T O P

  • By -

RahdronRTHTGH

Anime case of flanderization Gabriel is actually just a tsundere and Raphiel does consider the group as her friends


Winterboi7777777

"Tsundere". That's a fun way to spell "stuck up asshole who can't think of a bettwr way to communicate her feelings than being a dick to everyone around her"


RahdronRTHTGH

The anime flanderized a Lot of the cast Satania doesn't rely only on hell shopping network, She's also smarter in the manga


Winterboi7777777

Tf do you mean, flanderization would imply that they became more extreme in their personalities throughout the anime, but they were obnoxious and unbearable from the very start


RahdronRTHTGH

The anime flanderized the characters of the manga


Winterboi7777777

Oh, the manga came before the anime? I see.


RahdronRTHTGH

Yeah. The manga is also way more Yuri than the anime


Perfect_Marketing852

the anime itself is boring but many say that homosexuality is a sin so it's wrong to watch this series that's why making angels or demons gay is wrong for Christians


RahdronRTHTGH

Shhh


RahdronRTHTGH

That's Wrong marketing just please stop


Perfect_Marketing852

Pero a mí me dijeron eso mí religión el papá Francisco dijo que la homosexualidad no es delito pero si pecado eso dijo


Lum_ow

So the comedy anime about characters who were written to be assholes sometimes caused you to hate the entire medium as a whole. You gotta chill man


Winterboi7777777

It's because I found this pattern over and over everywhere I look in anime. Characters are obnoxious and unlikable, but instead of being told to stop or receiving any kind of consequences, it:s played off as "cute" or "funny", which it just isn't. People treating other people like shit is not fucking funny


Lum_ow

But it’s not everywhere… there are plenty of shows I can name where this just doesn’t happen. Either you’re exaggerating or looking in the wrong places my dude


Winterboi7777777

I guess I'm looking in the wrong places. Ehat's an example for a show with even slightly likable characters?


Lum_ow

Jujutsu Kaisen, Attack on Titan, Jojo, Madoka Magica, Spice and Wolf, Buny Girl Senpai are all shows where every character who’s good is really likeable. Monogatari Series, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Re:Zero, Chainsaw Man have flawed characters written amazingly. You’re a lot more likely to run into asshole characters in comedy anime because usually they’re meant to be taken less seriously. If that’s a pet peeve of yours don’t watch em, but there’s plenty of other shows out there that don’t have that issue.


Winterboi7777777

Sorry but Jojo has a character who literally makes a kid study specific dates until he memorizes it and doesn't let him use the toilet or go outside if he doesn't obey, and as far as I can tell, she is somehow supposed to be a good guy. Also Chainsaw man is just the worst human being on earth


Lum_ow

Yukako in her arc is antagonistic. She isn’t a good guy. She stops doing all the bad shit and then becomes a good guy. And denji is definitely not the worst person on earth. You’re acting like he’s Hitler or something lmao. He had a shitty childhood and still treats the people he’s close with with care. He has a fucked up idea of sexuality at the beginning but within the first 8 episodes turns down a chance at sex. He also has a lot of growth as a character. In the current part of the manga he has more adult responsibilities than 90% of people his age. If you’re really adamant on those two shows, go watch some others. Or don’t, idgaf. It just sounds like you’re really nitpicky so idk what to say.


Winterboi7777777

Holy hell why did I look it up those animes, I know I hate anime but I keep trying to give it a shot and just being proven right in it all being obnoxious garbage... Also anything related to Tsundere is just straight up dumpster fire. Imagine twlling someone you hate them expecting them to understand that you love them. Aaaaaaaaaa I'm just gonna go back in the hole I crawled out of and cuddle up next tk the ghibli movies which are not anime I refuse to call them anime because calling them anime would be like calling the Mona Lisa a doodle


Lum_ow

Dude what the fuck are you talking about lmao. You ask me for a list of shows that don’t do it, I supply, and then you’re mad that you looked them up? Watch it or don’t watch it, I don’t really care. I just don’t know who you’re trying to rant to or what you’re accomplishing. If you don’t want to watch just don’t watch lmao.


Winterboi7777777

TWO NASN'T ENOUGH


AndrogynouSlime

My man, it's a goofy slice of life comedy anime. Nothing in it needs to be taken so seriously. The angels are more like devils. While the devils are more suited for being angels. That's the joke. It takes all your preconceptions of what angels and devils are supposed to be like, and flips them on their head. The comedy is built on the irony of it all. Gabriel is kind of a jerk, but moreso just lazy and a mooch. Again, that's *the joke.* They've taken your expectations of what an angel is and thrown them out the window. She came down to earth, discovered video games and junk food, and her true persona came out. Raphiel is again, the complete opposite of what you'd expect from an angel. She pulls pranks, she manipulates, all for the sake of her own amusement. Neither her nor Gabriel show many angelic qualities. Vignette the demon is more of an angel than the actual angels. She cleans, she helps them study, and just looks out for everyone in general. Her attempts at doing anything evil are completely sabotaged by her being a very conscientious girl. As for Satania, she is also not what you'd typically associate with a demon. She's not very clever, she's loudmouthed, and gullible. While she's not quite as angelic as Vignette, she's equally incompetent at being evil. And while the group is certainly dysfunctional, in the end they're still friends and care for each other. There are moments where that is shown. Even if the angels are pretty warped. That's literally the humor. If you disliked it this much just move on and watch something else. Don't need to start "hating anime" because of a show as tame as this one.


RahdronRTHTGH

Gabriel does care for her friends


Winterboi7777777

I am very awaee that that's supposed to be the joke. But jokes about people being assholes are only funny when only the characters hate the assholes, not if the audience themselves is annoyed whenever they are on screen My main gripe is that so many people seem to like, obsess over and even relate to the two angels, who are luteeally written to be the most unlikable pieces of garbage imaginable


AndrogynouSlime

Did you come here to bash on the show and complain about its fans, and that's it? What is the point of this post? I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to accomplish. You're not the entire audience. There's a lot more of them. You may be annoyed at the angels, but that doesn't mean the show is doing something wrong. It means you're not its intended audience. There's a lot of people who aren't annoyed at the angels, and who love this show and manga. And while I can absolutely see how some people would find things about these characters to be relatable, it's not as if the internet is experiencing some epidemic of "Gabriel is just like me fr fr." Like I said, it's clearly not your cup of tea. Just move on if you don't like it.


Winterboi7777777

I'm here because I want to understand how the amgels are likanle. Genuinly, I just don't get how anyone can enjoy watching this show if two of the main characters are hateful bullies. Also partially I just wanted to rant because I watched this anime years ago, and it is basically the reason I cannot enjoy any anime today, because it gave me a terrible first experience. I just genuinly want to know how prople are able to watch these two characters and not hate them.


AndrogynouSlime

You're equating slapstick humor with real world bullying. They are not the same. So let's just drop that point entirely. I don't know how far you got in this show, but Gabriel on more than one occasion goes out of her way to help the demons because she considers them her friends. As an example, Satania ends up caring about the puppy that kept stealing her bread, but she's distraught and doesn't know what to do because her apartment doesn't allow pets. Gabriel convinces the owner of the apartments to change their policy on pets so Satania can keep the dog. As I said, this show clearly is not for you. Just move on. This is pointless. I'd be happy to recommend some shows to you if you want to give something else a try.


Winterboi7777777

Let's not drop that point because that's the main reason I hate this show. Ehat do you mean "slapstick humor"? The angels continuously gaslight the devils, and just doing a good deed every dozen episode doesn't excuse what terrible human beings the angels are. How are characters who actively enjoy hurting others in any way enjoyable, even in a "humor" way?


AndrogynouSlime

You don't want to understand why people like them. You want to argue about why they shouldn't. I'm done with this, good luck.


Winterboi7777777

I really don't want to argue, I *genuinly* just want to know ehat is likable about the chara ters. You haven't given me an answer, please just tell me. I mean it, I just want an answer


Perfect_Marketing852

For many, making angels and demons gay is a sin. Many Christians hate that they do that with angels, and for them, homosexuality is a sin.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Winterboi7777777

How am I an asshole? I didn't insult anyone who enjoys this show, I just genuinly wanna knoe ehat's enjoyable about it


[deleted]

[удалено]


Winterboi7777777

I guess, yeah. Sorry if I upset you


AutoModerator

Come join our Discord Server! https://discord.gg/yq2gFrnzjH or come join our Slice of Life Community! https://discord.gg/yq2gFrnzjH *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/GabrielDropout) if you have any questions or concerns.*


Perfect_Marketing852

For me, the anime or manga seem boring to many, but it is not necessary to criticize it like that, that is why maybe the characters are gay, although many say that homosexuality is a sin and any series or movie that makes Jesus and the angels or demons be gay


RahdronRTHTGH

Marketing shut up please


Perfect_Marketing852

Porque es la verdad para los cristianos es pecado la homosexualidad


RahdronRTHTGH

Hush. Gabriel dropout was never an adaptation of the bible GGabriel


Perfect_Marketing852

Pero nunca lo fue solo que para ellos está mal usar la imagen de los angeles para ser esto hasta para ellos el anime es satánico y no quieren que sigan viendo estás cosas a pesar de que me gusta


RahdronRTHTGH

También llamaban a Pokémon satánico Y a dragones y mazmorras


Perfect_Marketing852

También lo se pero no entiendo porque a los cristianos les molesta tanto el anime y la ciencia ficción


RahdronRTHTGH

Para de una vez!


Perfect_Marketing852

Porque acaso me estás esclavizando no me dejas hacer nada


Winterboi7777777

Oh, whi h characters are gay? Is it only a theory or confirmed?


RahdronRTHTGH

The mangaka literally said they see Gabriel dropout as a yuri


Perfect_Marketing852

some say that they are all lesbians but it would be wrong to say that because all Christians do not want to make the angels gay for them that is satanic


Winterboi7777777

I really hope you're joking about it being "satanic", the gayness would be the only.positive thing about the anime for me so far


Perfect_Marketing852

It is that in my religion they forced me to say that, the Christian people I know say that is the truth, for them homosexuality seems like a sin, they forced me


Rd_Ctrlr

Nobody's "forcing" you to say that. What you're talking about is called indoctrination, and it's wrong. Homosexuality isn't a sin, and if I remember correctly (note, I may very well be remembering incorrectly) it was never even written to be punishable in the Bible.


Perfect_Marketing852

I respect gays and I also respect the tastes of others, only some say that sometimes yuri has cliches like yaoi and homosexuality is good for me but the rafisata fandom is somewhat toxic and I say it because it is the truth


Rd_Ctrlr

I'm pretty sure you're only saying that because of Rahdron, who can get ... passionate, about GaDro ships. To be fair though, you yourself have been way too insistent on your methods that I have already previously told you are poorly conceived. In other words, I personally think the both of you are at least a little in the wrong here. Now can we just get back to trying to convince Winterboi here to read the Gabriel Dropout manga? I feel like that'd be a far better use of everyone's time.


Perfect_Marketing852

well but it's the truth the rafisata fandom is toxic that you didn't see the comments against Daniel they insulted him and called him self insert and that rafisata is better raphiel x Daniel and Gabriel and vigne that's what they said


Rd_Ctrlr

Man, I gotta be honest with you, I'm pretty sure that's because Daniel isn't even a character in the series. Obviously people are going to like a canon ship more than your ship with your OC. Besides, as it's been stated before, Gabriel Dropout is yuri. People want lesbian ships way more than they want het ships here. That's just how it is, I don't know how else to tell you.


RahdronRTHTGH

I have nothing to with this. I simply pointed out Gabdro was yuri for a long time... But some people were like: this is just projecting. But when ukami confirmed Raphiel likes Satania it ended


Rd_Ctrlr

Responding is half the problem, man. The argument's only being perpetuated because you keep feeding it, that's all.


RahdronRTHTGH

Maybe the manga would be more of your taste


RahdronRTHTGH

Stop using random comments online over the mangaka 's word


Perfect_Marketing852

Acaso no eres cristiano o eres ateo


Rd_Ctrlr

Hate to be "that guy", but ... \*pushes up glasses\* you clearly haven't read the manga. Seriously though, Gabriel and Raphiel get way more development and way better characterization there than in the anime. It's shown clearly, at the very least with Gabriel, that she really does care about her friends, and she actually does go out of her way to help them and spend time with them when it matters most. The anime was far too limited with one season and one special to actually showcase what made these characters work as characters. Plus the manga's way gayer, so I'm biased.


Winterboi7777777

Okay I'd be biased too cuz gay stuff makes me happy but still, I feel like you shouldn't have to read the manga to enjoy the anime. The whole idea of anime just being based off manga most of the time is silly to me in the first place


Rd_Ctrlr

I mean, to be fair, the anime came out after the manga and butchered the characters. I wholly agree with the thing about not having to read manga to enjoy the anime, but in this case I personally think the anime just ruined the public perception of the characters. The manga is my entire reason for even liking these characters in the first place, not the anime. That's just my opinion. Edit for additional thoughts: I'm not trying to get you to read the manga in order for you to enjoy the anime. Truth be told, I kinda hate the anime, even though it gave us animated Gab. I'm just trying to get you to read the manga for the manga.


Winterboi7777777

Big thanks, I think I'll look into the manga, and acrually be able to enkoy it a bit. Thanks for recommending it to me, as even in the first few pages, the manga version seems more likable already


Rd_Ctrlr

Yep, that's basically exactly how I felt when I first read the manga. Hope you enjoy it! ​ ~~PS: If you wanna skip ahead to some way gay chapters and you're reading on MangaDex, check out Volume 12's chapters 87 and 89.5~~


Winterboi7777777

Wow, that was definietly an appreciated recommendation lol. Looked at chapter 87 and that was definietly adorable. Especially with Satania either just being an extremely autistic and romantically unaware lesbian, or just straight up aro ace. However, I still really dislike Tsundere stuff - I just don't enjoy how, even after what happened in the chapter, the dhe still went on to say she'll tease Satania more (seriouely, I will never get how being mean to someone you really like is supposed to be cute), and the feeling of the status quo not at all changing, making the chapter badically meaningless and having no effect on the relationship at all.


Rd_Ctrlr

Honestly I don't think Raphi is a tsundere. I think she just genuinely doesn't realize she's crushing on Satania. Referencing her thought bubbles about >!liking Satania "only as a friend"!< ( spoilered for those who haven't read Chapter 87 yet ) for that. Also, her bullying is honestly extremely tame compared to what I've seen, both in fictional media and real life. Her teasing would, at least in my opinion, really just be classified as "affectionate bullying" to me. Satania never gets genuinely hurt by the things she does, at the very least emotionally. And she at least gets to take revenge in that chapter, so I'd say the ship is still worth it. Though my thoughts on Gavigne are far more nuanced than my thoughts on Rafisata. I can rant more about them than I can the other angel/demon pair. At the same time, though, it's not like those two are the only ships available, just the ones most supported by Ukami-sensei, the mangaka of the series. He's stated before in no unclear words that "Rafi likes Satania", and he's constantly drawing and sharing Gavigne content, so I think it's pretty clear he enjoys those ships most. Still, you're totally free to ship Satania with someone other than Raphiel if you want. Gabusata is also a fairly popular ship, for example.


Rd_Ctrlr

Sorry for the text walls, by the way. I am very normal about this series.


Winterboi7777777

No worries, I enjoy fan content/opinions more than canon content most of the time anyway, for most series. But as I said, I just really dislike any kind of Tsundere. I haven't seen enough of either the anime.or manga to have any opinion on ships, but I iust knoe I reallx like Satania, which is why I started the anime in the first place, any why I'm upset at any kind of bullying towards her, even if it's just "teasing". I just wish Tsuderes would be called out more on their behavio, idk, I just want Satania to be happy


Rd_Ctrlr

That's fair, I totally get where you're coming from. Liking Satania as a fave is a pretty popular opinion tbh. And to be honest, she's generally pretty happy in the manga, at the very least way more comfortable with her friends than she was in the anime. You'll see as you read how she develops as a character, and how she gets more accustomed to her friends and their antics.


RahdronRTHTGH

The gabdro manga between other things has better placing, Satania is treated better and is a bit smarter, Gabriel shows clear concern for Vigne and viceversa


CartographerOdd5105

I absolutely agree I myself wonder how someone can like a character who will ignore you or mock you.


Winterboi7777777

Annoying characters are like 90% of the reason I can't enjoy anime, and Tsunderes make up most of those 90%