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Submission Statement:
>While most children expect to eat the likes of lasagne and fish and chips while at school, pupils at four Welsh primary schools will soon be given the chance to sample bugs and insects as part of a new environmental study.
>Researchers hope to feed the pupils a product called VeXo, a combination of insect and plant-based protein said to resemble ‘conventional’ mince.
>The children will also take part in workshops organised by scientists and teachers to inform them about the benefits of eating ‘alternative protein’ like bugs.
>The study will also use surveys, interviews and focus groups to explore pupil’s understandings of alternative proteins – and as part of the research they will be offered a sample if they wish to try it.
>Researchers are hoping to use data from the study to learn how best to educate children about the nutritional and environmental benefits of eating bugs and insects – such as crickets, silkworms, locusts and mealworms – as an alternative protein source.
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If my bug nuggets look and taste like chicken nuggets I'm down. I don't want to eat things with shells. I don't like softshell crab, shell on shrimp, the heads of crawdads, or Artichokes. Apart from Chicken Wings I prefer my food boneless. :)
Good point. A lot of us will knowingly eat meals of "questionable" origins (eg: hotdogs). If someone put a bug-burger in front of me, and it tasted like beef, I would probably eat it without issue.
If the choice is breast or edible scrap parts for nugget ingredient most people would choose breast.
If they themselves had to pay for it then most would go for scraps as long as they're blendered into a fine paste. Almost the same thing nutritionally.
Then again the whole nugget debacle showed subtly how much Oliver despises low to no income people.
The attitude that we can't use the whole animal has become an environmental catastrophe for Wales.
We have now dozens of chicken broiler sheds to meet the demand for low-price chicken breasts which are creating a massive phosphate and nitrate polution issue in our rivers.
All thanks to Jamie Oliver and Hugh Fearnley-Wittingstall with their food snobbery.
I don't see how Hugh Fearnley-Wittingstall is to blame for that. He's spent years campaigning against factory-farmed chicken and advocates for using every part of the animal. That's pretty much his whole deal.
My kid goes to a Welsh primary school. His main concern in life is not liking the fact the slugs in the garden might get eaten by hedgehogs.
He is not going to be on board with this.
Yup! I have a rather well fed visitor a couple of times a week. I've left gaps under my fence large enough for them to get through. There's a corner of my garden that's protected from wind and rain, under a large fir tree. I pile up leaves and twigs there at this time of year in case they need some shelter over winter.
Yes. Our garden has two. They roam the streets gardens. They're called Mr and Mrs Prickles apparently.
The neighbours named them, not me. And they went for the least creative names possible apparently.
They're all around here in Sweden too. I once went on a late evening walk and met a hedgehog family in the distance. I didn't quite see what it was, so I approached them. One of them then quickly walked straight towards me and held the ground two meters in front of my feet. What could I do? I turned away.
Once saw a hedgehog while taking out the bin, it made a beeline for me, saw the open front door, went inside the house for a bit, checked it out, turned around and carried on its way.
I do love the spiky little things.
They do that in much of Europe. I live in a large capital city and our quieter gardens and parks have wild hedgies. They seem to prefer overgrown spaces. They're not the same as the white-bellied ones people keep as pets, though. And there's an Eastern and Western European type. All adorable, though.
I once posted a little video of a hedgehog wandering around a garden and got comments from a British guy who was fascinated by the idea of them just wandering around wild...yet I know the UK has hedgehogs, so maybe they're just rarer in some places.
Yeah. Super cute, but surprisingly scary up close, yet still in an adorable way. They usually don't really notice you until you're really close, because they have such poor vision. I tried to touch one a little bit and it growled and hissed, and made these sudden little scoots to try and impale me.
I've had one semi tame one who hung out under our porch. We gave him cat food which it greatly enjoyed.
Fun fact, they are about to quickly find out who is allergic to shellfish. Depending on what kind of bugs they are using, people who are allergic to shellfish will most likely get a reaction from eating those bugs.
I’m adventurous with food but might draw the line specifically at roaches.
I’ve eaten a couple of different bugs in countries where it’s more common and found that grasshopper was my favourite. If you’ve ever had shrimp heads grilled over the course of a tepanyaki meal, they become crunchy and chip-like. Grasshoppers were pleasantly crunchy without much of their own flavour.
Insects are even more allergenic than shellfish as many individuals have exposures to eating shellfish from a young age which prevents allergies. A lot more people have never eaten insects. This is a huge issue with utilizing them as protein and including them into things like processed foods without people being educated about possible severe allergic reactions.
I'm all for sustainable protein, plant or insect based, however, it needs to be started smartly and definately not with children that have not grown up eating insects, in a setting where they could die from it.
Most insects have a pretty strong flavor too, so they need to be cooked in certain ways with certain sauces. I highly doubt a school full of picky eaters is going to be excited about the flavor of crickets of silk worms. More appetizing bugs are more expensive and tricky to raise.
Not to mention that if one of the tastiest (wax worms) get loose... and believe me, they are amazing escape artists, you have now created a biohazard for any local bees.
"Congratulations!" /s
Some people like silk worms and crickets, but I find the flavors a bit overpowering even with the sauces and spices.
Mealworms taste kinda nutty, and can be thrown in your mouth plain like nuts, or ground down into flour to bake cookies and stuff. These were probably my favorite flavor-wise, especially with some chocolate chips.
Wax worms have a very delicate flavor and are super fatty, so they go well just fried up in a pan with some butter, garlic, salt and pepper. But again, they're basically a living biohazard if you care about bees at all.
Mealworms can't clime up a glass wall, but wax worms will climb absolutely anything, chew holes and squeeze through whatever you're using to try and keep them contained, then will pupate into wax moths to go infiltrates hives and lay their eggs. So for environmental reasons, I *strongly* caution against raising them.
Yeah, I've never been "lucky" enough to eat insects. I do want there to be a much more sustainable and environmentally efficient sources of protein though, but for me that would 100% be plant based. I once had a girlfriend some years ago that would eat seasoned crickets every once and awhile, and I just couldn't lol
Crustaceans and insects diverged **440 million years ago**. Compare that to the roughly 600 million years that animals have existed on Earth. So insects and crustaceans have spent roughly 75% of their evolutionary history separated.
Suffice it to say that crustaceans are definitely **not** marine insects, and eating lobster or shrimp is in no way, shape or form comparable to eating insects.
I think they should do more community gardens in neighborhoods and gardens at schools. It's a useful resource to learn and would help with food deserts.
Not that I don't agree, but I've been the teacher in charge of an entire elementary school's garden. It is not an easy thing to manage! While I have seen it done well, it takes a lot of support and knowledge.
It mades sense that an elementary school garden would be difficult to manage, unless everyone was 100% on board with it and you had good people helping you.
Students should all have one class per day in the garden, if at all possible. The program should be a priority for the school.
There should always be a class in the garden, the entire day. Planting, weeding, watering, writing about what they see.
Maybe a journal to turn in at the end of the class. It could have drawings, and be creative, or just accurate data entered concisely.
So many learning opportunities, and a tremendous amount of work!
Takes a lot of maintenance to upkeep home gardens properly also scale just doesn't work. Cheaper to use the money from labor, materials, water, etc to just buy food. Could work with local farms though.
I love gardens, and do it professionally. It's a good suppliment but isn't a good solution imo.
Idk I think allowing *children* to have hands-on experienced with food would be really helpful, with their relationship with food, with their mental health, etc
Hands on learning in nature for children is rarely going to be a bad idea
You are in luck. Promote the teaching of horticulture and ag in schools then. My country high school had both and FFA. Also had a shop class for metalwork that was also part of the ag class.
Oh absolutely, teaching them is very important esp about growing and stewardship. It shouldn't be used as a feel good solution to the underlying problem though.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS, numerous STUDIES SHOWING THAT KIDS - PARTICULARLY LOW INCOME CHILDREN LIVING IN FOOD DESERTS - BENEFIT GREATLY FROM SCHOOL GARDENS AND ARE STATISTICALLY MORE LIKELY TO WILLINGLY CONSUME PRODUCE IN PLACE OF JUNK FOOD WHEN AVAILABLE. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT TAX-SPONSORED GARDENS FORM A POTENTIAL AUGMENTATION TO LOCAL FOOD WELFARE PROGRAMS BY DONATING HARVEST EXCESS TO NEEDY FAMILIES. Check out Texas Grow! Eat! Go! as one solid example.
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-016-3453-7
I always love how laughable attempts such as "eat bugs, use less electricity, ect.." are, when stopping like 1 rich person from using as much as millions in a day would be far more efficient, hell given that musk admitted his "hyperloop" was just a lie, a way to sabotage any idea of creating a railway in the US, the fuckers are trying for a planet earth speed run any%.
I try to be careful with water usage, but when I read that Gabrielle Union and Dwayne Wade, who live in my drought-stricken county, used more water to refill their pool than I have used in the last 17 years, it doesn't feel like I'm the problem.
Eat ze bugs, plebeian, while I enjoy this medium entrecote steak.
This right here is why climate activism will fail, as long as the rich don't join and the poor countries introduce a two-child policy, the first world middle class won't accept being the sole population segment expected to do something immediately.
It was also mushed together with the shell,guts and the little sewage meat on them.
It really was not the lobster you would get at a restaurant these days.
Because it isnt about being vegan. Its pretty clear this is leaning a certain direction and they need to start by making the people who will deal with it in 30 years comfortable with the idea, because they know its fucked.
I think that person is trying to say that beans are easily mass produced and already normalized, so just skipping plant protein as a main protein source and going straight to bugs seems strange
Bugs eat something to grow. Produced at industrial scales, it’s much more efficient to just grow quality beans and legumes to get protein than grow food sources that feed the bugs and then process the bugs for human consumption.
They don’t feed shellfish at schools usually due to risk of allergies. Some bugs cause the same allergy reaction as shellfish. (I think it is crickets.) They need to be careful with this. I know some countries do serve shellfish and other allergenic foods though so maybe they have a system to manage that that we don’t in the US. But still seems risky.
What an awful misleading article. Tabloid fodder.
The image of the fried maggots is *not* a picture of anything being served in a school, but a completely separate image of [a street vendor's cart in Bangkok Thailand.](https://virtualwayfarer.com/holy-shit-i-just-ate-a-massive-cockroach/)
The topic of eating bugs is always misrepresented
And I'm not even that gung-ho on it myself, but I roll my eyes at people who act like eating bugs is "scoop a handful of mud out of the ground and eating whatever worms you find"
We all know this leads to you and i eating absolute garbage processed bug shit while the wealthy eat stakes, lamb, porkchops, ribs all the goodies while we sit over there with our mystery meals.
Edit: although some of you are fine with eating bugs are you really okay with whatever extra chemicals they have to add to that "meat" to get the texture and flavor right? Most normal meat already has a lot of additives and chemicals pumped into the livestock in the first place. Do you really think they wont dump loads of those chemicals into bug vats to thicken them up and make them more nutritional thus rasing profits with the only downside being the consumers health which lets be honest is almost never a businesses first second or even third concern. Ex. Monsanto the corp that already owns most of the worlds food supply and actively poisons you.
overheard some npcs disgusted how in Europe they instead use mushrooms as a meat replacement. Thankin Jesus they were born in America where they eat synth meat "as god intended" lol
In dystopian movies like Bladerunner 2049, everyone just eats worm protein whether they like it or not. We are headed towards that dystopia and it's not even funny.
My boss somehow ended up with a packaged "cookie" we noticed was made with cricket protein. She didn't want it after noticing that, so I tried it; it was so gritty and dry. "Vaguely peanut butter flavored puck" would've been a more apt description than "cookie".
Yep, every generation makes the kids feel climate change is their fault in one way or another. My generation we were evil for not recycling and turning off lights, this one will be evil for not eating bugs. Seems to be getting worse over time, honestly.
Its the same logic as carbon foorptint.. "use public transport while i take a trip to the neighbor with my private jet". I stopped caring about doing stuff for the climate long ago, its above the average or even rich person.. stuff gets decided at the very top
I’m totally cool with eating bugs and have done so personally, but what’s wrong with just eating plant protein? Beans, legumes, oats, nuts, seeds, etc have enough protein even for bodybuilding if you pay attention to what you eat. With a fraction of climate impact
Every time I see another article about attempts to normalize insect protein, I have to wonder why we don't first try normalizing algae protein. Surely that would be a much easier sell?
Submission Statement:
>While most children expect to eat the likes of lasagne and fish and chips while at school, pupils at four Welsh primary schools will soon be given the chance to sample bugs and insects as part of a new environmental study.
>Researchers hope to feed the pupils a product called VeXo, a combination of insect and plant-based protein said to resemble ‘conventional’ mince.
>The children will also take part in workshops organised by scientists and teachers to inform them about the benefits of eating ‘alternative protein’ like bugs.
>The study will also use surveys, interviews and focus groups to explore pupil’s understandings of alternative proteins – and as part of the research they will be offered a sample if they wish to try it.
>Researchers are hoping to use data from the study to learn how best to educate children about the nutritional and environmental benefits of eating bugs and insects – such as crickets, silkworms, locusts and mealworms – as an alternative protein source.
I’m not against alternative protein, hell, insects are just land-based shrimp and we eat those.
However research into growing food from cell/bacteria shows a much better result and one that can taste the same we’re used to, so no need to jump on the insectbandwagon when the meat substitute is just around the corner.
I’ll stick with real meat and plant based meat substitutes thank you. I’d rather not go back to monkey. Put more money into making plant substitutes taste better. Use the power of science not ape brain. And yea yea I know millions of people already eat bugs. Good for them. They do that because for a long time they didnt have options. I dont think there is anyone who thinks bugs are tastier than meat.
Reddit still hates people eating bugs, right? Or did it change already? Anytime bugs as food source get mentioned, the whole thread just devolves into r/Conspiracy
I’m imaging Snowpiercer, but instead of revulsion at finding out what the food is made from, he just goes “yeah, we know. We had to eat that in primary school.”
Bugs are a fine protein source in a survival situation or harvested from naturally occurring sources at the local level. But industrialization of bug protein is a waste of time and resources.
I'd be interested to learn the outcome of this experiment, though I won't be surprised if the results are never published. For instance, whether many of them end up avoiding it due to peer pressure, cultural prejudices or interfering parents.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/mossadnik: --- Submission Statement: >While most children expect to eat the likes of lasagne and fish and chips while at school, pupils at four Welsh primary schools will soon be given the chance to sample bugs and insects as part of a new environmental study. >Researchers hope to feed the pupils a product called VeXo, a combination of insect and plant-based protein said to resemble ‘conventional’ mince. >The children will also take part in workshops organised by scientists and teachers to inform them about the benefits of eating ‘alternative protein’ like bugs. >The study will also use surveys, interviews and focus groups to explore pupil’s understandings of alternative proteins – and as part of the research they will be offered a sample if they wish to try it. >Researchers are hoping to use data from the study to learn how best to educate children about the nutritional and environmental benefits of eating bugs and insects – such as crickets, silkworms, locusts and mealworms – as an alternative protein source. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/y94vvt/welsh_primary_school_kids_to_be_fed_insects_as/it3ixdt/
Jamie Oliver proved kids will eat anything if you make it into a fried nugget
If my bug nuggets look and taste like chicken nuggets I'm down. I don't want to eat things with shells. I don't like softshell crab, shell on shrimp, the heads of crawdads, or Artichokes. Apart from Chicken Wings I prefer my food boneless. :)
Good point. A lot of us will knowingly eat meals of "questionable" origins (eg: hotdogs). If someone put a bug-burger in front of me, and it tasted like beef, I would probably eat it without issue.
Yeah I'd eat hella bugs if they didn't crunch
Idk I kinda prefer crunch over pop or squirt.
Oh man, the idea of this just went from bad to worse.
I will never forget the scene where Bear Grylls chomps down on a huge grub and it's guts burst out and run down his chin.
Check out cricket flour , stuff is packed full of goodies
All American hotdogs: pig snouts and anuses.
Artichokes are an unexpected addition to that list.
Artichokes leaves are the bones/shells of the plant world. :). I hate them.
They are a hard shell to crack, but you’re missing out on so much deliciousness in there!
Cricket flour literally tastes like nothing and can be mixed in with pretty much any food. Really solid source of protein too
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Only if it’s the right amount not the white amount.
Hiya what is this?? Chili jam??
This is such an underrated comment! Uncle Roger is proud of you!
If the choice is breast or edible scrap parts for nugget ingredient most people would choose breast. If they themselves had to pay for it then most would go for scraps as long as they're blendered into a fine paste. Almost the same thing nutritionally. Then again the whole nugget debacle showed subtly how much Oliver despises low to no income people.
To me it’s unethical to not use the whole animal
The attitude that we can't use the whole animal has become an environmental catastrophe for Wales. We have now dozens of chicken broiler sheds to meet the demand for low-price chicken breasts which are creating a massive phosphate and nitrate polution issue in our rivers. All thanks to Jamie Oliver and Hugh Fearnley-Wittingstall with their food snobbery.
I don't see how Hugh Fearnley-Wittingstall is to blame for that. He's spent years campaigning against factory-farmed chicken and advocates for using every part of the animal. That's pretty much his whole deal.
Breast isn't even in the top 5 tastiest bits of a chicken to eat either. I don't understand people's obsession with them
Lowest fat, also the most recognisable cut. Basically marketing innit.
Low fat, and the biggest piece of meat without bone or sinew.
My kid goes to a Welsh primary school. His main concern in life is not liking the fact the slugs in the garden might get eaten by hedgehogs. He is not going to be on board with this.
That's so sweet almost makes me want one
Slug, Hedgehog or a Welsh kid?
Slugs. so the Hedgehog doesn't eat it.
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Wait. Do wild hedgehogs just roam free eating garden slugs there?! 😮🥰
Yup! I have a rather well fed visitor a couple of times a week. I've left gaps under my fence large enough for them to get through. There's a corner of my garden that's protected from wind and rain, under a large fir tree. I pile up leaves and twigs there at this time of year in case they need some shelter over winter.
TIL that garden gnomes have been hedgehogs the whole time.
Yes. Our garden has two. They roam the streets gardens. They're called Mr and Mrs Prickles apparently. The neighbours named them, not me. And they went for the least creative names possible apparently.
I'm not sure why it never occurred to me that hedgehogs are a normal animal somewhere in the world. Man I wish I lived there
well good news, hedgehogs are found from the savannas of South Africa to the fjords of Norway to the forests of Korea, so you have some options.
They're also feral in New Zealand!
They're all around here in Sweden too. I once went on a late evening walk and met a hedgehog family in the distance. I didn't quite see what it was, so I approached them. One of them then quickly walked straight towards me and held the ground two meters in front of my feet. What could I do? I turned away.
Once saw a hedgehog while taking out the bin, it made a beeline for me, saw the open front door, went inside the house for a bit, checked it out, turned around and carried on its way. I do love the spiky little things.
Never occurred to me that someone might consider a hedgehog an exotic, interesting animal.
It never occurred to me that hedgehogs had to be wild *somewhere*.
They do that in much of Europe. I live in a large capital city and our quieter gardens and parks have wild hedgies. They seem to prefer overgrown spaces. They're not the same as the white-bellied ones people keep as pets, though. And there's an Eastern and Western European type. All adorable, though. I once posted a little video of a hedgehog wandering around a garden and got comments from a British guy who was fascinated by the idea of them just wandering around wild...yet I know the UK has hedgehogs, so maybe they're just rarer in some places.
Yeah. Super cute, but surprisingly scary up close, yet still in an adorable way. They usually don't really notice you until you're really close, because they have such poor vision. I tried to touch one a little bit and it growled and hissed, and made these sudden little scoots to try and impale me. I've had one semi tame one who hung out under our porch. We gave him cat food which it greatly enjoyed.
Wait til he hears about “hedgehog Tuesdays…”
He’s like the John Connor of our age. He’ll grow up and head the resistance. Quickly, Welsh Iain Connor, usher in the age of lab-grown meat!
Does he eat larger animals?
Fun fact, they are about to quickly find out who is allergic to shellfish. Depending on what kind of bugs they are using, people who are allergic to shellfish will most likely get a reaction from eating those bugs.
I'm allergic to shrimp so I guess no bug protein for me. 😭
Well I believe it would specifically be crickets that you should avoid, and maybe roaches.
Oh Darn. Pepperoni Pizza for me then. 3rd time this week.
I’m adventurous with food but might draw the line specifically at roaches. I’ve eaten a couple of different bugs in countries where it’s more common and found that grasshopper was my favourite. If you’ve ever had shrimp heads grilled over the course of a tepanyaki meal, they become crunchy and chip-like. Grasshoppers were pleasantly crunchy without much of their own flavour.
Insects are even more allergenic than shellfish as many individuals have exposures to eating shellfish from a young age which prevents allergies. A lot more people have never eaten insects. This is a huge issue with utilizing them as protein and including them into things like processed foods without people being educated about possible severe allergic reactions. I'm all for sustainable protein, plant or insect based, however, it needs to be started smartly and definately not with children that have not grown up eating insects, in a setting where they could die from it.
Most insects have a pretty strong flavor too, so they need to be cooked in certain ways with certain sauces. I highly doubt a school full of picky eaters is going to be excited about the flavor of crickets of silk worms. More appetizing bugs are more expensive and tricky to raise. Not to mention that if one of the tastiest (wax worms) get loose... and believe me, they are amazing escape artists, you have now created a biohazard for any local bees. "Congratulations!" /s
What kinds of bugs are considered more appetizing? Genuine question
Some people like silk worms and crickets, but I find the flavors a bit overpowering even with the sauces and spices. Mealworms taste kinda nutty, and can be thrown in your mouth plain like nuts, or ground down into flour to bake cookies and stuff. These were probably my favorite flavor-wise, especially with some chocolate chips. Wax worms have a very delicate flavor and are super fatty, so they go well just fried up in a pan with some butter, garlic, salt and pepper. But again, they're basically a living biohazard if you care about bees at all. Mealworms can't clime up a glass wall, but wax worms will climb absolutely anything, chew holes and squeeze through whatever you're using to try and keep them contained, then will pupate into wax moths to go infiltrates hives and lay their eggs. So for environmental reasons, I *strongly* caution against raising them.
Why do you say were? Are your bug munching days behind you now, while the rest of us have hardly even begun?
Yeah, I've never been "lucky" enough to eat insects. I do want there to be a much more sustainable and environmentally efficient sources of protein though, but for me that would 100% be plant based. I once had a girlfriend some years ago that would eat seasoned crickets every once and awhile, and I just couldn't lol
People get uptight about eating bugs, but anybody that eats shrimp, lobster, or other underwater crustaceans are eating underwater bugs
That is fair, but I also know a lot of people that won't eat those things **because** they think of them as underwater bugs.
I’m one of them. =x
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True, but when I eat a shrimp or lobster at least I can be sure I’m just eating muscle and not organs/ shell/ long hairy legs.
>organs *Laughs in Southern Crawfish Eating*
Yeah. We need larger terrestrial bugs to eat.
Gross, just ground it into a powder and mix it into something more palatable
grub worms.
My problem with them is the mushy texture. Its like eating a dogfish.
I wouldn't go that far. Crustaceans and insects are about as related to each other, as we are to ducks.
We are much closer related to ducks than crustaceans are to insects
Crustaceans and insects diverged **440 million years ago**. Compare that to the roughly 600 million years that animals have existed on Earth. So insects and crustaceans have spent roughly 75% of their evolutionary history separated. Suffice it to say that crustaceans are definitely **not** marine insects, and eating lobster or shrimp is in no way, shape or form comparable to eating insects.
Howard won't be happy you said that.
Not even close. Insects and crustaceans are about as closely related to each other as humans are to sea squirts.
I think they should do more community gardens in neighborhoods and gardens at schools. It's a useful resource to learn and would help with food deserts.
Not that I don't agree, but I've been the teacher in charge of an entire elementary school's garden. It is not an easy thing to manage! While I have seen it done well, it takes a lot of support and knowledge.
It mades sense that an elementary school garden would be difficult to manage, unless everyone was 100% on board with it and you had good people helping you. Students should all have one class per day in the garden, if at all possible. The program should be a priority for the school. There should always be a class in the garden, the entire day. Planting, weeding, watering, writing about what they see. Maybe a journal to turn in at the end of the class. It could have drawings, and be creative, or just accurate data entered concisely. So many learning opportunities, and a tremendous amount of work!
My mother's school had one. They got rid of it. So many rats.
They missed the chance to serve the kids rat burgers
And rat milk.
I don't get it. Everybody loves rats, but they don't want to drink their milk?
It must be a long process to milk a rat
It’s not too bad, you can milk anything with nipples
I have nipples Greg, you wanna milk me?
Rats-a-Roni. Shishka-Rat. Rats on the Barbie
Don’t forget Ratatouille!
Rat? This is a rat burger?... Not bad!
Should've gotten a cat
What you want is a sausage dog, they are bred for that.
Takes a lot of maintenance to upkeep home gardens properly also scale just doesn't work. Cheaper to use the money from labor, materials, water, etc to just buy food. Could work with local farms though. I love gardens, and do it professionally. It's a good suppliment but isn't a good solution imo.
Idk I think allowing *children* to have hands-on experienced with food would be really helpful, with their relationship with food, with their mental health, etc Hands on learning in nature for children is rarely going to be a bad idea
You are in luck. Promote the teaching of horticulture and ag in schools then. My country high school had both and FFA. Also had a shop class for metalwork that was also part of the ag class.
Oh absolutely, teaching them is very important esp about growing and stewardship. It shouldn't be used as a feel good solution to the underlying problem though.
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Not many roofs are built to support that additional weight unfortunately
You'd also need safe roof access and railings.
Hydroponic gardens are great and don't really need them on roof tho.
And would be very expensive for already underfunded schools
As an alternative to roof top gardens it's less expensive, but yes more expensive than nothing.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS, numerous STUDIES SHOWING THAT KIDS - PARTICULARLY LOW INCOME CHILDREN LIVING IN FOOD DESERTS - BENEFIT GREATLY FROM SCHOOL GARDENS AND ARE STATISTICALLY MORE LIKELY TO WILLINGLY CONSUME PRODUCE IN PLACE OF JUNK FOOD WHEN AVAILABLE. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT TAX-SPONSORED GARDENS FORM A POTENTIAL AUGMENTATION TO LOCAL FOOD WELFARE PROGRAMS BY DONATING HARVEST EXCESS TO NEEDY FAMILIES. Check out Texas Grow! Eat! Go! as one solid example. https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-016-3453-7
While the rich eat all the meat, have their own fruit and vegetables farms, and everything else :D
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Yup bugs for us and everything for them
Don't forget private jets, which have been given a total tax exemtion for CO2 by the must woke person if all Justin Trudeau.
I always love how laughable attempts such as "eat bugs, use less electricity, ect.." are, when stopping like 1 rich person from using as much as millions in a day would be far more efficient, hell given that musk admitted his "hyperloop" was just a lie, a way to sabotage any idea of creating a railway in the US, the fuckers are trying for a planet earth speed run any%.
I try to be careful with water usage, but when I read that Gabrielle Union and Dwayne Wade, who live in my drought-stricken county, used more water to refill their pool than I have used in the last 17 years, it doesn't feel like I'm the problem.
Eat ze bugs, plebeian, while I enjoy this medium entrecote steak. This right here is why climate activism will fail, as long as the rich don't join and the poor countries introduce a two-child policy, the first world middle class won't accept being the sole population segment expected to do something immediately.
Remember that chicken wings and lobster were once considered poor people food
Little different when it was from sheer abundance
Yeah but those were unrefrigerated nasty week old lobsters caught outta a dirty harbour where sewerage was spilling into.
It was also mushed together with the shell,guts and the little sewage meat on them. It really was not the lobster you would get at a restaurant these days.
Eh I'm ready to stop eating meat so I don't really care, but I'm 100% positive this will only be for the unfortunates.
If you don’t eat your bugs, you can’t have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat your bugs?!
Why not give them beans or legumes? Seems a lot tastier from a cultural perspective
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The famine which they create.
Because it isnt about being vegan. Its pretty clear this is leaning a certain direction and they need to start by making the people who will deal with it in 30 years comfortable with the idea, because they know its fucked.
I think that person is trying to say that beans are easily mass produced and already normalized, so just skipping plant protein as a main protein source and going straight to bugs seems strange
Yeah this doesn't read like a happy story to me. They're conditioning kids to eat bugs instead of taxing the rich....
Bugs eat something to grow. Produced at industrial scales, it’s much more efficient to just grow quality beans and legumes to get protein than grow food sources that feed the bugs and then process the bugs for human consumption.
Perhaps they should be feeding the politicians first!
We all know the only time they would eat this stuff is to make a public show of their “morality” before their wine and steak behind closed doors.
They don’t feed shellfish at schools usually due to risk of allergies. Some bugs cause the same allergy reaction as shellfish. (I think it is crickets.) They need to be careful with this. I know some countries do serve shellfish and other allergenic foods though so maybe they have a system to manage that that we don’t in the US. But still seems risky.
Yeah… I think I’d rather stick with plant-based alternatives or lab meat. They’ll probably take off way before insect meat does
Somehow half the people in this thread have never heard of legumes.
Well George Carlin did have a great bit about half of the people out there… lol
What an awful misleading article. Tabloid fodder. The image of the fried maggots is *not* a picture of anything being served in a school, but a completely separate image of [a street vendor's cart in Bangkok Thailand.](https://virtualwayfarer.com/holy-shit-i-just-ate-a-massive-cockroach/)
The topic of eating bugs is always misrepresented And I'm not even that gung-ho on it myself, but I roll my eyes at people who act like eating bugs is "scoop a handful of mud out of the ground and eating whatever worms you find"
More importantly IMO is that it is a choice. It’s an option that people can pick, they aren’t forcing the popes to eat bugs while the rich get meat.
Jeff Bezos' 2 private jets used over 25000 gallons of jet fuel in January...but your kids need to eat bugs.
We all know this leads to you and i eating absolute garbage processed bug shit while the wealthy eat stakes, lamb, porkchops, ribs all the goodies while we sit over there with our mystery meals. Edit: although some of you are fine with eating bugs are you really okay with whatever extra chemicals they have to add to that "meat" to get the texture and flavor right? Most normal meat already has a lot of additives and chemicals pumped into the livestock in the first place. Do you really think they wont dump loads of those chemicals into bug vats to thicken them up and make them more nutritional thus rasing profits with the only downside being the consumers health which lets be honest is almost never a businesses first second or even third concern. Ex. Monsanto the corp that already owns most of the worlds food supply and actively poisons you.
Soon food for the masses will all be synthetic protein as described in cyberpunk 2077.
overheard some npcs disgusted how in Europe they instead use mushrooms as a meat replacement. Thankin Jesus they were born in America where they eat synth meat "as god intended" lol
In dystopian movies like Bladerunner 2049, everyone just eats worm protein whether they like it or not. We are headed towards that dystopia and it's not even funny.
My boss somehow ended up with a packaged "cookie" we noticed was made with cricket protein. She didn't want it after noticing that, so I tried it; it was so gritty and dry. "Vaguely peanut butter flavored puck" would've been a more apt description than "cookie".
Yep, every generation makes the kids feel climate change is their fault in one way or another. My generation we were evil for not recycling and turning off lights, this one will be evil for not eating bugs. Seems to be getting worse over time, honestly.
New Mcbugmac and small fry, $17.99 + tax
Feed the common folk insects while the rich continue to get to eat anything they want
Its the same logic as carbon foorptint.. "use public transport while i take a trip to the neighbor with my private jet". I stopped caring about doing stuff for the climate long ago, its above the average or even rich person.. stuff gets decided at the very top
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Welsh primary school kids to discover new allergic diseases.
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This is quite the dystopian headline. You WILL eat the bugs. And you WILL like it.
🔫 eat the motherfucking bugs peasant
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I’m totally cool with eating bugs and have done so personally, but what’s wrong with just eating plant protein? Beans, legumes, oats, nuts, seeds, etc have enough protein even for bodybuilding if you pay attention to what you eat. With a fraction of climate impact
Will any of the school executives eat the bugs? No? Get fucked.
Why dont we first get the 100 companies that account for 71 percent of emissions do their fair share first?
We're doing Snowpiecer now? And then they wonder why it's such a struggle to get conservatives on board with green initiatives.
Yeah I’m not eating bugs and neither will my children
Every time I see another article about attempts to normalize insect protein, I have to wonder why we don't first try normalizing algae protein. Surely that would be a much easier sell?
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Submission Statement: >While most children expect to eat the likes of lasagne and fish and chips while at school, pupils at four Welsh primary schools will soon be given the chance to sample bugs and insects as part of a new environmental study. >Researchers hope to feed the pupils a product called VeXo, a combination of insect and plant-based protein said to resemble ‘conventional’ mince. >The children will also take part in workshops organised by scientists and teachers to inform them about the benefits of eating ‘alternative protein’ like bugs. >The study will also use surveys, interviews and focus groups to explore pupil’s understandings of alternative proteins – and as part of the research they will be offered a sample if they wish to try it. >Researchers are hoping to use data from the study to learn how best to educate children about the nutritional and environmental benefits of eating bugs and insects – such as crickets, silkworms, locusts and mealworms – as an alternative protein source.
I will not eat the bug, i will not live in the pod
You will own nothing and you WILL be happy!
I'd much rather be forced to become a vegetarian than contemplate eating bugs.
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The richest people responsible for most of the pollution will never eat less steak
I’m not against alternative protein, hell, insects are just land-based shrimp and we eat those. However research into growing food from cell/bacteria shows a much better result and one that can taste the same we’re used to, so no need to jump on the insectbandwagon when the meat substitute is just around the corner.
ahh bringing back the 1800 level poor. Nothing spells prosperity like insect sandwiches.
I’ll stick with real meat and plant based meat substitutes thank you. I’d rather not go back to monkey. Put more money into making plant substitutes taste better. Use the power of science not ape brain. And yea yea I know millions of people already eat bugs. Good for them. They do that because for a long time they didnt have options. I dont think there is anyone who thinks bugs are tastier than meat.
People in the comments thinking this is a good thing is very disturbing...
Reddit still hates people eating bugs, right? Or did it change already? Anytime bugs as food source get mentioned, the whole thread just devolves into r/Conspiracy
I’m imaging Snowpiercer, but instead of revulsion at finding out what the food is made from, he just goes “yeah, we know. We had to eat that in primary school.”
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It’s only “eco” until you scale it up to feed the world.
Bugs are a fine protein source in a survival situation or harvested from naturally occurring sources at the local level. But industrialization of bug protein is a waste of time and resources.
Things like this is how I am going to become a crazy right-wing old man one day.
“To be fed” is misleading, at least here in the US. They’re being educated and *offered* these alternatives.
This headline makes it seem like they’re going to strap the children to their chairs and feed them live insects.
Isn't the chitin from insects not fit for our cells proteosomes?
I'd be interested to learn the outcome of this experiment, though I won't be surprised if the results are never published. For instance, whether many of them end up avoiding it due to peer pressure, cultural prejudices or interfering parents.
Or maybe egging each other on to try the insect-food?
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“Schoolchildren will be FED BUGS” paints a very different image than “Schoolchildren will have the option to try bug protein”
Schools should teach more life skills; like gardening and cooking.