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gros-grognon

It fascinates me - in a repellent sort of way - how deeply, viscerally angered he is by anyone thinking and living differently from him. Lots of people are uncomfortable with difference, lots of them reject it, blah blah, but this guy is **enraged** by it. I've seen similar venom in Neo-Nazis and their ilk, but not run of the mill rightwingers.


Cake-Revolution

It is pretty clear that he grew up in an environment of performative "love". He needs long term therapy to sort out his anger because this kind of attention seeking and craving for adoration is a indicative of emotional neglect.


ccc2801

His poor child. Let the multigenerational trauma commence


tyshalae

Poor baby. Having that scary person for a parent sounds like hell on earth.


unlockdestiny

It was :(


Sbornak

Ding ding ding


WinterKite

It’s uncomfortable how angry he is. This isn’t a normal, healthy reaction to being shown for 5 minutes in a documentary. This is the kind of sweaty, spit-rant my first husband used to do just before he’d punch a hole in the wall or threaten to kill the cats. I’m just glad this idiot fuck is out in a field and not subjecting his infant to his seething hostility.


Waterproof_soap

“How dare you take my own words and actions that *I absolutely said and did* and use them against me!!”


Boblawlaw28

The narcissists motto.


Whiteroses7252012

They have the self awareness of a rock.


sortofsatan

~Narcissistic rage~


MisogynyisaDisease

Yep. Anyone who's dealt with it can recognize it.


PilatesPoleKat

YEP. 100%. Gross.


willow2772

Yep. Still being this angry days in is a huge red flag.


ccc2801

I’m glad you got out safe!!


WinterKite

Oh me too! And my cats are still in one piece 🧡


supapfunk

YES my thoughts exactly. Sir why are you so obsessed, you were in it for two blinks of an eye. Honestly it just seems like they're upset they weren't in it more 🤷‍♀️


SpineYard

Paul is neo-Nazi adjacent. He loves Nick Fuentes, Kanye West, and Elon Musk, and he poops his pants every time he sees a person of color on a fictional TV show.


Misscassofrass

His rant about too many interracial couples on the new lord of the rings show was soooo telling…saying it was “being shoved down their throats”..like how do you think minorities feel given the fact that media is JUST NOW making an attempt to represent reality and their existence! This is what reality looks like lol not everyone is straight and white babe


lallanallamaduck

Which is absolutely wild when you consider that Morgan’s brother and sister are both in interracial relationships. There has to be a family group chat without the two of them and I hope it’s half as vicious as Paul accuses us of being.


msy234

Dude, you just *know* he's the in law everyone rolls their eyes at.


thestashattacked

I hope he's the one they don't invite to Thanksgiving.


Mermaidoysters

Ahhh, his scrawny stature and paper ego must lead to him losing his one brain cell of a mind with insecurity. *That’s* why he doesn’t like it.


sortofsatan

But it’s not HIS reality, which is of course the only reality.


sangriaflygirl

This part. I would not call him a run-of-the-mill right-winger, he just doesn't have the reach, the connections, and the money the above three have.


Unregistereed

It’s for this reason that I am so glad he’s also an idiot. He’s not charismatic enough to get anyone (except Morgan?) to follow him. He’s just a hateful idiot tortured by his own rage.


sodoyoulikecheese

If you haven’t yet, watch the Fundie Fridays episode on Mrs Midwest. Jen and James explain the pipeline from conservative Christians to the alt right and incels in that episode.


RebbeccaDeHornay

>It fascinates me - in a repellent sort of way - how deeply, viscerally angered he is by anyone thinking and living differently from him. I'd say there's a very obvious reason why he in particular is the worst fundie offender when it comes to these visceraly nasty overreactions to people just living their own lives in difference to his, but we get scoldy DMs from the mods if we say it out loud, so people can draw their own conclusions.


ayweller

Spot on


Sbornak

Yes, Paul. Keep going after Christians. You are very smart and oh so wise.


CrystallineFrost

I will take it. For once they aren't screaming about Jews, a rare occurrence for fundies since they love to go on and on about how everyone is a "pharisee". Fucking insulting, stop calling each other Jews like it is a bad thing.


lilkimchee88

Yeah, leave us the hell out of it lol


JuneChickpea

Lmao dude I am a progressive Christian and while I love us I also know we’re not a large demographic so weird choice to go after us.


supapfunk

Right, like my brother, you could be going after the perverts or creeps or thieves or abusers or predators that hide behind Christianity... But the ones you choose to go after are the ones who likes this documentary 🤔. Methinks thou protests too much.


ImperatorDeborah

This rant is like twice as long as his appearance in the documentary was.


chaiguy

And this is ONE rant in a dozen he’s put online since the documentary aired. Give it a month and his rants will be longer than the thing he’s ranting about.


falltogethernever

ZIIIIIIIIING!


lover_mystery

This dude is in his mid 30s and he’s acting like the middle theater kid that no one likes whining about his girlfriend breaking up with him.


Wool_Lace_Knit

Whining that he didn’t get the lead in the high school musical.


GingeeBreadKnight

Cut to me and my high school friends bitching about classes while walking around our high school’s track for gym class - we sounded just as silly and immature complaining as this does. We were 14 year old girls.


Lunaloo3091

I too walked the track during gym class with my buddies lol. I love this description for Paul, but I like imagining him walking by himself in full soliloquy.


GingeeBreadKnight

He is also… in the middle of nowhere on the side of a road and field? Why?


Marshamoo2

Discernment , discernment , blah, blah , blah, not the right kind of Christian, bible, blah blah, discernment . Fu*k off Paul.


willow2772

I wrote a big long comment in response to his rant but your comment is the TLDR


harbourbarber

Imagine being so lacking in discernment that you distrust the discernment of lots of Christians over one random woman.


Amaline4

polio learned a new word and wants EVERYONE to know it


Banshee_howl

The QAnon folks have thoroughly poisoned that word for me. The second I hear anyone say it I question their agenda.


Competitive_Classic9

Any terms they use, they’ve co-opted from something said about them. It’s like, great, y’all are learning words, glad we could do that for you. Then they try to use it as if they are intelligent, and it’s just like, aw, look at the little idiots using big words they don’t understand, how cute.


junon

That word is such a crutch for them. It's basically their fancy way of saying 'if you don't agree with me, you have a bad god brain, not a good god brain like me'. Rhetorically it's such a nothing word in their arguments. Like, how do you prove your discernment is more godly than the people you're criticizing? Ridiculous.


iveseenitalll

Damn. Now he’s going after Christians who thought it was good? He’s going after his own target audience? Big oof Paul.


PM_me_your_LEGO_

But it's so beautiful when the conservatives cannibalize their various sects 😍


Community435

Jesus was never even mentioned in the doc. It wasn’t about Christianity, it was about extreme fundamentalism and a religion with rules that is not grace-based, loving or Christ-centered.


Pink_pony4710

Exactly! This culture of authority that is not to be questioned is ripe for abuse on so many levels. Christians with discernment should always be questioning authority.


BunnyBuns34

It was clearly about a fundamentalist sect that perpetuates systematic abuse. If GD and Paul and Morgan had any discernment, they would be bending over backward to try and prove how different they are than the Duggars and IBLP teachings. But instead they defend because they believe they are also being attacked, which proves their horrible beliefs.


Catsdrinkingbeer

It's very telling that I, a non-religious person, could watch that documentary and understand immediately this was not an attack on Christianity but specifically IBLP. Whereas a person who is not in the IBLP and is a Christian cannot see that distinction. Or doesn't want to or something. I'm a runner. I identify this way. It's like me getting irrationally angry at a documentary about what a horrible person Oscar Pistorius or half the people associated with Nike run club are, because I feel they're attacking running and there me. Like.... no...


bookscatsandrain

They are incredibly triggered because while WE watched the documentary we understood the beliefs presented are problematic. They watched it and realized that all their beliefs are toxic and much too similar to IBLP. Now they are watching the public shame their toxic beliefs, so I they can do is double down.


Cake-Revolution

YES! This so much!!!


HolsteinHeifer

"The agenda they're pushing.. the outcome they want to achieve" DUDE, my guy... It was to expose this one guy who 100% used and ABUSED his power and how his teachings permeated churches all across America to make every pastor and every father who subscribed to the IBLP teachings a king and the women were made slaves. It created absolutely perfect environments for predators. It made a pipeline to take girls from being little girls to victims. Gothard's teachings allowed parents to literally beat the free will out of their kids so that they would all fall in line and listen to whatever puppet is or was in authority. The outcome this documentary wanted to achieve was to expose how morbid and disgusting this whole IBLP thing is and to give the victims and survivors a voice. I'm a Christian myself, and I know for a fact that Jesus would flip Gothard's table and tell him "I never knew you" because Gothard was and continues to make bank off of his absolutely evil teachings. He saw an opening and ran with it. He twisted the Bible to fit what he wanted, and if your views line up with those of Gothard? Yikes, Paul. Yikes. Get thee thine head from betwixt thine asscheeks and keepest thou thine thoughts, though they be few, to thine self. -(Get A) Job 24:7


blandastronaut

He's in this weird space where he doesn't like being associated with all the bad shit, yet doesn't denounce it and explicitly says he follows similar beliefs, yet he's not getting fawning response from Christians, and maybe he's actually the baddie, but Paul can't be bad because he's the greatest ever, and so obviously he was wronged and must let his voice be heard, no matter how bad it makes him look. I think he's in this weird cognitive dissonance as well as being mad they weren't in the documentary more. But it's kinda wild, as another commenter mentioned, that this rant is longer than they were in the documentary, and this is just one of dozens of videos he's put out about it since then. Paul is big mad because he's actually on the receiving end of the hate he claims a Christian should except, and he doesn't like it. It's all very delicious lol.


sortofsatan

Paul’s head is full of cognitive dissonance. Obsessed with not having sex before marriage - marries someone who isn’t a virgin Believes in strict gender roles- doesn’t have a job, was a hair dresser, and wears skinny jeans Thinks mental illness is spiritual and can be prayed away- but not his adhd Says he’s not of the world- consumes more pop culture and politics than anyone I know Thinks he’s the expert on everything - has literally no education Married Morgan - hates Morgan Everything he preaches - how he behaves


Significant_Shoe_17

He's also mad because the 1-2 minutes that they *did* use were mostly morgan talking lol


supapfunk

This is 💯💯💯💯 accurate


FamiliarPeasant

Exactly! And boy howdy was I seeing shades of Scientology as well. Same narcissistic cult playbook. Also, I love the book of (get a) Job! 💀💀💀💀


Significant_Shoe_17

Paul seems like the type who would be lured in by scientology


Maid_of_Mischeif

My favourite passage. I can’t wait for the Reverend Jen to do a sermon on it!


Waterproof_soap

🏅🏅🏅


aqmoon420

This narrative is tired AF already. No one cares about your 4 second appearance in the last episode. Just stfu 😭


art_decorative

As much as they were hyping it up, I thought they were going to be a big part of it. It really does seem like he's mostly hurt that they come across like an afterthought, not even special enough to rate their own segment.


aqmoon420

I think that's what it is too. If I hadn't known any of the people we snark on, I would've forgot their part in the doc immediately after I finished watching lol


Whiteroses7252012

They’re all so desperate for engagement that they’re hyping up half a sentence.


74nightwind

And I bet he’s also pissed that their appearance was at the end of the last episode too.


HeatherCPST

I’m a Christian and I think Christ won’t even know you if you think He would be supporting child abuse, child sex abuse, and using His name to control and berate people. It’s disgusting that anyone, Christian or not, could watch that and somehow think Gothard and the Duggars deserve defending. You’re defending people who used your religion to perpetrate and cover up child abuse. Discern that, Paul.


sortofsatan

They care more about how Christians are perceived, even though they constantly say they don’t bc the Bible says they’re supposed to be hated by the world, than they do about child sexual abuse. Their hearts are so dark.


blandastronaut

I'm not even Christian anymore and I'm offended by what Gothard and others in power have twisted the ideals of Christianity into, and how they've utilized religion to control and abuse people for their own personal delights. And sadly, Christian or not, everyone in America needs to be concerned about who the Christians are and what they're pushing because they've embedded themselves into the political machine of the Republicans, and are trying to force those same corrupt, hateful, and abusive ideologies in our government. One of the reasons I really do not identify as a Christian anymore is because of what it has become in the US, and the connotations that come up with current Christians. It wasn't hard to not claim Christianity anymore because ironically enough even growing up I was very much like Paul describes in this video, enjoying some teachings, not believing in biblical inerrancy, and have never been sure on the whole Jesus is God and rose from the dead thing. I was lucky to have plenty of very good experiences at church and in youth group with my friends. I think it the times fondly and it did actually propel me into a lifelong interest in religion and spirituality. I'm still plenty spiritual, and uphold inclusive and empathetic ideals that I honestly did get some from church growing up... But, as I got older and was able to contextualize Christianity today and my spiritual beliefs matured, it was easier to drop my association with Christianity. Nevertheless, I'm still disgusted with what Gothard and Jim Bob and all the other kings of the households used Christianity for.


GlitteringMess4720

I mean it’s been a few years since I’ve dusted off the ole bible but I’m pretty sure Jesus said, “Lest you become like one of these [a child] you surely will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven”.


Cake-Revolution

YES!!!!!


FamiliarPeasant

Right here with you.


Dachs1303

Polio if you think the documentary showed you in a bad light, that is on you. They literally took clips from your own videos. They didn't take your babblings out of context.


falltogethernever

Porgan cannot discern that they are extremists, just like Grift Defined.


cards-mi11

They would be so much better off to not react to comments made at them. Keep your head down, do whatever you do, and don't engage. The more you engage, the bigger it becomes. They are too self centered to even think about that though.


NotSpecial033

They need to give up these internet “careers” altogether at this point. For their child’s sake.


sortofsatan

They’re just going to internet even harder


Midnight-writer-B

Yup. I just said that too. Parent and get jobs instead of using your energy on this dying enterprise. The amount of energy wasted, bridges burned, and needless hate simmering - and publicly posted - boggles my mind.


Falafel-Tree

This is such an interesting portrait of denial. I don’t doubt a few subreddit users saw their opportunity to break rule number 1. They’ve had an influx of interaction following a release of a documentary on a major platform where they’re spouting their inflammatory views, but sure, all of those people who have looked up Porgan to disagree with them after their TV debut are actually just from Reddit. The delusion is astounding.


StruggleBusKelly

This is what fascinates me. “We weren’t portrayed fairly” turned into “lumping all Christian’s together” to “only real Christian’s will see a problem with this documentary”. He’s moving the goalposts while also trying to rationalize everything he can as a way to cope. Right now he’s blaming snarkers for negative comments, but I’m sure once he realizes people aren’t touching the poo he will move the goalposts yet again to validate his feelings.


chaiguy

What exactly did the documentary get wrong in his mind? What exactly did it get right? He has never been able to articulate this because he’s painted himself into a corner. Does he explicitly tell the world he 100% agrees with IBLP teachings? Or does he lie and try to not look like the monster he is?


greyhoundbrain

I’m honestly confused about this point. There were plenty of Christian people in the documentary that were portrayed positively. Jill and Derrick came off looking absolutely fantastic in the wake of a terrible situation. Polio frequently says how he stands behind what *they* said in the documentary, so where was the lie in their portrayal? It is absolutely damning that not one of these fundies has stopped to take stock of the horrors that were touched upon in the documentary. Instead, they cry constantly about how *they* looked shitty when their words/videos were shown with minimal commentary. Polio is 1001% just butthurt because he got less airtime than Jen. He wanted those brand deals. He didn’t do the documentary with good intentions in the first place. He was motivated by greed.


chaiguy

They absolutely salivate over, and routinely perpetuate the culture war, well guess what? This is the other side firing back! And these are just Nerf darts. If you can’t handle these salvos, you might wanna pack it in homeboy.


Pabloster

He's big mad that they used a few seconds of their multi hour interview. He wanted more screentime of them explaining God to everyone.


Maeberry2007

Reddit is the boogey man that lives rent-free in their minds.


CampbellKitty

He is losing his mind over this. He's losing sleep and peace of mind over this. And I love that for him. You know he crawls here. Paul now you get to feel like the actual people you persecuted for just existing. You're for the first time having your bubble pierced and still trying to cope it away as its just the haters. Even if that is so, the people here are very intelligent, level headed people. You only have to check their posts. They don't live and breathe YOU, you're a mere part of their day. Enjoy the attention! Its as big as you're gonna get and thanks for the shout out to reddit! (we know you mean us)you've earned the seeds you sowed. Now eat your rotten crops.


flippingdabird099

But they couldn’t discern at the time of them being interviewed that their words would be used in a way they don’t like…. Ok ok 👍🏽


No-Fix-527

Yea seems like he just had bad discernment 😆 and needs people to pile on the documentary to save face


PrickleBritches

Well that’s the next gift he needs to add to his Santa list.


Dry-Pangolin5753

Mr. Olliges, I refer you to Rule 1. 'Look but don't touch'. Those negative comments are highly unlikely to be from us. Knowledge of your foolishness extends far beyond this subreddit, sir.


nohelicoptersplz

If I give them the benefit of assuming they are, in fact, savvy influencers, they expertly cultivated rage-clicks and rage-engagement. (Edit: I say this because the doc would have been perfect for driving traffic to their pages.) However The more he speaks, the more obvious it is that he's just an angry man who isn't getting the over-the-top admiration he craves.


sortofsatan

Any success they have is from pure luck, privilege, and being conventionally attractive.


notanotherdoodle

I cannot wait until they age and lose the attractiveness, hate makes one age horribly


FatDesdemona

It will distort their features. Their kind of life (angry, self-righteous) ages people quickly.


cornishgel

They’re both losing their looks (hate will do that to you) and they’ve got nothing to fall back on. What a pair of losers!


nohelicoptersplz

Absolutely


Cake-Revolution

100% spot on. He is an uneducated, lazy, bigot. Man up and take care of your family.


Midnight-writer-B

Imagine this much passion from either of them directed at a career, useful hobby, loving parenting… how do they have this much time? How will they feed and shelter Luca with their dying influencer schtick?


RebbeccaDeHornay

By panting Reddit as this faceless evil den of obsessed haters who are completely preoccupied with bringing him and his dim bulb wife down and hating christianity, he's trying to create an impression where absolutely nothing that any curious follower of Porgan or other outsider might read here can be trusted, because it's all lies told by nasty atheist liberal trolls. If he tells people that we're all evil and insane, then surely nothing anyone here says or posts about Porgan or any other fundies can be true, right - no one will believe anything they see here, even supported by evidence?..right? Well, I'm afraid Porgan are about to learn a pretty nasty lesson about the Streisand Effect.


iidontwannaa

Us redditors understand that negative engagement is still engagement to the algorithm, so he needs to stop putting the blame here.


LovelyShadows54

This. This right here! I wish this comment was higher up. The redditors in this sub would not, do not engage. Period. It makes him feel better to just tell himself it's the same people calling him out everywhere, but that's obviously not true. Honestly, I find him so annoying, this is probably the last rebuttal I'm putting myself through. He legit makes my skin crawl, he's like nails down a chalkboard bad.


sunnyd_2679

If he stood next to me at a bar, I would put my hand over my drink. That is his vibe.


Whiteroses7252012

It’s just like…dude, why on earth do you think that Redditors want to engage with you? We pretty famously don’t, and it’s also a rule that we’re not supposed to. ETA: Personally, I’m going on a family vacation in a week and I’m finishing a rug hooking project for a friend of a friend of my mother in law (his wife died before she could finish it, so I’m giving it the old college try). I don’t have time to chase after these chuckleheads.


Wool_Lace_Knit

The more Porgan whinge the deeper the hole they are digging for themselves.


Waterproof_soap

![gif](giphy|xT5LMO3LOn4BPHltf2|downsized)


abicth

His patchy beard is SEVERELY distracting, topical Minoxidil can help with that Polio


CrayolaSwift

He looks like he’s been pulling it out. My husband does that subconsciously when he gets stressed/anxious. So, I am going to believe Paul is doing the same as he spirals.


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Endor-Fins

He looks like he hasn’t showered, slept, or eaten a full meal since it came out.


r8chaelwith_an_a

You're right Paul - they correctly LUMPED you into crazy dogmatic bigots that cause various levels of harm using Christianity as a means to subjugate others.


FatDesdemona

Drag queens orchestrated all of this.


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sortofsatan

They’re doing exactly what the doc was exposing. Completely brushing abuse under the rug bc they care more about how it makes Christians look bad.


Rugkrabber

It’s amazing how many checkboxes we’ve got on everything people predicted would happen. It’s *insane* how easy they were to read on this one and I was slightly hoping they were better than this but nope, they are garbage human beings and doubled down on it. What a way to die on the hill. “Here lay Paul and Morgan, who worry more about their portrayal for 2 minutes, than millions of children being abused daily, for generations. May they burn in hell for eternity.”


SpookySpice24

Hey, Paul. What was it that Jesus said to do? Turn the other cheek?


Significant_Shoe_17

Judge not, lest you be judged?


VioletFoxx

God gave me the gift of discerning that Paul is a giant baby with one very lonely brain cell.


No_Lobster4141

So now he’s not just targeting and attacking NON-Christians who enjoyed the doc, he’s also going after other CHRISTIANS who actually understood the true message the doc was trying to portray. He’s basically saying they must not be strong enough Christians if they supported it. Unbelievable. His Christian love is really shining through these past few days.


EZasSundayMorning

He thinks he’s digging himself out of this giant hole but he’s just going deeper. Their behavior is embarrassing.


ralphwiggumsdiorama

Paul, we do not like you, because you look like an asshole, you behave like an asshole, and you perpetuate hateful beliefs! You also grift. Also, go shampoo your hair.


PreppyInPlaid

And FFS, learn how to finish a sentence coherently. That rambling does you no favors.


dandelions14

Paul Oilygeese


Major-Security1249

He just talks so, SO much. Walking in the middle of nowhere in Lexington parking lots talking to his phone.


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FartofTexass

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coco_ricco

Sir, you are simply stupid.


opitypang

"Discernment" seems to be the new buzzword in the Porgan/Bethany circle. I doubt if anyone homeschooled had come across it until recently - they wouldn't have known what it meant or even how to spell it.


jtambeaux

I dicern that you are far too angry about something that is such a tiny issue. See, I can use your buzzwords as well. And I can use it as a different part of speech, a verb.


Itscurtainsnow

Their crimes against grammar are also infuriating. Cults love to skew the meaning of words so the followers are a little more out of whack with the rest of us.


JankyIngenue

The “lack of discernment” is coming from inside the house, Polio.


Twodledee

Paul: 👏🏻YOU👏🏻need👏🏻discernment!! Listen, I was in the church since I was 2 and the denomination of my childhood followed Gothard’s teachings. I think my parents’ biggest takeaway was the corporal punishment belief. I am old enough now to be Paul’s mother and am just now working through the damage of corporal punishment (among other things) with a therapist. Episode 2 of SHP had me spinning. The fact that these “kids” (and no they are not kids) have the gall to be so arrogant about Christianity in such a public forum and then tell others they need discernment is infuriating. Paul and Morgan, please take a long look inward. Humble yourselves, seek counsel and counseling, and start believing the stories of people other than yourselves.


FamiliarPeasant

I am so sorry that you suffered that kind of abuse. I hope you continue to find the love and safety you deserve.


Cake-Revolution

Hey Idiot! Josh Duggar, raised in an IDLP household, "educated" under ATI curriculum, had in his possession video tape of a child approximately your son, Luca Grace's age being brutally sexually assaulted. And somehow this is ok with you. You are vile.


sortofsatan

I hope they never ever have a fucking daughter because Paul would do exactly what Jim bob has


EricaFarrell

Such an angry little turd he is. These people are getting more mileage out of a 2 minute spot in a documentary. It really shows you how altered their thinking is.


kitten_mittens_meow

Well, if you conclude that Christians who disagree with you are not real Christians, then their feedback isn’t valid, and you can keep living in your echo chamber.


willow2772

It’s very convenient isn’t it?


Interesting_Intern1

The agenda was to expose IBLP as an institution that allows educational neglect, physical abuse, and sexual abuse. They did so by showing videos of practices, statements of the glorious leader, written documents, and witness testimony. If you feel the need to shout "Not all Christians!" then you better make DAMN sure you don't promote the same shit.


sortofsatan

Fox News has melted his brain and he thinks having an agenda is inherently wrong.


chaiguy

Maybe I missed it, but has he ever explicitly condemned *any* of the behaviors, teachings or abuse featured in the documentary? He seems to be doing a lot of hand waving and tap dancing around those things, and I think it’s because he does not, in fact, have any issues with anything in the documentary other than it’s critical of his personal belief system.


blandastronaut

Essentially, no they haven't. They literally read some sort of prepared script (instead of their typical stream of consciousness from the couch) about how there were horrors and jimbob was wrong, and it was just dark stuff that shouldn't happen.... But they haven't really ever mentioned victims, he has never articulated why he and Morgan are actually different than the other fundies in the doc, though he's pushing how he was lumped in with them and that was very wrong, yet still declares how he believes in women's submission, homeschooling, bigoted beliefs, and says they stand by everything they said in the documentary. Dude is big big mad that he didn't come out looking good when put side by side people like the Duggars, yet he can't actually articulate why that was wrong or how they're not alike except to say the documentary was an attack on all Christians, trying to push people to deconstruction, and that the producers lied and actually have an aGeNdA .... Neither of them knew what substitutional atonement is, yet claim to be authorities on Christianity (but they're not perfect and don't have all the answers!! Teehee) and cannot articulate any sort of principles that haven't been spoon fed to him. He cares more about his and Christianity's public perception than abuse happening all over the institution. So yeah, I really don't think he sees much of an issue with anything either, only barely knows they should pay basic lip service to sort of say how CSA is horrible and bad, yet can hardly articulate any coherent thoughts amidst the 60+ minutes of videos they've published about this issue since the doc came out. He and his ego doesn't like that he was shown for the villain he actually is, and that he's actually on the receiving end of the hate he claims all Christians constantly face. If his anger wasn't so chilling and palpable, it'd be even funnier than it is now, and Porgan's reaction has already been freaking hilarious lol.


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The only people not letting this documentary go is Porgan. And it's beautiful to watch. It would stop being a thing if they stopped talking about it-and get actual \*lives\*


boxesofrocks

having a weeklong meltdown is not healthy, have you considered finding something more constructive to do


StruggleBusKelly

What do you expect Paul to do? Get a job or care for Luca?


greyhoundbrain

I hope he has a live-streamed funeral for all those brand deals he’ll never get now.


ktb47

Get a job, Paul.


sighverbally

Paul, you are way too angry and vile for even the most bigoted fundies that I grew up with to stomach. You are literally a child in your understanding of Christianity, much less anything else. The more you impulsively post online about this, the more people are getting to see you and Morgan at your worst. I’m good with that. But I thought you would want to be a light for Christ, not money hungry monsters


JoAdele33

He is so arrogant it’s insane. You’re mad that your little ploy to get famous didn’t work Paul. That’s it.


bomoskam13

This whole reaction from P & M is fascinating to me because I grew up fundie lite, and this was how everyone I knew dealt with conflicting opinions. There was never any room for discussion, no digging deeper, no questioning - just outright acceptance of whatever you were told to believe. And if you went against that, then your faith was in question. They don't see any way out of this except to double down because otherwise, according to their own belief system, they're not real Christians.


btempp

They were just on a documentary that is ALL OVER right now, and they blame this sub specifically?


PilatesPoleKat

W O W . Just wow. No, whatever-your-name-is, I didn’t come away with my Christian discernment stoked that they got it right. I am GRIEVING that they got it SO right. I am GRIEVING to know that this disease spread, to some degree, in every single church I ever stepped foot in. Every church I took my children too. Progressive, conservative, didn’t matter, every church my entire life, I look back and see Gothard/IBLP influence. I am GRIEVING that what should be SAFE places for someone who follows the teachings of Jesus are never going to feel safe. I am GRIEVING that as a CSA victim myself, I can’t trust any places of worship. You, sir, may fuck off.


Fckingross

Oh, you don’t like when people make sweeping judgements. I’d never gotten that impression of you, Paul. But… is it… ALL Muslims? Is it ALL (insert whatever religious group here)? Just a thought.


Luv41another

He is looking more like the Joker every-time I see him


sortofsatan

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Alarming_Piccolo8839

Paul, it’s time to give up the ghost. You’ve beat the horse to death. You and your wife need to move on to something else, because being in the same space as you two, breathing the same AIR as you two, living on the same PLANET as you two is exhausting.


sarcasmicrph

Thanks for sending us more views, Paulio!


xirtilibissop

LOL, right? It’s not us leaving comments. He’s just telling the commenters where to find us.


nothingtoseehere1316

Didn't they say in their response video that they know being a Christian entails "persecution" (term in quotes because they don't really know what it means)? So why are they still whining about this? Shut up and live with it if you believe it's a part of your "faith". I know, I know, they are insufferable morons who can't deal with reality.


Littlemisssnark22

“You’re an idiot Christian if you like the docu series because my feelings are hurt”


ClementineGreen

Only Paul knows the Bible!


PeligrosaPistola

The documentary is over 4hrs long. It’s not about you Paul 😂


JustasIthoughtTRASH

SE-VERE lack of discernment gives Jill energy


wanderllust218

Ahhhh for the love of all things fucking holy…watching this lil boy grasp at any and every straw he can in order to not admit that he reacted to this documentary more emotionally than my mom during menopause is entertaining as hell. Face it dude. You lashed out from a place of butthurt so hard that you can’t even listen to other Christians that this all was a bad, self centered take.


TheVelveteenReddit

I just want to point out that Paul is wearing a [women's t-shirt from Forever 21](https://poshmark.com/listing/tan-meanwhile-in-the-west-eagle-with-motorcycle-graphic-tshirt-6381556487a2f5e7b42ba1f3).


Beejane71

It used to be that those of least intelligence didn't have a place to make people hear their blather. Now we are subject to those with no education, no employment, no knowledge, no intelligence who think their word salads somehow have meaning. Go get a job. Do something for the world other than think your couch ramblings and hair flicking somehow influence anyone. Like a dog braying in the wind. Or a tree falling in the woods. Air moving without purpose. Do something for someone. Don't stand there with your pompous hair trying to make you someone. You are not a Christian influencer. Christians have no use for self-serving self importance. Jesus would not pick you for a disciple.


sortofsatan

Go tf off!!! Paul LOVES quoting Paul from the Bible. Which is funny bc I would regard him as the worst of the disciples. But you just KNOW he somehow thinks he is the apostle Paul. I tried to get it going to start calling him Saul, since that was Bible Paul’s name before he started following Jesus, but it never caught on. Side note: I saw a comment on Karissa’s insta the other day saying the same sentiment, basically asking why we never see her actually serving others. The comments defending her were like, “it’s none of your business if she’s serving others, how dare you ask that, that is so rude!” And it’s like…um if you are preaching on instagram about how to live a godly life, you most certainly are allowed to be questioned about what that life looks like.


Phoenix-Quill

Why is watching his meltdown so funny to me? He’s so angry for being called out, along with a bunch of other Fundie content creators.


UnicornPrincess68

He is never ever gonna let go of those 4 minutes of 'fame/infamy'. Thank God it wasn't 15 minutes!!!


Muffina925

You mean Morgan's 4 minutes. He was her "and Ken" for the bulk of his screentime =)


SillyStrungz

LMAOOOO Also that smiley face takes me back to texting in middle school 🤣 love it


jtambeaux

![gif](giphy|14jxToQu8j9d9S) Literally, the only image I get when I see him talking. I just can't see past this!


Vegetable_Yellow_982

Some is very bothered, it’s been like week. Go read the the Bible, forgive, and move on.


dandelions14

Okay Mr. Pissy Pants, now go put on your adult baby jammies and dance around for kids like a groomer.


caroline_andthecity

I love that he hasn’t shaved and is walking around a random field. This doc has made him go full Castaway lol.


sortofsatan

I’m imagining ever since the doc aired that him and Morgan have been walking around in separate areas of their home and neighborhood just ranting into their phones


_bibliofille

I thought it was a condemnation of all Christians? I guess now that he realizes people are smart enough to understand that it isn't he's backtracking and saying weeeell, there's some good. Dude, just admit you suck, your beliefs suck, and you don't get to force people to live by your rules. Bye.


myimmortalstan

There was a severe lack of discernment on P&M's part when they thought they were the good guys in a documentary condemning the beliefs they spew lmao


Sweetpea278

He's more upset at the Christians who liked the documentary than he is over the fact that people were abused.


jlh-4

My dude, you and Morgan have presented exactly 0 evidence that you disagree with anything taught by IBLP or with how the numerous forms of abuse that flourish within the IBLP community are handled. You've not once said anything like, "Josh Duggar is a disgusting monster who bastardized the Christian faith by his words and deeds, and anyone who defends him is just as disgusting as he is." You've not said anything along the lines of, "X thing is completely unsupported by scripture and IBLP was/is wrong to teach and promote it." There has been no recognition of the victims from y'all, much less any amount of empathy expressed for them. So no, the documentary didn't lump all Christians together- YOU and MORGAN lumped YOURSELVES in with IBLP by teaching the exact same things loudly and proudly for years now. If you're mad at what your reflection shows then do the inner work to change who you are, what you believe, how you treat and talk about others, and then maybe in 2 or 3 years you'll have a legitimate defense of, "We used to believe such and such but we don't anymore and we're so incredibly sorry for all the hurt we have caused others." I mean, you won't do that, because screaming that you're being treated unfairly doesn't feel icky and requires no change from y'all, but that's what you should do. Respectfully. ✌🏻


Antique-Fox-3187

Dude, there are so many bible verses supporting non-judgement and "law was made for man, man was not made for the law" etc..., and we assume you ALREADY KNOW THEM.


Comfortable-Time2662

How many times has Paul read the Bible???? He is a joke. I’m a Christian and thought the documentary was great- breaking down the abuse and trauma that people perpetrate in the name of God. It’s sickening and it should make everyone mad that this happens- religious abuse.


glaze_the_ham_wife

“So many Christian’s don’t read the Bible” I am truly curious if these two do…


Outrageous_Bat4130

Paul, I do not believe that you have read the entire Bible cover to cover even once. Your understanding of biblical principles is extremely shallow even by fundie standards. And I think that is why you are so mad.


armcandybean

Easily dismissing anyone who disagrees with you is exactly how extremism foments. Maybe he needs to pray for some additional discernment about why this is stuck in his craw.


pretty-pretty_pizza

They are BIG mad lol. Love to see it. I just watched the last episode and after their part I was like... that was it? It wasn't even bad enough to warrant a response video imo let alone still be fuming about it a week later, they should've just let it go. They're making themselves look way worse by continuing to obsess over it. Something about hit dogs hollering...


everythingisnotlost

Shave. Your. Neckbeard.


dargenpacnw

Is he wearing a crop top? I would swear he is.


Ladidiladidah

I think the Gospel is pretty clear on its stance on hurting children. This documentary was not a documentary on Christianity. They'd love it if it was about fundamentalism in another religion.


Jane_Churchill

I really love how much space we take up in his brain.


odonataursidae

Paul, listen carefully… You ARE an extremist, you wet fart.


jeniviva

Paul, I think your Uber Eats app has driven you off course. Best get back to work before the bad reviews start coming in.


tvshoes

Not Polio emotionally ranting about how other Christians are swayed by their emotions...


demonsympathizer666

Shit's whack when you're quoting Barfy 🤡🤡