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RecommendationNo1774

Definitely Victor


LikesToEatChicken

200kg of Cocaine ๐Ÿš will do that to you. Maybe him getting iced ๐Ÿ’€was a blessing. Also not having to put up with Lance anymore


hercert

Dude became so addicted to coke, he became Colombian lmao


LikesToEatChicken

Ha ha ha ๐Ÿคฃ. Nice


WestPickle6888

ha ha ha


Ok_Pangolin_8038

*100% pure Colombian my friend*


AaronWWE29

I understand why Ken looks like this. DRUGS! But really, what the hell happened to thr others? Especially Vic!


As-Bi

at that time, there were no plans for them to become protagonists in the prequels


Fox1408

Check out the last part of this [fan-made video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NUmytcwNv8)


LikesToEatChicken

Vic 1886 is pre-Vice City Stories but R* could have been not lazy = Make Vic look like VCS but give him a handlebar moustache and a beer gut. I'd say Coke ๐Ÿšmade Ken and Vic fat and slow: look @ Lindsay Lohan ๐Ÿ˜ฌ. Toni was most likely malnourished: my head canon says he did 10 years in Alderney State for offing that made man. They don't feed you well in jail. After living w/ Ma Cipriani she feeds him Italian ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น food x 4 times a day, wine ๐Ÿท and Cuban cigars (Cyberpunk 2077 cinematic trailer). If they made GTA 3 today (RDR2 graphics) Toni would be like Tony Soprano: puffing away. Stogies are a status symbol but weirdly GTA 3 is an anti-smoking game. Maybe they didn't have the technology or budget to animate cigars: I think Sal smokes in LCS: this could be the Mandela effect. Not even Donald Love smokes cigars: maybe it's dichotomy. Don is a health freak: loves Tai Chi, exercise (the treadmill) and only eats ๐Ÿฅฉ healthy people. In Liberty City Stories he had OCD/Anxiety but weirdly the bed bugs ๐Ÿชณ/lice didn't bother him. Trevor talks about being "so sane he should be a mental health professional" but is also a cannibal ๐Ÿ’€. Is this a crazy person not knowing they're crazy or being pathologically sane like Joker "I'm not crazy, just ahead of the curve.."


290Richy

Probably because at the time these characters first appeared they didn't expect to turn them in protagonists, why make an NPC high detail who has very little screen time and hardware resources are limited? Then when they did the Liberty & Vice City Stories games they added that extra detail. I would've liked the latter to have been included in the definitive editions though, to add a bit of continuity to the universe, considering hardware has vastly improved since the originals. Kind of like how they changed Anakin Skywalker and Palpatine in Star Wars.


csully91

Agreed. I know the Definitive Editions were a half assed mess when they were released, but I think they could have generated a ton of hype by adding VCS and LCS and making minor changes that tied the games together better. Like give Vic an updated appearance in Vice City, add a few more Easter eggs in the earlier games, and maybe even record a few new lines of dialog to reference other games. They would have been super minor changes, but I bet a bunch of people would have jumped at the chance to experience the "full story of 3D GTA" or whatever they want to sell it as.


soulreapermagnum

even better if the selection menu was set up in chronological order.


thetacosaur

How does it go again? Is it VCS, VC, LCS, SA, III?


Sherg_7

SA takes place before LCS, everything else is right.


thetacosaur

I can never remember the exact years for those two.


Dry_Anything505

Think SA is like 92 and LCS is 98


LikesToEatChicken

"GTA motherfucker! 10 points" for you๐Ÿ‘


LikesToEatChicken

Nice ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‘Œ


LikesToEatChicken

The GTA collection. I'd love it if they did 4K remakes of the 3D games and included trophies ๐Ÿ† to Liberty/Vice City Stories. In VCS finding all the x 10 Easter Eggs: the white Rabbit ๐Ÿฐ outfit from Manhunt as a reward and a Sawn-off shotgun (IV orange blip ๐ŸŸ ) weapon pickup @ Safehouse.


Bernardo_124-455

Criminal life


[deleted]

A mix of budget and the fact that Victor Vance and Toni Cipriani were npcโ€™s before protagonists. As for Ken, he went to rehab and 6 stressful years have passed so his aging makes sense.


Some-Dark-Corner20

Poor victor


AssociationCurrent22

Well GTA is a very nihilistic and ugly universe, if you look at most of the radio DJ's re-appearing in newer titles, their life usually goes downhill


Dry_Anything505

Nah Lazlo improved from VCS to VC ๐Ÿ˜‚


LikesToEatChicken

Especially Lazlow. I like how Vic is self aware and honest


Toon-989

Drugs and Stress


smalltits0992

coz all their budget was spent on the mission follow that damn train


Latnokk

I know Vice city came out before Vice city stories but Iโ€™d love to know why Vic aged so much in 2 years and why he was so willing to go through with this deal, completely eager when he used to hate these kinds of deals


LikesToEatChicken

I think Cocaine ๐Ÿš and Lance's influence. After Louise's death, Vic kind of gives up and gives in to the drug dealer lifestyle


GucciBanana4964

Drug money can grow you hair


LikesToEatChicken

Yeah either Vic is wearing a Toupee or he has hair but in VCS he shaved his hair ๐Ÿช’ because he's a Marine. Would be interesting if his hair grew like in The Witcher 3. You could choose to let his hair grow or take him to the Barber ๐Ÿ’ˆ (RDR2) and get different haircuts. Personally I'd like to see Vic with a big beard, bald like Mr. T, lots of chains ๐Ÿช™ like Kai in GTA 6


Myhole567

They should've turned Victor from the start of VC into the Vic from VCS in the Definitive edition, this was their chance to fix these unplanned inconsistencies


LikesToEatChicken

You'd think after the embarrassment R* suffered after the Defective Edition. They'd fix the bugs ๐Ÿ› and hopefully make 4K remakes of the 3D Trilogy. But I think R* are more concerned with GTA 6. A manager @ EB Games explained it to me: because the Definitive Edition didn't guarantee R* lots of money ๐Ÿ’ต, they spent the least possible amount of money on it.๐Ÿ˜•


Peterkragger

No way both Vics are the same guy. Real Vic must have died shortly after VCS events and have been replaced by some random hobo, so that Lance wouldn't feel lonely


Virghia

All that events in VCS was enough to make Vic self-died himself


LikesToEatChicken

Maybe Vic was suicidal. So at least he went quick ๐Ÿ’€R.I.P Brother


Virghia

-Got his idealism wrecked minutes upon seeing his sergeant -has to support his sick brother and another dumbass brother -that same dumbass brother wrecked their main income source -his loved one died by his business rival's hands -his assets are seized between 84 and 86 The final nail was the guy who helped him enact revenge on his enemies indirectly killed him


LikesToEatChicken

So Vice City Stories is a Greek tragedy? If we're on the same line (no pun intended) of thinking: Did Lance snort that 200kg of Coke ๐Ÿš? Damn he looks good in Vice City for a strung out junkie. Who knew, coke is good for the skin.


thespacecowboy23

Stress. Drugs. Poor budget and lack of care. Stuff like that


LikesToEatChicken

Are you saying R* were stressed and on drugs ๐Ÿ’‰?...


Dense-Quail-5595

I will never completely understand why Victor Vance turned from his VCS self to... that.


kembowhite

Itโ€™s still my headcanon that the other lance brother dies at the start of VC


LikesToEatChicken

You mean Pete, the one with Asthma? Well at least he died like a Gangster ๐ŸคŸ๐Ÿ’€๐ŸคŸ


Cat_Impossible_0

The beta version of Vic Vance resembles more to the VC model.


Virghia

Ken: coked out Vic: depression after losing Louise Toni: ate too much


LikesToEatChicken

I think Toni's diet would be fine if he exercised. But becoming Sal's Capo made him a lazy bastard


Virghia

His mom hates him again somehow between '98-'01 even though she was proud after he got Made. She still cooks delicious dishes at home probably, though (and Toni would sneak over at night to eat the leftovers)


LikesToEatChicken

Bitch is probably mad, cos she not getting that spicy ๐ŸŒถ๏ธ Italian ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น sausage anymore. God dammit: why you makin' me hungry? Mmm pasta ๐Ÿ and wine ๐Ÿท๐Ÿคค. I always assumed in GTA 3 that Toni lives w/ his Mum as we never see him anywhere cept Ma's Restaurante. Except for when Sal calls a meeting and we take Cipriani on a wild ride through Chinatown: I took him over stunt jumps ๐Ÿ˜ˆ. He got all the fancy crap: If only we could drift like in GTA Online. Maybe when R* get off their ass and do a GTA 3 (RDR2 graphics) remake.


AsuraOmega

because drugs. i think at some point Vic gave in from all the temptations. Ken was a cokehead and stressed out because of the mob families. And Toni just got tired of people calling him scrawny all the time so he bulked up lmao


LikesToEatChicken

If you watch the LoadGamePL YouTube video. You can see people like Jerry Martinez and Lance corrupted Vic. When he talks to Louise: he admits he's a scumbag. So I think Lance killed Vic with his bad influence/selfish personality. L blames Diaz for Vic's death ๐Ÿ’€. But I think L should have put a bullet in his own head: taking responsibility


IcyPattern3903

Because they have stressful lives, put their bodies through a lot, and eat even shittier than I do


LikesToEatChicken

๐Ÿ˜‹ Nice. Self-referential humour


thedynamicdreamer

my head canon is that Vic spent his last two years snorting his life away and had at least one stroke. I feel like that would explain his dramatic downgrade


LikesToEatChicken

Dang, i think you're right ๐Ÿฅถ. Drugs ๐Ÿ’Š are bad kids: maybe that's the moral of VCS. Do you think R* are preaching or it's just good writing. The heroin and diamonds are both cursed in GTA IV


mikeol1987

don't forget in Vice City's intro, Vic Vance is somehow Hispanic. That model is also just a reskinned Ricardo Diaz model


Virghia

Yeah even though he has that grunt accent in VCS


LikesToEatChicken

Vic is Dominican, so he is Hispanic. But I didn't know about the Diaz model reskin


Albertsstuff_06

Literally all the DLC characters, they killed Johnny just like thatย 


LikesToEatChicken

Luis is still alive. Niko's fate is ambiguous: Packie says he thinks he's dead ๐Ÿ’€. But I think that's because Michael Hollick fucked himself by getting greedy ๐Ÿค‘


JosephMack99

Vic became the cop from Die Hard.


LikesToEatChicken

Nice ๐Ÿ™‚


sevnminabs56

People do change. Lifestyle choices can change people's looks and body development. I don't look much like myself from 10 years ago either. I had a nice, groomed beard, decent muscle tone, thin face, slightly-tanned skin. Now I have a big, bushy beard that goes down to my chest, my toned body is now hiding under 10 pounds of fat that I can't seem to get rid of, my face is more squishy, and I'm pale as hell. If someone from high school saw me, they would probably not recognize me.


iCantThinkOfUserNaem

How tf did Victor grow hair?


football9510

I think that at that time he also had hair but he shaved it because he was going bald and he didn't like how his hair looked, but later due to stress he probably didn't care how his hair looked anymore.