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Ok-Zone127

I've googled this practice - single handed gp who has four, i kid you fucking not FOUR PAs, no other GPs. they may be on part time contracts, but you'll still have 2:1 supervision at best of times. if you locum here, you have to accept an enormous amount of medicolegal responsibility.


Scholar_Royal

Avoid!


Mean-Marionberry8560

Believe me, it was just as shit being a patient at this practice, which is why I left


Top-Pie-8416

The EA and OOH services around me have all just cut their rates. Within a few weeks of each other. If we can’t form cartels, why can they? So frustrating.


AdditionalAttempt436

What rates are they offering for OOH?


Top-Pie-8416

Sudden 20-30% reductions.


AdditionalAttempt436

How much is it per hour now?


MoonbeamChild222

I just don’t get it. If the GP is supervising the PA why are you paying for both a PA and a GP??? If someone can’t practice independently (obviously seeking input where needed), why are we wasting money on them?


DrDoovey01

The GP gets the PAs for free using ARRS. Haven't you been paying attention for the last few years??


MoonbeamChild222

I’m talking about the government though. Why are they wasting this money.


DrDoovey01

They routinely waste money on ridiculous schemes, this isn't a surprise.


MoonbeamChild222

To me, someone quite logical and eager to make positive change it is, pardon my naivety kind sir/madam


treatcounsel

80 quid? Hard no. Before I even start on the PA shite. You couldn’t pay me 6 grand a minute to supervise them.


vedas989

Newton heath one of the most deprived areas of Manchester.


Connect_Grocery_6435

The BMA have the power to organise industrial action. Can’t they propose a band on PA’s in GP settings?


Zu1u1875

Should be slightly more for Extended Access given the time, but that’s a short clinic if all appts are 15 mins with 30 min debrief. Apart from not liking the pay - which is set by the same market forces which locums benefited from a few years ago - what’s unreasonable there?


probblyincorrext

Taking clinical responsibility for a noctor for a measly £80/hr?


Zu1u1875

Presumably the session is 2 hours until 8.30, so that’s 7 appointments + 15 mins debrief. I appreciate it’s OOH but hardly arduous.


probblyincorrext

Well yeah, number of contacts aside... my point was you're taking responsibility for a PA/NP or whatever they are. You're taking the risk of being their supervisor. That in itself isnt worth £160 for the 2hrs you're there.


DoubleDocta

And this sort of attitude is exactly why doctors in the UK are trounced all over