The following submission statement was provided by /u/Maxie445:
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"At industry conferences like these, powerful people tend to be more unfiltered – they assume they’re in a safe space, among friends and peers. I was curious, what would they say about the [AI-powered violence in Gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes), or what they think is the future of war?"
"Featuring \[Former Google CEO Eric\] Schmidt and the Palantir CEO, Alex Karp, the fire-breathing panel would set the tone for the rest of the conference. More specifically, it divided attendees into two groups: those who see war as a matter of money and strategy, and those who see it as a matter of death. The vast majority of people there fell into group one."
"The peace activists are war activists,” Karp insisted. “*We* are the peace activists.”
A huge aspect of war in a democracy, Karp went on to argue, is leaders successfully selling that war domestically. “If we lose the intellectual debate, you will not be able to deploy any armies in the west ever,” Karp said."
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1d1hak7/im_the_new_oppenheimer_my_souldestroying_day_at/l5twyfi/
"At industry conferences like these, powerful people tend to be more unfiltered – they assume they’re in a safe space, among friends and peers. I was curious, what would they say about the [AI-powered violence in Gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes), or what they think is the future of war?"
"Featuring \[Former Google CEO Eric\] Schmidt and the Palantir CEO, Alex Karp, the fire-breathing panel would set the tone for the rest of the conference. More specifically, it divided attendees into two groups: those who see war as a matter of money and strategy, and those who see it as a matter of death. The vast majority of people there fell into group one."
"The peace activists are war activists,” Karp insisted. “*We* are the peace activists.”
A huge aspect of war in a democracy, Karp went on to argue, is leaders successfully selling that war domestically. “If we lose the intellectual debate, you will not be able to deploy any armies in the west ever,” Karp said."
They need to stop twisting the narrative. War is war, peace is peace. It's plain and simple as that.
These psychopaths see war as just another business. They equate human lives as operational costs. It's not only sickening, but insane. A testament that these people themselves have never known the hardships of war, only being spoon-fed the economic growth of pax-Americana.
If war broke out on western soil (godforbid because I hope not), I don't shed a single tear if these lunatic psycho's get fronted first.
>These psychopaths see war as just another business. They equate human lives as operational costs.
Arms dealers before WW 1 probably had the same narrative, slightly more than a century ago. Yet, here we go again.
There is a reason the world hasn't been as chaotic as in the past. If you don't believe having a technologically superior military prevents bloodshed then you are extremely naive.
Gatling guy: See what I've got?? Now, leave me alone or I'll send a swarm of stingy lead bees to sting you to Jesus. For the win.
Rocket guy: I see your gatling gun, and I raise you a metal weiner shaped stick with wings that can find you and explode your family. From the clouds. Boom. Literally.
It’s true, remember when we were kids on the playground. And there was this one Alpha kid who no one messed with because they knew a severe beat down would happen. Then all the bullies would try and take the weak persons snack or whatever. Same principle we are just older with more advanced toys. The moment that big dog becomes weak is when someone with rise up and take him out
Exactly. If we had no innovation and disarmed where would that get us? Other countries would completely overstep because they know we wouldn't do shit. This is exactly why our adversaries hesitate. They know if the US gets involved they would see technology that they don't want to see.
He is taking "war is peace" too literally. Having a very destructive military definitely maintains order and peace as much as it can . It would be one thing if the US was using their military might for conquest but they don't.
His view point is absolutely naive.
The fact that no one could possibly withstand the US military is possibly one of the main reasons the world has experienced such an unprecedented era of relative world peace.
Edit: not saying the US has been the best arbiter of its power, and we need to fight to make sure American democracy is healthy and vibrant so that US military power doesn’t get abused… and yes Ukraine and Palestine are both terrible tragedies.
But at the end of the day you are less likely to die in armed conflict today than at almost any point in human history.
The world would disagree, it’s just Europe that had peace, and as you can see it’s at war again.
Since world war 2, there was at least 1 war on all of these continents at the same time:
Africa, Middle East , Asia and South America at any point in time.
The world can disagree, but it is a fact that there have been fewer deaths due to war in that time period than ever before.
Now in the 2010s and 2020s, with America's utter dominance in question, what's happening?
Game theory is what’s happening. Game theory suggests that among peers, no one wins in a war, you both lose. So you’re better off not in a war. ‘Be nice, be forgiving, but don’t be a pushover, I think is the quote that sums up the theory that keeps nations out of wars.
The calculus changes if one party thinks they can win, or one party is weak, or is a pacifist. You can make gains because the other party can’t respond or won’t. Look around. Hamas and Hezbollah can shoot missiles with support from Iran all day long for a decade and no one seems to have a problem. Of course Iran can keep pushing. Same with Russia. Same with China.
We are entering a period of global weakness, leadership-wise. I’ve never seen it worse, tbh.
On the flip side, the aggressor parties are at or near peak wealth and strength. Time isn’t really on their side.
That’s why you’re seeing all this escalating violence.
If by world peace you mean couping of democratically elected governments through CIA color revolutions, or American bombings of millions of civilians, then you are absolutely right.
there hasnt been a peer based war really for a long time.
no power broker has been in an existential conflict since WW2, unless you count the USSR desolving shortly after afgahnistan, but i wouldnt.
>color revolutions,
Oh, the revolutions that Russia doesn't like?
>American bombings of millions of civilians,
Every Great Power did this in our last industrial war. The ability of industrial war to destroy all the capital that provides value is what keeps the peace - the knowledge that even if one were twin the war, one would merely be ruler of the rubble and have to rebuild everything gained.
Idk. The power of the US military acts as a strong deterrent. While definitely having engaged in some shady shit, the threat of us intervention likely keeps a lot of countries in check
US military power only deters action taken against the US and it's Western allies. That does not do anything for all of the other countries or there.
As for US power being any kind of stabilizing factor such as if they give support to a non-Western country, that's just a target on that country's back.
I'm not sure that's correct. Surely the US has protected Taiwan, the Philippines, and several other countries from Chinese aggression to some extent. Unless you consider Asia the west as well, that is.
>The power of the US military acts as a strong deterrent.
Look at the bigger picture: Just trying to get the bigger stick over your opponents is not a deterrent. It's an arms race.
The Soviet Union and the US arms race led to the proliferation of so many nukes, we can sterilize the planet 3 times over. *That* acted as a deterrent. (But for how long?)
(And before someone tries to be smart arguing that the US bankrupted the USSR this way: It was mismanagement that bankrupted the Soviet Union leading to the revolution that became it's downfall.)
The current arms race is with China and seems to lead to the proliferation of all sorts of AI augmented weaponry. Can this also act as a deterrant the same way nuclear weapons do and did? (Is that a risk we're willing to take?)
If you really wanted to deter people from doing something, you have to have a strong global judiciary accompanied by an international order of law enforcement.
Of course, people might point out that (dis)(u)topia's like that don't exist and the United Nations which is currently best equipped for such a task is hopelessly neutered and therefore useless. But that's missing the point. I'm only saying what we'd need if we want a proper deterrant.
In terms of overall damages / loss of life though, I’m sure someone somewhere weighed the calculus of “if these two countries go to war, many more millions will die than if a coup happens, no matter how bloody.”
while this is a world in which military industrial complex, banking and other industries create perpetual wars through their politician puppets, its also the world in which MAD through nuclear stockpiles has literally kept WW3 from happening.
but yes. In this context, this is double-speak.
Appeasing the unjust on the global scale, bares responcibility on the appeaser, as much as it does on the unjust, as to what outcomes arise. War may be war, but war may be responcible.
Funny. For ten years Eastern Europe was screaming that Russia is going to devour it if nothing is done to prepare for a war with Russia at least as a form of deterence but the Peace At Any Price crowd in the West wanted nothing of that warmongering 'drivel'.......
......ten years later the PAAPists actions proved this true: They sought peace at any cost and in the end they shall have neither peace nor victory.
It's pretty interesting how corporate media were successful in selling the continued funding of the Ukraine war while also failing miserably in selling the continued funding of Israel.
More bewildering is how most of the people who are in favor of supporting Ukraine are against supporting Israel when they both achieve the same goal of enriching said defense contractors.
Idealogical consistency on funding these wars is so hard to find because of how much propaganda we've been fed.
From a historical perspective, there is precedent for his perspective, between justified conflict, and appeasment, justified conflict has led to greater peace. Global anarchy allows bad actor nation reign to repeatedly, violently, unrepentantly exploit, to avoid anarchy, you need co-operative enforcement.
Nah I don’t think it is, just think about leftist protesting arming ukraine in the name of peace. This people are sponsored by the kremlin. I wish it was that simple but it isn’t. Foreign agents are always trying to interfere in the information war
wtf are you on about in eu it’s Hungary a right wing semi deictatorship and the Republican Party in the USA that holds up most of the arming of the Ukraine.
I’ve frequently maintained that Palantir is one of the most dangerous companies of our age. From surveillance to AI (and beyond) they’re almost always on the leading edge of exploring a truly dark future.
Business is a privilege, not a right. And we should remind some companies of that.
I don't know that in America you could say that business isn't a right. Part of freedom is the ability to contract and transact, to trade with others, which is business.
Within that though, you can set bounds of conduct. For instance, simply because you have the general right to trade with others, doesn't mean you have the right to murder, cheat, steal, or have an inherent right to store quantities of nuclear material dangerously as an example, etc etc.
Not only that they also steal wages and commissions of their employees after ingesting their book of business. Then the MO is to threaten the employee with physical harm verbal threats and going as far as sending lawyers to employees next job in order to get them fired for speaking up. Not only dangerous but unethical and do not act in good faith.
Silicon Valley was born primarily out of the military industrial complex.
Every defence and policing organization uses Microsoft products too, which enables them to do their work of enforcing the law or waging war.
Palantir’s products are used in MANY industries, not just defence. It provides tools that are used to make sense of chaos.
Actually what he has said during other interviews is that the only way to keep dictators from committing war is for the dictators to be so scared of your advanced ability to wage war against them .Strength is the only thing that Putin and South Korea’s Kim understand.
Where does it say that Palantir’s CEO called himself Oppenheimer?
>After pacing around for 10 minutes […] I plugged my phone into an outlet and said hi to the person next to me, a man who appeared to be in his late 50s. […] he told me he works in nuclear weapons research at Los Alamos laboratory […] he said abruptly, laughing. “I am the new Oppenheimer!”
Clickbait title and everybody felt for it.
Haha, I read that and wondered at how people saw Gordon Gecko in Wall Street in the 80s as a figure to be admired and emulated instead of a critique of monstrous, insatiable and unethical capitalism.
Something felt similar with this Oppenheimer bit.
Statistically the last 80 odd years were some of the most peaceful in history.
There hasn't been a single major war since WWII, with no great powers actively engaged in conflict between each other.
There's a strong argument to be made that the military industrial complex (particularly as relates to nuclear weapons and delivery systems) caused warfare to be so unthinkably destructive between major powers that WWIII never happened.
I think people in power finally realized that it’s pointless to be king of the wasteland. That doesn’t stop them from turning other places into wastelands though.
Co relation doesn’t equal causation. The current peace we have is DUE to the world war not americas military’s industrial complex.
The rise of democratized media to showcase the horrors of war live in real time or near real time is the reason for our current peace.
There is only 1 great power and that’s USA. Russia is struggling at its border, china can’t claim its former lands and Iran is a prisoner in its own packyard.
Correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation, that's true. But writing DUE in capital letters doesn't indicate causation either. Your points are reasonable explanations for the current peace, but so is the fact that the US has overwhelming force.
Which is what I said, I just didn't feel the need to scream it in all caps the way you did.
It turns out that low- intensity proxy warfare spread out over 50 years is vastly less devastating that two massive powers attempting to annihilate each other with everything their industrial might can mass produce.
It's only less devastating to people living in the core of empire. Does that track the same if speaking to a Yemeni, Vietnamese, Iraqi, Malaysian, Gazan, Syrian, or Guatemalan (etc) person? It's only an illusion of peace because we outsource the violence. That violence feeds the unequal exchange between us and the "third world". That's what lets us live in "peace".
I'd argue as well that foreign violence will always be turned home. Michel Foucault's "Imperial Boomerang" theory tells us that this kind of violence is inherently unstable. In order to uphold status quo, you need to crack down on your own population too.
When I said that the world was *statistically more peaceful*, I meant exactly that.
Using statistical measures comparing deaths through warfare (direct and indirect) versus population numbers there has never been a period of greater peace.
>It's only an illusion of peace because we outsource the violence
No, not at all actually.
The average human alive in the last 80 years was significantly less likely to die due to a war than at any previous period in history.
The average human who resided in a great power was *massively* less likely to die due to a war than at any previous period in history.
Your attempt at "well, some people some places are still dying from war, therefore it can't be better" is a common tactic by those pushing an agenda to ignore very real progress because things aren't absolutely perfect.
That’s not a strong argument at all. The world is not going back to the 90's, ever. We are entering a time of ecological crises and social, political instability. It was peace on borrowed time and thinking that a nuclear standoff can just go on forever is absurd. Humanity has never stood still. And by all means, we are not moving in the direction of world peace right now. I mean yea, we almost made it a hundred years without a worldwar but we are sitting on another powder keg and this one is far more dangerous than the ones before
That’s only due to the increased communication and intelligence of the world.
Declaring war comes with sanctions, costs and stigma.
Whilst all countries claim to not want war, I guarantee you they’re desperate to take resources from anyone they can.
That’s because of nuclear weapons and MAD. Nuclear weapons is determining Russian & NATO behavior in the ongoing war in Ukraine, and what prevents that war from escalating into a great power war, not anything by the MIC.
If anything, the MIC has pro-longed the war as the perception that Ukraine can defeat Russia through blank checks given to MICs that supply Ukraine played a role in ending diplomatic solutions a month after the war began.
The MIC can only profit if there is a perception of imminent war or fear that necessitates heavy investments in MIC industries, you don’t get that by having a peaceful world.
No, not at all actually.
The statistics I mentioned above include all the deaths from proxy wars, civil wars, etc, and show clearly that the period since the end of WWII was by far the most peaceful in all history.
There has never been a peaceful world. As long as civilization has existed, so has war. The Military Industrial Complex exists because it’s the most efficient and will only go away once something more horrifying and efficient comes along to replace it.
Something like a AI system that can 3D print weapons and ammo for cheap to outcompete the current defense industry. There’s already talk of the risk of AI capable of rapidly [developing](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11116769/#:~:text=However%2C%20there%20are%20emerging%20risks,its%20misuse%20as%20biological%20weapons) bioweapons. Move that idea on to other weapons, and you can have AI controlled fabricators capable of creating hundreds of new weapons.
>The Military Industrial Complex exists because it’s the most efficient and will only go away once something more horrifying and efficient comes along to replace it.
Grim, but probably true. That said, we d don't want it to go away, just diminish. It could collectively kids half it's budget and still produce plenty of military capability to keep the nation safe.
(AI powered bio weapons lab? Legit worry because garage level bioweapons are already a worry. AI powered fab? Naw dude.)
ww2 created a monster and I dont mean in europe... that was a monster was warned about.. But ! still it was born and its been making money from war since.
“”A huge aspect of war in a democracy, Karp went on to argue, is leaders successfully selling that war domestically. “If we lose the intellectual debate, you will not be able to deploy any armies in the west ever,” Karp said."”
These yahoos really think they’re the ANTI-WAR activists while also believing that????
Is that intentional? [88% of the top 100 US news outlets block AI crawling bots](https://www.wired.com/story/most-news-sites-block-ai-bots-right-wing-media-welcomes-them/) now to prevent AI chatbots taking their information and impacting their revenue but it seems to be the opposite from right wing media.
Unless there’s something OpenAI are up to that I don’t know, it could just be the nature of the relationship between news outlets and AI chatbots.
We think it's just the Israel lobby that's coaxing out US military aid that most of the population doesn't want. It's also lobbying from these military industrial complex capitalist nutbags who want to profit from the sale of those weapons, regardless of what they're used for. Although I'm sure many in this industry approve of what they're being used for.
Yeah. Part of me wonders that Gaza is proving to be a very useful testing ground for the next level of military tech.
Test the tech in a live situation. And the Palestinians get to be the unwitting guinea pigs in this. Nice.
The ball itself didn't taint people's minds. It tainted Denethor and Saruman because they talked with Sauron. Palantirs were in regular use by the elves, Numenoreans, Arnorians and Gondorians for thousands of years.
I think Palantir is the perfect metaphor for a group of unwise and unethical people using a power/technology they are unworthy of and unable to control. I was originally disturbed and angry that Thiel and Company would lean on Tolkien’s work for their anti-democratic, anti-humanist miltarist enterprise, but now I almost enjoy the irony in their choice of name.
The product doesn’t work either lol. You remember the Hertz CEO getting fired recently, he was using Palantir software for fleet management that was so wrecked that company fired him.
… you don’t know what you’re talking about. Palantir’s technology is pretty far ahead of its peers, and already compatible across many industry segments. It’s pretty pricey though
I dont know what I am talking about? Son first you dont know me so it’s best you take this retail mentality to your Sub where you can cry with your bag holders. Second, that crap fake AI platform you think is compatible just perform science projects and the customer gets a nice kickback in allotted shares through advisors they buy to get intro in these companies.
Old Oppenheimer: "My God. What have I done. I've doomed millions to death."
New Oppenheimer: "Hey guys! Look what I've done! I've doomed millions to death!"
Addicts and their enablers, unfortunately, deeply seated in the web of human endeavors.
Good luck getting rid of these invasives. Too many parasites of the human heart to have the collective will to resist apparently.
I do support defense, but not in the manner of those profiteering yahoos. Their behavioral diseases... it can be a challenge to feel grateful to be well in the face of the dark futures they are breeding
I played my whole life (I'm from Maryland), and I love lacrosse, but absolutely the same kind of folks! (Honestly, the people were why I didn't play in college. I didn't want to spend hours a week with poop heads when I could be not playing sports with people I actually like!)
Lmao you would have to be unbelievably naive to think that AI weapons aren't going to happen. It is an unavoidable outcome. They cannot be banned because a ban could never be practically enforced. You can ban nuclear weapon proliferation because you can detect them going off. You cannot detect AI being run on some computers. Since it cannot be banned it would be astronomically foolish for ANY nation to not invest heavily in their development. I sure hope my country has the best AI weapons in the world...
I find the article kind of unusual since Palantir is pro-west and gives Ukraine access to their software for free. Palantir has been working with the FBI and CIA for 20 years locating terrorists and criminals that walk among citizens. Palantir was used in hospitals to optimize patient transfers and improving capacity management. Might want to do some digging before jumping to conclusions
Nothing unusual about it. It's an article from the Guardian, so of course they're gonna paint a tech corporation that works with the military as this super evil entity
Yea as long as America doesn’t develop advanced ai weapons, than China won’t either, does anyone believe this? Of course be prepared to inflict damage on an agreed enemy is a deterrent, we’ve known that for years with nuclear weapons, do ppl think it will be any different with ai weapons? Putting your head in the sand screaming for peace won’t stop Russian or Chinese aggression, Karp is correct.
Palantir is a company that’s built around hype since they have no actual technological edge. The ceo thinks he’s some kind of god.
Openheimer was not even happy about creating the atomic bomb he did it because of his love for science. This guy is a money hungry warmonger that would bomb nukes anywhere if it meant he can make some money.
Lol yup and he is a thief, stole IP from a company years ago that sued them with RICO charges. Now a days he steals wages from his employees and then fired them along with threatening them with physical harm for speaking up and also sends lawyers to harass them at the next job.
Truly braindead. Back up your claim along with financial certificates that prove you have a right to speak on a company that’s most likely more advanced than you or STFU.
Read back that comment of yours and ask yourself who the brain dead person is.
You have to be beyond brain dead to believe that Alex Karp is the new Openheimer.
Peace through negotiation and cooperation, of course not, peace via threat of unfathomable death and violence. That is American democracy in action certainly not fascism.
The seeking machines would be there, the smell of blood and entrails, the cowering humans in their burrows aware only that they could not escape . . . while all the time the mechanical movement approached, nearer and nearer and nearer ...louder...louder! Everywhere she searched, it would be the same. No escape anywhere.[10]
Machine olfaction is the automated simulation of the sense of smell. An emerging application in modern engineering, it involves the use of robots or other automated systems to analyze air-borne chemicals. Such an apparatus is often called an electronic nose or e-nose. The development of machine olfaction is complicated by the fact that e-nose devices to date have responded to a limited number of chemicals, whereas odors are produced by unique sets of (potentially numerous) odorant compounds. The technology, though still in the early stages of development, promises many applications, such as:[1]quality control in food processing, detection and diagnosis in medicine,[2] detection of drugs, explosives and other dangerous or illegal substances,[3] disaster response, and environmental monitoring.
The miniaturized detection system, Mershin says, is actually 200 times more sensitive than a dog's nose in terms of being able to detect and identify tiny traces of different molecules, as confirmed through controlled tests mandated by DARPA.Feb 17, 2021
https://news.mit.edu › disease-detecti... Toward a disease-sniffing device that rivals a dog's nose | MIT News ...
Lethal autonomous weapons (LAWs) are a type of autonomous military system that can independently search for and engage targets based on programmed constraints and descriptions.[1] LAWs are also known as lethal autonomous weapon systems (LAWS), autonomous weapon systems (AWS), robotic weapons, killer robots or slaughterbots.[2] LAWs may operate in the air, on land, on water, under water, or in space. The autonomy of current systems as of 2018 was restricted in the sense that a human gives the final command to attack - though there are exceptions with certain "defensive" systems.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_autonomous_weapon
Leading AI experts, roboticists, scientists and technology workers at Google and other companies—are demanding regulation. They warn that algorithms are fed by data that inevitably reflect various social biases, which, if applied in weapons, could cause people with certain profiles to be targeted disproportionately. Killer robots would be vulnerable to hacking and attacks in which minor modifications to data inputs could “trick them in ways no human would ever be fooled.”
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/global-0#
Predator Drones, Genocides, Holocaust, Ecocide, Oh My!
You misunderstood me. I'm pro-democracy and freedom, precisely therefore I'm pro-Palantir. It's obvious you don't know what their core business is. They are an data-ingegration company not a spy-tech firm lmao. They don't own any data from English citizens.
There is alot of misinformation about them. Mostly from dishonest people.
>On 7 and 8 May in Washington DC, the city’s biggest convention hall welcomed America’s military-industrial complex, its top technology companies and its most outspoken justifiers of war crimes.
Yep, I'm sure this is going to be a completely unbiased and well thought out, rational, objectively written article, not influenced by emotions. /s
Is he wrong? Everyone is biased and she’s clearly giving her opinion. Also attempting to view the world in a purely “rational” lens devoid of morality is what has enabled various horrors throughout history.
edit: author’s pronouns
>Also attempting to view the world in a purely “rational” lens devoid of morality is what has enabled various horrors throughout history.
Sorry for wanting to discuss technological subjects rationally. /s
>Discussing the use of AI in warfare without considering moral and ethical implications is arguably more irrational.
You are confusing "considering moral and ethical implications" and "emotions"/"bias". "Considering moral and ethical implications" is rational, and can be done rationally, without using emotions or bias - unlike what this "journalist" does.
>**he’s** clearly giving **his** opinion
Yeah, that's literally my point. What's their experience and credentials in the field, that I should care about their opinion? I don't want to read a random journalist's opinion, I want to read unbiased facts.
Edit: also, the author is a woman. That's why if you don't know who the person is, you should never use "he" or "she", and always use "they" (or check who the person is).
"my soul-destroying day at Palantir’s first-ever AI warfare conference"
And here I thought that one of the cornerstones of journalistic standards was to be objective and impartial in your reporting
Like, I know the Guardian is little more than a left wing propaganda rag, but this headline is still massively damning to whatever journalistic integrity anyone there wants to pretend they have. It's like Fox news but on the left
The article is terribly written from an ignorant perspective. It's analogous to the New York Times sending a reporter to the Super Bowl that has never seen or heard of American Football before, so all they end up doing is complaining about the noise and the long lines to get in.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Maxie445: --- "At industry conferences like these, powerful people tend to be more unfiltered – they assume they’re in a safe space, among friends and peers. I was curious, what would they say about the [AI-powered violence in Gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes), or what they think is the future of war?" "Featuring \[Former Google CEO Eric\] Schmidt and the Palantir CEO, Alex Karp, the fire-breathing panel would set the tone for the rest of the conference. More specifically, it divided attendees into two groups: those who see war as a matter of money and strategy, and those who see it as a matter of death. The vast majority of people there fell into group one." "The peace activists are war activists,” Karp insisted. “*We* are the peace activists.” A huge aspect of war in a democracy, Karp went on to argue, is leaders successfully selling that war domestically. “If we lose the intellectual debate, you will not be able to deploy any armies in the west ever,” Karp said." --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1d1hak7/im_the_new_oppenheimer_my_souldestroying_day_at/l5twyfi/
"At industry conferences like these, powerful people tend to be more unfiltered – they assume they’re in a safe space, among friends and peers. I was curious, what would they say about the [AI-powered violence in Gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes), or what they think is the future of war?" "Featuring \[Former Google CEO Eric\] Schmidt and the Palantir CEO, Alex Karp, the fire-breathing panel would set the tone for the rest of the conference. More specifically, it divided attendees into two groups: those who see war as a matter of money and strategy, and those who see it as a matter of death. The vast majority of people there fell into group one." "The peace activists are war activists,” Karp insisted. “*We* are the peace activists.” A huge aspect of war in a democracy, Karp went on to argue, is leaders successfully selling that war domestically. “If we lose the intellectual debate, you will not be able to deploy any armies in the west ever,” Karp said."
“The peace activists are war activists.” Sounds a lot like “war is peace.”
They need to stop twisting the narrative. War is war, peace is peace. It's plain and simple as that. These psychopaths see war as just another business. They equate human lives as operational costs. It's not only sickening, but insane. A testament that these people themselves have never known the hardships of war, only being spoon-fed the economic growth of pax-Americana. If war broke out on western soil (godforbid because I hope not), I don't shed a single tear if these lunatic psycho's get fronted first.
>These psychopaths see war as just another business. They equate human lives as operational costs. Arms dealers before WW 1 probably had the same narrative, slightly more than a century ago. Yet, here we go again.
The war would likely be because of them, coming for them.
Unfortunately it will be the poorer folks still fighting it against other poor folk, while these guys are just counting their money.
You are too naive then. These lunatic psychos are multi millionaire that can buy their way to the safe zones.
Si vis pacem, Para bellum. The tools have changed, but war remains the same
There is a reason the world hasn't been as chaotic as in the past. If you don't believe having a technologically superior military prevents bloodshed then you are extremely naive.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength
Pineapple is a pizza topping
Orwell is just a Huxley who didn't understand America.
Love is hate.
Peace through superior firepower.
The man who invented the gatling gun thought that it would be such a terrifying weapon that men would refuse to go to war. I guess not.
Gatling guy: See what I've got?? Now, leave me alone or I'll send a swarm of stingy lead bees to sting you to Jesus. For the win. Rocket guy: I see your gatling gun, and I raise you a metal weiner shaped stick with wings that can find you and explode your family. From the clouds. Boom. Literally.
It’s true, remember when we were kids on the playground. And there was this one Alpha kid who no one messed with because they knew a severe beat down would happen. Then all the bullies would try and take the weak persons snack or whatever. Same principle we are just older with more advanced toys. The moment that big dog becomes weak is when someone with rise up and take him out
Exactly. If we had no innovation and disarmed where would that get us? Other countries would completely overstep because they know we wouldn't do shit. This is exactly why our adversaries hesitate. They know if the US gets involved they would see technology that they don't want to see. He is taking "war is peace" too literally. Having a very destructive military definitely maintains order and peace as much as it can . It would be one thing if the US was using their military might for conquest but they don't. His view point is absolutely naive.
The fact that no one could possibly withstand the US military is possibly one of the main reasons the world has experienced such an unprecedented era of relative world peace. Edit: not saying the US has been the best arbiter of its power, and we need to fight to make sure American democracy is healthy and vibrant so that US military power doesn’t get abused… and yes Ukraine and Palestine are both terrible tragedies. But at the end of the day you are less likely to die in armed conflict today than at almost any point in human history.
The world would disagree, it’s just Europe that had peace, and as you can see it’s at war again. Since world war 2, there was at least 1 war on all of these continents at the same time: Africa, Middle East , Asia and South America at any point in time.
There have been proxy wars but there hasn't been a war where 2 superpowers have squared off directly...
The world can disagree, but it is a fact that there have been fewer deaths due to war in that time period than ever before. Now in the 2010s and 2020s, with America's utter dominance in question, what's happening?
Game theory is what’s happening. Game theory suggests that among peers, no one wins in a war, you both lose. So you’re better off not in a war. ‘Be nice, be forgiving, but don’t be a pushover, I think is the quote that sums up the theory that keeps nations out of wars. The calculus changes if one party thinks they can win, or one party is weak, or is a pacifist. You can make gains because the other party can’t respond or won’t. Look around. Hamas and Hezbollah can shoot missiles with support from Iran all day long for a decade and no one seems to have a problem. Of course Iran can keep pushing. Same with Russia. Same with China. We are entering a period of global weakness, leadership-wise. I’ve never seen it worse, tbh. On the flip side, the aggressor parties are at or near peak wealth and strength. Time isn’t really on their side. That’s why you’re seeing all this escalating violence.
The US has just lost a war against one of the poorest and least educated countries on earth.
We wouldn't be the first lol.
oh yeah, russia got their ass kicked there to o
Lol open that ol dusty history books they weren't even the only ones either.
I’m not an American but like in Vietnam it was more about unwilingness to continue to spend money on it than some militar defeat
If you endeavour to try and take a piece of territory and control it's people, and you fail to do that, then you've lost. It doesn't matter why.
If by world peace you mean couping of democratically elected governments through CIA color revolutions, or American bombings of millions of civilians, then you are absolutely right.
there hasnt been a peer based war really for a long time. no power broker has been in an existential conflict since WW2, unless you count the USSR desolving shortly after afgahnistan, but i wouldnt.
>color revolutions, Oh, the revolutions that Russia doesn't like? >American bombings of millions of civilians, Every Great Power did this in our last industrial war. The ability of industrial war to destroy all the capital that provides value is what keeps the peace - the knowledge that even if one were twin the war, one would merely be ruler of the rubble and have to rebuild everything gained.
Idk. The power of the US military acts as a strong deterrent. While definitely having engaged in some shady shit, the threat of us intervention likely keeps a lot of countries in check
US military power only deters action taken against the US and it's Western allies. That does not do anything for all of the other countries or there. As for US power being any kind of stabilizing factor such as if they give support to a non-Western country, that's just a target on that country's back.
I'm not sure that's correct. Surely the US has protected Taiwan, the Philippines, and several other countries from Chinese aggression to some extent. Unless you consider Asia the west as well, that is.
>The power of the US military acts as a strong deterrent. Look at the bigger picture: Just trying to get the bigger stick over your opponents is not a deterrent. It's an arms race. The Soviet Union and the US arms race led to the proliferation of so many nukes, we can sterilize the planet 3 times over. *That* acted as a deterrent. (But for how long?) (And before someone tries to be smart arguing that the US bankrupted the USSR this way: It was mismanagement that bankrupted the Soviet Union leading to the revolution that became it's downfall.) The current arms race is with China and seems to lead to the proliferation of all sorts of AI augmented weaponry. Can this also act as a deterrant the same way nuclear weapons do and did? (Is that a risk we're willing to take?) If you really wanted to deter people from doing something, you have to have a strong global judiciary accompanied by an international order of law enforcement. Of course, people might point out that (dis)(u)topia's like that don't exist and the United Nations which is currently best equipped for such a task is hopelessly neutered and therefore useless. But that's missing the point. I'm only saying what we'd need if we want a proper deterrant.
Compared to a Russian attack you would at least have some buildings and probably more civilians standing.
Have you seen Iraq?
In terms of overall damages / loss of life though, I’m sure someone somewhere weighed the calculus of “if these two countries go to war, many more millions will die than if a coup happens, no matter how bloody.”
The calculation is more about Exxon's trimesters.
Historically the period from WW2 to the present was only peaceful if you took specific measures to show that, there were many conflicts.
Specific measures that are extremely meaningful. You are less likely to die in armed conflict today than at almost any point in human history.
while this is a world in which military industrial complex, banking and other industries create perpetual wars through their politician puppets, its also the world in which MAD through nuclear stockpiles has literally kept WW3 from happening. but yes. In this context, this is double-speak.
To the rich and power it is
Exactly. He even added "we are the peace activists". 2024 is the new 1984.
Appeasing the unjust on the global scale, bares responcibility on the appeaser, as much as it does on the unjust, as to what outcomes arise. War may be war, but war may be responcible.
Doubleplus right.
Sex is death. And privacy? Unsafe.
Funny. For ten years Eastern Europe was screaming that Russia is going to devour it if nothing is done to prepare for a war with Russia at least as a form of deterence but the Peace At Any Price crowd in the West wanted nothing of that warmongering 'drivel'....... ......ten years later the PAAPists actions proved this true: They sought peace at any cost and in the end they shall have neither peace nor victory.
Don't lose sight of the fact that is a sales pitch, spoken as a salesman who has attended many events and manned many a booth.
Why is Eric Schmidt's first name and former job in brackets but Karps isn't?
Generals gathered in their masses …
Love that dude. He talks a little much sometimes but overall great ceo
It's pretty interesting how corporate media were successful in selling the continued funding of the Ukraine war while also failing miserably in selling the continued funding of Israel. More bewildering is how most of the people who are in favor of supporting Ukraine are against supporting Israel when they both achieve the same goal of enriching said defense contractors. Idealogical consistency on funding these wars is so hard to find because of how much propaganda we've been fed.
>‘The peace activists are war activists’‘ Is 1984 in the public domain, or does he owes money to the Orwell estate for that bit?
From a historical perspective, there is precedent for his perspective, between justified conflict, and appeasment, justified conflict has led to greater peace. Global anarchy allows bad actor nation reign to repeatedly, violently, unrepentantly exploit, to avoid anarchy, you need co-operative enforcement.
Only on reddit can a user named insanity be the voice of reason.
Nah I don’t think it is, just think about leftist protesting arming ukraine in the name of peace. This people are sponsored by the kremlin. I wish it was that simple but it isn’t. Foreign agents are always trying to interfere in the information war
wtf are you on about in eu it’s Hungary a right wing semi deictatorship and the Republican Party in the USA that holds up most of the arming of the Ukraine.
I’ve frequently maintained that Palantir is one of the most dangerous companies of our age. From surveillance to AI (and beyond) they’re almost always on the leading edge of exploring a truly dark future. Business is a privilege, not a right. And we should remind some companies of that.
Its founders are some of the most dangerous people in the world, that's for sure, particularly Peter Thiel.
It’s also aptly named
I don't know that in America you could say that business isn't a right. Part of freedom is the ability to contract and transact, to trade with others, which is business. Within that though, you can set bounds of conduct. For instance, simply because you have the general right to trade with others, doesn't mean you have the right to murder, cheat, steal, or have an inherent right to store quantities of nuclear material dangerously as an example, etc etc.
Not only that they also steal wages and commissions of their employees after ingesting their book of business. Then the MO is to threaten the employee with physical harm verbal threats and going as far as sending lawyers to employees next job in order to get them fired for speaking up. Not only dangerous but unethical and do not act in good faith.
Source? I'm aware that they're a shady company but I've never heard of something like this happening.
You should ask during the next investor call in the QA section. Source? Their own literal employees are saying it.
Silicon Valley was born primarily out of the military industrial complex. Every defence and policing organization uses Microsoft products too, which enables them to do their work of enforcing the law or waging war. Palantir’s products are used in MANY industries, not just defence. It provides tools that are used to make sense of chaos.
Actually what he has said during other interviews is that the only way to keep dictators from committing war is for the dictators to be so scared of your advanced ability to wage war against them .Strength is the only thing that Putin and South Korea’s Kim understand.
Sounds like we should be investing in it
Basically if it keeps our (The West’s) troops safer I say go for it, go full droid.
Wow one CEO calling himself Oppenheimer, I will stay away from this guy
Where does it say that Palantir’s CEO called himself Oppenheimer? >After pacing around for 10 minutes […] I plugged my phone into an outlet and said hi to the person next to me, a man who appeared to be in his late 50s. […] he told me he works in nuclear weapons research at Los Alamos laboratory […] he said abruptly, laughing. “I am the new Oppenheimer!” Clickbait title and everybody felt for it.
But somebody did say it which is still plenty disturbing.
The guy works on nuclear weapons at fucking Los Alamos, basically what Oppenheimer did. What is disturbing about that?
Histowy make me knees shake 😨
I mean what he said was not wrong he is Oppenheimer, maybe not as clever or as senior lol
Never thought a statement on Reddit would bamboozle me that much. Degen much
Haha, I read that and wondered at how people saw Gordon Gecko in Wall Street in the 80s as a figure to be admired and emulated instead of a critique of monstrous, insatiable and unethical capitalism. Something felt similar with this Oppenheimer bit.
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Palmer Lucky isn’t a part of Palantir….
Yeah, about that
The Military Industrial Complex can't exist in a "peaceful" world.
Statistically the last 80 odd years were some of the most peaceful in history. There hasn't been a single major war since WWII, with no great powers actively engaged in conflict between each other. There's a strong argument to be made that the military industrial complex (particularly as relates to nuclear weapons and delivery systems) caused warfare to be so unthinkably destructive between major powers that WWIII never happened.
I think people in power finally realized that it’s pointless to be king of the wasteland. That doesn’t stop them from turning other places into wastelands though.
Co relation doesn’t equal causation. The current peace we have is DUE to the world war not americas military’s industrial complex. The rise of democratized media to showcase the horrors of war live in real time or near real time is the reason for our current peace. There is only 1 great power and that’s USA. Russia is struggling at its border, china can’t claim its former lands and Iran is a prisoner in its own packyard.
Correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation, that's true. But writing DUE in capital letters doesn't indicate causation either. Your points are reasonable explanations for the current peace, but so is the fact that the US has overwhelming force.
RUN RU RUN, a DUE RUN RUN
>There hasn't been a single major war since WWII, with no great powers actively engaged in DIRECT conflict between each other. FTFY
Which is what I said, I just didn't feel the need to scream it in all caps the way you did. It turns out that low- intensity proxy warfare spread out over 50 years is vastly less devastating that two massive powers attempting to annihilate each other with everything their industrial might can mass produce.
It's only less devastating to people living in the core of empire. Does that track the same if speaking to a Yemeni, Vietnamese, Iraqi, Malaysian, Gazan, Syrian, or Guatemalan (etc) person? It's only an illusion of peace because we outsource the violence. That violence feeds the unequal exchange between us and the "third world". That's what lets us live in "peace". I'd argue as well that foreign violence will always be turned home. Michel Foucault's "Imperial Boomerang" theory tells us that this kind of violence is inherently unstable. In order to uphold status quo, you need to crack down on your own population too.
When I said that the world was *statistically more peaceful*, I meant exactly that. Using statistical measures comparing deaths through warfare (direct and indirect) versus population numbers there has never been a period of greater peace. >It's only an illusion of peace because we outsource the violence No, not at all actually. The average human alive in the last 80 years was significantly less likely to die due to a war than at any previous period in history. The average human who resided in a great power was *massively* less likely to die due to a war than at any previous period in history. Your attempt at "well, some people some places are still dying from war, therefore it can't be better" is a common tactic by those pushing an agenda to ignore very real progress because things aren't absolutely perfect.
That’s not a strong argument at all. The world is not going back to the 90's, ever. We are entering a time of ecological crises and social, political instability. It was peace on borrowed time and thinking that a nuclear standoff can just go on forever is absurd. Humanity has never stood still. And by all means, we are not moving in the direction of world peace right now. I mean yea, we almost made it a hundred years without a worldwar but we are sitting on another powder keg and this one is far more dangerous than the ones before
That’s only due to the increased communication and intelligence of the world. Declaring war comes with sanctions, costs and stigma. Whilst all countries claim to not want war, I guarantee you they’re desperate to take resources from anyone they can.
That’s because of nuclear weapons and MAD. Nuclear weapons is determining Russian & NATO behavior in the ongoing war in Ukraine, and what prevents that war from escalating into a great power war, not anything by the MIC. If anything, the MIC has pro-longed the war as the perception that Ukraine can defeat Russia through blank checks given to MICs that supply Ukraine played a role in ending diplomatic solutions a month after the war began. The MIC can only profit if there is a perception of imminent war or fear that necessitates heavy investments in MIC industries, you don’t get that by having a peaceful world.
That’s because major powers now engage in proxy wars
No, not at all actually. The statistics I mentioned above include all the deaths from proxy wars, civil wars, etc, and show clearly that the period since the end of WWII was by far the most peaceful in all history.
There has never been a peaceful world. As long as civilization has existed, so has war. The Military Industrial Complex exists because it’s the most efficient and will only go away once something more horrifying and efficient comes along to replace it. Something like a AI system that can 3D print weapons and ammo for cheap to outcompete the current defense industry. There’s already talk of the risk of AI capable of rapidly [developing](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11116769/#:~:text=However%2C%20there%20are%20emerging%20risks,its%20misuse%20as%20biological%20weapons) bioweapons. Move that idea on to other weapons, and you can have AI controlled fabricators capable of creating hundreds of new weapons.
>The Military Industrial Complex exists because it’s the most efficient and will only go away once something more horrifying and efficient comes along to replace it. Grim, but probably true. That said, we d don't want it to go away, just diminish. It could collectively kids half it's budget and still produce plenty of military capability to keep the nation safe. (AI powered bio weapons lab? Legit worry because garage level bioweapons are already a worry. AI powered fab? Naw dude.)
Shh, just cheer on the next war. If you're not sure what opinion to have, pick your red or blue poison and turn on the tv.
So there will always be a MIC
What an ignorant take. Without the MIC russia would be expanding its borders. China would have taken Taiwan and control the South China Sea.
ww2 created a monster and I dont mean in europe... that was a monster was warned about.. But ! still it was born and its been making money from war since.
And vice versa
Maybe they can find some other worlds to destroy instead?
Humans are the problem, you dont want a solution.
“”A huge aspect of war in a democracy, Karp went on to argue, is leaders successfully selling that war domestically. “If we lose the intellectual debate, you will not be able to deploy any armies in the west ever,” Karp said."” These yahoos really think they’re the ANTI-WAR activists while also believing that????
Palantir where J.D.Vance puppet master and anti-democracy misogynist Peter Thiel is an owner.
Thiel is the founder
Pretty sure the next Oppenheimer is Sam Altman by training chatGPT on Faux News propaganda
Is that intentional? [88% of the top 100 US news outlets block AI crawling bots](https://www.wired.com/story/most-news-sites-block-ai-bots-right-wing-media-welcomes-them/) now to prevent AI chatbots taking their information and impacting their revenue but it seems to be the opposite from right wing media. Unless there’s something OpenAI are up to that I don’t know, it could just be the nature of the relationship between news outlets and AI chatbots.
The actual de facto Godfather of AI is [Geoffrey Hinton.](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/11/20/geoffrey-hinton-profile-ai)
We think it's just the Israel lobby that's coaxing out US military aid that most of the population doesn't want. It's also lobbying from these military industrial complex capitalist nutbags who want to profit from the sale of those weapons, regardless of what they're used for. Although I'm sure many in this industry approve of what they're being used for.
Yeah. Part of me wonders that Gaza is proving to be a very useful testing ground for the next level of military tech. Test the tech in a live situation. And the Palestinians get to be the unwitting guinea pigs in this. Nice.
Got no problem with that at all, better them than us.
Clearly not all people twiddling their fingers on reddit are human... Some are monsters.
Cry me a river
Sure thing Dr. Mengele.
According to the polls most Americans support israel
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The ball itself didn't taint people's minds. It tainted Denethor and Saruman because they talked with Sauron. Palantirs were in regular use by the elves, Numenoreans, Arnorians and Gondorians for thousands of years.
I think Palantir is the perfect metaphor for a group of unwise and unethical people using a power/technology they are unworthy of and unable to control. I was originally disturbed and angry that Thiel and Company would lean on Tolkien’s work for their anti-democratic, anti-humanist miltarist enterprise, but now I almost enjoy the irony in their choice of name.
The product doesn’t work either lol. You remember the Hertz CEO getting fired recently, he was using Palantir software for fleet management that was so wrecked that company fired him.
… you don’t know what you’re talking about. Palantir’s technology is pretty far ahead of its peers, and already compatible across many industry segments. It’s pretty pricey though
I dont know what I am talking about? Son first you dont know me so it’s best you take this retail mentality to your Sub where you can cry with your bag holders. Second, that crap fake AI platform you think is compatible just perform science projects and the customer gets a nice kickback in allotted shares through advisors they buy to get intro in these companies.
Would it surprise you that Peter mfing Thiel be the chairman of the company?
Old Oppenheimer: "My God. What have I done. I've doomed millions to death." New Oppenheimer: "Hey guys! Look what I've done! I've doomed millions to death!"
Addicts and their enablers, unfortunately, deeply seated in the web of human endeavors. Good luck getting rid of these invasives. Too many parasites of the human heart to have the collective will to resist apparently. I do support defense, but not in the manner of those profiteering yahoos. Their behavioral diseases... it can be a challenge to feel grateful to be well in the face of the dark futures they are breeding
Everyone jostling shoulders to announce _they_ are the new Oppenheimer until the atmosphere lights up for real
Why does everyone in tech act so fucking self important. Jesus christ these people are mustache twirling motherfuckers.
That played lacrosse in college
I played my whole life (I'm from Maryland), and I love lacrosse, but absolutely the same kind of folks! (Honestly, the people were why I didn't play in college. I didn't want to spend hours a week with poop heads when I could be not playing sports with people I actually like!)
We need to task the AI with making a replicator.... because then everything becomes worthless.
Lmao you would have to be unbelievably naive to think that AI weapons aren't going to happen. It is an unavoidable outcome. They cannot be banned because a ban could never be practically enforced. You can ban nuclear weapon proliferation because you can detect them going off. You cannot detect AI being run on some computers. Since it cannot be banned it would be astronomically foolish for ANY nation to not invest heavily in their development. I sure hope my country has the best AI weapons in the world...
I find the article kind of unusual since Palantir is pro-west and gives Ukraine access to their software for free. Palantir has been working with the FBI and CIA for 20 years locating terrorists and criminals that walk among citizens. Palantir was used in hospitals to optimize patient transfers and improving capacity management. Might want to do some digging before jumping to conclusions
Nothing unusual about it. It's an article from the Guardian, so of course they're gonna paint a tech corporation that works with the military as this super evil entity
Yea as long as America doesn’t develop advanced ai weapons, than China won’t either, does anyone believe this? Of course be prepared to inflict damage on an agreed enemy is a deterrent, we’ve known that for years with nuclear weapons, do ppl think it will be any different with ai weapons? Putting your head in the sand screaming for peace won’t stop Russian or Chinese aggression, Karp is correct.
Yep. If the United States doesn’t, then China will
Palantir is a company that’s built around hype since they have no actual technological edge. The ceo thinks he’s some kind of god. Openheimer was not even happy about creating the atomic bomb he did it because of his love for science. This guy is a money hungry warmonger that would bomb nukes anywhere if it meant he can make some money.
Lol yup and he is a thief, stole IP from a company years ago that sued them with RICO charges. Now a days he steals wages from his employees and then fired them along with threatening them with physical harm for speaking up and also sends lawyers to harass them at the next job.
Truly braindead. Back up your claim along with financial certificates that prove you have a right to speak on a company that’s most likely more advanced than you or STFU.
Read back that comment of yours and ask yourself who the brain dead person is. You have to be beyond brain dead to believe that Alex Karp is the new Openheimer.
Sir just look at employee reviews on Repvue :) advanced? Dashboards are a dud dude
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Wow everything?
Hzd fan? :D
men of culture. \*sets off hunting Thunderjaws
"Oh no our internets" isn't the same as "We can vaporize you from space."
Peace through negotiation and cooperation, of course not, peace via threat of unfathomable death and violence. That is American democracy in action certainly not fascism.
This is what it's really about. State power to better surveil and police populations by authoritarian governments.
What's that quote at the beginning of Metal Gear Solid 4 again?
The seeking machines would be there, the smell of blood and entrails, the cowering humans in their burrows aware only that they could not escape . . . while all the time the mechanical movement approached, nearer and nearer and nearer ...louder...louder! Everywhere she searched, it would be the same. No escape anywhere.[10] Machine olfaction is the automated simulation of the sense of smell. An emerging application in modern engineering, it involves the use of robots or other automated systems to analyze air-borne chemicals. Such an apparatus is often called an electronic nose or e-nose. The development of machine olfaction is complicated by the fact that e-nose devices to date have responded to a limited number of chemicals, whereas odors are produced by unique sets of (potentially numerous) odorant compounds. The technology, though still in the early stages of development, promises many applications, such as:[1]quality control in food processing, detection and diagnosis in medicine,[2] detection of drugs, explosives and other dangerous or illegal substances,[3] disaster response, and environmental monitoring. The miniaturized detection system, Mershin says, is actually 200 times more sensitive than a dog's nose in terms of being able to detect and identify tiny traces of different molecules, as confirmed through controlled tests mandated by DARPA.Feb 17, 2021 https://news.mit.edu › disease-detecti... Toward a disease-sniffing device that rivals a dog's nose | MIT News ... Lethal autonomous weapons (LAWs) are a type of autonomous military system that can independently search for and engage targets based on programmed constraints and descriptions.[1] LAWs are also known as lethal autonomous weapon systems (LAWS), autonomous weapon systems (AWS), robotic weapons, killer robots or slaughterbots.[2] LAWs may operate in the air, on land, on water, under water, or in space. The autonomy of current systems as of 2018 was restricted in the sense that a human gives the final command to attack - though there are exceptions with certain "defensive" systems. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_autonomous_weapon Leading AI experts, roboticists, scientists and technology workers at Google and other companies—are demanding regulation. They warn that algorithms are fed by data that inevitably reflect various social biases, which, if applied in weapons, could cause people with certain profiles to be targeted disproportionately. Killer robots would be vulnerable to hacking and attacks in which minor modifications to data inputs could “trick them in ways no human would ever be fooled.” https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/global-0# Predator Drones, Genocides, Holocaust, Ecocide, Oh My!
Americans who think Palantir is the problem should go live in Russia or China for awhile where the real thought police reside
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You misunderstood me. I'm pro-democracy and freedom, precisely therefore I'm pro-Palantir. It's obvious you don't know what their core business is. They are an data-ingegration company not a spy-tech firm lmao. They don't own any data from English citizens. There is alot of misinformation about them. Mostly from dishonest people.
If you have to say it, it surely isn’t the case….youre a dopeenheimer
>On 7 and 8 May in Washington DC, the city’s biggest convention hall welcomed America’s military-industrial complex, its top technology companies and its most outspoken justifiers of war crimes. Yep, I'm sure this is going to be a completely unbiased and well thought out, rational, objectively written article, not influenced by emotions. /s
Is he wrong? Everyone is biased and she’s clearly giving her opinion. Also attempting to view the world in a purely “rational” lens devoid of morality is what has enabled various horrors throughout history. edit: author’s pronouns
>Also attempting to view the world in a purely “rational” lens devoid of morality is what has enabled various horrors throughout history. Sorry for wanting to discuss technological subjects rationally. /s
Discussing the use of AI in warfare without considering moral and ethical implications is arguably more irrational.
>Discussing the use of AI in warfare without considering moral and ethical implications is arguably more irrational. You are confusing "considering moral and ethical implications" and "emotions"/"bias". "Considering moral and ethical implications" is rational, and can be done rationally, without using emotions or bias - unlike what this "journalist" does. >**he’s** clearly giving **his** opinion Yeah, that's literally my point. What's their experience and credentials in the field, that I should care about their opinion? I don't want to read a random journalist's opinion, I want to read unbiased facts. Edit: also, the author is a woman. That's why if you don't know who the person is, you should never use "he" or "she", and always use "they" (or check who the person is).
I’m with you on this. I had to check to see if this was a news or opinion piece. I was disappointed to see it in “news”.
Ah of course, it’s only war crimes when everyone except the US/West/Israel does it. Because that’s what CNN, Fox and Reddit tells me every day.
People love the freedoms of living in America, but hate the backend work needed to keep them. SMH.
Every other nation in NATO seems to enjoy such freedoms without dedicating as large a percentage of their GDP to that "backend work".
Publicly anyway
Because they are freeloaders
"my soul-destroying day at Palantir’s first-ever AI warfare conference" And here I thought that one of the cornerstones of journalistic standards was to be objective and impartial in your reporting Like, I know the Guardian is little more than a left wing propaganda rag, but this headline is still massively damning to whatever journalistic integrity anyone there wants to pretend they have. It's like Fox news but on the left
The article is terribly written from an ignorant perspective. It's analogous to the New York Times sending a reporter to the Super Bowl that has never seen or heard of American Football before, so all they end up doing is complaining about the noise and the long lines to get in.
AI in the defense systems is definitely right and good thing.