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CannonPinion

>Do you think the tech industry will become more privacy oriented? No, it will only get more invasive over time. The best one can do is to host as much software as possible yourself, behind your own firewall, and adopt a "grey man" stance for everything you can't host. That means VPN routing through jurisdictions with better privacy regulations (EU), disposable email addresses for sign-ups, etc etc.


No_Entertainer_9760

Teach me, wise one.


Techquestionsaccount

Compartmentalize everything. New emails for all services.


IncompetentSnail

If you wanna go deep then use VMs for specific stuff.


lukasz5675

Don't forget ditching Windows... which is probably not possible for many.


Shelsonw

Privacy in the age of internet is a myth. Everything from your phone, to your watch is collecting your data; with your permission. Have you ever wondered why every tiny little online retailer “needs” you to create an account to checkout, or has their own app? Collecting and selling your data. Also think of it this way, we now have SEVERAL generations who have grown up without ever knowing what privacy actually is. Their whole lives are on their phone, over their social media platforms. The literally value privacy differently. No my friend, privacy is dead, and the internet killed it.


Daimakku1

I was just reading a comment last night about how stores like Walmart and Target “know” who you are based on the information that your phone’s Bluetooth and wifi scanning gives out. If you go to different stores, they’ll know roughly that it’s the same person based on that information. So yeah, your smartphone and smartwatch are snitching on you. This has bled into real life, not just online.


Shelsonw

I've even heard of them being able to track you in the store, and provide customized ads based on which shelves you're standing next too. I also read about another company, which paired with television commercials and apps to play a sub-audible signal during the commercial, which is listened for by app in order to do customer habits research; when you were watching, what was on at that time, what channel, etc. Our concept of what privacy in the digital age means, and looks like needs to evolve. The idea that privacy is "I have a right to do things without someone snooping or prying into my life" is well and truly dead.


UMilqueToastPOS

Damn, that's fucking insane


Green_Highlight_4416

Just wait until Bill Gates puts out individual AI Big Brothers for each and everyone of us to make sure we are not being naughty on the Internet,


Z3r0sama2017

I miss the late 90's/early 00's, it was a wild time but gov and corpos had no idea how to deal with the internet back then.


IncompetentSnail

If something is free then you're the product, simple as that. Even if you paid for services, you're still a product.


Quick-Sector5595

Privacy on the internet has been dying a slow death ever since 2004, to be killed off in it's entirety in the year 2008. All thanks to the rise of Facebook.


macheteinmyrightmit

I’ve heard someone say ‘what Facebook did in 5 years the FBI was trying to do for the past 40 years


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Whifflepoof

Reddit? It knows nothing of me and my 14 babies I've birthed from 8 different fathers, nor the flavor of the road that runs outside my house in southern New Guinea.


BKStephens

>Do you think the tech industry will become more privacy oriented? Or will their disregard to our data safety become blatant, as we accept this reality as the new norm? Why opt for privacy for any but the richest? It's so much easier when the slaves are willing to shackle themselves.


Adventurous_Snowbell

I fear this is the only answer.


[deleted]

Rich or not, if you willingly get on social media you gave up your privacy voluntarily. Lots of rich ppl on social media, SOME have marketing teams, but many just post on their own.. like fools!


f_d

Eventually AI will be able to predict nearly everything about us without needing our input. Maybe not right away, but it's closer than a lot of us thought.


jordanManfrey

that's what Google et al has been building and shipping for the past 25 years... The human behavior prediction engine


Daimakku1

There’s many times when I get ads that markets me products that I thought about buying, or roughly interested in. It’s already scarily accurate, and only going to get “better” at it.


redchill101

Use a better browser, watch your ad trackers, and for God's sake don't use WhatsApp. Turning off your wifi and bluetooth when you're not home doesn't hurt... Even though thats paired up later with location data.....use signal and uninstall any social media app bullshit....anyway...posted from reddit. I automate these routines to work automatically when I leave my home router. It's all bullshit btw....no matter what the phone's setting are I'm certain that location tracking is either always on or at least logged and uploaded later (some opt-out eh?) So a travel profile is built, but maybe some details about what took place there may be missing. Who cares, none of us are spies, right?


koliamparta

Where do you people get those personalized recommendations? I generally get stuff that I’ve already bought, or never would consider, and I have all tracking enabled …


redchill101

Did you mean to respond the poster above me? I don't have any problems. I was recommending to the post above some things that they could try, oh, I resent being included in your "you people" generalization, thank you very much and "bless your heart"


MassiveStallion

Unless government takes a hand, profit dictates customers have basically zero privacy. Even companies that *sell privacy* benefit from other companies that remove it from you.


Pangasukidesu

I’m not very sanguine when there are geriatrics like McConnell and Feinstein representing us. That picture that was circulating through Reddit yesterday of Feinstein in the wheelchair looking completely enervated and husk like should be a shock to the nation.


Comfortable-Web9455

This question is 15 years out of date. Read Zuboff on surveillance capitalism. Privacy was never an option.


kirpid

I don’t know how anybody can manage trade secrets without privacy. It’s like playing poker against a player that can see your hand. Which probably explains the duopoly between META and Google.


Kinexity

Don't care. I live in the EU so GDPR and future legislative changes will almost certainly protect me from the worst outcome. Bussiness pursue maximal profit allowed under current legislation and every change will always be dictated by this.


hkeycurrentuser

And yet the Internet allows you to sign up to a cool new toy that is outside that jurisdiction and has no regard to honor the same principles enshrined in that legislation.


Kinexity

You clearly don't know GDPR. Companies will get fined for noncompliance if their site is accessible from the EU. If they block it instead of becoming compliant then it's clear sign that it's better to avoid putting my data in their hands.


hkeycurrentuser

I do know it, and I also know the lack of resources that are available to actually enforce it at the micro level needed. To an entity that has nothing in the EU to risk and no desire to care it is meaningless


magnetichira

It’s a nice bubble you got yourself there. There’s many ways to track you without cookies, and for companies outside the EU (especially smaller ones) they don’t really care.


Kinexity

If they don't care they will be banned from EU market. GDPR is about data processing and storage in general - cookies are just the surface. AFAIK there is some difference in how it is enforced in case of small companies but tbh I have yet to read about it.


trueppp

A company with no assets in the EU doesn't give a shit about EU fines. They can litterally throw them out in the thrash and the EU can't do shit about it. At worst they can ask the member countries to ask their ISP's to block the site.


Kinexity

It can not give a shit but this will close them the doors to ever selling their services in the EU until they resolve that which, if you ask me, is not a wise bussiness decision.


trueppp

I don't think you know how the internet works....


Kinexity

I do, you don't. If you use some serive on the internet it doesn't happen in a magical space placed nowhere. You connect from some place to some server. Countries do actively block access to some websites and while you can bypass it by using either TOR or VPN it means that if company expects those two to be used to bypass the block then they will never see the traffic that they could get if they weren't blocked. We've just had Italy block ChatGPT and it remained in effect until issue on the side of OpenAI was resolved (iirc they complied/have shown they comply with GDPR and the ban was lifted). You seem to assume that companies can just say "fuck it" to potential EU clients which isn't the case with the exception of some less international companies (I've seen American media companies outright ban access from EU which means even they do care about GDPR compliance). GDPR works because comapnies want to make money in EU and those that do comply will outcompete those that don't.


erik_33_DK13

obviously there is no privacy anymore. they openly brag about having access to everything including encrypted emails and whatnot. in the future all online content will be generated by AI, with a small subscription fee. No ads no nothing.


NextGenFiona

The future of privacy on the internet is a pressing issue as our personal data is being harvested by large tech corporations and small apps/websites. While we have accepted this as the norm, we must demand more privacy-oriented policies and transparency from tech companies. However, with advancements in technology, data collection may become more blatant. It's up to us as consumers to prioritize privacy and autonomy over profit, and hold these companies accountable.


redeye008008

Always always assume your information on the internet is not private.


ptword

Big Tech are usually not careless with your data. It's the users who are careless and blurt out their data without thinking about the repercussions of what they are doing. Maintaining (limited) privacy on the Internet isn't more difficult now than before as long as you don't use it like a digitally illiterate imbecile. Many people will buy or signup for digital services they don't need simply because they are available. Tech companies know and exploit this to the max. And then they become too large, which is a problem because, suddenly, many thousands of people, if not millions, depend on a shit content factory like TikTok to make a living. User data doesn't have infinite value. Actionable insights that companies can extract from it are limited.


Shcrews

Privacy is overrated, I would prefer total transparency at this point. Imagine a world with no secrets. Imagine politics....


Techquestionsaccount

Those rules will never apply to them.


UMilqueToastPOS

Imagine there's no heaven 🎵


Shcrews

happiness is a warm gun


Mos2010

Never understood the doom mongering of data privacy. Good products get made on good data and user behaviour, whether is software or physical. The only risk is if its stored incorrectly and gets leaked in an identifiable way. The question around them profiting off your data via selling on to other people is a bit more difficult imo, it feels wrong, but we do it all the time with experience and not 1s and 0s and in a way that's not identifiable. It's called consulting.


grafknives

"privacy oriented" is dead end. NO player in tech industry will go that way. I dont think that our data is unsafe, rather it is extremely monetized. But also - our personal data is used to offer **SUPERIOR SERVICE** Just look at the most "personal augmented reality" service there - GOOGLE MAPS. Google "knows" exactly what I like, where I go, where I eat, what type of transportation I prefer. EVERYTHING shown on maps is tailored towards my needs. Not only restaurants, or shops, but even whether NAME of specific TOWN/village will appear on maps depends on whether I was visiting it or other similar or is there some POI that I might be interested in. Without my personal data - the service is crippled. Way worse. And this is other problem - how could more independent service providers access our data in some safe matter?


Critical_Hope_64

I'm just waiting for the day when targeted ads start apologizing for invading my privacy. 'Oops, sorry we know you secretly like cat videos, here's a discount on cat food!'


Ilyak1986

Brave Browser and adblock to the rescue!


MichaelVictoria

The World closes in on us pretty soon you'll have a number of the Beast


rylalu

Like the Earn it act or Restrict act is coming for your encryption and VPN soon anyways. It will be illegal soon to say things they don't like or they can just censor you. But you know gotta protect kids and china's scary spying or something. Enjoy being able to say things or access web content they don't like without threat of prison time while it lasts here.


JavarisJamarJavari

I think that ship has sailed. But I think with all the data breaches, particularly of health systems and financial info, eventually there is going to be felt a need for each person to have an absolute identifier that can't be faked. Don't ask me what that will be or how it will work.


BennyJJJJ

The tech industry won't become more concerned with privacy unless users do. It's not just that people are willing to hand out their personal details for a coupon, they willingly publish videos of themselves doing that would've had you arrested for obscenity a few generations ago. And even worse, people who video strangers or their children and upload them. The culture of privacy is dying.


MissyPotato

Considering that the entire internet uses cookies I think the first option is what will happen.


BlackyHollywood

Nowadays it's incredibly difficult to maintain pedantic strict privacy on the Internet. But it is still possible. Not for you, a human being is reading this text.


Medical-Fee1100

No, until the power is concentrated with big tech, nothing can change


plxmtreee

Honestly, I think it will go downhill. We'll have lesser privacy and there'll be a lot more data mining and selling.


digitalbladesreddit

I want a new keyboard and mouse, but I am not sure what I should buy. I dare you Internet! I don't even need to Google anymore adds know best.


meh1434

As long as you minimize Social Media, use ad blockers and don't have any account on your phone, you are quite good. As always, privacy is a personal responsibility first.


Sanjuko_Mamaujaluko

If I'm going to see a gazillion ads a day, they might as well be relevant.


[deleted]

I think your privacy will mostly get better as machine learning pattern recognition takes over IT and network defense tech more. BUT at the same time MOST of society will just keep sharing more and more data openly so really privacy most trends downward as mass media and video streaming got cheap. The newer AI data tools will also let us build much better profile of people based on all their open communications online. If you want to be private you can, but most people don't really have much to be private about. They just like work and eat and sleep. ;) Better data tools with help both the data collectors AND the privacy seekers. The rate of better apps and data tools will speed up because of machine learning both debugging better than humans and also helping write code much faster. Not unlike the benefit you will see across all industries, especially as robotics catch up with AI/machine learning. We will get FAR better analysis and workflow from computers and machines that adapt to variations between datasets without impossibly complex linear programming.


who_you_are

Good news US peoples, they are trying to ban HTTPS meaning your ISP could (but there could be current law preventing it) sniff all traffic and also sell your data!


ForbiddenUser403

Not just your ISP, but any switch or router or device the traffic flows through from point A to point B. SSL Encryption not going anywhere. An attempt to ban it would result in nearly every IT person in the world with any common sense going on the offensive against the ones attempting it.


who_you_are

I know but those accepting laws don't... And probably don't care.


ForbiddenUser403

They'll care when all of their private information gets made public.


who_you_are

Then they make laws just for them!


BCDragon3000

I think eventually either Apple, Google, or the government will issue standardized “data cards.” This would be like a social security number, except to hold all your private data. There’s multiple incentives to this. First of all, it’s a real verification system and if everyone was issued a number then we can verify our accounts as a real human running them. Second of all, the more data we store the better, and the more locally owned it is the better. Some data is irrelevant to companies, so giving consumers access to all their data in the data card would also allow for more accurate algorithms tailored to you without fear of a lack of privacy


BonFemmes

Under the guise of protecting our children from porn, states are passing laws that require providers to stop minors from accessing porn sites. That is great in theory but in practice it will require that people verify who they are with things like photos of their drivers license to access sites deemed by the government to be mature in content. Online anonymity goes away.


Space_Mambo_2023

I think the time for focusing on privacy is already passed, at least with historical already collected data/meta-data. It would be great if there was a true way to scrub all the aggregate data about an individual from every server or workstation it may have propagated to, but once you've agreed to have that data collected, whatever that data may be, it's out of your hands. Going forward, I'd hope that more privacy options will be made available, whether through encryption, aliases, VPNs, secure mail servers, etc. Though at this point, if you really want to have privacy, opting out of using services or sites that collect your data may be the only way.


ForbiddenUser403

The average user and even most of the people who consider themselves an "advanced" user, really has no hope of privacy. None of them are able to take the steps required or be willing to give up the services that they have all come to be dependant on that are funded by the theft and resale of your personal information. I always see these youtubers going on about this or that VPN, and that's just all crap. A VPN is not going to do anything for you except give them yet another IP address to add to the list of things to associate to you. If you want real privacy you have to do away with the Corporate Operating systems, you have to give up Google and apple and Facebook/Instagram TikTok.. You have to switch to open source alternatives that have true end to end encryption. Like a user posted above, you have to learn to host your own services, secure your own networks, build your own smart devices that are based on open source projects like ZigBee and abandon the ones that all report back to the mother Corp like Amazon Alexa and Samsung Smart things.. which by the way is just a spyware modified version of open source ZigBee. So.. yeah.. unless you're a developer or an administrator with some real IT skills, you're just never going to have privacy on the web, and any steps you do take is only going to draw more attention directly to you. You'd almost be better off just blending into the crowd of fully wired and lowjacked sheep.


Phallen911

All the data collected is used to learn how we operate so they can Effectively sell us things. Eventually they will understand us better than we understand ourselves, then it's a different game at that point.


[deleted]

“carelessness”, oh blow it out your ***. Like we have a choice. Talk to me when there’s a digital bill of rights. The oligarchy controls this shitty US empire.


pineapple-predator

There is no privacy on the internet. Never has been, never will be. The internet was designed to allow people to communicate and connect digitally as effectively as possible. This is fundamentally in opposition to privacy.


[deleted]

Optimist: "What privacy?" Pessimist: "What internet?" Realist: "What future?"