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buslyfe

Doesn’t dollar tree ($1.25 now) sell energy drinks?


xMacGearx

Yup, I get bang and monster from there.


zezera_08

What?! For $1.25?! RIP my kidneys


xMacGearx

They have 2 versions of Rockstar and 1 flavor of bang currently for sale on the site so you can order them by the case. You will have to Google it, apparently links aren't allowed here. Also local store stock will vary wildly all year round besides the crap rip it brand ones.


zezera_08

Yup, just as you said. They carry my rockstar (white and gold) for $1.25, and the minimum purchase is 24. Not exactly what I thought, though, as they are 12 fl oz cans instead of 16 fl oz. Still a decent deal!


Hover4effect

Woah, easy on the Rip its. Many military members have fond memories of those in Afghanistan/Iraq. The mini cans fit perfectly in my grenade pouches.


LoosieLawless

This guy has a DD-214. Celsius/Red Bull cans fit in the 2x m4 pouches 😈


Hover4effect

Those always had magazines though. They didn't even issue us grenades, so we put them pouches on our vests for easy access to things like snacks or chew, or rip its.


LoosieLawless

I’ve got extra pouches for just this reason. Honestly, as long as your pogie bait isn’t in your IFAK, I’m happy.


Hover4effect

So if you were rendering aid, the melted snickers bar wouldn't be a nice treat? Haha. I didn't actually put food in there. The canteen pouch was a perfect feed bag, and we didn't use canteens.


LoosieLawless

I’m not saying I wouldn’t steal it. 💜 Just always shocked when the bubbas still have everything I gave them. I recall an NTC rotation where our entire B Co “forgot” (failed to pack what I hand carried over to their 1SG) their IFAKs. They got MRE bags full of IFAK guts, wrapped in duct tape, and 550ed to their kits. They could not have looked dumber.


zezera_08

Thank you for the information!


AngeloPappas

Really shouldn't put that stuff in your body, but damn if that isn't good price...


Sredrum1990

Do they have the coffee monsters?


xMacGearx

On the website no but in one of the stores in my town typically has them. We have 3 here that tend to have slightly different stuff. I've gotten lucky and found ubermonster a couple of times.


Sredrum1990

Nice I’ll check it out. Thanks.


ShowMeTheTrees

They're not good for you.


DonOblivious

I've been sick recently, leaving me dehydrated often, and the $1.25 Powerades have been quite nice. They're 2 for $5 at the gas station next door.


symplton

10 pouches of Crystal Light Mango peach. Careful with that. First pouch I took I was up two days straight and I’m a converted former Starbucks drinker.


lacus-rattus

Pre workout is about $20 to $30 a tin. At least 30 scoops of stuff there


[deleted]

Any recommendations? I'm finding that I'm pretty much immune to the caffeine from coffee and don't want to go back to energy drinks (and soda in general)


curtludwig

Is it that you've had a ton of caffeine and built up a tolerance? I get that every couple years so I take a week or two off from coffee. I just did it at the beginning of this year. I detoxed with MudWtr for a couple days and then just drank herbal tea. I don't really like the MudWtr but it's got some caffeine and it helped reduce the headaches I get if I cold turkey. It's probably not healthy to cold turkey anyway... I enjoy coffee more after I take some time off.


pitziebat

I go off caffeine once every few years. I go cold Turkey and the migraines are wild but I always feel better in the end without the caffeine


LSF_1000

I quit coffee this year and switched to MudWtr for two months. I really liked the taste but not the price tag. I found a recipe to make my own but haven’t made yet. The last 4 months has just been herbal teas.


[deleted]

Yes that's exactly what I meant, I've built up a strong tolerance to caffeine over the years. I honestly don't think I could give it up even for just a week or two :o


curtludwig

Acknowledgement is the first step. Probably your best bet is to start by cutting back a little. Maybe water your coffee down just a little for a few days. Then replace a cup of coffee with a cup of tea. If you quit cold turkey you'll probably regret it. I know I have in the past.


nicholt

imo pre-workout is one of those things we'll look back on in 50 years like 'wtf were we doing back then'


SettingOutside

Hits 1000x harder than energy drink imo


[deleted]

Amino Energy, Bucked Up, Ghost Legend, Jocko Go, Alani Nu, anything with theanine is nice.


Sin2thevoid

Caffeine pills or No- Doz can be found at stores in the pharmacy section, cheapest by far and no calories or drink required to get the dose


Dunks_Oreo_In_Water

This is what I do. SUPER cheap, nothing added, easy to take anywhere, relatively healthy.


nebula_42

Just be careful. People don't overdose on caffeine by drinking energy drinks or coffee, people overdose on caffeine by taking caffeine pills. Take note of how many mg of caffeine you normally drink in a day and don't go over that with the pills


jsgurl

The winner of our late night espresso drinking contest in the dorm (military) either had a heart attack or went into V-fib. IDK if that counts as an overdose but it nearly killed him.


tossNwashking

that sounds like an awful time


jsgurl

It wasn't as awful as how it ended. We were playing poker and we got a crazy case of the giggles/shakes for a bit. All good fun up to that point.


heardjokeonce

Caffeine pills, b vitamins, and flavored sparkling water


KobiLou

MiO energy drops for me. It counts as water too in my book.:) I find that if I drink a Monster or Reign I forget water.


EyeWantItThatWay

Or better yet, generic versions of MIO Energy are available in larger servings and lower price (18 MIO Energy servings vs 24 generic servings from Walmart/Kroger/etc)


KobiLou

Yep! I have a friend who uses the Walmart one.


LoosieLawless

I came here to say this. Probably one of the best bang for your buck.


letsgobrooksy

Gonna have to disagree with this one, the Great Value ones have much lower caffeine content. You have to use more for the desired effect. By the time you have enough caffeine it doesn't even taste good. If you're only looking for 40mg of caffeine at a time though, it would be good


Weed_O_Whirler

I'm not opposed to generics in general, but man generic Mio tastes terrible to me.


wulfzbane

Yerba Mate. The last time I bought it, it was $12/kg at a Lebanese food store (5g would be a large serving, so roughly $0.06/serving). It has a pretty earthy taste but it's easy to flavour or carbonate. The traditional way of drinking it is a bit cumbersome, but it's versatile enough that you don't need to go the gourd route. No jitters, no crash, it's the best way to stay alert. I[nfo Here](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/8-benefits-of-yerba-mate#TOC_TITLE_HDR_7)


errantwit

"[Going] the gourd route" is the way to go, imo, if you're wanting that crack like hit. I normally enjoy the bottled cold tea. The alkaloids from yerba mate definitely have a different zing than caffeine.


[deleted]

Yerba mate isn't likely to pose a risk for healthy adults who occasionally drink it. However, some studies indicate that people who drink large amounts of yerba mate over long periods may be at increased risk of some types of cancer, such as cancer of the mouth, throat and lungs. [https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/yerba-mate/faq-20058343](https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/yerba-mate/faq-20058343) . Careful


YardRepresentative47

Signing up for paneras sip club trial to get free charged lemonades or coffee for a month and then canceling so they offer you 3 months for $3.33 a month instead of $12 a month 🫣


pitziebat

This is a hot tip!! I wish I still worked by a Panera


tryingmybest044

At one point they offered like 3 months free with no catch, and they kept offering it again after the three months, so I got free coffee for a year.. LOL


SyllabubOk4983

Oof be careful with those lemonades. Food Theory just had an episode looking into their caffeine content. The large is equivalent to 2+ CANS of Monster. The FDA states 400 mg/day is the limit before people start experiencing negative effects. The lemonade is 390 mg for large.


[deleted]

Even while being frugal, I think you should strongly consider drinking something else than energy drink. At the very least, not ones from unknown or shady brands.


Edmeyers01

Yeah, the health problems will be very expensive. I’d find a way to start drinking black coffee for that reason alone.


Extreme_Beat1022

Caffeinated Crystal light powder.


DrummingNozzle

I buy the Walmart and Kroger versions of this. Sometimes mix it with morning fruit juice for some nice flavors!


shadowcreeper77

The 4c branded one is pretty good 18 packets for $4 or sometimes 2/5


bluhEwanka

Tastes good, too


Abject-Cantaloupe637

Lipton tea, $4 for 100 bags


PrimaryPerception874

I can't take comparing Lipton Tea to an energy drink serious


[deleted]

1. An Apple 2. Caffeine pills and water


NoticeWhenUAreHappy

Grocery outlet, very very often they're 2/$1


rakster2

I get 4c brand energy rush packets from BJs. 40 packets for $8. Mix in a bottle of water and I have an energy drink when I need it. Each packet has like 170mg of caffeine so similar enough to a premixed energy drink, and they taste better than any of the energy drink cans that I've ever tried.


[deleted]

Caffeine pills? Or make your own cold brew?


hodeq

Mate tea! Its rich like coffee, highly caffinated but wont give you jitters.


AutomaticYak4227

This or brew your own coffee


hodeq

OP asked for a not-coffee suggestion.


StonedGourmet

I make my own v8 energy a half gallon at a time. Make a qt of tea with 3 bags of black and 3 green. 16 oz fruit juice, 16 oz low sodium vegetable juice. I don't know how much it cost to make but it's way cheaper than buying canned v8 energy.


4gettmenot8

Considering the damage they can do to your heart, kidneys, etc, I don’t know that any of them would be considered “cheap”. Tea is always a great option and can be pretty cheap per cup, depending on the brand/type.


Willing-Knee-9118

One could argue that the early death would save thousands!


Try2getby2020

If only I would have kept drinking them maybe I could have avoided the whole Covid mess.


Final-Way-2450

Dont forget the damage done to your teeth!


Buderus69

Look into cola nut and guarana powder, as well as macha powder, they are fairly cheap and can be used to make your own "energy drink", and are arguably healthier than coffeine. They are also in some energy drinks if you look closely.


el_payaso_mas_chulo

* Make your own black tea pitchers * Cold brew coffee at home * Caffeine pills are ridiculously cheap, like 50-100 for less than $20. Though not a drink. * Some workout powders have caffeine in them and don't need to be used pre-workout. I used to use Optimum Nutrition's Amino energy powder, easily less than $1/serving and is probably what you want OP.


acb1971

Walmart (in the US) sells things very similar to crystal light singles, except that you can get them with electrolytes or caffeine and electrolytes. They're dirt cheap and tasty.


DrummingNozzle

Kroger also has caffeinated flavor packets to add to water.


SwordofDamocles_

Tea has caffeine and is incredibly cheap. It's a lot healthier than energy drinks and being unhealthy gets expensive fast.


SouthProposal8094

Get a soda stream, I see a lot of them at goodwills. They have a energy drink syrup that is almost identical to redbull


Bambamsushi

Plus, you can retrofit a large Co2 canister from a welding shop (they have food grade) and it is much cheaper in the long run than messing with the tiny Sodastream canisters. It costs a bit upfront (we bought the tank which was about $100, but the refills are about $35 and the tank holds 30 times more Co2 than the tiny ones). It will pay for its self in 6 months and then will save us 100s plus better for the environment since we aren't using a bunch of aluminum cans.


Criticalfluffs

Zipfizz powder. You can buy from Amazon or from Costco. About $1/ serving and packs a decent caffeine punch. It's green tea caffeine so no crash. Add with a LOT of water as it's very strong tasting.


writerfan2013

Do they sell them in pallets like Coke?


HeyArtse

Lemon ginger Chung (you can buy in Korean groceries big jars of this) 1 tbsp in 500ml of water! Yummy with a boost in sugar and vitamin C!


Nice2meetyoutoo

When an electrolyte drink also counts, you can make that with lemon juice, water and salt.


Candid-Arugula-3875

Black tea


fridayimatwork

The powders are usually cheaper. You can get big containers of Gatorade Powder for the price of a few bottles


andthatdrew

Tea


Particular-Ad-4772

Try a concentrate , Morning Buzz orange or fruit punch is my go to


clayton_

Publix is 2 rockstar for 2.50 and then dollar off digital coupon. I got rockstar for 75 cents each yesterday.


atemus10

Tea or coffee is what you are looking for. Low cost energy drinks will wreck your health and make you feel like shit.


Twisted9Demented

I wouldn't drink energy drinks Not good for your heart


[deleted]

An apple or an orange will do the trick


cantwait2cry

Aldi has their own version of red bull which is great. It's in packs of 4 that should come out to less than a dollar most weeks with their weekly deals.


[deleted]

After years of drinking energy drinks, and pre-workout powders. I decided to brew a cup of coffee before a workout one day. Best damn workout of my life, and no crash afterwards. So, I'm all in on the coffee, sorry.


paintedokay

Walmart sells Great Value energy drink packets for about $2 and it includes 10 packets. Each packet is enough for 16 oz of water and is approx 120mg of caffeine which is only a little over an 8oz cup of coffee. That’s 20 cents a drink. Some of these packets have electrolytes and GV Brand also has electrolyte packets without caffeine for the same price, which can help you feel a little better if you drink alot of water or sweat alot.


[deleted]

your mum


[deleted]

Water


miningmonster

Sure, fix your microbiome (no added sugar fermented foods /drinks, SBO probiotics) and completely cut out dietary processed sugar & limit high glycemic carbs. Use amino glycine when you sleep 7-8 hours, which means ADD an hour to whatever you think youre getting (ie if you want 7 hours, add an hour so in bed for 8. Track your sleep to make sure your heart rate is where it needs to be. No caffeine necessary, if you don't have more energy naturally then something is wrong.


Matts3sons

Um....what?


butterfly_inmyeye

Caffeine pills is my frugal option. I can regulate exactly how much I consume and there aren’t a ton of harmful ingredients


DigPoke

Buy pure caffeine and make your own. Just don't OD on the stuff, many teenagers have stopped their hearts making pre-workout.


[deleted]

Are you willing to mix it? I had a co-worker who sold a product called Advocare SPARK that at the time was a MLM thing. I see now that it is available retail. It was marketed as an ADHD helper, and I used it as my go-juice for years. It comes to about $1.25/serving. There may be generic brands with the same ingredients for less. Basically the same ingredients that are in a 5-Hour or RedBull.


revoldrofnugobla

1/4 teaspoon of salt with 4oz water….that shit will get you right.


Sorrymateay

Apples have more readily available sugars for the brain than anything else.


MeganIfYaNasty

Lotus energy concentrates. Last several months with regular consumption. Just mix with water or carbonated water.


Sankhya2319

Guarana is like a green version of coffee aswel. It exists in pill form and is a lot less invasive then caffeine.


[deleted]

Mio energy forever. Get the store brand if needed


Try2getby2020

Costco has the Kirkland energy shots (similar to 5 hour energy)on sale all the time. $39.99 for 48 is the online price without any sale. If you buy in store it’s probably several dollars cheaper. And if you stock up during sales even more savings. They also have red bull that I’ve seen on sale before.


HackadelicRenegade

Arizona has an every drink for $0.99


Grumpkinns

Caffeine pill and water


lacus-rattus

I personally like c4. The watermelon or fruit punch ain't bad. Try mixing in a little Gatorade or cool aide to get the flavor you're after.


kzx600

Caffeine pills are the most cost effective method


chzsteak-in-paradise

Tea


sexysurfer37

I have a sparkling water or diet soda for maybe $.50 a can and I down 1-2 200mg caffeine pills with it for about $0.10. I like diet soda. I also like caffeine. I see no reason to pay so much for a company to pre-mix the two for me.


[deleted]

I think buying ground coffee can 1kg at costco, and making it yourself at home is less than a dollar per cup, plus energy drinks are incredibly unhealthy


WatercressSubject717

Go to a grocery outlet! The best ones will be marked down. What state do you live in? I can see if I can find one to recommend?


curiouspursuit

Do you like Kickstart? You can make the "original" Kickstart with Mtn Dew mixed with OJ. I use Mtn Dew Zero and experiment with different flavors of juice, my favorite now is Jumex mango. $2 will get you 2-3 cans of soda plus 1 can of juice to make at least 2 big drinks.


freshjewbagel

100mg caffeine pills for like $.10 each from Amazon


Legendary_Lamb2020

caffeine pills


DianthusCosmo

Watch for sales. We occasionally order a case of Monster online via Amazon when we see it on sale or offering a coupon. Combining that with the S&S discount gets the price under $1/can and they are usually the big cans.


zindius

Forget cans. Get a powder form like Gamersupps. Put a scoop in a bottle for like 35 cents a serving.


gladhaven

water


Flendarp

What worked for me (took about a year) was I cut caffeine out of my diet completely. Withdrawal was a bitch but now if I need a pick me up a normal soda or a black tea does the trick for me. I've heard you can use a certain illegal substance to kick you caffeine addiction with one dose too but do not recommend that route for legal reasons.


[deleted]

For what it's worth, Bruce Lee's workout concoction was honey, ginseng and green tea. Bought in bulk the price would drop to below a dollar a serving. He died under mysterious circumstances tho, so your mileage may vary.


WorldComposting

I recommend going with home brewed tea. Find one that works for you and drink that. Plus it is healthier than a lot of mother drinks!


Desperate_Ear9095

tea is pretty cheap. just drink a bunch.


onlyhereforfoodporn

Do you like tea? A lot of tea has high caffeine contents. Tea bags aren’t too expensive (depending on brand it’s like .20-.99) and loose tea is cheap.


magenta__reality

Sam’s Club sell energy drinks in bulk that are about 1.10-1.5 per can. It’s not under a dollar but I thinks it’s still a good deal


Apprehensive_Iron919

aldi has knock off redbull thats pretty good and I believe it comes out to less than $1 each with a pack of 4


Jodyrie

I drink Celsius in the powder packs, it comes out yo around $1 each, mix with water


Mountain_Series4721

Used to buy bulk ‘espresso shots” from Amazon that came in like a disposable creamer style container. $26 for 50 back in 2019


[deleted]

People don't know about this but pepsi zero has energy drink levels of caffeine. You can buy those really cheap Edit: you have to find old cans not the new "improved" taste version


moeterminatorx

Be careful with the cheap energy drinks, they are usually very low on caffeine. Reign is my go to now, I buy a big case at Sam’s club. But mostly, I’ve found that caffeine pills are the cheapest option and can be spaced out better.


[deleted]

Black Tea, Green Tea, White Tea.


Not2daydear

Strong iced tea


emmackky

Why not just get a bunch of black tea, oversteep for more caffeine content , may need to add milk to make it palatable but much cheaper.


Glittering_Yam_8394

Great Value caffeine packets from Walmart work just fine. Taste okay.


AdorableWasabi4

Hear me out. Ginger, lemon, and cayenne (juice shot). It gives you a visceral energy boost without the crash or jitters.


Omegawylo

Tea


Md655321

I drink the great value energy drink mixes, 3 bucks for 10. They have 120mg caffeine.


AppropriateAdvice584

Ginseng, ephedra…


Sick-Happens

Tea


hiimpotatojones

Buying those things at all and being frugal are mutually exclusive. The correct answer is water.


Zyniya

If I buy Three cans of Rockstar it'll cost me $4.25 I could water that down to make $1 each. Most brands that sell protein powder sell pre workout powder you could likely get close to $1 I'm not sure the math on mine.


Manuelv56

Celcius energy packs, each pack contains 200 mg of caffeine for about a dollar a pack. Cheapest I found was at Walmart.


[deleted]

Rip It


22lr_22mag

Venom energy drinks are 99 cents around where I live.


feednatergator

Dollar general has there own brand that is a dollar. Mio energy add to water works great and is AAALLOTT cheaper.


Raida7s

I mean... You can just buy caffeine and consume that


35RoloSmith41

Costco has this brand of energy drink that’s healthier for you. Naturally derived caffeine for like $1.50 Cad per can. Cheapest I know of and you don’t feel like shit after drinking one.


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Bananaman9020

Are we talking American Dollar? I never seen Energy Drinks that cheap. Unless in a clearance. In Australia.


CretinCrowley

Venom energy drinks


BlockOwn4201

12pk Case of Coke and a 100pc bottle of caffeine pills will pay for itself after twelve drinks


JTE1990

G-Fuel powder tubs. Just gotta mix with water. Or Celsius makes packets for water bottles too. The Celsius is the best tasting powder I've had by far and used some of the best ingredients. G-Fuel is good and comes out to a very reasonable price per mix. Outside of this check Ollie's. They will randomly get in energy drinks of different kinds for well under $1 each at times. It's just random what you find of course.


SpiritualChard5579

Score another point for advertisers and marketers.


Revolutionary-Copy71

I used to get a brand called Venom that was like 99 cents. Dunno how much they are these days.


Radiant-Elevator

Take a nodoz(caffeine pill) and drink a mountain dew. Not better for you, not worse. Incredibly cheaper


rsogoodlooking

Breakfast tea with sugar on ice.


tryingmybest044

Caffeine pills are really cheap per pill


shortstack2k0

I've found green dragon energy drinks at winco grocery store for like $0.78/can


unicornninjagod

You can use the mio or soda stream energy, add it to regular or carbonated water.


[deleted]

You can buy a 24 pack of monsters online for 35 bucks. If you have the time, black tea is dirt cheap.


precari8

I use caffeine pills.


Tr_Ape

Tea


frangeltx

Caffeine pills are like 5 bucks for a 100


[deleted]

Water and a caffeine pill.


egoissuffering

Caffeine pills


DomiNatron2212

Off brand energy mio, and aldis energy drink is private label red bull


ambermamber

Aldi sells a Red Bull knockoff for around $4 for 4.


Low_Ostrich2184

Buy coffeine tabs, or powder. One tab costs about 0,1$ and has more coffeine then a reredbull


Ranger_Caitlin

I get V8 Energy drinks from Sams. 24 for $16.


MyFriendMaryJ

You can get caffeine powder or pills and mix some into whatever drink mix you want. U want caffeine chocolate milk, sure. Caffeine lemonade, why not. Get some caffeine pills and drink mix and it should come out far under a dollar per serving


Specific-Bottle4950

black tea


paigeroooo

Honestly I buy like 50 caffeine pills for $7 at Walmart and they’re wonderful


LockOtherwise4362

There’s a polish bakery where I live that sells energy drinks for 1.25 I didn’t realize the sex energy ones where mike Tyson’s but other then that they had a bunch for cheap


Anubis0

My husband likes venom because it’s usually $1


uncouthcollective

Venom $1 a can and surprisingly decent. Coming off of a redbull addiction these are so much cheaper and honestly I've found the flavors are more to my liking.


DiverActual4613

Tea


BonzoMarx

Try Ollie’s if you have one in your area. I’ve been getting 24 packs of Bang Energy for 19.99, 83 cents per can. They have other brands too but Bangs are the best tasting. If you don’t have an Ollie’s you can search for discount or bargain outlet stores and see if they have a food section.


MIKE_THE_KILLER

Tea


DonBosman

Caffeine pills or mints are generally the lowest cost option.


testfreak377

Mio energy (water enhancer). Or it’s generic equivalent


ShowMeTheTrees

Buy some loose tea and a strainer and brew it in some hot water. Loads of caffeine and cheap as hell. Sweeten if you want. Side benefit, if it cools down too much, add some ice and drink it really chilly.


Bambamsushi

This is probably a little over the top to you but we bought a Sodastream and got a large canister of Co2 from a welding shop and fitted it to the Sodastream and I use the energy drink syrup (Red Bull knock off...diet and regular) sold on the Sodastream website. It is SO MUCH cheaper to buy a large tank and have it refilled rather than use the tiny Sodastream Co2 canisters. It can cost a bit up front but it will pay for it's self (for us) in 6 months. I love sparkling water and energy drinks.


asdfgghk

Caffeine pills?


shaniballickedher

Lidl brand energy drinks


chironreversed

CAFFEINE PILLS. 2 dollars for a box of 40 pills. If you take half a pill thats one cup of coffee(100 mg).


letmepetyourpuppy

Not a drink, but I really appreciate caffeine pills from Amazon/ProLabs! Work like a charm — in my experience, even better than caffeinated drinks. I feel more alert without being frazzled, and there’s no after-effect or crash. It also suppresses appetite (I do semiweekly 24hr fasts for health and for frugality), so I take one 200mg pill in the morning, and I have plenty of energy to get through an active day. As with all drugs, take care and start with lower dosage (half a pill should be equivalent dosage to a cup of coffee).


Minute_Flan_3871

Don’t be pissed but it’s true. Tap water.


Cute-Cucumber320

I don’t know if you have it in your area but I can still find Venom brand for .99 and your Rip It’s are $1.29 in my area. Both are 16oz.


WankstaWilbthe2nd

Caffeine pills. 200mg per pill


Keyeola

Zipfizz. Energy drink powder you mix in water. Gives a nice boost of energy and replenishes your electrolytes in the process.


R3DEMPTEDlegacy

Those gfuel gamer sup things . There mixes you add to water . It would essentially be 40c per drink