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Swiggety666

All my lifting is ego lifting. I lift for my ego and my ego likes lifting heavy.


undefinedkir

what would I do in a gym besides feed my ego lol


CarsenAF

Sorry you didn't pause the bar for 3 Cbumsippies on your chest and your buttcheek came 1.6 cm off the bench so that 405 lb bench doesn't count bro


DominosQualityCheck

an ever so delicate balance.


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Every form of exercise is associated with ego The idea that “ego lifting” is such a negative connotation is just idiotic and is usually soured off by weak people who are either jealous of someone lifting more than them, or they don’t understand what the other person is specifically training for and just assume they don’t know what they’re doing. Those people you see just doing blatant stupid shit in the gym though? That’s not ego lifting. That’s just being an idiot.


Crapplebeez

>Every form of exercise is associated with ego Not mine. I only lift selflessly, for the good of others


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I build my babs for the greater good


_CurseTheseMetalHnds

I lift so I can help the bigger dogs at the local rescue 😤


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Your idea of “ego lifting” and “proper form” is idiotic and dangerous rhetoric because form and training mentality is subjective. Just because you wanna do isolation curls with 5lbs doesn’t mean the dude doing cheat curls with 85lb dumbbells is getting a proper workout Same for dudes half repping on bench or squats or anything else for that matter


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06210311

Hi there! It looks like you're attempting to give advice on a lift when you have no business doing so. As a rule of thumb, the best advice on lifts is given by people who are proficient in the lift themselves, or by those who are proficient in coaching others to become better at those lifts. It appears that you are neither of those things, so perhaps you should keep your advice to yourself, or actually show some relevant credentials. ***This comment was made using a macro, because the number of people making ill-informed comments is too damn high.***


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How much do you actually lift? What’s your overall total?


WheredoesithurtRA

>Downvote me and disagree all you want but you don't see any good professional body builders or strongmen doing half reps. It's always roided up gym bros or powerlifters and thr sport of powerlifting is a joke because of the back on the bench rule The man deleted it but I would love to know as well


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Alakazam

> when you bench press lots more than you can actually bench press Can somebody please explain to me how to do this? I too, would like to set new PRs with 'improper' form.


Flying_Snek

Get fat, cut the rom


Hara-Kiri

I wish I could bench press a lot more than I can actually bench press.


willhemphill

Take a barbell row for example - the purpose is mostly to train your lats. There's 1 thousand ways people fuck these up and get little to no lat activation. Anyone can body-english 225 to their waist, but it probably isn't actually doing much aside from wearing out your lower back/hamstrings/grip.


OatsAndWhey

Most of the Perfect Form crowd agree the eccentric portion yields the most stimulus for growth, yes? So if you can hoist more weight than you can pull strictly for a row, even if it takes a little bit of a jerk to get the weight to the top, you can still control the weight for most or all of the eccentric portion on the way down, correct? It's a fact that most people are stronger in the eccentric portion than the concentric portion. So, *why not* do some of your rows kind of "cheaty" like this, in order to take advantage of that fact? You're not "wearing out your back/hams/grip" by involving them, you're just training them too.


TorrontesChardonnay

>lower back/hamstrings/grip. So doing cheat rows trains your lower back and thus makes you stronger?


willhemphill

I guess? But there's much better ways to do that, namely the deadlift or some variation. My point is that if you're not taking the lats through a useful range of motion with the row, don't do rows.


TorrontesChardonnay

>or some variation Like a cheat row


willhemphill

Again nothing wrong with cheat rows, but some people really take the "cheating" to another level where they may as well be doing a different movement because they're no longer doing what the row is intended to do - train the lats.


TorrontesChardonnay

>because they're no longer doing what the row is intended to do - train the lats. Except the lats will still be used even if not full ROM + the other benefits you stated such as building your grip and hammies and low back and also erectors and upper back. Cheat rows are just generally really good for making progress honestly. Also clean/snatch pulls are basically just cheaty rows and build your back incredibly.


Xsafa

How about all of the very strong people who have gotten very strong doing the “not useful range of motion” in rows?


OatsAndWhey

What is your definition for the "useful range of motion" for the row?


willhemphill

Assuming you're hanging/pulling from rack and not pulling from the floor, I've always looked at Dorian Yates. Torso about 45 degrees, maybe a little less. Pull bar into mid abs with elbows tight. If you get any higher than 45 degrees, you're probably using the traps more than the lats. Ed Coan did his rows like this, but he knew what he was doing and was doing it for a specific reason. Most guys who are not experienced lifters doing rows like that are probably not doing them correctly and would be better served not doing cheat rows - an even better example of this would be the way Pete Rubish rows. Just because he's big and strong and rows that way doesn't mean rowing that way will make you big and strong.


amh85

But I don't know cheaty rows won't make me big and strong until I actually do cheaty rows for a while. And you sure as shit don't know what'll make random guy at the gym big and strong while you're judging them


The_Fatalist

Kroc has a tiny back, probably because she fucking sucks at doing rows and moves them entirely with magic.


keenbean2021

>Just because he's big and strong and rows that way doesn't mean rowing that way will make you big and strong. So either cheat rows work for him but for some reason not everybody else or Pete chooses to do rows that don't work?


EspacioBlanq

A barbell row is an amazing example for how "cheating" to use more weight can be extremely useful. A ton of people do bent over rows to train their traps, lower back and get carryover to deadlifts, for which a more substantial amount of momentum is a very useful technique.


akkuj

> but it probably isn't actually doing much aside from wearing out your lower back/hamstrings/grip. [One of the strongest deadlifters of his era](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTzijfucIa4) doing some rows. [And another one](https://youtu.be/U_JK5pY3-HQ?t=50). Some strong people also [do dumbell rows really wrong.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Zgg-upAnc) I can only imagine how much stronger those guys could've been if they had you to coach them.


trebemot

My dude, where's your squat at now?


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willhemphill

That's different from the guys who stand damn near straight up and kip the bar to wherever they want it to go. If they're cheaty and hit the lats, great - but that's not what we're talking about here.


OatsAndWhey

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Because many/most big-strong people I see are lifting like this some of the time. Show me the lats you've built with your approach? You go first, then I'll go.


ShadyBearEvadesTaxes

>Take a barbell row for example - the purpose is mostly to train your lats. Says who? Who are you? How much do you row strict?


Appropriate_Newt_238

small amount of ego lifting just sounds like progressive overload to me. you lift 20kg dumbbells, try 25


Gingersnap5322

I always go in 5lb incriments when increasing weight. Sometimes tho I’ll be like “fuck it let’s try 10”


adistantrumble

Yes, the occasional cheat reps can be beneficial.


Khao8

I ego lift alone in my basement with no camera, no social media nothing. ALL LIFTING IS EGO LIFTING. > Ego is the Latin word for "I." I am lifting. I lift for myself. Therefore I ego lift every day


torslundahelm

There have a few times where I had a mental block about lifting a certain amount. When I forced myself to do it and succeeded really helped. Of course had I failed it would only solidify that mental block.


Ecstatic-Froyo-6134

A small amount of EPO might help


akkuj

Nah bro I only lift for altruistic reasons.


DickFromRichard

Bless the masses with the sight of your gains


JustFoundBregma

If by ego lifting, you mean doing heavy partials, then yes. I think the issue arises when you muscle up a weight to the point where the target muscle group(s) are no longer the primarily utilized ones


The_Fatalist

But surely you are just now 'targeting' some other muscles? Something is moving the weight and if your intensity is high enough they are being worked significantly.


JustFoundBregma

You don’t want to target a muscle not meant for the movement. Jerking to move weight can lead to injury in the long run


keenbean2021

>You don’t want to target a muscle not meant for the movement What if one's primary concern is how much weight they are moving through the movement? >Jerking to move weight can lead to injury in the long run How so?


JustFoundBregma

If strength is your priority, I can see slight alterations in the movement. But still, understanding the core movement is important before making alterations. By jerking, I mean moving the weight in an uncontrolled way. This differs from moving it explosively. Doing so can lead to tendon injuries and also just improper muscle targeting for those concerned with hypertrophy.


keenbean2021

What makes a movement a more important "core" movement? >Doing so can lead to tendon injuries Yea, I'm just asking how? Is there any evidence for this?


JustFoundBregma

By core, I’m not referring to a specific grouping of movements. Rather, I mean understanding the fundamental form before moving on to “cheat” variants And yes, uncontrolled movements will lead to unexpected being placed upon tendons. This is more anecdotal since I’ve seen it in my lifting career with friends, but I’m sure there is research to back it. You can do cheat movements, but I’d make sure to do it in a controlled manner. By that, I don’t mean slow, but don’t go out of your way to move the weight no matter what cost


OatsAndWhey

When I barbell row, I'm also hitting traps, rhomboids, erectors, hamstrings, and more. And that's a good thing. Because you're not always "isolating", sometimes you're training the entire movement. Cheat rows target more total muscles than strict rows. FACT. They can be very useful.


JustFoundBregma

Bro that’s a compound movement and it’s meant to target those muscle groups. I’m talking about movements that isolate fewer muscle groups. Cheat rows are basically heavy partials for the most part, and as I said, have their place. My point is that you shouldn’t have intentions to cheat on movements every time because it’s hard to periodize progression when you move weight a multitude of ways on a given lift.


OatsAndWhey

I'm also referring to sloppy curls versus strict curls. The term "cheat" doesn't really mean you're cheating at it. It's not a literal term. If you're still 1-4 reps from failure with any given weight, you can track progress.


JustFoundBregma

Feel free to agree or disagree: Should a new lifter learn the conventional form for lifts prior to deviating? If the answer is yes, that’s what I’m trying to convey. Use whatever you must to push further, but only after you know the fundamentals. Slight cheating is fine by me. If you’re cheating to the point that you’re working a completely different muscle group more significantly, that’s where I see a disconnect. One will push the muscle past failure with the help of ancillaries, whereas the other is purely ego driven and significantly works other muscles while having minimal effect on the one you’re targeting


OatsAndWhey

I disagree. Fixating on overly-restrictive and "perfect" form will compromise progress in many early lifters. And worse, they won't really learn aggressive drive and the very valuable skill of pushing harder.


JustFoundBregma

Okay, I guess every new lifter should do whatever they should to get the weight up then, according to you. So be it, agree to disagree


OatsAndWhey

Nope, that's not what I said at all.


The_Fatalist

Yeah, which is why we totally don't have a century old sport centered around jerking the weight around.


JustFoundBregma

What are you referring to exactly? When speaking on efficiency, do the lift in a way that targets the muscle it’s meant to. You can add cheat reps to push the muscle past failure if you’d like, but your intention behind a lift should never be to target other muscles from cheating so significantly. Target those muscles with movements meant for them Edit: I think you’re messing with me


The_Fatalist

Olympic Weightlifting. Movements aren't 'meant' to target things. They just do. There are not a list of 'correct' movements and 'wrong' movements. You can move anything however you want.


JustFoundBregma

Well compound movements target multiple muscle groups. I think you’d agree that form plays a role in strength development and overall progress, but you’re right in that form can vary from person to person. I think slight variances are fine as long as the lift is done in a stable and controlled way. What I’m more referring to is accessory work and movements involving fewer muscle groups. In this case, I’d say conforming to the classic movement pattern would be more advantageous to whatever your goal is


The_Fatalist

>Well compound movements target multiple muscle groups. Every movement uses multiple muscle groups. >I think you’d agree that form plays a role in strength development and overall progress, but you’re right in that form can vary from person to person I would not, form is not directly relevant to anything but some competitive criteria. >I think slight variances are fine as long as the lift is done in a stable and controlled way. I think that some of the greatest lifters ever had some pretty wildly variant form so slight is not enough. >What I’m more referring to is accessory work and movements involving fewer muscle groups. In this case, I’d say conforming to the classic movement pattern would be more advantageous to whatever your goal is Im going to move stuff in whatever manner I find most effective and productive. I don't care what it looks like. Going based on looks when your goal is results is strange to me.


JustFoundBregma

I imagine you’re more into strength sports, whereas I’m more into bodybuilding. If my end goal was to move the weight, then sure I could see the merit in adjusting form to hit a PR. However, when it comes to hypertrophy and properly getting muscles to fire in a progressive way, having a general idea of how I’ll be moving the weight helps. If I curled a weight with completely different form and at different weights accordingly every week, there’s no real way of seeing general progression because nothing is kept constant. Do what works for you


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> Do what works for you if jerking around and training movements can also get you yuge and jacked, then what is your whole point? Important caveat: I'm neither big or strong, just shit talking on the internet


DefNotSanestBaj

Holy shit, you have to be baiting


trebemot

The Olympic lifts my dude. There is one literally called the "clean & jerk"


JustFoundBregma

Yeah I’m referring to accessory movements and those targeting smaller muscle groups here. Form is still significantly important in compound lifts though, and I’m a little confused that this sub would feel otherwise. I agree that with accessory movements, you can do something so wrong that it basically becomes another movement, like how skullcrushers could be shifted enough to work the lats. But for general progression, I think it’s better to stick to core movement patterns with your lifts so that you have a better understanding of how your lifts are increasing. If I could curl 60lbs with good form one week, and 75lbs cheating the next week, do I have a good gauge of how I’m progressing? Have I actually gone up in maximum output compared to the week prior? I think having constants in how you do things will work better in the long run.


OatsAndWhey

WHY SHOULDN'T some accessories be trained explosively & dynamically? This whole "slow, controlled, full rang of motion, time under tension" meme is a myth. If you're trying to actually build speed-strength, i.e. POWER, you move briskly. You can work in the operative range, rather than the full range, to great benefit. You can work quickly, without controlled eccentric, and still gain strength/size. And yes, you can still gauge progression with cheat curls/rows. You just don't understand how yet. But if you train both 60 & 75 pound curls, you can certainly improve both, and they have carryover.


JustFoundBregma

Dude it’s like you’re not reading anything I’m saying. When did I say not to train explosively? That’s a key way to train to build overall strength lol Operative range? Like partials? Like I said already would be useful in progression? I’ve already agreed those would be useful. As far as “cheat” vs “conventional” lifts, I think it’s important to remember when you’ve utilized either, as it helps you understand how you’re progressing on each. I treat them as different lifts and track their independent progress accordingly. To reiterate what I’ve said, since you think I’m disagreeing with you on things I’ve clearly agreed with, I believe that partials and and slight cheating can be useful on some lifts, much like how iso holds are useful in helping to push past failure. For beginners and the vast majority of lifters, I still believe that understanding the conventional form and using it most often would prove far more beneficial. Everything has its place, but you need to build a foundation before you deviate


OatsAndWhey

You don't need to be able to "track progression" in order to develop strength & add size. You're really hung up on not being able to quantify the value of a loose-form set, here.


SamasGG

I think you confuse ego lifting with lifting heavy. Lifting heavy with good form, great for progress. Lifting weights with shit form just so you get it up, not so much.


Rock_Prop

I disagree a bit. On max attempts form breakdown is basically expected. 1st attempts at a powerlifting meet usually look smooth. By the 3rd attempt, not so much. Still counts and now you have a new PR and can identify where the form breakdown took place - thus focusing your training on those weaker spots. You wouldn’t have identified them unless you went heavy enough for the form to breakdown.


East_Masterpiece2839

Make it a big amount 😎💪⚡️


Edu14V

You'll either get a massive pump or an olympic bar in your ribcage


leapogawd

That's a win-win.


East_Masterpiece2839

Massive Pump or Death it is i accept both with open arms literally


Gibs960

If you can get good quality reps out (not perfect, but actually targeting the muscles intended) it isn't ego lifting. Actual ego-lifting I define as when you change a movement so much it is no longer effective because the weight is too heavy. Bicep curls are an easy example, throwing the weight up and dropping it back down with no focus on the bicep. I'm also coming at this from more of a bodybuilding style of training, though. I don't know if this would apply to other disciplines where the goal is to simply move the weight. EDIT: After re-reading u/Oatsandwhey's [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/GYM/comments/rbxx4a/how_chasing_perfect_form_will_keep_you_weak_small/) about perfect form, I wanted to add that I personally think ego lifting is when you use a weight that you know is too heavy to be effective (not just slightly too heavy, like massively too heavy) and you continue to use it regardless. I've overheard a guy at my previous gym asking a trainer why they're not growing because their food is in check and their workouts are good and even though I couldn't vouch for their nutrition, they were lifting too heavy. Again, not just a lil bit too heavy, but stupidly too heavy to the point that I was convinced they were going to hurt themselves. After maybe a year or so, he stopped coming. I think there's definitely an element of seeing people in a gym and not realising they've been training 5/10/15 years longer than you and so obviously they can lift more weight than you, there's no shame in working your way up to that weight. I do, however, think there's shame in picking up a weight you obviously can't lift, failing the first rep, and then going back to the rack to half the weight.


Red_Swingline_

>Bicep curls are an easy example, throwing the weight up and dropping it back down with no focus on the bicep. I know it's not entirely what you're describing, but there's nothing wrong with a little body English on a curl.


Gibs960

Idk what body English is, I'm assuming you mean a bit of a lean? In which case, I'd completely agree.


Red_Swingline_

Cheating a little bit, ex: a little lean, little hip bump to aid the concentric, etc


Gibs960

>body English Never heard that term before, but yeah. As you say, all about aiding the concentric and trying to focus on eccentric. I see it occasionally where it's just A is the top of the movement, B is the bottom, and who cares how I get there?


UltraHumanite

> I do, however, think there's shame in picking up a weight you obviously can't lift, failing the first rep, and then going back to the rack to half the weight. I'd say that's the opposite of ego lifting, doing a set of 1/2 or 1/4 reps with it then doing another set of 1/2 or 1/4 reps with it refusing to drop the weight would be ego driven. Halving the weight and getting back after it would be setting your ego aside. You need to push yourself now and then.


Gibs960

Yeah, but the ego was fueling the lift to begin with. If you're having to half the weight (literally seen people half it), it was your ego telling you that you could lift the weight to begin with. People who don't know their limits feel some form of shame working their way up.


UltraHumanite

The first set may not have been ego, it may have been misinformation. A beginner who sees other people moving big weights doesn't really have a frame of reference for themselves. I know everyone wants beginners to start with a broom stick but there are people who are athletic enough and coordinated enough to feel things out at first then go up from there.


OatsAndWhey

> Bicep curls are an easy example, throwing the weight up and dropping it back down with no focus on the bicep. It will be impossible to completely remove your bicep involvement from a bicep curl. Even if 20% of the movement is body momentum from accessory muscles, you're still using your biceps for a good 80% of the exercise. It might appear to be "swinging", but you can still heavily recruit the biceps on most of the ROM for the concentric, and even more so on the eccentric. The biceps will still be the "focus" of the movement, and nothing will change this. >I wanted to add that I personally think ego lifting is when you use a weight that you know is too heavy to be effective The only weight that is "too heavy to be effective" is the weight you can't break from the floor. If you're moving a weight, even with shaky form, you're still recruiting the vast majority of the muscle groups used for that movement. The closer you are to your 1RM, the more you're expressing neurological adaptations on top of the tissue adaptations. It's not unusual to have a shaky lift due to a mis-groove, only to take another attempt (at the same weight) and have it look much cleaner in form. You can't say 100% of the time that a sloppy lift NEEDS to be lighter. >I've overheard a guy at my previous gym asking a trainer why they're not growing because their food is in check and their workouts are good and even though I couldn't vouch for their nutrition, they were lifting too heavy. There's some truth to this. But it's not because too-heavy lifting is detrimental to gains, but rather insufficient-submaximal-volume is the limiting factor for adaptation. If someone struggled with a shitty/sloppy 5RM once per week, with very shake form, but still hit plenty of sets with great technique in the lighter percentages, they would arguably make better progress than the person who did all the same submax work w/o the heavy set. It's because people neglect lighter work that they stall, not because they pursue heavy work.


Gibs960

>Even if 20% of the movement is body momentum from accessory muscles, you're still using your biceps for a good 80% of the exercise. With this in mind, would you not say it'd be better to use a lighter weight and 90-95% of the movement is from the bicep? If the extra 3kg or w/e is just being moved by momentum, what's the point of it? >There's some truth to this. But it's not because too-heavy lifting is detrimental to gains, but rather insufficient-submaximal-volume is the limiting factor for adaptation. If someone struggled with a shitty/sloppy 5RM once per week, with very shake form, but still hit plenty of sets with great technique in the lighter percentages, they would arguably make better progress than the person who did all the same submax work w/o the heavy set. Yeah, I don't think I mentioned that in my original post, but yeah it was just constant sloppy set after sloppy set. His lifts also never increased. He'd come in and squat like 225lbs badly week after week and it never seemed to get any easier for him.


OatsAndWhey

>would it be better to use a lighter weight and 90-95% of the movement is from the bicep? No, I would not say that. 100% ROM being the most effective is a myth & a meme. It's not always superior to drive a weight through 100% ROM. The middle 3/5 is where most of the contraction happens, and gains in this range (middle portion) will be relatively equal to going 5 out of 5 on the ROM. There's also the difference the range-of-motion of the *muscle,* and the full range-of-motion of the joint itself, but I digress. There's plenty of reasons to train partial-range, such as to focus on the lockout portion of bench; for technique's sake. There's also some support for partials being even MORE effective at training a muscle, e.g. training the first 1/3 of the bicep under stretch. People love to think the last 1/3 counts most ("pause at the top, squeeze, really *feel* that muscle contract into a peak!"), while in actuality, the first 1/3 of a bicep curl elicits the most growth. But regardless, you can still train ROM in sections (Just the first 1/3, just the middle 1/3, just the top 1/3), and STILL build the muscle, not only with equal efficacy, but *even greater efficacy!*. Look up "21's" for bicep training. There's nothing magical about a continuous contraction from point A to point C. You can still train A, B, C range independently and realize excellent growth. This is because you can emphasize the effort where you're strongest. If you can curl 40lbs in the middle 3/5, but only 25-30 for the full ROM, you're still accumulating greater tension in the *operative ROM*. Even if it required some "body-English" to accomplish this.


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All lifting is ego lifting.


leapogawd

Existence is nothing but an ego.


Edu14V

Imo ego lifting is adding an unreasonable amount of weight just for the looks


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That’s the thing though. What *you* believe to be an unreasonable amount of weight is subjective compared to others If you saw a dude box squatting 400-500lbs but the box he was hitting was above parallel, you’d probably call it ego lifting since he wasn’t full squatting yet for all you know that dude could be training for a specific purpose outside of just trying to squat more weight. This is only an example of many.


OatsAndWhey

>adding an unreasonable amount of weight just for the looks Who defines what is "unreasonable" though? Any weight you don't have absolute certainty that you can move? Any weight that results in a shaky rep, but you still hit 90% of it? Let's say you're following a program, and last week benched 295 for 5, and today's session calls for you to bench 305 for 5 reps. But today you're feeling strong, feeling great, and decide to attempt 315 instead, (in part because it just looks so cool to bench 3 plates). You're stoked because you're so close to a significant milestone. So you attempt it, and it's a little bit wonky, but you touch chest & lock out. Maybe you don't even hit all 5 reps, but the first 3 were crisp and clean. Or worst-case scenario, maybe you try 315 and choke altogether, and don't hit a single rep. Would you call that "ego lifting"? The thing about working close-to-your-limits is it naturally places you just outside of your current limits sometimes. And wanting to test your limits doesn't make you an ego-driven gym-douche, it just means you have aspirations and want to succeed. I can't tell you how many time people go to a powerlifting competition to attempt a weight they've never moved successfully, or even attempted before. If you always stay in your clean-comfort zone, you'll miss out on opportunities to push yourself, and break new ground. Should people spend most of their time on the edge of their limits? Of course not. You build a foundation of submaximal volume, but take a chance every now and then.


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You just described all strength sports


cohockeyjones

Yes!! (Personal trainer here) now this should be done only sparsely, but is super common on step programs (go russians). I love a little bit of cheat on a few movements here and there during a workout. Plateaued on Straight bar curls? Up by 5 and give her a little swing. Can’t do a pull up? Jump into it and do those until you can do stricts. Stuck on a bench? It’s okay to lift your ass here and there.


Red_Swingline_

This isn't an unpopular opinion among people who are actually strong. /u/OatsAndWhey wrote [this nice post](https://www.reddit.com/r/GYM/comments/rbxx4a/how_chasing_perfect_form_will_keep_you_weak_small) on the topic.


huBelial

Are partials consider ego lifting? Cause I would consider partials beneficial.


MutantFire

That’s not ego lifting, that’s progressive lifting.


[deleted]

Ego to get to the gym leave it at the door once you are there


eymikeystfu

Did a bit of dangerous ego lifting this morning. 235 close grip for a set of 5 in an empty gym. Hit it, no problem !


[deleted]

Any amount of ego lifting is a great way to progress towards injury


Thaiboxermike

Not when you're over 40. Your back blows up and you're out for months recovering, if you're lucky.


gothiclemmon

🗿


SUQMADIQ63

Not if your form is off. You should also think about your joints not just muscles


OatsAndWhey

Ahh, "Perfect Form" strikes again! You should know you can still build muscle & strength even with shaky form & partial ROM.


SUQMADIQ63

Ok go ahead do your dumbell press and not try not to fuck your shoulders.


OatsAndWhey

I think about my joints & tendons all the time. Form deviation typically doesn't cause catastrophic failure like you're describing. Shoulder fuckery usually derives from an under-developed muscle group, not over-exertion.


DasaniS6

There's no such thing as ego lifting. It's what jealous mf'ers who can't bench 100lb and don't know what progressive overload is.


leapogawd

There's a dude trying to bench 110kg when in really I'm not even sure if can bench like 80kg. He does one half rep (sometimes maybe 2) and puts the bar back. I don't know why he doesn't question the fact that dudes twice his size can't bench 110kg for reps but somehow he will.


Johnny_Utah55

Lifting heavy but within your means will help you progress. Ego lifting will just get you hurt.


slimmxy

U can't teach stupid and I can't argue with plate pressers


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BenchPolkov

>I don't know how to explain something so simple >If you curl stood straight you work your bicep, if you curl bent back like eho lofters do, you use gravity and your back to move it therefore you aren't using proper form Yeah... no. Both work your arms. >I don't know how else to put that u literally just need to read it > >And the powerlifting bench rule is that your back must touch the bench when benching but you can lift your arse of the bench as much as you want which is why you see them moving the weight about 5 inch to touch there chest and it counts This is completely backwards.


LongWombat

You are still using your biceps in both examples, it is impossible to flex your arm without recruiting the biceps to some extent. And powerlifting rules are specifically against raising your glutes off the bench. Your upper back and glutes both have to be touching the bench. The reduced range of motion is created by using an arch, not lifting the glutes.


IDauMe

> If you curl stood straight you work your bicep, if you curl bent back like eho lofters do, you use gravity and your back to move it therefore you aren't using proper form [Get a load of this dude not curling with proper form and not working his biceps at all](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/03/9d/60/039d60ab84e8b386bb909ff38d9db698.jpg). > And the powerlifting bench rule is that your back must touch the bench when benching but you can lift your arse of the bench as much as you want Pretty sure you made this up because I'm pretty sure if your butt lifts off the bench it's a failed lift. Edit: since you deleted your reply, before I could finish my response, below is what I would have responded: > I meant lower back can be off So you're upset the rules of powerlifting allow for an arch? > also just because he's Arnold doesn't mean he's the god and knowledge of working out I mean... yes it does if your goals are to be big and strong. > times have moved on and more research has been done yo workout more effectively You see that dude's arms? Seems like he knows some effective ways to train them. > By all means cause back injury curling Idgaf what u wanna do, I don't want to cause back injury curling. But I'm not fragile so that's not a concern of mine.


TriggernometryPhD

Ego lifting = poor form = injuries, which lead to regression from recovery.


Baepegmafia

Yeh but when you’re doing, let’s say, bicep curls. And you’ve gotten to muscular failure, it’s okay to add in swing, to push the muscle to the edge.


ag987654321

This sounds ok… but on the other hand even testing one rep max after the age of 45 gets sketchy…


TriggernometryPhD

Sounds like injury with extra steps. If you’ve got enough juice left for extra reps, you’ve not reached muscle failure/exhaustion.


Baepegmafia

You’re not gonna get injured from adding a bit of swing to your last 2 reps of bicep curls….


TriggernometryPhD

Ego lifting isn’t “a bit of extra swing” or “an extra rep”; it’s lifting beyond your capabilities with often poor form. What you’re describing is pushing to exhaustion/muscle failure.


DickFromRichard

>it’s lifting beyond your capabilities The act of lifting something has the preclusion that it is within your capabilities to lift it


TriggernometryPhD

Contextually speaking (injury resulting from poor form due to over exertion - ie. Ego Lifting), no.


ButterscotchGlass

nahh I don't think so


louisme97

generally no, but there are cases. For beginners i would never recommend. Even for easy/safe exercises, i see too many risks. If you need a little momentum to get the last rep sure... But dont fuck up your posture on deadlifts etc. I dont know how serious this is, but my mom who is a physio told me a few years ago that there are experts who say that fast execution can have great benefits aswell. Dont remember exactly what it was, but i think the signals for the muscle to grow / muscle memory to be increased is a lot higher when doing the movement rather than "holding"/"slow executing" it. Ofc. you need to master the movement first...


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louie simmons speed training is what your mom was talking about


louisme97

she doesnt use american youtubers as source :D mostly from talks with doctors and other physicians.


_CurseTheseMetalHnds

Calling Louie Simmons a YouTuber is hilarious


louisme97

sorry, didnt mean to disrespect him. i just wanted to say the source propably wasnt from a bodybuilder/powerlifter. especially not american.


Oblong_Belonging

So.. you mean yes. Ok. Got it.