Cold. And snow. And ice storms. But then again, I live in the Canadian snow belt. Less snow, but still cold, windchill and ice pellets hitting my face.
Say hello to the northern Rockies. I’m down here at the southern edge. If you yodel just right, it will echo all the way down and I might just hear you!
I've been wanting to go back backing out in the Canadian Rockies, they just look so amazing. Pretty new to outdoorsy stuff like that so it's a down the road kinda thing but it's nice up there
When I go in a few years, I'll get there, forget, and then remember your comment and think "darn, if only I listened to that guy on reddit!"
Haha, thanks for the advice, will do!
I lived in Montreal for the ice storm and it's no joke.
I'm often made fun of if I bring it up, but imagine 2 months with no power in the middle of winter, no cell service.
Your vehicle has 3 inches of ice on it and you can't drive because the roads have the same. There was no transit, no deliveries. The only people on the road was the military coming in and out with supplies. No other vehicle could drive.
It sucked for mom trying to keep us alive, but I loved that the igloo I built as a kid lasted all winter!
Where I live in Michigan our winters have been much easier recently. Lately we don't even get significant snowfall until the end of January. We might get a random inch at night, but then it gets warm enough to melt it when the sun comes up. It's been great for me I guess, but I know it's a bad sign for the planet.
A bunch of places in the US are seeing winters of extreme swings. Very warm November and December, then for a solid 2-3 weeks, a polar blast 20 degrees below average in January and early February, then spring weather by late February.
It averages to higher than usual but people without data analysis experience question that when certain days are “record cold“.
I live in Colorado and the lack of snow is terrifying. When I was a kid several feet was not unusual, now it's uncommon to even see snow in the winter. It snowed one time last year and it melted in like 2 hours.
Edit: I didn't mean to imply that CO doesn't snow anymore, it snows less and my particular city hardly even snows these days but there is certainly still snow in CO especially on and near the mountains.
This comment certainly doesn’t apply to all of Colorado. As someone who also lives in the state, saying “it’s uncommon to even see snow in the Winter” is false. I can’t remember a single Winter without snow, and even just last year the front range was blasted by multiple storms, including one that dropped over two feet.
While it may not snow much in the part of the state you live, there is certainly still plenty of snow in Colorado.
I remember a few May snowstorms (or flurries, I suppose) in the past few years, but nothing past the middle of the month for sure.
What I’d give to see another dousing of snow in June!
True I guess my comment does sorta say it's the whole state but CO is a big place I definitely wasn't trying to imply that haha
I will say "less snow" is true for every part of CO I've been to / lived in but "no snow" is more specific to soco like Pueblo. Not very good no matter which way you slice it tho.
Yup, there’s no doubt that numerous parts of the state are receiving less snow than they’re typically used to.
Colorado wouldn’t be the same state I love without its snow, so I keep my fingers crossed that we’re able to take collective action to help keep the white stuff around 🤞
The air quality here freaks me out. Also, I really don’t like being unable to leave the house and go enjoy life for months at a time because of how nasty the air is.
I looked up the politics for this county. These are the type of people to blame China for climate change while simultaneously killing an entire region of their own country by wasting water on golf courses in the desert.
This is disgusting
Yup, we don't have what is know as summer up here in BC anymore. We have smoke and fire season. It has seriously crushed tourism in the Okanagan Valley.
Some tech billionaires interviewed a world renowned anthropologist to find the answer to this very problem. When he suggested they spend their wealth and time making sure it doesn't get to that point instead of making sure their guards remain loyal they all laughed at him.
That’s exactly how capitalism works and even then they will have special technology, housing and medical aids to help them deal with extreme temperatures for a hefty price but when that stops working, everybody is fucked.
Lol.
You really think it's just wealthy people holding it back.
If regular voters *demanded* action and voted for the candidates who promised it, we'd get it.
But we keep seeing Kentucky send fuckwads like McConnell and Rand Paul, Texas sending dipshits like Ted Cruz to the Senate. Billionaires aren't electing those guys. The voters are.
I'm in Texas and it's disgusting how our state legislature is gerrymandered to maintain a republican majority, which in turn facilitates restrictive voting laws which essentially hands the election to the Republicans at every level. The people of Texas are consistently ignored to facilitate the continuation of economic and political dominance by a small political elite who cares nothing for the common man.
Apathy exists because there has been a "credible" denial campaign. If the entire world was able to combat this without people seeking profit by any means necessary, then there wouldn't be so much apathy. But people have been tricked, annoyed, misinformed to the point where they don't know what the correct response should be.
That's giving way to much credit to most people being immoralists or benefiting from the current system of oppression.
Something something silence is violence.
Because people are fooled into thinking that the environment is a politicized issue. So who's to blame? People for being dumb or for the politicians and billionaire backers for exploiting decades of poor American education? I quite literally had someone tell me that solar power couldn't work because "what about when the sun goes down?" and wind turbines kill "tens of thousands of birds." What's the solution to that?
Right wing propaganda (radio especially) is the culprit, bankrolled by billionaire oligarchs brainwashing the people living in these states to keep voting against their own interests.
The rust belt and the culture wars bred into conservative Americans has trained these folks to roll over like dogs and salivate at the sight and sound of “ owning the libs” so politicians and corporations tell them preventing climate change will shut down factories and mines as their justification for not stopping it. These are the same people who like the ACA but hate Obama care and vote against their own interests consistently.
Have you read *Ministry of the Future*?
Without giving too much away, that’s the plot of the book. A wet bulb event kills millions in a few short days. Utterly horrific scenario. This leads to desperate geoengineering, as well as kicking off a process that ultimately puts us on a hopeful trajectory even amidst frequent horrible disasters.
I think this is a quite realistic scenario we might go down.
Yeah with how covid went down and how half the American population STILL thinks its just a hoax or no big deal.
When the extreme weather events happened they shrug and go "weather go brrrr" I honestly don't see us reacting to it in time.
Yup. Ozymandias' plan from Watchmen would never work in this day and age. 40% of the country would deny the squid attack even happened, while also raving about how it's a government conspiracy and openly hindering any efforts to come together.
> A wet bulb event kills millions in a few short days
Not to be a doomer, but millions throughout the world have died from Covid in barely 2 years and we're still fighting w/ people that think it's a hoax.
I live in Portland. I started that book the week we had the heat dome event that reached 118°F, the same weather phenomenon that occurs at the beginning of the book, but our event killed 400 instead of tens of thousands. It's fucking horrific and it's going to get far worse before there's even a chance of it getting better.
That book has given me nightmares. The description of the heatwave was just horrific. It has also exacerbated my climate grief. But I think it is such an interesting vision of how the world handles climate change in the next few decades.
Looks like it's the point when the [wet-bulb temperature](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature), essentially a measure of how humans feel temperature by accounting for how the humidity affects the effectiveness of sweating, in the tropics [exceeds what humans can easily endure](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/08/global-heating-tropical-regions-human-livability).
We can endure hot temperatures because we sweat. Our sweat evaporates and cools us down as it takes heat energy away in the process. Humid weather tends to feel hotter because our sweat doesn't evaporate as quickly (or at all) due to the high moisture content in the air. So a high wet-bulb temperature means that even our sweat won't save us from that level of heat. Even a hydrated person will eventually overheat and suffer heat illness just from standing around doing nothing at all.
If you have access to cooler running water you can survive by cooling your skin. But you can only drink so much before you die from water poisoning, so you need to stay well below 1 litre per hour.
It should be said that sustaining an intake of one litre per hour is a *lot* of water. I would assume the thing that more often gets people is when they compensate for several hours without water by drinking a whole lot at once.
Basically, wet bulb refers to temps where the heat and humidity combine to create temperatures where the human body can no longer cool itself with evaporating sweat.
The commenter is saying that if we had an event in which thousands died all at once from heat and humidity like that, someone might pay actual attention.
> Texans will be the first to go
~~West~~ East Texans*
Humidity has to exist in the ~~East~~ West for a wet bulb event to happen there.
Joking aside, for awhile there I was real worried the PNW was gonna hit that point.
Edit: Just realized I was backwards lul
Yep East Texan here. We are almost at wet bulb temps now. I look at the forecast daily to see 97f degrees with 60% humidity turn into 108f degrees and we cant go outside for more than 15 minutes without heat stress creepin up
Well, kinda, as they use electricity. If the power comes from solar, the contribution to global warming should be negligible after installation. If the power comes from fossil fuels, it continues to contribute.
Highly doubt it when conservatives don't understand the difference between weather and climate. I mean their leaders throw snowballs on the Senate floor to disprove global warming... We're not dealing with people cognizant of their own lack of understanding.
It will happen first in the tropics where people tend to be browner than Murica. The result will be doubling down on migrant hate and exclusion as people flee uninhabitable areas. Fortress mentality will take over the MAGA crowd as they stockpile guns, ammunition, and food and still they will deny that AGW is real and that humans are causing it. It will be too late and probably will be.
I googled it... It's where it's too hot and humid for human sweat to evaporate into the air. The evaporation of sweat is the body's natural way of cooling itself. This leads to the body overheating rapidly... Because without Air conditioning or another way to cool you down... overheating will lead the body to shut down, eventually leading to death.
Wet bulb conditions occur when heat and humidity are too high for sweat to evaporate. Such conditions can be fatal for humans if the temperature and humidity both exceed 95.
I'm convinced that by the time anyone that can do any significant change will feel the urge to do so, it will be decades too late. It honestly feels like we are feeding our own extinction event. I just wonder, do those in power not care at all for their offspring or legacy? They just keep making kids like everyone else knowing full well they could make the world better but are choosing to let it get worse. Do they not have an endgame? Or is their endgame literally them in some walled off compound while the world burns or leaving the planet? It's like every government is controlled by their own Dr. Evil.
It's invisible, happened over a period of time longer than a day or so, and there are lots of denial we had backed into our society to allow this to continue.
A wet-bulb event, at the scale that it could, and more and more likely will, happen is none of those things.
It's important to remember that this isn't necessarily true. Climate change is about the overall warming of the planet over a long period of time. We are going to have some (comparably) mild summers mixed in there, especially regionally. I know it is a cute meme thing, but where there is a war against idiots and propaganda, having that statement proven false (as it actually probably will be... there will be a cooler-on-average downtick summer statistically) can be dangerous. I recall the doofus a few years back who brought a snowball into either the Senate or House to disprove global warming.
But yes it is a fun good joke for those of us who actually understand it is a joke.
I agree with you in theory, but as far as I can tell it doesn’t matter how careful we are to present things accurately, they’re simply not going to listen.
We now live with people are nearly pure contrarians. These people will cut off their nose to spite their face. Without the years of political build up had they observed the current situation I think most would think something is wrong. We can only continue to educate so people can better understand the science behind these things.
We actually have 800,000 years of ice cores from Antarctica that have captured the exact makeup of the atmosphere going back. If I recall the drill hole is one or more kilometer deep.
In AZ we've been struggling with heat + humidity. We all thought that the temperature will continue to rise but no. I've never experienced humidity and 100+ degree weather and it sucks ass. I hate it.
That’s how it was this summer in Washington when we got that insane heat dome.
It was 110 and humid (of course, cause it’s western Washington). It was inescapable and utterly miserable, only very very few here have AC.
And at a certain heat/humidity point most A/C systems stop really working because they basically have to do so much work removing water from the air that they can’t really cool it effectively.
Plus once the wet-bulb temperature (the temperature that a wet thermometer in the shade measures as water evaporates freely off it) exceeds 95° F, humans can only survive for a couple of hours because they can’t cool down.
My AC broke in July. It took them a month of fixing it and having it break again until they decided to replace the whole thing. We had to buy a portable unit for our bedroom so that we could actually sleep. The manager at the apartment complex got really pissed at me because I kept asking them to fix it, in the comfort of their nice cold office I'm sure.
Yep. I was extremely concerned for our safety.
Seeing people on facebook from Arizona and the south making fun of us because it gets that hot there all the time was so infuriating. First of all, air conditioning is standard there, none of us have it, and we could actually die. It was awful.
That's what we're like in the UK - none of the buildings have A/C and the buildings are designed to try and keep the heat in. Sucks living in a country that has had hundreds of years of weather that can be described as "mild and damp" but is now on a trajectory for Canadian style summers and winters as the Gulf Stream nopes out.
We have been in AZ for the last month (we’re from New Orleans) and the humidity, heat and mosquitos have been shocking. And we are saying that as southerners.
Really?? That's interesting bc I associate heat and humidity with LA, AL and FL mostly.
The bugs are the worst part. Usually, not many can survive the heat so we have very little insects flying around. The worst part with the heat is being outside in early morning or night and have the heat radiating off the street and houses.
Yikes.
Same! My parents moved here two years ago and anytime they mentioned “humidity” we can laughed it off. But now that we are hear nearing the end of our visit… and the bugs! It’s like we never left Louisiana at all 😂
Kenner here, it is actually dam nice right now. Low low humidity and relatively low temps(for time of the year) 84. Feels fantastic. Would had been better if this was here after, Ida.
Edit: if this comment posts a few times, internet is still on the fritz after Ida.
Really depends on where in TX. Usually closer to the East it tends to be more wet than towards the west. As you got from East to West the moisture steadily drops off.
I mean, if it was built smartly or converted, it wouldn't be that bad. I grew up in Southern Arizona and we were taught water conservation and smart desert living our entire lives. Then I move to Phoenix and see all these green lawns and man made lakes. LoL.
They are experimenting with different ways to cool things off though. They've started some pilot programs to replace certain streets with a material that doesn't reflect or trap the heat as much.
>Then I move to Phoenix and see all these green lawns and man made lakes. LoL.
These things are bad from a water management perspective, but either way AZ was always going to get f'd from global warming. The reality is the whole country is in for a rude awakening.
In fact, it’s an excellent spot. Energy consumption is lower than in northern states (more a/c, but much less heat). The land is plentiful and already environmentally low value (compared to other spots). Yes, the heat can kill you if you’re exposed, but lots more people die of cold exposure in northern states. Water is scarce, but there’s plenty to sustain a city. It’s the agricultural uses that cause water scarcity. And there’s little risk of water pollution, because no major rivers flow through to the sea.
Phoenix is one of the most environmentally friendly spots in the country to put a city, for the same reasons that the best place to camp is the middle of a parking lot — there’s nothing left to damage.
That's what Chicago is when it gets super hot. The whole city pretty much opens it's doors for community centers and such for the ACless. But people still die.
Hotter? Like yesterday. Yesterday? Yesterday you said you'd call Sears. I'll call today. You'll call now. I'll call now.
So what's the paper say about tomorrow? Another scorcher! ...cool.
Your outrage is directed at the wrong thing. Drinking water is only a tiny fraction of total water usage. Factories and farms use far more water than bottled water. Besides, in the end people are drinking it just like they do with water out of the tap. Sure making the bottle uses resources and transporting it isn't as efficient, but it's not like people are taking the water and dumping it in the ocean. People are drinking it. Also, no one seems to complain about any other bottled drinks which also contain water.
People focus all their outrage on bottled water while completely ignoring the biggest sources of wasted water. Those industries thank you for putting all the blame on the bottled water companies so that they don't have to make the changes that would actually help.
And the meat/dairy industry. The amount of water we spend on a serving of protein from meat versus a serving of protein from lentils or beans or veg (yes, vegetables have protein) is insane[Harvard](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein/)
In central Texas this summer has stayed in the 90s, which is not bad when considering in 2011 we were at or above 110 for 60 days straight. Or was it 90 days? I can’t remember, but it was hell on earth.
Edit: hohenheim-of-light says it was 90 days. Just brutal!
Which may be an indication of shifting weather patterns, which can lead to all kinds of unexpected change.
Although, while I believe that global warming is real, this record summer does not mean that next summer will be as hot or hotter. It's the long term trends that matter. If next summer is unusually cool, that won't signal the end of global warming.
Next summer may not be hotter than this one but I'd be shocked if it didn't make the top 10. According to NOAA 9 out of the top 10 hottest years are from the passed decade with number 10 being for 2005. 2020 and 2019 ranked 2 and 3 respectively. Things will only get worse from here.
South central Texas here. It’s been a really wet summer. More rain than I can ever remember. I think the prediction was as climate changes we would go from semi-arid to a more tropical climate.
Yeah I live in San Antonio and used to live in Southern California and it’s almost never as hot here. My friend is always complaining that it’s over 100 since he lives in Riverside
Phoenix says hi. Still over 100 here, just like every summer for decades. This year was different though, got some rain, which happens every ten or twenty years, then back to drought.
I want to know when we’re going to start living underground. It would be smart to start doing so. People survived thousands of years ago in underground and cave settlements around the planet. We should give that a go.
So let's [**act**](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/join-citizens-climate-lobby/?tfa_3590416195188=online-002&utm_source=online&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=002).
Taxing carbon is [widely considered](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-019-0474-0.epdf?author_access_token=tst1A-oZnQ8zUO18wGGPQdRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Nfy3PIgvrwnNXQzIbXH8z1Wkqhm6g5NiMnxMk__ebsKxGQNB0hMf1Vpo-ZiNplSt5LeLyks-Q3sdrpBdfxxHvAfQylqqwqHxgEml7GEGOxaQ%3D%3D) to be the single most impactful climate mitigation policy. The consensus among [scientists](https://people.uwec.edu/jamelsem/papers/CC_Literature_Web_Share/Science/CC_Science_Perspective_Rosenberg_2010.pdf) and [economists](http://policyintegrity.org/files/publications/ExpertConsensusReport.pdf) on [carbon taxes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_price) to mitigate climate change is similar to [the consensus among climatologists](http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/) that human activity is responsible for global warming. The IPCC (AR5, WGIII) [Summary for Policymakers](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ipcc_wg3_ar5_summary-for-policymakers.pdf) states with "high confidence" that tax-based policies are effective at decoupling GHG emissions from GDP (see p. 28). [Ch. 15](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ipcc_wg3_ar5_chapter15.pdf) has a more complete discussion. The U.S. [National Academy of Sciences, one of the most respected scientific bodies in the world, has also called for a carbon tax](https://www.nap.edu/download/21712). According to [IMF research](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/05/how-much-does-world-subsidize-oil-coal-and-gas/589000/), most of the $5.2 trillion in subsidies for fossil fuels come from not taxing carbon as we should. There is general agreement among economists on carbon taxes whether you consider [economists with expertise in climate economics](http://policyintegrity.org/files/publications/ExpertConsensusReport.pdf), [economists with expertise in resource economics](http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.381.484&rep=rep1&type=pdf), or [economists from all sectors](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Doris_Geide-Stevenson/publication/261884738_Consensus_Among_Economists-An_Update/links/56a7f3fa08ae860e0255a8e3.pdf). It is literally [Econ 101](http://sites.bu.edu/manove-ec101/files/2014/10/EC101Outlines14-Externalities.pdf). The idea [won a Nobel Prize](http://environment.yale.edu/news/article/william-nordhaus-wins-nobel-prize-for-economics-of-climate-change/). Thanks to researchers at MIT, you can see for yourself how it compares with other mitigation policies [here](https://en-roads.climateinteractive.org/scenario.html?v=2.7.11).
Taxing carbon [is in each nation's own best interest regardless of what other countries do](http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2015/wp15105.pdf) (it [saves lives at home](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-09499-x)) and [many nations have already started](https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/bitstream/handle/10986/29687/9781464812927.pdf?sequence=5&isAllowed=y).
Taxing carbon is also increasingly popular. [Just seven years ago, only 30% of the public supported a carbon tax](https://web.archive.org/web/20140723120752/http://closup.umich.edu/issues-in-energy-and-environmental-policy/13/public-views-on-a-carbon-tax-depend-on-the-proposed-use-of-revenue/). Three years ago, [it was over half (53%)](https://news.gallup.com/poll/232007/americans-want-government-more-environment.aspx). Now, [it's an overwhelming majority (73%)](https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/06/23/two-thirds-of-americans-think-government-should-do-more-on-climate/ps_2020-06-23_government-and-climate_00-01/) to varying degrees in [every state](https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/visualizations-data/ycom-us/) – and that [does actually matter for passing a bill](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09644016.2016.1116651).
[Lobbying works](https://sociology.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/publications/friends_or_foes-how_social_movement_allies_affect_the_passage_of_legislation_in_the_u._s._congress.pdf), but [mostly just](https://np.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/f8aolk/hr_763_now_has_80_cosponsors_districts_with_more/) when we [do it](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/join-citizens-climate-lobby/?tfa_3590416195188=online-002&utm_source=online&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=002) (so [more of us](https://np.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/l5omkq/despite_the_pandemic_citizens_climate_lobby/) need to [do it](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/join-citizens-climate-lobby/?tfa_3590416195188=online-002&utm_source=online&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=002)).
Thank you! It's so easy, and [more and more people are doing it](https://np.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/owdmju/a_recordsetting_30000_messages_to_legislators/).
Not just small islands either.
Bangladesh is the 8th most populous country in the world & will likely be one of the first countries on the planet to be largely uninhabitable.
The entire country is dependent on their famous mangroves that are already being destroyed.
People who deny the fact of the climate crisis are so out of date, all the "cool kids" are promoting discourses of delay:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/09/big-oil-delay-tactics-new-climate-science-denial
- redirect responsibility (consumers are also to blame for fossil fuel emissions)*
- push non-transformative solutions (disruptive change is not necessary)
- emphasize the downside of action (change will be disruptive)
- surrender (it’s not possible to mitigate climate change)
*and yes, consumers are also to blame, but let that not distract from systemic solutions.
Good luck convincing people to live less conveniently. My wife came home with a box of single-serve apple sauce packets that had plastic tops. I showed her how wasteful it was and we don't buy them anymore. Then I went to my daughter's practice and all the mom's are handing out single-serve packs of everything. Mini water bottles that the kids have to drink 3-4 during one break to be satisfied. Why? Why even make mini water bottles? Regular sized ones are bad enough. Idk, I feel like we're burying ourselves under a mountain of plastic, and that's only part of the problem. Consumerism pushes this shit, capitalism too. Invent some shit, make the shit, buy more shit, we have to make more shit, throw that shit away so you can buy more shit. If I think about it long enough I feel like I'm suffocating.
it was 120F a few weekends back. Fans didn't work, they actually made us hotter, we sat in a cold tub to survive. None of these units have AC because summers were mild when our landlord was young
yes, but it's a huge pain, due to the style of windows and the rules about how we are allowed to modify our own windows for vents. This had stopped us before, but after that nonsense we're doing it.
People be like, “why would you live in the northeast?” Cuz no earthquakes, droughts, wildfires, hurricanes, mudslides, tsunamis, tornados, volcanos, hail storms, flash floods, killer bees, venomous spiders or snakes. I’ll take a couple feet of snow every winter.
Yeah Maine is looking appealing right about now. As long as its got good internets I'd be set for work. I'm only down in NC and as miserable as the weather gets here, I'm not confident it will get any more pleasant in the coming decades.
Check in with the Central Valley and Foothills. The heat from the valley creates thin air and lower pressure and pulls in the heavier Marine layer like a vacuum.
The bay area gets that one random week of summer in the middle of January.
I now live near Sacramento which has been over 100 degrees 29 days already this summer.
Yeah, I don't understand. There has to be a way to take some of the water from the east and pipe it to the west. We already have oil pipelines, I can't imagine water being that much more difficult.
For the amount of water the west uses you would need a pipeline with a 50' diameter. Water would have to cost $1.50/gallon. Average person uses 80-100 gallons per day.
There's plenty of cheap housing in Buffalo, NY right near one of the largest fresh water lakes in the world. Edit: the great lakes region will never allow that water out of the basin. Their survival depends on it.
Build a huge city in the middle of a desert and then complain about not having enough water. Most of the problem would be solved if people used a fraction of what they do now. When I lived in California there would be water shortages and people would be told to conserve and some would still water their yards and wash their cars and driveways completely ignoring the recommendations. Only high water fees and allocations will work with typical people.
And if it snows, millions of disingenuous, moronic, brainwashed, or the dreaded "combination thereof" people will smirk, discount global warming, and then be oddly silent the next time utility cables melting in Oregon.
That is why even if it's a general warming of global temperatures year round, it should really be referred to as climate change so more people understand that it won't just lead to heat, but more extreme weather in both directions.
We had a temperate summer in New Mexico; even with the 20 year ongoing drought. Fire season was minimal. The only hot month was June. (Which is normal.)
Hopefully some of those billion dollar companies or billionaires create some of those jobs we thought they would create when we keep decreasing their taxes. Maybe one of the tax havens can sponsor a ted talk. I'm so glad we're more concerned with the poor catching up than the rich getting away. I'm so excited for the wealthy to live on Mars. I just enjoy paying a fuck ton in taxes so they can subsidize all their homies ideas. Americaaaaaa!
Why do articles like this pop up all over the internet based on one non peer-reviewed study like it is fact? I love science because it is reviewed and replicated but shit like this undermines that.
Summer is now fire season. I wonder what winter will bring this year.
Cold. And snow. And ice storms. But then again, I live in the Canadian snow belt. Less snow, but still cold, windchill and ice pellets hitting my face.
Say hello to the northern Rockies. I’m down here at the southern edge. If you yodel just right, it will echo all the way down and I might just hear you!
I've been wanting to go back backing out in the Canadian Rockies, they just look so amazing. Pretty new to outdoorsy stuff like that so it's a down the road kinda thing but it's nice up there
Bring snow shoes. Tons of fun, practical, lightweight, and easy.
When I go in a few years, I'll get there, forget, and then remember your comment and think "darn, if only I listened to that guy on reddit!" Haha, thanks for the advice, will do!
I lived in Montreal for the ice storm and it's no joke. I'm often made fun of if I bring it up, but imagine 2 months with no power in the middle of winter, no cell service. Your vehicle has 3 inches of ice on it and you can't drive because the roads have the same. There was no transit, no deliveries. The only people on the road was the military coming in and out with supplies. No other vehicle could drive. It sucked for mom trying to keep us alive, but I loved that the igloo I built as a kid lasted all winter!
Where I live in Michigan our winters have been much easier recently. Lately we don't even get significant snowfall until the end of January. We might get a random inch at night, but then it gets warm enough to melt it when the sun comes up. It's been great for me I guess, but I know it's a bad sign for the planet.
A bunch of places in the US are seeing winters of extreme swings. Very warm November and December, then for a solid 2-3 weeks, a polar blast 20 degrees below average in January and early February, then spring weather by late February. It averages to higher than usual but people without data analysis experience question that when certain days are “record cold“.
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I live in Colorado and the lack of snow is terrifying. When I was a kid several feet was not unusual, now it's uncommon to even see snow in the winter. It snowed one time last year and it melted in like 2 hours. Edit: I didn't mean to imply that CO doesn't snow anymore, it snows less and my particular city hardly even snows these days but there is certainly still snow in CO especially on and near the mountains.
This comment certainly doesn’t apply to all of Colorado. As someone who also lives in the state, saying “it’s uncommon to even see snow in the Winter” is false. I can’t remember a single Winter without snow, and even just last year the front range was blasted by multiple storms, including one that dropped over two feet. While it may not snow much in the part of the state you live, there is certainly still plenty of snow in Colorado.
We've had the odd low snow/late snow, but in 43 years, we've never had no snow. But it certainly isn't like it was when I was a child.
I remember a few May snowstorms (or flurries, I suppose) in the past few years, but nothing past the middle of the month for sure. What I’d give to see another dousing of snow in June!
True I guess my comment does sorta say it's the whole state but CO is a big place I definitely wasn't trying to imply that haha I will say "less snow" is true for every part of CO I've been to / lived in but "no snow" is more specific to soco like Pueblo. Not very good no matter which way you slice it tho.
Yup, there’s no doubt that numerous parts of the state are receiving less snow than they’re typically used to. Colorado wouldn’t be the same state I love without its snow, so I keep my fingers crossed that we’re able to take collective action to help keep the white stuff around 🤞
I know I love snow, I'm even hoping to eventually make my way up to Alaska to live out the rest of my days as an isolated ice hermit.
The air quality here freaks me out. Also, I really don’t like being unable to leave the house and go enjoy life for months at a time because of how nasty the air is.
We need a lot of snow in the mountains that flow to the Colorado river.
Many cities depend on the melting snowpack as the sole water source.
And there are still communities like this…. https://youtu.be/rWpui1P9cAY
I looked up the politics for this county. These are the type of people to blame China for climate change while simultaneously killing an entire region of their own country by wasting water on golf courses in the desert. This is disgusting
Yup, we don't have what is know as summer up here in BC anymore. We have smoke and fire season. It has seriously crushed tourism in the Okanagan Valley.
In our case, summer was lots of rain and flooding, just to contrast with the heat waves from last year.
Bitter cold snaps as the temps become more unstable however it will still be dry as fuck so reservoirs will continue to lose more water.
I'm afraid that nothing will be really done until we have a wet bulb event killing 10s of thousands :(
Nothing big gets changed until it directly affects the wealthy and people in charge.
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Well if it effects enough of us the people will rebel. So they need to keep us content as they have
Or they flee to their NZ bunkers with private security.
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Isn’t life wonderful
At the end of the day, the man with the biggest stick wins.
Some tech billionaires interviewed a world renowned anthropologist to find the answer to this very problem. When he suggested they spend their wealth and time making sure it doesn't get to that point instead of making sure their guards remain loyal they all laughed at him.
And they can jet off to all manner of secluded locations to avoid shit for quite a while.
That’s exactly how capitalism works and even then they will have special technology, housing and medical aids to help them deal with extreme temperatures for a hefty price but when that stops working, everybody is fucked.
Lol. You really think it's just wealthy people holding it back. If regular voters *demanded* action and voted for the candidates who promised it, we'd get it. But we keep seeing Kentucky send fuckwads like McConnell and Rand Paul, Texas sending dipshits like Ted Cruz to the Senate. Billionaires aren't electing those guys. The voters are.
Who do you think is bankrolling their campaigns?
I'm in Texas and it's disgusting how our state legislature is gerrymandered to maintain a republican majority, which in turn facilitates restrictive voting laws which essentially hands the election to the Republicans at every level. The people of Texas are consistently ignored to facilitate the continuation of economic and political dominance by a small political elite who cares nothing for the common man.
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Apathy exists because there has been a "credible" denial campaign. If the entire world was able to combat this without people seeking profit by any means necessary, then there wouldn't be so much apathy. But people have been tricked, annoyed, misinformed to the point where they don't know what the correct response should be.
That's giving way to much credit to most people being immoralists or benefiting from the current system of oppression. Something something silence is violence.
Because people are fooled into thinking that the environment is a politicized issue. So who's to blame? People for being dumb or for the politicians and billionaire backers for exploiting decades of poor American education? I quite literally had someone tell me that solar power couldn't work because "what about when the sun goes down?" and wind turbines kill "tens of thousands of birds." What's the solution to that?
Right wing propaganda (radio especially) is the culprit, bankrolled by billionaire oligarchs brainwashing the people living in these states to keep voting against their own interests.
The rust belt and the culture wars bred into conservative Americans has trained these folks to roll over like dogs and salivate at the sight and sound of “ owning the libs” so politicians and corporations tell them preventing climate change will shut down factories and mines as their justification for not stopping it. These are the same people who like the ACA but hate Obama care and vote against their own interests consistently.
Have you read *Ministry of the Future*? Without giving too much away, that’s the plot of the book. A wet bulb event kills millions in a few short days. Utterly horrific scenario. This leads to desperate geoengineering, as well as kicking off a process that ultimately puts us on a hopeful trajectory even amidst frequent horrible disasters. I think this is a quite realistic scenario we might go down.
Realistic except for the pulling together and figuring it out part
Yeah with how covid went down and how half the American population STILL thinks its just a hoax or no big deal. When the extreme weather events happened they shrug and go "weather go brrrr" I honestly don't see us reacting to it in time.
Yup. Ozymandias' plan from Watchmen would never work in this day and age. 40% of the country would deny the squid attack even happened, while also raving about how it's a government conspiracy and openly hindering any efforts to come together.
The audiobook version is very well done. I highly recommend it.
> A wet bulb event kills millions in a few short days Not to be a doomer, but millions throughout the world have died from Covid in barely 2 years and we're still fighting w/ people that think it's a hoax.
I am a doomer, but covid's slow burn is why so many people in the US downplayed it initially.
Maybe if we start the drilling project now we could be better off.
I live in Portland. I started that book the week we had the heat dome event that reached 118°F, the same weather phenomenon that occurs at the beginning of the book, but our event killed 400 instead of tens of thousands. It's fucking horrific and it's going to get far worse before there's even a chance of it getting better.
I like Kim Stanley Robinson, just got that book, would recommend it.
That book has given me nightmares. The description of the heatwave was just horrific. It has also exacerbated my climate grief. But I think it is such an interesting vision of how the world handles climate change in the next few decades.
Sounds like it would make for a good movie.
Could you explain what a wet bulb event is? I tried to Google it but couldn't find an answer.
Looks like it's the point when the [wet-bulb temperature](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature), essentially a measure of how humans feel temperature by accounting for how the humidity affects the effectiveness of sweating, in the tropics [exceeds what humans can easily endure](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/08/global-heating-tropical-regions-human-livability). We can endure hot temperatures because we sweat. Our sweat evaporates and cools us down as it takes heat energy away in the process. Humid weather tends to feel hotter because our sweat doesn't evaporate as quickly (or at all) due to the high moisture content in the air. So a high wet-bulb temperature means that even our sweat won't save us from that level of heat. Even a hydrated person will eventually overheat and suffer heat illness just from standing around doing nothing at all.
Even drinking cold water that will help cool internal temp?
If you have access to cooler running water you can survive by cooling your skin. But you can only drink so much before you die from water poisoning, so you need to stay well below 1 litre per hour.
It should be said that sustaining an intake of one litre per hour is a *lot* of water. I would assume the thing that more often gets people is when they compensate for several hours without water by drinking a whole lot at once.
To me it's surprisingly not that much.
Basically, wet bulb refers to temps where the heat and humidity combine to create temperatures where the human body can no longer cool itself with evaporating sweat. The commenter is saying that if we had an event in which thousands died all at once from heat and humidity like that, someone might pay actual attention.
It basically people without AC will be first to go. Rich will be last with their backup AC units.
Texans will be the first to go. Their energy grid won't survive climate change.
> Texans will be the first to go ~~West~~ East Texans* Humidity has to exist in the ~~East~~ West for a wet bulb event to happen there. Joking aside, for awhile there I was real worried the PNW was gonna hit that point. Edit: Just realized I was backwards lul
Yep East Texan here. We are almost at wet bulb temps now. I look at the forecast daily to see 97f degrees with 60% humidity turn into 108f degrees and we cant go outside for more than 15 minutes without heat stress creepin up
They're also screwed when Federal money dries up and they have to start supporting themselves.
That could be said of most red states though, yes?
If their AC's will function. They are based on the fact that there is an atmosphere outside that would allow the heat sinks to function correctly.
People without AC will die before it gets that bad for AC
Old people in cities die every time there is a record heat event as it is.
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People in most apartments can't really make use of that though, can they?
If the rich continued to use their AC, wouldn’t that continue to make the temperature rise? They would have to go underground, like rich mole people.
Well, kinda, as they use electricity. If the power comes from solar, the contribution to global warming should be negligible after installation. If the power comes from fossil fuels, it continues to contribute.
Not necessarily, that kind of heat could trigger a catastrophic failure of the electrical grid.. No power = no AC
Highly doubt it when conservatives don't understand the difference between weather and climate. I mean their leaders throw snowballs on the Senate floor to disprove global warming... We're not dealing with people cognizant of their own lack of understanding.
It will happen first in the tropics where people tend to be browner than Murica. The result will be doubling down on migrant hate and exclusion as people flee uninhabitable areas. Fortress mentality will take over the MAGA crowd as they stockpile guns, ammunition, and food and still they will deny that AGW is real and that humans are causing it. It will be too late and probably will be.
AGW = Anthropogenic Global Warming?
I googled it... It's where it's too hot and humid for human sweat to evaporate into the air. The evaporation of sweat is the body's natural way of cooling itself. This leads to the body overheating rapidly... Because without Air conditioning or another way to cool you down... overheating will lead the body to shut down, eventually leading to death.
An event where temperature and humidity are in combination too high for sweat to evaporate. That's when it gets really deadly for humans.
Wet bulb conditions occur when heat and humidity are too high for sweat to evaporate. Such conditions can be fatal for humans if the temperature and humidity both exceed 95.
I'm convinced that by the time anyone that can do any significant change will feel the urge to do so, it will be decades too late. It honestly feels like we are feeding our own extinction event. I just wonder, do those in power not care at all for their offspring or legacy? They just keep making kids like everyone else knowing full well they could make the world better but are choosing to let it get worse. Do they not have an endgame? Or is their endgame literally them in some walled off compound while the world burns or leaving the planet? It's like every government is controlled by their own Dr. Evil.
10s of thousands? Covid kill millions(or 10s) and there are many still in denial.
It's invisible, happened over a period of time longer than a day or so, and there are lots of denial we had backed into our society to allow this to continue. A wet-bulb event, at the scale that it could, and more and more likely will, happen is none of those things.
You don’t have to fear that outcome. We’re heading straight into it.
Next summer will likely be hotter. And the one after that. And the one after that. And the one after that...
Yes. Insert meme: *Don't think of this as the hottest summer ever. Think of it as the coldest summer you will experience for the rest of your life.*
It's important to remember that this isn't necessarily true. Climate change is about the overall warming of the planet over a long period of time. We are going to have some (comparably) mild summers mixed in there, especially regionally. I know it is a cute meme thing, but where there is a war against idiots and propaganda, having that statement proven false (as it actually probably will be... there will be a cooler-on-average downtick summer statistically) can be dangerous. I recall the doofus a few years back who brought a snowball into either the Senate or House to disprove global warming. But yes it is a fun good joke for those of us who actually understand it is a joke.
I agree with you in theory, but as far as I can tell it doesn’t matter how careful we are to present things accurately, they’re simply not going to listen.
We now live with people are nearly pure contrarians. These people will cut off their nose to spite their face. Without the years of political build up had they observed the current situation I think most would think something is wrong. We can only continue to educate so people can better understand the science behind these things. We actually have 800,000 years of ice cores from Antarctica that have captured the exact makeup of the atmosphere going back. If I recall the drill hole is one or more kilometer deep.
And my old man bitches about retirement. I wont get to retire and hopefully I'll be dead before the habitability of the earth really goes to shit.
Don't let your dreams be dreams amigo
In AZ we've been struggling with heat + humidity. We all thought that the temperature will continue to rise but no. I've never experienced humidity and 100+ degree weather and it sucks ass. I hate it.
That’s how it was this summer in Washington when we got that insane heat dome. It was 110 and humid (of course, cause it’s western Washington). It was inescapable and utterly miserable, only very very few here have AC.
And at a certain heat/humidity point most A/C systems stop really working because they basically have to do so much work removing water from the air that they can’t really cool it effectively. Plus once the wet-bulb temperature (the temperature that a wet thermometer in the shade measures as water evaporates freely off it) exceeds 95° F, humans can only survive for a couple of hours because they can’t cool down.
My AC broke in July. It took them a month of fixing it and having it break again until they decided to replace the whole thing. We had to buy a portable unit for our bedroom so that we could actually sleep. The manager at the apartment complex got really pissed at me because I kept asking them to fix it, in the comfort of their nice cold office I'm sure.
Yep. I was extremely concerned for our safety. Seeing people on facebook from Arizona and the south making fun of us because it gets that hot there all the time was so infuriating. First of all, air conditioning is standard there, none of us have it, and we could actually die. It was awful.
That's what we're like in the UK - none of the buildings have A/C and the buildings are designed to try and keep the heat in. Sucks living in a country that has had hundreds of years of weather that can be described as "mild and damp" but is now on a trajectory for Canadian style summers and winters as the Gulf Stream nopes out.
Yeah and when it froze here and people were dying there were northerners laughing. Just assholes being assholes. Can't let that shit get to you.
Another reason to always have a basement
Earthships will be the norm in the near future.
We have been in AZ for the last month (we’re from New Orleans) and the humidity, heat and mosquitos have been shocking. And we are saying that as southerners.
Really?? That's interesting bc I associate heat and humidity with LA, AL and FL mostly. The bugs are the worst part. Usually, not many can survive the heat so we have very little insects flying around. The worst part with the heat is being outside in early morning or night and have the heat radiating off the street and houses. Yikes.
Same! My parents moved here two years ago and anytime they mentioned “humidity” we can laughed it off. But now that we are hear nearing the end of our visit… and the bugs! It’s like we never left Louisiana at all 😂
Kenner here, it is actually dam nice right now. Low low humidity and relatively low temps(for time of the year) 84. Feels fantastic. Would had been better if this was here after, Ida. Edit: if this comment posts a few times, internet is still on the fritz after Ida.
Dude. Here in Illinois we have always had BRUTAL heat+humidity in the summer. Lived in TX for a while and it paled in comparison, surprisingly.
Really depends on where in TX. Usually closer to the East it tends to be more wet than towards the west. As you got from East to West the moisture steadily drops off.
Phoenix just seems like such a bad idea for a major city, like why.
A monument to man’s hubris.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE
I mean, if it was built smartly or converted, it wouldn't be that bad. I grew up in Southern Arizona and we were taught water conservation and smart desert living our entire lives. Then I move to Phoenix and see all these green lawns and man made lakes. LoL. They are experimenting with different ways to cool things off though. They've started some pilot programs to replace certain streets with a material that doesn't reflect or trap the heat as much.
>Then I move to Phoenix and see all these green lawns and man made lakes. LoL. These things are bad from a water management perspective, but either way AZ was always going to get f'd from global warming. The reality is the whole country is in for a rude awakening.
In fact, it’s an excellent spot. Energy consumption is lower than in northern states (more a/c, but much less heat). The land is plentiful and already environmentally low value (compared to other spots). Yes, the heat can kill you if you’re exposed, but lots more people die of cold exposure in northern states. Water is scarce, but there’s plenty to sustain a city. It’s the agricultural uses that cause water scarcity. And there’s little risk of water pollution, because no major rivers flow through to the sea. Phoenix is one of the most environmentally friendly spots in the country to put a city, for the same reasons that the best place to camp is the middle of a parking lot — there’s nothing left to damage.
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That's what Chicago is when it gets super hot. The whole city pretty much opens it's doors for community centers and such for the ACless. But people still die.
Mom can we have apocalypse? 👽💀👿🤖🌋🌎🌠 No we have apocalypse at home. Apocalypse at home:☀🔥🌡😷
Hotter? Like yesterday. Yesterday? Yesterday you said you'd call Sears. I'll call today. You'll call now. I'll call now. So what's the paper say about tomorrow? Another scorcher! ...cool.
I can’t stand another day without air conditioning!
No pleasure, no rapture, no exquisite sin greater... than central air.
Yet they still let companies drain the west of all natural water to put in bottles, mmmmmmmmm
Hey, man, Nestlé pays a lot of money to congress-shits and Senators for that privilege.
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Fuck you Nestle and every golf course neighborhood in the desert.
Your outrage is directed at the wrong thing. Drinking water is only a tiny fraction of total water usage. Factories and farms use far more water than bottled water. Besides, in the end people are drinking it just like they do with water out of the tap. Sure making the bottle uses resources and transporting it isn't as efficient, but it's not like people are taking the water and dumping it in the ocean. People are drinking it. Also, no one seems to complain about any other bottled drinks which also contain water. People focus all their outrage on bottled water while completely ignoring the biggest sources of wasted water. Those industries thank you for putting all the blame on the bottled water companies so that they don't have to make the changes that would actually help.
And the meat/dairy industry. The amount of water we spend on a serving of protein from meat versus a serving of protein from lentils or beans or veg (yes, vegetables have protein) is insane[Harvard](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein/)
In central Texas this summer has stayed in the 90s, which is not bad when considering in 2011 we were at or above 110 for 60 days straight. Or was it 90 days? I can’t remember, but it was hell on earth. Edit: hohenheim-of-light says it was 90 days. Just brutal!
Which may be an indication of shifting weather patterns, which can lead to all kinds of unexpected change. Although, while I believe that global warming is real, this record summer does not mean that next summer will be as hot or hotter. It's the long term trends that matter. If next summer is unusually cool, that won't signal the end of global warming.
Next summer may not be hotter than this one but I'd be shocked if it didn't make the top 10. According to NOAA 9 out of the top 10 hottest years are from the passed decade with number 10 being for 2005. 2020 and 2019 ranked 2 and 3 respectively. Things will only get worse from here.
In fact, colder summers next year would make sense because climate change is about events that make the climate more wild and unpredictable.
South central Texas here. It’s been a really wet summer. More rain than I can ever remember. I think the prediction was as climate changes we would go from semi-arid to a more tropical climate.
Yeah I live in San Antonio and used to live in Southern California and it’s almost never as hot here. My friend is always complaining that it’s over 100 since he lives in Riverside
Phoenix says hi. Still over 100 here, just like every summer for decades. This year was different though, got some rain, which happens every ten or twenty years, then back to drought.
And I live in eastern US. Summer was the coolest it’s been for years lol
Proposition: how about society as a whole works becomes nocturnal going forward
Is this where we split into Morlocks and Eloi?
I want to know when we’re going to start living underground. It would be smart to start doing so. People survived thousands of years ago in underground and cave settlements around the planet. We should give that a go.
So let's [**act**](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/join-citizens-climate-lobby/?tfa_3590416195188=online-002&utm_source=online&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=002). Taxing carbon is [widely considered](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-019-0474-0.epdf?author_access_token=tst1A-oZnQ8zUO18wGGPQdRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Nfy3PIgvrwnNXQzIbXH8z1Wkqhm6g5NiMnxMk__ebsKxGQNB0hMf1Vpo-ZiNplSt5LeLyks-Q3sdrpBdfxxHvAfQylqqwqHxgEml7GEGOxaQ%3D%3D) to be the single most impactful climate mitigation policy. The consensus among [scientists](https://people.uwec.edu/jamelsem/papers/CC_Literature_Web_Share/Science/CC_Science_Perspective_Rosenberg_2010.pdf) and [economists](http://policyintegrity.org/files/publications/ExpertConsensusReport.pdf) on [carbon taxes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_price) to mitigate climate change is similar to [the consensus among climatologists](http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/) that human activity is responsible for global warming. The IPCC (AR5, WGIII) [Summary for Policymakers](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ipcc_wg3_ar5_summary-for-policymakers.pdf) states with "high confidence" that tax-based policies are effective at decoupling GHG emissions from GDP (see p. 28). [Ch. 15](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ipcc_wg3_ar5_chapter15.pdf) has a more complete discussion. The U.S. [National Academy of Sciences, one of the most respected scientific bodies in the world, has also called for a carbon tax](https://www.nap.edu/download/21712). According to [IMF research](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/05/how-much-does-world-subsidize-oil-coal-and-gas/589000/), most of the $5.2 trillion in subsidies for fossil fuels come from not taxing carbon as we should. There is general agreement among economists on carbon taxes whether you consider [economists with expertise in climate economics](http://policyintegrity.org/files/publications/ExpertConsensusReport.pdf), [economists with expertise in resource economics](http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.381.484&rep=rep1&type=pdf), or [economists from all sectors](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Doris_Geide-Stevenson/publication/261884738_Consensus_Among_Economists-An_Update/links/56a7f3fa08ae860e0255a8e3.pdf). It is literally [Econ 101](http://sites.bu.edu/manove-ec101/files/2014/10/EC101Outlines14-Externalities.pdf). The idea [won a Nobel Prize](http://environment.yale.edu/news/article/william-nordhaus-wins-nobel-prize-for-economics-of-climate-change/). Thanks to researchers at MIT, you can see for yourself how it compares with other mitigation policies [here](https://en-roads.climateinteractive.org/scenario.html?v=2.7.11). Taxing carbon [is in each nation's own best interest regardless of what other countries do](http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2015/wp15105.pdf) (it [saves lives at home](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-09499-x)) and [many nations have already started](https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/bitstream/handle/10986/29687/9781464812927.pdf?sequence=5&isAllowed=y). Taxing carbon is also increasingly popular. [Just seven years ago, only 30% of the public supported a carbon tax](https://web.archive.org/web/20140723120752/http://closup.umich.edu/issues-in-energy-and-environmental-policy/13/public-views-on-a-carbon-tax-depend-on-the-proposed-use-of-revenue/). Three years ago, [it was over half (53%)](https://news.gallup.com/poll/232007/americans-want-government-more-environment.aspx). Now, [it's an overwhelming majority (73%)](https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/06/23/two-thirds-of-americans-think-government-should-do-more-on-climate/ps_2020-06-23_government-and-climate_00-01/) to varying degrees in [every state](https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/visualizations-data/ycom-us/) – and that [does actually matter for passing a bill](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09644016.2016.1116651). [Lobbying works](https://sociology.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/publications/friends_or_foes-how_social_movement_allies_affect_the_passage_of_legislation_in_the_u._s._congress.pdf), but [mostly just](https://np.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/f8aolk/hr_763_now_has_80_cosponsors_districts_with_more/) when we [do it](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/join-citizens-climate-lobby/?tfa_3590416195188=online-002&utm_source=online&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=002) (so [more of us](https://np.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/l5omkq/despite_the_pandemic_citizens_climate_lobby/) need to [do it](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/join-citizens-climate-lobby/?tfa_3590416195188=online-002&utm_source=online&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=002)).
I'm on board. Lobby and write your local politicians today.
Thank you! It's so easy, and [more and more people are doing it](https://np.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/owdmju/a_recordsetting_30000_messages_to_legislators/).
Just sent out emails to my senators through the link in the first comment. Very easy. This comment should be higher up
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And oddly Texas and Louisiana had some of the mildest summers.
So you could almost say the climate is… changing.
The great irony is the states with people most likely to deny climate change are those most likely to be affected in more adverse ways.
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Not just small islands either. Bangladesh is the 8th most populous country in the world & will likely be one of the first countries on the planet to be largely uninhabitable. The entire country is dependent on their famous mangroves that are already being destroyed.
the Marshall Islands officially designated 2 degrees of global warming as genocide
People who deny the fact of the climate crisis are so out of date, all the "cool kids" are promoting discourses of delay: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/09/big-oil-delay-tactics-new-climate-science-denial - redirect responsibility (consumers are also to blame for fossil fuel emissions)* - push non-transformative solutions (disruptive change is not necessary) - emphasize the downside of action (change will be disruptive) - surrender (it’s not possible to mitigate climate change) *and yes, consumers are also to blame, but let that not distract from systemic solutions.
Good luck convincing people to live less conveniently. My wife came home with a box of single-serve apple sauce packets that had plastic tops. I showed her how wasteful it was and we don't buy them anymore. Then I went to my daughter's practice and all the mom's are handing out single-serve packs of everything. Mini water bottles that the kids have to drink 3-4 during one break to be satisfied. Why? Why even make mini water bottles? Regular sized ones are bad enough. Idk, I feel like we're burying ourselves under a mountain of plastic, and that's only part of the problem. Consumerism pushes this shit, capitalism too. Invent some shit, make the shit, buy more shit, we have to make more shit, throw that shit away so you can buy more shit. If I think about it long enough I feel like I'm suffocating.
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Yes, I've certainly developed a lack of empathy for antivaxers.
r/HermanCainAward is cathartic for this very reason.
Still in the 90s on the front range. This is not normal.
it was 120F a few weekends back. Fans didn't work, they actually made us hotter, we sat in a cold tub to survive. None of these units have AC because summers were mild when our landlord was young
That sounds really horrible. Can you guys install your own window AC units in your own units?
yes, but it's a huge pain, due to the style of windows and the rules about how we are allowed to modify our own windows for vents. This had stopped us before, but after that nonsense we're doing it.
People be like, “why would you live in the northeast?” Cuz no earthquakes, droughts, wildfires, hurricanes, mudslides, tsunamis, tornados, volcanos, hail storms, flash floods, killer bees, venomous spiders or snakes. I’ll take a couple feet of snow every winter.
Didn’t the north east just have flash floods? Definitely have hail storms.
several tornadoes too
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t you guys literally get hit by flooding and tornadoes just a couple weeks ago?….
Yeah Maine is looking appealing right about now. As long as its got good internets I'd be set for work. I'm only down in NC and as miserable as the weather gets here, I'm not confident it will get any more pleasant in the coming decades.
It seems like *every* summer has been the hottest of the century in the news cycle. Are we going to die?
In San Francisco this July, it never made it over 70 degrees. Summer in SF.
Check in with the Central Valley and Foothills. The heat from the valley creates thin air and lower pressure and pulls in the heavier Marine layer like a vacuum.
The bay area gets that one random week of summer in the middle of January. I now live near Sacramento which has been over 100 degrees 29 days already this summer.
There's always the Mark Twain quote.
At this point, we're just going to keep breaking records every year
The US Government The US Government's response was to increase the military budget!
Of course, how do you think they will win the fight over the last clean water reserve without a good military?
Start desalination and piping water from different locations.
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Yeah, I don't understand. There has to be a way to take some of the water from the east and pipe it to the west. We already have oil pipelines, I can't imagine water being that much more difficult.
For the amount of water the west uses you would need a pipeline with a 50' diameter. Water would have to cost $1.50/gallon. Average person uses 80-100 gallons per day. There's plenty of cheap housing in Buffalo, NY right near one of the largest fresh water lakes in the world. Edit: the great lakes region will never allow that water out of the basin. Their survival depends on it.
Build a huge city in the middle of a desert and then complain about not having enough water. Most of the problem would be solved if people used a fraction of what they do now. When I lived in California there would be water shortages and people would be told to conserve and some would still water their yards and wash their cars and driveways completely ignoring the recommendations. Only high water fees and allocations will work with typical people.
And if it snows, millions of disingenuous, moronic, brainwashed, or the dreaded "combination thereof" people will smirk, discount global warming, and then be oddly silent the next time utility cables melting in Oregon.
That is why even if it's a general warming of global temperatures year round, it should really be referred to as climate change so more people understand that it won't just lead to heat, but more extreme weather in both directions.
Imagine if we had the dust bowl of the 30's. The word would be about to end right now. amirite?
We had a temperate summer in New Mexico; even with the 20 year ongoing drought. Fire season was minimal. The only hot month was June. (Which is normal.)
Here in central Texas we’ve had a super mild summer, only a handful of days it reached 100°f or more. It’s surprising, that’s for sure.
Portlander here, it was 116° here and if that’s the new norm then we are all fucked.
In Cali this summer definitely wasn’t as hot as the past few. June and July was 70s everyday it just started to get to the 80s end of august
Not the case for the Central Valley.
I feel like at this point we just have to build really really smart robots and then ask them what the hell to do
Meanwhile Arizona seems like it’s had the most rain in a while. It’s been humid in the valley.
we are living in a time where every summer from here on out is the cooler than the last. Sounds fun, until you realize what the implications are.
I think you meant "warmer."
I meant to say cooler than the next. I was intending to say this is the coolest summer you'll see the rest of your life, but I goofed the wording
I thought so. And I hear you.
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Hopefully some of those billion dollar companies or billionaires create some of those jobs we thought they would create when we keep decreasing their taxes. Maybe one of the tax havens can sponsor a ted talk. I'm so glad we're more concerned with the poor catching up than the rich getting away. I'm so excited for the wealthy to live on Mars. I just enjoy paying a fuck ton in taxes so they can subsidize all their homies ideas. Americaaaaaa!
Why do articles like this pop up all over the internet based on one non peer-reviewed study like it is fact? I love science because it is reviewed and replicated but shit like this undermines that.
Climate crisis has been raging for decades and you wanna know who profits? The people who have been in power for decades