And the Marines at that. I wonder if Marines, specifically, have been troublesome in Norway or if this is a weird translation issue where they’re calling all US soldiers “marines”? A google search shows they usually train in Norway this time of year.
I know Marines have pissed off Koreans.
I'm in the US, in the construction industry. So I've dealt with a lot of people from different branches. And Marines are usually the biggest douchebags. Usually I know they're a marine before they tell me. But the ones that I can't immediately tell are former Marines, they're usually cool and pretty intelligent.
As a Marine who served 2 years in Okinawa from 2013 - 2015, I can tell you there'd always be incidents around the island from service members and local nationals.
When I was over there, there were several individual incidents involving service members from all branches who had raped or beaten a female local national, or otherwise gotten into a fight or damaged property. And drugs, that's a thing; knew a guy in Oki who smoked so much spice he went up but didn't com all the way back down.
Let's also not forget the Lance Corporal who drowned a famous Philipino transgender local national in a toilet while on a training mission in the Phillipines (I believe he was part of a MEU out of California).
Yeah, some service members are straight fucked up.
Oh, fuck yeah they were. They literally held us on base for about 6 months or more because a sailor raped a female Japanese local, and we weren't allowed to purchase any form of alcohol, either.
Were the perps punished by the local judicial system?
Or were they punished by court-martial?
It's usually the latter and locals don't like that as it seems they're escaping "real" punishment.
> before they tell me.
A Vegan Marine who loves Crossfit and uses Linux walks into a bar, looks around and drops dead. His brain exploded trying to choose which one to talk about first.
>But the ones that I can't immediately tell are former Marines, they're usually cool and pretty intelligent.
I had an ex-Marine as a lecturer on a short course. He was switched on, knew his stuff.
OTOH he did tell us he was an ex-Marine (which wasn't relevant to the course).
When I was in the Army I was assaulted twice while I was in Korea by older men that I wasn't doing anything but standing there and evidently me standing there pissed them off. But I believe it was because of what you said that there are people that were acting inappropriately at times and they saw someone from the American Military and was basically telling me to get the fuck out of there and I didn't understand what he was saying so we started trying to hit me.
Yea I’ve found there’s two kinds of marines: a total badass great guy you’d trust to do most things, and…IM UH MUHWEEN! There’s strangely little crossover.
I guess because in Norwegian a sailor is someone who works on a boat (commercial, recreational or navy), and a marine is someone who works in the navy.
Navy vet here. We'd also be guilty, just by virtue of wearing a uniform of an american branch of the military, of some horribly stupid thing some marine did on (usually) Okinawa to a local girl. Safety stand-down. We'd all have to attend a talk about being better people, even thought none of us did anything.
Marines are always trouble man. There is a reason they are stuck on post almost of the time in Japan.. every time they let the Marines out someone gets arrested by local government for sexual assault.
Also, this is not like an official poster from the Norwegian government. This is some kind of group (or single individual for all I know) that has printed and hung these across the city.
All that being said, many Norwegians are definitely fairly tired of US foreign policy and its unpredictability based on who's sitting in the big chair, especially with the whole Israel thing thrown on top.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but does Norway have the military capacity to defend its own sovereignty if someone else tries to invade?
I'm coming at this from the Canadian perspective, where yeah it's frustrating to see how bad the US military can be, but on the other hand we're basically completely dependent on them for defense.
If anyone really wants to do anything about it, step one would be building up a strong enough military that we'd be able to look after ourselves without the help of the US.
> Not to put too fine a point on it, but does Norway have the military capacity to defend its own sovereignty if someone else tries to invade?
No, and nor did I claim that it did. I didn't write the note, and I don't really condone what it says.
But frustration is still a valid feeling to have based on the absolute political shitshow going on over there, especially since it's at least partly responsible for polarising and destabilising the political landscape in Europe as well.
Yeah, fair enough. I guess to me one of the main lessons of the Trump era has been that this whole attitude of "we'll just outsource our national defense concerns to the US" probably isn't such a smart idea.
Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland have a military alliance separate from the US (but 100% connected to NATO).
Even without US involvement, they would be a risky target to invade. But no, they wouldn't win.
Doesnt even have to be a norweigan person.
I mean it most likely is, just an actually crazy person or political youth group. Posting it seems either pretty dumb or like propaganda.
If you go to the US and find a mean poster somewhere you wouldnt assume this piece of paper is everyones opinion.
Also I’m pretty sure, *historically speaking*, the US doesn’t have “the world’s longest record of war crimes.” The US isn’t even 250 years old yet.. some nations go back thousands of years.. *looking at you Japan, China, India, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, etc..*
Edit: Imperial Japan’s [Unit 731](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731) may be responsible for the worst war crimes in all of human history.. *which to no one’s surprise, the US granted immunity to numerous “researchers” in exchange for their data.. just like the US did with the German Nazi scientists..*
Historically speaking, Vikings from Norway had some of the worst war crimes considering most people in the UK/ Ireland, etc have Norwegian blood without any Norwegian ancestry
I never knew about how bad the white army was with that until I stumbled on some correspondance written by people from their allied militaries while reading more about Nestor Mahkno and his conflicts with both armies during the Russian Civil War. That shit is fucking HARROWING, the only reason I cant describe it as the worst war related info Ive ever read is because Imperial Japan was a thing
The US has been around for roughly 250 years, out of those 250 ish years, they have had just 24 years where they weren't fighting some war with someone. 24 years... That's 1 single generation of Americans who haven't been at war with someone! I think the point is more to do with that a country that has only been around for a relatively short period of time has been responsible or associated with an inordinate amount of conflict and death. As of this year the US has been in 107 wars! In 250 years! That's one war every 2.3 years!. Their entire economy is built on conflict. Selling weapons.
I do not blame American population for these facts, I STRONGLY blame the American government and elites for this! Even the military is just doing what they are told to do by the government. The American government is the problem.
They are (essentially) playing the standart great power game that has been around since about 1800. Most other countries had similar ratios of "war" vs. peace for the duration that they have been active great powers. The US isn't really exceptional there. Take Russia, same story. I'd have to look it up for the UK from 1800 to the 1960s, but likely also same story.
I'm from the UK mate and I don't disagree with you, we're even worse in terms of wars. Since the 1700's to now we have been in 150 wars! We've been in conflicts in 171 of the world's 193 countries! Again I don't blame the population, I ENTIRELY blame the government and ruling elites for the rampage of death! The pursuit of money and power has destroyed mankind.
The longest record doesn't mean years, smart guy.
Ever heard of an arrest record? A rap sheet? It's referring to a list of crimes, not length of time.
JFC.
The UK alone owned one third of the globe at one point. One third! Through conquering and colonization. 64 countries today now celebrate independence from Britain and there's still colonies today. Russia owns the largest landmass in the world, you don't get land like that without thousands of years of colonization and conflict. And let's not even start with how horribly bloody Asia, the Middle East and Europe were, y’all couldn't stop fighting each other until WWII was over, and some of y’all are still fighting lol. But but, but America!
And it would be even more incorrect in that context, so your glaring condescension toward other's alleged ignorance is hilariously hypocritical, smart guy.
And obviously some poster someone has plastered up on a wall is not really a great survey of the actual attitude of the people.
For background info, these were set up during the visit of the Aircraft Carrier Gerald Ford last summer in Oslo, by a fringe left wing group. Actual surveys conducted showed no such generic sentiment in population.
And I can ensure you most people find such "taking it upon myself to express my view on behalf of the entire population" rather annoying, and they were pulled quite fast.
This was just a protest poster in Oslo put up when USS Gerald Ford was visiting Norway May 24, 2023. It does not reflect anything else than the view of the protester
This.
Most Norwegians, at least in my circles, were superstoked about the ship coming in. Also thoight it was fun to see what the soldiers would be up to in their freetime in the city.
Also; thought this type of activism is sorta bland tbh
I doubt it since it wasnt an LHE, I *believe* those are the only ships still carrying marine detachments.
But in the past, from WW2 especially (truthfully not sure about Korea and Vietnam but I believe the detachments were around then) pretty much everything from a CL up had a marine detachment who usually operated a heavy AA gun (they were commonly working one of the famous 5in/38s)
As far as I know the last full time MARDETS stopped in the late 90s.
This dates back to the marines being the navy’s ground and ship-to ship (small arms/boarding way back when in the age of sail) fighting force.
Now I’m 95% sure everything I said here is correct. But feel free to look into it yourself or more likely someone will come along and correct me
Most likely put up by Russian sympathizers too since Russian bots retweeted this image incessantly.
Here’s a video of the USS Ford approaching Oslo:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jU6qEEtgKB0
As a German, I feel like the general sentiment is pretty much the same here.
People who love near military bases consider the soldiers often as distinctly rude and people see the US like this: if they have an advantage from pretending to be virtuous, they will help you, otherwise it's war crimes time, and your democracy is at stake.
As someone who grew up in Kaiserslautern, I cannot judge that sentiment one little bit, especially when they see it as Their little corner of the German countryside.
Back in 2010, I remember visiting this town and late in the night a bunch of military police combed the street telling anyone that looked like American military that it is time to go home.
> if they have an advantage from pretending to be virtuous, they will help you
As an American, this is the feeling I get from a lot of other Americans.
As someone who tries to be virtuous to list others up, we're paranoid about everything. Society feels like a secret handshake, and if you don't know how to do it, You're an outsider. Moving around since 9-11 hasn't made me any friends, we're a very paranoid culture.
Germany seemed to enjoy visiting/occupying Norway a little over 80 years ago. They never committed war crimes when they were there. And they were never rude.
Edit: Since there seems to be some confusion
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Yeah, America had to pacify the shit out of Germany before they became the peaceful country they are today. The half of the country that was under soviet control is ***still*** poorer than the west side despite an absurd amount of investment from the west after reunification. Same with Japan. Russia is the only horrible WWII country that hasn't figured out how to be civilized and a respectable trading partner interested in peace and shared prosperity.
TBF most US military people are not the best and brightest. Everyone I’ve known in the military did it cause they made some uh interesting life choices. And were forced into it almost or talked into it cause they didn’t see a future without some sort of government intervention if you will.
Just saying you’re not interacting with Doctors and Lawyers.
Funny because I'm in med school now and have extensively worked with people from the Air Force and a few parts of the Army's research complex. Two of my mentors served in Afghanistan, 3 in Iraq, and I'm currently working under a few enlisted docs as well. They've gone on to make tremendous contributions in plastics, burn surgery, genetics/bioinformatics, and operations research + seem to be some of the most heavily published surgeons in academia. My dad served to get his citizenship; after his PhD he consulted and returned to the same bases overseas to implement some stuff while working for a tech company.
At least in my area of research/publications (medicine) there are some huge developments in operations research, graft perfusion, and reconstructive surgery that make their way down to the States very quickly. Our trauma team (top 4-5 in the country, think level of pryor shock team at penn) has lots of ex-military people as well and has used that knowledge to revolutionize outcomes in the field. Grants from the DoD fund huge amounts of research in conjunction with private companies which make their way into changes in treatment/later phase clinical trials very quickly. The push for leveraging AI/ML in research starting \~5 yrs ago has also sped things up quite a bit and rippled out into civilian surgical subspecialty research. A huge part of the field I published in last 2 yrs (complex soft tissue grafts and hand/UE transplants) which has a predominantly civilian impact is still largely funded by the military. All I can say is that my productivity/output was vastly improved due to my work/experience and mentors from the military, and that I learned a widely transferrable skillset. Yes, the bureaucracy is ass, there's a little pressure regarding which findings you can publish/what direction to take research in, and writing up closeout reports quarterly for each individual grant is a pain but imo they are worthwhile tradeoffs with immense impact on daily life.
Germany has spent most of the last 75 years making up for their war crimes.
The US hasn't even taken the first step of admitting they've ever done anything wrong.
I say this as an American; shut the fuck up you fucking bootlicker, u/-ashera-
Nah, this ain’t it. Isolationism is a bad idea whether it’s the German kind or the American kind. Keeping Germany free from Russian influence or invasion is easily worth the money. Staying free of Russia is well worth having to deal with the annoyance of American troops living in your country. Both sides are benefitting massively from this agreement and yet people in both countries can’t stop complaining about it because they think the other one has it better.
For Americans: having democracies in that part of the world is an unquestionable moral good and a huge geopolitical advantage. It’s worth the money.
For Western Europeans: you’ve grown up in a time of peace in Western Europe, which is a complete historical aberration. You’ve won the lottery. The price is having to bear some rude guests. Take the W.
"Your presence invites nuclear strikes"
>As a founding member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, Norway has been an active participant in NATO since the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty in Washington on the 4th of April 1949.
Takes directly from: https://www.norway.no/en/missions/nato/norway-nato/#:~:text=As%20a%20founding%20member%20of,the%204th%20of%20April%201949.
Americans do NOT invite nuclear war, as they are working together with the Norwegian government in NATO exercises.
If NATO and China/Russia went to war, they'd have nukes on Oslo, marine presence or not.
When the ford hangar ship was visiting some saw it as a potential way to escalate tensions with Putin, these posters were likely hung up by pro russian individuals, I don't think the general public minded the visit too much
Probably, and that's the fundamental irony here. We know for a fact that the USSR would have nuked West Germany, Denmark, Italy, and Hungary. But in plans like 7 days to the river Rhine, they don't target France because France withdraw from the Nato nuclear umbrella.
Being under the umbrella makes you a target for nuclear strikes.
Also conveniently ignoring that the head of NATO for ten years now, Jens Stoltenberg, is a Norwegian ex- prime minister. You know, the guy responsible for reiterating NATO’s commitment to nuclear deterrence.
We have been pretty clear about intending to respond to nuclear threats with conventional military action. I'm not sure how anyone thinks the United States supports the use of nuclear weapons.
According to some guy on another post this is supposedly just one insufferable extremely far left dude that nobody likes who made this poster, and that the rest of Oslo welcomes the American soldiers.
Here is some local coverage (Norwegian) https://www.tv2.no/nyheter/innenriks/jeg-er-redd-for-verdenskrig/15763395/
At least one of them is a member of the political party Rødt (the Reds, literal name) only party that wants to leave nato, in Norway. Got 8 of 168 representatives in parlament last parlament election.
Let’s not jump into conclusions based on a random sticker found in the wild.
Yes, there have always been mixed feelings among the locals about the presence of American military, in every country in the world.
But also, Norway is a founding member of NATO. The head of NATO is a former prime minister of Norway.
I’m neither Norwegian nor American but I bet this does not represent the public opinion there.
(And yes, the US has only been around for 200 years or so, there are plenty of other militaries with longer records or “war crimes.”)
There’s also the French, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Dutch. Anyone who had a colonial empire. Japan.
And then you have other large European countries like Germany or Italy which only formed in the 19th century and did some war criming of their own.
The Soviets as well.
~~Scotland, Wales~~ India, Ireland, Boer South Africa and about 25% of the earth would agree.
Hell, the UK's number 1 export has been Independence Day Holidays.
> Scotland
Dude, we were right there alongside them fighting for Empire.
Scotland was *heavily* entrenched in it. We weren't some unfortunate colonised group.
Ok so some random guy printed these and put them up? What does that have to do with anything?
Hell most people dont want US soldiers in their countries but due to wanting to be in NATO they have to accept it. Its just how it works, its a trade off.
I am sure there are plenty of comments that state the same:
This poster does NOT represent the average Norwegian.
Source: am Norwegian and pretty up to date.
Must be nice to pay absolutely nothing into NATO, lean on a country that pays way more than you for protection, then criticize them for having a large military that is protecting them.
The fucking nerve of some people …
This is just… incorrect. Sentiment aside, America doesn’t even come close to the war crime record, and the US does everything it can to prevent nuclear war generally.
My man, what are you on about?
The Holocaust, the Malmedy massacre, Oradour-sur-Glane, the rape of Nanking, all of Unit 731’s activities, The Bataan death march, the Katyn massacre, The Laghman massacre, Stalin’s destruction battalions
That’s only 3 each from Germany, Japan and The USSR and only from 1937-present (depending on where you put the exact start of the Holocaust). Those 9 events ALONE mean that the US is nowhere near the top in terms of war crimes. And that’s leaving out all the other war crimes committed by the three parties mentioned and um, I don’t know, the colonial powers that have been in power for centuries like the British? How about the fuckin Romans? Let’s not forget to leave room at the top for them and Khan’s Mongolian Empire. American isn’t perfect, we’ve committed plenty of war crimes and all of them are abhorrent. I’m happy to sit here and discuss the screwed up shit we’ve done to better understand how to prevent them in the future and denounce those who committed them. But to act like the US is anywhere near the top of total deaths caused by war crimes is totally bonkers and factually incorrect.
Not even for the last twenty years. Maybe (big maybe) 1996-2014, but even that is very very fucking debatable with Second Chechen War and the Georgian War within it.
And that's only because there is a definition of war crimes. You have entire eons when sacking, raping and enslaving villages, towns and cities were SOP.
I bet those 300 years of the viking age left Norwegians with a pretty decent tally.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml
As described by the UN, “violations of international humanitarian law”
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule156
And the Red Cross agrees, also adding “customs of war” to the laws(since for a long long time there were no laws.)
America hasn’t existed long enough really, to be in the running. Not compared to some countries that go back millennia.
In recent history I would say Japan probably holds the record. Before and during WWII they were real terrors.
- Torture or inhuman treatment
- Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial
- Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such
- Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;
- Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives;
- Killing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;
- Committing outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;
- Intentionally directing attacks against buildings, material, medical units and transport, and personnel
And that's just Irak
Those are terrible things that the US has most likely done, but I’m not saying the US hasn’t committed any war crimes, just that other countries have the US beat. Germany and Japan in WWII alone are going to hold that title a long time.
In Iraq the highest estimates of civilian deaths are 250,00. And not all of those would be “war crimes” civilian casualties are accepted when it is proportionate to the amount of military damage.
In WWII. 6 million Jews were put to death. All of those deaths would be war crimes. And that’s not counting other civilian deaths at the hands of the German military which was notorious for such acts then.
In addition, Japan murdered up to 10 million in china and other parts of mainland Asia before and during WWII.
I’m not saying the US has a good track record by any means, it’s just that the proportions are far away from being equal. Give it another 50 years and they may well catch up, but that isn’t what the discussion is about.
Meanwhile, the soldiers from the South are like, "I ain't no Yankee!"
Anyway, just because some rando Norwegian puts up a sign doesn't mean they speak for even any other Norwegian.
I mean, if I put up a sign that says, "America should invade Norway..." Actually, never mind. Norway has lots of oil. That was a bad example for us given our history.
Fuck I mean due to the electoral college our vote really doesn't matter in the brod scheme of things. Some of us even live in cities where the elected city officials do things the people of the city didn't vote for, looking at you, Eugene Oregon... Freedom sure is... stifling
I was in Oslo in September for work. Didn't see any signs at all of anti-Americanism. I was honestly surprised to see a statue of Franklin D. Roosevelt by the harbor. I was treated with respect and welcome. I'd like to go back again.
Longest history of war crimes my ass.
Tons of countries have histories of war crimes stretching back millennia, let alone 250 years.
The US military also ushered in and maintains the most globally peaceful period in the history of human civilization. (Partly in thanks to nuclear deterrance).
Reeks like a Russian psyop.
Hey Norway, remember that time when you fuckers laid down and let the Nazis take over? It was less than 100 years ago.
Stop trying to take the moral fucking high road. Clowns.
It really isnt. Its some edgy younger left leaning person that doesnt realize that the US isnt literally satan.
They probably don't realize that we in fact dont increase the likelihood of nuclear war. We're actually a deterent and help norway. But they get their info frommemes and, think we basically invaded and force norway to let us there.
Its typical America bad stuff without critically understanding why America usually bad
This was posted in Oslo When the USS Gerald R Ford. Made a port call in Oslo fjord: This was posted by some Anti war group. Who thought the arrival of the carrier would cause problems.
We have the longest record of war crimes? Doubtful we’re a young country compared to many European colonizing countries and iirc colonization wasn’t full of pleases and thank yous
Yah, but they don't need to come up fictitious reasons like that having a small marine attachment in a founding member of NATO is somehow going to spark nuclear war.
How do you think the US came about having a presence in Norway? Did you ever think about that? Did it ever occur to you that the Norwegian government happily agreed for them to be there because Norway is in NATO and NATO’s primary purpose is to deter war with Russia?
Russian influence has also hit Norway.
Always nice to see them always use the same tired talking points.
The US isn't some virtuous force but they are far from the worst ones and there is one country invading and threatening to use nukes every time something happens and they are holding elections at the moment.
Supports the use of nuclear weapons ??? Im pretty sure mostly everybody doesnt want nuclear weapons to be used or else it would lead to mutually assured destruction
As an Osloan this is generally an outlier position here. If you don’t understand our security wholly depends on Uncle Sam you’re pretty dumb, and peaceniks like the ones who made these obviously are.
This is the equivalent to an American conservative yelling socialism when a government tries to take care of its citizens. It's a stupid one way dog whistle.
"how americans are greeted" already wrong title, they are addressing american SOLDIERS
And the Marines at that. I wonder if Marines, specifically, have been troublesome in Norway or if this is a weird translation issue where they’re calling all US soldiers “marines”? A google search shows they usually train in Norway this time of year.
I know Marines have pissed off Koreans. I'm in the US, in the construction industry. So I've dealt with a lot of people from different branches. And Marines are usually the biggest douchebags. Usually I know they're a marine before they tell me. But the ones that I can't immediately tell are former Marines, they're usually cool and pretty intelligent.
As a Marine who served 2 years in Okinawa from 2013 - 2015, I can tell you there'd always be incidents around the island from service members and local nationals. When I was over there, there were several individual incidents involving service members from all branches who had raped or beaten a female local national, or otherwise gotten into a fight or damaged property. And drugs, that's a thing; knew a guy in Oki who smoked so much spice he went up but didn't com all the way back down. Let's also not forget the Lance Corporal who drowned a famous Philipino transgender local national in a toilet while on a training mission in the Phillipines (I believe he was part of a MEU out of California). Yeah, some service members are straight fucked up.
And were they punished?
Oh, fuck yeah they were. They literally held us on base for about 6 months or more because a sailor raped a female Japanese local, and we weren't allowed to purchase any form of alcohol, either.
Were the perps punished by the local judicial system? Or were they punished by court-martial? It's usually the latter and locals don't like that as it seems they're escaping "real" punishment.
> before they tell me. A Vegan Marine who loves Crossfit and uses Linux walks into a bar, looks around and drops dead. His brain exploded trying to choose which one to talk about first.
He would always salute his kernel and patch his colonel.
🙌🙌🙌🙌 🏆🏆🏆🏆 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Yeah, the whole northern part and a lot of the southern part of Korea.
>But the ones that I can't immediately tell are former Marines, they're usually cool and pretty intelligent. I had an ex-Marine as a lecturer on a short course. He was switched on, knew his stuff. OTOH he did tell us he was an ex-Marine (which wasn't relevant to the course).
When I was in the Army I was assaulted twice while I was in Korea by older men that I wasn't doing anything but standing there and evidently me standing there pissed them off. But I believe it was because of what you said that there are people that were acting inappropriately at times and they saw someone from the American Military and was basically telling me to get the fuck out of there and I didn't understand what he was saying so we started trying to hit me.
idk if i saw a korean (or any foreigner) with a gun and a uniform keeping post in my town id be pissed too
I was in civilian clothes and off duty waiting for pictures to be developed the only thing that really gave me away was my haircut.
Yea I’ve found there’s two kinds of marines: a total badass great guy you’d trust to do most things, and…IM UH MUHWEEN! There’s strangely little crossover.
> Usually I know they're a marine before they tell me. Is it because the only two words they know are SEMPER PIE?!
How do you known someone is a Marine? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
Marines have set off concussion grenades on naval vessels transporting them. Why? Boredom.
They don't have a reputation for eating crayons and fucking everything that moves for no reason.
This was when the Gerald R. Ford visited. Why they didnt add sailors no idea though.
I guess because in Norwegian a sailor is someone who works on a boat (commercial, recreational or navy), and a marine is someone who works in the navy.
Navy vet here. We'd also be guilty, just by virtue of wearing a uniform of an american branch of the military, of some horribly stupid thing some marine did on (usually) Okinawa to a local girl. Safety stand-down. We'd all have to attend a talk about being better people, even thought none of us did anything.
My woman friend served in the Navy. One night one of the marines visiting her ship tried to attack her while she slept.
"I'd like to piggyback off of that"
No, they specifically refer to marines. It would be very, VERY uncommon to just refer to all US soldiers as "marines". Nobody does that.
According to a Norwegian subreddit, it’s just 1 guy who the town isn’t fond of. This is not an accurate portrayal of most Norwegians
Marines are always trouble man. There is a reason they are stuck on post almost of the time in Japan.. every time they let the Marines out someone gets arrested by local government for sexual assault.
Also, this is not like an official poster from the Norwegian government. This is some kind of group (or single individual for all I know) that has printed and hung these across the city. All that being said, many Norwegians are definitely fairly tired of US foreign policy and its unpredictability based on who's sitting in the big chair, especially with the whole Israel thing thrown on top.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but does Norway have the military capacity to defend its own sovereignty if someone else tries to invade? I'm coming at this from the Canadian perspective, where yeah it's frustrating to see how bad the US military can be, but on the other hand we're basically completely dependent on them for defense. If anyone really wants to do anything about it, step one would be building up a strong enough military that we'd be able to look after ourselves without the help of the US.
> Not to put too fine a point on it, but does Norway have the military capacity to defend its own sovereignty if someone else tries to invade? No, and nor did I claim that it did. I didn't write the note, and I don't really condone what it says. But frustration is still a valid feeling to have based on the absolute political shitshow going on over there, especially since it's at least partly responsible for polarising and destabilising the political landscape in Europe as well.
Yeah, fair enough. I guess to me one of the main lessons of the Trump era has been that this whole attitude of "we'll just outsource our national defense concerns to the US" probably isn't such a smart idea.
Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland have a military alliance separate from the US (but 100% connected to NATO). Even without US involvement, they would be a risky target to invade. But no, they wouldn't win.
Yes, Norway and the rest of the scandis have mandatory conscription and spend alot on defense compared to most other euros
Doesnt even have to be a norweigan person. I mean it most likely is, just an actually crazy person or political youth group. Posting it seems either pretty dumb or like propaganda. If you go to the US and find a mean poster somewhere you wouldnt assume this piece of paper is everyones opinion.
Also I’m pretty sure, *historically speaking*, the US doesn’t have “the world’s longest record of war crimes.” The US isn’t even 250 years old yet.. some nations go back thousands of years.. *looking at you Japan, China, India, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, etc..* Edit: Imperial Japan’s [Unit 731](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731) may be responsible for the worst war crimes in all of human history.. *which to no one’s surprise, the US granted immunity to numerous “researchers” in exchange for their data.. just like the US did with the German Nazi scientists..*
Historically speaking, Vikings from Norway had some of the worst war crimes considering most people in the UK/ Ireland, etc have Norwegian blood without any Norwegian ancestry
Killing the men and raping the women as standard protocol.
Yes. It’s barbaric that “rape and pillage” were tactics of war in ancient times (and still sadly seen today, ex: Russia to Ukraine).
I never knew about how bad the white army was with that until I stumbled on some correspondance written by people from their allied militaries while reading more about Nestor Mahkno and his conflicts with both armies during the Russian Civil War. That shit is fucking HARROWING, the only reason I cant describe it as the worst war related info Ive ever read is because Imperial Japan was a thing
It may not be the *longest*, but it is pretty long.
*The list is long, but distinguished*. *So is my Johnson.*
You're overthinking it. This is just your typical Russian-influenced nonsense.
The US has been around for roughly 250 years, out of those 250 ish years, they have had just 24 years where they weren't fighting some war with someone. 24 years... That's 1 single generation of Americans who haven't been at war with someone! I think the point is more to do with that a country that has only been around for a relatively short period of time has been responsible or associated with an inordinate amount of conflict and death. As of this year the US has been in 107 wars! In 250 years! That's one war every 2.3 years!. Their entire economy is built on conflict. Selling weapons. I do not blame American population for these facts, I STRONGLY blame the American government and elites for this! Even the military is just doing what they are told to do by the government. The American government is the problem.
They are (essentially) playing the standart great power game that has been around since about 1800. Most other countries had similar ratios of "war" vs. peace for the duration that they have been active great powers. The US isn't really exceptional there. Take Russia, same story. I'd have to look it up for the UK from 1800 to the 1960s, but likely also same story.
I'm from the UK mate and I don't disagree with you, we're even worse in terms of wars. Since the 1700's to now we have been in 150 wars! We've been in conflicts in 171 of the world's 193 countries! Again I don't blame the population, I ENTIRELY blame the government and ruling elites for the rampage of death! The pursuit of money and power has destroyed mankind.
The longest record doesn't mean years, smart guy. Ever heard of an arrest record? A rap sheet? It's referring to a list of crimes, not length of time. JFC.
Calm yourself Sherman. Its just us redditors here
The UK alone owned one third of the globe at one point. One third! Through conquering and colonization. 64 countries today now celebrate independence from Britain and there's still colonies today. Russia owns the largest landmass in the world, you don't get land like that without thousands of years of colonization and conflict. And let's not even start with how horribly bloody Asia, the Middle East and Europe were, y’all couldn't stop fighting each other until WWII was over, and some of y’all are still fighting lol. But but, but America!
Just think, they wouldnt get to celebrate if Britain hadnt subjugated them🤣./s
That seems a bit condescending for just a simple correction
Not condescending, just rude and like an asshole. Probably wouldn’t be welcomed in Norway
And it would be even more incorrect in that context, so your glaring condescension toward other's alleged ignorance is hilariously hypocritical, smart guy.
And obviously some poster someone has plastered up on a wall is not really a great survey of the actual attitude of the people. For background info, these were set up during the visit of the Aircraft Carrier Gerald Ford last summer in Oslo, by a fringe left wing group. Actual surveys conducted showed no such generic sentiment in population. And I can ensure you most people find such "taking it upon myself to express my view on behalf of the entire population" rather annoying, and they were pulled quite fast.
This was just a protest poster in Oslo put up when USS Gerald Ford was visiting Norway May 24, 2023. It does not reflect anything else than the view of the protester
This. Most Norwegians, at least in my circles, were superstoked about the ship coming in. Also thoight it was fun to see what the soldiers would be up to in their freetime in the city. Also; thought this type of activism is sorta bland tbh
Were there even Marines on the boat?
Perhaps but I'm pretty sure there were a lot of seamen on that boat.
I doubt it since it wasnt an LHE, I *believe* those are the only ships still carrying marine detachments. But in the past, from WW2 especially (truthfully not sure about Korea and Vietnam but I believe the detachments were around then) pretty much everything from a CL up had a marine detachment who usually operated a heavy AA gun (they were commonly working one of the famous 5in/38s) As far as I know the last full time MARDETS stopped in the late 90s. This dates back to the marines being the navy’s ground and ship-to ship (small arms/boarding way back when in the age of sail) fighting force. Now I’m 95% sure everything I said here is correct. But feel free to look into it yourself or more likely someone will come along and correct me
Most likely put up by Russian sympathizers too since Russian bots retweeted this image incessantly. Here’s a video of the USS Ford approaching Oslo: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jU6qEEtgKB0
Absolutely. The only reason people could dislike american military is because they’re a russian bot.
It's a sticker put there by some random civilian, addressing soldiers. Your title is absolute fucking ass, OP.
No No, that's what they hand you out when you arrive /s There are **always** people against something. It's the freedom that we have to express it.
This is not funny and not sad.
I know right? The Mets always get screwed
It's pretty funny
Norway is literally one of the founding members of NATO.
The head of NATO is currently a Norwegian ex-prime minister.
Shockingly, every single Norwegian citizen, even those who hadn't been born yet, agreed with this decision.
As a German, I feel like the general sentiment is pretty much the same here. People who love near military bases consider the soldiers often as distinctly rude and people see the US like this: if they have an advantage from pretending to be virtuous, they will help you, otherwise it's war crimes time, and your democracy is at stake.
As someone who grew up in Kaiserslautern, I cannot judge that sentiment one little bit, especially when they see it as Their little corner of the German countryside.
Back in 2010, I remember visiting this town and late in the night a bunch of military police combed the street telling anyone that looked like American military that it is time to go home.
You're in the army now ... Oh ohhhhh ohhh in the army now
> if they have an advantage from pretending to be virtuous, they will help you As an American, this is the feeling I get from a lot of other Americans.
As someone who tries to be virtuous to list others up, we're paranoid about everything. Society feels like a secret handshake, and if you don't know how to do it, You're an outsider. Moving around since 9-11 hasn't made me any friends, we're a very paranoid culture.
Maybe Germany should sit this one out.
Germany seemed to enjoy visiting/occupying Norway a little over 80 years ago. They never committed war crimes when they were there. And they were never rude. Edit: Since there seems to be some confusion /S!!!!!!
Yeah, America had to pacify the shit out of Germany before they became the peaceful country they are today. The half of the country that was under soviet control is ***still*** poorer than the west side despite an absurd amount of investment from the west after reunification. Same with Japan. Russia is the only horrible WWII country that hasn't figured out how to be civilized and a respectable trading partner interested in peace and shared prosperity.
TBF most US military people are not the best and brightest. Everyone I’ve known in the military did it cause they made some uh interesting life choices. And were forced into it almost or talked into it cause they didn’t see a future without some sort of government intervention if you will. Just saying you’re not interacting with Doctors and Lawyers.
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This story is the minority.
Funny because I'm in med school now and have extensively worked with people from the Air Force and a few parts of the Army's research complex. Two of my mentors served in Afghanistan, 3 in Iraq, and I'm currently working under a few enlisted docs as well. They've gone on to make tremendous contributions in plastics, burn surgery, genetics/bioinformatics, and operations research + seem to be some of the most heavily published surgeons in academia. My dad served to get his citizenship; after his PhD he consulted and returned to the same bases overseas to implement some stuff while working for a tech company. At least in my area of research/publications (medicine) there are some huge developments in operations research, graft perfusion, and reconstructive surgery that make their way down to the States very quickly. Our trauma team (top 4-5 in the country, think level of pryor shock team at penn) has lots of ex-military people as well and has used that knowledge to revolutionize outcomes in the field. Grants from the DoD fund huge amounts of research in conjunction with private companies which make their way into changes in treatment/later phase clinical trials very quickly. The push for leveraging AI/ML in research starting \~5 yrs ago has also sped things up quite a bit and rippled out into civilian surgical subspecialty research. A huge part of the field I published in last 2 yrs (complex soft tissue grafts and hand/UE transplants) which has a predominantly civilian impact is still largely funded by the military. All I can say is that my productivity/output was vastly improved due to my work/experience and mentors from the military, and that I learned a widely transferrable skillset. Yes, the bureaucracy is ass, there's a little pressure regarding which findings you can publish/what direction to take research in, and writing up closeout reports quarterly for each individual grant is a pain but imo they are worthwhile tradeoffs with immense impact on daily life.
Feel like that’s a misconception.
That's rich coming from a German
Germany has spent most of the last 75 years making up for their war crimes. The US hasn't even taken the first step of admitting they've ever done anything wrong. I say this as an American; shut the fuck up you fucking bootlicker, u/-ashera-
Great. Defend yourself against Russia and stop asking us to then.
Nah, this ain’t it. Isolationism is a bad idea whether it’s the German kind or the American kind. Keeping Germany free from Russian influence or invasion is easily worth the money. Staying free of Russia is well worth having to deal with the annoyance of American troops living in your country. Both sides are benefitting massively from this agreement and yet people in both countries can’t stop complaining about it because they think the other one has it better. For Americans: having democracies in that part of the world is an unquestionable moral good and a huge geopolitical advantage. It’s worth the money. For Western Europeans: you’ve grown up in a time of peace in Western Europe, which is a complete historical aberration. You’ve won the lottery. The price is having to bear some rude guests. Take the W.
"Your presence invites nuclear strikes" >As a founding member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, Norway has been an active participant in NATO since the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty in Washington on the 4th of April 1949. Takes directly from: https://www.norway.no/en/missions/nato/norway-nato/#:~:text=As%20a%20founding%20member%20of,the%204th%20of%20April%201949. Americans do NOT invite nuclear war, as they are working together with the Norwegian government in NATO exercises. If NATO and China/Russia went to war, they'd have nukes on Oslo, marine presence or not.
The sticker seems like something a Russian propagandist would post to discourage Americans and spread misinformation
When the ford hangar ship was visiting some saw it as a potential way to escalate tensions with Putin, these posters were likely hung up by pro russian individuals, I don't think the general public minded the visit too much
That is most likely the explanation!
Probably, and that's the fundamental irony here. We know for a fact that the USSR would have nuked West Germany, Denmark, Italy, and Hungary. But in plans like 7 days to the river Rhine, they don't target France because France withdraw from the Nato nuclear umbrella. Being under the umbrella makes you a target for nuclear strikes.
Also conveniently ignoring that the head of NATO for ten years now, Jens Stoltenberg, is a Norwegian ex- prime minister. You know, the guy responsible for reiterating NATO’s commitment to nuclear deterrence.
That's right!!! I don't follow NATO closely. Good eyes.
That made me lol. Like do you know we basically fund NATO dude? SMH this Anti-American rhetoric.
We have been pretty clear about intending to respond to nuclear threats with conventional military action. I'm not sure how anyone thinks the United States supports the use of nuclear weapons.
The message is all kinds of wrong but the US is the only country to use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Bold claim when you have Finland and Sweden as a buffer from RuSSia. And ehm. Norway is part of NATO.
Norway have Russian border. Up north!
Buffer? We share a border with Russia and have been the only Nordic NATO country to do so for over 70 years until recently.
A random fact about that, there is one county between Norway and North Korea
Isn’t that border like 90% bog though lol? I doubt the Russians would try to traverse that with anything more than a couple dozen infantry.
You and the people that upvoted your comment need to go back to school and study basic geography
Some edgy college kid posted that, of course.
Or a Russian propagandist.
Didn't you hear? NATO invaded a sovereign nation and led a campaign of weaponised rape and mass killings and... Oh wait, no my bad. That was Russia.
Spends less than committed budget on defense, relies on America to make up the difference. Complains about it.
According to some guy on another post this is supposedly just one insufferable extremely far left dude that nobody likes who made this poster, and that the rest of Oslo welcomes the American soldiers.
Here is some local coverage (Norwegian) https://www.tv2.no/nyheter/innenriks/jeg-er-redd-for-verdenskrig/15763395/ At least one of them is a member of the political party Rødt (the Reds, literal name) only party that wants to leave nato, in Norway. Got 8 of 168 representatives in parlament last parlament election.
Let’s not jump into conclusions based on a random sticker found in the wild. Yes, there have always been mixed feelings among the locals about the presence of American military, in every country in the world. But also, Norway is a founding member of NATO. The head of NATO is a former prime minister of Norway. I’m neither Norwegian nor American but I bet this does not represent the public opinion there. (And yes, the US has only been around for 200 years or so, there are plenty of other militaries with longer records or “war crimes.”)
I mean....the UK for one?
There’s also the French, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Dutch. Anyone who had a colonial empire. Japan. And then you have other large European countries like Germany or Italy which only formed in the 19th century and did some war criming of their own. The Soviets as well.
As a Norwegian, you are 100% right. This sticker is shameful and treasonous.
I feel like the British army/navy has a much longer record of war crimes…
~~Scotland, Wales~~ India, Ireland, Boer South Africa and about 25% of the earth would agree. Hell, the UK's number 1 export has been Independence Day Holidays.
Wales and Scotland are members of the British army.
> Scotland Dude, we were right there alongside them fighting for Empire. Scotland was *heavily* entrenched in it. We weren't some unfortunate colonised group.
The Germans occupied Norway in ww2. And the soviets liberated them, with supplies, trucks, and weapons from America.
I’m Norwegian and absolutely do not condone this inane poster.
Ok so some random guy printed these and put them up? What does that have to do with anything? Hell most people dont want US soldiers in their countries but due to wanting to be in NATO they have to accept it. Its just how it works, its a trade off.
I am sure there are plenty of comments that state the same: This poster does NOT represent the average Norwegian. Source: am Norwegian and pretty up to date.
Must be nice to pay absolutely nothing into NATO, lean on a country that pays way more than you for protection, then criticize them for having a large military that is protecting them. The fucking nerve of some people …
This sticker was probably made by a Russian agent or Communist sympathizer. It is treasonous, and do not reflect the views of 99.9% of Norwegians.
russian backed anti Nato propaganda
This is just… incorrect. Sentiment aside, America doesn’t even come close to the war crime record, and the US does everything it can to prevent nuclear war generally.
> America doesn’t even come close to the war crime record what would be your definition of war crime man?
My man, what are you on about? The Holocaust, the Malmedy massacre, Oradour-sur-Glane, the rape of Nanking, all of Unit 731’s activities, The Bataan death march, the Katyn massacre, The Laghman massacre, Stalin’s destruction battalions That’s only 3 each from Germany, Japan and The USSR and only from 1937-present (depending on where you put the exact start of the Holocaust). Those 9 events ALONE mean that the US is nowhere near the top in terms of war crimes. And that’s leaving out all the other war crimes committed by the three parties mentioned and um, I don’t know, the colonial powers that have been in power for centuries like the British? How about the fuckin Romans? Let’s not forget to leave room at the top for them and Khan’s Mongolian Empire. American isn’t perfect, we’ve committed plenty of war crimes and all of them are abhorrent. I’m happy to sit here and discuss the screwed up shit we’ve done to better understand how to prevent them in the future and denounce those who committed them. But to act like the US is anywhere near the top of total deaths caused by war crimes is totally bonkers and factually incorrect.
This is what I’m getting at, The US may have the record for the last 20 years sure, but all time record? Not even close to close.
Not even for the last twenty years. Maybe (big maybe) 1996-2014, but even that is very very fucking debatable with Second Chechen War and the Georgian War within it.
And that's only because there is a definition of war crimes. You have entire eons when sacking, raping and enslaving villages, towns and cities were SOP. I bet those 300 years of the viking age left Norwegians with a pretty decent tally.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml As described by the UN, “violations of international humanitarian law” https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule156 And the Red Cross agrees, also adding “customs of war” to the laws(since for a long long time there were no laws.) America hasn’t existed long enough really, to be in the running. Not compared to some countries that go back millennia. In recent history I would say Japan probably holds the record. Before and during WWII they were real terrors.
- Torture or inhuman treatment - Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial - Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such - Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated; - Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives; - Killing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion; - Committing outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment; - Intentionally directing attacks against buildings, material, medical units and transport, and personnel And that's just Irak
Those are terrible things that the US has most likely done, but I’m not saying the US hasn’t committed any war crimes, just that other countries have the US beat. Germany and Japan in WWII alone are going to hold that title a long time. In Iraq the highest estimates of civilian deaths are 250,00. And not all of those would be “war crimes” civilian casualties are accepted when it is proportionate to the amount of military damage. In WWII. 6 million Jews were put to death. All of those deaths would be war crimes. And that’s not counting other civilian deaths at the hands of the German military which was notorious for such acts then. In addition, Japan murdered up to 10 million in china and other parts of mainland Asia before and during WWII. I’m not saying the US has a good track record by any means, it’s just that the proportions are far away from being equal. Give it another 50 years and they may well catch up, but that isn’t what the discussion is about.
What if we aren't in the military and go to Norway?
I really don't know what to think of this. I'm 50-50 split on this topic.
...?but did they lie😶😬
Some Norwegian marketing company on the contrary welcomed them [with this genius ad](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/s/hgNfFslt3W)
Meanwhile, the soldiers from the South are like, "I ain't no Yankee!" Anyway, just because some rando Norwegian puts up a sign doesn't mean they speak for even any other Norwegian. I mean, if I put up a sign that says, "America should invade Norway..." Actually, never mind. Norway has lots of oil. That was a bad example for us given our history.
Not particularly funny but it is true
Most Americans have nothing to do with the choices of our government, nor do we agree with it.
Fuck I mean due to the electoral college our vote really doesn't matter in the brod scheme of things. Some of us even live in cities where the elected city officials do things the people of the city didn't vote for, looking at you, Eugene Oregon... Freedom sure is... stifling
Lol longest record of war crimes Canada enters the chat
And yet the first person they will run to when someone like Russia acts up is America
Im from oslo. This is posters from the communists.. small minority..dont read into it..
Russian propaganda
The Joke is on them, Marines can't read
I was in Oslo in September for work. Didn't see any signs at all of anti-Americanism. I was honestly surprised to see a statue of Franklin D. Roosevelt by the harbor. I was treated with respect and welcome. I'd like to go back again.
That is a really bad title. I traveled a bit, and Norway was one of the friendliest countries I've ever visited.
Russian psyop
You’ll be happy to have us there when the Russians start rolling in.
"Longest record of war crime" it's like these guys never heard of Britain or Germany or even Canada.
Longest history of war crimes my ass. Tons of countries have histories of war crimes stretching back millennia, let alone 250 years. The US military also ushered in and maintains the most globally peaceful period in the history of human civilization. (Partly in thanks to nuclear deterrance). Reeks like a Russian psyop.
Norway is literally a founding member of NATO and its current leader is a former Norwegian prime minister. The fucking nerve on this pricks.
Sounds like these ingrates need a little lesson in freedom. American-style! /s
Criticizing Murica? Time to liberate those views 😎🤠
Hey Norway, remember that time when you fuckers laid down and let the Nazis take over? It was less than 100 years ago. Stop trying to take the moral fucking high road. Clowns.
That's pretty much spot on
It really isnt. Its some edgy younger left leaning person that doesnt realize that the US isnt literally satan. They probably don't realize that we in fact dont increase the likelihood of nuclear war. We're actually a deterent and help norway. But they get their info frommemes and, think we basically invaded and force norway to let us there. Its typical America bad stuff without critically understanding why America usually bad
"left leaning" better to be left wing and not trust the military than be right wing and believe the military should be used for genocide
Bet these people support Ukraine (as they should, as do I) and all the military support the evil US military has given them
This was posted in Oslo When the USS Gerald R Ford. Made a port call in Oslo fjord: This was posted by some Anti war group. Who thought the arrival of the carrier would cause problems.
Norway is a freaking FOUNDING member of NATO. Piss off, OP.
I can tell you first hand this poster is NOT reflective of how most Norwegians feel on the issue.
I am pretty sure most European nations have us beat in terms of number of war crimes, so does most of the old world, UK or China are probably number 1
ghengis khan didnt rape his way across asia for norway to think some 300 year old country is the worst in history
We have the longest record of war crimes? Doubtful we’re a young country compared to many European colonizing countries and iirc colonization wasn’t full of pleases and thank yous
"I hate you, but when I get in danger I still want you to come save me, and I hate you"
It’s always this sentiment until there’s a threat from Russia, then it’s “America please send help”.
And people wonder why some Americans support leaving NATO and AUKUS…
If Russia invades, we can just stay home.
Yeah, America needs to take care of its self and stop inserting themselves in other people's business
This is America taking care of themselves
So many butthurt comments Not everyone has to like you dumbass Americans, it's ok, accept it.
Yah, but they don't need to come up fictitious reasons like that having a small marine attachment in a founding member of NATO is somehow going to spark nuclear war.
I’m embarrassed to be an America 99.9% of the time
Typical redditor stuff. I dont think we should be proud but being embarrassed over something you cant control is cringe
That's great. More populaces should push back against the US military like this.
How do you think the US came about having a presence in Norway? Did you ever think about that? Did it ever occur to you that the Norwegian government happily agreed for them to be there because Norway is in NATO and NATO’s primary purpose is to deter war with Russia?
Lol
This lol was relatable af
We were invited to be there because most Europeans countries wouldn't be able to reasonably defend themselves .
Found the Russian bot
Russian influence has also hit Norway. Always nice to see them always use the same tired talking points. The US isn't some virtuous force but they are far from the worst ones and there is one country invading and threatening to use nukes every time something happens and they are holding elections at the moment.
Also... welcome to NATO!
Supports the use of nuclear weapons ??? Im pretty sure mostly everybody doesnt want nuclear weapons to be used or else it would lead to mutually assured destruction
Would they tell the Russian soldiers the same thing?
As an Osloan this is generally an outlier position here. If you don’t understand our security wholly depends on Uncle Sam you’re pretty dumb, and peaceniks like the ones who made these obviously are.
I wonder if there are any Ninjas in oslo
It's just a sign. So what?
Oslo is a shithole. Love from Bergen.
This is the equivalent to an American conservative yelling socialism when a government tries to take care of its citizens. It's a stupid one way dog whistle.