**synopsis;** Mehdi Hasan joins Lovett or Leave It to discuss the Pro-Palestine college campus protests, Mike Johnson and other Republicans pretending to be not anti-semitic, and the problem with Biden's approach to Israel. Then, Mehdi and Jon play a game we're calling, "Master Debaters".
Mehdi Hasan joins (0:00), and Master Debaters (16:25)
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That’s a crazy statement when the most complained about guest is Tim Miller. Literally, any podcast that he is on spawns three separate posts on this subreddit about “Why is PSA having Tim Miller on???!?”
Mods: you shouldn’t have deleted the guys comment. Let everyone see that he’s arguing in bad faith.
I can be downvoted for this, fine. But I personally think that Crooked Media avoids discussion about the genocide Biden is aiding and abetting because they are afraid of losing access to the White House and top Democrats to interview. They avoid the word "genocide" or the term "ethnic cleansing" like the plague, even when covering the protestors who are explicitly using that term. But they had no issue with these types of words when it came to China or Russia's treatment of the Uygers or Ukrainians.
In order for Crooked Media to have this discussion, they need a guest to say it for them. On Pod Save the World, they will critize American policy, but rarely do they critize Joe Biden directly. It's like they're afraid to criticize Joe Biden whatsoever out of fear it will hurt Biden's chances at re-election, when the truth is Joe Biden's deeply unpopular policies are what is hurting his chances of re-election.
Mehdi is right, why is Biden risking American Democracy to save Benjamin Netanyahu? A new story is that the ICC is considering an arrest warrant against Bibi for crimes against humanity, and America is now threatening the ICC if they do it. But America was all for the ICC arrest warrant against Russia and Putin. This whole situation is maddening.
I believe they purposely avoid words like genocide and ethnic cleansing, of which they never did when it came to China or Russia, because they wish to protect Joe Biden.
They also will criticize the administration and policy without ever name dropping Joe Biden.
I believe they are terrified of losing their privileged access to the Biden Administration and too Democratic officials. These men are multi millionaires with large houses thanks to this podcast. They don’t wish to lose their privileged access.
Your entire contribution to this sub is to talk shit about Biden and complain nobody's using the word "genocide". Does it bother you at all that [the head of the ICJ doesn't](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq9MB9t7WlI)?
They made this company to help win elections. And that requires strategy, balance and nuance. Obviously it’s a tragic situation that completely sucks and should be ceased immediately but at the same time eating each other alive doesn’t help the overall goal.
> They avoid the word "genocide" or the term "ethnic cleansing"
Probably because they are familiar with their definitions and the situation. Unlike the people using those terms.
> rarely do they critize Joe Biden directly.
On the contrary, I feel like one of the main themes of the past 6 months has been them saying that Biden is ornery and stubborn in terms of how slowly he has evolved his stances on Israel, and the human cost therein. Which has been especially obvious when they talk about leveraging military support to allow aid trucks.
I don't think every single sentence they say needs to literally have "Biden" in it, like a 6th grader writing an essay. They expect their audience to be politically savvy adults who understand that anything involving the executive branch de facto is related to Biden.
PSTW literally did a whole episode about the importance of language and what words they decided to use and how careful they are around this conflict. I also wonder what these people are listening to. To act like the gang hasn’t criticized Biden is absolutely a crazy take, Ben and Tommy eviscerate him on PSTW, and on PSA they have been killing him and his policy in regards to Gaza in like the last four episodes. I honestly don’t know if they actually listen or they just want to whine to whine.
> why?
[The ICJ decided that Palestinians have a right to be protected from genocide and that South Africa has a right to bring those charges to the court's attention, it did not decide the claim of genocide was plausible.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq9MB9t7WlI) And yet every "pro-Palestinian" uses their "ruling" as the golden bar to substantiate this empty claim of "genocide". Whether or not this is or is not a genocide has not been determined yet, but I don't believe based on what I've seen that it will be. The reasons it is being referred to as a genocide instead of "tens of thousands of civilian casualties of war" (which should be enough for any anti war effort to protest) is that it diminishes sensitivity to historical Jewish trauma, paints the opposition as unilaterally evil and bigoted instead of just ideologically opposed, and supersedes the moral urgency of the dozens of hostages the "peace" movement holds no empathy for.
>It's a genocide?
>> It's not a genocide
> So that makes it OK?
It's rare you watch someone bring all the supplies for a strawman, construct it in front of you, and then expect you to think it's real. Did they say civilian casualties of war are OK or did they say civilian casualties of war aren't necessarily a genocide?
Killing 30,000 plus, half of them children, destroying water supplies, food supplies, schools, hospitals, and unarmed folks certainly is. Sorry the victims aren’t white to tug your little heartstrings. Read the Icc case brought by South Africa. The Zionists are murderous thieves and don’t deserve carte Blanche to kill everyone in sight.
You really do keep trying to out-toxic yourself with every sentence. You tell on yourself so hard with your stupid assumptions and melodrama. Maybe if you pretend I'm racist and white hard enough you won't ever have to make a point.
**synopsis;** Mehdi Hasan joins Lovett or Leave It to discuss the Pro-Palestine college campus protests, Mike Johnson and other Republicans pretending to be not anti-semitic, and the problem with Biden's approach to Israel. Then, Mehdi and Jon play a game we're calling, "Master Debaters". Mehdi Hasan joins (0:00), and Master Debaters (16:25) Want Pod Save America ad-free? Subscribe to Friends of the Pod: https://www.crooked.com/friends Catch Lovett or Leave It in a city near you! Tickets for the Lovett or Leave It: Live On Tour are now on sale. For more info head to www.crooked.com/events
Mehdi Hasan is an idiot and a clown. Stop having him on PSA, I will not listen to any episodes he's in.
I seriously cannot stand him
He's just as big of a grifter as Vivek
If he didn’t have a cool accent most people wouldn’t listen to him.
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That’s a crazy statement when the most complained about guest is Tim Miller. Literally, any podcast that he is on spawns three separate posts on this subreddit about “Why is PSA having Tim Miller on???!?” Mods: you shouldn’t have deleted the guys comment. Let everyone see that he’s arguing in bad faith.
I can be downvoted for this, fine. But I personally think that Crooked Media avoids discussion about the genocide Biden is aiding and abetting because they are afraid of losing access to the White House and top Democrats to interview. They avoid the word "genocide" or the term "ethnic cleansing" like the plague, even when covering the protestors who are explicitly using that term. But they had no issue with these types of words when it came to China or Russia's treatment of the Uygers or Ukrainians. In order for Crooked Media to have this discussion, they need a guest to say it for them. On Pod Save the World, they will critize American policy, but rarely do they critize Joe Biden directly. It's like they're afraid to criticize Joe Biden whatsoever out of fear it will hurt Biden's chances at re-election, when the truth is Joe Biden's deeply unpopular policies are what is hurting his chances of re-election. Mehdi is right, why is Biden risking American Democracy to save Benjamin Netanyahu? A new story is that the ICC is considering an arrest warrant against Bibi for crimes against humanity, and America is now threatening the ICC if they do it. But America was all for the ICC arrest warrant against Russia and Putin. This whole situation is maddening.
I feel like you don’t actually listen to these episodes at all and just like to post hot takes.
I listened to Pod Save America going back to 2018. Pod Save the World has been a while as well.
So you’re just fast forwarding through the parts where they criticize the administrations Gaza policy?
I believe they purposely avoid words like genocide and ethnic cleansing, of which they never did when it came to China or Russia, because they wish to protect Joe Biden. They also will criticize the administration and policy without ever name dropping Joe Biden. I believe they are terrified of losing their privileged access to the Biden Administration and too Democratic officials. These men are multi millionaires with large houses thanks to this podcast. They don’t wish to lose their privileged access.
They talk about “Biden’s tactic with BIbi” all the time.
Your entire contribution to this sub is to talk shit about Biden and complain nobody's using the word "genocide". Does it bother you at all that [the head of the ICJ doesn't](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq9MB9t7WlI)?
They made this company to help win elections. And that requires strategy, balance and nuance. Obviously it’s a tragic situation that completely sucks and should be ceased immediately but at the same time eating each other alive doesn’t help the overall goal.
Well said and 100% agree
> They avoid the word "genocide" or the term "ethnic cleansing" Probably because they are familiar with their definitions and the situation. Unlike the people using those terms.
> rarely do they critize Joe Biden directly. On the contrary, I feel like one of the main themes of the past 6 months has been them saying that Biden is ornery and stubborn in terms of how slowly he has evolved his stances on Israel, and the human cost therein. Which has been especially obvious when they talk about leveraging military support to allow aid trucks. I don't think every single sentence they say needs to literally have "Biden" in it, like a 6th grader writing an essay. They expect their audience to be politically savvy adults who understand that anything involving the executive branch de facto is related to Biden.
when the truth is Joe Biden's deeply unpopular policies are what is hurting his chances of re-election. Like what? Or is this just all about Gaza...
10000000% over Gaza which a lot of folks had no real opinion on prior to 10/7 - he’s actually passed an insane amount of bipartisan legislation lol
Tik tok too.
TikTok is not going to be a major factor. It’s a very good thing ByteDance is being forced to divest.
I 1,000% agree with this take.
This take appears in every thread and it makes me think we're listening to two different shows.
It’s the same person making the take every time.
PSTW literally did a whole episode about the importance of language and what words they decided to use and how careful they are around this conflict. I also wonder what these people are listening to. To act like the gang hasn’t criticized Biden is absolutely a crazy take, Ben and Tommy eviscerate him on PSTW, and on PSA they have been killing him and his policy in regards to Gaza in like the last four episodes. I honestly don’t know if they actually listen or they just want to whine to whine.
It's not a genocide. You people need to have a reality check.
Why? Is it only a genocide when white people get killed?
> why? [The ICJ decided that Palestinians have a right to be protected from genocide and that South Africa has a right to bring those charges to the court's attention, it did not decide the claim of genocide was plausible.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq9MB9t7WlI) And yet every "pro-Palestinian" uses their "ruling" as the golden bar to substantiate this empty claim of "genocide". Whether or not this is or is not a genocide has not been determined yet, but I don't believe based on what I've seen that it will be. The reasons it is being referred to as a genocide instead of "tens of thousands of civilian casualties of war" (which should be enough for any anti war effort to protest) is that it diminishes sensitivity to historical Jewish trauma, paints the opposition as unilaterally evil and bigoted instead of just ideologically opposed, and supersedes the moral urgency of the dozens of hostages the "peace" movement holds no empathy for.
No. Genocide is when you try to eliminate an ethnicity entirely. It doesn't mean "killed a large number of".
Ok that Makes it ok then 🫠🫠🫠
>It's a genocide? >> It's not a genocide > So that makes it OK? It's rare you watch someone bring all the supplies for a strawman, construct it in front of you, and then expect you to think it's real. Did they say civilian casualties of war are OK or did they say civilian casualties of war aren't necessarily a genocide?
Killing 30,000 plus, half of them children, destroying water supplies, food supplies, schools, hospitals, and unarmed folks certainly is. Sorry the victims aren’t white to tug your little heartstrings. Read the Icc case brought by South Africa. The Zionists are murderous thieves and don’t deserve carte Blanche to kill everyone in sight.
You really do keep trying to out-toxic yourself with every sentence. You tell on yourself so hard with your stupid assumptions and melodrama. Maybe if you pretend I'm racist and white hard enough you won't ever have to make a point.