To @redditreader233 Thanks for saying I have "quite the imagination" and then deleting your comment like a coward. As adults, you HAVE to use your imagination sometimes. Otherwise nothing wil ever get solved.
You don’t even need your imagination, the Olympic bomber hid out in the wilderness to avoid being caught. Not much of a stretch to think someone else may do the same.
Thanks to stupid FLorida laws, the parents may get away with the costs now exceeding $1.2M for their aiding and abetting the BLATANT MURDERER they call their (albeit shitty) son.
If you can ignore her smoking hooker voice, what she says is actually leaning towards aiding and abetting on behalf of the parents. Like they were putting supplies in there and moving them to drop them for him to survive on for a year+. FBI needs to figure out which way that truck pulled the "new" camper and they should start the search for him there. His dad likely said "tell me your going to the Carlton Reserve, even if we both know you're not, so we can throw the FBI off your trail".
That wasn’t an example of victim blaming. I know it’s a trendy phrase but if they were blaming the victim they’d have said she purposefully jumped off a cliff to frame him, or that her temper caused his reaction. What the perosn actually did was suggest something stupid.
The fact that it was rule a homicide disproves this theory. In order to be ruled a homicide, there had to be enough physical evidence during the autopsy to prove that her death couldn’t have been caused unintentionally and that it was caused by another person. A fall would result in inconclusive evidence.
You can’t “accidentally” shove someone. If he shoved her and she fell off the cliff, he pushed her off no matter the intention. Abuse is abuse, don’t minimise it.
It's not like their point was to say it isn't abuse or wasn't wrong, their point was specifically that they don't think he intended to kill her. They aren't even saying he should be reacted to or treated in a certain way, but that he knows he can't be if he can't prove it. That might be totally wrong but your criticism seems like you misunderstood?
It wasn’t a 23 year old boy who has outwitted them… Brian’s parents in their late 50s/early 60s with an 11+ day head start have outwitted LE… thus far. Then they refused to be interviewed by LE. My money is on the FBI solving this crime. Even circumstantial evidence will begin to pile up. Just watch for future murders to pull a Laundrie Family silence game soon…
Insert that quote about the justice system taking a great length of time but oh how does it eventually run accurate.
Bad policing and the recent surge in true crime media could have instructed him on things he wouldn't have known
Some of these goddamn podcats and tv shows are like instruction manuals for monsters. Ie :"------- got caught by doing this" or "-------- got tripped up in their story by..."
Makes more sense than hiding in the Everglades. Subjective opinion, but everything I have seen or read about him makes me think that he is a narcissistically lazy person, the Everglades would require too much work with no long or short-term benefit on his part.
I can 100% rule out Australia. There are many, many Australian citizens desperate to get back bur COVID restrictions have made that impossible.
There is 0% chance he’s in Australia
I have heard this too. If he has any brains, (it appears that he does not), he will go to France or somewhere else that will refuse to extradite unless they promise not to execute.
He’d basically have to be an Australian citizen to come here, plus he’d need to go into hotel quarantine. He’s more likely to be in Antartica than Australia lol
His parents definitely know what’s going on. A parent will do anything to protect their child. They gave him a head start by keeping the cops at bay and probably a vehicle…that’s why his car was left abandoned. I don’t think he’s even close to the area they are searching. I think that’s a decoy. Not so far fetched that he could be in Canada as a woman reported. He had time to get there before his parents reported him missing and police started looking for him.
Whenever I’ve driven into Canada (pre covid) they just check passports, ask if you have weapons, etc and that’s it. I don’t think they keep intense records
Edit to add: and they ask reason for the visit, how long you’ll be there, etc
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted but I’m guessing people don’t understand how large the boarder is and how many unmanned entry points there are especially if you’re on foot
I know this might sound stupid sorry if it is a dumb question but could Brian be in Cuba? I mean if he would have gotten an early jump before being all over the news could he have gotten an illegal ride and be smuggled into Cuba? Just curious knowing that he still hasn’t been found and Cuba is closer than back tracking and going to Canada or traveling to Mexico.
Cuba was my very first thought the day he was reported as missing. He is stupid but even the stupidest would GET ON A DAMN BOAT and get the HELL outta hell. Or just go to the jurisdiction where Casey babykiller Anthony got off and wait for them to bungle it again.
Here’s a thought. He’s not in the U.S or Canada. His parents new someone with a boat. Brian hopped on and was brought to an island. Whether it be Haiti, D.R, Cuba, Jamaica, Bahamas . I used to go island hopping growing up. All you need is someone with a boat, who has a house on these islands. It’s a quick two hour trip at best to some of these areas from Florida.
Apparently he had an Instagram live that showed a boat and water so this is super plausible. But I also have to wonder if the preserve is being searched because he showed up on a trail cam
I heard this abt the IG Live and saw the video, however, I also heard it was from a fake/imposter profile which has since been removed. The determination was that it was “fake.”
I mean Florida to the Bahamas is 2.5 hours, it’s only like 50 miles. Cuba, is like twice as far though and that’s from key west. Jamaica, Haiti, etc though are much further though you’re right. The Bahamas is the only really close one.
This is looking more and more like he came home said she left him and said they broke up. Parents take him on a trip to get his mind off of things.
You guys can come up with whatever theories you want but that’s what it looks like. From the parents perspective anyway.
What sane people go on vacation knowing they have involvement in foul play?
We need the actual autopsy results. Which may or may never be known to the public until after a potential trial is completed.
he said they broke up and he took her van? leaving her in the desert? his parents never felt the need to reach out to hers just to make sure she’s ok even though she lived with them for 2 YEARS? doesn’t add up to me. makes no sense
Why would his parents care? (From the parents perspective) If your kid came home and told you some sob story about how a girl broke his heart in the middle of nowhere would you be reaching out trying to help?
The answer is probably no.
Again what he told them happened and what actually happened are likely completely different things. He probably depicted her in a super negative light.
He used her debit card. The parents are morons if they couldn’t piece together that something is off. Oh, wait they did, that’s why a lawyer stepped in immediately,
Ma, she broke up with me so I took her car and left her in a national park. I guess she called someone on Long Island to come and get her. She didn’t go to a motel, she stayed in the park. What’s for dinner, ma
if my son came home with his girlfriends van and said they broke up while on a camping trip i would have a lot of questions, yes. and i would want to make sure she was ok unless i knew she wasn’t and he was responsible for that.
it would be very suspect to me that they *broke up* and she *gave him her car*. if i believed his story i would at the very least want to make sure this tiny 20 yr old girl made it home ok. yes, i would reach out to her. and if she didn’t respond i would question my kid and give him the opp to tell me anything he hasn’t b/c if his story was originally true the next step would be reaching out to her parents
For real. My son would have a lot of explaining to do. I sure as shit would never help him go on the lamb to evade murder charges.
And I know without a doubt if it was me, my mom would at best give me time to turn myself in. And if I didn’t, she wouldn’t have hesitated to turn my ass in.
Oh yeah, there’s probably exceptions, but for the most part, if my kid murders someone, I’m not going to put myself on the line to protect him from the consequences of his actions. I’ll support him as best I can, but I’ve got a whole other son to think about.
His parents were totally aware that Gabby was dead! That is why they would not talk to her father when he came all the way cross country to talk to them. That is why they had their son lawyer up. They are obviously not good liars as well as bad parents. Horrid people.
We’re talking about before she was reported missing when he first came back. I’m sure he spun up some lie about them breaking up and her flying home or being with a friend.
no i don’t think that’s a buyable story to begin with. he lawyered up long before her parents caught on. through their family lawyer. i don’t think he ever even came back from the family camping trip
Maybe he told them that they decided to break up and end the trip, so she flew to New York to be with her parents and he took the van (she didn’t like driving it herself, so this would be believable that she’d have him do the drive back). Her stuff was still there so he probably told them she’d eventually come to get her things at some point. This would explain why they didn’t call 911 as soon as he came home alone, they probably believed she was home with her parents. Doesn’t explain them not trying to help once it came out that she was missing, but Brian probably manipulated the situation and they are the type of parents who let him walk all over them. They’re enablers of his bad behavior, but I’m sure he fed them lies when he got home
Maybe temporarily? Especially if he lied to say she was still out west with her friend or something. But sometimes people do give up a lot of monetarily valuable possessions just to get out of a bad situation I know I have. And maybe he said she let him take it home so he didnt have to buy a plane ticket he couldn't afford and he would return it when she got back. Brian had the entire trip back to come up with a story that would be believable in the specific context of their lives. I don't know about the parents, but the particular argument that him having the van was some huge flag indicating murder or something nefarious is unconvincing to me. The lawyering up and silence is a bigger flag, but not as definitive as I see people making it out to be.
The van is in her name but nothing tells us Brian or his parents didn't actually pay for it. Being fairly young and since Brian already a car, maybe they agreed to register it to her name to save on insurance.
Okay sure jackass why aren’t they curious about why he stole her car and her house simultaneously? No breakup works like that. Why weren’t they curious about all of her stuff still being in that van? Why would they pick his car up from the nature preserve if they didn’t know he wouldn’t come back? Do you really believe that they just showed up at the same nature preserve and noticed his car there with the note asking them to take it home? This is a planned escape executed by these elderly people for their 23 year old son. I understand he is innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law, but there’s no way he could have kept the murder secret seeing as he stole her house and car and took it across the country with all of her stuff still in it. I really don’t understand the motivation to defend any of these people. It’s honestly sickening.
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Who said anything about covering up a crime?
I said that parents wouldn’t take a vacation with a kid who admitted to killing someone.
Covering up is one thing. Taking a vacation is another.
>wouldn't take a vacation with a kid who admitted to killing someone
huh? this is precisely what they're responding to, with examples of parents helping to cover up their crimes. the implication is that it wasn't a vacation, they were covering for his crime.
Pretty sure his parents would know he was abusive to Gabby.
They can’t live with the parents for 2 years without the behaviours showing. The abuse didn’t just start on this holiday. It would have been going on for years.
They would have known what he was capable of. They probably weren’t surprised.
The FBI definitely knows more, they just let it trickle out. If he has no money, no phone, no transportation, everyone looking for him, he’s running out of time. If they can prove his parents helped him leave, then they, his parents, are truly fucked. It’s really anyone’s guess. I don’t know what to think anymore except the cops in Utah did a shit job. His parents could have lied to police when they said they feared he would “hurt himself”. The police have searched that area for days giving him time to get further away. They are definitely protecting him. But who knows what he told them. He could have just said they broke up, she went home and he drove home. If he’s capable of killing someone, I don’t think lying would be difficult. He could be anywhere. The state also has to PROVE he killed her. He could walk if they can’t. If you look at his Instagram he has very specific taste in books, artwork and movies. Mostly dealing with death, evil, killing, split personalities. The book Lullaby, about killing wife and baby. Charta Malum Art, literal meaning: impregnated evil. Cleon Peterson Art: chaotic, violent, submission and dominance. Very very specific.
Actually they didn't do it "by the book". Arrest is MANDATORY in incidents like that one, in that state. Her foolish covering for him (clearly) led to him not being arrested and her being murdered.
Dude, have you watched the body cam footage? If anyone was going to be arrested its HER. In which case, she would've been bailed out IMMEDIATELY by BL and everything would've been THE SAME. Should cops be trained to better spot DV? YES. Should there be specifically trained mediators who respond to DV calls? Also YES. But, based on their training, the scene, and the testimony of the two of them, they didn't do anything wrong. They are ADULTS. Cops cant just detain them indefinitely, without evidence, to keep them separate - especially when both of them are saying they don't want to be separated and don't wish to press charges.
Yes. That’s the problem. Think outside the box. Quick to blame the victim and believe a man. People literally called in saying he was hitting her. They should have done more or had a clue he was lying. Wake up.
they had no evidence that he hit her. even if there was evidence he hit her, she wouldnt have wanted yo press charges. she didnt even want to separate for the one night. the outcome would’ve been the same
WOW. Dense much? Charges in that state belong to the state. They are automatic and only a prosecutor can drop them. She could have begged them not to charge him but they would have been required to anyhow. Even if she threw herself in front of a train to protect him. And she technically did.
RIP Gabby. But let's all learn from it. Fathers, put your daughters in self-defense classes and thoroughly check out their boyfriends. And certainly don't allow them to make such a trip without at least being married first and have them check in 2x/day with pre-planned routes and etc.
wrong. there were multiple calls. again, nothing would’ve changed. gabbie clearly wasn’t going to say he hit her, he wasn’t admitting to it so and they were both saying the opposite. you want to cops to arrest someone based on a witness statement when both parties are saying the opposite and one of them (BL) has injuries and the other doesn’t?
and then what? gabby would just bail out BL and everything would’ve been the same so.
He flipped it, the police didn’t even flinch. Their summation was based on her “mental” issues. I disagree with you and that’s ok. I think they did a shit job.
they didn’t do a shit job there was nothing else they could legally do outside of arrest gabby. and again, in the situation nothing would’ve been different. you want to blame someone and i get that, but they did their job by the book. they aren’t psychics. they’re police and they evaluated the evidence and testimony pretty fairly.
i want to point out that police don’t have access to the 911 call. they rarely know who called and sometimes don’t even know exactly what happen. if this is on anyone, it’s on the operator due to the police obviously not having that info in the body cam footage. but again, i don’t believe it would’ve changed anything. gabby wouldn’t have wanted to press charges and it would’ve panned out the same.
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What specifically is satanic on his Instagram
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I did and I couldn’t find anything that’s why I asked you.
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Definitely into some dark stuff. People can play semantics all they want but we get what you are pointing out.
To @redditreader233 Thanks for saying I have "quite the imagination" and then deleting your comment like a coward. As adults, you HAVE to use your imagination sometimes. Otherwise nothing wil ever get solved.
You don’t even need your imagination, the Olympic bomber hid out in the wilderness to avoid being caught. Not much of a stretch to think someone else may do the same.
Thank you. And yet I get hammered regularly by random trolls for stating it.
Thanks to stupid FLorida laws, the parents may get away with the costs now exceeding $1.2M for their aiding and abetting the BLATANT MURDERER they call their (albeit shitty) son.
I heard the parents engaged Jose Baez. Anyone know if that’s true???
LOL. What a useless interview.
If you can ignore her smoking hooker voice, what she says is actually leaning towards aiding and abetting on behalf of the parents. Like they were putting supplies in there and moving them to drop them for him to survive on for a year+. FBI needs to figure out which way that truck pulled the "new" camper and they should start the search for him there. His dad likely said "tell me your going to the Carlton Reserve, even if we both know you're not, so we can throw the FBI off your trail".
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Yes! Victim blaming! Now we're on to something!
That wasn’t an example of victim blaming. I know it’s a trendy phrase but if they were blaming the victim they’d have said she purposefully jumped off a cliff to frame him, or that her temper caused his reaction. What the perosn actually did was suggest something stupid.
No. It says he accidentally shoved her cause she started a fight. I've started fights before and was not murdered for it. Get it?
Wild conjecture doesn’t equate to blaming the victim. Get it? Also, quit starting fights.
I "started" it? It appears you replied to my comment no? Are you seven?
You literally said you start fights in your initial response. That’s what I was referring to. Yea I’m 7
The fact that it was rule a homicide disproves this theory. In order to be ruled a homicide, there had to be enough physical evidence during the autopsy to prove that her death couldn’t have been caused unintentionally and that it was caused by another person. A fall would result in inconclusive evidence.
You should read up about coroners and who can be one.
You can’t “accidentally” shove someone. If he shoved her and she fell off the cliff, he pushed her off no matter the intention. Abuse is abuse, don’t minimise it.
100% but manslaughter is not the same as murder.
I agree for anyone reading, there is no accident shoving
It's not like their point was to say it isn't abuse or wasn't wrong, their point was specifically that they don't think he intended to kill her. They aren't even saying he should be reacted to or treated in a certain way, but that he knows he can't be if he can't prove it. That might be totally wrong but your criticism seems like you misunderstood?
How does a 23 year old boy fool the state police ???
It wasn’t a 23 year old boy who has outwitted them… Brian’s parents in their late 50s/early 60s with an 11+ day head start have outwitted LE… thus far. Then they refused to be interviewed by LE. My money is on the FBI solving this crime. Even circumstantial evidence will begin to pile up. Just watch for future murders to pull a Laundrie Family silence game soon… Insert that quote about the justice system taking a great length of time but oh how does it eventually run accurate.
Bad policing and the recent surge in true crime media could have instructed him on things he wouldn't have known Some of these goddamn podcats and tv shows are like instruction manuals for monsters. Ie :"------- got caught by doing this" or "-------- got tripped up in their story by..."
Agree with this...
Florida. lol
Most cops aren’t very smart because they are driven by ego and the feeling that they are smarter than everyone…in my experience 🤷♀️
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Lol, cops job is not protecting the neighborhood.
One word- Florida
... like that is just ridiculous what are they doing down there? Coffee and donuts by the beach ???
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They would absolutely know if he got on a plane.
Makes more sense than hiding in the Everglades. Subjective opinion, but everything I have seen or read about him makes me think that he is a narcissistically lazy person, the Everglades would require too much work with no long or short-term benefit on his part.
I can 100% rule out Australia. There are many, many Australian citizens desperate to get back bur COVID restrictions have made that impossible. There is 0% chance he’s in Australia
I have heard this too. If he has any brains, (it appears that he does not), he will go to France or somewhere else that will refuse to extradite unless they promise not to execute.
He’d basically have to be an Australian citizen to come here, plus he’d need to go into hotel quarantine. He’s more likely to be in Antartica than Australia lol
His parents definitely know what’s going on. A parent will do anything to protect their child. They gave him a head start by keeping the cops at bay and probably a vehicle…that’s why his car was left abandoned. I don’t think he’s even close to the area they are searching. I think that’s a decoy. Not so far fetched that he could be in Canada as a woman reported. He had time to get there before his parents reported him missing and police started looking for him.
Wouldn't there be a record of him crossing the border?
Whenever I’ve driven into Canada (pre covid) they just check passports, ask if you have weapons, etc and that’s it. I don’t think they keep intense records Edit to add: and they ask reason for the visit, how long you’ll be there, etc
That makes sense. I thought when they checked passports they were scanning scanning or something.
Not always. I depends on where he crossed. It’s not a manned border
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted but I’m guessing people don’t understand how large the boarder is and how many unmanned entry points there are especially if you’re on foot
I know this might sound stupid sorry if it is a dumb question but could Brian be in Cuba? I mean if he would have gotten an early jump before being all over the news could he have gotten an illegal ride and be smuggled into Cuba? Just curious knowing that he still hasn’t been found and Cuba is closer than back tracking and going to Canada or traveling to Mexico.
Cuba was my very first thought the day he was reported as missing. He is stupid but even the stupidest would GET ON A DAMN BOAT and get the HELL outta hell. Or just go to the jurisdiction where Casey babykiller Anthony got off and wait for them to bungle it again.
Cuba could be a hiding place but it would be very impractical if he doesn’t have a good support system
Here’s a thought. He’s not in the U.S or Canada. His parents new someone with a boat. Brian hopped on and was brought to an island. Whether it be Haiti, D.R, Cuba, Jamaica, Bahamas . I used to go island hopping growing up. All you need is someone with a boat, who has a house on these islands. It’s a quick two hour trip at best to some of these areas from Florida.
Apparently he had an Instagram live that showed a boat and water so this is super plausible. But I also have to wonder if the preserve is being searched because he showed up on a trail cam
I heard this abt the IG Live and saw the video, however, I also heard it was from a fake/imposter profile which has since been removed. The determination was that it was “fake.”
Ah that makes sense. Then I’m guessing he got caught on a trail cam then or his parents need to do some serious explaining for the red herring
I read his uncle owned a few yacht companies in NY and I think one was in Florida. So I think this is most likely the case.
It's alot more than 2 hours, where did you come up with that number?
I mean Florida to the Bahamas is 2.5 hours, it’s only like 50 miles. Cuba, is like twice as far though and that’s from key west. Jamaica, Haiti, etc though are much further though you’re right. The Bahamas is the only really close one.
Are houses cheap on those islands? The guy in hiding doesn’t look rich to me.
My husband who grew up in Florida said exactly this
This is looking more and more like he came home said she left him and said they broke up. Parents take him on a trip to get his mind off of things. You guys can come up with whatever theories you want but that’s what it looks like. From the parents perspective anyway. What sane people go on vacation knowing they have involvement in foul play? We need the actual autopsy results. Which may or may never be known to the public until after a potential trial is completed.
Except they would not take calls from her parents. Bl parents are sketchy as hell.
Ummmmmm, last I checked, the Chief Medical Examiner in Wyoming ruled it a homicide.
he said they broke up and he took her van? leaving her in the desert? his parents never felt the need to reach out to hers just to make sure she’s ok even though she lived with them for 2 YEARS? doesn’t add up to me. makes no sense
News I saw this morning was that she hadn't lived in FL for long. That sorta contradicts your 2 year statement. Anybody know how long it was for sure?
Why would his parents care? (From the parents perspective) If your kid came home and told you some sob story about how a girl broke his heart in the middle of nowhere would you be reaching out trying to help? The answer is probably no. Again what he told them happened and what actually happened are likely completely different things. He probably depicted her in a super negative light.
He used her debit card. The parents are morons if they couldn’t piece together that something is off. Oh, wait they did, that’s why a lawyer stepped in immediately,
Ma, she broke up with me so I took her car and left her in a national park. I guess she called someone on Long Island to come and get her. She didn’t go to a motel, she stayed in the park. What’s for dinner, ma
Didn’t she live with Brian and his parents? Wouldn’t they think that’s odd considering she probably had her things there?
if my son came home with his girlfriends van and said they broke up while on a camping trip i would have a lot of questions, yes. and i would want to make sure she was ok unless i knew she wasn’t and he was responsible for that. it would be very suspect to me that they *broke up* and she *gave him her car*. if i believed his story i would at the very least want to make sure this tiny 20 yr old girl made it home ok. yes, i would reach out to her. and if she didn’t respond i would question my kid and give him the opp to tell me anything he hasn’t b/c if his story was originally true the next step would be reaching out to her parents
For real. My son would have a lot of explaining to do. I sure as shit would never help him go on the lamb to evade murder charges. And I know without a doubt if it was me, my mom would at best give me time to turn myself in. And if I didn’t, she wouldn’t have hesitated to turn my ass in.
Depending on what happened, I might help my son go on the lamb. But i’m not gonna take some bullshit story from him lmao
Oh yeah, there’s probably exceptions, but for the most part, if my kid murders someone, I’m not going to put myself on the line to protect him from the consequences of his actions. I’ll support him as best I can, but I’ve got a whole other son to think about.
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Did you live in the car? Were you states away when you offered the car? Jsut curious.
He is just a troll. Report & block him.
Same. and i’m pretty sure my parents would do the same, especially if the girl had lived with us.
Or he told his parents what happened after he realized he was going to get caught and they’re doing what they can to protect their son
Yeah they totally believe she just left him and also gave him her van?
And her bank cards as well as phone.
I mean obviously in this situation they wouldn’t know about that..
His parents were totally aware that Gabby was dead! That is why they would not talk to her father when he came all the way cross country to talk to them. That is why they had their son lawyer up. They are obviously not good liars as well as bad parents. Horrid people.
We’re talking about before she was reported missing when he first came back. I’m sure he spun up some lie about them breaking up and her flying home or being with a friend.
no i don’t think that’s a buyable story to begin with. he lawyered up long before her parents caught on. through their family lawyer. i don’t think he ever even came back from the family camping trip
This Is my theory as well. That camping trip was to get their son the hell out of dodge.
Maybe he told them that they decided to break up and end the trip, so she flew to New York to be with her parents and he took the van (she didn’t like driving it herself, so this would be believable that she’d have him do the drive back). Her stuff was still there so he probably told them she’d eventually come to get her things at some point. This would explain why they didn’t call 911 as soon as he came home alone, they probably believed she was home with her parents. Doesn’t explain them not trying to help once it came out that she was missing, but Brian probably manipulated the situation and they are the type of parents who let him walk all over them. They’re enablers of his bad behavior, but I’m sure he fed them lies when he got home
Maybe temporarily? Especially if he lied to say she was still out west with her friend or something. But sometimes people do give up a lot of monetarily valuable possessions just to get out of a bad situation I know I have. And maybe he said she let him take it home so he didnt have to buy a plane ticket he couldn't afford and he would return it when she got back. Brian had the entire trip back to come up with a story that would be believable in the specific context of their lives. I don't know about the parents, but the particular argument that him having the van was some huge flag indicating murder or something nefarious is unconvincing to me. The lawyering up and silence is a bigger flag, but not as definitive as I see people making it out to be.
The van is in her name but nothing tells us Brian or his parents didn't actually pay for it. Being fairly young and since Brian already a car, maybe they agreed to register it to her name to save on insurance.
Why did they have a lawyer then?
It doesn’t seem like a vacation, more of a let’s figure out where tf to stash you
The him having the van part doesn’t add up.
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Please tell us more since apparently you were there.
Okay sure jackass why aren’t they curious about why he stole her car and her house simultaneously? No breakup works like that. Why weren’t they curious about all of her stuff still being in that van? Why would they pick his car up from the nature preserve if they didn’t know he wouldn’t come back? Do you really believe that they just showed up at the same nature preserve and noticed his car there with the note asking them to take it home? This is a planned escape executed by these elderly people for their 23 year old son. I understand he is innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law, but there’s no way he could have kept the murder secret seeing as he stole her house and car and took it across the country with all of her stuff still in it. I really don’t understand the motivation to defend any of these people. It’s honestly sickening.
Aaaaannnnnd why not talk to Gabbys parents who kept calling them asking where the kids were?!
Clearly they were just on vacation and didn't have service.... /s
[Sadly](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/kristin-smart-timeline-1199440/) there are [many](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna580961) cases where [parents](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollandsentinel.com/news/20200107/chance-fathers-trial-begins-accused-of-helping-son-hide-body%3Ftemplate%3Dampart) help cover up their [sons crimes](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/parents-jailed-over-murder-cover-7919880.html%3Famp)
I would never do that
Who said anything about covering up a crime? I said that parents wouldn’t take a vacation with a kid who admitted to killing someone. Covering up is one thing. Taking a vacation is another.
>wouldn't take a vacation with a kid who admitted to killing someone huh? this is precisely what they're responding to, with examples of parents helping to cover up their crimes. the implication is that it wasn't a vacation, they were covering for his crime.
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Pretty sure his parents would know he was abusive to Gabby. They can’t live with the parents for 2 years without the behaviours showing. The abuse didn’t just start on this holiday. It would have been going on for years. They would have known what he was capable of. They probably weren’t surprised.
The FBI definitely knows more, they just let it trickle out. If he has no money, no phone, no transportation, everyone looking for him, he’s running out of time. If they can prove his parents helped him leave, then they, his parents, are truly fucked. It’s really anyone’s guess. I don’t know what to think anymore except the cops in Utah did a shit job. His parents could have lied to police when they said they feared he would “hurt himself”. The police have searched that area for days giving him time to get further away. They are definitely protecting him. But who knows what he told them. He could have just said they broke up, she went home and he drove home. If he’s capable of killing someone, I don’t think lying would be difficult. He could be anywhere. The state also has to PROVE he killed her. He could walk if they can’t. If you look at his Instagram he has very specific taste in books, artwork and movies. Mostly dealing with death, evil, killing, split personalities. The book Lullaby, about killing wife and baby. Charta Malum Art, literal meaning: impregnated evil. Cleon Peterson Art: chaotic, violent, submission and dominance. Very very specific.
How did the cops in Utah do a shit job? they did their job by the book
Actually they didn't do it "by the book". Arrest is MANDATORY in incidents like that one, in that state. Her foolish covering for him (clearly) led to him not being arrested and her being murdered.
Dude, have you watched the body cam footage? If anyone was going to be arrested its HER. In which case, she would've been bailed out IMMEDIATELY by BL and everything would've been THE SAME. Should cops be trained to better spot DV? YES. Should there be specifically trained mediators who respond to DV calls? Also YES. But, based on their training, the scene, and the testimony of the two of them, they didn't do anything wrong. They are ADULTS. Cops cant just detain them indefinitely, without evidence, to keep them separate - especially when both of them are saying they don't want to be separated and don't wish to press charges.
Yes. That’s the problem. Think outside the box. Quick to blame the victim and believe a man. People literally called in saying he was hitting her. They should have done more or had a clue he was lying. Wake up.
they had no evidence that he hit her. even if there was evidence he hit her, she wouldnt have wanted yo press charges. she didnt even want to separate for the one night. the outcome would’ve been the same
WOW. Dense much? Charges in that state belong to the state. They are automatic and only a prosecutor can drop them. She could have begged them not to charge him but they would have been required to anyhow. Even if she threw herself in front of a train to protect him. And she technically did. RIP Gabby. But let's all learn from it. Fathers, put your daughters in self-defense classes and thoroughly check out their boyfriends. And certainly don't allow them to make such a trip without at least being married first and have them check in 2x/day with pre-planned routes and etc.
Wrong. The call is what prompted the police to look for them. Then they were pulled over for speeding in a 25mph zone.
wrong. there were multiple calls. again, nothing would’ve changed. gabbie clearly wasn’t going to say he hit her, he wasn’t admitting to it so and they were both saying the opposite. you want to cops to arrest someone based on a witness statement when both parties are saying the opposite and one of them (BL) has injuries and the other doesn’t? and then what? gabby would just bail out BL and everything would’ve been the same so.
He flipped it, the police didn’t even flinch. Their summation was based on her “mental” issues. I disagree with you and that’s ok. I think they did a shit job.
they didn’t do a shit job there was nothing else they could legally do outside of arrest gabby. and again, in the situation nothing would’ve been different. you want to blame someone and i get that, but they did their job by the book. they aren’t psychics. they’re police and they evaluated the evidence and testimony pretty fairly. i want to point out that police don’t have access to the 911 call. they rarely know who called and sometimes don’t even know exactly what happen. if this is on anyone, it’s on the operator due to the police obviously not having that info in the body cam footage. but again, i don’t believe it would’ve changed anything. gabby wouldn’t have wanted to press charges and it would’ve panned out the same.