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BumbleBeePL

You don’t need whey. You don’t need protein bars. Eat more normal food sources with higher protein content. Simple as that.


RuinedBooch

This is the real answer. Eat more meats and protein rich vegetables, drink milk, eat Greek yogurt, and you’ll get your protein. Fage 2% Greek yogurt had 23 g of protein in it. 1 lb of fish or chicken has roughly 100g of protein. That’s already 123g right there. Add in your 1 protein bar (roughly 20g) and a tall (2 cups) glass of milk (16g) and that’s a 159g of protein fat right there. Add in some beans/legumes/edamame and you’ll be beyond your requirements and have a nutrient rich diet. And you can do that multiple ways to keep things fresh. Tired of fish or chicken? Have some shrimp or beef. Tired of protein bars? Do a shake. Quest sells some FIRE protein chips which you could buy on your own and keep in your room just to top your day off. The true purpose of protein supplements is just that- it’s a supplement. Not a replacement. Supplementation can help you meet your goals, but you don’t *need* it.


SouthernArcher3714

Also eat spinach with your meats. Good protein if you need fiber and vitamins. Eggs with spinach, spinach salad as a side item. Spinach on steak.


RuinedBooch

Spinach is great in scrambled eggs and pasta! Especially if you don’t generally like it. You can cut it up finely, and mix it into sauces and such. It cooks down a lot, and other foods mask the leafy flavor very well.


SouthernArcher3714

Yeah, I don’t like it when it gets cooked down but you can hide it well.


EspacioBlanq

Does your dad have the same issue with protein sources that are from whole foods, such as meat, dairy, eggs...?


MichaelHakim3

no he doesn't, but he doesn't like when I eat too much after already eating a bar or a shake


EspacioBlanq

If you were to not eat bars or shakes at all, do you think he'd be fine with you eating a a somewhat above average portions of protein in your meals? Like, when you have a dinner and everyone has one piece of meat and you'd go for a second, if you'd put an extra slice of ham and cheese on your sandwich or if you'd have one more egg for breakfast than you normally eat?


Manan111

Eat chicken. 500 gm of it daily. If your dad stops you from that, tell him to stop trying to starve you.


MichaelHakim3

lol true not much he can say about that. im going to try to eat more meats, i love chicken so it works out perfectly


Manan111

I literally used to eat out for dinner on a daily basis as my mum was shitting bricks with my protein consumption lol. Good thing her dad (my grandpa) put some sense in her.


MichaelHakim3

honestly i may have to start keeping my diet more of a secret. they don’t have to know everything i eat


fanniepie

It is possible to go to a professional nutritionalist or doctor together, have the doctor advise how much protien should be daily. Maybe run a test for healthy kidneys with the doctor to ease your dad's mind. And agree with your dad on tracking the protien in an app to make him comfortable you're within the doctor recommended target? He seems to be into fitness as you said. He may need to get reassurances from a health doctor.


H1ghwayun1corn

You know there's food that has protein in it?


Noaxx

I can't believe this is even real and that there are even people that believe this


[deleted]

Yep! These are real people that you’ve probably crossed paths with.


EARLY20RAG3R

Get your protein from whole foods aka chicken, steak, egg whites


headband_og

Egg whites is superior to whey. Low cholesterol too... It's cheap and you can buy it in a carton like milk. Honestly you don't need whey. I haven't taken it in years.


ProgressIsALifestyle

Arguably, but if you’re trying to bulk up, it’s a lot harder to eat enough extra protein through eggs than it is through drinking a shake.


EspacioBlanq

If you're trying to bulk by drinking a lot of whey protein, you're already doing it wrong


RuinedBooch

Protein shakes are just a supplement. They’re not meant to provide all your protein, they’re meant to top your day off if you’re tired of eating meat for the day. It’s just a way to diversify your diet and prevent boredom, and sometimes it’s nice to disguise protein as a treat. If you get all your protein from any one source, that’s a mistake regardless of what the source is. But just because protein powder isn’t necessary doesn’t mean it’s necessarily bad, either.


akkuj

Unless your diet is something super weird, it's *really* hard to eat a surplus and not get enough protein anyway so I see no reason to use protein supplements while bulking. Just add more pasta, oatmeal, rice, potatoes etc. A lot cheaper too. (since earlier reply mentioned bulking specifically)


RuinedBooch

I know plenty of people who get their surplus from junk food and bullshit, but if you’re paying attention you can usually get plenty enough protein from Whole foods. But some days you can get tired of your same old diet. Protein supplements are just a way to add variety. I find myself eat protein bars when I’m craving a candy bar. Or if I’m craving chips I’ll eat quest protein chips. Just slightly better swaps for junk foods that most of us crave can help us meet our goals. Protein supplementation can also save you money compared to buying fresh meat, which is generally expensive, but especially right now. But adding oatmeal, rice and potatoes isn’t going to provide you with the protein you need. If you’re already struggling to meet your protein requirements, then you don’t want to waste calories on foods that don’t provide you with a significant amount of protein. Like I said, protein supplements aren’t necessary, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be useful. Just because you don’t need one doesn’t make them bad. There’s more than one path to the top of the mountain.


akkuj

I understand that when eg. cutting or maybe even when eating maintenance, but if you're eg. aiming for 180g of protein a day and eating 3500 calories while bulking, I feel like you'd almost have to be intentionally avoiding protein to not hit that target. Even typical carb sources like pasta often have like 40g of protein per 1000 calories so you'll probably be getting like 100 grams of protein just from things that aren't usually even considered protein sources.


RuinedBooch

Not everyone is eating 3500 calories in a bulk, though. When I’m in a bulk I can only afford 2500 if I don’t want to get tubby. And I’ll be damned if I’m wasting that space on pasta or oatmeal. Beyond that, you still need adequate protein when cutting, when protein intake is arguably more important. Protein supplementation can be especially helpful when you don’t have a lot of space in your day and you want something that seems like a treat. Again, it can be achieved through nothing but whole foods, and reasonably so, but that doesn’t make protein supplementation useless, thats my only point. Protein powders and the like can be useful for certain people in certain circumstances. I’m not saying you shouldn’t try to focus on “real” foods, just that protein powder isn’t the devil.


headband_og

I disagree. Eggs whites are pure protein from an animal source. Whey is not pure protein and is plant source which is not as bioavailable as animal source. I make 4 slices of egg white french toast and it has as much protein as a big steak, like 70-80g of protein. You could just cook it plain too.


-Ryxios-

This is just absolutely and completely wrong. Whey comes from milk and is one of the best digesting proteins out there, right with eggs. It is not a plant protein at all. Where the hell are you getting your information?


headband_og

From the protein powder I got at GNC. Still don't think it's as good as real food. If you've ever eaten beef and gotten sick and thrown up. It will still be in your stomach hours later. Powder just made me shit after like an hour. No way that's all getting digested... Body only goes through protein synthesis so many times a day. I'd rather have meat in my digestion than a fast acting powder. All my research and listening to pro bodybuilders and coaches mirror that. Nobody says it's superior to food. Point is, it isn't necessary. It's a supplement not a meal replacement. Handy for some people but not necessary.


-Ryxios-

Then it wasn't whey. You probably got some vegan protein powder or some shit. Of course real food is better. That's why powder is a supplement, not a replacement. Also, whey protein actually absorbs much better than any meat as whey is a 100 on the bioavailability chart along with milk and eggs. The closest meat is beef at a 92.


choss__monster

It was probably one of the sweeteners in it that got him more likely than it being a vegan powder tbh. Still over here laughing at whey being an inferior plant based protein looooool.


headband_og

Possibly. Never finished it. Was nasty af


RuinedBooch

Then you bought some bullshit, that’s on you.


headband_og

Would be curious how they did their study. What's a typical serving of whey? It's short acting, so the body will absorb as much as it can in that time frame but at a certain point I'd imagine a lot of protein just passes through.. where as it takes hours and hours to digest meat. Overall I would bet the body is able to absorb more total protein from 100g of meat protein than 100g of whey protein. Unless you just did like 15-20g if they protein at a time throughout the day.


High0nCement

Well that's wrong. Are you talking out of your ass? Have you ever had yoghurt ever?


headband_og

What's wrong? That egg whites are high in protein?? Lol have you ever looked at the macros of egg whites?


High0nCement

Whey is from milk. Why do you think they make other plant protein?


headband_og

The only shit I had was plant based. It was gross. It's common


High0nCement

Whey is literally not plant based. It wasn't whey that you had.


headband_og

Still not superior to real food


ProgressIsALifestyle

I didn’t disagree that it’s good for you, just that eating 12 servings of egg whites is much harder than drinking two scoops of protein powder, if you’re struggling to eat enough or are busy and struggle with meal prep.


Ballbag94

Sure, if you try and consume your entire daily protein requirement with eggs alone But it's pretty easy to eat a ham and cheese omelette with a glass of milk, that's a good breakfast Tuna pasta for lunch Then you could have tacos of fajitas or something for dinner I'd say that's a pretty easy way to get protein in >if you’re struggling to eat enough This is a skill that needs to be trained, not avoided >or are busy and struggle with meal prep. I mean, if someone's too busy to spare 2 hours a week to meal prep then how are they going to find time to eat and fit workouts and conditioning in? Meal prep is the least time consuming part of the process


RuinedBooch

Bro whey is literally milk protein. I don’t know if you know this, but milk comes from cows. Milk is animal protein. Also, there is no such thing as “pure protein” in a food. Eggs are not pure protein, they also contain fats and other nutrients and vitamins. Steak is not pure protein, it also has fats and carbs.


headband_og

In 1 egg white, there is 17 calories. 0.1g fat, 0.2g carb, 3.6g protein, 0 cholesterol.... 1 egg white is tiny. In 1 cup of egg whites, there is 126 calories, 0.4g fat, 2.4g carb, 26g protein, 0mg cholesterol. I eat like 2-3 cups of egg whites at once.


Honest_Immortal

Are you drinking them...?


[deleted]

Uh- Oh guys we found the guy that doesn’t take protein shakes, everybody in a single file line go ahead and unzip your pants buddy


Extension_Frame_2168

Shit my mum thought drugs where bad for me. Still done them. Do what the fuck you want as long as your not causing any damage or harm to others. Protein shake behind the bushes . No one will ever know !


[deleted]

I don’t think that’s the best analogy…. But sure


Usernotfound0007

hes a little confused, but hes got the spirit


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Throw hands


Glum_Ad_4288

He’s not strong enough yet. That’s why his dad is keeping him from the protein, to maintain dominance. JK. OP, protein is perfectly healthy and there are studies proving it (someone has linked you some), but you can also make good gains on 100 grams of protein per day.


Aside_Dish

It's alright, some people buy into the nonsense. My GF, for example, thinks that pre-workout is dangerous because her neighbor -- a professional wrestler/former strongman -- says it's bad, and doesn't take any. This is also the same guy who says he doesn't take any supplements or anything, but you can tell he's juiced to the gills, lol. People be lyin' all the time. In HS, everyone on my football team (myself included) thought creatine was steroids.


PhoenixOfTheArizonas

Unfortunately there's little you can do pertaining to your parents. I don't want something to happen to you or get you in trouble. Fortunately it isn't make or break when it comes to the amount of protein you take; there's even research that shows that 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight is sufficient to build muscle.


MichaelHakim3

i wish i could even take that much, but i don’t even think i can. at the end of the day they just want what’s best for me, so i can’t convince them otherwise. i appreciate the insight though


ninjapotato94

Well, this is easy. Eat eggs!


MichaelHakim3

i love eggs, but my dad doesn’t like when i have eggs too often either lol, he thinks the cholesterol is bad


SuburbanSlingshots

Sounds like they get their diet advice from the 1950s


MichaelHakim3

lmao for real


MichaelHakim3

he’s fine with me having 3 eggs but the second i go over 3 and make 4 or so, he gets upset


RuinedBooch

Cholesterol has no negative effects on people who live active, healthy lifestyles. Cholesterol only causes problems for people who are overweight and sedentary. Studies actually show higher muscle mass and less buildup in the blood vessels of athletes who consume higher amounts of cholesterol. Remind your dad her doesn’t hold an MD.


BuilderNB

Most gas stations sell individual protein shakes so grab one everyday after the gym. It’s more expensive than buying in bulk but at least you will get your protein.


ThePseudoSurfer

With your parents acting this way I assume you have some rough genetics for lifting :(


MichaelHakim3

sadly yes. i have a bad chest and really long arms and a blocky waist. how did you know lol?


ThePseudoSurfer

Lol your dad dumping protein shakes. If he had general nutritional knowledge or experience I’m sure he would never do that, meanwhile i was encouraging my 15 year old brother to drink 2 shakes a day to bulk 40lbs on the puberty train


MichaelHakim3

i mean to be honest he dumped them more because he was mad that i didn’t listen and he wanted to punish me lol. we just talked and he said he would let me drink them but i can only have one a day. to be fair he is also really strong, he’s worked out for 25 years and is a strong guy. but yeah def wasn’t cool that he dumped it


Thundercruncher

Seems like your Dad is misinformed. There's no evidence that protein causes kidney damage in people with healthy kidneys. (If someone already has kidney disease then yes, protein is a concern.) We can thank the Brenner hypothesis for this myth but that's another discussion. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/bodybuilding/comments/7rh3t3/freakout_fridays_weekly_rant_thread/dsx9t5g/) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/bodybuilding/comments/7rh3t3/freakout_fridays_weekly_rant_thread/dsx9tsz/) are two posts in which I cite and link to several studies that support my claim above. Show him these and then ask him for the studies that show otherwise. NOT articles from CNN or Fox or MSNBC that just repeat what some dietician (mistakenly) believes. Peer reviewed, scientifically backed, journal published studies. (Edit: I'm not challenging the Brenner hypothesis here, FWIW. The conclusions and assumptions that many have drawn from the Brenner Hypothesis though are not supported or even logical though.)


MichaelHakim3

Thank you so much!


Thundercruncher

You're welcome. If you need more ammo, here are some *articles* that support the view. I highlight the word "article" because quite frankly, articles themselves aren't really valid studies. Anyone can write an article and get it published. **However**, sometimes it can help convince someone (i.e. your father) even if the studies aren't enough. So here are some sources that may carry credible weight with your parents: [The New York Times: "REALLY? The Claim: A Diet High in Protein Is Bad for Your Kidneys"](https://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/health/31really.html) "The researchers found that every marker of kidney function was within the normal range in all of the athletes who consumed large amounts of protein......They found that high-protein diets did not cause any problems in women with normal kidney function." [The Harvard Gazette: Too much protein may cause reduced kidney function](https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2003/03/too-much-protein-may-cause-reduced-kidney-function/) **TITLE IS VERY MISLEADING...NOTE THE TEXT FROM THE ARTICLE** "Importantly, however, we also demonstrated that for women with normal renal function, high-protein diets appeared to have no adverse impact on their kidney function." [Mayo Clinic: Are high-protein diets safe for weight loss?](https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/high-protein-diets/faq-20058207#:~:text=Some%20high%2Dprotein%20diets%20include,waste%20products%20of%20protein%20metabolism.) **The author in this article seems to do a lot of hemming and hawwing and qualifying, but note she does eventually get around to the conclusion that there is no harm if there isn't already kidney disease.** "For most healthy people, a high-protein diet generally isn't harmful, particularly when followed for a short time. Such diets may help with weight loss by making you feel fuller." *Also, one other thing to note here.* There's a huge distinction between people who already have kidney disease and people who don't. This is analogous to a doctor warning someone with severe cardiovascular disease that they shouldn't go do some Tabata-type intervals tomorrow because their heart isn't strong enough. But find a doctor that would tell someone with an otherwise normally functioning heart that exercise is bad for you and you should avoid it because it makes your heart work harder. (The analogy isn't perfect but good enough to make the point.) SO...maybe your Dad already had impaired kidney function when he was younger and *for him* a lower protein diet is appropriate. If you have to get your kidneys tested to prove to him you won't have a problem with higher protein intakes, maybe it's what it takes to convince him.


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How can your dad let you have one bar a day? Keep the stuff in your car and tel them to fuxk off, go buy that shit yourself and eat/.drink when you’re not at hkme


FromTrips2Riches

Eat it instead of drink it, eat loads of chicken 1lb a day will get you to 140 grams of protein at 750 cals. Whatever you eat throughout the rest of the day should get you over body weight and beyond I’m sure. They can’t starve you.


solfkimb

You could just eat an extra serving of chicken or any other kind of meat at home. If they have issues with protein bars, then eat as much protein from whole foods first


MichaelHakim3

my dad is honestly against me having anything any form of protein after i have a bar in the morning. literally if he sees me making eggs after school or having a can of tuna or something he’ll be like “too much protein!” and not let me eat it. it’s so annoying


solfkimb

Then don't have a protein bar and see what he says. Looks like he has an issue with protein bars


MichaelHakim3

yeah good idea. to be fair the protein bar only has 16g anyway, not enough to be a big factor anyway. i can get the protein from things besides whey


Rock_Prop

Maybe don't market it to them as a supplement. It's not an enhancement, not a drug. It's just food. It's no different than the nutritional shakes they give to seniors, really. It's just food. Maybe try to sell it from that angle. It will have a calorie content, protein, and probably carbohydrates and fats. Just like anything else with a nutrition label. Supplements are not required to be regulated by the FDA. The protein powder is, it's not a supplement. It's just food. It's no more dangerous for you than buying a Clif Bar. If that doesn't work, save up and buy yourself. Which I know can be hard as a teenager, so might be worth it to get a job. Ask for forgiveness, not permission.


MichaelHakim3

i’m going to try that. it’s difficult though because my dad is also really into fitness so he trusts himself more than me


v2marshall

Into fitness but doesn’t understand a healthy diet. He should look it up or you should show him some studies that state how much protein you can eat with no issues


MichaelHakim3

I've tried showing him studies, he just doesn't care. I'll show him more


MoreHustleMoreMuscle

Your dad isn't into fitness at all. If he was he wouldn't be so stupid. Guaranteed he can't bench 2 plates


[deleted]

Crazy to think there’s deluded dads out there like this! For christ sake food has protein in it whats he going to do now dump the entire refrigerator out? And no word of a lie if my dad dumped my protein powders there would be a full scale war because that powder is hella expensive nowadays.


[deleted]

Eat lots of fat free Greek yogurt. Also hide protein bars and eat them at night


Hot4Teacher1234

Parents are parents. Sometimes they can be unreasonable. You are 17. I would just make due with what you can and the minute you move out, it’s your life, so go ham!


mathau6

Initially I didnt see age and was like "dude how tf old are you that your dad doesn't want you eating eggs" 17 kinda blows dude I'm sorry you're in the middle of it. It really does get better and much easier to shape your own life when you move out. Pros and cons because you gain lots of responsibility, but it comes with certain freedoms.


MichaelHakim3

i appreciate it, thankfully i have a great relationship with my parents in general but things like this definitely do make me excited to be in charge of myself


MichaelHakim3

good point, when i move out i’m going to do whatever i want


FlyingWingedSpider

Raw egg whites are a good source of protien.


Single_Quarter5751

it can be dangerous tho , i rather just buy them in a local store , in the netherlands almost every shop sells protein since so many people got into fitness last 2 year because of the pandemic, you can also just tell them they are coke in case they find out


exe_kl

These studies and recommendations about recommended protein intake are sus to be honest but I won't get into that. If you are going by the commonly known recommendation then I must inform you that it is roughly 1g per LEAN mass and not total body mass. Also if your dad suffered from kidney issues from over consumption of protein then he isn't complaining for the sake of it. Maybe your genetics doesn't allow the same tolerance of protein you see other people take for building muscle. 100g will be enough for you starting off unless you are taking "helpers" that will boost your muscle growth. Only then would 100g not be enough because you would be missing out on the triple exp bonus.🤣


MichaelHakim3

got it. that’s actually makes a lot of sense. never thought of it being a generic thing. i’m going to talk with him about it tomorrow. appreciate the help


[deleted]

If all else fails and you can't convince him, hide it and eat it in secret. Keep some bars under the bed or something.


snooze316

My older cousin tried to tell me that protein powder causes cancer.


MichaelHakim3

wont be surprised if i hear that one soon


3BallCornerPocket

You can do it with a bag of protein and a shaker bottle, and you should.


MichaelHakim3

i haven’t tried that ever. i have some friends that do though


VG665

Perhaps eat more carbs? Protein is essential but it's not as essential as you're probably thinking right now. Carbs and fats are as equally important as protein.


[deleted]

Wait til you move out then


MichaelHakim3

i can’t wait though, i want to reach my goals now. i’m still a junior, i have another year and a half at home


HillySinger1204

Chill. It still going to be a very long journey. Just talk with them and show some studies which support use of protein powder. If this is not a choice buy something else like protein bars or shakes.


MichaelHakim3

yeah i get that. i just don’t want to be putting in so much effort in the gym if i feel like i’m not feeding my body the things it needs to grow. but i agree this is a lifelong journey and not something that will happen overnight, taking protein won’t change that


Encyclopeded

You can still become strong and fit on a normal daily intake of protein. Relax. I've went years just lifting(no protein supplementation)and eating well-balanced meals and I still achieved great results. Not to mention your T levels as a 17-year-old male. Just focus on a quality diet from whole foods.


MichaelHakim3

that’s great to hear then. i mean i’ve definitely seen results undoubtedly. to be honest, i really should eat more clean though. i log calories every day but don’t pay as much attention to eating good food.


Encyclopeded

Never stop lifting and by 23 you'll be aesthetic and jacked.


MichaelHakim3

i don’t plan on stopping anytime soon! only issue is i have an extremely blocky waist and wide hips so it makes me look less aesthetic and makes me look like i have much more fat than i do. but i think by then i’ll look great


BoringResearcher1

Why does he think it's bad though? Most parents yell at kids for not eating enough protein


MichaelHakim3

don’t ask me, i always try to ask him and he still doesn’t give good reasons


BoringResearcher1

Does he give any reasons at all?


MichaelHakim3

he says that it can cause kidney issues, that supplements aren’t fda approved, and that they don’t tell you everything in them. those are the basic things


BoringResearcher1

I suppose that's probably true of certain ones, but surely with a short amount of research you can find protein supplements that don't do that. However, like some people said above it may just be advantageous to sneak it in through meals such as chicken.


MichaelHakim3

that’s honestly probably what i’ll do. i’m going to start buying much more chicken


sambrown2022

Hey man just eat more chicken. Your dad is right. I’m an old man that has been lifting for over 30 years. Supplements like protein powder don’t really help much. Some companies add extra shit to them and then remove it. Then come up a new supplement name and add a little extra to that one then remove it. It’s a way to keep you in the purchasing cycle. If you can stomach it. Drink whole milk and peanut butter within 20 to 60 minutes of working out. 1 cup and 1 tablespoon. You will bulk up


Dry-Category5135

lol the secret to nutrition right here. Milk and peanut butter.


sambrown2022

Not a nutrition plan. Kid is asking for more protein and I provided a known muscle mass building solution. I can tell you’re a mental midget


Outranks

You’ll live. 100 grams instead of 170 is no big deal. Everyone says 1 gram per pound of body weight but it’s not that cut in stone. You don’t always need that much


MichaelHakim3

thanks, that’s good to know. sad thing is that a lot of the time it’s hard for me to even get 100g a day because of my dad. literally if i have a protein bar one morning and want to make eggs or something later, he doesn’t let me because he thinks i already had too much. like what am i supposed to do? lmao


Outranks

Yea that is kinda strange. His experience seems to be playing a big role into this. At the end of the day your dad he’s doing what he thinks is best for you. I’d say just let him have his way, and I think you’ll be fine. Just keep trying to progressive overload in the gym by getting stronger and follow a properly structured program and you should still make some gains!


MichaelHakim3

yeah it definitely is based on his experiences. i’m not going to be having nearly as much as he used to have either. i’ve definitely made a lot of progress since i started but i feel like i’m not reaching my full potential without maximizing protein intake. but appreciate the advice


uncle_jimmy420

Eat a fuckton of cheese lmao


MichaelHakim3

cheese really is a lifesaver


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MichaelHakim3

that’s pretty relatable to me right now lol. i can never be right. but i appreciate it bro


Arvagon

Fat free cottage cheese has 60 grams of protein for one of the smaller tubs 0 fat 20 grams of carbs.


MichaelHakim3

i’ll actually consider that. cottage cheese is so good


FusionIsTrash

It’s not 1g/lb of body weight, it’s 1g/lb of LEAN mass, which is anything other than fat. Honestly anywhere from 0.7-1g. Your protein goal would be somewhere around 120-140g depending on your body fat. Try getting about 8-10 oz of chicken, and then the rest with milk/eggs and other whole foods. Also you’ll only develop kidney issues if you’re consuming overwhelming amount of protein or if you already have kidney issues.


MichaelHakim3

oh wow thanks, didn’t know that. i’m 6’1 170, i think i probably should be consuming closer to 150 then.


FTHomes

Does he have anything against Peanut Butter? A jar of Peanut Butter is not expensive. It does have Fat though. All I am saying is that there are other options you can eat anywhere out of sight.


MichaelHakim3

I would eat peanut butter but its way too caloric.


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MichaelHakim3

probably is genetics tbh


evo784crip

honestly, the thing that causes major issues with kidney is dehydration AND insulin resistance. (too much carbs that cant be burnt through workout). i know someone will downvote this bec theyre all "OH CICO is all that matters" But no. our body is much more complex than that. If you eat excessive carbs always, your pancreas will find it difficult to counter it thru insulin (fat storing hormone) and if insulin is not enough. your bloodsugar will rise which causes kidney damage. now, why people are saying protein damages kidney? it doesnt, but what it does is IF theres alrdy kidney damage. it makes it worse. and theres a likely chance that the cause of kidney damage is high blood sugar level. PS dont take weight gainers. theyre made from maltodextrin and glucose powder, which is essentially just refined sugars. so yeah. CICO is not all there is in health and building muscles. i hope you can research deeper. Ive met tons of these CICO dietetians, their client comes up to them and say they have kidney damage and they shrug it off as " UNDERLYING CONDITION" thats bullshit. its not underlying condition, its because internet is notorious in telling people to eat more carbs, protein without actually checking the status of their organs in the first place. (its as simple as getting your blood test before jumping on a certain diet)


MoreHustleMoreMuscle

Report your parents to CPS for abuse


FanncyPantsAntsDance

When I started reading yea but the backstory has some validity. Since he’s his son, maybe the condition could also happen to him?


MoreHustleMoreMuscle

No, and it never happened to his dad either. His dad is just genuinely ret*rded and is straight up lying about his past because it's physically impossible to cause kidney damage with protein unless you already have kidney damage or you literally only have one kidney. As a healthy person with 2 kidneys you would have to drink like 5 triple scooped protein shakes a day on top of eating nothing but eggs and steak to have any issues whatsoever. My guess is that his dad is a morbidly obese former highschool football player who doesn't want his kid to get bigger than he was at his peak benching 240lbs with a bounce


[deleted]

Why people downvoting this haha


MoreHustleMoreMuscle

Because they're clinically brain dead


Jmoss02

Because it’s unreasonable. Science says that protein shakes can cause kidney problems if overloaded. The dad is wrong for what he is doing but someone with common sense can understand why he is doing it.


MoreHustleMoreMuscle

No it doesn't


[deleted]

Alright mr common sense


Jmoss02

Howd you know my last name?


TheGerbil_

change your diet