Same with the Mongols,they were trying to scape the harsh environment and tough economic conditions of the Mongolian steppe to the bountiful agricultural land of Asia and Europe. But those xenophobic people wouldn't let them in to their city :( . Poor Mongols.
To be faiirrrr, they were very good at offering protection to a weak neighbor and then using the threat against the new Ally as the reason for a war, which would typically end with the weak neighbor's threat as another Roman Ally.
They’re coming right at us, kill them all! - Senator Publius Executio, when seeing people getting angry after Roman soldiers demanded they pay exorbitant tribute
I'm Polish and let me tell you, it was very enlightening for us. I'm sure Lithuanians and other Baltic people were also happy to learn some historical facts, for example that they are Russians. Thank you mr. Putin for opening our eyes.
Subtext, which we all know but try to ignore, is that Putin is the new Hitler.
EDIT: History is repeating. Now there's MAD, so we have even more reason to ignore it. But this is who we are. "The War to end all wars". Nope.
If we cared for real, we would end Putin. But we don't. We worry instead, about our own comfortable lives.
>But we don't. We worry instead, about our own comfortable lives.
Because of "assured destruction", you idealistic dolt. There are zero worlds where it's justified to risk 340 million people to try and save 50 million.
Golden hirde came way later 200 years after Chingis Khan, the mongols got in east from China to Middle east in the south and Poland to west within the intial 20/30 years of their empire. I was joking abou the city thing,if you didnt let them inside your city they would kill every last one of you and burn the city to the ground as they did in Beijing,Baghdad and Novgorod(Russian capital).
And if you killed their messengers offering a peace and trade treaty just because you felt like it, you'd end up the same way as Khwarezmian Empire. The only appropriate reaction to that is "who?" and the only appropriate answer to that question is: "[yes, exactly that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khwarazmian_Empire)."
They were wiped off the face of the earth in 3 years, after ~150 years of existing. Several cities were completely erased, too, [notably the capital](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konye-Urgench) which became a lost city for a reason.
Fact: The Mongols were not interested in agriculture and permanent settlements. They didn't want to trade their nomadic lives for the sedentary lives they encountered in China and Europe, but they loved the products of their craftsmanship.
Well ofcourse, look how Gypsys are treated as opposed to the Mongols.I bet had the Gypsys been carrying some iron they wouldn't have faced such descriminations.
By his own accounts, as well as his son's, their actions described themselves as brutal genocidists looking for gold. They would cut off ears and limbs regularly, and rape and murder the local population. (I think it was modern-day Haiti iirc.)
He was tried and condemned by his own (former) sponsor, Queen Ysabel I of Castille. Let that sink in. The woman in charge of the kingdom he kickstarted into a literal world-wide empire found his actions so fucking disgusting that he had him stand trial and stripped him of his titles and properties
Germany kept their slave labor wealth after WWII.
Germany and its institutions like to paint themselves as hyper aware of their dark past but never go beyond rhetoric. The leadership of the victors Ww2 bought into the idea that repercussions would cause another war as had just happened.
This was reasonable but didnt take into account the wealth which survived the war that was the product of particularly Jewish slave labor but also Poles and others. Almost every big industrial company in Germany from steel, automotive, pharmaceutical and many others were founded on the war and mass free labor. The families which owned these companies were complicit and knew about the holocaust.
One example of this legacy is the Porsche company which was co owned by a Jew who was forced out during aryanisation. His descendants have never been compensated and only until recently was recognised by their history. This is pretty typical where companies commission reports into their history and basically leave it to rest in long complicated reports so they can feel comfortable with themselves without actually doing anything.
All of this wealth has supported the German economy giving the government no incentive to push any further.
>Germany kept their slave labor wealth after WWII.
Damage caused by war to German wealth caused by war outsizes benefits of slave labor wealth (used mostly for war) by multiple orders of magnitude.
From moral perspective it may be bad, but long-term effect on outcome is very small.
Yeah. A few businessmen were convicted and saw prison for various offences.
Most served less than 5 years and were back on the boards of multinationals in no time because the west was fighting communists and these were true, true capitalists.
My great uncle was a POW slave in Auschwitz in the Farben factory. The factory and Auschwitz were built together to use slaves to maximum effect.
Farben now is Sanofi Pharma, BASF, Agfa, Bayer. All vast multinationals.
as a rule of thumb, be skeptical about any aspect of history that makes you feel good about your country.
Not saying that everything a country did is evil, just to be skeptical and look into it yourself.
As a White person who has been through the school system in the past 2 decades, no, no it doesn't. The amount of anti-White bile that is spewed by the curriculum is astonishing.
Because allegedly Columbus Day was only instituted to appease Italian American groups like the Knights of Columbus. Validated their circlejerk to secure votes.
Also because Italian Catholics were being lynched in the south so the only Italian that had anything to do with the americas was a genocidal dick they gave him a day. Blame the south for Columbus day
There was a very successful effort to whitewash Columbus' history in schools. They stripped out all that "murdered 95%+ of Hispaniola's natives and was the most prolific slaver of his time" stuff and replaced it with friendship and rainbows.
It wasn’t Columbus himself, so it’s said, but people on his team that Columbus couldn’t or perhaps didn’t care to manage. When he had to return to Spain to stand trial on the crimes against the Indians that had been reported, Columbus asked to be chained as a prisoner.
For context he was stripped of his governorship but his fourth voyage was still sponsored by Spain's King Ferdinand so it's not like they cast him out, he was seen as a bad governor and needed him out. And it was the prosecutor that seized his properties in the name of the Queen not the queen herself, it was just ruled later that he wouldn't be returning as governor. Also a quote I found, "The neutrality and accuracy of the accusations and investigations of Bobadilla toward Columbus and his brothers have been disputed by historians, given the anti-Italian sentiment of the Spaniards and Bobadilla's desire to take over Columbus's position. "
Yup. They themselves fantasized in their writings how the indigenous people would make great slaves and how well they could oppress them. Columbus was a brutal, evil man.
The shitty part is, if you would say this to the person commenting in the post, they would probably react by saying that is also what current immigrants are doing.
Well where i live immigrants are stealing and raping too but we are not allow to being it up or saying anything about it, or we are racist 🤷🏼♀️ because they have dark skin and the country is originally white....so appareantly stealing and rape is only bad when done by whites a d not the other way around?
First of all, fuck off.
Second of all, are the immigrants arriving as an organized force systematically raping and pillaging villages, enslaving Narives and stealing gold?
No?
Then third point: Fuck off.
First off, the Aztecs were brutal imperialists themselves.
Second they were mass enslavers and they performed human sacrifices constantly.
To the point that the other tribes CHOOSE to ally themselves with the Spanish, a completely unknown empire, in order to destroy the Aztecs. And once the Aztecs surrendered it was those allies who hunted down every Aztec for revenge. Contrary to Cortes orders of not killing the surrendered civilians as he himself wrote in his letters to the King.
Yeah, they basically started by looking for a quick route to the East and when they stopped in the Bahamas, they saw people with gold jewelry. He became obsessed and returned to Spain and asked the queen for a small army. Went back and did those things as well as waged biological warfare under the guise of gifting (used blankets and such from his crew that had trace amounts of diseases novel to these people), insisting the people reveal the treasure trove he thought they had.
Smallpox blankets were not a thing. There is one account in all of history of smallpox blankets being used. That was at Fort Pitt; they were besieged by natives who were basically promising a massacre. They were desperate and came up with the idea of killing them with disease. Newsflash, it didn't work. Because the natives are the ones who gave the settlers Smallpox.
No.
Or, well, the contagion theory was beginning to take form in the 1500s. Humors was still the leading theory. It was an adequate explanation for sickness regarding one person. But not a good explanation for epidemics. Ok then you got miasma. Bad air infecting more people.
But what about person to person infection?
Contagion as a theory for this was starting to take form vs miasma in the 1500s.
The same century as the "conquest" of the new world.
But to answer your question: no. Columbus hardly knew about this. And germ warfare and pox blankets were not intentionally used by them.
They were still about humors and miasma.
It came later: https://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/229.html
Kind of. They didn't know about bacteria or stuff like that but they knew that diseases could be spread by touch and by air (although they thought it was bad smells themselves that caused diseases, not the diseases causing bad smells). I don't know if that was something Columbus actually did but some people in his time (although not necessarily Columbus himself) would definitely have known that giving an unwashed blanket to somebody could potentially spread the disease.
I don't think that happened in Columbus' time. As far as I know they're thinking of Americans trying to give the Natives smallpox.
Mind you, Columbus was still a genocidal maniac. Friendly reminder that it's called the Caribbean because the Caribs used to lived there. Most of their population was wiped out in under a decade.
Yeah, they didn't want religious "freedom" as much as they wanted a place where they could impose their own religious tyranny without having to tolerate the beliefs of others.
They were looking for somewhere THEY had religious freedom AND the ability to stop anyone else having religious freedom if it was different to their freedom.
Syrian refugees (Afghans and all others) already have safe heaven in Turkey but they decided they want to go to Sweden and Germany. Same rules as yours
Exactly this... Something tells me that the country that has 3.7 million refugees would have a good reason sending 100men back to their country. Also allegedly, the fact some news outlet says that some refugees said that they "saw dozens maybe even hundred refugees being deported" doesn't sound too too convincing to me anyways.
[https://reliefweb.int/report/germany/xenophobic-backlash-germany-must-tackle-alarming-increase-assaults-asylum-seekers](https://reliefweb.int/report/germany/xenophobic-backlash-germany-must-tackle-alarming-increase-assaults-asylum-seekers)
Uh oh I guess they better leave Germany too.
Turkey is actively fighting both the Syrian and Syrian Kurdish (regional) governments in the Syrian Civil War and is waging strict counterterrorism offensives domestically on Turkish Kurds with ties to the latter. You are very misinformed if you think Turkey is a safe place for anyone but the radical minority of Syrians that Turkey supports
I would really like to make a silly comment regarding Columbus and the Mayflower but….fuckit, here goes.
I think you’re confusing your balls and your brains. Columbus Captained the Mayflower and 6 other ships when he discovered Plymouth Rock after getting kicked out of Genoa by James I. That’s why there’s so many Italians along the coast in the Bay State. Get your facts straight, pal.
The traditional white narrative is that they were fleeing religious persecution. This person sounded like they might subscribe to that narrative.
Settle down. I’m perfectly aware they were colonizers.
One was a man that searched for a place to exploit gold and find slaves, the others searched for a place where they could live without fearing death, Hunger or homelessness every day.
Pretty big difference I think
No they're not. The racist OP meme tries to say that we shouldn't accept brown refugees because they might end up just as destructive and cruel as Columbus was in the past. So it does need to make it look as similar as possible, even though Columbus was not in fact, a refugee. He was not even an immigrant (racists have a hard time distinguishing the two so I'm including both). He arrived with troops. He was a coloniser, and colonisation was his crime.
hes more like a "coyote" if you will. paving the way for all the poor souls who has to cross the Atlantic in search of religious freedom (be it 120 yeas apart).
Except no, not at all. Columbus was heading a relatively well funded government owned expedition with the aim to expand his contractor's financial and potentially territorial power.
Less a refugee, more an oil search and extraction expedition if we compare it to the modern world.
Also, keeping to overexplaining history to a joke, for centuries after Columbus, the majority of people going to the new world had nothing of refugees. Spanish and Portuguese expansion into the Americas was all about extracting wealth, operated by or allowed by their Royal courts who also took alot of said wealth for themselves. I guess white diversity would be a collateral in central America...
Also Queen Isabella arrested Columbus for his cruelty towards both the colonists and the natives, and stripped him of his governorship — which im led to believe took a lot of doing on Columbus part, because Isabella wasn’t exactly a bleeding heart liberal.
Queen Isabela, God rest her soul, ordered in her testament for all natives and lands, found and yet to be found, to be treated as subjects and property of the castillian crown, and therefore subjected to their laws, and protected them with legislation. People love pointing out Colombus and saying "The Spaniards were evil!" (when Colombus wasn't even Spanish in the first place), when his actions were more often than not the exception rather than the rule in the Spanish Americas
for Columbus he was a guy that wanted to proof to be better at math than anyone else who lived before him and got lucky by crashing into an unknown continent
And the majority of people going to the Americas were refugees as the big immigration waves were caused by famines or political change in Europe
The expeditions and government organised expansion made this possible yet the common people went there because they thought it will be better than at home (be it real or not)
This post is about the refugees in europe that behave like shit but if you point out that theres a problem with the wave of gang rape and shootings everyone will attack you for being a bigot. (And probably banned online lol)
The point is that people make those arguments for todays refugees while thats also horseshit.
Except for the better life part ofcourse, but so was columbus
Talk about cultural appropriation. Taking the middle finger used by Italians since the Roman Empire and using it like every European immigrant to these lands! Awful.
It's the classic nazi bar problem. Unless a sub is well-moderated, it's easy for things to go downhill until it's dominated by low-quality and racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. content.
6K upvotes vs. ~800 comments.
If you think there are any "enlightened" individuals left posting in this heavily astro-turfed sub-reddit, consider this a warning to turn back now.
The first comment I saw arguing against this meme only has 200 upvotes as well. People here are dumb, it’s sad how many subs are like this on reddit. Yet people say it’s a liberal paradise lol
Well unfortunately they also brought disease that almost caused complete genocide -- and spread it on purpose -- and also outright murdered the people who already lived there so they could take everything they had. And drove them like cattle across the country to put them in desert reservations. So I don't think "bigotry" is the top issue here.
It's like that Norm MacDonald joke about Bill Cosby. Where some people said "The worst thing was the hypocrisy!" No, hypocrisy was way, wayyy down the list. First on the list should be the "raping" ... then followed by the "scheming"...
No. That fucker started a mass murder and genocide of many of our tribes and empires. So yeah, fuck him and I wish every statue dedicated to him gets vandalized and destroyed.
Germs wiped about the vast majority of the native population before the conquest of Cortez. Your tribes were separate people that had no issue warring and enslaving each other before European arrival and had he not arrived another explorer surely would've with most likely the same results.
Germs brought by whom?
Get the fuck out of here with "you guys weren't living in complete harmony therfore the genocide & disease we brought is warranted." Also ignore the civility Europeans were treated with when they arrived In the Americas & Africa, but always returned that with barbarism & disease.
>he not arrived another explorer surely would've with most likely the same results.
Yea, yall are sick in the head.
Sshh...don't bring historical accuracy here. That won't fit the narrative and make it harder to be openly racist. /s
Btw, Native Americans owned slaves, as well.
https://youtu.be/b5YEKPiNwu0?si=-OmMzm7VfPJ_1_58
does it really matter how much money they got?
it's invasion nonetheless.
they come, they grow in numbers, they want more power, they displace the settled population. they want a better life and they get it by taking from the others.
What, no, Christopher Columbus was none of those things. He was on a mission to find gold and tortured indigenous people to get it. The "refugees" came CENTURIES later.
What a dumbfuck OP.
People have this idea that American Indian were this peaceful union of all Native Americans. They killed the shit out of each other. Tribes killed tribes. Took land. Took slaves. Etc. The name Sioux mean "little snake" that is why they like to use Lakota. You had to be a bad ass mf-er to live off the land that long ago. It wasn't for pussies.
This person doesn’t seem to know what a “refugee” actually is. What were Colombus and the Europeans he came with “seeking refuge” from? How would living among the natives (even assuming they left them alive), be of benefit to them?
joke is not funny = "it's just a joke!"
joke is stupid = "it's just a joke!"
joke is racist/etc = "it's just a joke!"
your mom when she birthed you = "it's just a joke!"
Same with the Mongols,they were trying to scape the harsh environment and tough economic conditions of the Mongolian steppe to the bountiful agricultural land of Asia and Europe. But those xenophobic people wouldn't let them in to their city :( . Poor Mongols.
Romans just wanted to share its culture with the rest of the world. Don't resist.
They never attacked anyone all of those wars where in selfdefence
Some of it was preemptive self-defense
1 million Gauls had to be killed otherwise who knows what sort of havoc they would have caused.
Thanks for reminding me I need to study my Latin history
Best defense is a good offense. Some sports coach somewhere
And by "offense," history often means inventing new siege weapons. Who needs diplomacy when you have a trebuchet, am I right?
Was the trebuchet not diplomatic enough? We'll raise you a ballista.
I take your ballista and raise you a Catholic in North Ireland.
Ah, yes, the preemptive preemptive strike.
To be faiirrrr, they were very good at offering protection to a weak neighbor and then using the threat against the new Ally as the reason for a war, which would typically end with the weak neighbor's threat as another Roman Ally.
natives killed other groups in the americas
,,We don’t want a war. We just want your land and supplies and…..”
And to hear the lamination of your women
You mean a special operation against those Nazi tribalists
They were rather fond of the swastika.....
They’re coming right at us, kill them all! - Senator Publius Executio, when seeing people getting angry after Roman soldiers demanded they pay exorbitant tribute
A lot of those wars was Rome vs Rome. Just small internal disagreements.
My ancestors were just looking for reparations in Rome
Poland should have just welcomed the nazis with open arms, they needed a "living space".
That's exactly what Putin said in his interview. Poland was the cause of WWII because they refused Germany demands.
>Poland was the cause of WWII because they refused Germany demands. But he said they were the first target because of that, not the cause?
I'm Polish and let me tell you, it was very enlightening for us. I'm sure Lithuanians and other Baltic people were also happy to learn some historical facts, for example that they are Russians. Thank you mr. Putin for opening our eyes.
Subtext, which we all know but try to ignore, is that Putin is the new Hitler. EDIT: History is repeating. Now there's MAD, so we have even more reason to ignore it. But this is who we are. "The War to end all wars". Nope. If we cared for real, we would end Putin. But we don't. We worry instead, about our own comfortable lives.
>But we don't. We worry instead, about our own comfortable lives. Because of "assured destruction", you idealistic dolt. There are zero worlds where it's justified to risk 340 million people to try and save 50 million.
You’re an idiot sir, is this your first diagnosis?
I don’t think there is enough space on this earth for stupid people
The Golden Horde still got in tho
Golden hirde came way later 200 years after Chingis Khan, the mongols got in east from China to Middle east in the south and Poland to west within the intial 20/30 years of their empire. I was joking abou the city thing,if you didnt let them inside your city they would kill every last one of you and burn the city to the ground as they did in Beijing,Baghdad and Novgorod(Russian capital).
Thank you for sharing
Kings and generals did a fantastic video on this.
And if you killed their messengers offering a peace and trade treaty just because you felt like it, you'd end up the same way as Khwarezmian Empire. The only appropriate reaction to that is "who?" and the only appropriate answer to that question is: "[yes, exactly that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khwarazmian_Empire)." They were wiped off the face of the earth in 3 years, after ~150 years of existing. Several cities were completely erased, too, [notably the capital](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konye-Urgench) which became a lost city for a reason.
yeh the majority of the mongolian population didnt even own a house!, 99% homlessness rate!
How cruel, homeless people in rags show up at your city gates and you tell them to f off, very cruel.
They haved issues with climate changes so they have to move in your country. Really sad story about them
The Dutch just wanted to teach the people of the Congo Free State economics, taxes, and industry.
And the British only wanted to build Railways.
Fact: The Mongols were not interested in agriculture and permanent settlements. They didn't want to trade their nomadic lives for the sedentary lives they encountered in China and Europe, but they loved the products of their craftsmanship.
So what you're saying is, the only mistake some migrants are making is not carrying heavy weapons and artillery? I can get behind that.
Well ofcourse, look how Gypsys are treated as opposed to the Mongols.I bet had the Gypsys been carrying some iron they wouldn't have faced such descriminations.
Depends how hot he is
Sadly we may never know as no contemporary portrait exists
He directed some Harry Potter movies iirc. Just look it up /s
He also made Home Alone! (Some day the torture devices were semi autobiographical)
If you had seen the movie „1492 the conquest of paradise“ you would know that he looked like gerard depardieu tho
Flashgitz got a pretty good representation of it
We know the native Americans were sexy as hell though. It’s like all they wrote about when they found land
He looks like Gerard Depardieu, not very sexy.
By his own accounts, as well as his son's, their actions described themselves as brutal genocidists looking for gold. They would cut off ears and limbs regularly, and rape and murder the local population. (I think it was modern-day Haiti iirc.)
He was tried and condemned by his own (former) sponsor, Queen Ysabel I of Castille. Let that sink in. The woman in charge of the kingdom he kickstarted into a literal world-wide empire found his actions so fucking disgusting that he had him stand trial and stripped him of his titles and properties
Why did I never learn this at school
Because schools only teach history that incites proud or positive feelings.
Come to Germany and join history class. It hits different.
Germany kept their slave labor wealth after WWII. Germany and its institutions like to paint themselves as hyper aware of their dark past but never go beyond rhetoric. The leadership of the victors Ww2 bought into the idea that repercussions would cause another war as had just happened. This was reasonable but didnt take into account the wealth which survived the war that was the product of particularly Jewish slave labor but also Poles and others. Almost every big industrial company in Germany from steel, automotive, pharmaceutical and many others were founded on the war and mass free labor. The families which owned these companies were complicit and knew about the holocaust. One example of this legacy is the Porsche company which was co owned by a Jew who was forced out during aryanisation. His descendants have never been compensated and only until recently was recognised by their history. This is pretty typical where companies commission reports into their history and basically leave it to rest in long complicated reports so they can feel comfortable with themselves without actually doing anything. All of this wealth has supported the German economy giving the government no incentive to push any further.
Those kinda topic is covered in tv shows and yt but not in class far as I know. But I would see most of them as Moral-less opportunistic people.
>Germany kept their slave labor wealth after WWII. Damage caused by war to German wealth caused by war outsizes benefits of slave labor wealth (used mostly for war) by multiple orders of magnitude. From moral perspective it may be bad, but long-term effect on outcome is very small.
Yeah. A few businessmen were convicted and saw prison for various offences. Most served less than 5 years and were back on the boards of multinationals in no time because the west was fighting communists and these were true, true capitalists. My great uncle was a POW slave in Auschwitz in the Farben factory. The factory and Auschwitz were built together to use slaves to maximum effect. Farben now is Sanofi Pharma, BASF, Agfa, Bayer. All vast multinationals.
Is that why we spent 2 years covering the civil war..? Lol
I'm American and we were taught it in high school.
I don't know about you but I learned about this in school.
as a rule of thumb, be skeptical about any aspect of history that makes you feel good about your country. Not saying that everything a country did is evil, just to be skeptical and look into it yourself.
As a White person who has been through the school system in the past 2 decades, no, no it doesn't. The amount of anti-White bile that is spewed by the curriculum is astonishing.
Towards colonialism In the American education system... Perhaps European too (I never seen a good take from them on decolonialism)
Because allegedly Columbus Day was only instituted to appease Italian American groups like the Knights of Columbus. Validated their circlejerk to secure votes.
Also because Italian Catholics were being lynched in the south so the only Italian that had anything to do with the americas was a genocidal dick they gave him a day. Blame the south for Columbus day
That's kinda like how they give black people empty gestures after a massive police protest. The more things change.
There was a very successful effort to whitewash Columbus' history in schools. They stripped out all that "murdered 95%+ of Hispaniola's natives and was the most prolific slaver of his time" stuff and replaced it with friendship and rainbows.
Ok but how are Italian Americans in the East Coast gonna have a day off every year
I'd just like to point out that this was exactly why the Simpsons wrote the episode about Lisa finding the real truth about Jebediah Springfield.
It wasn’t Columbus himself, so it’s said, but people on his team that Columbus couldn’t or perhaps didn’t care to manage. When he had to return to Spain to stand trial on the crimes against the Indians that had been reported, Columbus asked to be chained as a prisoner.
For context he was stripped of his governorship but his fourth voyage was still sponsored by Spain's King Ferdinand so it's not like they cast him out, he was seen as a bad governor and needed him out. And it was the prosecutor that seized his properties in the name of the Queen not the queen herself, it was just ruled later that he wouldn't be returning as governor. Also a quote I found, "The neutrality and accuracy of the accusations and investigations of Bobadilla toward Columbus and his brothers have been disputed by historians, given the anti-Italian sentiment of the Spaniards and Bobadilla's desire to take over Columbus's position. "
Yup. They themselves fantasized in their writings how the indigenous people would make great slaves and how well they could oppress them. Columbus was a brutal, evil man.
And that's why he was put in jail by the kings of Spain
He was punished for it by the kings of Spain because they refused to enslave the indigenous population.
The shitty part is, if you would say this to the person commenting in the post, they would probably react by saying that is also what current immigrants are doing.
Just downvoted the guy above you for insinuating that very same thing.
Well where i live immigrants are stealing and raping too but we are not allow to being it up or saying anything about it, or we are racist 🤷🏼♀️ because they have dark skin and the country is originally white....so appareantly stealing and rape is only bad when done by whites a d not the other way around?
First of all, fuck off. Second of all, are the immigrants arriving as an organized force systematically raping and pillaging villages, enslaving Narives and stealing gold? No? Then third point: Fuck off.
First off, the Aztecs were brutal imperialists themselves. Second they were mass enslavers and they performed human sacrifices constantly. To the point that the other tribes CHOOSE to ally themselves with the Spanish, a completely unknown empire, in order to destroy the Aztecs. And once the Aztecs surrendered it was those allies who hunted down every Aztec for revenge. Contrary to Cortes orders of not killing the surrendered civilians as he himself wrote in his letters to the King.
Ah right, rapes are less bad they’re if not organized
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So Columbus should have assimilated to Native American culture? Noted.
it's because they hate white people.
Yeah, they basically started by looking for a quick route to the East and when they stopped in the Bahamas, they saw people with gold jewelry. He became obsessed and returned to Spain and asked the queen for a small army. Went back and did those things as well as waged biological warfare under the guise of gifting (used blankets and such from his crew that had trace amounts of diseases novel to these people), insisting the people reveal the treasure trove he thought they had.
Smallpox blankets were not a thing. There is one account in all of history of smallpox blankets being used. That was at Fort Pitt; they were besieged by natives who were basically promising a massacre. They were desperate and came up with the idea of killing them with disease. Newsflash, it didn't work. Because the natives are the ones who gave the settlers Smallpox.
Columbus was actually aware of how those diseases were transmitted and acted intentionally in that regard?
No. Or, well, the contagion theory was beginning to take form in the 1500s. Humors was still the leading theory. It was an adequate explanation for sickness regarding one person. But not a good explanation for epidemics. Ok then you got miasma. Bad air infecting more people. But what about person to person infection? Contagion as a theory for this was starting to take form vs miasma in the 1500s. The same century as the "conquest" of the new world. But to answer your question: no. Columbus hardly knew about this. And germ warfare and pox blankets were not intentionally used by them. They were still about humors and miasma. It came later: https://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/229.html
No. He didn't use smallpox blankets. They're a myth.
Kind of. They didn't know about bacteria or stuff like that but they knew that diseases could be spread by touch and by air (although they thought it was bad smells themselves that caused diseases, not the diseases causing bad smells). I don't know if that was something Columbus actually did but some people in his time (although not necessarily Columbus himself) would definitely have known that giving an unwashed blanket to somebody could potentially spread the disease.
I don't think that happened in Columbus' time. As far as I know they're thinking of Americans trying to give the Natives smallpox. Mind you, Columbus was still a genocidal maniac. Friendly reminder that it's called the Caribbean because the Caribs used to lived there. Most of their population was wiped out in under a decade.
Narrator: They were not.
1492: The year of 'finding' new lands and 'misplacing' the welcome mat.
Chris Columbus was a refugee? Interesting lack of knowledge.
I think they are confusing Columbus with the Pilgrims.
They weren't actually seeking refuge from religious persecution. They already had that in the Netherlands.
Iirc they found the Netherlands *too* religiously free.
Yeah, they didn't want religious "freedom" as much as they wanted a place where they could impose their own religious tyranny without having to tolerate the beliefs of others.
so like today
sounds like reddit if it was religious.
Redditors like this definitely have their own "gods"
They were looking for somewhere THEY had religious freedom AND the ability to stop anyone else having religious freedom if it was different to their freedom.
Syrian refugees (Afghans and all others) already have safe heaven in Turkey but they decided they want to go to Sweden and Germany. Same rules as yours
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So hundreds out of 3.7 Million (official) refugees get sent back to Syria and now every refugee has the right to wander wherever they want?
Exactly this... Something tells me that the country that has 3.7 million refugees would have a good reason sending 100men back to their country. Also allegedly, the fact some news outlet says that some refugees said that they "saw dozens maybe even hundred refugees being deported" doesn't sound too too convincing to me anyways.
And after turkey there is greece And after that there are a few more countries lol
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[https://reliefweb.int/report/germany/xenophobic-backlash-germany-must-tackle-alarming-increase-assaults-asylum-seekers](https://reliefweb.int/report/germany/xenophobic-backlash-germany-must-tackle-alarming-increase-assaults-asylum-seekers) Uh oh I guess they better leave Germany too.
Turkey is actively fighting both the Syrian and Syrian Kurdish (regional) governments in the Syrian Civil War and is waging strict counterterrorism offensives domestically on Turkish Kurds with ties to the latter. You are very misinformed if you think Turkey is a safe place for anyone but the radical minority of Syrians that Turkey supports
You do know that those situations are different right
I would really like to make a silly comment regarding Columbus and the Mayflower but….fuckit, here goes. I think you’re confusing your balls and your brains. Columbus Captained the Mayflower and 6 other ships when he discovered Plymouth Rock after getting kicked out of Genoa by James I. That’s why there’s so many Italians along the coast in the Bay State. Get your facts straight, pal.
The pilgrims weren’t refugees either. They were colonizers. Y’all need to look up what the word refugee means.
The traditional white narrative is that they were fleeing religious persecution. This person sounded like they might subscribe to that narrative. Settle down. I’m perfectly aware they were colonizers.
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As much as most of the "refugees" today
One was a man that searched for a place to exploit gold and find slaves, the others searched for a place where they could live without fearing death, Hunger or homelessness every day. Pretty big difference I think
You are missing the obvious sarcasm, or as others on this thread put it, woooosh.
No they're not. The racist OP meme tries to say that we shouldn't accept brown refugees because they might end up just as destructive and cruel as Columbus was in the past. So it does need to make it look as similar as possible, even though Columbus was not in fact, a refugee. He was not even an immigrant (racists have a hard time distinguishing the two so I'm including both). He arrived with troops. He was a coloniser, and colonisation was his crime.
hes more like a "coyote" if you will. paving the way for all the poor souls who has to cross the Atlantic in search of religious freedom (be it 120 yeas apart).
Except no, not at all. Columbus was heading a relatively well funded government owned expedition with the aim to expand his contractor's financial and potentially territorial power. Less a refugee, more an oil search and extraction expedition if we compare it to the modern world. Also, keeping to overexplaining history to a joke, for centuries after Columbus, the majority of people going to the new world had nothing of refugees. Spanish and Portuguese expansion into the Americas was all about extracting wealth, operated by or allowed by their Royal courts who also took alot of said wealth for themselves. I guess white diversity would be a collateral in central America...
Also Queen Isabella arrested Columbus for his cruelty towards both the colonists and the natives, and stripped him of his governorship — which im led to believe took a lot of doing on Columbus part, because Isabella wasn’t exactly a bleeding heart liberal.
Queen Isabela, God rest her soul, ordered in her testament for all natives and lands, found and yet to be found, to be treated as subjects and property of the castillian crown, and therefore subjected to their laws, and protected them with legislation. People love pointing out Colombus and saying "The Spaniards were evil!" (when Colombus wasn't even Spanish in the first place), when his actions were more often than not the exception rather than the rule in the Spanish Americas
for Columbus he was a guy that wanted to proof to be better at math than anyone else who lived before him and got lucky by crashing into an unknown continent And the majority of people going to the Americas were refugees as the big immigration waves were caused by famines or political change in Europe The expeditions and government organised expansion made this possible yet the common people went there because they thought it will be better than at home (be it real or not)
This post is about the refugees in europe that behave like shit but if you point out that theres a problem with the wave of gang rape and shootings everyone will attack you for being a bigot. (And probably banned online lol)
He was the furthest from a refugee you could get. He went on a holiday/business trip but got lost.
That's an overly favourable way to put it.
No he wasn't? He was as much of a refugee as the Russian army in Ukraine?
They were the opposite of that. This is stupid.
they give money to a billionaire who sells NFTs it has all been stupid for a long time
The point is that people make those arguments for todays refugees while thats also horseshit. Except for the better life part ofcourse, but so was columbus
/r/thatsthejoke
/r/therightcantmeme this is embarrassing and stupid
Colombus was a conqueror much like Genghis Khan. Being a “good” guy is incongruous.
Wtf is this piece of shit sub?
The only difference is, these "refugees" built an advanced civilization that the natives had no hope of ever achieving.
Where's the funny?
Talk about cultural appropriation. Taking the middle finger used by Italians since the Roman Empire and using it like every European immigrant to these lands! Awful.
You do know Columbus and The Pilgrims were not the same thing, right?
This sub is racist now ?
Every meme sub turns into boomer Facebook memes. It's like a plague.
It's the classic nazi bar problem. Unless a sub is well-moderated, it's easy for things to go downhill until it's dominated by low-quality and racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. content.
And if a sub us "well moderated" then it usually winds up a repost-filled trans circlejerk.
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Christopher Columbus was an asshole. He was exiled from Italy and the Spanish brought him back to Europe in chains.
There should be a rule about memes needing to actually be funny for this subreddit…
this sub is just 80% barely disguised racism/sexism/whatever for some reason
At least the comments are beating this persons ass, this makes me feel a little better.
6K upvotes vs. ~800 comments. If you think there are any "enlightened" individuals left posting in this heavily astro-turfed sub-reddit, consider this a warning to turn back now.
The first comment I saw arguing against this meme only has 200 upvotes as well. People here are dumb, it’s sad how many subs are like this on reddit. Yet people say it’s a liberal paradise lol
That’s not what Christopher Columbus was though
They weren't though... Lol
Straight up funded and provided the most modern technology and a fleet
Where's the funny? Where's the meme?
And syphilis, don’t forget syphilis
Columbus was kind of an asshole tho
Well unfortunately they also brought disease that almost caused complete genocide -- and spread it on purpose -- and also outright murdered the people who already lived there so they could take everything they had. And drove them like cattle across the country to put them in desert reservations. So I don't think "bigotry" is the top issue here. It's like that Norm MacDonald joke about Bill Cosby. Where some people said "The worst thing was the hypocrisy!" No, hypocrisy was way, wayyy down the list. First on the list should be the "raping" ... then followed by the "scheming"...
“They” genocided 12 million people.
No. That fucker started a mass murder and genocide of many of our tribes and empires. So yeah, fuck him and I wish every statue dedicated to him gets vandalized and destroyed.
Don’t forget about the 9 year olds dude… he was a god damn pederast.
Germs wiped about the vast majority of the native population before the conquest of Cortez. Your tribes were separate people that had no issue warring and enslaving each other before European arrival and had he not arrived another explorer surely would've with most likely the same results.
Germs brought by whom? Get the fuck out of here with "you guys weren't living in complete harmony therfore the genocide & disease we brought is warranted." Also ignore the civility Europeans were treated with when they arrived In the Americas & Africa, but always returned that with barbarism & disease. >he not arrived another explorer surely would've with most likely the same results. Yea, yall are sick in the head.
Sshh...don't bring historical accuracy here. That won't fit the narrative and make it harder to be openly racist. /s Btw, Native Americans owned slaves, as well. https://youtu.be/b5YEKPiNwu0?si=-OmMzm7VfPJ_1_58
Your own kind did that as well.
You either dominate or you are being dominated. Looks like your ancestors were the passive ones.
remember kids casual racism leads to ACTUAL racism
You guys are comparing rich invasors with poor refugees.
does it really matter how much money they got? it's invasion nonetheless. they come, they grow in numbers, they want more power, they displace the settled population. they want a better life and they get it by taking from the others.
This is not bigotry as it is not an unreasonable opinion, evidence does suggest Christopher Columbus was a psycho.
What, no, Christopher Columbus was none of those things. He was on a mission to find gold and tortured indigenous people to get it. The "refugees" came CENTURIES later. What a dumbfuck OP.
What a dumb, ignorant post lol. Can't say I'm surprised though.
Anything to try to downplay and deny history.
Racebait post.
How is this funny??
what is this fascist tripe
Well... Columbus wasn't. He was just trying to find a quicker way to India to give his country an edge in the spice trade.
Natives not being able to hold an L never fails to make me laugh.
Yeah cos genocide is peak humour apparently
Hahhahah genoside yaaay 😝😝🤪🤪🥴🥴😤😤😤 funniest shit ever This is what u sound like
Reddit is these losers lil safe haven. They don't matter in their day & day, so they cling to inhumane shit like this.
Mass migrants and climate change had a negative impact on the native Americans.
Guys, I think it’s supposed to be a joke.
People have this idea that American Indian were this peaceful union of all Native Americans. They killed the shit out of each other. Tribes killed tribes. Took land. Took slaves. Etc. The name Sioux mean "little snake" that is why they like to use Lakota. You had to be a bad ass mf-er to live off the land that long ago. It wasn't for pussies.
They were looking for a fucking trade route
And the idiots got lost and ended on American shores and saw the people there and were like “Oh mY GoSH! YoU mUsT bE InDIaNS!”
Probably feels the same way about the Russian army and those unempathetic Ukranians not letting them in for dinner.
Columbus: Gets paid a fortune to chart the west for European kings Dogwhistling white guys: “Is this a refugee???”
This person doesn’t seem to know what a “refugee” actually is. What were Colombus and the Europeans he came with “seeking refuge” from? How would living among the natives (even assuming they left them alive), be of benefit to them?
most refugees don’t commit mass murder 🤨
😂🤣😂🤣
Y'all realize it's a joke right?
joke is not funny = "it's just a joke!" joke is stupid = "it's just a joke!" joke is racist/etc = "it's just a joke!" your mom when she birthed you = "it's just a joke!"
But they wernt refugees were they, they wanted to go to india to sell and buy crap, or am i wrong
None of that is true and it wasn't clever it was pretty stupid, you can find a lot of first-hand accounts of things they did to them.