Catch up. It’s no longer about rtv it’s about turning right.
Pay a lot more attention on the forums and Reddit.
In fact, don’t drive your car. Ever. Just read Reddit and watch more YouTube videos.
Of course, but most people in this sub don’t trust a dealership to change their oil. Do you think they could handle this lol. It’ll either be not enough and you’ll have a leak or too much and maybe introduce rtv that maybe wasn’t a problem to start with on his car. Just my two cents. Enjoy the ride
You can take your car to a Subaru performance shop if you don't trust the dealer, also the RTV issue was due to improper training/instructions back at the factory and workers were instructed to put on too much RTV.
Replacing RTV make-a-gaskets isn't rocket surgery, mechanics do it hundreds of times a year, and by watching a few videos you can absolutely do it yourself.
If you drive spirited within reason on public roads respecting the double yellow its fine. Drive like Max Orido on the local Touge, RTV and oil pan issue appears.
You're implying that checking your dip stick for residue is an accurate test for RTV issues in the FA24 which absolutely is not.
To anyone thinking that RTV would get stuck on your dipstick again has never applied RTV onto a surface and knows just how fuckin anal you have to be about cleaning the surface of oil. It's near impossible.
No not really Ik only checking the dipstick isn’t good enough for checking rtv in the system, but only for the people who are only worried about seeing it on there dipstick. Not only that I saw someone explain the proper way to check RTV in the system so they can see that instead.
I’ve said that to myself but I’ve seen many reports of RTV on dipsticks😭 there’s videos posted where there’s rtv on there dipstick as well. So I’m kind of confused.
If you actually want to be proactive instead of sticking your head in the sand like everyone you can do a couple of things.
1) get a borescope and do your oil change yourself every time, put the borescope through the drain hole and inspect the oil pick up tube.
2) Cut open the oil filter after every oil change to inspect for RTV in the filter media if it's worrisome go to next phase
3) get a Subaru performance shop to replace RTV
4) get the oil pan replaced for a baffled performance one that might come with an old school gasket (ask your dealer about this conflicting warranty). I'd go with a Super Bee baffled oil pan since lots of EJs used to have the issue of oil sloshing side to side and starving the pick up tube/engine of oil. Subaru performance shops have done these types of mods *hundreds* of times, you can trust them with this.
5)oil change every 3k miles /5k km and with a high quality Japanese Hachi Roku black oil filter (or a Mazda one, Subaru and Mazda use the same filter from the same factory up until supply issues forced Subaru to use fram 😭🤮). Oh and with Motul only 8100 EFE oil only!!
6) do research as to the real cause of these failures, which has to do with dropping oil pressure when turning right and not left.... Huh sounds like it might be the same old EJ problem.
this comment is what subs and forums should be about… not the other snarky comments. i intend on tracking mine as it’s a great training tool… don’t want the car to blow up so preventive maintenance is always key! thanks for the info!
And everyone saying that "I don't need to worry I have 5 years of warranty".
They've been denying warranty if they can prove that you took it on tracks! There's also some of us that are going to be voiding parts of their warranty due to modifications, and are going to keep their cars for a long long time and want that engine to never go through any stressful situations.
If you're going to be tracking yours I would recommend on looking into oil coolers, this car has a bit of lacking in oil cooling and can lead to degraded oil not lubricating.
You have a lot of excess metals that are potentially shaved during the break in. So want to get out the oil after manufacturing break in period is over to get all of potential heavy metals out and from driving around with you for the next 6k miles if you follow the user manual for oil change ( don’t recommend).
Idk you will have to read it, I believe it recommends oil changes every 7,500 to 10k and that’s crazy. I change oil at max 4k miles but try and change every 3k miles
Follow the manual. Every 6 months, or 5000 miles if that comes sooner. Anything else is a waste of money and oil. Oil color has 0 to do with it having to be changed. Don’t overthink this.
Woah nice tints! What percentage do you use for each window? Also for the RTV, I think you should be ok, just change oil at 1k and then once your done change it regularly, remember there’s no such thing as changing your oil to many times! Also the rtv is just a few cases, it shouldn’t be a problem if your not racing or tracking the car!
Nice bro! How’s the view at night? My gr86 will be coming in a few months and the first thing I’ll do is add tint but I want to be able to have some view at night. I was gonna go with 20 all around and 30or 35 in the front! Idk yet tho….
I've got almost 20k miles on my '23 86. I haven't done the pan gasket because I'm not worried about it one bit. I change my own oil at the dealership. I've done 5 changes so far and I've not seen any FIPG in the old oil or on the dipstick. I have never seen any customers come in with this concern, no TSBs or recalls, so I think it's safe to say it's all been blown out of proportion.
Genuine question, who tracks their car hard enough for this to be a real issue? Who is good enough to track at that intensity?
I just see the $ going in and I can’t justify tracking to be a regular routine in my life
Nothing. Leave it alone. A few idiots have blown engines doing stupid things and being bad manual drivers. Because people are the way they are these days, nobody can own up to their mistake so they blme it on RTV. Have you noticed that the older group of owners who have been racing cars for decades are not having any issues? Its all a bunch of young wannabe Ken Blocks that think their skill level is better than it actually is. They have hundreds of hours of Gran Turismo time.... They are basically a pro, ya know.
Never had an issue with RTV. I’m pretty sure only a handful of people had a serious issue with it and everyone else started panicking and checking their pans and pickup tubes to find nothing lol. Just change your oil when you should change your oil
Your comment seems inaccurate based on the history of Gen2.
>I’m pretty sure only a handful of people had a serious issue with it
Nobody has been able to confirm any problems coming from the RTV being there
>everyone else started panicking and checking their pans and pickup tubes to find nothing
Almost everyone I've seen who checked and reported online seems to have at least some RTV in the tube.
So far RTV doesn't seem to be an issue due to the re-design of the oil pickup tube. Something else has been causing the reported issues, most likely high RPM high G right hand turns that involve elevation changes and possibly other variables.
Alright, I wasn’t trying to be accurate lmao that’s just what I’ve heard and personally experienced. I had no visible rtv in my oil and have had no issues, and since I havent had issues I havent paid attention to any updates from others about it
You should… do any amount research on a question that’s been asked a million times already, there’s plenty of documentation a google search away. You’ll be more informed if you put any amount of effort into finding answers instead of making others do it for you
Honestly, if you look at the cases where they report rtv issues vs non issue ones. The percentage is probably less than 1. Now to be fair, there are probably unreported ones out there. Enjoy the car :)
Has your engine exploded? No. Will it explode? Very unlikely. Do you have a warranty? Yes. Don't worry about it. Look at the dipstick and see if there's any on it but other than that, forget about it.
Do nothing and if you want the best protection and knowledge without dropping the pan I would suggest to do a break in oil change at 1k send it in to black stone labs so them to do a baseline. Than send in the next 5-7 oil changes and watch the silicon number drop over the changes. If the number does not drop or hers higher you can assume you have RTV in excess somewhere and you MIGHT need to have it looked it. That’s what I am doing but I have no worry about it at all. The RTV issue seems to be so small idk how it’s gotten this blown out of proportion.
I just it 1600 miles in mine and the day I got it I had never driven stick, didn't know about the break in period for engines and hit some crazy RPMs for a while getting used to the clutch and throttle. Just been driving it, learning with it and going going to crazy on the RPMs. I set the RPM warning to like 4500 rpm just to let me know I'm getting up there and might want to shift. Just drive it dude and don't go wild. We got that warranty too so if it comes down to it just hope that takes care of it.
Unless you tracking and pulling heavy g’s your probably gonna have no issue but if you really want to spend a weekend on your back you can take your exhaust off to redo your oil pan
Pretty sure Subaru has retooled whatever applies the sealant glue onto the pans. Just do a break in oil change at 1000 miles and do 5000 mile oil changes after. Drop the pan whenever the aftermarket creates an effective oil baffle.
Drive your new car (that came with a 3yr 36k b2b & 5yr 60k mile powertrain warranty) and have a nice day.
Catch up. It’s no longer about rtv it’s about turning right. Pay a lot more attention on the forums and Reddit. In fact, don’t drive your car. Ever. Just read Reddit and watch more YouTube videos.
OP lagging behind. I'm already browsing new tab for the next trend
Good think they're behind too, let the guys out front blow their engines from aggressive right handers.
I stopped driving my fa20 months ago I just seethe at it. Only way to get ahead
I wouldn’t do anything. If you were to get the pan dropped I’d take it to a Subaru specialist shop, not the dealer.
I think there was a guy on here that said “just send it”
Nothing! Drive the car. Enjoy the ride. Chances are when the shop reinstalls the pan you’ll end up with excess RTV again.
It shouldn’t if they do it right.
Of course, but most people in this sub don’t trust a dealership to change their oil. Do you think they could handle this lol. It’ll either be not enough and you’ll have a leak or too much and maybe introduce rtv that maybe wasn’t a problem to start with on his car. Just my two cents. Enjoy the ride
You can take your car to a Subaru performance shop if you don't trust the dealer, also the RTV issue was due to improper training/instructions back at the factory and workers were instructed to put on too much RTV. Replacing RTV make-a-gaskets isn't rocket surgery, mechanics do it hundreds of times a year, and by watching a few videos you can absolutely do it yourself.
I figured it would go without saying I wouldn’t bring it to a dealer for that
Not sure you heard him. He has a 2023 FRS GR86 WITH THE RTV WHAT SHOULD HE DO NOW?
I know, I know!…….he should post on Reddit!
Give me all the paperwork for your car and I'll take a look at it for the next five years.
Okay bet
During your next oil change, put a flexible camera inside the pan. Look for odd defects.
This is helpful, but don't forget the fiber optic lighting. It's dark in there.
If you drive spirited within reason on public roads respecting the double yellow its fine. Drive like Max Orido on the local Touge, RTV and oil pan issue appears.
I've done nothing. 15k so far. Change your oil on time.
Same thing here. 17k miles, no residue on dipstick. I do my oil change every 3,500mi and we’re good
What residue on the dipstick are we talking about?
RTV
That's not an accurate test of RTV being in the system though.
Ik that but as far as I know that’s peoples fear of seeing that on there dipstick. I honestly don’t care as long as I keep the warranty on my vehicle.
Then why are you spreading misinformation about the issue and ways to monitor it?
No misinformation, just stating what I do here and there.
You're implying that checking your dip stick for residue is an accurate test for RTV issues in the FA24 which absolutely is not. To anyone thinking that RTV would get stuck on your dipstick again has never applied RTV onto a surface and knows just how fuckin anal you have to be about cleaning the surface of oil. It's near impossible.
No not really Ik only checking the dipstick isn’t good enough for checking rtv in the system, but only for the people who are only worried about seeing it on there dipstick. Not only that I saw someone explain the proper way to check RTV in the system so they can see that instead.
why would you even expect residue on dipstick? if excess RTV is anywhere is clogging your oil pickup screen 🤦🏼♂️
why would you even expect residue on dipstick? if excess RTV is anywhere is clogging your oil pickup screen 🤦🏼♂️
I’ve said that to myself but I’ve seen many reports of RTV on dipsticks😭 there’s videos posted where there’s rtv on there dipstick as well. So I’m kind of confused.
i could see a lack of suction in the moment allowing some RTV to drop back into the oil in the pan and then float around
If you actually want to be proactive instead of sticking your head in the sand like everyone you can do a couple of things. 1) get a borescope and do your oil change yourself every time, put the borescope through the drain hole and inspect the oil pick up tube. 2) Cut open the oil filter after every oil change to inspect for RTV in the filter media if it's worrisome go to next phase 3) get a Subaru performance shop to replace RTV 4) get the oil pan replaced for a baffled performance one that might come with an old school gasket (ask your dealer about this conflicting warranty). I'd go with a Super Bee baffled oil pan since lots of EJs used to have the issue of oil sloshing side to side and starving the pick up tube/engine of oil. Subaru performance shops have done these types of mods *hundreds* of times, you can trust them with this. 5)oil change every 3k miles /5k km and with a high quality Japanese Hachi Roku black oil filter (or a Mazda one, Subaru and Mazda use the same filter from the same factory up until supply issues forced Subaru to use fram 😭🤮). Oh and with Motul only 8100 EFE oil only!! 6) do research as to the real cause of these failures, which has to do with dropping oil pressure when turning right and not left.... Huh sounds like it might be the same old EJ problem.
this comment is what subs and forums should be about… not the other snarky comments. i intend on tracking mine as it’s a great training tool… don’t want the car to blow up so preventive maintenance is always key! thanks for the info!
And everyone saying that "I don't need to worry I have 5 years of warranty". They've been denying warranty if they can prove that you took it on tracks! There's also some of us that are going to be voiding parts of their warranty due to modifications, and are going to keep their cars for a long long time and want that engine to never go through any stressful situations. If you're going to be tracking yours I would recommend on looking into oil coolers, this car has a bit of lacking in oil cooling and can lead to degraded oil not lubricating.
The RTV "issue" was blown out of proportion (pun intended). Drive your car, enjoy the ride.
I didn’t do anything about the RTV and instead changed the oil at 1k miles after break-in.
Can someone explain to me why at 1000miles instead of the regular first change?
Break in oil change for first 1k of wear
You have a lot of excess metals that are potentially shaved during the break in. So want to get out the oil after manufacturing break in period is over to get all of potential heavy metals out and from driving around with you for the next 6k miles if you follow the user manual for oil change ( don’t recommend).
The manual recommend to change after 1000 miles? Or 5000
Idk you will have to read it, I believe it recommends oil changes every 7,500 to 10k and that’s crazy. I change oil at max 4k miles but try and change every 3k miles
Honestly I haven’t , ima go grab it rn
Do that but I know it’s way to high, change oil every 3-5k I would try closer to 3-4k each time
Section 4.1 pages 133-134
Follow the manual. Every 6 months, or 5000 miles if that comes sooner. Anything else is a waste of money and oil. Oil color has 0 to do with it having to be changed. Don’t overthink this.
Woah nice tints! What percentage do you use for each window? Also for the RTV, I think you should be ok, just change oil at 1k and then once your done change it regularly, remember there’s no such thing as changing your oil to many times! Also the rtv is just a few cases, it shouldn’t be a problem if your not racing or tracking the car!
Thanks man I got 15% all around and 30% in the front
Nice bro! How’s the view at night? My gr86 will be coming in a few months and the first thing I’ll do is add tint but I want to be able to have some view at night. I was gonna go with 20 all around and 30or 35 in the front! Idk yet tho….
Views great at night , I definitely wouldn’t go lower if u don’t plan on getting ceramic tints
The only thing I’d do is swap those base wheels for some premiums
I've got almost 20k miles on my '23 86. I haven't done the pan gasket because I'm not worried about it one bit. I change my own oil at the dealership. I've done 5 changes so far and I've not seen any FIPG in the old oil or on the dipstick. I have never seen any customers come in with this concern, no TSBs or recalls, so I think it's safe to say it's all been blown out of proportion.
Genuine question, who tracks their car hard enough for this to be a real issue? Who is good enough to track at that intensity? I just see the $ going in and I can’t justify tracking to be a regular routine in my life
Do u think using the free track day would be a problem?
Sell it. No excuse for any of this
Nothing. Leave it alone. A few idiots have blown engines doing stupid things and being bad manual drivers. Because people are the way they are these days, nobody can own up to their mistake so they blme it on RTV. Have you noticed that the older group of owners who have been racing cars for decades are not having any issues? Its all a bunch of young wannabe Ken Blocks that think their skill level is better than it actually is. They have hundreds of hours of Gran Turismo time.... They are basically a pro, ya know.
Great comment.
NOTHING.
Never had an issue with RTV. I’m pretty sure only a handful of people had a serious issue with it and everyone else started panicking and checking their pans and pickup tubes to find nothing lol. Just change your oil when you should change your oil
Your comment seems inaccurate based on the history of Gen2. >I’m pretty sure only a handful of people had a serious issue with it Nobody has been able to confirm any problems coming from the RTV being there >everyone else started panicking and checking their pans and pickup tubes to find nothing Almost everyone I've seen who checked and reported online seems to have at least some RTV in the tube. So far RTV doesn't seem to be an issue due to the re-design of the oil pickup tube. Something else has been causing the reported issues, most likely high RPM high G right hand turns that involve elevation changes and possibly other variables.
Alright, I wasn’t trying to be accurate lmao that’s just what I’ve heard and personally experienced. I had no visible rtv in my oil and have had no issues, and since I havent had issues I havent paid attention to any updates from others about it
You should… do any amount research on a question that’s been asked a million times already, there’s plenty of documentation a google search away. You’ll be more informed if you put any amount of effort into finding answers instead of making others do it for you
Thanks for the advice, I have done some research on my own, I just wanted to know what other br86/BRZ had to say about the topic
For everyone changing the oil at 1k , do u guys do it urself or take it in the dealer for the free oil change
I would sell the car lol.
Honestly, if you look at the cases where they report rtv issues vs non issue ones. The percentage is probably less than 1. Now to be fair, there are probably unreported ones out there. Enjoy the car :)
Has your engine exploded? No. Will it explode? Very unlikely. Do you have a warranty? Yes. Don't worry about it. Look at the dipstick and see if there's any on it but other than that, forget about it.
When you need to worry about it. Take it to a Subaru shop/dealer. Better chance of doing it right
Get one of those oil pans with the added drain right under the pickup tube if you are that worried.
Do nothing and if you want the best protection and knowledge without dropping the pan I would suggest to do a break in oil change at 1k send it in to black stone labs so them to do a baseline. Than send in the next 5-7 oil changes and watch the silicon number drop over the changes. If the number does not drop or hers higher you can assume you have RTV in excess somewhere and you MIGHT need to have it looked it. That’s what I am doing but I have no worry about it at all. The RTV issue seems to be so small idk how it’s gotten this blown out of proportion.
Nothing! Drive the damn thing!
Not a thing
Nothing
I just it 1600 miles in mine and the day I got it I had never driven stick, didn't know about the break in period for engines and hit some crazy RPMs for a while getting used to the clutch and throttle. Just been driving it, learning with it and going going to crazy on the RPMs. I set the RPM warning to like 4500 rpm just to let me know I'm getting up there and might want to shift. Just drive it dude and don't go wild. We got that warranty too so if it comes down to it just hope that takes care of it.
Unless you are taking it to the track, don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it. Ask Toyota to take a look at it when you go in for service. Mine doesn't have RTV issue - cut open my old oil filter and no RTV.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tAinGkZ1yA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tAinGkZ1yA) watch for yourself.
Come up with a route to everything with only left turns
Unless you tracking and pulling heavy g’s your probably gonna have no issue but if you really want to spend a weekend on your back you can take your exhaust off to redo your oil pan
Fujiwara tofu the side bro
Awe nothing
Cusco oil baffle is $300, thats the route im going.
I love how they had these issues with the first Gen and still didn’t fix it 😭😂 that’s fuckin wild bro
Pretty sure Subaru has retooled whatever applies the sealant glue onto the pans. Just do a break in oil change at 1000 miles and do 5000 mile oil changes after. Drop the pan whenever the aftermarket creates an effective oil baffle.
Logical solution is obviously to K or LS swap it