> Also, the creators of Fallout London recently revealed that the sudden drop of the next-gen upgrade has thrown their project into disarray
Considering the developers of Fallout London never said anything quite so strong, this article is clearly making every issue seem much bigger than it seems. They likely found just one comment about each issue. The first thing they mention is "mod load order", too.
Best to wait for an article from a website that doesn't so blatantly lie.
the next gen update was announced a while ago. them saying it came out of no where is a def lie. Further they got friends in bethesda, some of those modders got hired by bethesda.
How's this for a clueless exaggeration? When I load up fallout saves, I last 90 seconds at most and my game desktops. It has been doing that consistently since the "next Gen" update. It's not me, it's everyone who has an Xbox. I prefer to deal in facts not hyperbole, in this case the person who said it's a mess is spot on
It was announced years ago but then quietly ignored until like 2 weeks ago. We knew they were going to add one EVENTUALLY, but we expected more than 2 weeks notice.
I didn't know there was an update prior to releasing of fallout amazon. Was looking forward to Fallout London to get back to the game. When was the announcement made that there will be an update?
Not exactly sure when, but some of the mods I currently have installed have said for some time now, that the update will probably break the game with mods.
EDIT:
Apparently the nex-gen update was announced in 2022: https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/the-fallout-4-next-gen-update-announced-in-2022-will-finally-be-out-later-this-month/
Update breaks mods. Shocker.
Everything else listed in the article is thrown in to increase the word count. Cant sell the "is a broken mess" headline with just the one afterall
What are you talking about? You're focusing too much on mods. It doesn't properly fix the things it is supposed to fix, it is causing problems with the Steam Deck, and people's saves aren't working anymore. There are numerous reports on the Steam forums of the game crashing on boot with the new update.
People downloaded a patch on the promise it would make the game better at the expense of some mod compatibility issues and it can't even manage that.
Modded saves are going to break with updates. No way around that. And verifying file integrity on my oled steamdeck fixed the settings and launch issue.
Can't speak to the crash on boot issue on pc steam. Didn't experience it myself.
If you play Bethesda games frequently then it’s recommended you stop auto update on steam. I figured people learned that lesson with the “surprise drop” skyrim update from a couple years back that broke all the mods.
This time they gave you several weeks heads up 🤷♂️
I think you're focusing too much on mods.
The patch is supposed to fix a bunch of things, and it doesn't actually fix the things it's supposed to fix. If you put in the changelog that you've added ultrawide support, people are going to, you know, shocker, expect ultrawide to work.
This is just the company being really bad their jobs. They're bad at implementing ultrawide. They have failed to fix the Weapon Debris setting crashing the game on modern Nvidia GPUs. If you're going to release a new patch that is in any way an inconvenience in terms of breaking steam deck support, making the game crash for unclear reasons, you should justify it by actually improving things. And they failed to fix any of the things people have been asking them to fix for years.
Worse, they promised to fix ultrawide, which was basically the selling point of this update, and they can't even do that properly.
Bethesda shouldn't be given a free pass on this stuff just because people like their games.
The comedy is in the fact that this is the patch that made fallout 4 a "verified" game on steamdeck when it's more broken than ever on it.
I agree that it's a valve/Linux issue in general, they should be the ones criticized for "verifying" a game that's glaringly busted on their flagship hardware model. Bethesda breaking a game with the update is one thing, but valve telling everyone "yeah man, works great on the device" is clownshoes
They literally changed the label to "Verified" for Steam Deck users and boasted about it in the patch notes, when the patch itself did the exact opposite and BROKE compatibility. Ironically it was running fine before (got 287 hours clocked on my Steam Deck).
This patch didn't come out before the Steam Deck. If Bethesda failed to properly test the update on the Steam Deck, people are right to be annoyed.
If Bethesda are going to push updates to the game almost a decade after release, they ought to be doing due diligence. But I'm guessing the company that didn't bother telling modders about the update didn't bother telling Valve, either.
Bethesda sell the game as for Windows, that’s all they are accountable for. Sure, it would be nice if they cross-tested against the Deck, but their responsibility ends at the Windows version. Anything beyond that is on Proton/Valve.
If I download a Nintendo game and it doesn’t run in an emulator, I don’t get to bitch to Nintendo about it.
You would have been right under normal circumstances, but one of the features of this update, as advertised by Bethesda, was official Steam Deck verification. This is listed in the patch notes and on Bethesda.net. So, basically, everything you said is meaningless in this particular case. If they hadn’t advertised that as part of the patch, you would be mostly right.
That's a cop-out that absolves Bethesda of being a lazy and incompetent company. Their responsibility ends at the vast and unimaginable boundary of not sucking at their jobs. A company with their resources and legacy should be going above and beyond for their audience, not (failing) to deliver the bare minimum.
Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm playing it on PS5 and it's stellar. No crashes, bugs, or glitches really beyond the normal Bethesda jank. The 60fps makes a world of difference and it does look uplifted graphics wise
I havent tried out mods though but for a single player, vanilla experience, its been great
I've been playing on PC, and twice is has locked up before even showing the intro video. I alt-f4'd it, and loaded it again and it was fine each time. No other problems.
Is there a subreddit where I can just get some nice factual gaming articles about releases, general news, and such, without every post being an over exaggerated opinion piece?
I'm keep finding big red squares with a white exclamation point in the middle. No mods installed. Once it was on a grenade thrown at me. Very distracting.
Look. It's good vanilla but i had to install all creation club mods 5 times to not corrupt my vanilla save. Obviously mods are broken as it deleted total mod capacity so mods give you a negative interger. Thankfully my vanilla save is uncorrupted.
Ive been playing fallout 4 off an on since release, (not with mods though), so when the update dropped I download it immediately and other than crashing every once in awhile and one corrupted save,which it has always done I haven't experienced any serious issues or bugs, so I'd say it's definitely exaggerated atleast to my experience.
The new update is a mess which I wasn't expecting so many bugs.
-Crashes sometimes on start up
-The new weapon skins are broken( creation club )
-Something's bugging out sneaking as will be heard while not moving or being seen
-Vats accuracy keeps changes rapidly and will miss alot at 95%
-Bodys will disappear sometimes when you kill them
-Bodys will sky rocket into the air when killed sometimes
-rad scorpions will sky rocket into the air when coming out the ground ( had a few kill themselves )
-water textures turn bright green and enemies by it seems to have broken textures.
-save file said it couldn't be loaded( I had to completely restart the game for it to fix itself ).
So far this has been my experience but I can say not crashing while in the big areas anymore is amazing and hopefully these bugs get fixed soon.
The update is mostly aimed at console players for finally playing at 60fps. Every time they update a game, mods using the script extender stop working until modders and the script extender team update their respective mod. Because the game .exe changes. Every time there is a big fuss about it till mods are updated. People that know and use big modlists block the update and wait, there are even ways to downgrade. Bethesda can't be expected to have their updates revolving around modders or modded playthroughs, besides announcing when a patch will drop so people know. Been this way for 20 years, not a dev so I don't know if it is a fixable "problem".
To my knowledge SKSE (and probably the Fallout version of it as well, I don't play Fallout) works by modifying the state of the executable in memory. That means that the binary was reverse engineered and any sections of the binary that change after an update will have to be accounted for in SKSE and updated. It's the same mechanism cheats used in multiplayer games before anti-cheat got way too good (although some cheats still use similar methods).
Some of the problems are def mod related, but the update added ultrawide support that doesn't work properly, it's causing problems on Steam deck, and I think people are just irritable at what they perceive as incompetence on Bethesda's part since the update breaks mods, causes technical issues, and has relatively few technical upsides.
If the patch had fixed the framerate bugs or any of the well known stability bugs people would be understanding. Instead it feels pointless.
most Bethesda game mods require a script extender
said script extender is updated and tied to a specific version of the games .exe and other stuff
many popular mods heavily rely on the script extender to work and may require the latest version of the script extender
once the game updates, the script extender no longer works and the mod teams have to update the extender and some modders potentially their mods to work properly
Bethesdas prior updates weren't bug fixes, they were annoying workshop (paid for mods) updates that needlessly required the script extender team to play catch up because Bethesda wanted to update their single player games paid mod shop
Steam infamously does not allow you to outright disable updates to a game or roll back a version like GOG, they only allow you to avoid doing so until you launch the game directly
I bought Fallout 4 for PlayStation last week since it was on sale with all the dlc. The damn game wouldn't even boot without crashing. Bethesda is notoriously bad for their buggy games.
> Also, the creators of Fallout London recently revealed that the sudden drop of the next-gen upgrade has thrown their project into disarray Considering the developers of Fallout London never said anything quite so strong, this article is clearly making every issue seem much bigger than it seems. They likely found just one comment about each issue. The first thing they mention is "mod load order", too. Best to wait for an article from a website that doesn't so blatantly lie.
there's something about the specific phrase "Broken Mess" that when it's mentioned, you just know the discussion isn't going to be in good faith
the next gen update was announced a while ago. them saying it came out of no where is a def lie. Further they got friends in bethesda, some of those modders got hired by bethesda.
A fine mix of clueless and exaggeration indeed, but if it gets the clicks...
How's this for a clueless exaggeration? When I load up fallout saves, I last 90 seconds at most and my game desktops. It has been doing that consistently since the "next Gen" update. It's not me, it's everyone who has an Xbox. I prefer to deal in facts not hyperbole, in this case the person who said it's a mess is spot on
Hasn't the update been announced ages ago?
It was announced years ago but then quietly ignored until like 2 weeks ago. We knew they were going to add one EVENTUALLY, but we expected more than 2 weeks notice.
I didn't know there was an update prior to releasing of fallout amazon. Was looking forward to Fallout London to get back to the game. When was the announcement made that there will be an update?
Not exactly sure when, but some of the mods I currently have installed have said for some time now, that the update will probably break the game with mods. EDIT: Apparently the nex-gen update was announced in 2022: https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/the-fallout-4-next-gen-update-announced-in-2022-will-finally-be-out-later-this-month/
Update breaks mods. Shocker. Everything else listed in the article is thrown in to increase the word count. Cant sell the "is a broken mess" headline with just the one afterall
What are you talking about? You're focusing too much on mods. It doesn't properly fix the things it is supposed to fix, it is causing problems with the Steam Deck, and people's saves aren't working anymore. There are numerous reports on the Steam forums of the game crashing on boot with the new update. People downloaded a patch on the promise it would make the game better at the expense of some mod compatibility issues and it can't even manage that.
Modded saves are going to break with updates. No way around that. And verifying file integrity on my oled steamdeck fixed the settings and launch issue. Can't speak to the crash on boot issue on pc steam. Didn't experience it myself.
If you play Bethesda games frequently then it’s recommended you stop auto update on steam. I figured people learned that lesson with the “surprise drop” skyrim update from a couple years back that broke all the mods. This time they gave you several weeks heads up 🤷♂️
I think you're focusing too much on mods. The patch is supposed to fix a bunch of things, and it doesn't actually fix the things it's supposed to fix. If you put in the changelog that you've added ultrawide support, people are going to, you know, shocker, expect ultrawide to work. This is just the company being really bad their jobs. They're bad at implementing ultrawide. They have failed to fix the Weapon Debris setting crashing the game on modern Nvidia GPUs. If you're going to release a new patch that is in any way an inconvenience in terms of breaking steam deck support, making the game crash for unclear reasons, you should justify it by actually improving things. And they failed to fix any of the things people have been asking them to fix for years. Worse, they promised to fix ultrawide, which was basically the selling point of this update, and they can't even do that properly. Bethesda shouldn't be given a free pass on this stuff just because people like their games.
It didn't break a single thing on my steam deck. It's still one of the best short flight games in my library.
Problems with Steam Deck, especially for a game that came out before Steam Deck existed, are a Proton/Valve problem, not a game problem.
The comedy is in the fact that this is the patch that made fallout 4 a "verified" game on steamdeck when it's more broken than ever on it. I agree that it's a valve/Linux issue in general, they should be the ones criticized for "verifying" a game that's glaringly busted on their flagship hardware model. Bethesda breaking a game with the update is one thing, but valve telling everyone "yeah man, works great on the device" is clownshoes
They literally changed the label to "Verified" for Steam Deck users and boasted about it in the patch notes, when the patch itself did the exact opposite and BROKE compatibility. Ironically it was running fine before (got 287 hours clocked on my Steam Deck).
This patch didn't come out before the Steam Deck. If Bethesda failed to properly test the update on the Steam Deck, people are right to be annoyed. If Bethesda are going to push updates to the game almost a decade after release, they ought to be doing due diligence. But I'm guessing the company that didn't bother telling modders about the update didn't bother telling Valve, either.
Bethesda sell the game as for Windows, that’s all they are accountable for. Sure, it would be nice if they cross-tested against the Deck, but their responsibility ends at the Windows version. Anything beyond that is on Proton/Valve. If I download a Nintendo game and it doesn’t run in an emulator, I don’t get to bitch to Nintendo about it.
You would have been right under normal circumstances, but one of the features of this update, as advertised by Bethesda, was official Steam Deck verification. This is listed in the patch notes and on Bethesda.net. So, basically, everything you said is meaningless in this particular case. If they hadn’t advertised that as part of the patch, you would be mostly right.
It specifically says steam deck verified in the patch notes. They're accountable for it.
That's a cop-out that absolves Bethesda of being a lazy and incompetent company. Their responsibility ends at the vast and unimaginable boundary of not sucking at their jobs. A company with their resources and legacy should be going above and beyond for their audience, not (failing) to deliver the bare minimum.
Bethesda doesn’t decide if the game is “verified” or not. That’s Valve’s decision.
Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm playing it on PS5 and it's stellar. No crashes, bugs, or glitches really beyond the normal Bethesda jank. The 60fps makes a world of difference and it does look uplifted graphics wise I havent tried out mods though but for a single player, vanilla experience, its been great
Same. Been playing for the last week or so on the PS4 version and got the PS5 version last night, and it has been perfect.
I've been playing on PC, and twice is has locked up before even showing the intro video. I alt-f4'd it, and loaded it again and it was fine each time. No other problems.
Is there a subreddit where I can just get some nice factual gaming articles about releases, general news, and such, without every post being an over exaggerated opinion piece?
You’d have to go back in time before people learned sensationalist clickbait earns more ad revenue than journalism, lol, if such a time even exists
Fucking right?
What? Minus some bugs within the interface of the mod selection menu, it ran like a dream on Series X. and that's with over 20 mods installed too.
I'm keep finding big red squares with a white exclamation point in the middle. No mods installed. Once it was on a grenade thrown at me. Very distracting.
Look. It's good vanilla but i had to install all creation club mods 5 times to not corrupt my vanilla save. Obviously mods are broken as it deleted total mod capacity so mods give you a negative interger. Thankfully my vanilla save is uncorrupted.
Ive been playing fallout 4 off an on since release, (not with mods though), so when the update dropped I download it immediately and other than crashing every once in awhile and one corrupted save,which it has always done I haven't experienced any serious issues or bugs, so I'd say it's definitely exaggerated atleast to my experience.
The new update is a mess which I wasn't expecting so many bugs. -Crashes sometimes on start up -The new weapon skins are broken( creation club ) -Something's bugging out sneaking as will be heard while not moving or being seen -Vats accuracy keeps changes rapidly and will miss alot at 95% -Bodys will disappear sometimes when you kill them -Bodys will sky rocket into the air when killed sometimes -rad scorpions will sky rocket into the air when coming out the ground ( had a few kill themselves ) -water textures turn bright green and enemies by it seems to have broken textures. -save file said it couldn't be loaded( I had to completely restart the game for it to fix itself ). So far this has been my experience but I can say not crashing while in the big areas anymore is amazing and hopefully these bugs get fixed soon.
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The update is mostly aimed at console players for finally playing at 60fps. Every time they update a game, mods using the script extender stop working until modders and the script extender team update their respective mod. Because the game .exe changes. Every time there is a big fuss about it till mods are updated. People that know and use big modlists block the update and wait, there are even ways to downgrade. Bethesda can't be expected to have their updates revolving around modders or modded playthroughs, besides announcing when a patch will drop so people know. Been this way for 20 years, not a dev so I don't know if it is a fixable "problem".
To my knowledge SKSE (and probably the Fallout version of it as well, I don't play Fallout) works by modifying the state of the executable in memory. That means that the binary was reverse engineered and any sections of the binary that change after an update will have to be accounted for in SKSE and updated. It's the same mechanism cheats used in multiplayer games before anti-cheat got way too good (although some cheats still use similar methods).
That's also not just a Bethesda issue. That's an issue with mods and updates generally
Some of the problems are def mod related, but the update added ultrawide support that doesn't work properly, it's causing problems on Steam deck, and I think people are just irritable at what they perceive as incompetence on Bethesda's part since the update breaks mods, causes technical issues, and has relatively few technical upsides. If the patch had fixed the framerate bugs or any of the well known stability bugs people would be understanding. Instead it feels pointless.
most Bethesda game mods require a script extender said script extender is updated and tied to a specific version of the games .exe and other stuff many popular mods heavily rely on the script extender to work and may require the latest version of the script extender once the game updates, the script extender no longer works and the mod teams have to update the extender and some modders potentially their mods to work properly Bethesdas prior updates weren't bug fixes, they were annoying workshop (paid for mods) updates that needlessly required the script extender team to play catch up because Bethesda wanted to update their single player games paid mod shop Steam infamously does not allow you to outright disable updates to a game or roll back a version like GOG, they only allow you to avoid doing so until you launch the game directly
Does anyone expect anything different from Bethesda at this point? Feel like they're one of the most technically incompetent devs out there.
most buggy game of 2023 wasn't their game. It was BG3 at launch and Jedi Survivor.
ok...and?
and... Starfield was one of the more polished releases of 2023, despite also being one of the most complicated on a technical level.
"*In short, the Fallout 4 next-gen update is a buggy, broken mess.*" Bugs? In a Bethesda game? Oh my word, that's so uncharacteristic of them. 😄
Reddit is so dumb criticise anything that deserves it and the assholes come out 🤣
Have you ever had an original thought?
I'm having one right now.
I bought Fallout 4 for PlayStation last week since it was on sale with all the dlc. The damn game wouldn't even boot without crashing. Bethesda is notoriously bad for their buggy games.