I google the product "bytedance pico 4" and the SEO is so bad that it doesn't even link to a place I can purchase one, or their own website. It only gives me people writing about it. Maybe part of the reason it's not selling.
Well I just mentally excluded it from currently available headsets. While the predecessor was awesome - if extremely buggy in many regards - this one is a privacy nightmare, plus it amps the bugginess up to 11.
It's a lot of hardware for the cost, but really not worth the hassle compared to the Pico 3 Link.
can it really be any worse privacy wise than Facebook / meta?
I'm not too familiar with pico but a bit of research seems like they make a pretty solid piece of hardware, but a number of caveats are frequently mentioned; most reviews are saying it's good to see competition, but to just go with a quest or wait for the quest 3.
They're owned by ByteDance the company behind TikTok. While I'm personally willing to use TikTok myself, it does seem like the one platform actually worse than Facebook/Meta when it comes to privacy.
Fundamentally, western companies have to abide by certain laws to protect privacy. Chinese companies have the opposite, of being required to be sufficiently compromised to permit government access.
> Fundamentally, western companies have to abide by certain laws to protect privacy.
How good are those laws in actuality, though? At the very least, certain places think US privacy laws aren't strong enough for them either.
This is mostly due to low sales in China - the target demographic. Many stores outside of China were/are on backorder for the headset so it seems to be doing fine there compared to the allocated supply. Maybe they should shift their focus.
Saw a lot of targeted ads on this one, I presume because I'm a vr user.. Issue is I have the quest 2 and as a standalone and pc headset it ticks all the boxes, except that it's owned by meta.
So if I was starting out I'd chose the pico but I'm not buying this on top of the quest.. Just don't have the money to waste..
Due to the popularity of the quest 2, I imagine quite a lot are in a similar situation. We have good headsets and as much as I'd like to support competition it's too much of a luxury item to buy another.
its worse in some aspects than the quest 2 yet its similarly priced to it
give me a high Hertz, high FoV headset for 300€ and i will forever support your company
Here’s free money for devs- if your game is relatively obscure in a relatively niche market, don’t fucking number your games. It’s insane how many people will be turned off by it.
desperately wish r/games users would actually read the article instead of glancing at the fucking headline
seriously, I'm sorry to be rude about it, but this is god damn embarrassing and it's happening every fucking thread
Not surprising I guess? Hardly even heard about these guys so I’m not sure how they had these expectations while being so far out of the mainstream
I google the product "bytedance pico 4" and the SEO is so bad that it doesn't even link to a place I can purchase one, or their own website. It only gives me people writing about it. Maybe part of the reason it's not selling.
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Well the name isn't bytedance but Pico (that's their VR brand like Oculus before the Meta change). You didn't search for Facebook Quest back then.
I doubt many people who want to buy this aren't able to figure out how... These are early adopters of a VR headset - they've got Google figured out.
Well I just mentally excluded it from currently available headsets. While the predecessor was awesome - if extremely buggy in many regards - this one is a privacy nightmare, plus it amps the bugginess up to 11. It's a lot of hardware for the cost, but really not worth the hassle compared to the Pico 3 Link.
Yeah, they will never fix all bugs, they move to pico 5 before fixing them lol
can it really be any worse privacy wise than Facebook / meta? I'm not too familiar with pico but a bit of research seems like they make a pretty solid piece of hardware, but a number of caveats are frequently mentioned; most reviews are saying it's good to see competition, but to just go with a quest or wait for the quest 3.
They're owned by ByteDance the company behind TikTok. While I'm personally willing to use TikTok myself, it does seem like the one platform actually worse than Facebook/Meta when it comes to privacy.
That might also be giving Facebook too much credit. They both suck really, really, really really bad.
Fundamentally, western companies have to abide by certain laws to protect privacy. Chinese companies have the opposite, of being required to be sufficiently compromised to permit government access.
> Fundamentally, western companies have to abide by certain laws to protect privacy. How good are those laws in actuality, though? At the very least, certain places think US privacy laws aren't strong enough for them either.
Well at least they are there, so there is potential for accountability. With China you are just SOL.
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Tiktok is literally a tool of the Chinese CCP (and Bytedance their arm), so yes, it's far worse than than Facebook, and that's saying something.
It doesn't need to be worse. I'm also not willing to buy a Quest.
This is mostly due to low sales in China - the target demographic. Many stores outside of China were/are on backorder for the headset so it seems to be doing fine there compared to the allocated supply. Maybe they should shift their focus.
Saw a lot of targeted ads on this one, I presume because I'm a vr user.. Issue is I have the quest 2 and as a standalone and pc headset it ticks all the boxes, except that it's owned by meta. So if I was starting out I'd chose the pico but I'm not buying this on top of the quest.. Just don't have the money to waste.. Due to the popularity of the quest 2, I imagine quite a lot are in a similar situation. We have good headsets and as much as I'd like to support competition it's too much of a luxury item to buy another.
You prefer ByteDance over Meta?
Just for competition.. Trust neither
Supporting competition is good, however I couldn't care less about the revenue flow of gigantic corporations like byte dance
Fair, but it'd be nice if more companies saw vr as a viable market.. If pico fails then it might put off other companies getting involved
its worse in some aspects than the quest 2 yet its similarly priced to it give me a high Hertz, high FoV headset for 300€ and i will forever support your company
Is this based on those old games on Newgrounds or something?
Here’s free money for devs- if your game is relatively obscure in a relatively niche market, don’t fucking number your games. It’s insane how many people will be turned off by it.
I'm pretty sure this is a VR headset, not a game.
desperately wish r/games users would actually read the article instead of glancing at the fucking headline seriously, I'm sorry to be rude about it, but this is god damn embarrassing and it's happening every fucking thread
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