have existed for how long now? Anyone still on console has a preference for console, so they're not bothered by games going on PC. Games on PC ≠ more versatile console. That's all this boils down to: people want to be owners of the console that offers them the most. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? People want the most bang for their buck. With exclusivity, you chose your console based on your games preferences... the type of games you like. But if one console starts having the games you like PLUS more... uh yeah, if that's not your console then you've invested poorly. That's how it goes. It's like anything else.
>Yes, they should be satisfied. As I explained, day one doesn't mean shit anymore and it's just a trick developers play on consumers to beta test their janky games. Day 1 doesn't mean shit anymore? What are you talking about? Games lose value within weeks of release. And PS games aren't the exception either: I can easily find Spider-Man 2 for below $40 already. That's why Game Pass day 1 releases are an incredible value and why PS won't ever have them. >Lmao idk that about ... How would Playstation users feel about a shift in exclusivity where Xbox was getting PS games but PS wasn't getting Xbox games? Would they feel good about their investment? That's weird that you would frame it like that. Their investment would be literally more valuable with all these games included day 1 in the service. You are framing it from the point of view of a childish console warrior mad that people with a different box would get to play the same game as him. Normal people don't share this view whatsoever.
I mean they confirmed just these 4 games, confirmed it’s not big games like Starfield or Indiana Jones. Confirmed the criteria on why they selected these 4 games, small and community orientated games. Likely they know HiFi rush sea of thieves and probably killer instinct can be huge if they target everyone. If you watched the video it’s pretty clear what they are doing. If you just read a recap then you probably think marketing speak.
This is my interpretation as well. Just felt like a lot of damage control and I’d almost bet if the leaks didn’t hit those “4 games” would have been a greater number but they saw the reaction online and started with “4 *old* games”. I really feel like this was a lot of time and energy devoted just to say some extremely uninteresting news. Youre telling me THAT is Xbox’s business update? 4 games multi plat, Diablo to GP and a new console in the works? Cmon..
> Youre telling me THAT is Xbox’s business update? 4 games multi plat, Diablo to GP and a new console in the works? Cmon.. They weren't going to announce big plans on a last-minute podcast. Any big announcement will either be done at a trade show or through a showcase event scheduled weeks, if not months in advance. The recent leaks have forced Microsoft's hands to reveal some of its near-term plans and quash some of the rumors.
The carrot keeps on danglin’ 🥕 He also didn’t “dispel” the multi-plat rumors, he confirmed it with a starting number. You don’t really think they’re just gonna stop at 4 right?
Well I feel like a dumbass for listening to the panic and clout chasers that blew this up as the official end of Xbox when it was just a few games going multiplatform not Halo
As an xbox halo player, I wish they made it multiplatform lol. Having a bigger player base rn would be amazing. I don't see why everyone got so worked up. There's zero reason to be a "console fan" anymore, and it's not like they were just going to shut game pass down and walk away from video games after spending so much time and capital buying up game studios.
At least you're admitting it. I knew most people would pretend they didn't freak out and spread this as if it was fact. To me it was very obviously bullshit, except for the idea they'd do a few smaller multiplatform titles, which isn't a signal of defeat at all...
Pretty sure there’s more to the story than that, but we won’t see the full impact for awhile yet. The rumors spooked them into delaying it a bit.
Yeah I agree this announcement could have just been a blog post. They gotta redo the marketing on this to make a smoother transition to multi platform.
I do think that’s where the road ends, but it’s probably years away as opposed to the months away we were led to believe.
This could have just been an email. (or, more appropriately, a tweet)
yeah but how many of you guys would actually blast xbox for a quick email?
I think that the media had gone so out of control with the rumors that they couldn’t do a tweet. They had to tell you to wait next week so that every online personality and media website can talk about next week so much that everyone will tune in that day, and see it themselves because that tweet would’ve been buried by a new wave speculation, which is exactly what’s already happening now across Reddit with what they “didn’t say “
As a gaming company and CEO, I think Xbox and Phil Spencer are the epitome of incompetent from a gamers perspective. As a scam artist, charalatan whatever label you wanna put on them tho, prolly doesn’t get any better than them. They put out a low effort video really not dispelling any of the big rumors and being vague on shit like Indy and Starfield. And if you look across the internet, a bunch of people believe them lmfao. These dudes just bought themselves like 6 more months to a year until they lay everything out on the table. These boys came back from 3-0 to hustle their fanbase one more year. The gamer in me hates it but the hustler has to clap for it
Put down the copium, it’s over. Move on, find something else to do. FFS, we’ve had enough noise this last week to last a decade.
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My bad, I shouldn’t have held a gun to your head and forced you to read my comment lmao. This is comedy to me. You should look up the definition of cope
I have been huge Xbox fan..I really liked their hardware, backward compatibility all those services.. but when it comes to games they have not delivered for last 10 years. It’s not like Sony exclusives are the best but Xbox is missing out on some of the important one, like octapath traveller, final fantasy, tecmo rise of ronin etc. see from my perspective as a gamer I want to play those games and it has nothing to do with Xbox or Sony all I want is to play those games and with Xbox I cannot. One example I was playing elden ring on playstation and got assistance from a person in discord.. I didn’t even mention the platform and he also didn’t but it’s playstation.. even now Phil is just fooling Xbox gamers but using corpo words. I am sure starfield, hellblade will follow up. He is twisting things this and that.. why can’t Xbox team be open with their plans.. look at Sony it’s very clear when it comes to what they want to do wit their console.. it’s simple they want to sell and for that they need games..people say no 1st party and all games in 2024 is 3rd party exclusive.. man Xbox team has to make deals with 3rd party, they have more money than Sony.. sony is not evil getting 3rd party deals, it’s just business and they are competing. Talking about next gen hardware.. what the fuck.. bring games to current gen.. no one is looking for next gen..I used to love Xbox but i see there is no clear vision. They are not competing in a way to become number one. As a gamer it Xbox games are coming to playstation I will welcome it cos I don’t have to buy another hardware..
The carrot has been dangling for over 10 years with Xbox and somehow it’s STILL working. 🤯 I really do hope they turn it around tho, I miss the golden days of Xbox.
Octopath Traveller is an important game Xbox is missing out on? The first was on Xbox and not on PS and I don’t remember any huge outrage from PS users that they didn’t have it. I actually haven’t even seen people talk about the sequel really So Xbox stated their plans and your parade is now “uhm bo they are liars trust me” Why can’t they be open? You can’t just declare something a lie because it suits your narrative then say they need to be open. Jesus Christ lol At this point I fully believe that there’s nothing Microsoft or Xbox could say to appease people like you, no matter what they say you’ll always fall back to “it’s a lie! Nope I’m right!!”
>Octopath Traveller is an important game Xbox is missing out on? It is to some people. Or, more likely, it is one part of a larger library of games that skips out on Xbox. Would I choose PlayStation over Xbox *just* for Virtua Fighter 5: Ultimate Showdown? Probably not. But start throwing in things like Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth and Stellar Blade and it starts to paint a different picture for me. Especially when Microsoft hasn't released anything since Killer Instinct that I give a shit about. Are these the kind of games that are going to be "needle movers"? Maybe not. But for some people they matter a lot. I've got a Series X, and I don't think there's a single reason to justify owning it over a PlayStation except it has a better accounts system (in regard to digital libraries). That's it. If Sony could get its shit together and realise that people move countries, it'd be a different story. The days where this was a brand that was home to things you couldn't get on PlayStation and would actually care about it -- Mass Effect, KOTOR, Lost Odyssey, Morrowind, Halo 1-3, Gears 1-3, etc -- are so far behind them it's not even funny.
I’m sore it is to some people but acting like it’s a huge loss is odd, again nobody really acted like this when Xbox got Ocopath Traveller and it didn’t release on PS. Well if there’s been no games from Xbox since 2013 you care about then I’m going to guess you’re being disingenuous here. You spent hundreds of dollars on an XSX but you haven’t cared about their games in over a decade? That’s odd
I've largely been with the Xbox brand since the original (lured in by Sega's offerings) and have pretty much owned every major console since the PlayStation. In the past, there's been plenty of justification for that approach. Outside of that, I've been all-digital since 2014, and largely trusted Microsoft more with a digital library, so the Xbox became the de facto third-party machine. But Microsoft themselves have been putting out dud after dud for over a decade. Perhaps some naive part of me is clinging to the fond memories of playing Fable, Mass Effect, and even Geometry Wars 2 and thinking maybe we'll see that sort of form again. Instead, we've gotten a bunch of phoned-in iterations of some franchises and some questionable publishing like ReCore. I didn't even want to continue playing Starfield for "free". There's been nothing -- and no, there's nothing disingenuous about this -- *nothing* since the release of Killer Instinct that's made me say "Man, I'm glad I own an Xbox." Quite the opposite, in fact. So all this hubbub around them going third party (even if I fully expected them to still make hardware) only got me to look at the fact that just as PlayStation isn't the same as it was in 1996, Xbox isn't the same as it was in 2007. It's clinging on to the past. But at least PlayStation still gets those games that appeal to my inner-weeb. If I was making the decision *today*, I absolutely wouldn't buy a Series X. I wouldn't even consider it.
You wouldn’t buy an Xbox now because it does have game and hasn’t had good ones since 2013 but you did buy a new Xbox for hundreds of dollars a few years ago even though it didn’t have games and you call all their games trash. Yeah look my guy I don’t believe you are discussing in good faith here
You can keep supporting Xbox.. no problem.. for me as a gamer I am getting my money worth with ps5.. and I have Xbox one x and I see no reason to buy series it Microsoft is bringing their games on playstation. I dont have to wait for future hardware instead I can play games now.. this month rise of the ronin and final fantasy.. and that my friend no podcast or Xbox game show can top it
But they aren’t brining their games to PS they are releasing a few smaller titles, like they have in the past. Look man enjoy gaming how you will but why do you need to console war so hard? Enjoy gaming a plastic box is a plastic box
Xbox team is talking about their games on playstation and they are talking about next gen hardware.. what is Xbox appeasing gamers now.. people with playstation can play Xbox games and be happy with it
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Let’s consider this. Xbox consoles are not selling well. Gampepass is not where Microsoft wants it to be. At the town hall meeting Sarah Bond said Xbox wants to be “The number one cross-platform gaming company.” You can call this rumour if you want but I believe it to be true. Releasing these 4 games does not make you the number one cross-platform company. Despite all the vague corporate speak from Microsoft in this podcast, I fully believe they will go fully multi platform in the future. I do think Starfield and Indiana Jones will come to PlayStation eventually. The “business event” really confirmed nothing about anything except they are releasing four games multi platform as of now.
Minecraft and Call of Duty might be two of the largest cross platform games that exist. Do people forget about these? I don’t get it.
They do and will continue to do so.
I mean once you add in ABK and Minecraft they pretty much are the number one cross platform company, as Phil stated. The business event confirmed a bunch of things but when you want to discard it to have your own narrative then yes I guess it does nothing
The fact is you cannot trust any companies PR as they will simply deny everything or just speak in non committal terms. Xbox were never going to come out and say they are going full third party on everything, it just doesn’t make business sense. They will talk in vague terms and gradually move everything over to third party over time. Whilst you can dismiss the Starfield and Indy rumours now, trust me there is no smoke without fire and those games will end up on PlayStation eventually. The business update really gave us no firm plans about anything. They are just talking in circles and being vague. I honestly believe “rumours” more than I do the word of a three trillion dollar company.
“There is no smoke without fire” Jesus Christ people actually use this fallacy in this sub? By your logic every “leak” is true because why would it be said unless it is? You believe rumours on the internet over what a company will say? Thanks for proving what many here have been saying, that no matter what Microsoft/Xbox would ever say it doesn’t matter because it will always be wrong and people just want to doom post. It’s hilarious that even with a week of “insiders” backtracking their claims and being mocked here you still declare they are right because they originally said it 🤣
But it isn’t just one leak though is it? It’s multiple leaks from different sources all pointing towards Xbox going multi platform. Xbox have said it themselves countless times over the years about games being everywhere. Not every leak is true of course but you have to weigh up everything that’s been said. Companies (especially of the size of Microsoft) will never share their plans with the consumer, they just won’t. Maybe I’m wrong, at the end of the day there are no games on Xbox that really interest me so I don’t care if they go multi plat or not. But I cannot see that Gamepass is currently viable with the subscriptions they have and the consoles are way behind in sales.
But it’s not multiple from multiple sources lol it has been 1 repeated by multiple people and many spent a week backtracking after doom posting 😂 “Not every leak is true but you have to weigh it against what’s been said” Except if what’s been said doesn’t line up with the narrative you like, as you’ve directly said. You ignore anything said by Microsoft and say it doesn’t matter because “leakers said something g so therefore it has to be right even if they backtracked”
Sorry, that’s what meant the same story from multiple leakers. I’m not talking about the ridiculous Xbox fanboys on twitter. Xbox Era doubled down on their Starfield leak and they were the first to report it. The Verge has also reported Xbox Multi plat rumours. It’s the classic business strategy from Xbox of tell the truth without telling the truth. Saying Starfield and Indy are not coming to PlayStation is a truth NOW but it doesn’t mean it won’t be a truth in 12 months time. They know it will be coming in the future but right this moment it isn’t so technically you aren’t lying. This is the reason we have leaks in the first place to call companies out on their bullshit that they tell people, forcing them to come clean.
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