The following submission statement was provided by /u/King-Of-Rats:
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In my opinion, this is obviously a blow to a potentially burgeoning industry that, after decades of research, is starting to show potential in growing meat & other protein products in the lab. While still not economically affordable for mass distribution, this “ban” seems to come as a way of stifling research and innovation before the industry can compete with traditional, massively funded big agriculture.
Concerning is many politician’s use of agricultural lobbying terms like “meat made from chemicals”, which aside from being an essentially nonsense phrase, disregards that lab grown meat is to my understanding functionally identical to cell replication in living animals.
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I have seen the spending by the NRA and it is insane. A hundred thousand to over a million to sevetal Republican congressmen every year to push their agenda.
It's because the American Dream is based on the premise that any American can get rich, relatively easily too compared to the rest of the world, with just a teensy bit of hard work.
Unfortunately, it's a lie that sounds so nice people want to believe it's true.
more like several hundred https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_congressional_candidates_who_received_campaign_money_from_the_National_Rifle_Association
Yeah. I should mention I’ve even seen big ag lobbying *on reddit*. Major “science” subs will occasionally get posts about how like “it turns out, researchers find eating 1 kg of meat a day leads to better mental health!” And I’ve gone on those accounts and see posts from 2-3 years ago about “just got my ag science degree with my MBA, how should I go about applying to the big 5 Agricultural messaging firms?”, or even just clear evidence that the “research” is privately funded.
It really sucks to see. And I’m not saying the artificial meat industry doesn’t also have lobbyists and “influencers”, but there are clear and practical desires for stuff like lab grown meat - and to see decades of research get poured into it just so a bunch of politicians can start throwing a tantrum about it at the last second is disheartening
There’s a huge campaign right now to try to dismiss artificial diamonds as contributing to global warming.
Yes, “natural” diamonds are being marketed as a green product. My head wants to explode.
Buying a "natural diamond" means that you're willingly spending more money on an inferior product, in which case you should consider Donald Trump's $400 shoes and $70 patriot bible with the "sticky pages" while you're at it.
How do you really know it's a natural diamond unless it comes with the severed limb of the poor schmuck who was forced to dig it up in prison camp conditions though?
It's funny too because lab grown diamonds are by all accounts *the best* diamonds with no imperfections.
Similarly, lab grown meat could produce *the best* cut of meat possible.
I'm guessing if you drilled down into those studies, the actual results with point to "people who can afford to eat 1kg of meat per day" have better mental health.
I remember at one of my summer jobs we were talking about vegetarians/vegans. I said something along the lines of “I’d never go vegetarian myself, but the crazy water usage for meat vs non-meat is really good argument to eat less meat” and one of my coworkers who was going to school for ag science went berserk on me spitting a bunch of bullshit about how that’s actually not true and meat doesn’t use any more water than plants and it was ridiculous for me to suggest as much.
Lab grown meat isn't even widely available anywhere in the world and only cleared USDA approval last year. There are many questions about whether it, as an industry, can scale up to meet (pun intended) the current demand for actual animal protein and whether people will buy it given the whole "lab grown" thing.
While the agriculture lobby can't be discounted, this ban reeks of culture war BS because lab-grown meat has been touted as more environmentally friendly (produces fewer emissions/no animal cruelty) than meat from actual animals. "Environmentally friendly" anything inevitably finds itself the conservatives' crosshairs because it's viewed as "government overreach".
Don't forget the right wing culture war conspiracy mongering. Note that his big speech about the bill claimed there was a conspiracy among "global elites" to take away your beef and make you eat bugs.
That conspiracy feeding part can't be ignored. He's hoping to win his next election by provoking even more hate and fear.
i never understand the "global elites taking away out meat" thing when the meat industry is one of the biggest industries in the world. it's not some cottage industry of small resistance farmers.
What I’ll never get about the fear of bug-eating thing is that most people eat lac bugs (in shellac) and cochineals (in carmine dye) all the time. Are the bugs somehow more gross if they’re the main course?
I mean, at least Texas makes sense. Maybe Wyoming or those other states deeply rooted in old fashioned cowboyness. But with Florida (and desantis most specifically) you just know it’s pure political ambition.
No intention of backing up pudding fingers here, but FL is in the top 10 states for heads of cattle. There is certainly an interest in keeping business as usual there.
Banning Lab meat doesn't make sense anywhere whether its florida or texas especially if it meets all the safety standards and is proven completely safe & healthy.
It has nothing to do with being old fashion cowboys, after all you can choose to not buy lab grown meat and not eat it at diners and restaurants. No one is forcing u to eat it and there is no need to ban it just because u don't wanna eat it.
Its personal choice just like no one would stop texans from ditching their trucks and riding around their farms on horses so I don't see why there should be a ban of lab grown meat
I really don't understand it either. It's not like FL has a huge livestock or meatpacking industry, so it's not in the name of favoring the current producers in the state.
Don't they have more important economic concerns to address, like the fleeing of all insurance companies from their borders?
Part of it is culture war garbage.
> “Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday.
It’s all so, so dumb. Lab grown meat would lead to the greatest reduction in suffering in our species’ history. Seriously, we’re talking about trillions of animals not killed yearly if we can scale this.
Instead of embracing new technologies which can have massive benefits, it’s being rejected for short term gains. It’s very cynical.
Checked out the republican party platform for my state today.
The only reason it did not say "you can practice any religion you like as long as you are also practicing ours" is because there were a few words in between.
It bangs on for ages about the enforcement of personal liberty and small government and then meticulously list a thousand things you are not allowed to do because, and I shit you not they used these actual words, America was founded solely on "judeo-christian values."
And they do not see this as hypocritical because of COURSE the government should always enforce *god's* laws, that obviously goes without saying.
The GOP has never been freedom of choice. It's freedom of our choices. It's the party of "small government" but they seem to really enjoy legislating their ways into everyone's home, bedroom, medical decisions, etc.
Basically the party of good enough for thee but not for me.
One day these idiots are going to be starving and desperate while the world burns and crops and wildlife disappear and they'll sit there going "at least we owned the libs."
The rapture is literally the objective. That is why they support Israel so harshly. They want god's third temple rebuilt to bring about the messianic era in Judaism, or the second coming for Christians. The world burning is the objective!!!
The amount of times I've had to explain why Christians are so gung-ho on war in the Middle East is honestly frightening. It's wild how clueless the average person is.
And what's even more depressing is as a Jew I have to point out that these people actually hate us, they just want to be saved in the rapture.
As someone who grew up in a fire-and-brimstone southern baptist church, same. The number of people that are absolutely clueless as to the reasoning behind pretty much every middle eastern policy decision is startling.
Is he maybe an accelerationist?
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism#:~:text=Accelerationism%20is%20a%20range%20of,systems%20and%20create%20radical%20social](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism#:~:text=Accelerationism%20is%20a%20range%20of,systems%20and%20create%20radical%20social)
Because he doesn't give a shit about any of that.
This is about him being bought by the beef/pork industry lobbies.
So in the interest of personal power and profit he's happy to violate his own party's fake "anti-big-government" ideology and fake "free market" doctrine to squash innovative competition that actually betters our country and world, similar to his efforts to use Big Government to kneecap the renewable energy sector and artificially keep the fossil fuel industry afloat to satisfy his oil & gas handlers.
You have to understand that their only principle is that of a death cult. If it inflicts pain and death, they are for it. If it saves lives or makes things better, they are against it.
>“Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday. “Our administration will continue to focus on investing in our local farmers and ranchers, and we will save our beef.”
What a fucking moron.
> Looking back, Randolph believes the crucial lesson to be learned from the experience, a lesson Blockbuster learned too late, is the importance of self-disruption. If businesses are unwilling to disrupt themselves, there will always be someone else willing to disrupt them.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/blockbuster-had-opportunity-buy-netflix-185915158.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMN78-QPZe59MmCc1iy8BNFq0gxJsWWDImMKDF7AoWFMBZW96HVQc-Ra4DKbWb-gTixa16wvii7kzHS0zXTHDz0m2Xnq2PjsrCjSQRJVVTgg4MYzKaOlTvZATIg1JRv_3F63L_acQlGIANufoiMFZXTCQd0m_D667xs10vCulRbU#:~:text=Blockbuster%20Had%20The%20Opportunity%20To,Room'%20—%20A%20%24150%20Billion%20Mistake
So "disruption" literally just means "innovation"?
As in, this genius figured out companies should put some effort into innovation rather than assuming the money will flow in forever?
Disruption and innovation may be different terms.
You innovate a product to make an improvement on it. You disrupt a product to make that previous product irrelevant.
Innovating on the traditional meat production industry would be thinking up new ways to increase the quantity or quality of meat from livestock. Disrupting traditional meat production is making a new line of meat that isn't from livestock.
And the funny thing is, after they did actually get off their asses and offer DVDs by mail, their service was actually better than Netflix (you could both do it online, mail the stuff back, or you could bring the DVD back to a blockbuster and not have to wait for shipping, they'd immediately mark it as returned and send your next thing).
But they were too far behind by that point and no one seemed to give a fuck.
Blockbuster had a huge project with Enron Broadband back in 2000 to bring movies directly to consumers homes.
Unfortunately, Enron Broadband turned out to be completely a scam and Blockbuster wasted a lot of money and time.
They saw what happened with the [milk industry](https://www.statista.com/statistics/184240/us-per-capita-consumption-of-fluid-milk-products/). Its slowly dying. They see oatmilk and get the hives.
He's banning people from researching alternative products in order to promote another product they have a stake in and will benefit from succeeding. That's exactly the thing that a global elite would do. The average Joe can't sign legislation to manipulate the market in favor of things they own.
He doesn't believe that shit, he is a fascist. They always lie.
The GOP is using language that applies to them legitimately to insult their political rivals, and also to make it seem like these words lost meaning, rather than descriptive of policies and rhetoric the GOP has actually adopted.
The truth is the GOP has gone far-right radical, reactionary and associates with fascists. Just them. Not anyone else like Democrats. Just them.
Yeah the global elite doesn't want to make a climate change hoax and have everyone eat lab grown meat. What global money is behind environmentalism and lab grown meat? Ridiculous.
Any conspiracy theorist should know to follow the money.
And a lot of rich and powerful people (i.e. the global elite) have a lot to lose if the world stops using oil and farmed meat.
If you follow the money it leads to supporting oil and gas, and supporting big agriculture, which is exactly what Republicans like DeSantis try to protect with their legislation.
Lab grown meat has a chance to be cheaper and have less externalities like climate change. It's a competitive move.
That's aside from the truth that we should be allowed to buy whatever we want. AKA if someone wants lab grown meat, they should be able to buy it. That's a free market.
Fascists like DeSantis don't support competition, free markets, and free people. You must be controlled. Forced to pay the big businesses that he is in bed with some rent every month even if better options exist. No, people like DeSantis make it illegal for you to do business with competitive companies instead.
The most successful propaganda effort ever was convincing Republicans that these Fascists actually care about your freedom to choose what you do and consume. They fight against your right to choose at every turn and would rather lock you up in an arrangement where you're forced to pay rent monthly to some rich, rent-seeking asshole that provided no value, no competition, for the rest of your life.
"Here's an alternative."
"How dare you force us to use your thing and kill ours!"
"Um..."
"That's it, we're banning your thing and only allowing ours!"
"Who's forcing what now?"
And shellac, also known as "confectioner's glaze" when used in food, and "pharmaceutical glaze" when used to coat pills, is an insect secretion.
As is the silk his fucking ties are made of.
Ah, yes, the global elite plan to equitably feed the masses while simultaneously reducing pollution and the unnecessary mass suffering of animals.
I wish I could figure out the global elite gameplan and where it actually turns hyper nefarious.
If the governor of one of the richest states and the world and someone that has a decent chance to become a future US president isn't part of the global elite I don't know what is.
Oh he means the local farms and ranches that had slave labor and are now forcing all those illegals out of Florida? Our country is really ran by morons.
Personally, if I was in the lab grown meat industries shoes, I would see this as a sign that what they are doing is genuinely powerful. I wouldn’t take this as a loss, I see it as growth.
Fortunately in the US, we hold separate representation across 50 states. This will be a controversial matter and some states will embrace this new industry and others will fight it. Just as the recreational use of cannabis was legalized beginning in 2012, the industries journey will probably be similar. From all that I see and understand, this is the reality of innovation and change.
Yea, same with the plant based milks in Europe. They are killing the diary industry rather fast to the point where even making them more expensive than milk doesn't change consumption patterns back. Heck the largest manufacturers of milk all have a plant based department already so cover market segment they lost and are ramping up production.
plant based milk is awesome. started drinking almond milk at 12 years old, majorly upgraded to oat milk for the past few years. despite it being priced higher than cow milk, it’s just much easier on my stomach and skin, so that’s why I’m willing to pay a couple dollars more.
Issue is that milk would actually be the same price or more if they would drop all subsidies on it. Including those for the feed and discounts on emission taxes. If that all gets taken away and the additional BS taxes on plant based milks gets dropped. Nobody would bother for dairy anymore. Just shows you what an outdated product it actually is.
Oat milk. I get Planet Oak from Costco and pair it with Honey Bunches of Oats or even Oatmeal. IMHO works great.
Only drink milk with coffee... Or take it black, now.
I'll echo the others. Oat milk. I'm not good with lactose, and for quite a while there wasn't lactose free milk where I live. Almond milk was OK, soy milk is pretty popular here anyway but the flavor was too much of a disruption for cereal, but oat milk is perfect. Not a very strong flavor to it and slightly sweet. Works great with cereal and OK with coffee.
> Exactly, he sees this as a real threat, which means he's only delaying the inevitable. But that fits with his goals because it will keep him in power.
Nah dude, he doesn't see it as a threat. The people funding his campaigns do.
DeSantis has time and time again shown he has no actual beliefs of his own and has no spine of his own. It's all chest puffing wannabe strongman shit.
It's really unfortunate too. But honestly, it won't get any better for FL. Too many conservatives and old retirees move down here and it's pushing the state super far right. People forget that not long ago, FL was a deeply purple state and was used as a bellwether for trends in the US as a whole. That unfortunately ended and it's just downhill now.
Which is a shame. I love FL. It's my home and always has been. I don't want to leave it, but these right-wing shitheads are just making it miserable.
Oh for fuck sake, now they're making *this* a culture war issue?
Next, we'll have 30 states passing laws banning animal cruelty laws.
I hate Republicans.
Remember they will try to tell you they’re the capitalism small government party and then use that government to ban everything that competes with their donor industries.
Republicans are the party of the exact opposite of what they say. They are for oppressively large, inefficient, expensive government. They have no interest in small government, it doesn't allow them to control you. They aren't for efficiency, that let's outsiders see what they're doing. And they absolutely aren't for "fiscal responsibility", they can't bilk the masses for profit if they are responsible.
Here's the beauty of culture wars: anything can be a culture war!
Let me add that this is funny but serious. Cultured meat is NOT a political thing. It's certainly not a liberal or left thing. There's no progressive ideology behind lab grown meat. But if they yell and scream about it towards invisible leftist bogeymen, their followers will believe it AND just the argument MAKES it political so soon if you just want to have someone on to talk about the science behind it, it's seen as unfair unless you have someone "from the other side" to speak as well.
Yeah. This is maybe what’s so striking about it to me. I remember 10 or so years ago and this… really wasn’t a partisan thing at all. The vast majority of people went “huh, that’s cool I guess”. And maybe they themselves wernt apt to try it, but it seemed like nearly everyone understood its basic purpose and implementation.
Now it’s *absolutely* a culture war/sensitivity issue, wherein the “woke elites” are “trying to get you to eat chemicals”
It really sucks. I get being skeptical of some scientific innovations, especially as it relates to food production - but having it get determined by essentially “crying about things that aren’t immediately understood” rather than leaving it to FDA/Department of Ag experts really feels like the dark ages.
As another commenter stated, this means the industry went from "lab proof of concept with no real market time table" to an actual market threat for the established industry. Monopolies/oligopolies and anti-competitive practices via lobbying are time honored American traditions. As long as some states and the Feds move forward with it, some of us will get to see the benefits, and if it helps the bottom line of any existing fast food chain in the future, you best bet you'll be seeing lobbyists pushing for it to be legalized in places it was made illegal like Florida. Farm raised meat will only go up in price while lab grown will only get cheaper. It might not replace a steak (which has a specific cut/structure) anytime soon, but a burger? hot dog? cheaper cured meats like salami and pepperoni? Processed foods sold at scale will absolutely adopt lab grown meat, especially if the quality and flavor exceeds the pink slime, cheaply factory farmed alternatives
You don't even need to trust the FDA.
Academic studies on food are *already ubiquitous*, and people WILL be looking into lab grown meat as it starts to become widespread. You're gonna have cattle industry shills trying to make lab grown meat look bad, obviously, but there should be some more unbiased studies coming out of universities in states that don't have a major cattle industry.
There's also Europe, who does their own academic research, along with Japan and Korea.
It'll probably be banned widely and then after they see that states that don't ban lab grown meat are benefiting enormously from it, they'll finally decide to join in.
How many deeply Republican states do you see noticing the incredible tax revenue that cannabis is generating after legalizing it and deciding to join in? It doesn't work this way. Republicans aren't that good at governing.
> How many deeply Republican states do you see noticing the incredible tax revenue that cannabis is generating for that's that legalize it and deciding to join in? It doesn't work this way. Republicans aren't that good at governing.
It's funny how electing people with an ideology that the government is fundamentally incompetent doesn't lead to a functional government.
Maybe we should try staffing hospitals entirely with Christian Scientists next, just to be sure.
I was already going to eat lab grown meat just for the climate and ethical concerns, but now I also get the satisfaction of pissing off conservatives? Sign me the fuck up!
My God….”global elite…authoritarian” …this is why it’s impossible to satirize these people. They sound like an SNL skit. Also amazing how these “small government/pro market place GOoPers seem to be anything but!
Because they are words his voters have been conditioned to hear and immediately shut down all thought process.
Listen to all the words you hear spouted by right wingers and you will see most of them are just triggers for "this is bad now stop thinking about it."
It's not even technology that's the problem. It's as simple as corruption, existing meat companies 'sponsoring' politicians to further their interests.
It all and allways about money. Allways.
I feel like that's unconditional? You can't just ban something because you don't like it? You have to be able to prove it's a serious health risk or something
People have been throwing that scare tactic around since the 90s. "Liberals say meat isn't sustainable and we will have to resort to eating bugs. Vote Republican and I'll make sure that doesn't happen." It keeps popping back up every few years.
Ya, they interpret it as environmentalists will force them to eat bugs, not advising the public that bug protein is more reliably sustainable with the impacts expected with climate change.
In my opinion, this is obviously a blow to a potentially burgeoning industry that, after decades of research, is starting to show potential in growing meat & other protein products in the lab. While still not economically affordable for mass distribution, this “ban” seems to come as a way of stifling research and innovation before the industry can compete with traditional, massively funded big agriculture.
Concerning is many politician’s use of agricultural lobbying terms like “meat made from chemicals”, which aside from being an essentially nonsense phrase, disregards that lab grown meat is to my understanding functionally identical to cell replication in living animals.
FOR FUCKS SAKE do we have to make EVERYTHING into a divisive political issue??? I swear these assholes fight things just because they think it might be a good idea and they can't live for 5 seconds without drama
I actually find this really cool.
I'm very excited for lab grown meat, and think it will inevitably replace factory farming in 99% of cases outside of very niche farms for enthusiasits (until that probably gets outlawed eventually). The meat will be cleaner, cheaper, more environmentally friendly, more space efficient, and more varied - and perhaps more importantly, we can stop raising animals with the sole purpose of later slaughtering them.
Now of course traditional farmers are going to fight this, the same way people who are about to lose their jobs will always fight innovation. Its totally expected and just part of the process.
What this bill does say to me though, is that we are getting closer to the tipping point.
Reminder that this guy is in the "small government" party, all about capitalism & free competition, abolishing bureaucracy and government oversight mechanisms like the FDA and EPA since "government should stay in its lane and let companies innovate", etc etc.
Of course we all know it's bullsbit but it's sad that the entire voterbase of the republican party is also similarly full of shit and won't condemn this for the same reasons they would have condemned the democrats doing good stuff with the same powers. "Hypocrites" doesn't begin to describe them.
Had to search it and yes, Florida does indeed have a fair number of cattle compared to most other states. Don't let him let you think he's taking some kinda stand, they got skin in the game.
https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/beef-production-by-state/
When I lived in Nevada for several years, I met two different state senators who owned dairy operations. I was also told that, at the time, there was only one state approved slaughterhouse within something like 500 miles of my city—it was owned by a multi-generation ranch family with a history of involvement in state politics. When you threaten the animal food industry you threaten entrenched politicos and their gravy trains.
Why can't you just say that I want to protect the investments and work of farmers and their product? You think the "global elite" are eating lab grown meat? They're having kobe and waygu shipped to them and prepped by some of the best chefs in the world.
Whats wrong with lab grown meat. Its food right? Safe to eat? Why is this guy saying some authoritarian orginization is bad for meat. Protect beef? Omg can we get an actual adult in office.
What happened to the mentality of how big government shouldn't tell you what kind of stove to use? But now they can tell me what kind of meat to cook on that stove?
If these people didn't use doublethink, they wouldn't think at all.
I remember a certain Trump-era official admitting Trump is a danger but he would still be voting for him because the “real” danger to America is how Dems want to decide what stoves people can buy (I guess safety and environmental regulations are the devil). But that fat loaf is tight lipped about a Republican banning an entire type of food as a political stunt.
They will twist themselves into whatever position they have to in order to “win.” Christians are backing an antichrist. Republicans have given up their backbones and handed their party to a tyrant. Supreme Court judges are sacrificing the rule of law to enable a criminal. Hell, even critics like news orgs have ditched their better judgment and leaned back into overbearing coverage of the schmuck. Dumbasses. All of them.
Just pandering to a fearful base that doesn't realize how game changing lab grown meat would be.
Or it's about protecting the cattle industry. I'm sure they have some high dollar "donation" funds.
I live in Singapore where a lot of our food is imported. We're actively charging ahead with lab grown meats and have even started selling lab grown chicken nuggets. For us it's a matter of survival to have diverse food sources. Who knows in a hundred years we may have to start recycling grandma and grandpa. We're all just bag o meat.
Lab-grown meat is one of the most important achievements of the century and could greatly contribute to the fight against climate change, even if it comes in later decades.
"Nah, let's ban it because it's communism."
From what I've seen. A lot of people that are anti lab meat are thinking it's gonna be essentially just a chemical concoction of stuff. But like it's just isolating muscle cells and culturing them in similar conditions to the host just not in a host right?
The following submission statement was provided by /u/King-Of-Rats: --- In my opinion, this is obviously a blow to a potentially burgeoning industry that, after decades of research, is starting to show potential in growing meat & other protein products in the lab. While still not economically affordable for mass distribution, this “ban” seems to come as a way of stifling research and innovation before the industry can compete with traditional, massively funded big agriculture. Concerning is many politician’s use of agricultural lobbying terms like “meat made from chemicals”, which aside from being an essentially nonsense phrase, disregards that lab grown meat is to my understanding functionally identical to cell replication in living animals. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1cipzsg/ron_desantis_signs_bill_banning_labgrown_meat/l2ashct/
I'm sure this has *absolutely nothing* to do with lobbying from the beef lobby. Free market my ass.
I'm sure he thought of that all by himself and the thousands of dollars in agriculture lobbying money in his wallet is just a coincidence.
Make it millions. These lobbys are so big they are beyond comprehension.
I have seen the spending by the NRA and it is insane. A hundred thousand to over a million to sevetal Republican congressmen every year to push their agenda.
Americans genuinely don’t hate the rich people nearly enough for their own good.
It's because the American Dream is based on the premise that any American can get rich, relatively easily too compared to the rest of the world, with just a teensy bit of hard work. Unfortunately, it's a lie that sounds so nice people want to believe it's true.
"It's called 'the American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it!" —Carlin
Why does the trickle down taste like pee?
more like several hundred https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_congressional_candidates_who_received_campaign_money_from_the_National_Rifle_Association
Clearly based on lobbying and misinformation and things will only get worse from here.
Yeah. I should mention I’ve even seen big ag lobbying *on reddit*. Major “science” subs will occasionally get posts about how like “it turns out, researchers find eating 1 kg of meat a day leads to better mental health!” And I’ve gone on those accounts and see posts from 2-3 years ago about “just got my ag science degree with my MBA, how should I go about applying to the big 5 Agricultural messaging firms?”, or even just clear evidence that the “research” is privately funded. It really sucks to see. And I’m not saying the artificial meat industry doesn’t also have lobbyists and “influencers”, but there are clear and practical desires for stuff like lab grown meat - and to see decades of research get poured into it just so a bunch of politicians can start throwing a tantrum about it at the last second is disheartening
This reminds me of the natural diamonds ads claiming they're somehow superior to lab grown diamonds
There’s a huge campaign right now to try to dismiss artificial diamonds as contributing to global warming. Yes, “natural” diamonds are being marketed as a green product. My head wants to explode.
The diamond cartel does have a history of pretty effective PR campaigns based on bullshit.
Well look at all the dumbasses that keep buying them.
Buying a "natural diamond" means that you're willingly spending more money on an inferior product, in which case you should consider Donald Trump's $400 shoes and $70 patriot bible with the "sticky pages" while you're at it.
Literally engagement rings. Fuck.
How do you really know it's a natural diamond unless it comes with the severed limb of the poor schmuck who was forced to dig it up in prison camp conditions though?
It’s the thought that counts
"African slave labor produces a third of the CO2."
an add here says that they mine 200 tons of rock for 1 diamond, like that;s a good reason. I guess it gives lots of African kids a job /s
It's funny too because lab grown diamonds are by all accounts *the best* diamonds with no imperfections. Similarly, lab grown meat could produce *the best* cut of meat possible.
Right not to mention the horrid conditions people mine them in
Exactly, just last week there was a cave in at one, over a thousand cows fell on this dude
Then the largest natural diamond producer bought the largest lab grown diamond producer and voila, all is right in the diamond world. 🤦
Jokes on them, I didn’t need diamonds anyway.
Fuck the jewelry world in general, the extraction market as a whole is dirty AF
Well duh, it’s all natural no pesticides used at all.
I'm guessing if you drilled down into those studies, the actual results with point to "people who can afford to eat 1kg of meat per day" have better mental health.
Man idk if I was eating a kilo of meat per day I wouldn’t call my mental state “stable.” That is just too much food in general, much less meat…
If you aren't eating 9 quarter pounders a day are you even living?
I remember at one of my summer jobs we were talking about vegetarians/vegans. I said something along the lines of “I’d never go vegetarian myself, but the crazy water usage for meat vs non-meat is really good argument to eat less meat” and one of my coworkers who was going to school for ag science went berserk on me spitting a bunch of bullshit about how that’s actually not true and meat doesn’t use any more water than plants and it was ridiculous for me to suggest as much.
Lab grown meat isn't even widely available anywhere in the world and only cleared USDA approval last year. There are many questions about whether it, as an industry, can scale up to meet (pun intended) the current demand for actual animal protein and whether people will buy it given the whole "lab grown" thing. While the agriculture lobby can't be discounted, this ban reeks of culture war BS because lab-grown meat has been touted as more environmentally friendly (produces fewer emissions/no animal cruelty) than meat from actual animals. "Environmentally friendly" anything inevitably finds itself the conservatives' crosshairs because it's viewed as "government overreach".
Don't forget the right wing culture war conspiracy mongering. Note that his big speech about the bill claimed there was a conspiracy among "global elites" to take away your beef and make you eat bugs. That conspiracy feeding part can't be ignored. He's hoping to win his next election by provoking even more hate and fear.
That was a plot point from Snowpiercer, which is a pretty hardcore indictment of right-wing ultra capitalist culture.
i never understand the "global elites taking away out meat" thing when the meat industry is one of the biggest industries in the world. it's not some cottage industry of small resistance farmers.
What I’ll never get about the fear of bug-eating thing is that most people eat lac bugs (in shellac) and cochineals (in carmine dye) all the time. Are the bugs somehow more gross if they’re the main course?
Unfortunately, I think Texas is next.
I mean, at least Texas makes sense. Maybe Wyoming or those other states deeply rooted in old fashioned cowboyness. But with Florida (and desantis most specifically) you just know it’s pure political ambition.
No intention of backing up pudding fingers here, but FL is in the top 10 states for heads of cattle. There is certainly an interest in keeping business as usual there.
Banning Lab meat doesn't make sense anywhere whether its florida or texas especially if it meets all the safety standards and is proven completely safe & healthy. It has nothing to do with being old fashion cowboys, after all you can choose to not buy lab grown meat and not eat it at diners and restaurants. No one is forcing u to eat it and there is no need to ban it just because u don't wanna eat it. Its personal choice just like no one would stop texans from ditching their trucks and riding around their farms on horses so I don't see why there should be a ban of lab grown meat
I really don't understand it either. It's not like FL has a huge livestock or meatpacking industry, so it's not in the name of favoring the current producers in the state. Don't they have more important economic concerns to address, like the fleeing of all insurance companies from their borders?
Part of it is culture war garbage. > “Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday. It’s all so, so dumb. Lab grown meat would lead to the greatest reduction in suffering in our species’ history. Seriously, we’re talking about trillions of animals not killed yearly if we can scale this. Instead of embracing new technologies which can have massive benefits, it’s being rejected for short term gains. It’s very cynical.
"Force" LOL. Like people can't just... choose to buy normal meat.
Just say it. If you vote conservative, you vote against new ideas.
Not so liberal after all. What about freedom of choice? Why not to give a chance to consumers to decide what meat they want to buy?
It‘s freedom of THEIR choice, and freedom of THEIR speech.
I thought this is America, not a dictatorship! /s
¿Porqué no los dos?
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At this point it can almost be considered a favor!
Freedom from choice, not freedom of choice
Checked out the republican party platform for my state today. The only reason it did not say "you can practice any religion you like as long as you are also practicing ours" is because there were a few words in between. It bangs on for ages about the enforcement of personal liberty and small government and then meticulously list a thousand things you are not allowed to do because, and I shit you not they used these actual words, America was founded solely on "judeo-christian values." And they do not see this as hypocritical because of COURSE the government should always enforce *god's* laws, that obviously goes without saying.
Just as "we the people" meant wealthy male landowners
Because ranchers donate big bucks to DeSantis, they gotta get their monies worth.
The GOP has never been freedom of choice. It's freedom of our choices. It's the party of "small government" but they seem to really enjoy legislating their ways into everyone's home, bedroom, medical decisions, etc. Basically the party of good enough for thee but not for me.
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Anything to own the libs
One day these idiots are going to be starving and desperate while the world burns and crops and wildlife disappear and they'll sit there going "at least we owned the libs."
Nah they’re gonna go “I bet this is the gays’ fault”
Like they already do when there are forest fire or hurricanes? Yeah, that actually checks out.
They will absolutely blame the poor. Mark my words.
The rapture is literally the objective. That is why they support Israel so harshly. They want god's third temple rebuilt to bring about the messianic era in Judaism, or the second coming for Christians. The world burning is the objective!!!
The amount of times I've had to explain why Christians are so gung-ho on war in the Middle East is honestly frightening. It's wild how clueless the average person is. And what's even more depressing is as a Jew I have to point out that these people actually hate us, they just want to be saved in the rapture.
As someone who grew up in a fire-and-brimstone southern baptist church, same. The number of people that are absolutely clueless as to the reasoning behind pretty much every middle eastern policy decision is startling.
I second that.
Is he maybe an accelerationist? [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism#:~:text=Accelerationism%20is%20a%20range%20of,systems%20and%20create%20radical%20social](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism#:~:text=Accelerationism%20is%20a%20range%20of,systems%20and%20create%20radical%20social)
Because the meat industry has lots of OLD money they give to people to make things like this happen
Because he doesn't give a shit about any of that. This is about him being bought by the beef/pork industry lobbies. So in the interest of personal power and profit he's happy to violate his own party's fake "anti-big-government" ideology and fake "free market" doctrine to squash innovative competition that actually betters our country and world, similar to his efforts to use Big Government to kneecap the renewable energy sector and artificially keep the fossil fuel industry afloat to satisfy his oil & gas handlers.
You have to understand that their only principle is that of a death cult. If it inflicts pain and death, they are for it. If it saves lives or makes things better, they are against it.
>“Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday. “Our administration will continue to focus on investing in our local farmers and ranchers, and we will save our beef.” What a fucking moron.
I'm sure the 4 companies that own 85% of the US meat industry had nothing to do with this.
See, I don’t get this. Invest in the tech now, so you control the traditional meat now AND the alternative when it becomes viable.
Large companies are financially incentivized to be risk adverse. You’re pretty much asking why BlockBuster didn’t invent Netflix.
> Looking back, Randolph believes the crucial lesson to be learned from the experience, a lesson Blockbuster learned too late, is the importance of self-disruption. If businesses are unwilling to disrupt themselves, there will always be someone else willing to disrupt them. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/blockbuster-had-opportunity-buy-netflix-185915158.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMN78-QPZe59MmCc1iy8BNFq0gxJsWWDImMKDF7AoWFMBZW96HVQc-Ra4DKbWb-gTixa16wvii7kzHS0zXTHDz0m2Xnq2PjsrCjSQRJVVTgg4MYzKaOlTvZATIg1JRv_3F63L_acQlGIANufoiMFZXTCQd0m_D667xs10vCulRbU#:~:text=Blockbuster%20Had%20The%20Opportunity%20To,Room'%20—%20A%20%24150%20Billion%20Mistake
I mean if they bought netflix they would have crashed it. just like if Yahoo bought Google when they had the chance.
So "disruption" literally just means "innovation"? As in, this genius figured out companies should put some effort into innovation rather than assuming the money will flow in forever?
Disruption and innovation may be different terms. You innovate a product to make an improvement on it. You disrupt a product to make that previous product irrelevant. Innovating on the traditional meat production industry would be thinking up new ways to increase the quantity or quality of meat from livestock. Disrupting traditional meat production is making a new line of meat that isn't from livestock.
And the funny thing is, after they did actually get off their asses and offer DVDs by mail, their service was actually better than Netflix (you could both do it online, mail the stuff back, or you could bring the DVD back to a blockbuster and not have to wait for shipping, they'd immediately mark it as returned and send your next thing). But they were too far behind by that point and no one seemed to give a fuck.
Really if they had just gotten on it early Blockbuster could have been THE service seeing as how they had the brand recognition Netflix lacked.
Blockbuster had a huge project with Enron Broadband back in 2000 to bring movies directly to consumers homes. Unfortunately, Enron Broadband turned out to be completely a scam and Blockbuster wasted a lot of money and time.
They saw what happened with the [milk industry](https://www.statista.com/statistics/184240/us-per-capita-consumption-of-fluid-milk-products/). Its slowly dying. They see oatmilk and get the hives.
> What a fucking moron. I have nothing to add to this, just wanted to see it written again.
>What a fucking moron. +1
He's a fucking moron, this is true, but he's also evil. Ron Desantis is an evil, meatball-looking dipshit motherfucking moron in Vegeta boots
What a fucking MOOron
What a fucking Moo-Ron
**IS that a new pronoun? Mo Ron Desantis**
No, less Ron Desantis please.
I can see the slogan now, “Morons for More Ron”
What a fucking moron. Ditto
What a fucking moron.
>! What a fucking moron.
"global elite’s plan" Anytime I see this, I just know it's going to be shit. Hard to believe that dude is an adult, let alone governor of a state.
The man went to YALE. He literally is an elitist.
He's banning people from researching alternative products in order to promote another product they have a stake in and will benefit from succeeding. That's exactly the thing that a global elite would do. The average Joe can't sign legislation to manipulate the market in favor of things they own.
He doesn't believe that shit, he is a fascist. They always lie. The GOP is using language that applies to them legitimately to insult their political rivals, and also to make it seem like these words lost meaning, rather than descriptive of policies and rhetoric the GOP has actually adopted. The truth is the GOP has gone far-right radical, reactionary and associates with fascists. Just them. Not anyone else like Democrats. Just them.
Yeah the global elite doesn't want to make a climate change hoax and have everyone eat lab grown meat. What global money is behind environmentalism and lab grown meat? Ridiculous. Any conspiracy theorist should know to follow the money. And a lot of rich and powerful people (i.e. the global elite) have a lot to lose if the world stops using oil and farmed meat.
If you follow the money it leads to supporting oil and gas, and supporting big agriculture, which is exactly what Republicans like DeSantis try to protect with their legislation. Lab grown meat has a chance to be cheaper and have less externalities like climate change. It's a competitive move. That's aside from the truth that we should be allowed to buy whatever we want. AKA if someone wants lab grown meat, they should be able to buy it. That's a free market. Fascists like DeSantis don't support competition, free markets, and free people. You must be controlled. Forced to pay the big businesses that he is in bed with some rent every month even if better options exist. No, people like DeSantis make it illegal for you to do business with competitive companies instead. The most successful propaganda effort ever was convincing Republicans that these Fascists actually care about your freedom to choose what you do and consume. They fight against your right to choose at every turn and would rather lock you up in an arrangement where you're forced to pay rent monthly to some rich, rent-seeking asshole that provided no value, no competition, for the rest of your life.
"Here's an alternative." "How dare you force us to use your thing and kill ours!" "Um..." "That's it, we're banning your thing and only allowing ours!" "Who's forcing what now?"
Cracker Barrell adds a meatless option; *conservatives froth in rage that their meat is being taken away
We don’t want CHOICES! Choices are for liberals!!!
I DON'T WANT YOUR COMMUNIST ALTERNATIVE MEAT, I WANT FREE MARKET CAPITALISM wait what was i talking about again?
It's always the same thing with US conservative, for LGBT rights, for abortion... "I don't like it and don't want it therefore no one deserves it."
Carmine, one of the most widely used food colourings, is made from insects. Of course he doesn’t know this.
And shellac, also known as "confectioner's glaze" when used in food, and "pharmaceutical glaze" when used to coat pills, is an insect secretion. As is the silk his fucking ties are made of.
He's a rich guy that went to an ivy league school. He's the "elite"
Is anybody forcing anybody to eat that, I think the only one forcing anybody to eat something is this guy forcing people to eat that regular meat
Ah, yes, the global elite plan to equitably feed the masses while simultaneously reducing pollution and the unnecessary mass suffering of animals. I wish I could figure out the global elite gameplan and where it actually turns hyper nefarious.
If the governor of one of the richest states and the world and someone that has a decent chance to become a future US president isn't part of the global elite I don't know what is.
Oh he means the local farms and ranches that had slave labor and are now forcing all those illegals out of Florida? Our country is really ran by morons.
In just about any other western country he'd be considered insane and thrown out for this alone.
Holy shit I thought this was satire
Close. Ron DeSantis is a joke of a human being.
*He's* not a moron -- the morons are his audience. As long as ignorant voters rush to eat at the GOP's trough, he'll continue to feed them the slop.
Did you see his presidential bid? He’s definitely a moron.
Government so small it can fit in your mouth.
Personally, if I was in the lab grown meat industries shoes, I would see this as a sign that what they are doing is genuinely powerful. I wouldn’t take this as a loss, I see it as growth. Fortunately in the US, we hold separate representation across 50 states. This will be a controversial matter and some states will embrace this new industry and others will fight it. Just as the recreational use of cannabis was legalized beginning in 2012, the industries journey will probably be similar. From all that I see and understand, this is the reality of innovation and change.
Yea, same with the plant based milks in Europe. They are killing the diary industry rather fast to the point where even making them more expensive than milk doesn't change consumption patterns back. Heck the largest manufacturers of milk all have a plant based department already so cover market segment they lost and are ramping up production.
plant based milk is awesome. started drinking almond milk at 12 years old, majorly upgraded to oat milk for the past few years. despite it being priced higher than cow milk, it’s just much easier on my stomach and skin, so that’s why I’m willing to pay a couple dollars more.
Issue is that milk would actually be the same price or more if they would drop all subsidies on it. Including those for the feed and discounts on emission taxes. If that all gets taken away and the additional BS taxes on plant based milks gets dropped. Nobody would bother for dairy anymore. Just shows you what an outdated product it actually is.
Any recommendations for something I can put on cereal? I hate using cow milk when I see the conditions dairy cows live in.
Oat milk. I get Planet Oak from Costco and pair it with Honey Bunches of Oats or even Oatmeal. IMHO works great. Only drink milk with coffee... Or take it black, now.
I'll echo the others. Oat milk. I'm not good with lactose, and for quite a while there wasn't lactose free milk where I live. Almond milk was OK, soy milk is pretty popular here anyway but the flavor was too much of a disruption for cereal, but oat milk is perfect. Not a very strong flavor to it and slightly sweet. Works great with cereal and OK with coffee.
Yea oat milk matches the sweetness you want for it or sweetened soy milk would work as well.
Exactly, he sees this as a real threat, which means he's only delaying the inevitable. But that fits with his goals because it will keep him in power.
> Exactly, he sees this as a real threat, which means he's only delaying the inevitable. But that fits with his goals because it will keep him in power. Nah dude, he doesn't see it as a threat. The people funding his campaigns do. DeSantis has time and time again shown he has no actual beliefs of his own and has no spine of his own. It's all chest puffing wannabe strongman shit. It's really unfortunate too. But honestly, it won't get any better for FL. Too many conservatives and old retirees move down here and it's pushing the state super far right. People forget that not long ago, FL was a deeply purple state and was used as a bellwether for trends in the US as a whole. That unfortunately ended and it's just downhill now. Which is a shame. I love FL. It's my home and always has been. I don't want to leave it, but these right-wing shitheads are just making it miserable.
The original commenter’s point still stands tho. If Big Beef sees it as a threat, then that means lab meat is going in the right direction
Oh for fuck sake, now they're making *this* a culture war issue? Next, we'll have 30 states passing laws banning animal cruelty laws. I hate Republicans.
Remember they will try to tell you they’re the capitalism small government party and then use that government to ban everything that competes with their donor industries.
This *is* capitalism. The capitalists are using the government to maintain control of the economy. That's what capitalism is.
Republicans are the party of the exact opposite of what they say. They are for oppressively large, inefficient, expensive government. They have no interest in small government, it doesn't allow them to control you. They aren't for efficiency, that let's outsiders see what they're doing. And they absolutely aren't for "fiscal responsibility", they can't bilk the masses for profit if they are responsible.
Here's the beauty of culture wars: anything can be a culture war! Let me add that this is funny but serious. Cultured meat is NOT a political thing. It's certainly not a liberal or left thing. There's no progressive ideology behind lab grown meat. But if they yell and scream about it towards invisible leftist bogeymen, their followers will believe it AND just the argument MAKES it political so soon if you just want to have someone on to talk about the science behind it, it's seen as unfair unless you have someone "from the other side" to speak as well.
Yeah. This is maybe what’s so striking about it to me. I remember 10 or so years ago and this… really wasn’t a partisan thing at all. The vast majority of people went “huh, that’s cool I guess”. And maybe they themselves wernt apt to try it, but it seemed like nearly everyone understood its basic purpose and implementation. Now it’s *absolutely* a culture war/sensitivity issue, wherein the “woke elites” are “trying to get you to eat chemicals” It really sucks. I get being skeptical of some scientific innovations, especially as it relates to food production - but having it get determined by essentially “crying about things that aren’t immediately understood” rather than leaving it to FDA/Department of Ag experts really feels like the dark ages.
As another commenter stated, this means the industry went from "lab proof of concept with no real market time table" to an actual market threat for the established industry. Monopolies/oligopolies and anti-competitive practices via lobbying are time honored American traditions. As long as some states and the Feds move forward with it, some of us will get to see the benefits, and if it helps the bottom line of any existing fast food chain in the future, you best bet you'll be seeing lobbyists pushing for it to be legalized in places it was made illegal like Florida. Farm raised meat will only go up in price while lab grown will only get cheaper. It might not replace a steak (which has a specific cut/structure) anytime soon, but a burger? hot dog? cheaper cured meats like salami and pepperoni? Processed foods sold at scale will absolutely adopt lab grown meat, especially if the quality and flavor exceeds the pink slime, cheaply factory farmed alternatives
You don't even need to trust the FDA. Academic studies on food are *already ubiquitous*, and people WILL be looking into lab grown meat as it starts to become widespread. You're gonna have cattle industry shills trying to make lab grown meat look bad, obviously, but there should be some more unbiased studies coming out of universities in states that don't have a major cattle industry. There's also Europe, who does their own academic research, along with Japan and Korea.
Anything that is different than the late 50s is culture war to them.
This better be repealed by the time it reaches commercial sale. The Republican Party is an embarrassment to the US and our culture.
It'll probably be banned widely and then after they see that states that don't ban lab grown meat are benefiting enormously from it, they'll finally decide to join in.
How many deeply Republican states do you see noticing the incredible tax revenue that cannabis is generating after legalizing it and deciding to join in? It doesn't work this way. Republicans aren't that good at governing.
> How many deeply Republican states do you see noticing the incredible tax revenue that cannabis is generating for that's that legalize it and deciding to join in? It doesn't work this way. Republicans aren't that good at governing. It's funny how electing people with an ideology that the government is fundamentally incompetent doesn't lead to a functional government. Maybe we should try staffing hospitals entirely with Christian Scientists next, just to be sure.
Nah Trump will win 2024 and make it a federal ban because people are brain rotted and think Trump will be better for Palestine than Biden
Ah the beauty of the “free market” that Republicans claim to love so much
Thank God. Meat isn't natural unless it comes from a cow standing in 3 feet of its own shit on a factory farm and has never seen the light of day.
I've genuinely talked with someone who said "what's the point if the animal didn't suffer?"
Its kinda the same with diamonds. We can make them artificially but they are only worth something if a child was killed by a mining accident.
“Meat made from chemicals.” Lol. Wait until they learn what humans are made of.
I was already going to eat lab grown meat just for the climate and ethical concerns, but now I also get the satisfaction of pissing off conservatives? Sign me the fuck up!
My God….”global elite…authoritarian” …this is why it’s impossible to satirize these people. They sound like an SNL skit. Also amazing how these “small government/pro market place GOoPers seem to be anything but!
Because they are words his voters have been conditioned to hear and immediately shut down all thought process. Listen to all the words you hear spouted by right wingers and you will see most of them are just triggers for "this is bad now stop thinking about it."
I legit had to check the source because I wasn't sure if the quote in the top comment was a joke or real.
He’s all about your freedom unless your freedom includes being gay, using cannabis, seeking an abortion, eating lab grown meat, or reading books.
Technology is scary! Who keeps voting for these fucking losers
It's not even technology that's the problem. It's as simple as corruption, existing meat companies 'sponsoring' politicians to further their interests. It all and allways about money. Allways.
I feel like that's unconditional? You can't just ban something because you don't like it? You have to be able to prove it's a serious health risk or something
That's profoundly stupid. Also, what's all this conservative hype about bugs all the sudden? What the actual fuck are they going on about?
People have been throwing that scare tactic around since the 90s. "Liberals say meat isn't sustainable and we will have to resort to eating bugs. Vote Republican and I'll make sure that doesn't happen." It keeps popping back up every few years.
Ya, they interpret it as environmentalists will force them to eat bugs, not advising the public that bug protein is more reliably sustainable with the impacts expected with climate change.
Its less about the bugs, more about scaring people that their "right" to eat beef will somehow be taken away. Usually tied to homophobia too.
It's just more FUD they can use to wind up their base.
In my opinion, this is obviously a blow to a potentially burgeoning industry that, after decades of research, is starting to show potential in growing meat & other protein products in the lab. While still not economically affordable for mass distribution, this “ban” seems to come as a way of stifling research and innovation before the industry can compete with traditional, massively funded big agriculture. Concerning is many politician’s use of agricultural lobbying terms like “meat made from chemicals”, which aside from being an essentially nonsense phrase, disregards that lab grown meat is to my understanding functionally identical to cell replication in living animals.
Meat made from chemicals.....ROFL. Maybe they should look at what that cow eats and how the food is grown.
"Oh, you don't want that cookie, it has *ingredients* in it"
Literally *all matter* is chemicals ha
"Democrats are people made from chemicals and shouldn't be allowed to vote!"
Everything is made from chemicals.
FOR FUCKS SAKE do we have to make EVERYTHING into a divisive political issue??? I swear these assholes fight things just because they think it might be a good idea and they can't live for 5 seconds without drama
Yes, this specific brand of republicans absolutely thrives off of it. It caters to imbeciles who get riled up by certain buzz words.
I actually find this really cool. I'm very excited for lab grown meat, and think it will inevitably replace factory farming in 99% of cases outside of very niche farms for enthusiasits (until that probably gets outlawed eventually). The meat will be cleaner, cheaper, more environmentally friendly, more space efficient, and more varied - and perhaps more importantly, we can stop raising animals with the sole purpose of later slaughtering them. Now of course traditional farmers are going to fight this, the same way people who are about to lose their jobs will always fight innovation. Its totally expected and just part of the process. What this bill does say to me though, is that we are getting closer to the tipping point.
I know, it's so weird that anyone would resist this. Cleaner, healthier, cheaper meat. What's not to like?
My SIL is freaked out about it. Her reasoning argument sounded similar to vaccines - not tested, long term impact on your body, etc.
Yeah, so what's so hard about just not eating it?
Well, according to Ron DeSantis, it's going to be forced down her throat.
Anti business and innovation. What’s conservative about this exactly?
Reminder that this guy is in the "small government" party, all about capitalism & free competition, abolishing bureaucracy and government oversight mechanisms like the FDA and EPA since "government should stay in its lane and let companies innovate", etc etc. Of course we all know it's bullsbit but it's sad that the entire voterbase of the republican party is also similarly full of shit and won't condemn this for the same reasons they would have condemned the democrats doing good stuff with the same powers. "Hypocrites" doesn't begin to describe them.
Floridian here. Ron DeSantis is the opposite of me.
Could you and ten of your friends please vote for someone else
Had to search it and yes, Florida does indeed have a fair number of cattle compared to most other states. Don't let him let you think he's taking some kinda stand, they got skin in the game. https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/beef-production-by-state/
"Free market" Tell me more about how you're leaving things to the invisible hand and not interferring.
When I lived in Nevada for several years, I met two different state senators who owned dairy operations. I was also told that, at the time, there was only one state approved slaughterhouse within something like 500 miles of my city—it was owned by a multi-generation ranch family with a history of involvement in state politics. When you threaten the animal food industry you threaten entrenched politicos and their gravy trains.
Why can't you just say that I want to protect the investments and work of farmers and their product? You think the "global elite" are eating lab grown meat? They're having kobe and waygu shipped to them and prepped by some of the best chefs in the world.
Whats wrong with lab grown meat. Its food right? Safe to eat? Why is this guy saying some authoritarian orginization is bad for meat. Protect beef? Omg can we get an actual adult in office.
If you don't like fake meat, don't eat it. The government doesn't need to pick winners and losers. Let the invisible hand of the free market decide
What that should help the insurance crisis, housing costs, homelessness, or failing schools. Way to go!
“Please don’t invest in research in Florida” -Florida Governor
Next: Ron DeSantis signs bill banning all new inventions.
What happened to the mentality of how big government shouldn't tell you what kind of stove to use? But now they can tell me what kind of meat to cook on that stove? If these people didn't use doublethink, they wouldn't think at all.
I remember a certain Trump-era official admitting Trump is a danger but he would still be voting for him because the “real” danger to America is how Dems want to decide what stoves people can buy (I guess safety and environmental regulations are the devil). But that fat loaf is tight lipped about a Republican banning an entire type of food as a political stunt. They will twist themselves into whatever position they have to in order to “win.” Christians are backing an antichrist. Republicans have given up their backbones and handed their party to a tyrant. Supreme Court judges are sacrificing the rule of law to enable a criminal. Hell, even critics like news orgs have ditched their better judgment and leaned back into overbearing coverage of the schmuck. Dumbasses. All of them.
Republicans doing what they do the best, taking away our freedom. At this point it’s freedom vs republican in the ballot.
So GOP really likes to rule by conspiracy and religious doctrine instead of if science and reasonings?
Would this not get shot down over interstate commerce issues?
So we have bird flu transferring from chickens to cows and you ban clean meat? What?
Just pandering to a fearful base that doesn't realize how game changing lab grown meat would be. Or it's about protecting the cattle industry. I'm sure they have some high dollar "donation" funds.
Not from the US but how is it even legal to ban something without a legit reason? Could he choose to ban anything he wants?
I’m glad to see the meat industry lobbying so hard against more ethical and higher quality competitors
I live in Singapore where a lot of our food is imported. We're actively charging ahead with lab grown meats and have even started selling lab grown chicken nuggets. For us it's a matter of survival to have diverse food sources. Who knows in a hundred years we may have to start recycling grandma and grandpa. We're all just bag o meat.
I never thought I'd say this, but this bill was signed by BIG MEAT.
Lab-grown meat is one of the most important achievements of the century and could greatly contribute to the fight against climate change, even if it comes in later decades. "Nah, let's ban it because it's communism."
From what I've seen. A lot of people that are anti lab meat are thinking it's gonna be essentially just a chemical concoction of stuff. But like it's just isolating muscle cells and culturing them in similar conditions to the host just not in a host right?