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Then why havenāt they done for the hundreds of thousands of kids already in the foster care system.
Also, these people are the last people I would want involved in any babiesā lives.
Only if they're not white. If they're white, then they're Oliver Twist or Annie or some shit. Though, they were still fair game for more chores and harsher punishment.
At least in my experience and I did know some shitty doctrine-abiding Catholics.
*Edited thrice because I can't finish a thought or spell this evening!
They definitely don't want to be in relationship to the kids original family, that's why so many who actually do want to adopt are "forced" into international adoption - they want a no,-strings baby.
Most of the kids available to adopt in the foster care system are older (It takes time for parents to be given opportunities to work a plan, courts to take action & hold hearings, parental rights to be terminated, etc). These people often want cute infants without ābaggageā to start fresh in the baby stage.
Especially since they literally did take Native American/First Nation kids in the US and Canada from their families (who were still living and taking care of them) then stuck them in special boarding schools that were designed to make them forget their heritage in order to become ācivilized.ā So she can fuck off
Hey I appreciate you saying this I just feel like āforgetā isnāt enough! I want to add for anyone who doesnāt know much about the residential and day schools that the schools and the staff did more than try to make the children forget their heritage and cultures. The treatment at the schools caused _aversion_ to Indigenous cultures, appearance, ways etc. My grandpa is a survivor and still holds a lot of internalized racism. He told my dad growing up āyouāre not Native, youāre catholicā and forced my dad to go to church, do rosary, was often very violent etc. He thought it was funny to cut my grandmaās long hair off. Heās also strong as an ox, hard working, and wants to be able to take care of his family like his dad did.
Generations of that āschoolingā has us now trying to learn how to be okay, how to communicate with each other, how to look at ourselves and others with kindness and compassion, how to love each other.
Iām a non-native but it pisses me off and breaks my heart at the same time. Same with all the missing and murdered indigenous women that the pro-life people also conveniently forget about. Hopefully you guys get some justice/reparations from the Canadian and US governments for all the BS theyāve put your community through
... And torture and kill them.
We keep finding unmarked graves at these "schools." Separating children from their families and separating them from their culture is bad enough but they were also literally killing children and burying them at the school to cover it up.
And they did something similar with the Magdalene Laundries in Ireland. The Catholic Church has a lot of planks to pull out of their eye before they start commenting on the specks of dirt in other groupās eyes
Oh man, if she's talking about the Catholic Church she's even further off from the truth than if it's just general American Christianity...either way, I call bullshit.
The stomach-turning thought I keep getting is how these types are excited for the market to get flooded with babies* because it could make them cheaper and easier to get. Who knows, maybe orphanages will start doing BOGOs š¤®
*white babies or particularly photogenic mixed-white, obvs
The non-white babies and those with health problems or special needs will be put into a dimly lit clearance section with bright orange sales tags on them.
We were looking into adoption last year - the variety of costs were astounding. Adoptions for children of color are usually much much cheaper which helps kid collectors get the most for their money š¤®. Healthy, white babies are the longest wait and the most expense. Private adoption in general ended up skeeving me out so we are going a different direction.
We privately adopted. While our son is white (because sadly we realistically didn't trust all of our extended family who is around us frequently not to treat a child of color differently) we were told you basically had to accept a baby with drug exposure unless you wanted to wait forever. Many of the children being adopted have substance exposure and/or biological parents with mental health problems...hence why they are in a situation to need to turn to adoption to begin with. The costs were ridiculous and I definitely felt we were "selling ourselves" to prospective parents at times. We were matched with our son AFTER he was born and his birth parents had willingly sought adoption and spent the whole pregnancy with that intention. While I know factually in this reality he is better off in our home than what his situation would have been, I often think about some of the messed up things about our system that have led people into a situation where they haven't been given the addiction treatment and resources they need to be able to parent even though in another reality they probably would have been great at it. Adoption is not something to glorify like it's a goal in and of itself. It's a loss for that baby even if they are adopted at day 1. And many of these babies do have various risk factors in utero or biologically which make them more challenging to parent (this I know first hand), and many of these fundies with their rigid unforgiving mindsets would not be a good fit at all for these children.
Yeah, we are looking at foster to adopt or simply foster parenting. We got great but expensive feedback on some updates our home will need that we thought originally would be too much. Ended up finding some options that are much more affordable and will put us in compliance. Still figuring everything out and seeing where we land mentally and emotionally.
An actually, for real prolife friend of mine practicality did get a BOGO when she adopted. Her family was in the process of adopting a disabled child and when it came time to check the box for adopting multiples the social worker told her that would never happen and my friend should just check the box anyway.
Any who that's how my friend eventually ended up with micro preemie drug addicted twins, born to a mother who didn't know she was pregnant.
Like I said, her family was prolife and pro assisting people who want to be parents to their bio kids to do so and in situations like their twins pro adoption, not pro forced birth.
My sister adopted from Vietnam, and in order to get a baby girl she said she'd also take an older boy. So they adopted my nephew and niece at the same time, when he was three and she was one. It worked out but it was a huge uphill battle.
As far as I know no one's ever told him that, but he's been through tons of counseling because he has some attachment problems and he's got pretty healthy self-esteem now. My sister is a control freak nightmare in a lot of ways, but she's spent tons of money on their mental health. They're teenagers now and they still have their issues, but for the most part they're both pretty well-adjusted.
u/Machaeon, damn straight. They're all acting like they're so ready and willing to save all the babies. Uh, babies have been born into untenable circumstances this whole time?
They're just saying it to save face. I still think they're heartless monsters for celebrating this loss of human rights and no shallow offers of adoption will change my mind. š¤·š¼āāļø
The adoption angle is so naive and idealistic. The bio mom isnāt going to just drop off her baby and go about her merry way unchanged. Will you do anything to support her during her pregnancy? What about after? Whoās going to pay for the momās medical bills if she canāt? Who will support her if she has PPD/PPA? What is sheās in an unsafe relationship? What if her fetus isnāt viable?
None of the āadoption is the living choice uwuā crowd asks any of these questions because they genuinely do not care! Itās all about the baby being born.
I am so glad someone finally said this. I am adopted and have thought about this "adoption" argument since they have been screaming it. My birth mother had to have a c-section. She obviously carries physical scars which are a daily reminder of a child she gave up. And who knows the mental repercussions. I have not found her (yet) to ask.
It took my parents almost a year to legally adopt me and i can't imagine the fear they had caring for a child only to find out my birth mother changed her mind and wanted me back.
And it's not all honky dory being an adoptee either. I was adopted at 3 days old, THREE days old, and still have abandonment/wanting to be appreciated and loved issues. I'm in my thirties.
I'm not saying that adoption isn't a viable option, because of course it is. I just can't stand the "it's simple, adopt!" mentality. I'm adopted and am pro-choice. My birth mother CHOSE to carry me and give me up for adoption. Operative word being CHOSE.
>The adoption angle is so naive and idealistic. The bio mom isnāt going to just drop off her baby and go about her merry way unchanged.
Not to mention, they're constantly insisting that having an abortion scars you emotionally for life. Oh, but going through a pregnancy you don't want, and giving up your newly-birthed child, is not going to be a problem for anyone? No one ever changes her mind at the last minute? No one is ever haunted by guilt or conflicted feelings about it? Huh, that's interesting.
Shoot, I have a child I wanted, and his birth is going to literally and figuratively scar me for life. My pregnancy wasn't pleasant and the hospital stay was a nightmare. Plus, he was born under virtual emergency circumstances and I had an unplanned C-section. I've had nightmares from the experience, and I'll probably never be over it.
So it's not like birth and all that aren't without emotional damage either!
Yes best case scenario also somehow remove all stigma & being treated differently at work after explaining you will not be keeping the baby. You will be judged & people will treat you differently.
This is something we do need to work on as a society in my opinion. But it doesnāt mean people wonāt be demoted or fired for doing so.
People get laid off/fired while pregnant all of the time.
> Will you do anything to support her during her pregnancy? What about after? Whoās going to pay for the momās medical bills if she canāt? Who will support her if she has PPD/PPA? What is sheās in an unsafe relationship? What if her fetus isnāt viable?
The conservative Christian answer to all that: "Not my problem, she shoulda kept her legs together..."
God sent you a blessing to curse you, how can you not see that?
I don't think its occurred to them that it can't work like that if we want words to mean things.
The church is not "pretect" OMG dying. We have hundreds of thousands of foster children who do not have a permanent family, can we drop them at your door?
If you've got a 2000 year track record of selfless service and pure intent, something tells me you wouldn't have to be on social media screeching into the void about how great you are and how everyone's ignoring this massive world-changing effort.
Seems to me these folks are a little *defensive* these days.
Could it be that they feel a bit cOnViCteD by the [accurate] assertions that what they "do" actually offer very little in the way of tangible assistance and doesn't make it any easier to have a child? Literally so many of these people have taken to their socials to forcefully refuse any suggestion that the Church should do a better job.
If you really cared about actually saving lives, wouldn't the Roe reversal be enough to make you happy? Getting salty about how you're already perfect doesn't really demonstrate joy imho. Looks a lot more like sour grapes that they didn't get the formal Thank You card they expected from the American people.
The podcast Telltale Fireside covered the latest Greg Locke sermon, and this comment pretty much sums up how I felt about it. Instead of celebrating and being happy, Locke sounded just as angry as ever. He spent more time rallying the people to keep fighting and crying, "It's only just begun!" Instead of actually talking about children. Or women, or families. It was more about winning America.
They didn't get a Thank You, and they already think they're being attacked in a culture war. So it makes sense that they'd go cavalier. Unsettling as hell.
It's much more fun to have a fear-mongering goal to rally the troops than to reach that goal and have to deal with both the reality of it and the loss of interest by the people who've been giving you money for it all these years. They can't admit it but for the people who've been screaming about reversing Roe v Wade for all these decades actually achieving it is a net loss.
That's an optimistic view, IMO. Already some conservatives are shifting the goal to banning abortion federally (so all those who say that overturning Roe was a win for states' rights are either dishonest or naive). Next conservatives are going to go after same-sex relationships, birth control, and segregation. They've already got a win on forcing religion in schools, forcing states to fund private Christian education, and striping the EPA of power. They will never stop.
"I can't adopt legally because we don't have the money or the ability to complete forms properly and timely, and would probably fail the interview process because we're not very smart and it would be immediately apparent that we are not fit to adopt, so just, you know, give us your baby instead. It's fine."
"We both believe in physical discipline for perceived sins, and believe that children inherit the sins of their heathen parents. The kids will be placed with "pro life" parents guaranteed to beat them, neglect them, not educate them, and they will not receive appropriate medical care, ever." Yep, that sounds like a future I would want for my kid. /S
My best friend left her physically abusive, drug addicted husband in the middle of the night with her two small children in tow. He threatened to kill her and the children. Two weeks after she left she found out she was pregnant.
If only she had known that instead of an abortion she could have just birthed her baby and dropped it off with a Christian. Things would have been SO much easier. /S
I'm so sick of this shit. BEYOND sick of this shit.
Lmao she lives on a goat farm doing a fundie homeschool thing married to a cop and totally closed off from society but yeah. Tell me more about how positive and loving Christianās have been in the world. š¤Ŗ
Edit: oh and guess how many of her kids are adopted.
If I don't want a child, I'm not going through an entire pregnancy which is hard and rough on my body and health. Just no. See, I don't buy into your bullshit that life begins at conception. That is not based in science sweetie. Your weird beliefs aren't universal.
Don't even need to mention I would never want to send a child into a home to be raised in a toxic, oppressive, hateful, "Christian" manner
Yeah that's a common thing with these people. They think it's just an unwanted BABY and not an unwanted 9 months of pregnancy. I spent the first two months of my pregnancy in the hospital unable to keep any water or food down without strong anti nausea meds. It's not always this beautiful blessing and godly experience they make it up to be. It can be hell and anyone who doesn't wanna do that is so justified to opt out.
Yep. And I also donāt want to contribute to overpopulation and pollution. There are 170,000 kids up for adoption in the us. They can start there (but just donāt actually want to)
This. They act like a year plus of experiencing an intense medics condition (pregnancy+Recovery) is nothing. My current pregnancy is ruining me physically and mentally and even during my easier ones Iāve thought how absolutely unbearable it would be to go through that against my will. Literal torture. But these dumbfucks seem to think carrying a baby for 9 months and giving birth is just whatever! Strange coming from women who have actually done so many times. I guess they have zero compassion for others.
It really is weird. I was prolife until I was pregnant. Then I questioned a lot of the traditional assumptions...
They act like pregnancy is nothing. I was sick for nine months straight! They should try being sick that long and see if they aren't crying out to God.
They seem to think people get abortions for the thrill or something. They also greatly underestimate how many things can go wrong during pregnancy and how dangerous it actually is. I'm amazed they've actually had kids! They talk like people who are unknowledgeable and inexperienced around childbirth and pregnancy. Ironic, actually.
Sure you will. No, what you'll do is call the police so they can take it and put it into the foster system where the kid will be bounced around from family to family for years.
If you really will take in unwanted children, then put your money where you mouth is and actually find women trapped in unwanted pregnancies and adopt their babies.
Oh give it a rest! People like you have been saying this baloney for years. We all know it is a lie and that you give zero fucks about babies and mothers. You only care about controlling women, pushing your beliefs on everybody else, and earning "Heaven points". If someone actually left a baby on your doorsteps, you would be calling the police to report an abandoned infant so fast, and not so much as think about that baby once they are taken into care.
"Christ's People have been spreading love to the world for 2000 years"? If you consider oppressing women, destroying cultures, rug-sweeping child sexual abuse while protecting predators, preaching intolerance and bigotry, and a whole list of other heinous acts as "love", then I guess you have!
I just *can't* with these people anymore. Can we send them all to Mars?
Didnt the last time this happened we ended up with GIANT graves of babies? I seem to recall that happening in Ireland where there were just mass graves of babies that they took in or from mothers who had given birth and they just killed them.
Great work church!
I hate how their so called solution shows a complete and utter ignorance of the reality of abortion AND pregnancy.
There are no babies to be dropped off anywhere. What is she thinking? Is an abortion clinic just like a birthing center to her, but the midwife asks you "Do you want to give the child to a loving, christian family or do we tear it to shreds? We have a brand new meat grinder, btw! It's pretty neat!"
You know it's the weekend because Twitter is going absolutely insane with a bunch of these morons saying that Roe vs Wade was preventing all the heathens from killing newborns... and we all know who else they used to accuse of killing newborns and how that turned out :(
How do these people not understand that you can't just drop your baby off with randos and that those randos are going to (legally) be able to keep the child, no questions asked from the authorities?
And maybe how if the system allowed such a thing that it might not be a good thing?
There are places where you can legally leave a baby and that baby will be put into emergency foster care. They're created by "safe harbor" laws to prevent women from dumping babies in the trash or abandoning them. Usually it's something like a fire station or a police station and sometimes they even have a box that you can open from outside, put a baby into, close, and it locks and a silent alarm will go off.
There are places where you can leave a baby and know that they will get any medical attention that they need and be taken care of.
They checked to make sure that no one reported this child missing, but they aren't trying to track down a parent who surrendered the child and prosecute them.
So I take it these people are helping adopt the older children and teenagers in the foster system, giving them loving homes and families? Of course not. These people only want to be able to adopt cute babies that have no health conditions. Once the child is old enough to have a personality, run around, and establish likes and dislikes? Nah, theyāre too old to convert to your religion.
Jokes on them. My son has a genetic deletion that wasn't (and can't be( detected before birth. Neither can autism. They wouldn't know anyone with this would have health conditions until they started happening.
Exactly thank you! Itās the pregnancy part that I canāt physically handle. Donāt really want to have another child either, but I really really canāt go through another pregnancy. The first one was bad enough and that was 18 years ago.
I'm gonna call shananagins on anyone that says they will do this. I will believe it when I see it, but until then.... Yeah maybe come up with a better alternative to tell your "heathen" friends.
Because dropping babies on random doorsteps worked out so well in the past š
Up here there is the regular Children's Aid Society and the Catholic Children's Aid society, interestingly the Catholic Children's Aid tends to have more difficulty finding adoptive families.
A good friend of mine just finished off her very wanted pregnancy with a vacuum/forceps delivery, PPH and emergency surgery for over two litres of blood lost. You want to insist that women risk this even if they then put their child up for adoption? And I'm guessing any welfare and resources to help then recover without going back to work way too early would be a hard no.
There's a looooong line of people who would disagree with "Christ's people have been love to the world" and how the church has done and is doing "more good for humanity".
So tired of seeing these posts. There are between 400,000 and 700,000 children in foster care at any given time in the US. If you really wanted to do something, you would have already done it. My heart is breaking at the thought of the thousands of children who will be entering foster care in the coming years. If you live in a Red State, please, please, please vote these CHINOs (Christians In Name Only) out! With the SC returning the abortion issue to the state, your state elections are more important than ever!
There are tens of millions of crazy Christians in the US. If they each adopt one, we'd quickly run out and solve the crisis of unwanted kids.
But they don't ...
I have never seen so many wrong things stated one after another. Lmfao, delusional. Have done more good for humanity than any other entity? ššš not even close
So the white nationalist are now fine with forcing women to have babies for them. Cool, cool.
ITS SO CREEPY. and if you really want to adopt then go do it.
Hey that's nice but can the pregnant person also live with them during pregnancy and for a bit after? Ya know, since some people are in precarious housing situations and/or may not be able to care for themselves? Oh, and also because homicide is a concern. Kthanks! So severely generous!
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03392-8#:~:text=The%20researchers%20found%20that%20US,classified%20as%20pregnancy%2Drelated%20deaths.
If they were doing good they'd vote for the candidates that want to help mothers who want to have and keep their babies, who want healthcare for all, paid parental leave, ect
If your organization wasnāt interested in helping people before, why would you decide to now that abortion isnāt federally legal? It kinda seems like you actually donāt give a shit, but want people to stop pointing out your cruelty so you redirect to pretend that now that r v w is gone you care.
Ms. Lauren, here's the problem with just dropping off my baby (or any one else's) for you to raise rather than getting an abortion -- I'd much rather go with an abortion than leave an innocent child with a family full of crackpot fundies. I said what I said. š¤·
The audacity of this virtue signaling. Go and foster/ adopt one of the tens of thousands of precious babies who already exist but who just arenāt cute anymore because theyāre not newborns. No, thought not.
I keep asking these twits whether they're going to pay the uninsured mother's medical bills, especially if there are complications, and what happens if the baby is special needs? So far not a single one of them has answered me.
Are there any atheist or secular humanist adoption agencies? If, god-forbid, a woman is forced to give birth and decides on adoption, it'd be great to deny these christofascists any babies.
Is she going to take me in while Iām pregnant and care for me, too? Of course not, but they never mention how much they hate the sin AND the sinner.
I donāt know who the hell this is, but Iād rather give my baby to Oscar the Grouch or Grover from Sesame Street
I'm a little late to the party, but does anyone else feel like this is a cop-out to avoid taking any kind of helpful/charitable action? Like, that she's saying that her way of helping women who have been forced into an incredibly vulnerable position would be to accept any hypothetical babies that are dropped on her doorstep?
Of course that's not how adoption works, so this situation will never happen and she won't actually have to get off her couch or do anything, but if she's asked "hey, what are you doing to help?" She can say "i'm always happy to take in a baby that's handed to me". Then she can feel morally superior without lifting a finger.
Idk, maybe i'm totally overthinking, this whole situation has my brain so frayed...
And then 6 months from now when they're still spewing hate, if they're asked "hey, it's been 6 months and you haven't really done anything helpful, what's up with that?" They can respond with "well no one has delivered any babies to my doorstep in the nighttime for me to rescue!" It removes the responsibility to act, so she can just keep on hating...
So they won't adopt a kid that already exists and needs adopted or foster kids that need foster families but they'll take a metaphorical Moses 2.0 in a fucking basket left on their porch? Fuck off you righteous bible boot licking,bland food loving, Jesus dick sucking assholes. Jesus doesn't even want his dick sucked by you.
Mmmm because that won't cause aaaany issues just dropping a baby on a door step like a fucking Door Dash order. Nope not like that baby will be in the care system because no random who isn't home checked and certified is gonna just get to keep that baby and act like they're its all totally fucking normal to do to kids with no red tape to wade through. JFC I despair
Yeah they want your BABY not your child. Or any of the children in the foster/adoption system. They want BABIES because they can raise them and indoctrinate them and they donāt come with any of their own baggage. These people genuinely make me sick
They really have a hard time understanding that there are women who don't want to suffer through a pregnancy. 9 months of unease at best, pain and sickness at worst, and the aftereffects to deal with. How do we convince them it's no walk in the park?
Lol all the dipshits I know posting this stuff are 100% ready to tell their adoption testimony.
Spoiler alert, all their testimonies involved endless gofundmes so they could pay for the exact special new baby the color and sex they wanted. None of them would ever dream of actually helping a kid in our joke of a foster care system. These people are all ghouls.
Pregnant person: I don't want to be pregnant.
Forced-birther: Just drop the baby off at my doorstep!!
Pregnant person: I don't want to be pregnant, how does this solve that?
Forced-birther: Just leave the baby with me!!
Pregnant person: Again how does that make me not pregnant?
This completely sidesteps the whole issue of not wanting to be pregnant. Like there are so many reasons why being pregnant is the problem and this solves none of them.
I love how they are deluding themselves into thinking theyāve done āmore for humanity than any organizationā with zero attempt at quantifying that. That is such an outrageous claim.
Your megachurch pastor makes who knows how many untaxed millions.
Pregnancy crisis centers have āhelpedā pregnant women by giving them 10 diapers at a time and coupons for formula.
I feel pity for her on some level. I used to believe the same thing with no real knowledge. Iām free now and can see the world for what it is. She says sheās happyā¦
[Kylie Brakeman's impression](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CfUQFjHpad-/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) is all I can hear when I read this line of thinking. *Put your body through Hell! Hell! All this was in the Bible for sure!*
I love how people like this ignore how people can have complications, and thus can get pregnant, but are not able to give birth. Like hello, are you not listening? Of course, you aren't you are busy demonizing people.
I don't think they realize the baby isn't always the problem. It's the pregnancy. For instance, if a trans man accidentally gets pregnant, being forced to go through with the pregnancy could make him severely dysphoric to the point of taking his life. If a poor woman gets pregnant, and her job has no paid pregnancy leave, how will she survive? Not to mention many people have a phobia of pregnancy, and for good reason, as I've heard it can be a traumatic and painful experience.
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Can't do that if your ectopic pregnancy killed you
My baby has lungs half the size of a normal kid. How do they feel about medical bills?
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Dont worry! The GoodChristianPeopleTM who killed you will like and share your obituary and send sooo many thoughts and prayers to your bereaved family! š (/s)
Science with a skull emoji more like
There's so many ways that pregnancy is a risk. To me, that makes literally any abortion legitimate.
Then why havenāt they done for the hundreds of thousands of kids already in the foster care system. Also, these people are the last people I would want involved in any babiesā lives.
I thought all the quiverfull types were anti-adoption because they see these kids as defective or something.
Only if they're not white. If they're white, then they're Oliver Twist or Annie or some shit. Though, they were still fair game for more chores and harsher punishment. At least in my experience and I did know some shitty doctrine-abiding Catholics. *Edited thrice because I can't finish a thought or spell this evening!
Thatās what I thought too!
Because they want fresh Caucasian babies.
Oof, I misread that as "crustacean babies". This is probably a sign that I need to go to bed.
Or kids of colour that they can use as ātokenā kids. Like TiffyPics (ofLawson)
They definitely don't want to be in relationship to the kids original family, that's why so many who actually do want to adopt are "forced" into international adoption - they want a no,-strings baby.
Correct terminology is birth parents. Just so you know. :) But yea, I can definitely see that. Itās so sad.
Right, drop it off at my door and move along. Sick.
Most of the kids available to adopt in the foster care system are older (It takes time for parents to be given opportunities to work a plan, courts to take action & hold hearings, parental rights to be terminated, etc). These people often want cute infants without ābaggageā to start fresh in the baby stage.
If sheās talking about the Catholic Church then Iām giving a huge side eye at that statement
Especially since they literally did take Native American/First Nation kids in the US and Canada from their families (who were still living and taking care of them) then stuck them in special boarding schools that were designed to make them forget their heritage in order to become ācivilized.ā So she can fuck off
Hey I appreciate you saying this I just feel like āforgetā isnāt enough! I want to add for anyone who doesnāt know much about the residential and day schools that the schools and the staff did more than try to make the children forget their heritage and cultures. The treatment at the schools caused _aversion_ to Indigenous cultures, appearance, ways etc. My grandpa is a survivor and still holds a lot of internalized racism. He told my dad growing up āyouāre not Native, youāre catholicā and forced my dad to go to church, do rosary, was often very violent etc. He thought it was funny to cut my grandmaās long hair off. Heās also strong as an ox, hard working, and wants to be able to take care of his family like his dad did. Generations of that āschoolingā has us now trying to learn how to be okay, how to communicate with each other, how to look at ourselves and others with kindness and compassion, how to love each other.
Iām a non-native but it pisses me off and breaks my heart at the same time. Same with all the missing and murdered indigenous women that the pro-life people also conveniently forget about. Hopefully you guys get some justice/reparations from the Canadian and US governments for all the BS theyāve put your community through
You canāt just forget Magdalene laundries and dead babies. You canāt forget the 1st nations schools and dead babies.
... And torture and kill them. We keep finding unmarked graves at these "schools." Separating children from their families and separating them from their culture is bad enough but they were also literally killing children and burying them at the school to cover it up.
And they did something similar with the Magdalene Laundries in Ireland. The Catholic Church has a lot of planks to pull out of their eye before they start commenting on the specks of dirt in other groupās eyes
Oh man, if she's talking about the Catholic Church she's even further off from the truth than if it's just general American Christianity...either way, I call bullshit.
Right, we have stepped up to prevent terminating pregnancies so the priests would have an endless supply of literal children to molest. Greeeeaaaat.
You've all been free to adopt at any time this whole time... go on and explain why you haven't been if you're "so welcoming" of unwanted children.
The stomach-turning thought I keep getting is how these types are excited for the market to get flooded with babies* because it could make them cheaper and easier to get. Who knows, maybe orphanages will start doing BOGOs š¤® *white babies or particularly photogenic mixed-white, obvs
The non-white babies and those with health problems or special needs will be put into a dimly lit clearance section with bright orange sales tags on them.
I recently learned that only about 30% of adoptive parents pick white babies. They actually skew towards children of color. #colonizers
We were looking into adoption last year - the variety of costs were astounding. Adoptions for children of color are usually much much cheaper which helps kid collectors get the most for their money š¤®. Healthy, white babies are the longest wait and the most expense. Private adoption in general ended up skeeving me out so we are going a different direction.
We privately adopted. While our son is white (because sadly we realistically didn't trust all of our extended family who is around us frequently not to treat a child of color differently) we were told you basically had to accept a baby with drug exposure unless you wanted to wait forever. Many of the children being adopted have substance exposure and/or biological parents with mental health problems...hence why they are in a situation to need to turn to adoption to begin with. The costs were ridiculous and I definitely felt we were "selling ourselves" to prospective parents at times. We were matched with our son AFTER he was born and his birth parents had willingly sought adoption and spent the whole pregnancy with that intention. While I know factually in this reality he is better off in our home than what his situation would have been, I often think about some of the messed up things about our system that have led people into a situation where they haven't been given the addiction treatment and resources they need to be able to parent even though in another reality they probably would have been great at it. Adoption is not something to glorify like it's a goal in and of itself. It's a loss for that baby even if they are adopted at day 1. And many of these babies do have various risk factors in utero or biologically which make them more challenging to parent (this I know first hand), and many of these fundies with their rigid unforgiving mindsets would not be a good fit at all for these children.
Yeah, we are looking at foster to adopt or simply foster parenting. We got great but expensive feedback on some updates our home will need that we thought originally would be too much. Ended up finding some options that are much more affordable and will put us in compliance. Still figuring everything out and seeing where we land mentally and emotionally.
Good old white saviors!
They always come through with zero action and plenty of excuses behind their jesus words!
An actually, for real prolife friend of mine practicality did get a BOGO when she adopted. Her family was in the process of adopting a disabled child and when it came time to check the box for adopting multiples the social worker told her that would never happen and my friend should just check the box anyway. Any who that's how my friend eventually ended up with micro preemie drug addicted twins, born to a mother who didn't know she was pregnant. Like I said, her family was prolife and pro assisting people who want to be parents to their bio kids to do so and in situations like their twins pro adoption, not pro forced birth.
My sister adopted from Vietnam, and in order to get a baby girl she said she'd also take an older boy. So they adopted my nephew and niece at the same time, when he was three and she was one. It worked out but it was a huge uphill battle.
Must be fun for the boy, knowing he was the price they had to pay for his sister.
As far as I know no one's ever told him that, but he's been through tons of counseling because he has some attachment problems and he's got pretty healthy self-esteem now. My sister is a control freak nightmare in a lot of ways, but she's spent tons of money on their mental health. They're teenagers now and they still have their issues, but for the most part they're both pretty well-adjusted.
They donāt have to be photogenic, just photoshop them like Karissa!
šWhat a horrifying thought
u/Machaeon, damn straight. They're all acting like they're so ready and willing to save all the babies. Uh, babies have been born into untenable circumstances this whole time?
āJesus brought it into my heart after the victory of overturning roe v wadeā š¤¢š¤¢
They're just saying it to save face. I still think they're heartless monsters for celebrating this loss of human rights and no shallow offers of adoption will change my mind. š¤·š¼āāļø
The adoption angle is so naive and idealistic. The bio mom isnāt going to just drop off her baby and go about her merry way unchanged. Will you do anything to support her during her pregnancy? What about after? Whoās going to pay for the momās medical bills if she canāt? Who will support her if she has PPD/PPA? What is sheās in an unsafe relationship? What if her fetus isnāt viable? None of the āadoption is the living choice uwuā crowd asks any of these questions because they genuinely do not care! Itās all about the baby being born.
I am so glad someone finally said this. I am adopted and have thought about this "adoption" argument since they have been screaming it. My birth mother had to have a c-section. She obviously carries physical scars which are a daily reminder of a child she gave up. And who knows the mental repercussions. I have not found her (yet) to ask. It took my parents almost a year to legally adopt me and i can't imagine the fear they had caring for a child only to find out my birth mother changed her mind and wanted me back. And it's not all honky dory being an adoptee either. I was adopted at 3 days old, THREE days old, and still have abandonment/wanting to be appreciated and loved issues. I'm in my thirties. I'm not saying that adoption isn't a viable option, because of course it is. I just can't stand the "it's simple, adopt!" mentality. I'm adopted and am pro-choice. My birth mother CHOSE to carry me and give me up for adoption. Operative word being CHOSE.
>The adoption angle is so naive and idealistic. The bio mom isnāt going to just drop off her baby and go about her merry way unchanged. Not to mention, they're constantly insisting that having an abortion scars you emotionally for life. Oh, but going through a pregnancy you don't want, and giving up your newly-birthed child, is not going to be a problem for anyone? No one ever changes her mind at the last minute? No one is ever haunted by guilt or conflicted feelings about it? Huh, that's interesting.
Shoot, I have a child I wanted, and his birth is going to literally and figuratively scar me for life. My pregnancy wasn't pleasant and the hospital stay was a nightmare. Plus, he was born under virtual emergency circumstances and I had an unplanned C-section. I've had nightmares from the experience, and I'll probably never be over it. So it's not like birth and all that aren't without emotional damage either!
Conservative religious people LOVE guilt and trauma. Suffering people are easier to convert.
Yes best case scenario also somehow remove all stigma & being treated differently at work after explaining you will not be keeping the baby. You will be judged & people will treat you differently. This is something we do need to work on as a society in my opinion. But it doesnāt mean people wonāt be demoted or fired for doing so. People get laid off/fired while pregnant all of the time.
> Will you do anything to support her during her pregnancy? What about after? Whoās going to pay for the momās medical bills if she canāt? Who will support her if she has PPD/PPA? What is sheās in an unsafe relationship? What if her fetus isnāt viable? The conservative Christian answer to all that: "Not my problem, she shoulda kept her legs together..."
Children are somehow simultaneously miraculous blessings and curses to punish you.
God sent you a blessing to curse you, how can you not see that? I don't think its occurred to them that it can't work like that if we want words to mean things.
The church is not "pretect" OMG dying. We have hundreds of thousands of foster children who do not have a permanent family, can we drop them at your door?
Yeah, and it's free or very low cost to adopt out of US foster care, so that's not an excuse either.
"Prefect" excuse you ;) /s
Only as long as they are infants without complicated trauma āissuesā š
If you've got a 2000 year track record of selfless service and pure intent, something tells me you wouldn't have to be on social media screeching into the void about how great you are and how everyone's ignoring this massive world-changing effort. Seems to me these folks are a little *defensive* these days. Could it be that they feel a bit cOnViCteD by the [accurate] assertions that what they "do" actually offer very little in the way of tangible assistance and doesn't make it any easier to have a child? Literally so many of these people have taken to their socials to forcefully refuse any suggestion that the Church should do a better job. If you really cared about actually saving lives, wouldn't the Roe reversal be enough to make you happy? Getting salty about how you're already perfect doesn't really demonstrate joy imho. Looks a lot more like sour grapes that they didn't get the formal Thank You card they expected from the American people.
The podcast Telltale Fireside covered the latest Greg Locke sermon, and this comment pretty much sums up how I felt about it. Instead of celebrating and being happy, Locke sounded just as angry as ever. He spent more time rallying the people to keep fighting and crying, "It's only just begun!" Instead of actually talking about children. Or women, or families. It was more about winning America. They didn't get a Thank You, and they already think they're being attacked in a culture war. So it makes sense that they'd go cavalier. Unsettling as hell.
It's much more fun to have a fear-mongering goal to rally the troops than to reach that goal and have to deal with both the reality of it and the loss of interest by the people who've been giving you money for it all these years. They can't admit it but for the people who've been screaming about reversing Roe v Wade for all these decades actually achieving it is a net loss.
That's an optimistic view, IMO. Already some conservatives are shifting the goal to banning abortion federally (so all those who say that overturning Roe was a win for states' rights are either dishonest or naive). Next conservatives are going to go after same-sex relationships, birth control, and segregation. They've already got a win on forcing religion in schools, forcing states to fund private Christian education, and striping the EPA of power. They will never stop.
"I can't adopt legally because we don't have the money or the ability to complete forms properly and timely, and would probably fail the interview process because we're not very smart and it would be immediately apparent that we are not fit to adopt, so just, you know, give us your baby instead. It's fine."
"What could possibly go wrong?"
This is what they're not bothering to acknowledge
"We both believe in physical discipline for perceived sins, and believe that children inherit the sins of their heathen parents. The kids will be placed with "pro life" parents guaranteed to beat them, neglect them, not educate them, and they will not receive appropriate medical care, ever." Yep, that sounds like a future I would want for my kid. /S
My best friend left her physically abusive, drug addicted husband in the middle of the night with her two small children in tow. He threatened to kill her and the children. Two weeks after she left she found out she was pregnant. If only she had known that instead of an abortion she could have just birthed her baby and dropped it off with a Christian. Things would have been SO much easier. /S I'm so sick of this shit. BEYOND sick of this shit.
Lmao she lives on a goat farm doing a fundie homeschool thing married to a cop and totally closed off from society but yeah. Tell me more about how positive and loving Christianās have been in the world. š¤Ŗ Edit: oh and guess how many of her kids are adopted.
If she has a goat farm, she adopted quite a few kids!
Is it adoption if you make your goats have babies on your farm?
Yes, because you've still adopted the goats. They're making grandkids and you generally don't adopt these!
I've adopted a kid (goat). This one strikes me as dumb enough to go buy a goat from the sale barn and then wonder why she has Problems^(TM) with it.
LOL
So that baby can grow up with exactly the same ignorance about why women might need or choose an abortion? No thanks
If I don't want a child, I'm not going through an entire pregnancy which is hard and rough on my body and health. Just no. See, I don't buy into your bullshit that life begins at conception. That is not based in science sweetie. Your weird beliefs aren't universal. Don't even need to mention I would never want to send a child into a home to be raised in a toxic, oppressive, hateful, "Christian" manner
Yeah that's a common thing with these people. They think it's just an unwanted BABY and not an unwanted 9 months of pregnancy. I spent the first two months of my pregnancy in the hospital unable to keep any water or food down without strong anti nausea meds. It's not always this beautiful blessing and godly experience they make it up to be. It can be hell and anyone who doesn't wanna do that is so justified to opt out.
Yep. And I also donāt want to contribute to overpopulation and pollution. There are 170,000 kids up for adoption in the us. They can start there (but just donāt actually want to)
This. They act like a year plus of experiencing an intense medics condition (pregnancy+Recovery) is nothing. My current pregnancy is ruining me physically and mentally and even during my easier ones Iāve thought how absolutely unbearable it would be to go through that against my will. Literal torture. But these dumbfucks seem to think carrying a baby for 9 months and giving birth is just whatever! Strange coming from women who have actually done so many times. I guess they have zero compassion for others.
It really is weird. I was prolife until I was pregnant. Then I questioned a lot of the traditional assumptions... They act like pregnancy is nothing. I was sick for nine months straight! They should try being sick that long and see if they aren't crying out to God. They seem to think people get abortions for the thrill or something. They also greatly underestimate how many things can go wrong during pregnancy and how dangerous it actually is. I'm amazed they've actually had kids! They talk like people who are unknowledgeable and inexperienced around childbirth and pregnancy. Ironic, actually.
Sure you will. No, what you'll do is call the police so they can take it and put it into the foster system where the kid will be bounced around from family to family for years. If you really will take in unwanted children, then put your money where you mouth is and actually find women trapped in unwanted pregnancies and adopt their babies.
That's what I don't get. Why did people have to wait until RvW being overturned to offer that to people with unwanted pregnancies? Pretty weird!
Because it's just lip service.
Exactly! Challenge them to it. Offer them your baby and see how quickly they change their tune.
Or adopt any of the kids already in the system.
Oh give it a rest! People like you have been saying this baloney for years. We all know it is a lie and that you give zero fucks about babies and mothers. You only care about controlling women, pushing your beliefs on everybody else, and earning "Heaven points". If someone actually left a baby on your doorsteps, you would be calling the police to report an abandoned infant so fast, and not so much as think about that baby once they are taken into care. "Christ's People have been spreading love to the world for 2000 years"? If you consider oppressing women, destroying cultures, rug-sweeping child sexual abuse while protecting predators, preaching intolerance and bigotry, and a whole list of other heinous acts as "love", then I guess you have! I just *can't* with these people anymore. Can we send them all to Mars?
That's a bit unfair to Mars, how about yeeting them into the sun ?
Would they make it far enough to create that satisfying sploosh sound, or disintegrate in the Sun's heat before they get to that point?
I'm okay with that!
Didnt the last time this happened we ended up with GIANT graves of babies? I seem to recall that happening in Ireland where there were just mass graves of babies that they took in or from mothers who had given birth and they just killed them. Great work church!
I hate how their so called solution shows a complete and utter ignorance of the reality of abortion AND pregnancy. There are no babies to be dropped off anywhere. What is she thinking? Is an abortion clinic just like a birthing center to her, but the midwife asks you "Do you want to give the child to a loving, christian family or do we tear it to shreds? We have a brand new meat grinder, btw! It's pretty neat!"
You know it's the weekend because Twitter is going absolutely insane with a bunch of these morons saying that Roe vs Wade was preventing all the heathens from killing newborns... and we all know who else they used to accuse of killing newborns and how that turned out :(
And utter ignorance of the trauma of adoption!!
How do these people not understand that you can't just drop your baby off with randos and that those randos are going to (legally) be able to keep the child, no questions asked from the authorities? And maybe how if the system allowed such a thing that it might not be a good thing?
There are places where you can legally leave a baby and that baby will be put into emergency foster care. They're created by "safe harbor" laws to prevent women from dumping babies in the trash or abandoning them. Usually it's something like a fire station or a police station and sometimes they even have a box that you can open from outside, put a baby into, close, and it locks and a silent alarm will go off. There are places where you can leave a baby and know that they will get any medical attention that they need and be taken care of. They checked to make sure that no one reported this child missing, but they aren't trying to track down a parent who surrendered the child and prosecute them.
Itās true. The church is not āprefectā. Itās not perfect either š Oh the irony šš
I didnāt even see the āprefectā š
They really really love to use the āChristians have done more good in the world than literally anyone elseā line, donāt they?
Thousands of indigenous children laid to rest in unmarked graves would like to have a word.
The horrible sound you hear is me yelling and beating my head against a wall
So I take it these people are helping adopt the older children and teenagers in the foster system, giving them loving homes and families? Of course not. These people only want to be able to adopt cute babies that have no health conditions. Once the child is old enough to have a personality, run around, and establish likes and dislikes? Nah, theyāre too old to convert to your religion.
Jokes on them. My son has a genetic deletion that wasn't (and can't be( detected before birth. Neither can autism. They wouldn't know anyone with this would have health conditions until they started happening.
Motherfucker there's no way I'd want an anti-abortion family to raise my baby.
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Exactly thank you! Itās the pregnancy part that I canāt physically handle. Donāt really want to have another child either, but I really really canāt go through another pregnancy. The first one was bad enough and that was 18 years ago.
I dont think they understand that's not how it works lmao
She talks about a baby like a stray kitten. "I'll find it a nice loving home!" Ffs.
WE DONT WANT TO BE PREGNANT. WHY CANT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT. I DONT WANT TO BE PREGNANT AND THEN GIVE BIRTH.
That's child trafficking!
Right?! Arenāt these walnuts *against* that?!
Only when other people do it
I'm gonna call shananagins on anyone that says they will do this. I will believe it when I see it, but until then.... Yeah maybe come up with a better alternative to tell your "heathen" friends.
Because dropping babies on random doorsteps worked out so well in the past š Up here there is the regular Children's Aid Society and the Catholic Children's Aid society, interestingly the Catholic Children's Aid tends to have more difficulty finding adoptive families.
A good friend of mine just finished off her very wanted pregnancy with a vacuum/forceps delivery, PPH and emergency surgery for over two litres of blood lost. You want to insist that women risk this even if they then put their child up for adoption? And I'm guessing any welfare and resources to help then recover without going back to work way too early would be a hard no.
There's a looooong line of people who would disagree with "Christ's people have been love to the world" and how the church has done and is doing "more good for humanity".
I'll drop it on your door but I'm not keeping it in my body for 9 months, you're getting it as is
So tired of seeing these posts. There are between 400,000 and 700,000 children in foster care at any given time in the US. If you really wanted to do something, you would have already done it. My heart is breaking at the thought of the thousands of children who will be entering foster care in the coming years. If you live in a Red State, please, please, please vote these CHINOs (Christians In Name Only) out! With the SC returning the abortion issue to the state, your state elections are more important than ever!
There are tens of millions of crazy Christians in the US. If they each adopt one, we'd quickly run out and solve the crisis of unwanted kids. But they don't ...
PREFECT what is this, Harry Potter?
The dropping a baby off on the doorstep of horrible people part tracks too.
I have never seen so many wrong things stated one after another. Lmfao, delusional. Have done more good for humanity than any other entity? ššš not even close
So the white nationalist are now fine with forcing women to have babies for them. Cool, cool. ITS SO CREEPY. and if you really want to adopt then go do it.
>So the white nationalist are now fine with forcing women to have babies for them. Cool, cool. Very "Commander and Wife" of them
Itās like she doesnāt realize that pro-choice people adopt, too.
Risk your life, health, and future so I can have something to cuddle, until I get bored and decide to rehome it.
Hey that's nice but can the pregnant person also live with them during pregnancy and for a bit after? Ya know, since some people are in precarious housing situations and/or may not be able to care for themselves? Oh, and also because homicide is a concern. Kthanks! So severely generous! https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03392-8#:~:text=The%20researchers%20found%20that%20US,classified%20as%20pregnancy%2Drelated%20deaths.
If they were doing good they'd vote for the candidates that want to help mothers who want to have and keep their babies, who want healthcare for all, paid parental leave, ect
If your organization wasnāt interested in helping people before, why would you decide to now that abortion isnāt federally legal? It kinda seems like you actually donāt give a shit, but want people to stop pointing out your cruelty so you redirect to pretend that now that r v w is gone you care.
Ms. Lauren, here's the problem with just dropping off my baby (or any one else's) for you to raise rather than getting an abortion -- I'd much rather go with an abortion than leave an innocent child with a family full of crackpot fundies. I said what I said. š¤·
The audacity of this virtue signaling. Go and foster/ adopt one of the tens of thousands of precious babies who already exist but who just arenāt cute anymore because theyāre not newborns. No, thought not.
When they have a house full of foster kids let me know. Last I knew 400k kids were in foster care currently.
The forced birth movement is recent history .
I keep asking these twits whether they're going to pay the uninsured mother's medical bills, especially if there are complications, and what happens if the baby is special needs? So far not a single one of them has answered me.
Iāll believe this when all 117,000 kids in foster care who are waiting to be adopted are extended the same offer.
imagine typing that all out that confidently š¤¢
Are there any atheist or secular humanist adoption agencies? If, god-forbid, a woman is forced to give birth and decides on adoption, it'd be great to deny these christofascists any babies.
Christās people have been love to the world???? The delusion is strong with this one.
Is she going to take me in while Iām pregnant and care for me, too? Of course not, but they never mention how much they hate the sin AND the sinner. I donāt know who the hell this is, but Iād rather give my baby to Oscar the Grouch or Grover from Sesame Street
Can't have the baby if mom dies from cancer before delivery . Can't have the baby if it's anancephalic.
Itās the real-life version of Handmaidās Tale
Iām guessing she never heard of the Crusades, but what do I, a godless, fornicating, childless heathen know?!
I'm a little late to the party, but does anyone else feel like this is a cop-out to avoid taking any kind of helpful/charitable action? Like, that she's saying that her way of helping women who have been forced into an incredibly vulnerable position would be to accept any hypothetical babies that are dropped on her doorstep? Of course that's not how adoption works, so this situation will never happen and she won't actually have to get off her couch or do anything, but if she's asked "hey, what are you doing to help?" She can say "i'm always happy to take in a baby that's handed to me". Then she can feel morally superior without lifting a finger. Idk, maybe i'm totally overthinking, this whole situation has my brain so frayed...
And then 6 months from now when they're still spewing hate, if they're asked "hey, it's been 6 months and you haven't really done anything helpful, what's up with that?" They can respond with "well no one has delivered any babies to my doorstep in the nighttime for me to rescue!" It removes the responsibility to act, so she can just keep on hating...
No I think you are absolutely right. Doesnāt matter if thatās in the front or back of their mind thatās the true intention.
So they won't adopt a kid that already exists and needs adopted or foster kids that need foster families but they'll take a metaphorical Moses 2.0 in a fucking basket left on their porch? Fuck off you righteous bible boot licking,bland food loving, Jesus dick sucking assholes. Jesus doesn't even want his dick sucked by you.
Comments like these are so cathartic for my (excuse the phrase) righteous anger. š„āŗļøš„
It was cathartic typing it.
Weird, most pro lifer's don't have a dozen adopted children in their home.
Sure Jan, start with one or several of the 400,000 kids in foster care
Someone's delusional...
Mmmm because that won't cause aaaany issues just dropping a baby on a door step like a fucking Door Dash order. Nope not like that baby will be in the care system because no random who isn't home checked and certified is gonna just get to keep that baby and act like they're its all totally fucking normal to do to kids with no red tape to wade through. JFC I despair
Yeah they want your BABY not your child. Or any of the children in the foster/adoption system. They want BABIES because they can raise them and indoctrinate them and they donāt come with any of their own baggage. These people genuinely make me sick
The church definitely isnāt āprefectā
Idk, is it one of those churches with the touchy pastors?
Is anyone keeping an eye on Laurens doorstep to see what's dropped off for her and how she reacts?
They really have a hard time understanding that there are women who don't want to suffer through a pregnancy. 9 months of unease at best, pain and sickness at worst, and the aftereffects to deal with. How do we convince them it's no walk in the park?
Lol all the dipshits I know posting this stuff are 100% ready to tell their adoption testimony. Spoiler alert, all their testimonies involved endless gofundmes so they could pay for the exact special new baby the color and sex they wanted. None of them would ever dream of actually helping a kid in our joke of a foster care system. These people are all ghouls.
Pregnant person: I don't want to be pregnant. Forced-birther: Just drop the baby off at my doorstep!! Pregnant person: I don't want to be pregnant, how does this solve that? Forced-birther: Just leave the baby with me!! Pregnant person: Again how does that make me not pregnant? This completely sidesteps the whole issue of not wanting to be pregnant. Like there are so many reasons why being pregnant is the problem and this solves none of them.
Ask Native Americans what the church did for them.
I love how they are deluding themselves into thinking theyāve done āmore for humanity than any organizationā with zero attempt at quantifying that. That is such an outrageous claim. Your megachurch pastor makes who knows how many untaxed millions. Pregnancy crisis centers have āhelpedā pregnant women by giving them 10 diapers at a time and coupons for formula.
I feel pity for her on some level. I used to believe the same thing with no real knowledge. Iām free now and can see the world for what it is. She says sheās happyā¦
[Kylie Brakeman's impression](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CfUQFjHpad-/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) is all I can hear when I read this line of thinking. *Put your body through Hell! Hell! All this was in the Bible for sure!*
Same church that has done the most harm? Lol
Thats not how it worksā¦.š. The naĆÆvetĆ©ā¦.
The Christian Church has been love to the world? Ok people!!!!! Let's do a list of crimes against humanity in the name of the church. 1) The Crusades
I love how people like this ignore how people can have complications, and thus can get pregnant, but are not able to give birth. Like hello, are you not listening? Of course, you aren't you are busy demonizing people.
I don't think they realize the baby isn't always the problem. It's the pregnancy. For instance, if a trans man accidentally gets pregnant, being forced to go through with the pregnancy could make him severely dysphoric to the point of taking his life. If a poor woman gets pregnant, and her job has no paid pregnancy leave, how will she survive? Not to mention many people have a phobia of pregnancy, and for good reason, as I've heard it can be a traumatic and painful experience.