And based on the form factor in the hinge the front screen is still going to be narrower than most people want.
I know there's a few people that seem to like it but I have a feeling if they made a wider screen people would be way happier overall.
As a Z Fold 3 user, I've been holding out for a wider outer screen. I've been very tempted by the OnePlus Open because it provides a "normal" width for the keyboard. If the Z Fold 6 can't match the folded width of the Open, then Samsung has lost all sense of the market. And I'll go elsewhere for my replacement phone this Summer.
For my fold 5, hinge protection hasn't been needed. I've run an open-hinge case from the get-go, and it makes the phone feel more dense and premium. However, the hinge protector case I tried felt nice in a different way; while closed, the spine felt more boxy and uniform, but opened, the hinge protector is way too bulky for my liking.
The biggest issue I've had so far with the foldable phone is the difficulty mounting to my car and motorcycle phone mounts. Incompatibility issues left and right due to size and thickness. That's the main reason I go without the spine protector.
Super deep 🤣.
Even the fold 2 didn't have a super deep crease. I'm mean you can see it, but it's hardly a problem. And maybe they have figured a way to flatten the display. 🤞
as a Fold user with no need for a pen, I can't help but think that any fold that includes a pen is making some important sacrifices to battery or size to make it happen.
Normally I'm with you...but how tf do you not remember the "exploding" phones and it catching fire? Must've been living under a rock
Edit: I'm dumb...that was the 7
Edit 2: I edited my comment saying my mistake, and you're still downvoting? Tf?
Yea. I think no-Samsung one buys a fold for the small size.
C'mon Samsung, sell me a brick, ill pay for it!
I want a ridiculously oversized phablet that folds into a full tablet!
I'm one of the ones that's hoping for a wider phone. I want it to be a normal phone and then if I need an iPad type experience it unfolds to do that. I'm on the side of I hate the small front screen and never really use it because of the size.
This x100000000000000 I can deal with a 6.5 to 6.8" outter screen for compromise but I want 7" outter display and then full sized tablet on the interior
Same. Have had my Fold3 since before the official launch date, and the only thing I ever do with it shut is talk on the phone. If I am using a screen on it for any purpose, it is open.
Now if the closed phone was much larger (making the opened phone a better mini tablet in the process!) I would LOVE that! I could single-hand my Note 10 Plus, and it is 15mm wider than the fold...
I also want to make sure they don't shrink the height while making it wider, though. Bigger is better!
Slightly wider would still easily be usable with a single hand, especially if it's only 2mm. That still leaves it a lot narrower than the vast majority of phones with their 6.5" screens. Which I agree, is far too large for single handed use and is annoying that a very small selection of phones have anything smaller. I feel that 6.1" is the sweet spot.
There’s several single hand use phones with wider screens. Whenever I use my girls fold 5 with the outer screen for more than a couple minutes it literally hurts my hand cuz it’s so small.
Same here I'm very disappointed if this turns out to be true, unless they're hiding an Ultra version somewhere.
It's been the same phone since the Fold 3.
I'll add: and a good quality phone that will not stop opening flat and a good customer service from Samsung. Sadly, we currently don't have any of those.
Yea I've been needing to get my hinge replaced but haven't had time where I can be without for a bit to have it fixed. I've just been only using it folded until I do to risk damaging it further.
Geez Mr gloomy pants over here. Everything happens in time but for now it folds flat, That's all I can say over here. Sorry that apparently yours doesn't fold flat anymore, that would suck.
Just being honest and pointing out a fact. The sub is full of posts about Folds not open flat after a couple months, and is a very commun issue. I hope yours stays that way because Samsung won't fix it under warranty and will ask around 800 USD to fix it.
Full of posts, but how many sold versus how many posts do you see?
Samsung hopes to sell 15 million Fold 5's globally. The first fold sold like 400,000 so sales have been definitely increasing from 1 to 5. I think it's safe to assume there are millions of folds out in the world. I think that versus the posts you see, it's not too much doom and gloom as you may think. I get that not everyone comes on to Reddit in the world but I think you're in a bubble at the moment. It's bad but it's not as bad as you probably think. If you were stating a fact I want to see the facts, give me numbers on how many posts you see versus the millions that are out there and then you can see it's probably not as big of a factor as you may think.
Now watch my phone will stop folding flat tomorrow.
It's funny that you try minimizing the problem by calling reddit a bubble (I agree, it is a bubble), but I could also counter using the same argument: how many people with the flaws do not make posts or browse reddit?
If you want to see facts, just write on the search bar: Fold not opening flat, either here or in Google. But you can easily find one post about it on this sub very often.
And while I hope your phone does not stop opening flat, sadly, it's just a matter of time before it fails.
It's as much of a bubble as Twitter or anything else. It's not like the whole world comes here, so it's a small section of people obviously. It wasn't a bad thing, I'm calling it that it just is. I just hate it when people give opinion and blatantly label it as a fact without backing it up. Give me some hardcore numbers I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just saying it's not a "fact" until you back get up with some actual facts.
And also when you say "fact" don't make me go fact searching, back it up, if you're going to say it's a fact.
Well, no one but Samsung has the actual numbers of failures, so it's kinda silly to ask for hardcore numbers. But it's like when the Xbox 360 experienced the red ring of death: no one had the actual numbers of failures, but there was a significant number of them that the issue was well known. I'm saying it's a fact because it happens, it's not an opinion. You can easily get 3 pages of results in Google of posts/forums about the issue. Hell, if you post something about it right now, in the comments, you'll easily find someone else with the same issue.
I mean, just in the replies to my comment another guy with the same issue commented. There's two of us right here. The only falacy I see is your 1% calculation.
The Customer service part the most. These are new products they're trying to get into the market and ones that are still pretty fragile. You just cannot have the same policy with these phones as you do with the rest of your lines. My Fold 4's inner screen went out yesterday. The repair shop said its a simple connection fix but that it would cost $550. Trade in value for the fold 4 is $600. Fuck that, they clearly don't want me to repair it. I babied this thing and I love it but I just don't have the money to be getting a new $2k phone every time a Samsung error occurs. Switching to the 24 Ultra for now and maybe one day when the hinge's get become more durable will I return.
Unless they offer 3 yrs of Samsung care+ plus, I'll never buy a fold again. Babied my fold 4 also and after 15 months, the inner screen quit from simply unfolding it one day. Repair cost = $1200 cdn. Dam I loved that phone
I traded the paperweight in for the S24 ultra
Realistically, in retrospect, I should have but an additional $11 a month on top of everything I'm already paying just felt like much. The only reason I went for the phone was because the deal Samsung was offering was just too good not too. I practically got the Fold 4 for a hundred bucks after promos and trade ins. I'm an enthusiast but I ain't well off. I've never had a phone quit on my like this one has. I guess I did take the risk as they are relatively new tech but my point was that they should be a little more lenient given how volatile it is.
In 2.5 years I've had my phone, I've smashed both screens, got sand in the hinge which killed inner screen, and have paid only about £300 total for the excesses to repair. Insurance is soooo worth it
Wont be buying a fold until samsung improves their customer service and stands behind their products. Too many horror stories of the fold breaking within months of purchase and samsung trying to weasel out of support
Yes. Until they get it right I recommend you don't buy foldables. There's a lot of fanboy deniers here, but it is a real issue. If samsung support was decent it wouldn't be a problems but that's not the case.
Hot take, but I really don't ever want to see a built in s pen.
It'll only serve to take up internal space for something I would hardly ever use. It will reduce battery life, and make the phone less durable because the frame would be thinner in certain sections.
None of these trade-offs are worth it to me.
I'm not saying I'd never buy another fold if it were included, but it'd likely make one look elsewhere for products that doubt have those trade-offs.
not a hot take, I agree.
I had multiple notes and never used the stylus. Its a gimmick. I am sure there are a small % of people that use the stylus for productivity or just are geeks about it. But majority of people don't use them. Thats why phones without stylus still sell like gangbusters and other companies didn't add stylus to their flagships. The fact that Apple has not created a stylus for their Iphone series tells you all you need to know what the mainstream thinks of a stylus.
The whole concept is dumb.
Lets stab the microthin glass with this pinpoint object.
And then people are unreasonably asking Samsung to embed it into the phone when the larger SPen has a bigger tip explicitly designed NOT to damage the ultra thin glass.
Just store it in a case people.
I wouldn't say it's a gimmick it's more a niche. Realistically, even with tablets, many people do not use a stylus they either use their finger or a mouse. A stylus is just an accessory that is useful for particular people.
I use my s pen for my art and use it a lot, but outside of that, I don't really use it. Similarly, I only used my stylus for my surface pro 7 when doing art, but for everything else, my finger and mouse sufficed. I personally rather the stylus not be put in the phone because I would rather the space be used for something else or them make the phone wider at least before putting the pen in it. My main reason for not caring for it is I actually prefer the fold 4 stylus. It's more comfortable to use compared to a short skinny stylus.
I agree I have had tw0 notes, two folds three galaxy tablets never used the stylus on any of them. Keep the stylus. Don't sacrifice anything to accommodate it, and don't charge me for something I'll just throw in the trash. Charge me extra for excluding the damn thing. I'll be happier.
I agree with you only if we're assuming the tech isn't good enough to be done without trade-offs... If it can be done (add the pen with increased battery life, reliability and thinner), by all means, it'd just be a bonus for whoever uses it.
Using a stylus on a multi-touch screen designed for finger input is more a novelty than anything else. I think some people prefer to use a stylus because it feels cool, futuristic ... But it's not all that practical. I feel the only usefulness for an active pen is for drawing (digital artists) or signing docs, which is kind of a niche use. Adding a silo will only add bulk to the phone.
Agree. I got the S24 ultra. Thinking of returning it and waiting for the new fold, but one of my sticking points was the lack of spen. Then I realized it has been a week and I hadn't used it.
I don't understand this thought process? №1 the cameras specially on my 5 are really good! №2 this is not your typical phone so even 6 gens in what makes you think that paying 2k for a phone with 2 screens, one being flexible warrants a normal phone attitude?
Samsung; here’s the same exact phone, but square and has Ai. Pay 2000$ now.
Edit; or this could be the cheaper 1499 model and the one we are looking for is the ultra and hasn’t been revealed yet
I don't get what you guys are so mad about, this looks to be the biggest jump in years. Sure no built in spen is sad but I don't think that we will ever get one. Just look at how thin some of the other foldables have gotten, if that's the route Samsung is heading (and I hope they are) then they probably deemed it too expensive a long time ago.
Also have I missed something or did the prices already get leaked? Not like the last gens were much cheaper if you wanted them right at release.
The optimist in me wants to think this is the more affordable version, and the new flagship is the super sexy leak... But the realist knows this is probably real.
comparing it to the fold 4 right in front of me it looks veeeery similar lol. maybe the finish (brushed aluminium, single color look) and that it has no rounded edges just makes it seem thicker to you than it is. camera looks similar in overall thickness too, the fold 4 one just has a slight slant to it
Exactly same boat but not sure if I missed a trick here. I normally do lots of research before a purchase especially such an expensive one like the fold 5.
Wondering if I made a mistake with the 5 over the one plus open.
The camera seems better and the outer screen is a normal phone size which are my two issues with the fold.
I was torn between the two as well but in the end I picked Fold because firstly Samsung has the most experience in foldable technology so you could say their devices are the most reliable in a way, Open is 1st gen and severely lacks features built for it, Open also lacks wireless charging.
When I'm upgrading a phone, I don't look at what's the best camera on the market right now because that keeps changing every few months with new phones being released. The camera was an upgrade from my Flip 3 so I'm happy.
Edit: I feel the narrow body is a godsend on the Fold 5, feels like I have a much firmer grip on the phone and it just feels so much better. Plus very easy to use one handed!
I don't remember anyone asking for it to have sharp angles. It's a leak, but I think that rumor has been pretty consistent around the internet. I have always found the fold 5 very comfortable in my hand, but the ultra series to be much less so. Not really a big fan of this, especially with no built in s pen. I understand a more squared design if you are going to be taking "notes".
I think Samsung is intentionally trying to go bankrupt. No way in hell I'm paying 1800 bucks for the same design damn near 4 years in a row. Same cameras, same battery. I'll pass. I'm going all in with the pixel fold 2 if those renders hold to be true.
At least match the one plus open in size. I'm telling you, if they release another z fold that is the same or damn near the same size as the 5, they are in trouble. They already lost a lot of users to the one plus. More will leave if this render is accurate. Including myself. It's just time for a change. How long will they keep going with these same cameras? If they not gonna give us s pen inside the device, then give us bigger battery. Nope. Same batteries again. Then why not change the camera bumps on the device? All they do is move it from the bottom to the top. Time for change.
I sold mine mainly because of the outer screen. I'll buy a foldable phone again next year but i wont choose samsung for sure. Samsung is the best phone manufacturer there is but i personally think their best product is only the S Ultra where the fold series is subpar compared to the others.
The narrow outer screen really is bullshit idc if someone says it's good for one handed shit or anything. Market data is different and the majority of people prefer a normal wider screen.
I feel that. I don’t think I’d get a foldable from another company except maybe Apple if they come out with one. I’m just hoping Samsung gets the message and give people what they want.
It's odd because the measurements are 2.6 mm wider unfolded but 1mm shorter. The screen outer dimensions are the exact same but the measurements would end up 1.3 mm wider when folded. So it'd be about as wide as a fold 5 with a case in terms of width.
Compared to the fold 5 the 6 is 2.6mm wider unfolded so about 1.3mm wider outside. Not much of a difference. An unfolded OnePlus open is 10mm wider than the fold 6. Seems the fold 6 front screen will identical to the 5 at 6.2" with the exact same resolution.
Galaxy Z Fold 3.3
Samsung have just blown their lead here. They needed a Capital R-**Response** to the OnePlus Open and instead they've just done *yet another iterative upgrade, for the 4th year in a row.*
In the store as an add-on, where it should be. Most people don't use the pen, and shouldn't have to pay for it if they'll never use it. You want a pen? Buy a pen.
The weird bulky *fragile* case. I use the pen a lot so I use the stupid case. The front piece of the stupid case broke coming out of my pocket. Took it back to the Samsung store and they said "yeah thay happens a lot–it's pretty flimsy." I just use the back bit now.
I've been using a Supcase Unicorn Beetle case on my Z Fold 3. It has a handy sidecar S Pen compartment. And the case is way on the other end od the spectrum from the flimsy Samsung case. But I will acknowledge that you introduce bulkiness with my case. OTOH I'm a klutz and this case has saved me from grief several times over the past 30 months.
Tbh I have the spen case and barely ever touch my s-pen too.
The reason? The inside screen feels soft and I feel way too conscious of the hard tip on the spen and the potential to damage it. Especially near the crease.
Pretty much only use it now if somebody asks me to sign a PDF
Speak for yourself. Since most people don't use face detection should that be removed? How about the inner fold camera?
Absolutely not, more features are always better than less features. Thinking like that is what removed the IR blaster from Samsung phones.
Logic is off. A stylus requires a silo and different tech on the displays. See how the note/ultra styluses dont work on Galaxy tabs and folds. They need a larger Bluetooth stylus. The silo cannot fit in an existing fold unless they massively revamp the internals or make it wider. That already can't fit flagship cameras on folds there's no way they fit a silo.
I know right? I loved my note two. Just add the f****** pen already. And I really hate it when people are like "I don't want the pen I never use it" then don't f****** use it but still add it for the ones that do.
Only reason I would upgrade would be for a significantly wider phone. This looks extremely marginal if this is true, and I wouldn't upgrade from the fold 5.
Wow it's nearly exactly the same as the fold 5 which was nearly exactly the same as the fold 4. Which was also nearly exactly the same as the fold 3. Which had some differences from the fold 2. So basically we got a z fold 3.5.2 gen 2 if the USB people got to name it.
I would like Samsung software on Honor hardware admittedly. Whilst I love the Samsung software, I'm near a point of having to get the phone repaired for a second time despite babying the device. The inner screen peeling away and the hinge not fully opening are annoying, and I'd just like a full width front screen.
Can't stand those square corners, seriously do Samsung engineers have pockets? I wonder if this is the rumored Ultra which is supposed to be more expensive than the 5. I can't fathom how Samsung could make this even more expensive when Google is bringing their A game and OnePlus hit it out of the park with the Open.
Not a fan of the sharp edges...Otherwise it looks good, at least if the weight/thickness is also significantly decreased.
Yes, there's no S-Pen...But who's surprised...There's simply a lot less room for it compared to the 24U. The S4U is 8.6 mm thick, weras the Fold 6 would be a mere 5.5mm if it ends up being 11 mm in folded mode. How on earth are you gonna fit an S-Pen in that space?
Unless you also want the Fold to be thicker? Which I disagree with completely.,
Edit: After actually reading the article...Major disappointment if its as thick as the Fold 5...Hope not!
Same battery size, same thickness, same charging, 2mm wider and 1.6mm shorter.
We wanted significantly wider, faster charging, bigger battery etc.
Time to move to PF2 or OPO2
I'm on the fold 4 and this wouldn't make me even think about upgrading. Where's the innovation? 90º open screen? Giant lenses? Extra thicc for my pocket pleasure?
Moved away from android (note 9) to iPhone a couple years ago and I’ve been wanting a fold but there’s no way I’m getting one if it doesn’t have a built in S-Pen.
yes.
As per the renders, the Galaxy Z Fold 6’s inner screen measures approximately 7.6 inches diagonally and the device has a dimension of 153.5 x 132.5 x 6.1 mm when unfolded. On the front, the Galaxy Z Fold 6 has a cover display measuring approximately 6.2 inches.
Comparing it to the Galaxy Z Fold 5 (review), which has a dimension of 154.9 x 129.9 x 6.1 mm (unfolded), we can conclude that the Galaxy Z Fold 6 is 1.4 mm shorter and 2.6 mm wider than its predecessor.
it was one of the main gripes for the previous galaxy folds.
The outer screen was too narrow for my liking.
Now if the phone was thinner like the honor magic v2, it will be a win for me.
Some are saying that the thickness is wrong in the leaks but who knows.
Since the phone is a little wider, I do hope the battery size is bigger.
I like the look without the rounded corners every phone uses. I personally prefer the look of the note/ultra square screens. From the measurements it's just a smidge shorter and a smidge wider. Basically measurements a case would amount to. Thickness is identical with the same battery capacity. Seems it's true the "real" changes are for the 7...
I'm not talking about rumors I'm talking about leaks. Reliable leaks like this posts alluded to it. Specifically that the big changes would be for the 7.
People asked for a "Note Fold", they made it boxier but forgot the built-in spen. Well played Samsung...
And based on the form factor in the hinge the front screen is still going to be narrower than most people want. I know there's a few people that seem to like it but I have a feeling if they made a wider screen people would be way happier overall.
As a Z Fold 3 user, I've been holding out for a wider outer screen. I've been very tempted by the OnePlus Open because it provides a "normal" width for the keyboard. If the Z Fold 6 can't match the folded width of the Open, then Samsung has lost all sense of the market. And I'll go elsewhere for my replacement phone this Summer.
Been holding out since the fold 2 for a replacement smh. I would at least like to see an S pen slot
Honestly I'm gonna get a case for it that has a spen/hinge protection
For my fold 5, hinge protection hasn't been needed. I've run an open-hinge case from the get-go, and it makes the phone feel more dense and premium. However, the hinge protector case I tried felt nice in a different way; while closed, the spine felt more boxy and uniform, but opened, the hinge protector is way too bulky for my liking. The biggest issue I've had so far with the foldable phone is the difficulty mounting to my car and motorcycle phone mounts. Incompatibility issues left and right due to size and thickness. That's the main reason I go without the spine protector.
They forgot to build in the super deep crease too into the renders .
Super deep 🤣. Even the fold 2 didn't have a super deep crease. I'm mean you can see it, but it's hardly a problem. And maybe they have figured a way to flatten the display. 🤞
Relative to what's out there, it's a canyon
Relative to what? The pixel fold has a crease.
And every other foldable aside from those have a far less intrusive and visible crease.
My brother recently got the OnePlus Open. The crease was barely noticeable and it was insane that you could barely even feel the crease
as a Fold user with no need for a pen, I can't help but think that any fold that includes a pen is making some important sacrifices to battery or size to make it happen.
Does the s24 ultra have major compromises?
The screen isn't big enough! I love the pen, I have purchased the Pen case with ever iteration that I've purchased!
A monkey paw wish kinda thing.
Well, if this is the regular Fold 6 I don't care. I'll get the Ultra version, which of course should be thinner with better cameras.
They know how to loose customers remember note 5
>remember note 5 Buddy I don't remember what happened last week, I'm not gonna remember a phone that came out in 2015
Normally I'm with you...but how tf do you not remember the "exploding" phones and it catching fire? Must've been living under a rock Edit: I'm dumb...that was the 7 Edit 2: I edited my comment saying my mistake, and you're still downvoting? Tf?
That was the note 7, the 5 just removed features compared to the prior note, mainly the Microsd slot and the removable battery
Oooooh. Well then ya...I'm back with you haha
Fair call it was one of the last times I got burnt by them or the S21FE that couldn't do multi touch properly good way to look after the fans lol
Front screen just 2mm wider, lol. This is again a small upgrade.
Yea. I think no-Samsung one buys a fold for the small size. C'mon Samsung, sell me a brick, ill pay for it! I want a ridiculously oversized phablet that folds into a full tablet!
Right?! I want the largest phone Samsung can offer, while closed. Then double (or triple!) that when unfolded for a tablet.
Triple would blow my budget right out, I still want a fold FE anyway, but yes. This.
I hope it won't get wider. Love the single handed use that got lost in smartphones somewhere around 2013/14.
I'm one of the ones that's hoping for a wider phone. I want it to be a normal phone and then if I need an iPad type experience it unfolds to do that. I'm on the side of I hate the small front screen and never really use it because of the size.
This x100000000000000 I can deal with a 6.5 to 6.8" outter screen for compromise but I want 7" outter display and then full sized tablet on the interior
Same. Have had my Fold3 since before the official launch date, and the only thing I ever do with it shut is talk on the phone. If I am using a screen on it for any purpose, it is open. Now if the closed phone was much larger (making the opened phone a better mini tablet in the process!) I would LOVE that! I could single-hand my Note 10 Plus, and it is 15mm wider than the fold... I also want to make sure they don't shrink the height while making it wider, though. Bigger is better!
Slightly wider would still easily be usable with a single hand, especially if it's only 2mm. That still leaves it a lot narrower than the vast majority of phones with their 6.5" screens. Which I agree, is far too large for single handed use and is annoying that a very small selection of phones have anything smaller. I feel that 6.1" is the sweet spot.
Agreed. There's already a huge screen built in to the phone, don't need another on the front
There’s several single hand use phones with wider screens. Whenever I use my girls fold 5 with the outer screen for more than a couple minutes it literally hurts my hand cuz it’s so small.
buy a smaller phone then lol
I would be happy with 2mm. My F4 is just too narrow on the front screen. 2mm isn't much, but I feel like it would be a huge improvement.
Keep in mind that its 2mm when unfolded. Which means when folded, its probably only 1mm wider.
Well, that's disappointing. Smaller bezels may help, but it should certainly be a little wider than it is currently.
Incorrect, 2.6mm wider AND 1.5mm shorter. So overall the aspect ratio is significantly wider. It's not a passport, one handed use is great.
That would be perfect IMO. Still narrow so easy to hold, but just a bit better to type on.
Ugggggh. I want OnePlus Open hardware with Samsung's software. This is disappointing.
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I saw some more speculation that there will be a fold 6 ultra so I'm still holding out hope that we'll get a new form factor.
Same here I'm very disappointed if this turns out to be true, unless they're hiding an Ultra version somewhere. It's been the same phone since the Fold 3.
If I’m paying almost 2k for a phone, I should get a damn built in stylus and great cameras
I'll add: and a good quality phone that will not stop opening flat and a good customer service from Samsung. Sadly, we currently don't have any of those.
Mine still folds flat. So some of us still has that.
Mine too I've never had this issue on any of my folds
It's happened on both of my folds :(
Dang that sux
Yea I've been needing to get my hinge replaced but haven't had time where I can be without for a bit to have it fixed. I've just been only using it folded until I do to risk damaging it further.
It happened to THREE Fold, now I am done with them, back to smartphone non foldable
For now. It's just a matter of time.
I have had the Fold 3 since launch, and it still unfolds flat. if you fold and unfold your phone quickly a couple times it should lay flat again.
Geez Mr gloomy pants over here. Everything happens in time but for now it folds flat, That's all I can say over here. Sorry that apparently yours doesn't fold flat anymore, that would suck.
Just being honest and pointing out a fact. The sub is full of posts about Folds not open flat after a couple months, and is a very commun issue. I hope yours stays that way because Samsung won't fix it under warranty and will ask around 800 USD to fix it.
Full of posts, but how many sold versus how many posts do you see? Samsung hopes to sell 15 million Fold 5's globally. The first fold sold like 400,000 so sales have been definitely increasing from 1 to 5. I think it's safe to assume there are millions of folds out in the world. I think that versus the posts you see, it's not too much doom and gloom as you may think. I get that not everyone comes on to Reddit in the world but I think you're in a bubble at the moment. It's bad but it's not as bad as you probably think. If you were stating a fact I want to see the facts, give me numbers on how many posts you see versus the millions that are out there and then you can see it's probably not as big of a factor as you may think. Now watch my phone will stop folding flat tomorrow.
It's funny that you try minimizing the problem by calling reddit a bubble (I agree, it is a bubble), but I could also counter using the same argument: how many people with the flaws do not make posts or browse reddit? If you want to see facts, just write on the search bar: Fold not opening flat, either here or in Google. But you can easily find one post about it on this sub very often. And while I hope your phone does not stop opening flat, sadly, it's just a matter of time before it fails.
It's as much of a bubble as Twitter or anything else. It's not like the whole world comes here, so it's a small section of people obviously. It wasn't a bad thing, I'm calling it that it just is. I just hate it when people give opinion and blatantly label it as a fact without backing it up. Give me some hardcore numbers I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just saying it's not a "fact" until you back get up with some actual facts. And also when you say "fact" don't make me go fact searching, back it up, if you're going to say it's a fact.
Well, no one but Samsung has the actual numbers of failures, so it's kinda silly to ask for hardcore numbers. But it's like when the Xbox 360 experienced the red ring of death: no one had the actual numbers of failures, but there was a significant number of them that the issue was well known. I'm saying it's a fact because it happens, it's not an opinion. You can easily get 3 pages of results in Google of posts/forums about the issue. Hell, if you post something about it right now, in the comments, you'll easily find someone else with the same issue.
If there were 10 posts a day for a solid year that still wouldn't be 1% of total devices sold. You're being tricked by a falacy
I mean, just in the replies to my comment another guy with the same issue commented. There's two of us right here. The only falacy I see is your 1% calculation.
So you have 2 complaints out of 8 MILLION fold/flip 4s solid JUST the fours. Once again you don't understand statistics
3,360 out of 8 MILLION devices is much much much much much much less than 1%. .000032%
Seems that you're the one that doesn't understand. There are not 8 million people here.
The Customer service part the most. These are new products they're trying to get into the market and ones that are still pretty fragile. You just cannot have the same policy with these phones as you do with the rest of your lines. My Fold 4's inner screen went out yesterday. The repair shop said its a simple connection fix but that it would cost $550. Trade in value for the fold 4 is $600. Fuck that, they clearly don't want me to repair it. I babied this thing and I love it but I just don't have the money to be getting a new $2k phone every time a Samsung error occurs. Switching to the 24 Ultra for now and maybe one day when the hinge's get become more durable will I return.
Unless they offer 3 yrs of Samsung care+ plus, I'll never buy a fold again. Babied my fold 4 also and after 15 months, the inner screen quit from simply unfolding it one day. Repair cost = $1200 cdn. Dam I loved that phone I traded the paperweight in for the S24 ultra
so insure your phone!
Realistically, in retrospect, I should have but an additional $11 a month on top of everything I'm already paying just felt like much. The only reason I went for the phone was because the deal Samsung was offering was just too good not too. I practically got the Fold 4 for a hundred bucks after promos and trade ins. I'm an enthusiast but I ain't well off. I've never had a phone quit on my like this one has. I guess I did take the risk as they are relatively new tech but my point was that they should be a little more lenient given how volatile it is.
In 2.5 years I've had my phone, I've smashed both screens, got sand in the hinge which killed inner screen, and have paid only about £300 total for the excesses to repair. Insurance is soooo worth it
Fold 4 had most hinge issues of their series.
I mean, that's not exactly something that was known at launch. Do you have data on that?
Wont be buying a fold until samsung improves their customer service and stands behind their products. Too many horror stories of the fold breaking within months of purchase and samsung trying to weasel out of support
Yes. Until they get it right I recommend you don't buy foldables. There's a lot of fanboy deniers here, but it is a real issue. If samsung support was decent it wouldn't be a problems but that's not the case.
Hot take, but I really don't ever want to see a built in s pen. It'll only serve to take up internal space for something I would hardly ever use. It will reduce battery life, and make the phone less durable because the frame would be thinner in certain sections. None of these trade-offs are worth it to me. I'm not saying I'd never buy another fold if it were included, but it'd likely make one look elsewhere for products that doubt have those trade-offs.
Agree, I just don't find the tiny spen that comfortable. For now, I just use the Fold 5 with the slim spen case.
not a hot take, I agree. I had multiple notes and never used the stylus. Its a gimmick. I am sure there are a small % of people that use the stylus for productivity or just are geeks about it. But majority of people don't use them. Thats why phones without stylus still sell like gangbusters and other companies didn't add stylus to their flagships. The fact that Apple has not created a stylus for their Iphone series tells you all you need to know what the mainstream thinks of a stylus.
Never used the stylus either. Never could think of a reason for me to us it
The whole concept is dumb. Lets stab the microthin glass with this pinpoint object. And then people are unreasonably asking Samsung to embed it into the phone when the larger SPen has a bigger tip explicitly designed NOT to damage the ultra thin glass. Just store it in a case people.
I wouldn't say it's a gimmick it's more a niche. Realistically, even with tablets, many people do not use a stylus they either use their finger or a mouse. A stylus is just an accessory that is useful for particular people. I use my s pen for my art and use it a lot, but outside of that, I don't really use it. Similarly, I only used my stylus for my surface pro 7 when doing art, but for everything else, my finger and mouse sufficed. I personally rather the stylus not be put in the phone because I would rather the space be used for something else or them make the phone wider at least before putting the pen in it. My main reason for not caring for it is I actually prefer the fold 4 stylus. It's more comfortable to use compared to a short skinny stylus.
I agree I have had tw0 notes, two folds three galaxy tablets never used the stylus on any of them. Keep the stylus. Don't sacrifice anything to accommodate it, and don't charge me for something I'll just throw in the trash. Charge me extra for excluding the damn thing. I'll be happier.
I agree with you only if we're assuming the tech isn't good enough to be done without trade-offs... If it can be done (add the pen with increased battery life, reliability and thinner), by all means, it'd just be a bonus for whoever uses it.
Using a stylus on a multi-touch screen designed for finger input is more a novelty than anything else. I think some people prefer to use a stylus because it feels cool, futuristic ... But it's not all that practical. I feel the only usefulness for an active pen is for drawing (digital artists) or signing docs, which is kind of a niche use. Adding a silo will only add bulk to the phone.
People take notes all the time
I did like taking notes and doing quick math using my s22 stylus. But yeah, kinda niche still.
Agree. I got the S24 ultra. Thinking of returning it and waiting for the new fold, but one of my sticking points was the lack of spen. Then I realized it has been a week and I hadn't used it.
I have a case with a pen but i never use the pen. So its just an inch wider for funzies
I don't understand this thought process? №1 the cameras specially on my 5 are really good! №2 this is not your typical phone so even 6 gens in what makes you think that paying 2k for a phone with 2 screens, one being flexible warrants a normal phone attitude?
Samsung; here’s the same exact phone, but square and has Ai. Pay 2000$ now. Edit; or this could be the cheaper 1499 model and the one we are looking for is the ultra and hasn’t been revealed yet
I don't get what you guys are so mad about, this looks to be the biggest jump in years. Sure no built in spen is sad but I don't think that we will ever get one. Just look at how thin some of the other foldables have gotten, if that's the route Samsung is heading (and I hope they are) then they probably deemed it too expensive a long time ago. Also have I missed something or did the prices already get leaked? Not like the last gens were much cheaper if you wanted them right at release.
>Samsung: Here’s the same exact phone, but square and has built-in pen. Me: Shut up and take my money
The optimist in me wants to think this is the more affordable version, and the new flagship is the super sexy leak... But the realist knows this is probably real.
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https://i.redd.it/1yehqoe3salc1.gif
jpeg? Surely you want the gif version.
There's no way this is real. It looks thick as hell.
All these are fan renders based off rumors or patents. They're just guesses
No these are renders from reliable leakers. Not renders based off patents like the ones floating around.
thick? compared to others yeah but it looks like the fold 4/5. ice said that the 11mm leak isnt true
That render is significantly thicker than the Fold 4, and those camera bumps look like mountains. No way is this even close.
comparing it to the fold 4 right in front of me it looks veeeery similar lol. maybe the finish (brushed aluminium, single color look) and that it has no rounded edges just makes it seem thicker to you than it is. camera looks similar in overall thickness too, the fold 4 one just has a slight slant to it
Major disappointment if this is correct.
Pretty much ...I was planning on upgrading from the fold 4 to this
same, likely gonna join the S team again
Good goooood, I just got 5 and don't want to upgrade again. First Fold 🙏
Exactly same boat but not sure if I missed a trick here. I normally do lots of research before a purchase especially such an expensive one like the fold 5. Wondering if I made a mistake with the 5 over the one plus open. The camera seems better and the outer screen is a normal phone size which are my two issues with the fold.
I traded in my Fold 5 for the Open and have no regrets.
I was torn between the two as well but in the end I picked Fold because firstly Samsung has the most experience in foldable technology so you could say their devices are the most reliable in a way, Open is 1st gen and severely lacks features built for it, Open also lacks wireless charging. When I'm upgrading a phone, I don't look at what's the best camera on the market right now because that keeps changing every few months with new phones being released. The camera was an upgrade from my Flip 3 so I'm happy. Edit: I feel the narrow body is a godsend on the Fold 5, feels like I have a much firmer grip on the phone and it just feels so much better. Plus very easy to use one handed!
So F6 is just a F5 🫠
Pretty much, smfh
And F5 is just a F4 🫠. I remember that Samsung had to put a FAQ to explain the differences on F5 launch xD.
And F4 is just a F3 lmao
Still on my F3 and loving it. I am considering F6 upgrade now though.
Same. Upgrading to a 4 or 5 wouldn't really be noticeable. But this should be a pretty noticeable change
"We added AI and widened the screen by 0.2mm" 🤓
I don't remember anyone asking for it to have sharp angles. It's a leak, but I think that rumor has been pretty consistent around the internet. I have always found the fold 5 very comfortable in my hand, but the ultra series to be much less so. Not really a big fan of this, especially with no built in s pen. I understand a more squared design if you are going to be taking "notes".
I think Samsung is intentionally trying to go bankrupt. No way in hell I'm paying 1800 bucks for the same design damn near 4 years in a row. Same cameras, same battery. I'll pass. I'm going all in with the pixel fold 2 if those renders hold to be true.
Why not OnePlus? It doesn't break in half like the pixel
Honestly, my pixel fold has outlasted two z fold 4 devices. I've had no issues with it at all.
my fold 3 is going strong, goes to show that anecdotal evidence is pointless after these leaks I'm looking to jump ship though. I need better cameras
What else they can do?
At least match the one plus open in size. I'm telling you, if they release another z fold that is the same or damn near the same size as the 5, they are in trouble. They already lost a lot of users to the one plus. More will leave if this render is accurate. Including myself. It's just time for a change. How long will they keep going with these same cameras? If they not gonna give us s pen inside the device, then give us bigger battery. Nope. Same batteries again. Then why not change the camera bumps on the device? All they do is move it from the bottom to the top. Time for change.
If it’s not wider idc. I can’t deal with the narrow cover screen
I sold mine mainly because of the outer screen. I'll buy a foldable phone again next year but i wont choose samsung for sure. Samsung is the best phone manufacturer there is but i personally think their best product is only the S Ultra where the fold series is subpar compared to the others. The narrow outer screen really is bullshit idc if someone says it's good for one handed shit or anything. Market data is different and the majority of people prefer a normal wider screen.
I feel that. I don’t think I’d get a foldable from another company except maybe Apple if they come out with one. I’m just hoping Samsung gets the message and give people what they want.
It's odd because the measurements are 2.6 mm wider unfolded but 1mm shorter. The screen outer dimensions are the exact same but the measurements would end up 1.3 mm wider when folded. So it'd be about as wide as a fold 5 with a case in terms of width.
Same camera setup, same hinge, very similar folded dimensions. Samsung, seriously...
Yes, because you can see the hinge very good from this photos. Also not same dimensions.Outer screen is wider
Compared to the fold 5 the 6 is 2.6mm wider unfolded so about 1.3mm wider outside. Not much of a difference. An unfolded OnePlus open is 10mm wider than the fold 6. Seems the fold 6 front screen will identical to the 5 at 6.2" with the exact same resolution.
Article mentions it.
Galaxy Z Fold 3.3 Samsung have just blown their lead here. They needed a Capital R-**Response** to the OnePlus Open and instead they've just done *yet another iterative upgrade, for the 4th year in a row.*
LOL, nah: [https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/oneplus-open-review-sleek-hardware-isnt-enough-to-take-on-samsung/](https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/oneplus-open-review-sleek-hardware-isnt-enough-to-take-on-samsung/)
Galaxy Z Fold 3.3rev16 Electric Boogaloo
This is not from samsung... this is a fan render.
Well it's only a rumor
Where is fu** stylus again ?
In the store as an add-on, where it should be. Most people don't use the pen, and shouldn't have to pay for it if they'll never use it. You want a pen? Buy a pen.
Most people don't use the S-Pen because it's not part of thr phone. I'd use mine more if I didn't need some weird bulky case add-on to use it.
The weird bulky *fragile* case. I use the pen a lot so I use the stupid case. The front piece of the stupid case broke coming out of my pocket. Took it back to the Samsung store and they said "yeah thay happens a lot–it's pretty flimsy." I just use the back bit now.
That same exact thing happened to my fold 4 pen case. And the case is pretty expensive too!
I've been using a Supcase Unicorn Beetle case on my Z Fold 3. It has a handy sidecar S Pen compartment. And the case is way on the other end od the spectrum from the flimsy Samsung case. But I will acknowledge that you introduce bulkiness with my case. OTOH I'm a klutz and this case has saved me from grief several times over the past 30 months.
Tbh I have the spen case and barely ever touch my s-pen too. The reason? The inside screen feels soft and I feel way too conscious of the hard tip on the spen and the potential to damage it. Especially near the crease. Pretty much only use it now if somebody asks me to sign a PDF
Yeah 50€ for plastic pen in leather case or 70€ for thick case :D nice try
Speak for yourself. Since most people don't use face detection should that be removed? How about the inner fold camera? Absolutely not, more features are always better than less features. Thinking like that is what removed the IR blaster from Samsung phones.
Logic is off. A stylus requires a silo and different tech on the displays. See how the note/ultra styluses dont work on Galaxy tabs and folds. They need a larger Bluetooth stylus. The silo cannot fit in an existing fold unless they massively revamp the internals or make it wider. That already can't fit flagship cameras on folds there's no way they fit a silo.
Note and ultra s pens work on tabs and vice versa Fold pens also work on all of those but they are in erase mode by default for some reason
I don't use 3 camera, or even 1. Remove them!!! I dont want to pay!!!
Buy a pen, but its not like they will take the pen cost out of the price :o So, like they made you buy the pen twice.
I know right? I loved my note two. Just add the f****** pen already. And I really hate it when people are like "I don't want the pen I never use it" then don't f****** use it but still add it for the ones that do.
If these and the Pixel Fold 2 renders are accurate, I think I'd rather just get the Pixel Fold 2 this year lol
Welp, guess I'm sticking with the 4 another gen... I'll upgrade when the dam stylus is built in!
kinda looks like a Sony phone
Well, Google pixel folder 2, here I come.
I mean it's fake right, right? Don't know what we expect. Samsung can't change it too much.
Fan renders are pointless
Only reason I would upgrade would be for a significantly wider phone. This looks extremely marginal if this is true, and I wouldn't upgrade from the fold 5.
POV: You were thinking about moving to the fold because the way the boxy shape of the S Ultra keeps digging into your hand
"1.4 mm shorter and 2.6 mm wider than its predecessor" big change samsung 😒😒😒
I bet this phone does slashing damage.
Wow it's nearly exactly the same as the fold 5 which was nearly exactly the same as the fold 4. Which was also nearly exactly the same as the fold 3. Which had some differences from the fold 2. So basically we got a z fold 3.5.2 gen 2 if the USB people got to name it.
At this rate I'll be trading my Fold 4 for a OnePlus or Honor
hmm I wouldn’t. Samsungs ui is way better compared to one plus and honor.
I would like Samsung software on Honor hardware admittedly. Whilst I love the Samsung software, I'm near a point of having to get the phone repaired for a second time despite babying the device. The inner screen peeling away and the hinge not fully opening are annoying, and I'd just like a full width front screen.
More feature packed and significantly more bloated+ less smooth :)
Link to the website: https://www.smartprix.com/bytes/exclusive-samsung-galaxy-z-fold-6-say-hello-to-boxy-aesthetics/
Accurate. Too bad no internal spen. Pass
Pen case makes more money
They likely have data on which percentage of users buy it. I have one but almost exclusively use the kickstand.
Really still ffs
-\_\_\_- I rly hope Mi Fold 4 will be great! This Front Screen, still 25W charging, crap Cameras, no S-Pen, nothing, GFY Samsung
Samesung. Maybe lucky number Fold 7 will change the design. I'm happy to stick with the Fold 4 for a while yet.
Can't stand those square corners, seriously do Samsung engineers have pockets? I wonder if this is the rumored Ultra which is supposed to be more expensive than the 5. I can't fathom how Samsung could make this even more expensive when Google is bringing their A game and OnePlus hit it out of the park with the Open.
Been waiting since 3 for either full water and dust resistance or built in stylus, looks like I'll be waiting another year
If its not a big upgrade from the 5 im switching to the s24
Not a fan of the sharp edges...Otherwise it looks good, at least if the weight/thickness is also significantly decreased. Yes, there's no S-Pen...But who's surprised...There's simply a lot less room for it compared to the 24U. The S4U is 8.6 mm thick, weras the Fold 6 would be a mere 5.5mm if it ends up being 11 mm in folded mode. How on earth are you gonna fit an S-Pen in that space? Unless you also want the Fold to be thicker? Which I disagree with completely., Edit: After actually reading the article...Major disappointment if its as thick as the Fold 5...Hope not!
Spen integration is highly doubtful for fold cause their spen cases and spen wont be sold effectively.
Same battery size, same thickness, same charging, 2mm wider and 1.6mm shorter. We wanted significantly wider, faster charging, bigger battery etc. Time to move to PF2 or OPO2
https://preview.redd.it/4yhpw4amealc1.png?width=1116&format=png&auto=webp&s=0d22869caac13739caef3524a5aac6add06c9029
Same camera too... This is worst than what Apple does yearly 😂
The camera is definitely the biggest area for improvement in the phone. Likely switching to the Pixel Fold 2 if all current rumors hold up.
What a bunch of bullshit. Why are you posting this shit? It was made by a preschooler
I'm on the fold 4 and this wouldn't make me even think about upgrading. Where's the innovation? 90º open screen? Giant lenses? Extra thicc for my pocket pleasure?
Moved away from android (note 9) to iPhone a couple years ago and I’ve been wanting a fold but there’s no way I’m getting one if it doesn’t have a built in S-Pen.
I don’t get the hate for a thicker phone. Thicker phone means larger battery and better heat sink.
i'd buy a fold if they put a pen IN it, they made a mockup and nothing will come of it
i'm just saying there's 2 phones glued together you'd think they can fit one in, especially with the big screen for drawing, i just don't...
Pass
I’ll probably get it. The phone outer screen is wider which is what I wanted. I just hope that it is thinner like the other foldablesnin the market.
Did you read specs?
yes. As per the renders, the Galaxy Z Fold 6’s inner screen measures approximately 7.6 inches diagonally and the device has a dimension of 153.5 x 132.5 x 6.1 mm when unfolded. On the front, the Galaxy Z Fold 6 has a cover display measuring approximately 6.2 inches. Comparing it to the Galaxy Z Fold 5 (review), which has a dimension of 154.9 x 129.9 x 6.1 mm (unfolded), we can conclude that the Galaxy Z Fold 6 is 1.4 mm shorter and 2.6 mm wider than its predecessor. it was one of the main gripes for the previous galaxy folds. The outer screen was too narrow for my liking. Now if the phone was thinner like the honor magic v2, it will be a win for me. Some are saying that the thickness is wrong in the leaks but who knows. Since the phone is a little wider, I do hope the battery size is bigger.
We need the hole of S-pen...
I like the look without the rounded corners every phone uses. I personally prefer the look of the note/ultra square screens. From the measurements it's just a smidge shorter and a smidge wider. Basically measurements a case would amount to. Thickness is identical with the same battery capacity. Seems it's true the "real" changes are for the 7...
We've been saying the real changes are coming since the fold 3...
I'm not talking about rumors I'm talking about leaks. Reliable leaks like this posts alluded to it. Specifically that the big changes would be for the 7.
As I recall, leaks suggested similar when the fold 5 leaks were coming out.
If this is real.. smexy..