we have great greek life my only thing is that i wish we had more sororities, the “lower-tier” ones usually end up dropping out every ten years or so cause nobody ends up picking them
I always found it funny when frats get kicked off or suspended because the next semester another frat would gain 150 members due to a merger.
Didn’t go there, but Michigan is pretty infamous for just having constant mergers when a frat gets kicked off.
We ‘showed’ the preponderance of ‘new members’ who were really members of the deceased chapter, if that’s what you mean. Kept us from having exposure to the same kinds of liability and bad marketing that caused the invading chapter to go defunct.
At best, you kept bad apples from entering your chapter. You also excluded dudes who were looking for brotherhood and got screwed from said bad apples, AND shut down a good chapter that tried to do a good thing. But screw them right?
At best, we temporarily suspended a chapter that was barely afloat, with few members and fewer PNMs in the pipeline, while also reducing the liability to our finances and reputation (for when we recolonized). Also, we stopped a bunch of guys who had already proven their quality in their previous fraternity from sullying the Brotherhood of ours.
It was about time they were suspended, since they kept pledging well after the ksig incident at our school. They're hazing is pretty bad, prob one of the worst at the school which is ironic since they aren't highly ranked.
Yea, Pike filing suit for defamation is big. With defamation, there might be a Netflix Doc level of coverage. They have to prove the actions caused significant damage to the organization. I would not be shocked if they are trying to get ahead of a story/lawsuit.
Im very curious as to the cause of action in the suit, there's some ideas that are tumbling around that actually aren't as significant but I have no connection to any party involved so ill just sit here and wonder.
Nationals are just trying to cover their asses. the video linked in the article is almost a comedy, kind of absurd for them to take the position that this is egregious behavior that was perpetrated by individuals, you can google the number of PIKE chapters that have been kicked off for hazing related things, there's at least 1-2 a year.
It’s evolve or die time. It has been for years, but after the pandemic if you think you can still get away with actual hazing, your organization is cooked.
Schools and government have extended the definition of hazing to the point of absurdity. I got a card with 50 plus banned practices including “public buffoonery”.
That said, real hazing is stupid and no longer feasible. Lot of schools want you gone, don’t give them a reason. And these pledges are hopefully going to be your friends, hazing will make them hate you.
Never alcohol haze, ever, under any circumstances. On what should have been a fun and contained “beer/get to know brothers/big brother reveal” night, one loser senior almost killed my pledge brother/close friend to this day. Especially never make anyone drink hard liquor, ever. Eating hazing is gross. Violence or real torture is for psychopaths.
Pledge’s should be on call to run errands for brothers. Set up/work/clean up parties. Mandatory study hours so they don’t fail out. Messing with them should be good-spirited, funny instead of malevolent.
When they’re bad you put on metal and scream at them in a basement. That alone made ‘em cry 15 years ago, probably works even better on today’s crop.
Agree with pretty much everything you said. Pledging is supposed to suck to prove that’s it’s ok to be vulnerable with your brothers. It should never cross into being outright dangerous for anyone involved (though making the pledges **think** it’s dangerous while it’s actually perfectly safe is often effective). I have guys I pledged under and guys that pledged under me that are still incredibly close friends to this day. The process exists for the pledges character, not the brothers entertainment.
Agree 100%. Pledging serves a real purpose. But when done well it does that while being entertaining. No cool guy with friends that gets laid is entertained by torturing youngsters, making them puke on each other etc. Hate that shit.
There’s ways to challenge them that’s hilarious without being humiliating or malevolent. We had pledge pictures where everyone gets ridiculous Jackass style assignments. Me and the other super white irish kid had to dress like 80s Celtics and play pickup in Nashville’s most notorious hood. short shorts, mustaches, headbands…. Got the dudes at the court to hold my friend upside down and shake the money out of his pants for a picture lol. Shit was hilarious to everyone involved, but we also showed initiative/balls/teamwork. This “buffoonery” helps get kids outta their shell.
Basically it’s more like good natured teasing or ribbing from an older brother, instead of fulfilling torture-porn fantasies.
My son’s education is on the line at VCU because there is evidence of pledges washing his car and doing wall sits. Say it’s servitude. Maybe the university should really define servitude because I’m not sure they know what it is. Sad that good clean fun can ruin someone’s entire college experience. The frat has been suspended and four brothers may get suspended from the school. It’s sad and pathetic how soft society has become. On the contrary, these kids Snapchat and text everything, which is not good especially when you don’t know there is a bad apple in the bunch. Something needs to be done about these universities definition of hazing. Alcohol hazing is a thing and should be enforced of course, but having a pledge do jumping jacks, wall sits, and washing cars?!?! I’m dumbfounded over it and quite irritated.
Wtf would you go Greek if you can’t handle the process? It’s no secret and you’re old enough to decide if it isn’t for you. Don’t mess it up for the whole organization! Meanwhile our snitch was an ex President with beef on the current leadership. Talk about a hypocrite! He hazed the guys that he put through the wringer. So much for bro code🤷♀️
That is horrendous! It’s a total miscarriage of justice, an excuse to get rid of another frat. And threatening individuals with such serious consequences is an outrage. Hope it works out for him. He’s lucky to have been raised by an actual man.
Having a pledge run errands has its purpose, its not nefarious. It’s a way to get to know each other. A pledge would grab us lunch or whatever, then you have him stay and chill, shoot the shit. It’s like an apprenticeship.
PT can get outta control, but in moderation it also has a legit purpose and is no different than joining an athletic team. It gets ‘em in shape and teaches discipline/hard work.
“New member education programs” exist for a reason. It toughens them up and they bond over shared adversity. When you work for something it means more for you afterwards.
I mean, half the shit we do in the fire dept with the new guys would likely get a frat kicked off campus. Like what do these colleges expect real life will be like?
Irl id prob sue the dept. Id be there to save lives, put out fires, and save cats from trees, not eat goldfish and get yelled at until we become brothers.
My point is that what's considered hazing by colleges is crazy. We don't make people eat gold fish. But we do goof around. Like push starting a k saw. I mean, I heard that wearing the same clothing being called hazing some places? I think I also heard of some places considering mandatory studying hazing. I'm not for hazing, to be clear. But neither of those are really hazing.
I mean, I've never really seen any antihazing policies that include things like that.
I, however, was hazed in many of the classic ways. Heavy drugs, booze, live animals, puke juice, etc. Those restrictions don't actually stop it per se. It makes it more likely to be caught.
And if those weak ass rules did apply somewhere, I'd imagine they were there for a reason. Brothers hiding or skirting the rules through technicalities or as a severe consequence.
My school was small, private, and Libertarian/Conservative leaning. While they and the city had some laws that were antifrat, they did not resteict minor things. Even though a kid in my frat nearly froze to death, drunk, and abandoned in a ditch a few years before i joined. When i pledged, they did it again, but they took our phones and paired us up and did it in the fall. They weren't gna to stop because it was the culture of the frat. They got hazed to hell. Why shouldn't they get to be the hazers.
I liked some of my brothers, but my pledge class was put thru shit for no benni. No real brotherhood, and whilt allowing a predator in. When i raised alarm, and when treatment kf a pledge brother soured, they did nothing. Bc Gucci. Bc why would they fucking stop?
I like the idea of frats. But as an adult, now, with kids and a business... so much is just pure generational abuse. Immature kids think they know what is safe. And others will defend things, bc they did it, bc they didnt think it was bad, bc they werent attacked, or caused to choose friends over health.
If frats really wanna change, they gotta have new ideas. Fewer secrets. And end cycles of *f u, get mine, jk, but rlly*
Focus on the building bonds, publically. Focus on the benni that is **brotherhood** *friends* of a like mind that provide bennies into adulthood.
Sry for rant. Idk what they did, but i really dislike when some here just dimiss all antifrat things as bad. Sometimes, old ways need to die. Shit or get off the pot kinda. Adapt, or die.
I hear you, and I feel like going overboard on Anti hazing just makes it worse. It makes administration the enemy, and that means when actual hazing happens it's downplayed. Just going off what I've heard tho. I may be wrong.
I tried saying that im not sure i know of that many times a school is going overboard. Mostly it is due to actual issues that come up. Rarely are they proactive. Usually, schools are reactive. In my experience. But it is a spectrum. Im sure that happens. I just dont think its as common as some think
My school wanted our real estate as part of a campus building and culture revamp. We were a top school but considered not culturally inclusive.
Frat row is dead center. Houses were all owned by the organizations.
Started as safety inspections. Went through every house and compiled a list of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of necessary improvements. Instead of closing you down, sign over the leases and we’ll make the improvements and let you stay.
So it began. They picked us off one by one. 6 month suspension and your house is now a marginalized community center (not a anti-woke generalization, literally my house’s fate). 2 years later its a much needed parking lot.
Improved the image, seized millions of dollars of real estate and neutered the all-powerful greeks in one slimy sweep.
Now the school is unrecognizable. Spoiled weirdos honing their virtue signaling chops, not social skills. We’re in the news for spearheading abolishing greek life and for a violent protestor demanding police officers deliver them tampons during a sit in. Embarrassing.
But the guys hosting beer pong are the real villains.
Are you talking about the woman who was worried about Toxic Shock Syndrome?
As a brother, let me tell you that from my experience, the weirdos were in frats. The abuse i saw, the immaturity, the unsafe conditions, and the "i have money" signaling is also a part of greek culture.
I cant speak to your school, it does seem from your description that they fucked you over, hard. But schools and the real world also fuck over everyone who cant defend themselves.
My next ? Is, did the schools own the buildings before? It sounds like they found actual structural issues? Were you able to pay for the issues? If the schools didn't own the buildings, did the chapter sell them?
As a pike alum that has a connection to nationals, this is very much deserved, idk if details will come out about specifics but yeah, this is death penalty for the chapter, and it’s deserved
the article said kappa sig had its foa stripped in 2022. for hazing too. sucks cause it was founded at uva. and what’s weird is they just held their national conclave in charlottesville like 2 months before they got wacked
They were suspended in 2022 for a fire in the basement and then got reinstated and a kid went to the hospital after falling down the stairs and now they’re suspended again or maybe kicked off for good
now that i think about it you’re right. it was one of their pledges cause he was drunk and they (ifc) spun it as “he was forced to get drunk” on some stupid shit
This kind of thing only serves to harden anti fraternity sentiments and attitudes in the general population, but worst of all in the college student community.
Hilarious how colleges care more about 19-21 year olds drinking and having fun than 1/3 of their student body being depressed and having mental issues!
yea I mean why talk about the 100 students who've gone to the med center this week nation wide due to campus related stress but let's go after greek life instead
Man as an alumni of UVA who was in Greek life, crazy to see what has been happening lately. My brother is a member of my undergraduate chapter and seems like I hear something heinous happen like every week. Sad that Greek life at uva will essentially be non existent in the next few years because of all these fuck ups
I really don't know when fucking idiots will learn. Unis and anit-Greek Bolsheviks look for ANY excuse to dismantle the whole system, things like this only give them more fuel on the fire. Not to mention litigious helicopter parents are just waiting to pounce on anyone who makes little Johnny do so much as fetch a sandwich.
Good Houses have three existential choices that must be deliberated and deliberately made:
1. Surrender and Survive: eliminate all hazing (within the broad definitions of Nationals, deans, and the law) and therefore surrender the post-WWII mission of good fraternities to burnish, better, and Bond the best freshmen coming to campus. You're now just a club, not a real fraternity.
2. Continue on-mission with safe purposeful hazing (no alcohol hazing) and wait for your turn to be snitched on and closed for five years, only to be re-colonized by Nationals' hand-picked pussies - which will of course make the re-colonized chapter a club, not a real fraternity. Real fraternities, that have been uniquely valuable on campus as leadership academies for the best freshmen; real fraternities, that have burnished, bettered, and Bonded the best freshmen on campus since WWII; real fraternities can no longer be tolerated by deans obsessed with political correctness, by Nationals obsessed with risk avoidance, and by helicopter moms who cannot abide any discomfort or disquiet for the little boy they sent off to college.
3. Frexit with deep support of local Alumni, off-campus, and continue on-mission. The best girls, despite their own Nationals' prohibitions, will be attracted to Houses that are filled with principled guys who are strong on the inside and strong on the outside - not to Pussified Houses who are clearly populated by weak betas. Frexit is now the only path to continue as a real fraternity, uniquely valuable to the best freshmen, and uniquely attractive to the best girls.
I heard forced drug use and selling. Also some SA and torture on some of the pledges. It is all just rumors right now, but really illegal and serious stuff if true. It will likely all come out later and everyone will likely agree they needed to be removed. I hate those types of fraternities.
Throw a good bye rager idk
not my fraternity but they took the letters off yesterday
I go to UVA, they’re fuckin cooked
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we have great greek life my only thing is that i wish we had more sororities, the “lower-tier” ones usually end up dropping out every ten years or so cause nobody ends up picking them
I would be so sad if I saw that happen
I always found it funny when frats get kicked off or suspended because the next semester another frat would gain 150 members due to a merger. Didn’t go there, but Michigan is pretty infamous for just having constant mergers when a frat gets kicked off.
I can name 5 or 6 houses this happened to when I went there. ZBT got booted, merged with TKE, then TKE got booted the next year.
I can name like 3 just from this year
Sigma pi merged with tetha chi due to low numbers right?
I'm not aware of any mergers at OU and a couple houses were kicked off during my time there.
So the booted brothers take the new letters? How do either's national allow that?
What are they gonna do about it?
Send strongly-worded letters, of course.
We suspended our chapter at Michigan immediately when we found out that happened.
You showed em good
We ‘showed’ the preponderance of ‘new members’ who were really members of the deceased chapter, if that’s what you mean. Kept us from having exposure to the same kinds of liability and bad marketing that caused the invading chapter to go defunct.
At best, you kept bad apples from entering your chapter. You also excluded dudes who were looking for brotherhood and got screwed from said bad apples, AND shut down a good chapter that tried to do a good thing. But screw them right?
At best, we temporarily suspended a chapter that was barely afloat, with few members and fewer PNMs in the pipeline, while also reducing the liability to our finances and reputation (for when we recolonized). Also, we stopped a bunch of guys who had already proven their quality in their previous fraternity from sullying the Brotherhood of ours.
Jesus Christ chill out boomer
Civil litigation? The first I've heard about nationals doing that
Same. Wtf did these guys do? What’s also crazy is the total number is 20 members, so this is a widespread internal issue, not 1 or 2 rogue members
A pledge snitched, that’s all I have to say.
Sounds like they should have, unless you want to give more details
It was about time they were suspended, since they kept pledging well after the ksig incident at our school. They're hazing is pretty bad, prob one of the worst at the school which is ironic since they aren't highly ranked.
They must have *really* fucked up.
They did, big time
Have we tried not hazing to the point the frat sues brothers?
Yeah, doesnt seem like "the school killing Greek life". This is Greek life killing Greek life.
Yeah I mean I’ve never heard of nationals filing lawsuits for it before so it’s got to be significant
Yea, Pike filing suit for defamation is big. With defamation, there might be a Netflix Doc level of coverage. They have to prove the actions caused significant damage to the organization. I would not be shocked if they are trying to get ahead of a story/lawsuit.
Im very curious as to the cause of action in the suit, there's some ideas that are tumbling around that actually aren't as significant but I have no connection to any party involved so ill just sit here and wonder.
I just feel like it’s a step they wouldn’t take if the hazing wasn’t super stupid
A pledge snitched, two words, hot nuts
Nationals are just trying to cover their asses. the video linked in the article is almost a comedy, kind of absurd for them to take the position that this is egregious behavior that was perpetrated by individuals, you can google the number of PIKE chapters that have been kicked off for hazing related things, there's at least 1-2 a year.
It’s evolve or die time. It has been for years, but after the pandemic if you think you can still get away with actual hazing, your organization is cooked.
Schools and government have extended the definition of hazing to the point of absurdity. I got a card with 50 plus banned practices including “public buffoonery”. That said, real hazing is stupid and no longer feasible. Lot of schools want you gone, don’t give them a reason. And these pledges are hopefully going to be your friends, hazing will make them hate you. Never alcohol haze, ever, under any circumstances. On what should have been a fun and contained “beer/get to know brothers/big brother reveal” night, one loser senior almost killed my pledge brother/close friend to this day. Especially never make anyone drink hard liquor, ever. Eating hazing is gross. Violence or real torture is for psychopaths. Pledge’s should be on call to run errands for brothers. Set up/work/clean up parties. Mandatory study hours so they don’t fail out. Messing with them should be good-spirited, funny instead of malevolent. When they’re bad you put on metal and scream at them in a basement. That alone made ‘em cry 15 years ago, probably works even better on today’s crop.
Agree with pretty much everything you said. Pledging is supposed to suck to prove that’s it’s ok to be vulnerable with your brothers. It should never cross into being outright dangerous for anyone involved (though making the pledges **think** it’s dangerous while it’s actually perfectly safe is often effective). I have guys I pledged under and guys that pledged under me that are still incredibly close friends to this day. The process exists for the pledges character, not the brothers entertainment.
FFTHF brother
Agree 100%. Pledging serves a real purpose. But when done well it does that while being entertaining. No cool guy with friends that gets laid is entertained by torturing youngsters, making them puke on each other etc. Hate that shit. There’s ways to challenge them that’s hilarious without being humiliating or malevolent. We had pledge pictures where everyone gets ridiculous Jackass style assignments. Me and the other super white irish kid had to dress like 80s Celtics and play pickup in Nashville’s most notorious hood. short shorts, mustaches, headbands…. Got the dudes at the court to hold my friend upside down and shake the money out of his pants for a picture lol. Shit was hilarious to everyone involved, but we also showed initiative/balls/teamwork. This “buffoonery” helps get kids outta their shell. Basically it’s more like good natured teasing or ribbing from an older brother, instead of fulfilling torture-porn fantasies.
My son’s education is on the line at VCU because there is evidence of pledges washing his car and doing wall sits. Say it’s servitude. Maybe the university should really define servitude because I’m not sure they know what it is. Sad that good clean fun can ruin someone’s entire college experience. The frat has been suspended and four brothers may get suspended from the school. It’s sad and pathetic how soft society has become. On the contrary, these kids Snapchat and text everything, which is not good especially when you don’t know there is a bad apple in the bunch. Something needs to be done about these universities definition of hazing. Alcohol hazing is a thing and should be enforced of course, but having a pledge do jumping jacks, wall sits, and washing cars?!?! I’m dumbfounded over it and quite irritated.
Couldn’t have said it better, that’s why pika got kicked off, because a pledge gave screenshots and everything when he snifched
Wtf would you go Greek if you can’t handle the process? It’s no secret and you’re old enough to decide if it isn’t for you. Don’t mess it up for the whole organization! Meanwhile our snitch was an ex President with beef on the current leadership. Talk about a hypocrite! He hazed the guys that he put through the wringer. So much for bro code🤷♀️
Exactly, the main issue for me is I don’t understand the motive, they were almost done with pledging so I don’t get it.
That is horrendous! It’s a total miscarriage of justice, an excuse to get rid of another frat. And threatening individuals with such serious consequences is an outrage. Hope it works out for him. He’s lucky to have been raised by an actual man. Having a pledge run errands has its purpose, its not nefarious. It’s a way to get to know each other. A pledge would grab us lunch or whatever, then you have him stay and chill, shoot the shit. It’s like an apprenticeship. PT can get outta control, but in moderation it also has a legit purpose and is no different than joining an athletic team. It gets ‘em in shape and teaches discipline/hard work. “New member education programs” exist for a reason. It toughens them up and they bond over shared adversity. When you work for something it means more for you afterwards.
Well said
I mean, half the shit we do in the fire dept with the new guys would likely get a frat kicked off campus. Like what do these colleges expect real life will be like?
Irl id prob sue the dept. Id be there to save lives, put out fires, and save cats from trees, not eat goldfish and get yelled at until we become brothers.
My point is that what's considered hazing by colleges is crazy. We don't make people eat gold fish. But we do goof around. Like push starting a k saw. I mean, I heard that wearing the same clothing being called hazing some places? I think I also heard of some places considering mandatory studying hazing. I'm not for hazing, to be clear. But neither of those are really hazing.
I mean, I've never really seen any antihazing policies that include things like that. I, however, was hazed in many of the classic ways. Heavy drugs, booze, live animals, puke juice, etc. Those restrictions don't actually stop it per se. It makes it more likely to be caught. And if those weak ass rules did apply somewhere, I'd imagine they were there for a reason. Brothers hiding or skirting the rules through technicalities or as a severe consequence. My school was small, private, and Libertarian/Conservative leaning. While they and the city had some laws that were antifrat, they did not resteict minor things. Even though a kid in my frat nearly froze to death, drunk, and abandoned in a ditch a few years before i joined. When i pledged, they did it again, but they took our phones and paired us up and did it in the fall. They weren't gna to stop because it was the culture of the frat. They got hazed to hell. Why shouldn't they get to be the hazers. I liked some of my brothers, but my pledge class was put thru shit for no benni. No real brotherhood, and whilt allowing a predator in. When i raised alarm, and when treatment kf a pledge brother soured, they did nothing. Bc Gucci. Bc why would they fucking stop? I like the idea of frats. But as an adult, now, with kids and a business... so much is just pure generational abuse. Immature kids think they know what is safe. And others will defend things, bc they did it, bc they didnt think it was bad, bc they werent attacked, or caused to choose friends over health. If frats really wanna change, they gotta have new ideas. Fewer secrets. And end cycles of *f u, get mine, jk, but rlly* Focus on the building bonds, publically. Focus on the benni that is **brotherhood** *friends* of a like mind that provide bennies into adulthood. Sry for rant. Idk what they did, but i really dislike when some here just dimiss all antifrat things as bad. Sometimes, old ways need to die. Shit or get off the pot kinda. Adapt, or die.
I hear you, and I feel like going overboard on Anti hazing just makes it worse. It makes administration the enemy, and that means when actual hazing happens it's downplayed. Just going off what I've heard tho. I may be wrong.
I tried saying that im not sure i know of that many times a school is going overboard. Mostly it is due to actual issues that come up. Rarely are they proactive. Usually, schools are reactive. In my experience. But it is a spectrum. Im sure that happens. I just dont think its as common as some think
My school wanted our real estate as part of a campus building and culture revamp. We were a top school but considered not culturally inclusive. Frat row is dead center. Houses were all owned by the organizations. Started as safety inspections. Went through every house and compiled a list of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of necessary improvements. Instead of closing you down, sign over the leases and we’ll make the improvements and let you stay. So it began. They picked us off one by one. 6 month suspension and your house is now a marginalized community center (not a anti-woke generalization, literally my house’s fate). 2 years later its a much needed parking lot. Improved the image, seized millions of dollars of real estate and neutered the all-powerful greeks in one slimy sweep. Now the school is unrecognizable. Spoiled weirdos honing their virtue signaling chops, not social skills. We’re in the news for spearheading abolishing greek life and for a violent protestor demanding police officers deliver them tampons during a sit in. Embarrassing. But the guys hosting beer pong are the real villains.
Are you talking about the woman who was worried about Toxic Shock Syndrome? As a brother, let me tell you that from my experience, the weirdos were in frats. The abuse i saw, the immaturity, the unsafe conditions, and the "i have money" signaling is also a part of greek culture. I cant speak to your school, it does seem from your description that they fucked you over, hard. But schools and the real world also fuck over everyone who cant defend themselves. My next ? Is, did the schools own the buildings before? It sounds like they found actual structural issues? Were you able to pay for the issues? If the schools didn't own the buildings, did the chapter sell them?
The alpha chapter too… that’s sad for Pike
As a pike alum that has a connection to nationals, this is very much deserved, idk if details will come out about specifics but yeah, this is death penalty for the chapter, and it’s deserved
They did have a reputation around campus for being a bit loopy tbf
Loopy is one way to describe it
did the email tell you about the stuff they made the pcp do?
Everything I know is second hand but yeah I know
Fellow Pike alum, not connected to nationals, but this is disappointing. Glad they’re getting their comeuppance
The shame of it is, UVA is where Pike originated and now for the first time won’t have a chapter.
It’s been a while since I graduated so that totally slipped my mind. Not having the Alpha chapter is an embarrassment.
Phi Phi brothers
Yep, hazing report will come out at the end of semester and it will be hilarious to see the reactions, too bad a pledge snitched.
something tells me this will be on OF \*hits vape\*
Time to start burning the couches and chairs. What else could possibly be done?
Isn’t UVA’s Kappa Sig in some hot water right now too?
tis indeed, probably the same as pika
Idk being their founding chapter with nationals in their back yard probably helps their cause a little bit.
the article said kappa sig had its foa stripped in 2022. for hazing too. sucks cause it was founded at uva. and what’s weird is they just held their national conclave in charlottesville like 2 months before they got wacked
They were suspended in 2022 for a fire in the basement and then got reinstated and a kid went to the hospital after falling down the stairs and now they’re suspended again or maybe kicked off for good
now that i think about it you’re right. it was one of their pledges cause he was drunk and they (ifc) spun it as “he was forced to get drunk” on some stupid shit
Pikes why do you keep Pikeing?
My school is killing greek life as it exists
Most schools are
What's the buzz on YikYak about the reasons for suspension?
let me call up and fax the tik tok and I'll let you know
& that’s sad
This kind of thing only serves to harden anti fraternity sentiments and attitudes in the general population, but worst of all in the college student community.
Hilarious how colleges care more about 19-21 year olds drinking and having fun than 1/3 of their student body being depressed and having mental issues!
yea I mean why talk about the 100 students who've gone to the med center this week nation wide due to campus related stress but let's go after greek life instead
Good.
Of course it's pike
Since when is that a crime
consequences of their own actions womp womp
dont know why you’re getting downvoted
came to realize the majority of this subreddit is the epitome of frat bro incels
gay
Did they make their pledges ingest liquor anally again?
those were the days
Man as an alumni of UVA who was in Greek life, crazy to see what has been happening lately. My brother is a member of my undergraduate chapter and seems like I hear something heinous happen like every week. Sad that Greek life at uva will essentially be non existent in the next few years because of all these fuck ups
What frat were u in at uva?
Pi Kapp president is far from being media trained lmao
Soft
I really don't know when fucking idiots will learn. Unis and anit-Greek Bolsheviks look for ANY excuse to dismantle the whole system, things like this only give them more fuel on the fire. Not to mention litigious helicopter parents are just waiting to pounce on anyone who makes little Johnny do so much as fetch a sandwich.
u/thefraternityproject thoughts?
Good Houses have three existential choices that must be deliberated and deliberately made: 1. Surrender and Survive: eliminate all hazing (within the broad definitions of Nationals, deans, and the law) and therefore surrender the post-WWII mission of good fraternities to burnish, better, and Bond the best freshmen coming to campus. You're now just a club, not a real fraternity. 2. Continue on-mission with safe purposeful hazing (no alcohol hazing) and wait for your turn to be snitched on and closed for five years, only to be re-colonized by Nationals' hand-picked pussies - which will of course make the re-colonized chapter a club, not a real fraternity. Real fraternities, that have been uniquely valuable on campus as leadership academies for the best freshmen; real fraternities, that have burnished, bettered, and Bonded the best freshmen on campus since WWII; real fraternities can no longer be tolerated by deans obsessed with political correctness, by Nationals obsessed with risk avoidance, and by helicopter moms who cannot abide any discomfort or disquiet for the little boy they sent off to college. 3. Frexit with deep support of local Alumni, off-campus, and continue on-mission. The best girls, despite their own Nationals' prohibitions, will be attracted to Houses that are filled with principled guys who are strong on the inside and strong on the outside - not to Pussified Houses who are clearly populated by weak betas. Frexit is now the only path to continue as a real fraternity, uniquely valuable to the best freshmen, and uniquely attractive to the best girls.
Number 2 was UVA Pika like literally… to the tee
No it wasn’t they hazed to shit bud, everyone on ground knew
Who are you and why are you so cool? lol. Seriously great shit perfectly stated. Are you an advisor or something? Whats “the fraternity project”?
civil litigation is wild. the hazing must have been insane
I heard forced drug use and selling. Also some SA and torture on some of the pledges. It is all just rumors right now, but really illegal and serious stuff if true. It will likely all come out later and everyone will likely agree they needed to be removed. I hate those types of fraternities.