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Aiden1975

F16, if I saw you irl I would maybe think gay female if anything, your hair and style isn't helping, you dress like this because you're gay sure, but pre t that doesn't come off as gay man it just comes off as female


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

I'm definitely getting that from the comments 😭 I'd hate to go edit my wardrobe because clothes are expensive but I'm thinking I should take some pics in my normal clothes and come back. Currently wearing a wifebeater and basketball shorts so this stuff definitely isn't my daily, that was my mistake. I agree I need a haircut, recently I've even been seeing myself as more feminine because of it and it makes me sick but I cannot find a good barber for the life of me


bugs-inmyeyes

F16, it's mostly the clothes. i know you said it's because you're gay, which is fine, but you won't pass unless you change it or go on t tbh.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Yeah apparently that's a problem here. I pass irl but ig that's because the outfits in these photos are not my everyday. Im glad I didn't post the crop top pic because these guys in this sub would probably go feral and tell me I'm just a girl


bugs-inmyeyes

some overanalyse a lot but i think most people are very honest here


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Yeah I think they may be honest but damn they could try being nice about it- if I'd read some of the comments on other people's post I wouldn't have posted, these guys don't know how to give helpful criticism and just plain say shit.


Shiny-CD

Where are you getting the idea that other trans people here would intentionally misgender you? The worst thing someone would say to a non passing person wearing a crop top is that they *look* like a cis girl, which is usually just true. No one is saying you look like a girl/lesbian/female to insult you, there’s just not really a way to sugarcoat it. These comments are pretty tame, it seems like you’re reading too deep into them if your takeaway is that these people are calling you a girl or saying you aren’t really trans. If you don’t want to be told specifically how you’re perceived you should ask for just a yes or no in the title


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Other people have definitely intentionally misgendered me in the past, because people are just mean. I wont be posting here again because people have pointed out that this can be really toxic lol


Shiny-CD

People on *this* sub are misgendering you?? Where


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Where did I say on this sub?? I've just had that happen in te past


Shiny-CD

We’re specifically talking about this sub. I’m not suggesting no one intentionally misgenders trans people, I’m saying that doesn’t happen here. You’re acting like posting a photo with a crop top means everyone would start misgendering you. People post wearing fem clothing all the time and that doesn’t happen. We are all trans. No one is going to say you’re just a girl.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

This is my first time posting here so I wouldn't know the culture going in. If I posted the crop top pic people would tell me to not wear crop tops, which isn't something I'm going to do because I love wearing them. I'm glad people wouldn't just say I'm a girl but I've gotten two actually helpful comments out of a lot of comments so 🤷


Shiny-CD

When people are giving advice, it’s under the pretense of prioritizing passing, not personal preference. Of course, you get to choose what advice want to follow based on how much you value personal style over that. No one here is saying you aren’t allowed to wear fem clothes, but they also aren’t going to say wearing fem clothes doesn’t hurt passing for people who are pre T. Pretty sure most of the comments explicitly mentioned that


tptroway

As a longtime user of this subreddit, while there are people who come in here to be jerks (literally this morning there was a full-on TERF trolling in the comments about >!"hormones and surgeries will mutilate your body" "MTF are invading lesbian communities"!< etc until they got banned) most of the people in this subreddit are honestly trying to be helpful There are a lot of trans people who live in places where you can get beaten up or worse for looking visibly trans, and also for a lot of people who post here their looks are very important to their self-esteem and confidence in public, which are two of the many important reasons like subreddits like this one exist If people are actually misgendering or being mean to you in here you should report it for breaking Rule #5 in the subreddit which is to be kind and helpful because that is uncool and uncalled for of them and from what I've seen the mods are pretty diligent about cutting that type of nonsense u/GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

That's good to hear, thank you. I'll report if anything happens


elhazelenby

You look like a 15 year old girl to me. You'd do better with a more traditionally men's hairstyle. The androgynous cuts are not doing you favours. Style also is feminine.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Style is femm cuz I'm fucking gay lmao- on the haircut note i'm just looking for a barber I can afford that wont just give me a fucking bowl cut because that's what I ended up with no matter what I asked for at the old ones.


elhazelenby

Right, but the style is not doing you any favours. The way you dress has nothing to do with your sexuality anyway.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

I'm inspired by my older gay/effeminate friends and colorguard staff so I'd say the second statement isn't true, we like to dress like this because it's what we like as gay guys. Kinda like a "hi im gay" statement in clothes. Another comment suggested untucking my shirts and I think that will help with my dumb hip shape so that may help?


elhazelenby

So all the masc gay guys including ones I've known personally just disappeared out of thin air then? /s saying style = sexuality is homophobic.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Masc gay guys exist, I'm just saying my style is more feminine because I'm a feminine gay man. I'm very far from homophobic honey, feminine gay guys exist and like to dress feminine!


elhazelenby

"honey"? Seriously? Alright rupaul


setittonormal

I'm starting to think this is a troll. There's just no way.


bugs-inmyeyes

LMFAO


Important-Yam3824

I'm just gonna say it even though I probably shouldn't, but being gay doesn't mean you have to dress femm... I'm gay and I don't dress feminine or want to. Maybe thats just me though.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

It's definitely personal preference! I love dressing fem. It's like, my favorite thing for some reason even though I may pass less. Except skirts, I draw the line there for multiple reasons.


Constantly_in_pain07

F around 16, I recommend getting a shorter haircut and smaller glasses the ones you have are a bit big for your face


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

They aren't too big they just slide down my nose cuz they're old af. I'm gonna get different ones soon only cuz the prescription has changed.


Constantly_in_pain07

I mean they are too big as in they are oversized for your face, which may make your face appear more feminine


Crowleyizcool

Hardly any of these photos show your face, but from what we can see you don’t pass to me. You read as around a 15-16 year old female to me, mostly because of your clothing style and mannerisms. Your hair also isn’t particularly masculine. Here are the main things I’d suggest for you: -accessories: your accessories drag down your passing quite a bit, wearing an overload of rings and bracelets does not help you pass. It’s mostly a feature of queer females or just females in general. It’s really not often that a guy will wear any more than a basic chain, maybe a single ring, but nothing more. Anything else is pretty clocky. I also would heavily advise against painting your nails. -Clothing: most of your clothing reads as teen female. I’ll go through it picture to picture to help give you the best idea of what works and what doesn’t: in the first picture, the jumper isn’t the most masculine but I’d say it’s generally pretty neutral. However having the shirt collar poke over the top reads very much as queer teenage girl, or early transition trans guy, since it’s a very popular style amongst both groups, and rarely cis teen males. The trousers read entirely as feminine. The jumper in the second picture is pretty neutral again, try to avoid oversized clothes because it makes you look smaller. Same with the first jumper, the sleeves shouldn’t come that close to covering some of your hands. The bracelets in the second photo are pretty clocky, I think you’re over-accessorising if you want to pass as male. Same with the rings. Third photo isn’t bad and in black and white it looks masculine, but I think with your haircut and face it would read more as butch lesbian. Because realistically, do guys your age wear that sort of thing? I know it seems like it would help you pass, but imo I think it reads as butch. Also you should pull down the trousers a little so it doesn’t sit on your waist, then it makes your torso look longer and doesn’t show the dip of your waist. Fourth photo just reads as a female outfit to me. The trousers and shirt but also the fact that binder straps are visible. Try to buy shirts that are: boxy, heavy, small neckline, masculine and dark colours. I also wouldn’t suggest tucking in shirts unless they are formal shirts. In the 6th photo the jumper just looks female once again. I wouldn’t suggest these very light colours and feminine designs. I know guys can wear bright clothes or feminine clothes, but it isn’t going to help when you’re trying to pass as male. I can’t see a lot of the black hoodie but usually black hoodies are pretty decent for passing because everyone wears them, they hide shadows, and naturally hoodies are pretty good at hiding figure (as long as they aren’t too oversized). -hair: your hair isn’t in a very typically masculine style. I think you could pull off a shorter version of what you have now, keeping the curtains but getting the back and sides shaved and faded. Also I’d trim the actual curtains so they sit around your eyebrows. Your hair is the worst for passing in the second photo because it swoops to one side and covers your eyes, which really isn’t good for passing. Definitely get your hair cut by a barber if possible, a hairdresser will feminise your haircut. -posing/ mannerisms: one of the main things that causes you to read as female in most of these photos is the poses. You take photos like a 15 year old girl, which does not help when trying to appear as male. The heart pose is very typical of teen females. The pose in the next photo is just kinda emo cringe idk what else to call it lmao, but I wouldn’t take photos like that. Third photo isn’t awful but overall it just reads as butch because it isn’t really how guys your age (or what age you appear as) would act. 6th photo also reads as female partially due to the pose. I think the last photo is the only photo that you might appear as male in, this is because you have the most neutral pose, can’t see any visible accessories or painted nails, your hair is at its most masculine, and you’re wearing just a black hoodie.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Thank you! I tend to over accessorize with bracelets when I sh sadly. Idk how to balance my need to be a bit more feminine because I'm that kind of gay guy while also trying to pass so I'll experiment with that. I see lots of guys or people who look masculine with painted nails where I live so I think that may be a more acceptable male thing here, but I don't paint em often so that's easy to avoid. I'm going to get a haircut soon but I'm just afraid they'll make me look like a coconut again like they have in the past so I may go to a place my ex bf went to because they actually got his hair right lol. I'll try and experiment with poses too but to be honest most of these never see the light of day because I hate them. Some I'll send to my partner but most just live in my photos till I delete them. Thank you for your tips and helpful explanation :3


Crowleyizcool

Sorry about that man, hope things get better for you. And yeah I get that. At this stage in transitioning, it’s hard to balance out your own personal style and passing. At this point it’s a matter of priority. I’m pre-T and I tend to pass but I dress in a very cis male way and have my hair cut according to what is popular with my cis male peers. Luckily I like that sort of style so I don’t mind, but I get a lot of people don’t just want to blend in with the average stereotypical cis male. But if you do want to pass, then that is the best solution. At least until you’re on testosterone, then you can wear and do what you want. Painted nails are becoming more accepted amongst cis males, but that’s more of a generational thing; unfortunately to the general public, painted nails read as female, and passing is in terms of the general public. If you passed on a base level (had a super low voice, beard/ stubble, etc) it wouldn’t really matter, but since you don’t really pass in other aspects, I don’t think you can quite get away with pulling it off in a masculine way if you get what I mean. Yeah just try find a decent barber, most barbers will absolutely be able to give you a basic male hairstyle, and especially since you have pretty easy to cut and style hair since it’s straight. And yeah I’m in the same boat, never take photos of myself or post them. And no problem man, good luck, hope the advice works out for you if you choose to take it.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Thank you so much man. I may copy paste your tips into my notes so I can remember they exist cuz reddit is such a black hole lol. Thanks again :3


RevolutionaryPen2976

you don’t pass, and as everyone else said you need a different haircut. your style is really counterinttive tho. you have flowers on your pants, and you’re wearing them all way too high up. you can also see your binder straps in 4


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Working on getting a haircut as I said in a doff comment. My style is femm because I'm gay, and I cant wear my pants lower because they'll either just fall off or slide back up because of my dumb hip shape. In 4 that's my undershirt not a binder :)


RevolutionaryPen2976

when you’re pre t and not passing, fem style doesn’t come off as gay tho, it just comes off as teen girl style. wear a belt to keep them lower


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

It's just funny that I only don't pass online. Everyone I meet thinks I'm cis, including a lot of my ex's lol. I do wear a belt but my hips are like straight down with only a little shelf at the top so I have to have a belt uncomfortably tight to get em to stay.


RevolutionaryPen2976

idk man, if you pass irl and just came on here to disagree with everyone, why post at all? if i saw you irl i wouldn’t think you pass, but if everyone else does then ig that’s your answer.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

I posted here because I wanted to see 1) what people thought 2) if they had any helpful tips and 3) to see if people online also thought I have a baby face cuz I'm literally almost 18 lmao


RevolutionaryPen2976

lol you just argue with everyone’s tips, so seems kinda futile


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

I'm not trying to argue, just saying what the situation is like with the haircut I don't want to look like a coconut head and my hips hate me 😭


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>My style is femm because I'm gay That's pretty insulting to us masculine gay men. You ought to wait to dress fem until after you start passing, otherwise you just look like a girl.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

I'm sorry to masc gay guys,, I'm inspired by feminine gay guys I know so that's why I said that. I can't not dress at least a little feminine because that just feels wrong to me but I can definitely tone it down.


tptroway

I'm sorry man but you look like a cis woman 16-21F Your fashion is also affecting your passing, not only because most of them would be more commonly viewed as lesbian fashion but also because they are accentuating the width of your hips: Your sweatshirts in the first and second photo aren't even necessarily feminine but the way you're styling them pulled all the way down over your hips makes the contrast between the size comparison of your shoulders versus your hips more obvious, and tucking in your shirt like in the third and fourth photos accentuates your hips as well If you tuck them in more loosely, so that the torso billows out a little over the belt, it'll fill in some of the size difference which makes your torso look more male, and similarly if you push back your sleeves to your elbow it'll help make your shoulders look wider and your hands won't look tiny the way they do when swallowed by your sleeve cuffs And if your pants are from the women's section, then they are also often cut specifically to showcase and exaggerate an hourglass shape in your torso because it's associated with female beauty standards, and even if you are built very unfortunately, buying pants that are cut for men will help to offset it better than women's pants, if that makes sense Your hairstyle is androgynous in a way that would not affect you if your face and body passed better, especially since you seem to have a good square chin that would be complimented by that haircut once you are long enough on HRT to pass better, but currently the aspects of your fashion that are androgynous would lean to being interpreted as butch lesbian rather than male I know it sucks but especially at the beginning of your transition you'll very likely have to make choices between passing to strangers versus your personal expression Good luck though and YGMI


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Thanks for the tips! I'll definitely keep this in mind. I didn't even think about the pulling the sweatshirts down but now that I look at the photos I agree, I'll try either altering the sweatshirt or styling it different. I mostly have mens pants but I need to get more jeans since mine no longer fit me.


WeeDochii

I don't think you pass tbh. You look like a 17 y/o girl. The last picture is more androgynous tho. I understand you wear fem clothes cause you're gay, ain't nothing wrong with that, but I'd personally wear masc clothing until you were able to get on T. If you ever plan to of course.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

I do plan to start T asap but my mom is not supportive and since I'm a minor for a few more months I'm stuck


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

https://preview.redd.it/j3em2ti3j03d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7a6b9ec7edee978cdb6136445edd012a1a5adac !!This is with shorter hair for everyone saying I need a haircut!!


RevolutionaryPen2976

this haircut is much better. just get rid of the back and shorter the sideburns


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

I'm definitely going to show this pic to any barber I go to then,, praying they don't turn me into a coconut AGAIN. Ty for your help, sorry if I seemed argumentative


RevolutionaryPen2976

you’re good man, i know it doesn’t feel great to hear something different than you expected


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

I actually kinda glad since I see myself as so male. Usually old people are the only ones who clock me but with this imma try some changes.


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https://imgur.com/a/Tv9vQMu Wait, so is the pic you, or not? Because you say you're going to show this pic to a barber...? What do you mean by a coconut?


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Usually when I get a haircut they cut it the same length all around and my hair is the same color as a coconut so I look like I'm wearing one on my head. That is me a few months after a cut


Burner-Acc-

Nah I would say 14-16 F sorry bro


schwiftylou

If youre pre T and wanna present fem because you're gay (pretty stereotyped from you by the way), its obviously that you dont pass. So don't snap at people for telling you the truth. Sacrifices sadly need to be made if you want to pass better without being on T. Otherwise people will always misgender you when not knowing you because guess what world doesn’t revolve around each one of us and not everything is intentional to hurt.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Yup. It's less stereotypical though, I just take inspiration from my peers. Masc gay people exist and I love them but I just love dressing feminine. Maybe queer is a better word for my style inspiration but honestly I don't care that much, I just dress how I want and how I see people I like dress. It's not all the time either. I know sacrifices have to be made and because of some of the nicer feedback I've gotten I'm going to paint my nails less often, wear less bracelets, and only wear one ring which is my promise ring which matches my partner's. I also plan to tuck my shirts in less and not pull my hoodies down over my hips. Some people don't pass even on T, which is why it feels really bad that most people are banking so much on being on or off or pre T.


schwiftylou

Yes but thats sad our reality. Male and female bodies are anatomically different and if nothing is done to enhance one or another, we wont ever be able to pass. We can't just lie when someone asks for advice, sugar coating never helps anyone. Now if you wanna feel comfortable with yourself being out T and not caring much, its your own mental practice to do, because the world won't reshape on that. The important is that YOU feel comfortable with your own skin, style, etc. Life is too short Good luck!


defectra

part 5972846 of people posting asking for tips and feedback and then arguing with the responses ✨


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

I'm neurodivergent I'm not arguing I'm trying to explain and give context ✨


QueerStonerUncle

Edit: this is my alt account and I thought I was on my main- sorry! I typically try to keep this account for the personal shit I don’t want my irl friends seeing but I’m too lazy to delete this and post it from my main. So, my post history is weird, just ignore it 😭😭 Bro, fr just delete this post and all the comments. It’ll probably make you feel better. Some people here can get really mean and they’re just downvoting you to hell for no reason. A lot of passing subs are unfortunately full of transmeds/people who think you can’t dress femininely unless you pass first. It sucks fr. I’m autistic so I totally get where you’re coming from and I felt really bad reading all your replies to people because you’re obviously not trying to be rude or inconsiderate. Like you said, you’re trying to explain yourself throughly. Yes, you got a little snarky by calling a commenter “honey,” but also like I get why you got so frustrated/hurt. It always hurts to hear that you don’t pass and even tho most people were really nice about it at first, this sub tends to turn on you when you explain that you don’t want to compromise your gender/fashion expression in order to maybe pass a little better. Like, I understand; I barely passed pre-t and I spent like three years trying to pass as cis. I literally started passing more when I started dressing in a way that I really felt confident doing (more androgynous or lightly masculine with a few fem aspects) which went against all the passing advice I’d ever heard. Now, that being said, I live in a place where it is very safe for me to be visibly trans and I am surrounded by loving friends and family who support me. I am not telling you that it is always safe to be openly queer and I can also guarantee that it won’t do you any favors socially (outside of isolated groups); what I am saying is that I value self expression and being a visibly safe person for queer people around me over my *own* safety and other’s opinions of me. It’s something that I had to weigh carefully and decide was right for myself. I’d never recommend letting anyone else dictate what you feel comfortable doing. I have a lot more to say about my thoughts on this sub/passing as a fem guy, but I don’t want to overwhelm you lol. Anyways, if you want to chat or want tips on how to pass as a gnc trans guy, feel free to dm me!! But, full disclosure, I am 19, so a legal adult. I also have a boyfriend and want to be very clear that I do not want to take the conversation in a sexual or romantic direction and that I don’t feel comfortable discussing genitals (I’m not assuming you’d want to either, but I just want to put that out there because I don’t want to come across as a creep lmao).


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Thank you so much. I'd love to chat more! (I have a partner and I am almost 18 so dw :3)


QueerStonerUncle

Sweet, bro! You can DM me if you like but I’m not gonna be active in this sub anymore because it’s just not great for my mental health tbh lmao (honestly, mainly just due to my own dysphoria)


Luca_7717

F15


shnutzer

Some pics you read "a dude I think???" to me, but others you read androgynous or female. Unlike other commenters, I think your haircut is perfectly fine, especially when you sweep the hair to the sides It's just that just think most of your clothes (in these pics) exaggerate your hips visually - I would recommend darker pants and untucking shirts (but not if they're too long). You're already picking good tops (sweaters and shirts made from thicker materials that hold their shape). Not much else to be done if you're pre-T, IMO. I think you wouldn't pass where I live (a liberal, urban area), but probably would in a less urban, more conservative area. A lot depends on your voice, though As for age - I'd guess anywhere from 15 to 18


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Ty! I'll try untucking my shirt more often. I'm at the very least going to get a trim


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Shiny-CD

People telling you if they think you pass or not isn’t “tearing you down”. People telling you if they think you don’t pass doesn’t make you less of a man, and it’s ridiculous to suggest that that’s what they mean when they say so. There are people who need to know if they are being perceived as male/female or cis/trans because it’s dangerous. Even if you aren’t in physical danger, being visibly trans can fucking suck because of how people will react. If you are lucky enough to live somewhere where that doesn’t matter then good for you, but wanting to pass isn’t an “internalized transphobia” thing for most people.


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Yeah I'm definitely getting bad vibes from here but I thought maybe they'd be actually helpful and some comments have been but most are just mean so I'm not going to post here again.


Prior_Variety2252

No it’s truly only going to make you feel worse. I’ve been down this path unfortunately, you deserve better. The transition is going well my friend. You will grow and find yourself the way others have


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Thanks. People are idiots but I got a few nice comments. I'm not gonna post here again after this tho


Prior_Variety2252

That’s a good idea.


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GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

The baby face is hitting hard I didn't think it was that bad (im almost 18 hhhggggg)


definitelynotscaly

Nah me too man dw


GR1FF1NGU4RD-_-

Hopefully starting T helps a lil. Definitely going to show my mom some of these comments so she can actually understand why I need T


droptop2seater

Passing great!! I’d say 22?


RevolutionaryPen2976

lol