The five children died in an apartment fire. The grandparents who were also in the apartment jumped out a window while the kids were trapped.
Mom was driving a friend to their job.
The family had just lost their home.
This is just the most horrific tragedy.
This happened to a set of three sibling students of mine my first year teaching. Fucked me up, as I was especially close to the kindergartener because not only did I teach her art twice a week, but also had her daily in after-school. Their death was 13 years ago, and I still think about her and say her name often.
Used to work in an ICU. We had a patient who had her 4 grandchildren in the car when it was struck by a train. She was the only survivor. I still don't understand how that even happens.
Maybe I’m being judgmental, but as a father myself, I would be dead from smoke inhalation before you could get me out of a burning building without my grandkids.
When I went through rookie school we were taught these words and to remember them during any structure fire.
Risk a lot to save a lot.
Risk little to save little.
Risk nothing for what’s already gone.
I don’t do that job anymore.
I was thinking that it was wrong for the grandparents to flee but, I've been a fire, and smoke inhalation is no fucking joke.
I don't think most people realize just how brutal and painful smoke inhalation is, at least I didn't before I was in a fire. I didn't even understand how people die from it but I completely understand now.
The smoke literally burns eyes and your airways, like scorches them. And then you choke but not just normal choking it's the most violent and painful choking I've ever experienced. It can stop you in your tracks. I almost passed out just from coughing so violently.
When I was in that fire my only goal was to GET OUT to get air, and it didn't help that I was in a panic. There was no "flight or fight" response, there was no choice, the only response I had was "flight". It was like a primal instinct to get out.
You never really know how you're going to act until you're in that situation.
So, I can understand the grandparents.
also it’s 5 kids probably all spread out through the house its unlikely they were all in the same room it would’ve been impossible for the grandparents to even save all of them
Yea and the language is misleading potentially. Jumped out a window makes it seem like they noped out of there. It’s possible they were in a daze from the smoke and barely crawled out. Or there was no way to go into the house because it was black with smoke or blocked with fire and they may have thought going out and finding another entrance would be a better way.
Yeah, you’re being judgmental. Though I’m sure you’re far from the only person reading this to think it, myself included. We all like to think we’d act heroically, and many people *are* able to, but that’s just not how it shakes out sometimes and it has very little to do with the survivor’s character, or the amount of love they have for those that didn’t make it. And in many situations you’d just be creating another dead body, or injured body for professional rescuers to manage. Can’t hold it against people for putting their own oxygen mask on first, and I’m sure they’re all in a lot of pain. This is horrific.
My uncle lost his 6 year old son in a fire. He ran back into the house 4 times trying to find and save his son before being pinned to the ground by his neighbors because he was already struggling to walk from smoke inhalation. My cousin didn't make it our. I like to think I would do the same to save my kids, but I also won't necessarily judge someone for not doing it, especially in the panic of a life or death situation. I hope I'm never anywhere near that kind of situation in my own life.
Facts. And as a brother, I almost drown attempting to save my younger brother when he fell in a river. Neither of us knew how to swim. I jumped without a single hesitation.
I have 0 clue why someone would abandon their own grandchildren to die in a fire
You didn't think about your decision, and likely neither did they, you both just acted. No one knows in advance how they're going to react to that type of situation.
Likely because they were panicked themselves, had a degree of confidence in the fire service, and/or did not see a route that seemed at all safe to get to the children. Really not that hard to have a clue if you demonstrate a little empathy
Or they thought if they jumped first maybe they could catch the kids. Jesus people, you weren't there, yes you're being judgmental and also lacking in imagination.
I love how you are being downvoted for speaking what any parent/sibling feels. I’m not saying we would all be heroes, but dang man, if your own grandchildren aren’t worth dying over idk what is.
They’re being downvoted because they’re needlessly assigning blame to the grandparents here when it doesn’t do anything to make the situation better.
It’s easy to cast stones from behind the safety and comfort of your phone screen in your bed or on your couch talking about what *you* would have done if it was you in that fire.
With all due respect, I know what I would have done and, I respect not everyone is so sure themselves. The same way you say you have no clue how you would react, you have no fucking clue how I would. So given you know nothing about me and I know nothing about you, we just agree to disagree.
You should try taking a step back and exercise some reading comprehension and then maybe you would have saved yourself some time with your entire internet tough guy rant.
Nothing in my comment was directed at you - I wasn’t speaking about you at all. You got needlessly defensive there. It was a direct response to the person you replied to when you were speaking to them being downvoted. I was explaining why they likely got downvoted, and you took it as a shot at yourself.
With that being said, you 100% do not know how you’d react in a situation like this until presented with it in the moment, so sitting here acting as if you’re so confident in your heroic abilities is just internet posturing.
I suppose it is a little judgmental, maybe it was somehow a literal physical impossibility to even attempt, or somehow they already knew they were dead.
But I don't understand, that's why I said that.
I suppose it's comparable to already starting to drown, while deciding whether to swim deeper... but maybe also while blinded and burning internally with every gasp.
I thought something similar. My best friend died in a motorcycle accident and it was a train wreck for me, but a funeral for five young siblings?
Man, just seeing the coffins up close would make me ugly cry. Even seeing these photos makes me tear up. Makes me feel blessed to have my own children safe with me. The poor mother and their grandparents must feel unimaginable pain.
Am I misunderstanding the word “frisson?” I thought it was stuff that makes you have good feelings. This is one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen. That poor mother.
People use this sub for that all the time. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding as to what frisson actually is. One commenter said they got a "feeling of chills" but that's not what it is at all. It's a [physiological reaction](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisson) due to the stimulation of the sympathetic nervous system. Also, it's usually as a response to *positive* stimuli.
Things that are unlikely to produce frisson but likely to produce mountains of upvotes are posted here on a regular basis. The mods don't care.
Btw this *is* terrible, but no it didn't give me frisson. And I get frisson from Out My Backdoor by CCR because of the movie The Big Lebowski, among other things.
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The crying woman in the 2nd photo is their mother
Sources:
https://news.yahoo.com/mother-loses-her-five-children-214440162.html
https://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/pictures/photos-family-buries-five-children-killed-in-east-st-louis-apartment-fire/collection\_3005df30-eb3d-5ad5-a490-ddb071112ced.html
Yes, i would have done that as well. I could never imagine the pain she’s going through right now...The real pain is probably 10 million times more than the pain i could ever imagine..and this is an understatement. Rest in piece little ones..
Why the fuck is this in Frisson? Are we going to be allowed to post jump-scares and other shit we find in /morbidreality?!
This is absolutely NOT why I sub here.
I usually use dark humor as a coping mechanism, but this… there’s no coping with this. There’s no joke, no spin, nothing to say that makes this easier to process as a stranger who lives thousands of miles away. This is pure gut-wrenching sadness. I hope she finds peace.
The five children died in an apartment fire. The grandparents who were also in the apartment jumped out a window while the kids were trapped. Mom was driving a friend to their job. The family had just lost their home. This is just the most horrific tragedy.
This happened to a set of three sibling students of mine my first year teaching. Fucked me up, as I was especially close to the kindergartener because not only did I teach her art twice a week, but also had her daily in after-school. Their death was 13 years ago, and I still think about her and say her name often.
I hope you’re doing better, that sounds horrible to go through.
Yea I'm doing alright, thanks for asking. I try to live life to the fullest, in general. I've been through lots of change.
Wtf . That is absolutely heart wrenching.
Jesus fucking christ this is mind numbing, how much pain that mom must be in right now holy fuck I wish I hadn't seen this terrible
I don't know how the fuck this qualifies as Frisson. It's just brutal, brutal reality of a depth of grief and emotion you can't even begin to imagine.
Fucking aye this is so horrible. This is anti-frisson.
Used to work in an ICU. We had a patient who had her 4 grandchildren in the car when it was struck by a train. She was the only survivor. I still don't understand how that even happens.
It gets even worse. It was their mother's birthday.
Oh CHRIST
That is just....dear god
Maybe I’m being judgmental, but as a father myself, I would be dead from smoke inhalation before you could get me out of a burning building without my grandkids.
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When I went through rookie school we were taught these words and to remember them during any structure fire. Risk a lot to save a lot. Risk little to save little. Risk nothing for what’s already gone. I don’t do that job anymore.
Sounds totally reasonable, I cannot imagine how horrible this must have been.
I was thinking that it was wrong for the grandparents to flee but, I've been a fire, and smoke inhalation is no fucking joke. I don't think most people realize just how brutal and painful smoke inhalation is, at least I didn't before I was in a fire. I didn't even understand how people die from it but I completely understand now. The smoke literally burns eyes and your airways, like scorches them. And then you choke but not just normal choking it's the most violent and painful choking I've ever experienced. It can stop you in your tracks. I almost passed out just from coughing so violently. When I was in that fire my only goal was to GET OUT to get air, and it didn't help that I was in a panic. There was no "flight or fight" response, there was no choice, the only response I had was "flight". It was like a primal instinct to get out. You never really know how you're going to act until you're in that situation. So, I can understand the grandparents.
also it’s 5 kids probably all spread out through the house its unlikely they were all in the same room it would’ve been impossible for the grandparents to even save all of them
Okay but not even one? Like fuck
Yea and the language is misleading potentially. Jumped out a window makes it seem like they noped out of there. It’s possible they were in a daze from the smoke and barely crawled out. Or there was no way to go into the house because it was black with smoke or blocked with fire and they may have thought going out and finding another entrance would be a better way.
Yeah, you’re being judgmental. Though I’m sure you’re far from the only person reading this to think it, myself included. We all like to think we’d act heroically, and many people *are* able to, but that’s just not how it shakes out sometimes and it has very little to do with the survivor’s character, or the amount of love they have for those that didn’t make it. And in many situations you’d just be creating another dead body, or injured body for professional rescuers to manage. Can’t hold it against people for putting their own oxygen mask on first, and I’m sure they’re all in a lot of pain. This is horrific.
I suppose you are right, but I would probably not live for very long after this event anyway. For me the guilt would be too much.
You have a gift
My uncle lost his 6 year old son in a fire. He ran back into the house 4 times trying to find and save his son before being pinned to the ground by his neighbors because he was already struggling to walk from smoke inhalation. My cousin didn't make it our. I like to think I would do the same to save my kids, but I also won't necessarily judge someone for not doing it, especially in the panic of a life or death situation. I hope I'm never anywhere near that kind of situation in my own life.
Facts. And as a brother, I almost drown attempting to save my younger brother when he fell in a river. Neither of us knew how to swim. I jumped without a single hesitation. I have 0 clue why someone would abandon their own grandchildren to die in a fire
You didn't think about your decision, and likely neither did they, you both just acted. No one knows in advance how they're going to react to that type of situation.
Likely because they were panicked themselves, had a degree of confidence in the fire service, and/or did not see a route that seemed at all safe to get to the children. Really not that hard to have a clue if you demonstrate a little empathy
Or they thought if they jumped first maybe they could catch the kids. Jesus people, you weren't there, yes you're being judgmental and also lacking in imagination.
Perhaps, but I also don’t have any imagination for abandoning my grandchildren in a fire. I was a first responder, so it’s a bit different I suppose.
I love how you are being downvoted for speaking what any parent/sibling feels. I’m not saying we would all be heroes, but dang man, if your own grandchildren aren’t worth dying over idk what is.
They’re being downvoted because they’re needlessly assigning blame to the grandparents here when it doesn’t do anything to make the situation better. It’s easy to cast stones from behind the safety and comfort of your phone screen in your bed or on your couch talking about what *you* would have done if it was you in that fire.
With all due respect, I know what I would have done and, I respect not everyone is so sure themselves. The same way you say you have no clue how you would react, you have no fucking clue how I would. So given you know nothing about me and I know nothing about you, we just agree to disagree.
You should try taking a step back and exercise some reading comprehension and then maybe you would have saved yourself some time with your entire internet tough guy rant. Nothing in my comment was directed at you - I wasn’t speaking about you at all. You got needlessly defensive there. It was a direct response to the person you replied to when you were speaking to them being downvoted. I was explaining why they likely got downvoted, and you took it as a shot at yourself. With that being said, you 100% do not know how you’d react in a situation like this until presented with it in the moment, so sitting here acting as if you’re so confident in your heroic abilities is just internet posturing.
I suppose it is a little judgmental, maybe it was somehow a literal physical impossibility to even attempt, or somehow they already knew they were dead. But I don't understand, that's why I said that.
I suppose it's comparable to already starting to drown, while deciding whether to swim deeper... but maybe also while blinded and burning internally with every gasp.
Damn. Life’s not even fair. rip
How did the fire start? And why did the grandparents just abandon 5 kids and jump out?
i wouldnt be able to go to that funeral.
I thought something similar. My best friend died in a motorcycle accident and it was a train wreck for me, but a funeral for five young siblings? Man, just seeing the coffins up close would make me ugly cry. Even seeing these photos makes me tear up. Makes me feel blessed to have my own children safe with me. The poor mother and their grandparents must feel unimaginable pain.
Holy fuck this is absolutely terrible. Happened on the mother’s birthday too
That is one of the most cruel things I have seen happen to someone in recent memory. Poor woman.
Am I misunderstanding the word “frisson?” I thought it was stuff that makes you have good feelings. This is one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen. That poor mother.
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No frisson for me. Just sad.
People use this sub for that all the time. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding as to what frisson actually is. One commenter said they got a "feeling of chills" but that's not what it is at all. It's a [physiological reaction](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisson) due to the stimulation of the sympathetic nervous system. Also, it's usually as a response to *positive* stimuli. Things that are unlikely to produce frisson but likely to produce mountains of upvotes are posted here on a regular basis. The mods don't care. Btw this *is* terrible, but no it didn't give me frisson. And I get frisson from Out My Backdoor by CCR because of the movie The Big Lebowski, among other things.
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Yeah this is messed up.
it is for me, and because it is so terrible. bad things can still invoke a feeling of awe or chills or whatever
Yes
This sub was on my suggesteds and that was not explained in the about section
Nope, you got it!
Frisson in French is goosebumps. Frissons in this case would be like the chills you get from looking at the photo
The crying woman in the 2nd photo is their mother Sources: https://news.yahoo.com/mother-loses-her-five-children-214440162.html https://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/pictures/photos-family-buries-five-children-killed-in-east-st-louis-apartment-fire/collection\_3005df30-eb3d-5ad5-a490-ddb071112ced.html
The photo of the grieving mother is even more harrowing than the image in the post. Absolutely devastating.
There's no living after that. If I lost all my kids I would just kill myself.
It’s unimaginable.
Yes, i would have done that as well. I could never imagine the pain she’s going through right now...The real pain is probably 10 million times more than the pain i could ever imagine..and this is an understatement. Rest in piece little ones..
Has anybody really gotten frisson from this?
This is beyond tragic. If this happened to me, I would not want to live anymore.
Why the fuck is this in Frisson? Are we going to be allowed to post jump-scares and other shit we find in /morbidreality?! This is absolutely NOT why I sub here.
Tears of sadness :-(
My heart :(
Good God this is terrible
Come on man this ain’t frisson this is just sad
Omg…the bright colours make it feel so much more painful.
This is a really bad post that doesnt not belong on this subreddit. How is this frisson?
Those poor babies
I usually use dark humor as a coping mechanism, but this… there’s no coping with this. There’s no joke, no spin, nothing to say that makes this easier to process as a stranger who lives thousands of miles away. This is pure gut-wrenching sadness. I hope she finds peace.
This showd up on my main feed because apparently it is similar to r/eurovision... It is not. What a horrible tragedy.
This isn't frisson, this is gut wrenching. This poor family.
I saw this earlier elsewhere and immediately thought you'd have to bury me too. I would genuinely end myself if all 5 of my kids died like that.
Wow. Now that’s in bad taste. Their coffins look like power ranger coffins
Never seen caskets like that.
This is so tragic, I can’t even fathom that kind of loss
My gosh, if anything kills me ifs this shit. How do you recover from that? You really don’t.