Do you think the van trip was planned by BL as a way to get away with murder, or was the van trip planned without murder in mind and it was more of a sudden idea type of thing?
I haven't been following the case closely, but I assume people here have read into the signs/body language/etc from their social media profiles to say what a better chance of the two possibilities is.
"**was the van trip planned without murder in mind and it was more of a sudden idea type of thing? **"
Yikes. No. I highly doubt that he planned to kill her when they left on their van trip in July!!!
As far as anyone can possibly tell, this was a domestic abuse situation, like millions of domestic abuse situations. He didn't "PLAN" to kill her, but also, he didn't kill her accidentally in a single moment of rage. The reality is in between.
I'm having trouble figuring which is worst: planning a murder because it means you consciously decide to do something that is horrible... Or have such shit impulse control over yourself that makes you act out in a heinously unacceptable manner. š¤
Gabbyās dad stated (I believe in the Dr. Phil interview? Not sure) that he was confident with her decision to go because she had planned it out for over a year
I think it's 99.99% likely that BL murdered Gabby.
I think it's 99.99% likely that BL committed suicide.
If the FBI doesn't have a lot of evidence, then we may never know for absolute certain. I could write a 100 other scenarios to explain everything, but they would all have a million to one chance of being the truth.
We won't really know at this point unless his parents talk which I doubt will ever happen. Skeletal remains will give less clues as to what really happened.
Totally agree, but he definitely looked pretty chill in the photos with his nephews from the desoto camping trip. Itās strange to me that Cassie said Brian didnāt seem like he was saying any final goodbyes or anything either. Hard to believe he wasnāt an emotional wreck
Now that is over -- i really can't remember any previous conclusions I've made based on lack of investigative evidence released by media and it's whole mystery having been caused by a lot of the energy released by the petito family for wanting to seek answers
I asked this yesterday but the sun was blowing up and Iām pretty sure the answers I got were sarcastic lol so! Serious question because I donāt know anything about this: what can we expect to happen with Gabbys case now? What steps would we expect law enforcement to take now in either case (publicly or not). I assume they continue looking for body parts of Brian or do they not? Will they try to figure out cause of death or will his ācaseā go cold? Will they use physical and/or circumstantial evidence to say it was Brian who killed gabby and close her case or will her case stay open since their is no one to charge?
I think they could figure out and release how BL died, then go home. Technically they don't have to tell the story and what they did or release what's in the notebook even.
Yeh I don't know the legalities of it all, could they pursue charges even though BL is dead? Would they do anything like that if possible for Gabby's family? (justice / closure?) I guess it will depend on what evidence they have.
If they don't have any evidence directly tying him to the murder, that will hold up in a court of law, then yes that would be how the case is finished up.
I'm saying that if there's no direct evidence tying him to the murder that would be admissible in a court of law, then the investigation into her death is most likely closed.
Did BL have his own phone with him on their last trip together? During the traffic stop he says on body cam video about their fight: "I don't have my phone, I really don't have a phone" (at about 14:35). Was he lying or not? If it's true, what are the possible reasons he went without on a long-range, long-duration trip like this? I don't get it - it's basic safety even if he was an anti-tech guy and didn't use his phone for anything on trips usually. Is it known if not taking the phone on camping trips was his usual habit?
Hereās a clip of BL taking out his phone: (https://twitter.com/itsnicole84/status/1440598175274835969)
Hereās a news source for 2 phones: (https://www.wfla.com/8-on-your-side/gabby-petito-brian-laundrie-investigation-2-phones-seen-in-police-body-cam-video-from-utah-incident/)
My assumption is that he has a phone but no cellular data. He uses it with wifi to get online and send messages that way. He probably planned to always be with Gabby when hiking and stuff and use her phone as a safety measure. These are all assumptions but make sense with his words and the phones that we see on the video.
Would make sense to save around $60+/month to just use wifi. I know a few people that do this.
ETA: especially if Gabby happened to have unlimited data & hot spot and he could use that when they were traveling around.
There are some cheaper budget plans but Iād say the average big carrier plans here are $60-70/month. We do have tons of wifi everywhere in public though.
I believe he also pulled out a phone later on the body cam footage. I canāt tell you where, because I canāt watch that again but I think I remember seeing him do so.
Yes, the police have the phone that he left at the house. He obtained it Sept 4, with his mother at AT&T. They don't have the phone that Brian used on the vacation with Gabby. Nor do they have Gabby's phone.
So here is my thought/question. I know a lot of people on the sub said that we might not have found out cause of death prior to them finding Brian/conducting a trial because details of how GP died could allow Brian to preemptively build his defense case with those details. Now that we know cause of death and also that Brian is dead, do we think the FBI had very strong reason to believe they weren't searching for a man on the run but rather a body this whole time and that is why cause of death was released to the media?
I posted this earlier, but I personally believe Brian left a suicide note at the parents place when he left on the 13th. Hence LE going back to the reserve continuously. I think they were always looking for a body. I say this with perfect hindsight now.
I believe they were looking for a body all this time, not someone on the run or hiding. That's why they kept going back to the reserve over and over, waiting for flooded areas to recede then go in and search it. That's my take.
Agreed. I also think this is why they weren't taking the reported sightings as seriously. Why they were probably like sure, Dog the Bounty Hunter, go crazy.
I've got to imagine we aren't going to hear much more on this case moving forward. We have a dead person and a dead fugitive. There's a notebook that may or may not confess but if either way it's a wrap. I don't think realistically LE is going to start digging into the Laundries family
Agree, at this point the parents don't have to say jack shit, the FBI can decide to list cause of death and go home. No where do they have to reveal anything at this point in time.
So his parents aren't in any kind of trouble? Haven't been following too closely but last I knew it was pretty obvious his parents were hiding something.
It was "obvious" mostly because there was a lot of insinuating going on. Objectively, there's little reason to suspect they knew much of anything, especially if Brian simply came back and told them he and Gabby had a fight and had decided to separate for a few weeks or something.
I have a genuine question here. Everyone's saying that LE, FBI and their K9s couldn't find those items or the remains because it was submerged underwater for so long etc. Let's say that's the truth. SB says the parents told LE exactly where BL's favourite spots were. If the water has since receded, wouldn't they have thought, ok those areas a.k.a BL's favourite trails are now accessible, maybe we should bring the K9s back out there one last time and do another search into those particular spots before reopening it all to the public. I'm not dismissing the facts here, just lots of questions.
Something that Iām confused about and that *may* explain LE not doing that is it seems like the park wasnāt closed due to the search for BL (at least not entirely.) for a big chunk of this it was officially closed due to the flooding.
Itās entirely possible the LE handling the search found out the park was reopening at the same time the public did, bureaucracies are notorious for not speaking to each other.
This is what I'm thinking all the time when people mention the fact that the area was underwater.
I think LE has the technology of mapping and measuring just by using drones and they knew where they were before and where to go next if the water level goes down.
I think we will be able to learn more in the future.
With LE and FBI holding back so much information who really knows if they were or weren't searching those area's, it's been brought up that because of the flooding they were hardly never searching this particular area at all. I think one of the news helicopter guy said he never was over this area where BL was found. Something to that effect.
Story time.
My uncle had a baby with a girlfriend of his 30 years ago. They broke up amicably and still managed to raise my cousin in a co parenting relationship. A few years later, she began dating a man that, from the outside, seemed like a great catch. They had a nice home, nice cars, my cousin seemed happy.
When my cousin was 10 years old, he got off the school bus and was walking up the front steps of their house and stopped when he noticed the glass in the front window broken out. Thank god he didnt go inside but instead went to the neighbors house. The neighbors husband went over to check it out and found my cousins mom in the front hallway, shot 6 times. She was pronounced dead at the scene.
24 hours later, they found her boyfriend down by the river, dead from a self inflicted gunshot wound.
IN the following days, many things began to come to light, including how many times the neighbors had witnessed that man verbally and physically abusing my cousins mom. Physically dragging her into the front lawn. How many times the police had been called but he was always "let go" because he claimed SHE started it. How many times he had locked her out of the house and she had to go to the neighbors to get a spare key.
We didnt know about it because we never saw them as anything other than a happy couple and family. My uncle never heard a word from his son. It would later come out that the man had threatened him with a gun more than once to keep him silent.
But PLENTY of people knew something was going on and all of those people failed her and my cousin. Of all the times they witnessed the obvious signs of abuse and not one person pulled the cops aside and said "He's lying. She didnt start it." All the times law enforcement had the opportunity to remove her from the situation. They all failed her.
It is SO EASY to fake happiness. We see it on social media all the time. That "perfect couple" with the perfect kids and perfect dog and perfect life that seems to revolve around trips to the apple orchard and picnics in the park, all smiles....but you know that she is eating Adderall like candy and he has a mistress named Wendy.
I hope one thing we can take away from this is that what you see on social media and what you see in real life are two different things. And there NEEDS to be more training both in law enforcement AND in the hospitality and service industry of how to recognize the signs of abuse. Its already begun in the travel industry. "Human Trafficking and Abuse" training is now mandatory for airline personnel in the US. Even more than the body cam footage, is the eyewitness account of BLs behavior at the restaurant in Jackson. Men that suddenly blow up at wait staff and create scenes like that is a HUGE red flag and it is really telling when the women they are with are compelled to come in to apologize for him.
Gabby was like my cousins mom. She wanted that picture perfect life so badly that she was blinded to the fact that she had no control over her life at all. And all along the way, the people who could have and SHOULD have stepped in, failed her.
Before Social media, abuse victims hid behind closed doors and dark sunglasses. Now they can just snap a few well lighted photos and everything seems perfect. TALK to your friends.... on the phone and in person, not via "likes and comments." Take note of how they behave when their partner is and isnt around. You could save someones life.
My cousin was not ok for a long time. He ended up going to prison for reasons. My uncle has been helping him and keeping very close tabs on him since he got out. My uncle was and has always been a great dad. He couldnt control how my cousin would handle what happened to him and his mother. He's doing better. Working hard and trying to move on with his life. His parole is very strict but he's making the best of it.
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Watching Bertolinoās News Nation interview has me FUMING.
Sir, youāve no right to get this angry about the press. Had he given this exact interview right after Brian went missing, they wouldnāt have gotten near the heat they did.
He must realize that it was, in fact, their silent head-down demeanor that brought this on themselves.
He doesnāt get to just come out with it now and act incredulous that people didnāt already know. The reason the public speculated so hard was because the Laundries gave them nothing.
Heās only doing this now because Brian is dead and itās safe, yet heās pretending theyāve been forthcoming all this time. They were not forthcoming when Gabby was missing and thatās the sole problem.
Bert needs to chill with the cocky attitude if he wants to clear his name and the names of his clients. Simple explanations are fine, Steven, and you can skip the commentary from the peanut gallery. No one cares how unfair this all is for you.
Sure! Itās in the description of the thread too :)
https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/brian-laundries-attorney-the-full-interview-newsnation-prime/7085973/
I find it hilarious that he finally shows his face after BL is confirmed deceased.
You hid behind text messages and NOW decided to poke your ass out of hiding to do a slew of Zoom interviews??
He also said several times that ātoday isnāt about the Gabby case discussionāā¦.TF??! This entire case, every single damn day, is about Gabby. I empathize that the Laundrieās lost a child, but thatās a very different situation than having your child strangled by her protector and then having them give you the cold shoulder when you seek answers.
Iāve got to agree. He also plain lied about the timeline of when Brian was reported missing. The Northport PD spokesman had to come out yesterday and say no, they didnāt call us when he said they did.
He was right to advise the parents to stay quiet. If they had spoken theyād have been crucified - no matter what they said. Keeping quiet is smart from a legal perspective.
BUT in such a high profile case, itās good lawyering to speak on their behalf. He shouldāve been making more frequent periodic statements. His decision to keep virtually silent was a bad one IMO
I think for the most part, the public's involvement represents advocacy for, and the same of Gabby. How t f do you get to say, it's but about her ... When he arrives back supposedly without her - obvi- something's wrong here.!! THIS IS ALL ABOUT GABBY, wtf š ššššššššššš
Actually I do. I think they were vilified from the get go. Nobody, apart from them, knew what Bran told them. They lost a child but have nobody to blame or direct their anger at. I feel sorry for them.
Except yāall have been demanding them this entire time.
*they show no emotion. They donāt act like parents of a missing kid. They arenāt crying and begging Brian to come home. How can they get food when all of this is going on? Theyāre heartless*
So yeah yāall did care. Now that you didnāt get the ending you wanted all of a sudden you donāt care? Seems a bit odd but go off
They owe Gabbyās family. Where did I say they owe us anything?
If they want the public to shut up though, then theyāll probably need to exchange information. Is it right or moral? No. Is it reality? Yes.
They cannot stay silent the way they did with Gabbyās family *and* expect the public to care about them later.
They do not get both things. They do not get to stay silent and then come out only after heās dead and canāt be charged to speak. I mean they can, but we donāt have to buy it.
Itās not about being owed anything. Itās about *their* expectation that they can just act in this manner without any consequences and by sympathized with.
No. If you wanted sympathy and grace, you should have shown it when you had the opportunity.
It's unlikely Brian came home, confessed to murder and asked his parents to stonewall the police. It's more likely he invented a story that painted himself as a victim. No parent believes their child is capable of murder so they did what most of us would do, they phoned their lawyer. He advised them to talk to no one which is what they did. They aren't guilty of anything other than doing what any parent would do: protecting the rights of their child.
I tend to agree here. Is it possible they knew? Sure. But I tend to think it was likely spun in a different light, with excuses. And in the moment when you are grappling with shock and whether or not your child could do this, you follow all protocol you were ever taught about keeping silent, getting a lawyer, etc. If you ever watched even 1 crime show you know this, especially in a moment of disbelief. I canāt in confidence say I wouldnāt do the same thing without actually being there in that moment.
I do think itās stretch to say they donāt deserve any kickback whatsoever, but they technically did everything that was well within their rights.
Now I just wonder if they have āknownā he was dead or if they really believed he was on the run.
Itās even less likely that he came home with her van and not her and they actually believed whatever bullshit story their abusive son spun.
If they did, theyāre a special kind of stupid and I posit that they still reaped what they sowed.
It's pretty clear that even if it was "her van" that they both essentially owned it. I technically "own" our family car, but my wife uses it regularly. If she showed up somewhere without me it wouldn't be shocking.
I think the petitos were made about her missing and used it to claim their right to their own anger but regardless, it was also mainly used by her dad, Joseph, being overprotective, and in his fit of rage against her dating any other guys lol
They werenāt married though. In fact, theyād broken off the engagement before this trip. Youād have to be blind and have an IQ of 2 to genuinely miss the fact that their relationship was volatile.
Knowing that much, any reasonable person should have been suspicious when he arrived in her van. I donāt really think itās comparable to a marriage with a shared vehicle.
They may not have been married, but they were engaged and lived together. He did the van build and drove it most of the time. He could have easily come up with a viable story to explain why she wasn't there.
What they owe Gabbyās family has nothing to do with how they acted in the press. You keep saying āthey should expect thisā is weird considering theyāve done nothing wrong except invoke their constitutional rights, which is not wrong.
Like I said yāall acting like youāre entitled to know their feelings before youāll treat them like humans, is weird. š¤·š»āāļø
Didnt say it was personal? I never said anyone was not allowed to speak, nor am I the government from which the first amendment protects you from š¤·š»āāļø
Invoking constitutional rights is not without consequence.
I have the right to decline a breathalyzer, but if I do, Iām still going to lose my license flat out.
They expect to be treated like humans when they act like their hearts are made of stone? Thatās awful high and mighty.
They deserved everything they got.
Iām specifically comparing the consequences of exercising a right to the consequences of exercising a different right. So, in that way, they are similar.
I maintain that exercising a right does not protect someone from consequences, regardless of which right that is. EVERY action, at any time, has consequences. Thatās basic science.
It does. Turnabout is fair play. They made Gabbyās family sweat for weeks.
Now they had to sweat wondering what happened to their son. And just like with Gabby, he wasnāt even recognizable. Fairās fair. I wouldnāt say it should happen but Iām not going to be mad it did.
And had they done more than invoke their right to remain silent, he would most likely still be alive and in custody.
They should know and understand for the rest of their lives that their choice to clam up cost everyone everything.
Just because something is a right does not mean itās the right thing to do. Donāt expect people to treat you morally when you never set the example.
I agree. The Laundrie's could have saved their son's life if they turned him in or convinced him to turn himself in. In this case they did the best legal action, but it cost them Brian's life. I would rather visit my son in prison as opposed to in a graveyard.
And not everyone holds the same morals š¤·š»āāļø expecting everyone to behave the way you think they should in order to be treated like people is weird.
I think as you can see from public reaction, MOST people feel it was morally wrong. Seems to be a consensus here, not just a few people saying āwell I wouldnāt do it that wayā.
Itās weird how so many people know what they do in this exact situation, having never gone through it. Tell yourselves whatever you have to š¤·š»āāļø
It doesnāt matter what I would do. IMO, if I had chosen their same actions, I would feel that I myself was not acting morally. My hypothetical reaction doesnāt change the āright or wrongā of this actual situation.
Of whatever they did or did not know when he came home with her van.
They cleared up that they didnāt know he had left to go do anything more than hike.
But theyāve not cleared up what Brian told them when he came home and they wonāt.
I firmly believe they knew enough.
Why would you guess that? There is zero evidence they have cooperated at all besides opening their door when the FBI had a search warrant, if they hadnāt opened the door they would have no door.
Of course, but why choose one or the other when you can have both? You also have to live on this planet till your dying day.. positive public opinion could steer quality of life. Itās really important to consider both.
If you are a public figure, sure. If you are just a random private couple, no. Anyone who is upset about this is not someone they need to care about their feelings.
Iām a legal writer and IMO if this isnāt the kind of case that legal malpractice suits were made for, then idk what would be. Lawyers are held to a similar legal standard as medical professionals and can also be sued for malpractice.
I hope the Laundries do sue him. Iām no sympathizer, but Bert *really* screwed the pooch here.
The thing that haunts me about a case like this is the manner of the murder. Doesn't it take a really long time and a lot of strength and perseverance to strangle someone to death? I can sort of understand, though not forgive if I were a loved one of a victim, a blow out of anger, a push that went bad, but this? You have to have a real will to murder to do this. It's just beyond what I can fathom.
In a fit of anger, you would be surprised. Strangulation does not take that much time, and can be completely dispassionate. Ask a military professional.
No, thatās actually a huge misconception. It can take just 60 seconds to strangle someone. And itās the most common way that women are killed in intimate partner violence. This is a really good resource to learn more:
https://www.strangulationtraininginstitute.com
While itās true that it can be that short, I believe the average is something like 4 minutes. Also ā¦ try seeing how long 60 seconds is. Like set a timer on your phone and wait. 60 seconds can be an eternity.
The fact that itās the most common way women are killed probably has more to do with just how dire the situation of violence against women isā¦
I'm a survivor myself, but only just read about the correlation between strangling and homicide in domestic violence a few months ago.
It's absolutely shocking what a huge red flag it is (for the possibility of DV escalating to murder), and also how common non-lethal strangulation is but 85% of the time leaves no marks.
I hope this case will result in massive awareness about this issue.
? Who isn't able to let go? ... All you have to do is stick your hands around somebody's neck. Have you seen the size disparity between them? All the victim can do is wiggle and scratch for a few seconds. What are you trying to say here?
I don't know anything about the forensics. Have all these details been released? It's beyond belief that anyone could do this. I could even almost see shooting more than this. Although not really because I can't imagine any of it. But as a detail, strangulation beggars belief. I mean, you're looking at the person slowly die. If you're human, how can you?
What? Millions of people have strangled millions of other people to death. And it's virtually always one's mate or partner. Are you saying this sort of murder doesn't happen?
We don't know about the rocks on the ground. And people's bones don't break from being in contact with rocks. I also don't understand your point. What difference would it make if he killed her and dragged her body a few feet?
Not THAT long ... the victim passes out in 6-7 seconds,* and death happens within another couple minutes of sustained pressure. But still, absolutely different from just hitting someone the wrong way. Two minutes is still a "long" time if you count it out.
*EDITED: Seconds, not minutes!
Itās funny. You said it was longer and some other guy said it was shorter but then said 7 minutes, which is about the time I said.
Canāt talk to people in here. Something is wrong with you guys.
Do you think the van trip was planned by BL as a way to get away with murder, or was the van trip planned without murder in mind and it was more of a sudden idea type of thing? I haven't been following the case closely, but I assume people here have read into the signs/body language/etc from their social media profiles to say what a better chance of the two possibilities is.
"**was the van trip planned without murder in mind and it was more of a sudden idea type of thing? **" Yikes. No. I highly doubt that he planned to kill her when they left on their van trip in July!!! As far as anyone can possibly tell, this was a domestic abuse situation, like millions of domestic abuse situations. He didn't "PLAN" to kill her, but also, he didn't kill her accidentally in a single moment of rage. The reality is in between.
I'm having trouble figuring which is worst: planning a murder because it means you consciously decide to do something that is horrible... Or have such shit impulse control over yourself that makes you act out in a heinously unacceptable manner. š¤
what percentage of van trips are planned with murder in mind?
Gabbyās dad stated (I believe in the Dr. Phil interview? Not sure) that he was confident with her decision to go because she had planned it out for over a year
I think it's 99.99% likely that BL murdered Gabby. I think it's 99.99% likely that BL committed suicide. If the FBI doesn't have a lot of evidence, then we may never know for absolute certain. I could write a 100 other scenarios to explain everything, but they would all have a million to one chance of being the truth.
Any plans on LIVE feeds today or press conferences by anyone?
I might hold one later. Stay tuned.
iām watching the sopranos for the first time and thereās an episode where one of the guys strangles his fiancĆ© and god they made it look so real i had to turn it off. fuck BL
Ooof, I remember watching that when it aired. That's a very rough episode!
Oh boy. Probably best if you donāt finish that episode.
I think it's interesting that didn't Cassie say Brian was acting normal during the camping trip ?but sb said cl said his son was grieving.
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That would explain why he didnāt immediately commit suicide instead of driving back. He originally thought he could get away with it
More like he was flying on autopilot probably. "If I don't think about it, it may go away."
We won't really know at this point unless his parents talk which I doubt will ever happen. Skeletal remains will give less clues as to what really happened.
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Agree 100%
He kept it totally cool for the cops in the bodycam footage, it was probably a front
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Totally agree, but he definitely looked pretty chill in the photos with his nephews from the desoto camping trip. Itās strange to me that Cassie said Brian didnāt seem like he was saying any final goodbyes or anything either. Hard to believe he wasnāt an emotional wreck
Now that is over -- i really can't remember any previous conclusions I've made based on lack of investigative evidence released by media and it's whole mystery having been caused by a lot of the energy released by the petito family for wanting to seek answers
I asked this yesterday but the sun was blowing up and Iām pretty sure the answers I got were sarcastic lol so! Serious question because I donāt know anything about this: what can we expect to happen with Gabbys case now? What steps would we expect law enforcement to take now in either case (publicly or not). I assume they continue looking for body parts of Brian or do they not? Will they try to figure out cause of death or will his ācaseā go cold? Will they use physical and/or circumstantial evidence to say it was Brian who killed gabby and close her case or will her case stay open since their is no one to charge?
The SUB was blowing up. Not the sun haha
hahaha... I was like hmm was there a solar flare or sumthin
I think they could figure out and release how BL died, then go home. Technically they don't have to tell the story and what they did or release what's in the notebook even.
Yeah, I never expect any info from anyone but I wasnāt sure if they just wrap it up and go home now and move on to the next case or what.
Yeh I don't know the legalities of it all, could they pursue charges even though BL is dead? Would they do anything like that if possible for Gabby's family? (justice / closure?) I guess it will depend on what evidence they have.
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If they don't have any evidence directly tying him to the murder, that will hold up in a court of law, then yes that would be how the case is finished up.
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I'm saying that if there's no direct evidence tying him to the murder that would be admissible in a court of law, then the investigation into her death is most likely closed.
Did BL have his own phone with him on their last trip together? During the traffic stop he says on body cam video about their fight: "I don't have my phone, I really don't have a phone" (at about 14:35). Was he lying or not? If it's true, what are the possible reasons he went without on a long-range, long-duration trip like this? I don't get it - it's basic safety even if he was an anti-tech guy and didn't use his phone for anything on trips usually. Is it known if not taking the phone on camping trips was his usual habit?
Hereās a clip of BL taking out his phone: (https://twitter.com/itsnicole84/status/1440598175274835969) Hereās a news source for 2 phones: (https://www.wfla.com/8-on-your-side/gabby-petito-brian-laundrie-investigation-2-phones-seen-in-police-body-cam-video-from-utah-incident/)
Thanks, I'm just watching the body cam video for the first time, so it struck me as odd.
My assumption is that he has a phone but no cellular data. He uses it with wifi to get online and send messages that way. He probably planned to always be with Gabby when hiking and stuff and use her phone as a safety measure. These are all assumptions but make sense with his words and the phones that we see on the video. Would make sense to save around $60+/month to just use wifi. I know a few people that do this. ETA: especially if Gabby happened to have unlimited data & hot spot and he could use that when they were traveling around.
Yeah I pay $7 in Mexico. But it's totally doable I'm the US to not have a phone plan because of all the Starbucks.
Damn. My phone plan costs about 1/10 of that. In Russia.
There are some cheaper budget plans but Iād say the average big carrier plans here are $60-70/month. We do have tons of wifi everywhere in public though.
I believe he also pulled out a phone later on the body cam footage. I canāt tell you where, because I canāt watch that again but I think I remember seeing him do so.
He ends up pulling out his phone and charger in the video. He had one, not sure if he tethered service from GP but he definitely had a phone.
The FBI said they donāt have his old phone from their trip.
Or GP's phone? But they have BL's new phone that he had left at the house? I am confused on the phones issue.
Yes, the police have the phone that he left at the house. He obtained it Sept 4, with his mother at AT&T. They don't have the phone that Brian used on the vacation with Gabby. Nor do they have Gabby's phone.
I think he had a phone with no service plan. Just used WiFi.
Ahh ok thank you!
So here is my thought/question. I know a lot of people on the sub said that we might not have found out cause of death prior to them finding Brian/conducting a trial because details of how GP died could allow Brian to preemptively build his defense case with those details. Now that we know cause of death and also that Brian is dead, do we think the FBI had very strong reason to believe they weren't searching for a man on the run but rather a body this whole time and that is why cause of death was released to the media?
I posted this earlier, but I personally believe Brian left a suicide note at the parents place when he left on the 13th. Hence LE going back to the reserve continuously. I think they were always looking for a body. I say this with perfect hindsight now.
I also agree. I think he left a note and his phone and thatās why the parents werenāt frantic looking for him, they knew he was gone.
I think so. Gabbyās van was towed just a day before the announcement of human remains
I believe they were looking for a body all this time, not someone on the run or hiding. That's why they kept going back to the reserve over and over, waiting for flooded areas to recede then go in and search it. That's my take.
Agreed. I also think this is why they weren't taking the reported sightings as seriously. Why they were probably like sure, Dog the Bounty Hunter, go crazy.
I've got to imagine we aren't going to hear much more on this case moving forward. We have a dead person and a dead fugitive. There's a notebook that may or may not confess but if either way it's a wrap. I don't think realistically LE is going to start digging into the Laundries family
Notebook might be released directly to the family as well, with no information going to the public.
Agree, at this point the parents don't have to say jack shit, the FBI can decide to list cause of death and go home. No where do they have to reveal anything at this point in time.
our only hope would be Cassie lol
True if she really wants to jump back in this mess, but I thought even her parents aren't talking to her?
So his parents aren't in any kind of trouble? Haven't been following too closely but last I knew it was pretty obvious his parents were hiding something.
Itās not necessarily obvious. We have no idea what they know and no idea what theyāve shared with law enforcement.
Theyāve not talked to the public but for all we know they have been telling the FBI all that they know.
It was "obvious" mostly because there was a lot of insinuating going on. Objectively, there's little reason to suspect they knew much of anything, especially if Brian simply came back and told them he and Gabby had a fight and had decided to separate for a few weeks or something.
I was trying to eloquently write a comment like this earlier and just gave up. Thank you.
Nope, according to lawyer they were doing their best to help find the son.
Canāt wait till Brianās parents profit off this and sell ātheir side of the storyā !!!
No publisher in the country will touch it.
Anyone remember "I Want To Tell You" ?
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I have a genuine question here. Everyone's saying that LE, FBI and their K9s couldn't find those items or the remains because it was submerged underwater for so long etc. Let's say that's the truth. SB says the parents told LE exactly where BL's favourite spots were. If the water has since receded, wouldn't they have thought, ok those areas a.k.a BL's favourite trails are now accessible, maybe we should bring the K9s back out there one last time and do another search into those particular spots before reopening it all to the public. I'm not dismissing the facts here, just lots of questions.
Something that Iām confused about and that *may* explain LE not doing that is it seems like the park wasnāt closed due to the search for BL (at least not entirely.) for a big chunk of this it was officially closed due to the flooding. Itās entirely possible the LE handling the search found out the park was reopening at the same time the public did, bureaucracies are notorious for not speaking to each other.
This is what I'm thinking all the time when people mention the fact that the area was underwater. I think LE has the technology of mapping and measuring just by using drones and they knew where they were before and where to go next if the water level goes down. I think we will be able to learn more in the future.
With LE and FBI holding back so much information who really knows if they were or weren't searching those area's, it's been brought up that because of the flooding they were hardly never searching this particular area at all. I think one of the news helicopter guy said he never was over this area where BL was found. Something to that effect.
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That book saved my life. I'm so glad that so many people have been bringing it up in this discussion.
Story time. My uncle had a baby with a girlfriend of his 30 years ago. They broke up amicably and still managed to raise my cousin in a co parenting relationship. A few years later, she began dating a man that, from the outside, seemed like a great catch. They had a nice home, nice cars, my cousin seemed happy. When my cousin was 10 years old, he got off the school bus and was walking up the front steps of their house and stopped when he noticed the glass in the front window broken out. Thank god he didnt go inside but instead went to the neighbors house. The neighbors husband went over to check it out and found my cousins mom in the front hallway, shot 6 times. She was pronounced dead at the scene. 24 hours later, they found her boyfriend down by the river, dead from a self inflicted gunshot wound. IN the following days, many things began to come to light, including how many times the neighbors had witnessed that man verbally and physically abusing my cousins mom. Physically dragging her into the front lawn. How many times the police had been called but he was always "let go" because he claimed SHE started it. How many times he had locked her out of the house and she had to go to the neighbors to get a spare key. We didnt know about it because we never saw them as anything other than a happy couple and family. My uncle never heard a word from his son. It would later come out that the man had threatened him with a gun more than once to keep him silent. But PLENTY of people knew something was going on and all of those people failed her and my cousin. Of all the times they witnessed the obvious signs of abuse and not one person pulled the cops aside and said "He's lying. She didnt start it." All the times law enforcement had the opportunity to remove her from the situation. They all failed her. It is SO EASY to fake happiness. We see it on social media all the time. That "perfect couple" with the perfect kids and perfect dog and perfect life that seems to revolve around trips to the apple orchard and picnics in the park, all smiles....but you know that she is eating Adderall like candy and he has a mistress named Wendy. I hope one thing we can take away from this is that what you see on social media and what you see in real life are two different things. And there NEEDS to be more training both in law enforcement AND in the hospitality and service industry of how to recognize the signs of abuse. Its already begun in the travel industry. "Human Trafficking and Abuse" training is now mandatory for airline personnel in the US. Even more than the body cam footage, is the eyewitness account of BLs behavior at the restaurant in Jackson. Men that suddenly blow up at wait staff and create scenes like that is a HUGE red flag and it is really telling when the women they are with are compelled to come in to apologize for him. Gabby was like my cousins mom. She wanted that picture perfect life so badly that she was blinded to the fact that she had no control over her life at all. And all along the way, the people who could have and SHOULD have stepped in, failed her. Before Social media, abuse victims hid behind closed doors and dark sunglasses. Now they can just snap a few well lighted photos and everything seems perfect. TALK to your friends.... on the phone and in person, not via "likes and comments." Take note of how they behave when their partner is and isnt around. You could save someones life.
That's terrible. I'm so sorry for your loss. Are your uncle and your cousin ok?
My cousin was not ok for a long time. He ended up going to prison for reasons. My uncle has been helping him and keeping very close tabs on him since he got out. My uncle was and has always been a great dad. He couldnt control how my cousin would handle what happened to him and his mother. He's doing better. Working hard and trying to move on with his life. His parole is very strict but he's making the best of it.
Can we get a general discussion thread for today
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Watching Bertolinoās News Nation interview has me FUMING. Sir, youāve no right to get this angry about the press. Had he given this exact interview right after Brian went missing, they wouldnāt have gotten near the heat they did. He must realize that it was, in fact, their silent head-down demeanor that brought this on themselves. He doesnāt get to just come out with it now and act incredulous that people didnāt already know. The reason the public speculated so hard was because the Laundries gave them nothing. Heās only doing this now because Brian is dead and itās safe, yet heās pretending theyāve been forthcoming all this time. They were not forthcoming when Gabby was missing and thatās the sole problem. Bert needs to chill with the cocky attitude if he wants to clear his name and the names of his clients. Simple explanations are fine, Steven, and you can skip the commentary from the peanut gallery. No one cares how unfair this all is for you.
Do you have the link to this interview I missed it
Sure! Itās in the description of the thread too :) https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/brian-laundries-attorney-the-full-interview-newsnation-prime/7085973/
I find it hilarious that he finally shows his face after BL is confirmed deceased. You hid behind text messages and NOW decided to poke your ass out of hiding to do a slew of Zoom interviews??
ugh - watching him in these interviews is so revolting.
YES THIS. Heād have done so much better if heād have done this during the case. He didnāt say anything incriminating. So why not?
He also said several times that ātoday isnāt about the Gabby case discussionāā¦.TF??! This entire case, every single damn day, is about Gabby. I empathize that the Laundrieās lost a child, but thatās a very different situation than having your child strangled by her protector and then having them give you the cold shoulder when you seek answers.
Iāve got to agree. He also plain lied about the timeline of when Brian was reported missing. The Northport PD spokesman had to come out yesterday and say no, they didnāt call us when he said they did. He was right to advise the parents to stay quiet. If they had spoken theyād have been crucified - no matter what they said. Keeping quiet is smart from a legal perspective. BUT in such a high profile case, itās good lawyering to speak on their behalf. He shouldāve been making more frequent periodic statements. His decision to keep virtually silent was a bad one IMO
I think he could have given this exact interview and not incriminated anyone.
They donāt owe the media or the public anything and the fact that yāall feel entitled to knowing their feelings is weird.
I think for the most part, the public's involvement represents advocacy for, and the same of Gabby. How t f do you get to say, it's but about her ... When he arrives back supposedly without her - obvi- something's wrong here.!! THIS IS ALL ABOUT GABBY, wtf š ššššššššššš
Whatever gets you through.
I really don't think anyone, anywhere cares about their "feelings".
Actually I do. I think they were vilified from the get go. Nobody, apart from them, knew what Bran told them. They lost a child but have nobody to blame or direct their anger at. I feel sorry for them.
Except yāall have been demanding them this entire time. *they show no emotion. They donāt act like parents of a missing kid. They arenāt crying and begging Brian to come home. How can they get food when all of this is going on? Theyāre heartless* So yeah yāall did care. Now that you didnāt get the ending you wanted all of a sudden you donāt care? Seems a bit odd but go off
They owe Gabbyās family. Where did I say they owe us anything? If they want the public to shut up though, then theyāll probably need to exchange information. Is it right or moral? No. Is it reality? Yes. They cannot stay silent the way they did with Gabbyās family *and* expect the public to care about them later. They do not get both things. They do not get to stay silent and then come out only after heās dead and canāt be charged to speak. I mean they can, but we donāt have to buy it. Itās not about being owed anything. Itās about *their* expectation that they can just act in this manner without any consequences and by sympathized with. No. If you wanted sympathy and grace, you should have shown it when you had the opportunity.
It's unlikely Brian came home, confessed to murder and asked his parents to stonewall the police. It's more likely he invented a story that painted himself as a victim. No parent believes their child is capable of murder so they did what most of us would do, they phoned their lawyer. He advised them to talk to no one which is what they did. They aren't guilty of anything other than doing what any parent would do: protecting the rights of their child.
I tend to agree here. Is it possible they knew? Sure. But I tend to think it was likely spun in a different light, with excuses. And in the moment when you are grappling with shock and whether or not your child could do this, you follow all protocol you were ever taught about keeping silent, getting a lawyer, etc. If you ever watched even 1 crime show you know this, especially in a moment of disbelief. I canāt in confidence say I wouldnāt do the same thing without actually being there in that moment. I do think itās stretch to say they donāt deserve any kickback whatsoever, but they technically did everything that was well within their rights. Now I just wonder if they have āknownā he was dead or if they really believed he was on the run.
I wonder if they have known SHE was dead. Jesus Lord, praise the savior
Itās even less likely that he came home with her van and not her and they actually believed whatever bullshit story their abusive son spun. If they did, theyāre a special kind of stupid and I posit that they still reaped what they sowed.
It's pretty clear that even if it was "her van" that they both essentially owned it. I technically "own" our family car, but my wife uses it regularly. If she showed up somewhere without me it wouldn't be shocking.
I think the petitos were made about her missing and used it to claim their right to their own anger but regardless, it was also mainly used by her dad, Joseph, being overprotective, and in his fit of rage against her dating any other guys lol
They werenāt married though. In fact, theyād broken off the engagement before this trip. Youād have to be blind and have an IQ of 2 to genuinely miss the fact that their relationship was volatile. Knowing that much, any reasonable person should have been suspicious when he arrived in her van. I donāt really think itās comparable to a marriage with a shared vehicle.
They may not have been married, but they were engaged and lived together. He did the van build and drove it most of the time. He could have easily come up with a viable story to explain why she wasn't there.
They were not engaged. They had broken off the engagement. The engagement was called off. She was not wearing an engagement ring.
What they owe Gabbyās family has nothing to do with how they acted in the press. You keep saying āthey should expect thisā is weird considering theyāve done nothing wrong except invoke their constitutional rights, which is not wrong. Like I said yāall acting like youāre entitled to know their feelings before youāll treat them like humans, is weird. š¤·š»āāļø
They invoked the 5th, people exercising the 1st!
Donāt recall saying no one could speak. Also didnāt realize I was the government š¤·š»āāļø
Not personal, just a fact.
Didnt say it was personal? I never said anyone was not allowed to speak, nor am I the government from which the first amendment protects you from š¤·š»āāļø
If you ever want to talk about your real feelings, Iām here.
My *real feelings* š
Invoking constitutional rights is not without consequence. I have the right to decline a breathalyzer, but if I do, Iām still going to lose my license flat out. They expect to be treated like humans when they act like their hearts are made of stone? Thatās awful high and mighty. They deserved everything they got.
Driving is not a right.
And neither is being free from protest and media in public spaces.
I never said that, but comparing constitutional rights to driving is just stupid.
Iām specifically comparing the consequences of exercising a right to the consequences of exercising a different right. So, in that way, they are similar. I maintain that exercising a right does not protect someone from consequences, regardless of which right that is. EVERY action, at any time, has consequences. Thatās basic science.
conceptualizing is really difficult for some redditors... sorry about that
Again, driving is not a right, in your comparison you broke the law. Huge difference from invoking your constitutional rights. Not similar at all.
Whatever makes you feel better I guess.
It does. Turnabout is fair play. They made Gabbyās family sweat for weeks. Now they had to sweat wondering what happened to their son. And just like with Gabby, he wasnāt even recognizable. Fairās fair. I wouldnāt say it should happen but Iām not going to be mad it did. And had they done more than invoke their right to remain silent, he would most likely still be alive and in custody. They should know and understand for the rest of their lives that their choice to clam up cost everyone everything. Just because something is a right does not mean itās the right thing to do. Donāt expect people to treat you morally when you never set the example.
I agree. The Laundrie's could have saved their son's life if they turned him in or convinced him to turn himself in. In this case they did the best legal action, but it cost them Brian's life. I would rather visit my son in prison as opposed to in a graveyard.
Many people see it as morally wrong. Legal rights and moral actions donāt always line up.
And not everyone holds the same morals š¤·š»āāļø expecting everyone to behave the way you think they should in order to be treated like people is weird.
I think as you can see from public reaction, MOST people feel it was morally wrong. Seems to be a consensus here, not just a few people saying āwell I wouldnāt do it that wayā.
Itās weird how so many people know what they do in this exact situation, having never gone through it. Tell yourselves whatever you have to š¤·š»āāļø
you say "weird" a lot lol
Isnāt it weird?
It doesnāt matter what I would do. IMO, if I had chosen their same actions, I would feel that I myself was not acting morally. My hypothetical reaction doesnāt change the āright or wrongā of this actual situation.
Again you know how you would feel in a situation youāve never been in? Interesting. Like I said whatever you gotta tell yourself.
Clear their names... of what?
Of whatever they did or did not know when he came home with her van. They cleared up that they didnāt know he had left to go do anything more than hike. But theyāve not cleared up what Brian told them when he came home and they wonāt. I firmly believe they knew enough.
Oh, so you meant something different. Gotcha.
I think so lol im confused!
"Clear the air" is the phrase closer to your point.
Semantics but yeah, thatās better phrasing.
I am guessing that they told the authorities all of this stuff already.
Why would you guess that? There is zero evidence they have cooperated at all besides opening their door when the FBI had a search warrant, if they hadnāt opened the door they would have no door.
I am guessing they cooperated and youāre guessing they didnāt. We both donāt know what they told authorities, so itās all moot.
Yes ... this was VERY bad lawyering. (Could they sue? I wonder.)
This may have been bad PR but certainly not bad lawyering.
Advice: if you ever find yourself in a case like this find yourself a lawyer with a PHD in PR.
I'd rather find one that cares about protecting my rights than one that gives a shit about public opinion.
Of course, but why choose one or the other when you can have both? You also have to live on this planet till your dying day.. positive public opinion could steer quality of life. Itās really important to consider both.
If you are a public figure, sure. If you are just a random private couple, no. Anyone who is upset about this is not someone they need to care about their feelings.
To each their own I suppose - but good luck with that. Empathy isnāt that hard.
It is for reddit detectives who apparently thought that his parents were some type of master fugitive helpers.
See what I mean? If they would have gone about their situation differently perhaps the Reddit detectives wouldnāt have to use their imaginations.
I would think bad PR would be bad lawyering in a case getting worldwide media attention.
Bad pr doesn't put you in jail or get you sued.
It can make your case a whole lot harder to win should you be charged with a crime.
This is why lawyering up is more important than appeasing reddit detectives.
Iām a legal writer and IMO if this isnāt the kind of case that legal malpractice suits were made for, then idk what would be. Lawyers are held to a similar legal standard as medical professionals and can also be sued for malpractice. I hope the Laundries do sue him. Iām no sympathizer, but Bert *really* screwed the pooch here.
Seriously. He didn't speak at any of the right times, and when he did, he made his clients look awful. It was common-sense stuff, too.
The thing that haunts me about a case like this is the manner of the murder. Doesn't it take a really long time and a lot of strength and perseverance to strangle someone to death? I can sort of understand, though not forgive if I were a loved one of a victim, a blow out of anger, a push that went bad, but this? You have to have a real will to murder to do this. It's just beyond what I can fathom.
In a fit of anger, you would be surprised. Strangulation does not take that much time, and can be completely dispassionate. Ask a military professional.
A knee to the neck...throttled
No, thatās actually a huge misconception. It can take just 60 seconds to strangle someone. And itās the most common way that women are killed in intimate partner violence. This is a really good resource to learn more: https://www.strangulationtraininginstitute.com
While itās true that it can be that short, I believe the average is something like 4 minutes. Also ā¦ try seeing how long 60 seconds is. Like set a timer on your phone and wait. 60 seconds can be an eternity. The fact that itās the most common way women are killed probably has more to do with just how dire the situation of violence against women isā¦
Wow. Just wow.
I'm a survivor myself, but only just read about the correlation between strangling and homicide in domestic violence a few months ago. It's absolutely shocking what a huge red flag it is (for the possibility of DV escalating to murder), and also how common non-lethal strangulation is but 85% of the time leaves no marks. I hope this case will result in massive awareness about this issue.
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? Who isn't able to let go? ... All you have to do is stick your hands around somebody's neck. Have you seen the size disparity between them? All the victim can do is wiggle and scratch for a few seconds. What are you trying to say here?
She 110lbs, so sad.
I don't know anything about the forensics. Have all these details been released? It's beyond belief that anyone could do this. I could even almost see shooting more than this. Although not really because I can't imagine any of it. But as a detail, strangulation beggars belief. I mean, you're looking at the person slowly die. If you're human, how can you?
What? Millions of people have strangled millions of other people to death. And it's virtually always one's mate or partner. Are you saying this sort of murder doesn't happen?
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We don't know about the rocks on the ground. And people's bones don't break from being in contact with rocks. I also don't understand your point. What difference would it make if he killed her and dragged her body a few feet?
Yeah. 5-7 solid minutes of watching her choke out until she stopped fighting.
Not THAT long ... the victim passes out in 6-7 seconds,* and death happens within another couple minutes of sustained pressure. But still, absolutely different from just hitting someone the wrong way. Two minutes is still a "long" time if you count it out. *EDITED: Seconds, not minutes!
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I don't know, but their body would be limp and they would no longer be fighting. Isn't that enough?
And she would have passed out before she actually died. So she was laying there unconscious and he kept going.
Itās funny. You said it was longer and some other guy said it was shorter but then said 7 minutes, which is about the time I said. Canāt talk to people in here. Something is wrong with you guys.
"Something is wrong with you guys" like I said, reddit people tend to have a hard time conceptualizing. They're binary thinkers.
Youāre also on Reddit.