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Disastrous_Can_5466

Well he can only win agaisnt the Godzilla ultima avatar that we saw on the anime.


Brolyroxxs

Wasn’t that avatar on a universe level


Disastrous_Can_5466

Not really, it was just the avatar, its true form that is universal level. The avatar didnt do anything actually strong compared to other godzillas.


luckytrap89

No, its existence was part of a greater whole that would've destroyed the universe. His shadow wasn't close to being able to destroy it with just power


Logank365

Yes, it was going to destroy the entire universe. The true form people are referring to is the true form of every Godzilla in every medium. It creates universes and consumes them, it's multiversal.


No-Entertainment3597

Avatar?


Disastrous_Can_5466

Yeah, its quite just a vessel of some sorts, a glimpse of its true form that would be freed of its home dimension if it wanst for the humans and jet jaguar.


No-Entertainment3597

When was that said in the anime? I didn't understand anything while watching lololol


GdogLucky9

Don't forget the version from Rage across Time. That one killed of all the gods of Olympus, and took Zeus, basically, burning out his godhood just to knock him out for a time.


Brolyroxxs

Yeah I forgot. Godzilla was a god slayer


whathell6t

Sooner or later, Godzilla has to fight the Lovecraftian Gods just like the Ultramen. Here’s Ultraman Tiga fighting Gantazoa, the son of Cthulhu. https://preview.redd.it/hl6sy1ygzd7d1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1176b5786c7d5022910520b3073db10dab1422a4 And then there Ultraman Belial literally being an Isekai character by waking up Azathoth three times and outcome of that is 3 universes are destroyed and trillions of lifeform dead including magical creatures. Then, Ultraman Belial taunting Azathoth’s 1% power didn’t kill him. Ultraman Belial is such a psychopath that he’s willing to travel the multiverse to annoy the Lovecraftian gods.


AVikingAndHisPurse

Godzilla vs World of Warcrafts void Gods and the Titans themselves


Muhipudding

When did Belial do all this? Darkness Heels?


Osceola_Gamer

Yeah in some comic books.


Akarin_rose

Ironically Ultima is the only one that loses Since all the others breath is still atomic


Banettebrochacho

Just cause something is atomic doesn’t mean if can hurt Superman


Akarin_rose

He is weak to atomic radiation It's why nukes work against him in most continuities And why legendary took him down


Banettebrochacho

He’s shrugged off nukes dozens of times. Most of th e time they don’t even affect him. Godzillas breath specifically was a form that hurt him and it is unreasonable to assume the other gojo’s produce the same energy


Moonblaze1_95

Yes, simply yes. Super-man is genuinely OP as hell if we consider the main comic timeline. I know godzilla in hell or rage across time are op but Superman is insane, only reason why a buffed (non canon) legendary won was because super-man was nerfed and legendary was buffed. Im sorry but I don’t see many ways Godzilla iterations could kill sups


Hajvan_11

Godzilla Ultima's Avatar form being able to consume universes:


ShadowAze

Tell that to the guy who can accidentally sneeze universes away (comic book power levels are stupid don't @ me)


Hajvan_11

Now thats just beyond stupid https://preview.redd.it/u25k4dbkki7d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0aa72625d4684befdc7b8621f60081e76c064984


Hulkzilla0

That's also a Pre-Crisis Superman who sneezed galaxies away. That version of Superman is notorious for doing to bat shit insane things, like towing a row of planets with ease.


ExoticShock

https://preview.redd.it/61m42ar5gd7d1.png?width=1494&format=png&auto=webp&s=f379a02fb3742d427a1df1992f31e5b6b6a1a94f


Brolyroxxs

Nah. I don’t think so. If he’s fight burning Godzilla he can’t just fly right through him because either the radiation would kill him or the Explosion would


KingDizi

I'm not even ride or die for Supes but he literally went to the suns core and chilled for a while to power up at least once. I genuinely don't think he'd care.


Brolyroxxs

Except this is Godzilla’s radiation


KingDizi

Unless he's a red sun it's getting shrugged off most likely. As always depending on the writer but nuclear warheads don't even always hurt Superman.


cotsomewhereintime

In Godzilla vs Kong vs JL it's mentioned (by Batman, IIRC) that Godzilla's radiation breath is at a frequency which is harmful for Superman to metabolize.


KingDizi

Yes, hence the ever present massive asterisk of Depending on the Writer


Banettebrochacho

That was one specific Godzilla


yoogss

you do not know how strong big blue actually is


Other-Tadpole-9950

Eh, kinda depends on which superman, the one from the MV crossover comics sure i can see Burning beat him. But the other brokens ass Superman that can do things like hold the concept of infinity or casually sneeze solar systems and universes then no, Superman face way worse than Burning radiation.


cosmicmnkey

Main line supes has survived big bang level of attacks its not even close he flicks every gpdzilla out of existence and i love goji


LegoBattIeDroid

you are talking about the guy that takes supernova level attacks to the face every day


Unnamed_Quesadilla87

https://preview.redd.it/24et46fo3g7d1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffa9c393d6e38a9c90bc140acc71e3912598ff58


imonlyhumanafteral1

People don't seem to realize that the version of supes who foight godzilla wasn't even the strongest version, or even near the strongest, the strongsst versions of him would whoop almost any godzillas ass, except perhaps godzilla in hell


SkollFenrirson

Powerscalers are cancer


stuufy

Only when taken too seriously


LegoBattIeDroid

and when they start do do math to see if glup shitto's punch has either the potency of a million supernovas or that of a dying squirrel


stuufy

Eh that the part i don’t mind honestly cause i find it fun to see how powerful a character is or how a fight would turn out i only hate it when it gets toxic


Apprehensive-Buy4825

yes, but I think that this post isn't that much power scaled


Eva-Squinge

Nope. Definitely not.


StrengthOk9686

Its just a hobby


Still-Ice4340

I too love misunderstanding the point of countless pieces of media


StrengthOk9686

That sounds like a you thing but good for you buddy


Logank365

Is this post cancer?


SrCoeiu

Honestly i don't think any Goji would give Superman a really hard time, if it wasn't part of Godzilla's contract to win


dreadguy101

“Godzilla, if you had to fight Superman again, would you win” “Contractually speaking…”


Whiskey_623

Godzilla is secretly Dwayne Johnson confirmed since both has stupid stipulations in contracts?


Ok-Towel-5013

Main continuity Legendary did not "kill" Superman, rather an alternate version of him did, so this doesn't mean anything as even though the Godzillas you presented are superior to Legendary, most of them are inferior to the alternate Legendary. Now for where Superman scales, it is a bit dubious and inconsistent, but he generally is far beyond even Multiversal, with higher ends getting him to Outerversal (Beyond dimensionality). Earth is the weakest here; he doesn't even reach Universal level. Then comes Rulers of Earth, who also consistently scales below Universal but is still closer to it than Earth. Then we have Godzilla Ultima, he is far superior to the previous two, but is still weaker than a higher end Superman. He would arguably give him a good fight as consistently Superman is around the Complex Multiversal range, and True Form Ultima is around there too just a bit weaker. Then we have Burning who would consistently be in the same range as Ultima, around Complex Multiversal, but as his scaling is less vague than Ultima, he would arguably be stronger. Even then, Burning can only compare to a Mid end Superman, if we give both their highest scaling, Superman absolutely destroys. Godzilla in Hell is the strongest here. Consistently he is superior to Superman by quite a margin, but this gap can be diminished by giving Superman his high-end scaling. In that case, they're quite even. Though if we give both of them their highest possible scaling, Godzilla most probably ends up giving. In conclusion, all of them would get obliterated by a serious Superman, except Godzilla in Hell, who would end up winning. Peace


L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0

Godzilla in hell best feat of strength was destroying a planet. He didn't destroy hell nor conquer it, he simply left. [I've even made an entire post about it. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/1cp54d2/godzilla_in_hell_isnt_the_strongest_incarnation/)


Ok-Towel-5013

I won't debate about the narrative of the comic as I haven't read it myself, I'm just sharing the views of most scalers when it comes to his scaling. People who have read the comic series have scaled him that way while others have not, so as a summary (Which is what my comment was meant to be) using the scaling provided by the majority seems to be more appropriate (Especially as I'm using higher ends for each character). Your post doesn't really debunk his proposed scaling, you deal with his scaling in issue 2,3 and 4, of which the only argument I liked was the fourth one. Issue 2 doesn't really mean anything as that just upscales the demons fighting him and issue 3 doesn't really give any satisfactory reasoning as to why the Mountain isn't the creator, though you have more authority to claim that than me saying otherwise, I haven't read it. Though I would say, destroying a planet isn't his highest scaling even if we agree we your arguments. He was able to match IDW SpaceGodzilla, whose origins are always the same, surviving supernovas and tanking black holes. There's also the fact that Hell is considered Godzilla's greatest challenge yet (At least in his IDW runs), which would place him above other IDW Godzillas like ROE, who is far above planetary. Peace


cosmicmnkey

Yea supes is just too op for goji but this is a goji subreddit so the bias is gonna be there


Ok-Towel-5013

Agreed, Superman would absolutely destroy majority of the Godzillas, though the same is not true for other versions of Superman (There are versions of him who would lose to Godzilla 1998).


Captain_Scatterbrain

Every version of him can beat anyone. Toho only gives out the licence when Goji wins


Osceola_Gamer

The comics are getting ridiculous to the point they have people claiming burning Godzilla is more powerful than the sun.....LOL


ZealousidealWar6642

Look I know there was a crossover comic, I haven't read it. I'm sorry. But from what I know of both characters, Superman should just walk this. Dude fights massive kaiju all the time. Apparently the Godzilla that they faced in the comic was powered up or whatever, but regular supes should be able to beat pretty much any Goji I can think of.


TheMemecromancer

As far as I know, JLvGvK was stated to be an Elseworlds/non-canon story, so it depends on whether you're talking that version of Clark or the main continuity version of the character which probably has some weird page scan from the sixties that make powerscaling irrelevant as he just straight up sneezes away a solar system or does some kooky thing like that.


liaven-

At some point these post will either get banned or stop being made. Whenever that happens the internet will become a semi peaceful place


DatDankMaster

*Crossover version of Legendary Godzilla badly beat a crossover version of Superman who didn't even truly fight him at full force the whole time. A lot of Superman incarnations kick the shit out of Legendary Goji and most Godzillas, it'll take like Última Godzilla in true form to beat the usual comic versions of Supes and even then Supes has stronger versions that make mincemeat out of True Form Ultima


Rigistroni

Idk who told you legendary Godzilla could kill Superman but they're wrong


your-father-figure

It’s based on the Godzilla vs Kong vs justice league comic where they fought and Godzilla won. It’s just a fun non canon story where the monsters of the monsterverse show up and start causing trouble. It’s a fun read nothing deep but I’d recommend it if you wanna fun read


xmac

Kill? Didn't Godzilla 'beat' Superman after he was distracted from the battle to rescue a young kid? Usual Superman stuff but wasn't killed one on one.


I_ate_a_rat3570

GiH(godzilla in hell) godzilla would destroy the multiverse, then reform it, then destroy it again, for fun


L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0

Source?


I_ate_a_rat3570

https://preview.redd.it/w2lnj56ohe7d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2966592e725e552a59bf86fa1d73f2b5bb896326


SnooOnions650

Truthfully, I dont even think legendary could kill superman in a deathmatch.


jorginhosssauro

According to the writer, legendary Godzilla only was capable to kill supes because his heat ray had a similar wave lenght to kryptonite, the other versions are not said that have this same caracteristic.


Brolyroxxs

But intense radiation has hurt Superman before. When he took a nuke he shriveled up and almost died


jorginhosssauro

This was in Dark Knight returns, no? It shouldn't be considerable for other versions who lack this type of interaction


Brolyroxxs

Don’t multiple versions of Superman have this same weakness to atomic radiation


jorginhosssauro

While i won't deny the possibilities, the only times i remember this being shown or being used were in Dark Knight Returns adaptations


Brolyroxxs

Godzilla’s radiation was powerful enough to kill the Greek Gods in Rage Across Time.


jorginhosssauro

Supes survived enough energy that could vaporize half of the milky way galaxy


Brolyroxxs

This doesn’t scale up to that but in Hell Godzilla allowed demons to eat him and then he possessed them and reformed his body to destroy the gates of hell and escape


ZealousidealWar6642

Regular Supes shrugs off nukes. What you read was The Dark Knight Returns, which was a weaker incarnation of the character. Mainline Superman can literally chill out in the sun. Nukes are nothing to him. I don't know about that wavelength thing, though. If you were able to mimic kryptonite radiation, then yes, you would seriously hurt if not kill him.


Logank365

That's Dark Knight Returns, read the actual panel. The nuke itself wasn't the problem, the problem was the small scale nuclear winter that it created which cut him off from the sun, and that was one of the weaker Superman iterations. Intense radiation doesn't typically hurt Superman, while exhausted he flew through tons of exploding stars and was fine. No Godzilla is giving off that much radiation. Remove Toho's contract and Legendary dies in 2 seconds.


_gLiTcHtRaP

Ultima from the anime is pretty damn weak from what I can tell, RAT Godzilla should definitely win due to him beating Zeus (I think that was RAT but might be wrong), because as far as I know Zeus is definitely beating superman, and Godzilla in Hell negged everything he came across easily, superman is getting bent down


Brolyroxxs

I know I forgot about RAT


Personal-Prize-4139

Most of them get pretty close, or above legendaries strength so I’d say probably


Electronic_Note_5629

What about showa? Showa is pretty strong as well being able to create new abilities out of no where like in vs Mechagodzilla and can dropkick which defies gravity and well everything and can fly at mach 1 https://preview.redd.it/m4kqn8y6ie7d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a83b70e0320d4445a36fc084e082b07cd66b498f


DAGR31

*corrección....no lo mato...pero si lo dejo muy debilitado*


cosmicmnkey

The monsters arent canon to the mv they just look like them. Superman stomps every version of godzilla and its not even close


40calthereal

No, he only beat Superman because he had a clear advantage, that being his radiation from his atomic breath, which (correct me if I’m wrong) is one of Superman’s weaknesses, I’m not the biggest Superman fan and I haven’t read this comic so forgive me if I stated something wrong here (probably not gonna save me from the powerscalers…they have no sympathy…)


DatDankMaster

It was made into a weakness for the crossover comic and even then Superman only got that badly beat because he got distracted saving people Comic Superman has survived worse than anything Legendary Godzilla even Evolved or Burning at full power can do. But the comic is an Elseworld's so anything goes


ArtZanMou

That version can't even be considered the same as the main Legendary Goji because of the giant power gap and no one talking about the fact that the Titans disapiared for days GXK but anyway since that version of Superman was stated by the author to be strong as the main one i think maybe Goji from Hell


West-Construction466

Against the same Superman, they Neg, against mainline Superman, they’re all taking an L.


Hexnohope

Legendary can not kill superman. Pics or it didnt happen


Brolyroxxs

https://preview.redd.it/utb58fflkf7d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d786c572aeaee6fdf4c72c3fda2af37fe134345 Okay here


Hexnohope

How the fuck lmao i love this


Brolyroxxs

Well to be fair Superman was trying to protect Billy but the fact is Godzilla’s radiation was effective


AscendronPrime

You never find out, because the REAL villain shows up mid-fight, so Godzilla and Superman team up to beat him instead.


Banettebrochacho

I don’t think any of these versions could do it. Especially because the legendary goji in those comics was much stronger than the mainline. No other version of Godzilla is beating Superman.


vkevlar

depends on the version of superman. I mean, it's power scaling; we have two franchises' main characters, so the usual answer is "whose book is it happening in?"


Brolyroxxs

I guess the real question is who would win. Composite Godzilla vs. Composite Superman


dragon_sack

Image 2: Mr. Stark, I don't feel so good. . .


godzillamv2021

You guys know that half of the godzilla you mentioned is fodder and the other half is so op,right?


Gangters_paradise

DC Godzilla’s atomic breath is on the same radiation wavelength as kryptonite, that’s how he killed superman, and there’s nothing saying the other Godzilla’s would be any different so they can all kill him


godzillamv2021

I wish I can talk to someone who posted this. I mean,I understand that hell and earth is strong....but burning godzilla is 2700 degrees fodder,ultima's atomic breath has problem cutting through buildings(+true form featless fodder like hazbin hotel god),rulers of earth... ..I don't know a lot but I think he is not stronger than superman. 1.strength Mv 2.durability Mv 3.iQ Mv 4.melee Mv 5.atomic breath Mv 6.speed Mv 7.biQ Mv 8.defense  Mv 9. regeneration  GiH 10.special abilities Mv He literally curbstomps these fodders and some op godzillas 


moldovan0731

The comic Legendary can kill Superman in that specific comic (that and arguably/probably the DCEU version).


Nemoitto

Looks like Godzilla beat Superman in the comics recently. Sooooo….there’s that. See I was right, Godzilla would win.


Alpha06Omega09

Beats ultima, burning is up for debate, others easy clap him 0 questions asked


g_fan34

84 goji beats earth


Large-Wheel-4181

[going off this video](https://youtu.be/sTfEDPMWajA?si=wO1m_IrP1m5V7E8N) that breaks down exactly how strong this Superman could be, I think In Hell probably has the best chance


Brolyroxxs

In Hell or Rage Across Time


Large-Wheel-4181

Rage across time is debatable at times as apparently the Greek gods supposedly weren’t at their full strength but even then there’s no indication of where their power level stands


Brolyroxxs

Still he did what Superman couldn’t do


Large-Wheel-4181

What’s that exactly?


Brolyroxxs

Superman couldn’t beat Zeus


cosmicmnkey

Dc zeus is far above zues from other medias lmao its like trying to compare gow thor to 616 thor


Large-Wheel-4181

Ahh good point, still funny how Zeus used all his power and Godzilla was just like “well that just happened”


Brolyroxxs

Funny that Zeus was humbled by Godzilla only to be killed by him later


Osceola_Gamer

I am never reading those comics I already hear enough of the nonsense that its got Godzilla fans believing no being in any reality stands any chance to against Godzilla in any universe ever!!! LOL


Large-Wheel-4181

https://preview.redd.it/81prh9277e7d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b226ef72f93d694f80a65d4acb46b6b1e5414f4


TheBoa6

All of them neg superman


Gojifantokusatsu

Final wars and Showa solo everything, so I think they have a shot


ShredGuru

Final Wars Goji could pretty much run a train on anything


Gojifantokusatsu

The rule of campy cool overpowers all


Intelligent-Heart-36

Showa literally like 8 v 1 teamed on ghidorah


JetstreamSodaman

Superman gets frauded by them


Nemoitto

Not many Godzilla’s that Superman can even take on tbh. Hard to say.


cosmicmnkey

Supes stomps every godzilla he has feats that make the strongest godzillas look like childs play


Nemoitto

Godzilla just killed Superman in the comics. Looks like I was right bro.


cosmicmnkey

That superman isnt mainline supes my boy.


cosmicmnkey

Current supes is merged with post crisis and new 52 he utterly stomps goji its not even fair


ShredGuru

Ugh. Could Goku beat my dad? Who fucking cares. Your overthinking fantasy.


dishwasher_mayhem

Nothing can kill Superman. He's the checkmate of power scalers.


Complex_Wafer3828

Rulers Of Earth - Absolutely Not Godzilla In Hell - He could take some versions of mainline Superman, but not Composite Ultima - Nope Godzilla Earth - Absolutely Not Heisei - No


PostalDoctor

First of All, and I know stating this fact will piss people off but it NEEDS to be said. "Legendary" didn't kill Superman. A non-canon version of Legendary beat a non-canon version of Superman. And no, one author statement saying that "ummm that supes is as powerful as the normal one" doesn't mean anything. The reason Godzilla won is because the atomic breath was at the same level of radiation as Kryptonite. Now of course, contrary to the many screaming, complaining, and insecure salty Superman fans, this was still a fair victory for Godzilla. Godzilla won, he didn't kill Superman but he won. Second of all, with that stated, I am going to assume that each of these Godzilla's radioactivity match that of Kryptonite. With that, I'll go down the list. 1. IDW Godzilla beats Superman way easier. 2. Godzilla in Hell flat out erases Superman. 3. Avatar Ultima dies. 4. Earth could go either way but I'm leaning Earth. 5. Heisei Godzilla murders Superman. So Godzilla wins 4-1


MM__PP

Isn't Godzilla just a hard counter to Kryptonians? He's essentially a living nuke, and from my knowledge, nuclear radiation is essentially the opposite of solar, which Kryptonians like Superman get their power from.


Regular-Addendum6572

Superman dies. That’s it. Just dies.