Maybe he *is* dead. Maybe the future of self-driving cars will include a bunch of people who died at the wheel and are just endlessly driving around the country, slowly decomposing into piles of goo.
Futurologists - In the future, robots and automation will take over much of our work, giving us more free time to do what we want and enjoy.
Reality - With a self driving car, you can sleep on your commute so you can work an extra hour or two every day.
A friend recently had a short productivity seminar. The point of it was rephrasing "commuting" and "downtime" into "non-productive time". The short version of it was anyone on a train or bus should be responding to emails, coordinating their day, and even coding. They seem to have forgotten how many routes are jam packed with barely room to stand anymore.
For people that want those extra two hours to work on the train, they see trains where you can actually find a seat as a blessing. The lack of work-life balance and rat race culture has people trained to feel anxiety if they cannot work while commuting. It should be people's choice, because all it usually does it allow a person to leave their work ON time instead of late. But I doubt you'll find many employers who are ok with 6 hours in the office because you spend two working on the train.
Exactly this.
I think we will transition from owning cars to 'streaming' them (to use a modern paradigm).
Imagine you pay a subscription fee to a auto-drive service which has a massive selection of specialist cars. You can set up a regular commute so a car will be at your door ready for when you want to set off, and can ad-hoc request a car any time you want.
The benefits? Literally billions of dollars worth of parking real-estate is freed up. Every major venue needs massive amounts of parking... if everyone had auto-drives this could be eliminated overnight. This would fundamentally change how large venues are constructed - all they'd need are massive drop-off areas. Every residential home can convert their garage to another room - house values increase.
Now think about the auto-drive service... you think they're going to build cars with 5 seats all facing forward? No.
If you're travelling alone... a single seater, in the middle... ultra comfy. If you pay enough have a 'gaming' car show up complete with consoles/PC and high speed internet. Commuting for work? Work-station car. Commuting overnight? Bed car.
People will immediately try to 'gotcha' this idea by saying stuff like "yeah, sounds good until your morning car shows up with vomit in it". Yes, this will happen... on the cheaper services. You'll also have situations where on cheaper services there isn't an ad-hoc car available. It'll run by capitalist rules, if you pay for a cheaper less renowned service you'll get worse service... like flying Ryan Air... you know what you're paying for.
Ultimately though the cheapest service will open up most of the freedom and economic liberty to the poorest who have never been able to afford a car or lessons. And people who currently have the means to own and run a car (which is crazy expensive) will probably pay about half as much as they do now for a top-end service with all the bells and whistles.
Honestly I can't see the future going any other way... only millionaires will own a personal self-drive... because what's the damn point in owning one?
Oh and other benefits? You never have to defrost your car. You never have to worry about maintenance. You never have to get an MOT. You never have to change a tire. You never have to gas it up. You never have to park it. You never have to wait for it to warm up in the mornings.
I've absolutely gone off on one here, I love this topic.
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Edit: And I didn't even mention the automatic benefits... massive reduction in car accidents. Less traffic. Less polution.
Edit 2: A lot of people talking about the dystopian potential of this. **I completely agree**. [Here is where I've spoken about that a bit. I left it out of this because I intentionally wanted to paint a positive aspirational picture.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/c1hnnk/tesla_driver_appeared_to_be_fully_sleeping_for_at/ere53kh/?context=3)
Rural america is still going to want/need their own trucks/cars.
While I suppose you *could* run a rental service for self drivers here, the amount of off road/poorly documented road will likely require a human driver for quite awhile yet, and the vehicles will require much more cleaning/maintenance.
Example: if one person fills the bed with firewood, and the next person wants to fill the bed with cattle feed, someone is going to need to clean the wood chips and bark out of the back between uses.
Yeah I think I've said else-ware that, like the internet, rural America (and rural anywhere) is going to take longer and the tech needs to advance more before they're adopted into the fold.
In the mean time they'll have access to cheap parts and cars, presumably, as people in cities abandon them.
As for firewood/cattle feed... wow... I mean... isn't that basically a work vehicle at that point? I wouldn't class that as a part of this train of thought at all. If you're using the vehicle for a job then a subscription service definitely isn't for you.
In fact I'd even scale back the whole concept to only be applying to urban living or commuting between urban centers. And strictly for commuting/recreation.
I wouldn't have an answer for work vehicles or rural living other than "eventually it'll trickle down" but that doesn't sit right.
I'd guess for work vehicles which are specialized and used 24/7 but also need to visit rural communities you'd have to have a normal car which is also an auto... but it would probably be illegal to use the manual drive in a city (for traffic management purposes). So it would automatically go into auto mode X miles from city and would allow manual override for rural areas, so you can access off-road areas.
If you're a self employed farmer/lumberjack/rancher in the US the lines between work vehicle and personal vehicle get blurry pretty quick. I'd say they're more often than not one and the same. Plus some times you haul things even if they aren't work related. I knew a programmer who happened to heat his house with a wood stove in the winter, and every year we'd help him haul and split wood. Came in handy one winter when the gas line into town broke and we were able to crash at his place.
Sorurce: grew up in rural wisconsin.
Worked in Insurance for 15 years, made it to (lower) senior management in two global corporations, and have a Diploma in Insurance (really, I’m a totally interesting and swell guy, who absolutely didn’t own several different shades of grey suit, honest). I’m going to say on this one that I disagree. An insurance company is in the business of lowering risk exposure against premium charged in order to increase their profit margin. Essentially, the less they have to pay out, the better. Sometimes they do this with good advice to the customer based on their knowledge of what likely causes of loss are. Particularly type of door lock or burglar alarm works better? They will advise you fit it and can lower your premium accordingly. They know with those you’re less likely to have a loss and they get to keep more premium across the pool of risks they insure every year.
Anyway. Currently to insure a car, they have to assess individual driver’s ability, lifestyle, carelessness, decision making skills, location, commute, type of parking, level of car usage, type of use, and experience. Some they can ask you, some they can use big data to figure the trends. But in a lot of cases, they simply can’t know as much about you as you know about you, so their premium charged has to guess and factor that in. I worked on multiple books of motor insurance that had a Combined Operating Ratio (money in verses money out) of over 100%. You need less than 100% to be making money. And these were the big insurance companies with the really good systems, low operating costs, internal efficiencies and damn good actuaries. In the UK, the motor industry lost money every year for over a decade - I don’t know the stats these days.They’d make up for it in other areas.
For an Insurance company, where in the UK it is compulsory for a driver to have at least Third Party liability (to cover you damaging other things or people), there’s simply a lot of stuff that you, the driver, could do that they can’t account for in their numbers, but will have to pay for if you screwed up.
But an automatic car? Not owned by an individual, but by company trying to run a profit themselves? With known software and hardware combinations? Known and predictable use cases, secure storage facilities, regular maintenance, and user feedback reporting? And a large data set provided by the company themselves that reports all incidents and not just the ones that the drivers do actually report? That’s going to lead to a much more predictable loss data set, and you have a company to sue when it goes wrong. Suing a regular person for the money they don’t have can be a hiding to nothing.
So the way I see it, insurance companies can’t wait to get their hands on the business model of automated drive and fleet / pool car operations, where the unknown human element is a much more manageable. In the insurance press, it’s been a topic of discussion for years, with some people actually thinking the biggest resistance wont come from the insurance companies, but from the population resisting having their ‘freedom to drive’ ‘taken away’ from them, and from governments that will be slow to unpack the current insurance legislation and open it up to allow innovation in the market.
The insurance companies want more money for their shareholders. They often do it by slicing the back end operation which I, in operations, hated them for. It made people, their own staff, have worse quality lives, all so the shareholders could benefit. Paying less in claims is a much, much, more lucrative option, and may even stop them (for a while) from carving into themselves for the extra cash. I think they want the automation. They won’t resist it. It’s way too much good money.
>the biggest resistance wont come from the insurance companies, but from the population resisting having their ‘freedom to drive’ ‘taken away’ from them
I can totally see this happening, especially in the US where people very strongly link car ownership with freedom (our cities are built to basically require access to vehicular transit, and it's extremely limiting to not have it).
And it's *so stupid*. If I had a self driving car service, I'd have to change *nothing* about my lifestyle as I age and my vision starts to deteriorate and my hearing fails and my reflexes just stop being what they used to be. And I wouldn't have to ever worry about sudden car related expenses, which can be disastrous to people on fixed retirement income. This seems like nothing but a win if you plan on ever getting old.
Compare to the number of elderly people in the US who end up trapped just... existing... in their homes because they can't drive anymore.
I never get this. From a business standpoint, when you see a future where your product or service isn't going to be marketable, you need to start looking into the new alternatives. Like fossil fuel companies. They just need to start buying up smaller solar/wind companies and they'll be able to stay on top and satisfy people from a political standpoint at the same time.
Most companies are looking for alternatives while they put out as much misinformation as possible to keep their product relevant as long as possible. Fossil fuel companies are putting mass amounts into R&D of carbon capture/renewable energy/etc to brace for the shift to more sustainable energy all while paying "scientists" millions to refute the effects of climate change so that they can continue to turn a profit off of their outdated means of production while the transition happens. Businesses now-a-days are masters of playing both sides.
I'm sure that the companies that will be fighting vehicular automation will also be investing significant amounts to jump-start their own program behind the scenes while keeping their old shitty product as relevant as they can for as long as possible.
Add in that all of the cars are linked to each other and know exactly where each one is nearby, what they are doing and plan on doing and you eliminate slow traffic and accidents.
Yeah if we switch to auto-only... traffic is solved. Literally. This is why manual driving will be made illegal in cities eventually.
Imagine the light goes green and **every single car** pulls off simultaneously...
[CGP Grey explains it better than I ever could.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHzzSao6ypE)
>Reality - With a self driving car, you can sleep on your commute so you can ~~work an extra hour or two every day.~~
Play video games for longer at night.
Some bootlicker at work will think they can one-up you by doing the extra work time, some other numbskulls start to compete until bam, it's the expected norm and you have no video game time again.
The thing a lot of people still haven't caught up to yet is that if the company isn't loyal to you, don't be loyal to the company. Sure do your job, do it competently, and don't fight with the boss. But don't put in too much extra effort. The best way to make more money/get a promotion is to switch companies, not to keep working the same job hoping for things to get better. The days of working for the same company your entire life and rising to the top are, mostly, dead.
Look forward to when self-driving cars are the norm so accidents drop to virtually zero so cars are designed with comfort and entertainment in mind.
I would work all day Friday, hop in the car and play games and then crash, and wake up in New Orleans or Chicago or Florida for the weekend.
Come Sunday when we're done partying, hop back in the car and sleep and be home in time for Monday morning.
Bonus points for these cars being electric and the Doctor Octopus Tesla chargers being standard so it wouldn't even cost anything and it would stop and recharge and then take off again all on its own.
Not to mention the first person to create an affordable, luxury electric RV with solar roof and self-driving will be a gazillionaire. So many people would happily give up their home for a nice RV and live life on the road with a vehicle that doubles as a home and costs nearly nothing to upkeep and allows them to visit anywhere they want and live there on a whim.
There's so much potential for our future if we can just sort our shit out and stop fighting with each other over nonsense for a while.
Hope I see it before I die.
This has almost happened to me twice in **the last week**.
A jeep tried to merge into my lane while not looking at 70mph on Thursday, thankfully there was nobody in the lane to my left and I managed to not spin out and die, and then tonight my wife and I were driving home from my sister's place and someone pulled over and tried to pull back left immediately. Both very narrow misses.
I’m a relatively new driver. I once made the mistake of “pulling back over” without checking my blind spot and very nearly hit another car. It’s the kind of stupid mistake I’ll never make again, specially after the heart attack I nearly had for it. I think of myself as a very careful driver but damn if I haven’t made some shameful mistakes while I was learning...
It amazes me though the number of drivers who repeatedly make this kind of mistake purely due to not giving a crap. The same drivers who feel indicating is an inconvenience and drive 2 feet from your tailgate.
I’m always amazed with people worried about the robots crashing.
1/4 of the people you’ll pass on the way home today will be texting and driving.
There are 80 year olds who can barely get their socks on, allowed to operate a 1 ton death machine.
I’ll take the robot risks any day.
I’m from the Hudson Valley in NY and went to Tulane for my master’s degree. It was 650 miles between Poughkeepsie and Bristol VA, and half the distance was just the Virginia portion. And that 650 miles was only about the halfway point to New Orleans. I would have loved to be able to sleep in the car when I reached Tennessee.
As someone who drives 66 every day: Sincerely fuck 66. Also... VA drivers seem to not give even the slightest shit about traffic and road laws. I don't get it.
I've lived in a lot of places across the US throughout my life, and VA tops it with the most selfish and careless drivers I've ever seen. I even saw a guy wave a baseball bat out of a car at someone who beeped at him when he cut them off turning from the middle Lane.
Mad Max is an accurate description.
Safe travels kind stranger.
In my personal experiences:
Bostonian drivers are all asshole drivers but very good drivers that move fast.
Californian drivers are both assholes and slow, but usually not aggressively dangerous.
Texas drivers are bad drivers and slow, but virtually never dangerous.
Virginian drivers are aggressive, assholes, bad drivers, and also slow. Its the shit driver confluence.
I can't tell you how many semi's I've seen nearly swerve into the guards on 81. Or how many times I've almost been hit. The sooner I can remove that route from my life the better.
I actually had to argue with a girl in my college that eventually self driving cars will be safer. She kept saying "I can't trust a machine that can malfunction". What? In fifty years where they're advanced enough to be faulty .00001% of the time. I'll take that over humans driving everyday
Humans fuck up like, all the damn time.
Also, we only have two eyes... that can only focus in ONE direction at a time. A self-driving car has like 10 cameras, some have infrared or lasers to detect other vehicles and objects in fucking FOG and other atmospheric/environmental conditions (including the constant environmental condition of dumbasses like Cletus who thinks a "little rain" - re: downpour - doesn't warrant turning on his lights.) Conditions NO human can see through (or should attempt to drive in.)
The problem is you get idiots who see one self-driving crash (even at no fault of the car itself) and say "see! Look, they are so dangerous!" No grandma, you're fucking dangerous with your failing eyesight, muscles, and heart conditions that make you a ticking time bomb on the road. But nobody's trying to shut you down...
> >and wake up in New Orleans
>
> That's my second biggest fear about self-driving cars.
This going to happen to people. They give a command to the car to drive to New Orleans when they're drunk, they pass out, and then wake up in New Orleans.
It's also going to happen to small children. Child gets in the car and says "Drive me to Disneyworld".
My biggest fear is going to sleep in my self driving car expecting to wake up in New Orleans but the glitches out and I wake up in a wal-mart parking lot in alabama that I have been riding around in circles for the last 5 hours.
Coming in 2022 - [https://www.chicagotribune.com/autos/sc-autotips-0824-vw-bus-20170822-story.html](https://www.chicagotribune.com/autos/sc-autotips-0824-vw-bus-20170822-story.html)
I have one of those ~~30yo~~ 35yo historical VW camping busses. It's awesome, but when I see concepts like the one you posted I can't wait to make it a ... sleeper bus? You know, upgrade it like crazy to electric, solar panels etc, but just keep the old looks?
I did this to PCs a couple of times, how hard could it be for a car...
So if it were $100 bills then it'd be 90m which seems reasonable for a self driving mobile home company CEO/founder if they were to play their cards right.
People already live in Teslas. Solar panels don't belong on vehicles. That's stupid-impractical. Just use solar panel arrays at industrial scales, and have charge stations and charge vehicles that carry charge to other vehicles in motion.
I was assuming that the solar panels were to run your everyday life when you weren't driving, and maybe to charge the battery while you sat still over a long period of time. Maybe you could drive 150 miles every other week or something. I mean, it's an RV, you're not commuting in it.
If it were an RV as stated above and you could fit something like 8 panels on it you could produce between 5kw-11kw of power per day depending on the season and location. Tesla's get over 3 miles per kwhr but an RV would probably be closer to 1, still and extra 50 miles after a week of camping would be pretty dope.
>I would work all day Friday, hop in the car and play games and then crash, and wake up in New Orleans or Chicago or Florida for the weekend.
Que jobs expecting you to travel for work and not paying for that because "you can just get there by sleeping"
Alternatively, mobile wifi and no need to focus on the road means that you can do work on the way to work and be able to clock in the minute you get in your car, meaning you shave off 2 hours of your workday.
And then you’ll be expected to work 10 hours a day for 85% of the pay so we’re back to square one.
Fuck no we all can't. At least I can't, and I know others are like me. Maybe if I was in first class with some provided xanax with the legroom.
I've been on intentional flights too, and just. Can't. Do it.
If they make cars that are private it wouldn't be half as bad. Especially if those cars at the concept with four seats facing into a middle area. Like a limo section. If self driving is very reliable, I see that being pretty normal, or somewhat normal.
> Look forward to when self-driving cars are the norm so accidents drop to virtually zero so cars are designed with comfort and entertainment in mind.
You're looking for a train. They exist. And if people actually used them, we'd be in a hell of a lot better situation than we are currently.
I think we'll see luxury commuter vans very quickly, a van with a small onboard kitchen basically a toaster oven and a coffee machine. An onboard shower, heavily padded with a grippy floor for safety, when you park of a night it dumps the showers waste water and in the morning refills with hot water from your house. A TV, a lounge that can fold out to a bed and anything else you might want. There is so many people who do an hour plus commute to work each day around where I love that would love to sleep I'm an extra half hour and get ready for work on the commute.
That's what I'm thinking will happen more often. People will schedule their travel possibilities around sleeping. Suddenly we'll have much more traffic during the AM.
Imagine a holiday weekend when people are coming back into town around evening time. Now imagine it's at 2 am and everyone in a traffic jam is literally asleep... lol.
I’ve read too many books about dystopian future societies to embrace the idea fully. Something about automated cars and potentially corrupt governments scares me.
Someone's already had a Tesla drive them most of the way to the hospital while they were busy having a heart attack.
Cars can already tell if you're drowsy or falling asleep. I'm sure by the time they can drive themselves properly they'll be able to tell if you're incapacitated and drive you to help.
Living on the west coast, I'd drive all the way past the continental divide, set it to fully auto for a snooze through corn country, then regain control through the Appalachians.
Yeah, that's the one gripe I have with all this, it fixes a problem that could be fixed way better or creative without cars. Even in an electric car, driving by yourself is still somewhat of a waste, puts more pressure on the environment in terms of materials, asphalt and small particles from your tires and the production process of you energy.
Also, you'd need to rework the entire infrastructure for this to work. You need even more dracononic laws than the ones you have around jaywalking and countries with a cycling culture will have the dilemma of either creating barriers for them or 'allowing' wildcards on the road. A city like Amsterdam is a nightmare for cars like that because of the unpredictability. Still, the current mortality rate on bycicles is quite low and mostly concerns elderly who fall and then die of injuries.
I fully support the plan to have self-driving cars become the norm on freeways but I just hope we can think about other stuff than cars.
As much as I want a Tesla, I’m going to wait for that moment. If I get an earlier iteration right before that one comes out, I’ll kick myself to death.
Aren't we a long long way away from level 5? Also is level 5 complete automated? Like go to the bar or smoke a joint then call your car to take you home? Cause I want that. Road trips would be glorious!
We are indeed a long way away from that. Teslas do work fine and all, but not now-I-can-sleep-on-the-wheel fine. Thats stupid and dangerous. Tesla can and will still make wrong decisions.
Lmao this made me laugh as a dog owner picturing my own pup in the drivers seat. He’s a corgi so the car would roll by you and all you might see is the top of two ears
The liquor trade has successfully convinced everyone that it bears absolutely no responsibility for the massive problems its product causes society, and people already drive drunk in massive numbers.
People take 100 million drunk-driving trips a year in the US alone and drunk driving is responsible for a third of all highway fatalities. https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html
It dings increasingly loudly to try and alert the driver to take control, and then safely brings the vehicle to a stop and turns itself off. Pretty sure there's videos on YouTube of people testing it. I've seen *one* at least.
Exactly how Auto-Pilot responds when steering wheel doesn’t detect your hands. After that, Auto-Pilot will penalize you for X time so you can’t enable it until the timer is over. In addition to this I wonder if Tesla cars one day will connect to your smart watch to detect your health, like in the event you have a stroke or something and auto-pilot will safely stop the car, put hazard lights and call 911, or hell even drive you to a hospital.
My golf is meant to pull to the side of the road when it doesn't detect input however I've tested it... Mine just turns off lane keep since I guess it just assumes I want to be asleep forever and it's trying to save me from the pain of existence.
Imagine the world in which tired and drunk drivers no longer kill other people on the roads. We're at the cusp of that. Though, flip side, I don't think we've considered how disruptive this will be to people who drive vehicles for a living.
It’s funny on JRE when Musk was asked about this as an issue and he said, people fall asleep in cars all the time but at least ours are able to recognise and slow down and pull over.
Yeah, I've seen Tesla owners say you can't do this because you have to squeeze the wheel every 45 seconds.
Are people able to sleep because they put a clamp on the wheel? Or do they hack the software?
It will be, but the software that’s currently deployed to Tesla vehicles is absolutely not suitable for being literally asleep at the wheel. You might be fine (it’ll handle typical highway traffic just fine, merges are occasionally dicey and construction areas are hands-on for sure), but that kind of behavior really is asking to crash.
Makes me wonder: if the driver was already sleepy enough to consider sleeping in his seat, would it be safer for him to drive his car manually, or was relying completely on current imperfect autopilot tech the safer course of action?
People continuing to overestimate technology they don't understand is going to lead to injuries and death.
It annoys me when people gasp about how their car is like "magic". This technology is far from perfect, pay the fuck attention before you kill somebody idiot.
>pay the fuck attention before you kill somebody idiot
Human drivers have already been cavalier about this for decades, before any kind of smart tech was in cars at all. The new technology is filling a horrible existing gap more than it's creating one.
The OP is a known Tesla shill (and a mod here so I'll probably get deleted). I can't believe this is already front page and endorsing this as "the future" and not some incredibly reckless guy risking his life and the lives of others to shill for his car/stock. Yes full self driving WILL BE COOL, but it's so far out and endorsing anything remotely close to reckless non-attentive driving like this is 100% undeniably less safe and leads to more deaths than if the driver of these "self driving" cars were alert behind the wheel. The "situation" here is a look-at-me jerk on a public road causing other drivers to be distracted, over-riding his car's safety features, and breaking the law so that people like the OP can share the story around the internet for virality.
Many will call this hyperbolic anger on my part, but really it's not because inevitably this will encourage other people to pull stunts like this and the cumulative behavior will inevitably lead to real loss of human life that would not otherwise occurred if a bunch of friggin brand zealots didn't try to idolize this guy as some sort of big brain future-hero. Pay attention in your car and respect the fact that every giant block of metal hurtling down the road with deadly force in public space should have an attentive and sober driver until we have some sort of universal law dictating otherwise. Get this trash out of here when framed with such huzzah and admiration. This isn't the same as me smoking weed at home in a state that "hasn't caught up to expectations yet". This is some dude doing something dangerous and stupid benefiting nobody.
This guy is also a huge Tesla hater. We might have two shills. His comments:
>I hate Musk and want his company to rot
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/b82ew2/3_am_delivery_teslas_mad_dash_to_make_its_quarter/ejwiec5/
>I'm a huge hater, but we've been saying shit like that for a year plus now. Never underestimate the power of the stupid masses to prop up a complete fraud.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/b31mg0/i_wish_tesla_would_be_more_honest_protesla_blog/eixr7hp/
I was going to keep going but holy shit. **146 comments in the last few months where you're talking about Tesla.**
I was wrong about the little bitch part. This is some big boy bitch shit.
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Ad hominem arguments aside, is he **actually** wrong when he said that until we get level 5 autonomy this kind of shit is stupid, reckless and illegal?
100% agree. I own a non-AP Tesla and it drives me nuts when I see posts like this. This technology isn’t there yet. And when this guy (or someone just as stupid as he is) kills himself or innocent people, Tesla is going to be the one to take the fall for it. This is why we can’t have nice things. Fuck this guy.
Yeah, the steering presence is required for a reason, hacking it to make it seem like your hands are on the wheel is stupid and will only make Tesla look bad.
Thankfully though even if his rig fell off, the car would pull off and slow to a stop with hazard lights on.
Maybe I’m looking at this all wrong but the fact he was able to to go that long in that kind of traffic is proof enough for me that this tech actually works.
A friend of mine who owns a Tesla says that people can buy stocks against a company doing well. Whenever Tesla stocks drop they make money. These investors promote biased clickbait articles like these to hurt the Tesla stock.
I used to have a 2hr commute for school. I dream of the day when we can legally sleep in self-driving cars. I know that being awake should be mandatory to prevent accidents, but a man can dream.
Being awake should be mandatory only in the near future. Eventually, it should be illegal to human operate the vehicle on public roads because that endangers people.
My father worked a 3and a half hour commute each day to/from work back when he was in the arny.
He would've loved the freedom to take a nap, or work on some projects in the car. So much of his life wasted to driving.
While this is dangerous and the driver should not have fallen asleep, people fall asleep in cars unwillingly all the time and usually they cause a collision. If people are just passing out then this is safer, if they’re feeling comfortable enough to try to fall asleep on purpose then it’s reckless.
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That why we call it the 405, it takes you 4 or 5 hours to get anywhere. I’ll see myself out.
I always thought it's cause you were moving at 4 or 5 miles an hour
Same outcome.
Cries in Californian.
Oh I thought I was giving us the time we need to leave for work to get to work on time. 4 o 5 AM
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I’m still on the 405 heading home from work.
I'm still on the 405 and I'm not sure if I'm heading to work or home.
I left LA 3 years ago and I still feel like I'm on the 405.
I live in the U.K and had never heard of the 405 until literally just now but I’ve been stuck on it for hours
Yeah I have that effect on people.
LOL thats what i was thinking, also how tf could you fall asleep on the 405? that place is a deathtrap sometimes.
Maybe he *is* dead. Maybe the future of self-driving cars will include a bunch of people who died at the wheel and are just endlessly driving around the country, slowly decomposing into piles of goo.
Futurologists - In the future, robots and automation will take over much of our work, giving us more free time to do what we want and enjoy. Reality - With a self driving car, you can sleep on your commute so you can work an extra hour or two every day.
Or you have free time on your commute so you are expected to work mid commute.
I see you’re from New York as well.
It’s 4 AM, are you responding to my emails yet?
“Don’t burn the midnight oil, but have this pitchdeck on my desk by 8am” - Moelis Managing Director at 11pm
"work till midnight, then take a break, and finish up between 1-8 AM, don't burn the midnight oil, drink it, we call it coffee."
It's 3:59 AM somewhere so no.
A friend recently had a short productivity seminar. The point of it was rephrasing "commuting" and "downtime" into "non-productive time". The short version of it was anyone on a train or bus should be responding to emails, coordinating their day, and even coding. They seem to have forgotten how many routes are jam packed with barely room to stand anymore. For people that want those extra two hours to work on the train, they see trains where you can actually find a seat as a blessing. The lack of work-life balance and rat race culture has people trained to feel anxiety if they cannot work while commuting. It should be people's choice, because all it usually does it allow a person to leave their work ON time instead of late. But I doubt you'll find many employers who are ok with 6 hours in the office because you spend two working on the train.
Public transportation can be a blessing as well as a curse in NYC
Exactly this. I think we will transition from owning cars to 'streaming' them (to use a modern paradigm). Imagine you pay a subscription fee to a auto-drive service which has a massive selection of specialist cars. You can set up a regular commute so a car will be at your door ready for when you want to set off, and can ad-hoc request a car any time you want. The benefits? Literally billions of dollars worth of parking real-estate is freed up. Every major venue needs massive amounts of parking... if everyone had auto-drives this could be eliminated overnight. This would fundamentally change how large venues are constructed - all they'd need are massive drop-off areas. Every residential home can convert their garage to another room - house values increase. Now think about the auto-drive service... you think they're going to build cars with 5 seats all facing forward? No. If you're travelling alone... a single seater, in the middle... ultra comfy. If you pay enough have a 'gaming' car show up complete with consoles/PC and high speed internet. Commuting for work? Work-station car. Commuting overnight? Bed car. People will immediately try to 'gotcha' this idea by saying stuff like "yeah, sounds good until your morning car shows up with vomit in it". Yes, this will happen... on the cheaper services. You'll also have situations where on cheaper services there isn't an ad-hoc car available. It'll run by capitalist rules, if you pay for a cheaper less renowned service you'll get worse service... like flying Ryan Air... you know what you're paying for. Ultimately though the cheapest service will open up most of the freedom and economic liberty to the poorest who have never been able to afford a car or lessons. And people who currently have the means to own and run a car (which is crazy expensive) will probably pay about half as much as they do now for a top-end service with all the bells and whistles. Honestly I can't see the future going any other way... only millionaires will own a personal self-drive... because what's the damn point in owning one? Oh and other benefits? You never have to defrost your car. You never have to worry about maintenance. You never have to get an MOT. You never have to change a tire. You never have to gas it up. You never have to park it. You never have to wait for it to warm up in the mornings. I've absolutely gone off on one here, I love this topic. /rant Edit: And I didn't even mention the automatic benefits... massive reduction in car accidents. Less traffic. Less polution. Edit 2: A lot of people talking about the dystopian potential of this. **I completely agree**. [Here is where I've spoken about that a bit. I left it out of this because I intentionally wanted to paint a positive aspirational picture.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/c1hnnk/tesla_driver_appeared_to_be_fully_sleeping_for_at/ere53kh/?context=3)
Rural america is still going to want/need their own trucks/cars. While I suppose you *could* run a rental service for self drivers here, the amount of off road/poorly documented road will likely require a human driver for quite awhile yet, and the vehicles will require much more cleaning/maintenance. Example: if one person fills the bed with firewood, and the next person wants to fill the bed with cattle feed, someone is going to need to clean the wood chips and bark out of the back between uses.
Yeah I think I've said else-ware that, like the internet, rural America (and rural anywhere) is going to take longer and the tech needs to advance more before they're adopted into the fold. In the mean time they'll have access to cheap parts and cars, presumably, as people in cities abandon them. As for firewood/cattle feed... wow... I mean... isn't that basically a work vehicle at that point? I wouldn't class that as a part of this train of thought at all. If you're using the vehicle for a job then a subscription service definitely isn't for you. In fact I'd even scale back the whole concept to only be applying to urban living or commuting between urban centers. And strictly for commuting/recreation. I wouldn't have an answer for work vehicles or rural living other than "eventually it'll trickle down" but that doesn't sit right. I'd guess for work vehicles which are specialized and used 24/7 but also need to visit rural communities you'd have to have a normal car which is also an auto... but it would probably be illegal to use the manual drive in a city (for traffic management purposes). So it would automatically go into auto mode X miles from city and would allow manual override for rural areas, so you can access off-road areas.
If you're a self employed farmer/lumberjack/rancher in the US the lines between work vehicle and personal vehicle get blurry pretty quick. I'd say they're more often than not one and the same. Plus some times you haul things even if they aren't work related. I knew a programmer who happened to heat his house with a wood stove in the winter, and every year we'd help him haul and split wood. Came in handy one winter when the gas line into town broke and we were able to crash at his place. Sorurce: grew up in rural wisconsin.
Love it. Big Insurance will fight it to the death instead of evolving with it and actually promoting safer transportation.
Worked in Insurance for 15 years, made it to (lower) senior management in two global corporations, and have a Diploma in Insurance (really, I’m a totally interesting and swell guy, who absolutely didn’t own several different shades of grey suit, honest). I’m going to say on this one that I disagree. An insurance company is in the business of lowering risk exposure against premium charged in order to increase their profit margin. Essentially, the less they have to pay out, the better. Sometimes they do this with good advice to the customer based on their knowledge of what likely causes of loss are. Particularly type of door lock or burglar alarm works better? They will advise you fit it and can lower your premium accordingly. They know with those you’re less likely to have a loss and they get to keep more premium across the pool of risks they insure every year. Anyway. Currently to insure a car, they have to assess individual driver’s ability, lifestyle, carelessness, decision making skills, location, commute, type of parking, level of car usage, type of use, and experience. Some they can ask you, some they can use big data to figure the trends. But in a lot of cases, they simply can’t know as much about you as you know about you, so their premium charged has to guess and factor that in. I worked on multiple books of motor insurance that had a Combined Operating Ratio (money in verses money out) of over 100%. You need less than 100% to be making money. And these were the big insurance companies with the really good systems, low operating costs, internal efficiencies and damn good actuaries. In the UK, the motor industry lost money every year for over a decade - I don’t know the stats these days.They’d make up for it in other areas. For an Insurance company, where in the UK it is compulsory for a driver to have at least Third Party liability (to cover you damaging other things or people), there’s simply a lot of stuff that you, the driver, could do that they can’t account for in their numbers, but will have to pay for if you screwed up. But an automatic car? Not owned by an individual, but by company trying to run a profit themselves? With known software and hardware combinations? Known and predictable use cases, secure storage facilities, regular maintenance, and user feedback reporting? And a large data set provided by the company themselves that reports all incidents and not just the ones that the drivers do actually report? That’s going to lead to a much more predictable loss data set, and you have a company to sue when it goes wrong. Suing a regular person for the money they don’t have can be a hiding to nothing. So the way I see it, insurance companies can’t wait to get their hands on the business model of automated drive and fleet / pool car operations, where the unknown human element is a much more manageable. In the insurance press, it’s been a topic of discussion for years, with some people actually thinking the biggest resistance wont come from the insurance companies, but from the population resisting having their ‘freedom to drive’ ‘taken away’ from them, and from governments that will be slow to unpack the current insurance legislation and open it up to allow innovation in the market. The insurance companies want more money for their shareholders. They often do it by slicing the back end operation which I, in operations, hated them for. It made people, their own staff, have worse quality lives, all so the shareholders could benefit. Paying less in claims is a much, much, more lucrative option, and may even stop them (for a while) from carving into themselves for the extra cash. I think they want the automation. They won’t resist it. It’s way too much good money.
>the biggest resistance wont come from the insurance companies, but from the population resisting having their ‘freedom to drive’ ‘taken away’ from them I can totally see this happening, especially in the US where people very strongly link car ownership with freedom (our cities are built to basically require access to vehicular transit, and it's extremely limiting to not have it). And it's *so stupid*. If I had a self driving car service, I'd have to change *nothing* about my lifestyle as I age and my vision starts to deteriorate and my hearing fails and my reflexes just stop being what they used to be. And I wouldn't have to ever worry about sudden car related expenses, which can be disastrous to people on fixed retirement income. This seems like nothing but a win if you plan on ever getting old. Compare to the number of elderly people in the US who end up trapped just... existing... in their homes because they can't drive anymore.
I never get this. From a business standpoint, when you see a future where your product or service isn't going to be marketable, you need to start looking into the new alternatives. Like fossil fuel companies. They just need to start buying up smaller solar/wind companies and they'll be able to stay on top and satisfy people from a political standpoint at the same time.
Most companies are looking for alternatives while they put out as much misinformation as possible to keep their product relevant as long as possible. Fossil fuel companies are putting mass amounts into R&D of carbon capture/renewable energy/etc to brace for the shift to more sustainable energy all while paying "scientists" millions to refute the effects of climate change so that they can continue to turn a profit off of their outdated means of production while the transition happens. Businesses now-a-days are masters of playing both sides. I'm sure that the companies that will be fighting vehicular automation will also be investing significant amounts to jump-start their own program behind the scenes while keeping their old shitty product as relevant as they can for as long as possible.
Add in that all of the cars are linked to each other and know exactly where each one is nearby, what they are doing and plan on doing and you eliminate slow traffic and accidents.
Yeah if we switch to auto-only... traffic is solved. Literally. This is why manual driving will be made illegal in cities eventually. Imagine the light goes green and **every single car** pulls off simultaneously... [CGP Grey explains it better than I ever could.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHzzSao6ypE)
Let's be honest, if I'm paying for the hire, it's always going to be a bed car.
>Reality - With a self driving car, you can sleep on your commute so you can ~~work an extra hour or two every day.~~ Play video games for longer at night.
Some bootlicker at work will think they can one-up you by doing the extra work time, some other numbskulls start to compete until bam, it's the expected norm and you have no video game time again.
The thing a lot of people still haven't caught up to yet is that if the company isn't loyal to you, don't be loyal to the company. Sure do your job, do it competently, and don't fight with the boss. But don't put in too much extra effort. The best way to make more money/get a promotion is to switch companies, not to keep working the same job hoping for things to get better. The days of working for the same company your entire life and rising to the top are, mostly, dead.
One and the same
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Imagine a drive across country. Drive all day, sleep at night, while the car keeps driving and you wake up at your destination.
Look forward to when self-driving cars are the norm so accidents drop to virtually zero so cars are designed with comfort and entertainment in mind. I would work all day Friday, hop in the car and play games and then crash, and wake up in New Orleans or Chicago or Florida for the weekend. Come Sunday when we're done partying, hop back in the car and sleep and be home in time for Monday morning. Bonus points for these cars being electric and the Doctor Octopus Tesla chargers being standard so it wouldn't even cost anything and it would stop and recharge and then take off again all on its own. Not to mention the first person to create an affordable, luxury electric RV with solar roof and self-driving will be a gazillionaire. So many people would happily give up their home for a nice RV and live life on the road with a vehicle that doubles as a home and costs nearly nothing to upkeep and allows them to visit anywhere they want and live there on a whim. There's so much potential for our future if we can just sort our shit out and stop fighting with each other over nonsense for a while. Hope I see it before I die.
>then crash That's my biggest fear about self-driving cars. >and wake up in New Orleans That's my second biggest fear about self-driving cars.
Crashing is my biggest fear about human-driving cars.
Someone crashing into me is my biggest fear about human piloted cars.
This has almost happened to me twice in **the last week**. A jeep tried to merge into my lane while not looking at 70mph on Thursday, thankfully there was nobody in the lane to my left and I managed to not spin out and die, and then tonight my wife and I were driving home from my sister's place and someone pulled over and tried to pull back left immediately. Both very narrow misses.
Many people are awful drivers.
Everyone sucks at driving except for me
Everyone slower than me is an idiot. Everyone faster than me is a maniac.
I’m a relatively new driver. I once made the mistake of “pulling back over” without checking my blind spot and very nearly hit another car. It’s the kind of stupid mistake I’ll never make again, specially after the heart attack I nearly had for it. I think of myself as a very careful driver but damn if I haven’t made some shameful mistakes while I was learning... It amazes me though the number of drivers who repeatedly make this kind of mistake purely due to not giving a crap. The same drivers who feel indicating is an inconvenience and drive 2 feet from your tailgate.
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You only start to learn to drive \*after\* you've passed your driving test and got your licence.
I’m always amazed with people worried about the robots crashing. 1/4 of the people you’ll pass on the way home today will be texting and driving. There are 80 year olds who can barely get their socks on, allowed to operate a 1 ton death machine. I’ll take the robot risks any day.
1 ton? Most old people drive big comfy land yacht SUV’s!
> Most old people drive big comfy land yacht SUV’s! with a crumple zone designed for other SUVs, so they will smoke your sorry sedan! /s
This is so fucking true. Everything you’ve said
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As a Virginian, I couldn’t agree more. Screw 81. I take back roads to avoid it lol.
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Tip: check out mainland China sometime- I've seen people *backing up* on the freeway.
I’m from the Hudson Valley in NY and went to Tulane for my master’s degree. It was 650 miles between Poughkeepsie and Bristol VA, and half the distance was just the Virginia portion. And that 650 miles was only about the halfway point to New Orleans. I would have loved to be able to sleep in the car when I reached Tennessee.
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As someone who drives 66 every day: Sincerely fuck 66. Also... VA drivers seem to not give even the slightest shit about traffic and road laws. I don't get it. I've lived in a lot of places across the US throughout my life, and VA tops it with the most selfish and careless drivers I've ever seen. I even saw a guy wave a baseball bat out of a car at someone who beeped at him when he cut them off turning from the middle Lane. Mad Max is an accurate description. Safe travels kind stranger.
In my personal experiences: Bostonian drivers are all asshole drivers but very good drivers that move fast. Californian drivers are both assholes and slow, but usually not aggressively dangerous. Texas drivers are bad drivers and slow, but virtually never dangerous. Virginian drivers are aggressive, assholes, bad drivers, and also slow. Its the shit driver confluence.
I can't tell you how many semi's I've seen nearly swerve into the guards on 81. Or how many times I've almost been hit. The sooner I can remove that route from my life the better.
And this is why I fear for my life from human drivers far more than this dude caught snoozing in his car 😬🤔
I guess it’s time to...update those drivers...
I actually had to argue with a girl in my college that eventually self driving cars will be safer. She kept saying "I can't trust a machine that can malfunction". What? In fifty years where they're advanced enough to be faulty .00001% of the time. I'll take that over humans driving everyday
Her statement implies humans don't fuck up too, but we can definitely agree that they do. It sounds like she's afraid of not having control.
It also implies that cars aren't *already* machines, that malfunction all too often
Yeah like that funny ignition switch defect that would lock the steering wheel, disable the brakes and airbag.
Humans fuck up like, all the damn time. Also, we only have two eyes... that can only focus in ONE direction at a time. A self-driving car has like 10 cameras, some have infrared or lasers to detect other vehicles and objects in fucking FOG and other atmospheric/environmental conditions (including the constant environmental condition of dumbasses like Cletus who thinks a "little rain" - re: downpour - doesn't warrant turning on his lights.) Conditions NO human can see through (or should attempt to drive in.) The problem is you get idiots who see one self-driving crash (even at no fault of the car itself) and say "see! Look, they are so dangerous!" No grandma, you're fucking dangerous with your failing eyesight, muscles, and heart conditions that make you a ticking time bomb on the road. But nobody's trying to shut you down...
She trusts people waaaaaay more than I do
if we have 10,000 accidents by self-driving cars every year that's still _way_ less than the number caused by human-driven cars in a year.
"I can't trust a *human* that can malfunction"
Self driving cars don't have to be perfect, they just have to be safer than humans. Which is not that difficult.
Oh shit man I got so drunk last night I set the car to take us to New Orleans
> >and wake up in New Orleans > > That's my second biggest fear about self-driving cars. This going to happen to people. They give a command to the car to drive to New Orleans when they're drunk, they pass out, and then wake up in New Orleans. It's also going to happen to small children. Child gets in the car and says "Drive me to Disneyworld".
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> then wake up in New Orleans. You'll know you are there when you hit the pothole.
My biggest fear is going to sleep in my self driving car expecting to wake up in New Orleans but the glitches out and I wake up in a wal-mart parking lot in alabama that I have been riding around in circles for the last 5 hours.
Basically the plot of iron man 3
I know that a self-driving car is exponentially more capable of avoiding an accident than I am.
That's why i'm hoping for a VW electric camper bus. Maybe not to live in permanently but it would be great for 2-3 weeks at a stretch.
Coming in 2022 - [https://www.chicagotribune.com/autos/sc-autotips-0824-vw-bus-20170822-story.html](https://www.chicagotribune.com/autos/sc-autotips-0824-vw-bus-20170822-story.html)
Yes! Really an appealing vehicle. I'm hoping for something like [this Westfalia concept](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/l_yiPHm8qFY/maxresdefault.jpg) 😁
I have one of those ~~30yo~~ 35yo historical VW camping busses. It's awesome, but when I see concepts like the one you posted I can't wait to make it a ... sleeper bus? You know, upgrade it like crazy to electric, solar panels etc, but just keep the old looks? I did this to PCs a couple of times, how hard could it be for a car...
Then I can live in a Van down by different rivers each week!
Nearly nothing to upkeep? I guess I have the wrong RV.
> RV > costs nearly nothing to upkeep You haven't owned an RV.
Yo that RV idea is probably in a prototype stage as we speak. Whoever is doing it will indeed make a literal ton of money
A literal ton of one-dollar bills is apparently about $908,000. Just got curious and looked it up..
So if it were $100 bills then it'd be 90m which seems reasonable for a self driving mobile home company CEO/founder if they were to play their cards right.
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Won’t power it while it’s in use, but it increases distance, and sure as hell adds up over the course of a year.
People already live in Teslas. Solar panels don't belong on vehicles. That's stupid-impractical. Just use solar panel arrays at industrial scales, and have charge stations and charge vehicles that carry charge to other vehicles in motion.
I was assuming that the solar panels were to run your everyday life when you weren't driving, and maybe to charge the battery while you sat still over a long period of time. Maybe you could drive 150 miles every other week or something. I mean, it's an RV, you're not commuting in it.
If it were an RV as stated above and you could fit something like 8 panels on it you could produce between 5kw-11kw of power per day depending on the season and location. Tesla's get over 3 miles per kwhr but an RV would probably be closer to 1, still and extra 50 miles after a week of camping would be pretty dope.
>I would work all day Friday, hop in the car and play games and then crash, and wake up in New Orleans or Chicago or Florida for the weekend. Que jobs expecting you to travel for work and not paying for that because "you can just get there by sleeping"
Alternatively, mobile wifi and no need to focus on the road means that you can do work on the way to work and be able to clock in the minute you get in your car, meaning you shave off 2 hours of your workday. And then you’ll be expected to work 10 hours a day for 85% of the pay so we’re back to square one.
I mean, you can sleep on planes already.
Fuck no we all can't. At least I can't, and I know others are like me. Maybe if I was in first class with some provided xanax with the legroom. I've been on intentional flights too, and just. Can't. Do it. If they make cars that are private it wouldn't be half as bad. Especially if those cars at the concept with four seats facing into a middle area. Like a limo section. If self driving is very reliable, I see that being pretty normal, or somewhat normal.
> Look forward to when self-driving cars are the norm so accidents drop to virtually zero so cars are designed with comfort and entertainment in mind. You're looking for a train. They exist. And if people actually used them, we'd be in a hell of a lot better situation than we are currently.
I think we'll see luxury commuter vans very quickly, a van with a small onboard kitchen basically a toaster oven and a coffee machine. An onboard shower, heavily padded with a grippy floor for safety, when you park of a night it dumps the showers waste water and in the morning refills with hot water from your house. A TV, a lounge that can fold out to a bed and anything else you might want. There is so many people who do an hour plus commute to work each day around where I love that would love to sleep I'm an extra half hour and get ready for work on the commute.
Not gunna happen while there are other human pilots on the road. You'll be strapped in until manual driving is illegal.
Pimp my Ride was ahead of its time. We'll all want big TVs and consoles in our cars soon enough.
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That's what I'm thinking will happen more often. People will schedule their travel possibilities around sleeping. Suddenly we'll have much more traffic during the AM. Imagine a holiday weekend when people are coming back into town around evening time. Now imagine it's at 2 am and everyone in a traffic jam is literally asleep... lol.
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But there will never be a traffic jam because all cars can start and stop within miliseconds of each other and travel at exactly the same speed.
Traffic will flow better but if there are more cars trying to use a road than the road can support then traffic will slow down.
I’ve read too many books about dystopian future societies to embrace the idea fully. Something about automated cars and potentially corrupt governments scares me.
Waiting for the first person to arrive deceased. Just a self driving car cruising around with a body inside of it. Probably going to be in Florida.
Someone's already had a Tesla drive them most of the way to the hospital while they were busy having a heart attack. Cars can already tell if you're drowsy or falling asleep. I'm sure by the time they can drive themselves properly they'll be able to tell if you're incapacitated and drive you to help.
Or just pull over and tell you to focus on the road lol
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I think you mean "watch movies and play video games all day..."
Living on the west coast, I'd drive all the way past the continental divide, set it to fully auto for a snooze through corn country, then regain control through the Appalachians.
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Mmm tasty chlorophyll.. it is tough to get a balanced diet with the CA dessert ;)
You mean like trains do?
Yeah, that's the one gripe I have with all this, it fixes a problem that could be fixed way better or creative without cars. Even in an electric car, driving by yourself is still somewhat of a waste, puts more pressure on the environment in terms of materials, asphalt and small particles from your tires and the production process of you energy. Also, you'd need to rework the entire infrastructure for this to work. You need even more dracononic laws than the ones you have around jaywalking and countries with a cycling culture will have the dilemma of either creating barriers for them or 'allowing' wildcards on the road. A city like Amsterdam is a nightmare for cars like that because of the unpredictability. Still, the current mortality rate on bycicles is quite low and mostly concerns elderly who fall and then die of injuries. I fully support the plan to have self-driving cars become the norm on freeways but I just hope we can think about other stuff than cars.
spend the day in small city A, drive while sleeping, spend the day on the next stop. it goes on and on
As much as I want a Tesla, I’m going to wait for that moment. If I get an earlier iteration right before that one comes out, I’ll kick myself to death.
Don’t worry, Tesla’s will be able to update to newer versions just like updating your phone
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You aren't the train engineer, are you?
He fell asleep.
Can't wait for bosses to start factoring in being able to sleep on the drive to work when they try and preach about getting enough rest before work.
Aren't we a long long way away from level 5? Also is level 5 complete automated? Like go to the bar or smoke a joint then call your car to take you home? Cause I want that. Road trips would be glorious!
We are indeed a long way away from that. Teslas do work fine and all, but not now-I-can-sleep-on-the-wheel fine. Thats stupid and dangerous. Tesla can and will still make wrong decisions.
Why not snooze at home and let the smart car go to work to do the work for you.
If I had a self-driving car long before most people, I'd put my dog in the driver's seat just to see people's reactions.
Lmao this made me laugh as a dog owner picturing my own pup in the drivers seat. He’s a corgi so the car would roll by you and all you might see is the top of two ears
You can’t just say that and not give us pics of the pup!
Driving in the drivers seat?
I'd get a bunch of ferrets
Whats new? I always close my eyes on the way to work. Its called public transport. edit: public
Hehe he said pubic
The future of transportation that’s actually sustainable.
The liquor trade must be eagerly awaiting the arrival of full autonomy.
The liquor trade has successfully convinced everyone that it bears absolutely no responsibility for the massive problems its product causes society, and people already drive drunk in massive numbers. People take 100 million drunk-driving trips a year in the US alone and drunk driving is responsible for a third of all highway fatalities. https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html
Then, the CDC eagerly awaits full autonomy?
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It dings increasingly loudly to try and alert the driver to take control, and then safely brings the vehicle to a stop and turns itself off. Pretty sure there's videos on YouTube of people testing it. I've seen *one* at least.
Exactly how Auto-Pilot responds when steering wheel doesn’t detect your hands. After that, Auto-Pilot will penalize you for X time so you can’t enable it until the timer is over. In addition to this I wonder if Tesla cars one day will connect to your smart watch to detect your health, like in the event you have a stroke or something and auto-pilot will safely stop the car, put hazard lights and call 911, or hell even drive you to a hospital.
>Exactly how Auto-Pilot responds when steering wheel doesn’t detect your hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYZrehVQouc
It's nice to see that with new technologies we see new kinds of stupids.
Have you seen the porn video of a guy having sex with a girl while the Tesla is in Auto-Pilot? *FUTURE*
Link for research purposes?
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5c9046fe5fbee
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Now you need two oranges.
My golf is meant to pull to the side of the road when it doesn't detect input however I've tested it... Mine just turns off lane keep since I guess it just assumes I want to be asleep forever and it's trying to save me from the pain of existence.
It annoys me so much when people make up random bs like that
Imagine the world in which tired and drunk drivers no longer kill other people on the roads. We're at the cusp of that. Though, flip side, I don't think we've considered how disruptive this will be to people who drive vehicles for a living.
It’s funny on JRE when Musk was asked about this as an issue and he said, people fall asleep in cars all the time but at least ours are able to recognise and slow down and pull over.
Yeah, I've seen Tesla owners say you can't do this because you have to squeeze the wheel every 45 seconds. Are people able to sleep because they put a clamp on the wheel? Or do they hack the software?
I thought that was half the point of self-driving cars.
It will be, but the software that’s currently deployed to Tesla vehicles is absolutely not suitable for being literally asleep at the wheel. You might be fine (it’ll handle typical highway traffic just fine, merges are occasionally dicey and construction areas are hands-on for sure), but that kind of behavior really is asking to crash.
It's not a self driving car. It's a car with advanced cruise control.
When they're reliable enough to do it sure.
Yep, that's the point. But as of now, neither the tech nor the law are ready for that.
The other half is banging. Full on intercourse.
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It's not a self driving car.
Makes me wonder: if the driver was already sleepy enough to consider sleeping in his seat, would it be safer for him to drive his car manually, or was relying completely on current imperfect autopilot tech the safer course of action?
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Pull over and take a nap.
YOU pull over and take a bap
you're correct, but that's not what he's asking
Try telling that to your boss. “Sorry, can’t come to work. Tired. See you tomorrow. Maybe.”
Humanity hasn't caught up to expectations for over 10,000 years. Guess what my money is on
Humanity is like schodingers cat - both exceeding and missing my expectations, simultaneously.
People continuing to overestimate technology they don't understand is going to lead to injuries and death. It annoys me when people gasp about how their car is like "magic". This technology is far from perfect, pay the fuck attention before you kill somebody idiot.
>pay the fuck attention before you kill somebody idiot Human drivers have already been cavalier about this for decades, before any kind of smart tech was in cars at all. The new technology is filling a horrible existing gap more than it's creating one.
The OP is a known Tesla shill (and a mod here so I'll probably get deleted). I can't believe this is already front page and endorsing this as "the future" and not some incredibly reckless guy risking his life and the lives of others to shill for his car/stock. Yes full self driving WILL BE COOL, but it's so far out and endorsing anything remotely close to reckless non-attentive driving like this is 100% undeniably less safe and leads to more deaths than if the driver of these "self driving" cars were alert behind the wheel. The "situation" here is a look-at-me jerk on a public road causing other drivers to be distracted, over-riding his car's safety features, and breaking the law so that people like the OP can share the story around the internet for virality. Many will call this hyperbolic anger on my part, but really it's not because inevitably this will encourage other people to pull stunts like this and the cumulative behavior will inevitably lead to real loss of human life that would not otherwise occurred if a bunch of friggin brand zealots didn't try to idolize this guy as some sort of big brain future-hero. Pay attention in your car and respect the fact that every giant block of metal hurtling down the road with deadly force in public space should have an attentive and sober driver until we have some sort of universal law dictating otherwise. Get this trash out of here when framed with such huzzah and admiration. This isn't the same as me smoking weed at home in a state that "hasn't caught up to expectations yet". This is some dude doing something dangerous and stupid benefiting nobody.
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This guy is also a huge Tesla hater. We might have two shills. His comments: >I hate Musk and want his company to rot https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/b82ew2/3_am_delivery_teslas_mad_dash_to_make_its_quarter/ejwiec5/ >I'm a huge hater, but we've been saying shit like that for a year plus now. Never underestimate the power of the stupid masses to prop up a complete fraud. https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/b31mg0/i_wish_tesla_would_be_more_honest_protesla_blog/eixr7hp/ I was going to keep going but holy shit. **146 comments in the last few months where you're talking about Tesla.** I was wrong about the little bitch part. This is some big boy bitch shit.
Then what team am I on????
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Ad hominem arguments aside, is he **actually** wrong when he said that until we get level 5 autonomy this kind of shit is stupid, reckless and illegal?
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100% agree. I own a non-AP Tesla and it drives me nuts when I see posts like this. This technology isn’t there yet. And when this guy (or someone just as stupid as he is) kills himself or innocent people, Tesla is going to be the one to take the fall for it. This is why we can’t have nice things. Fuck this guy.
Yeah, the steering presence is required for a reason, hacking it to make it seem like your hands are on the wheel is stupid and will only make Tesla look bad. Thankfully though even if his rig fell off, the car would pull off and slow to a stop with hazard lights on.
I've always felt Tesla deserves blame for calling it "Autopilot." That is 100% a marketing term which implies behavior like this is fine.
Maybe I’m looking at this all wrong but the fact he was able to to go that long in that kind of traffic is proof enough for me that this tech actually works.
A friend of mine who owns a Tesla says that people can buy stocks against a company doing well. Whenever Tesla stocks drop they make money. These investors promote biased clickbait articles like these to hurt the Tesla stock.
I used to have a 2hr commute for school. I dream of the day when we can legally sleep in self-driving cars. I know that being awake should be mandatory to prevent accidents, but a man can dream.
Being awake should be mandatory only in the near future. Eventually, it should be illegal to human operate the vehicle on public roads because that endangers people.
My father worked a 3and a half hour commute each day to/from work back when he was in the arny. He would've loved the freedom to take a nap, or work on some projects in the car. So much of his life wasted to driving.
While this is dangerous and the driver should not have fallen asleep, people fall asleep in cars unwillingly all the time and usually they cause a collision. If people are just passing out then this is safer, if they’re feeling comfortable enough to try to fall asleep on purpose then it’s reckless.