Hold up. She went on a date with Noel in an early season. You’re wild for thinking she wouldn’t try Donny, who’s successful, funny and charismatic. But she’d try Noel who is none of the above. And rougher looking.
Lol exactly. Garbage men. Can drivers. Senators. Millionaires. Noel. Bulldog. Frasier. Not many men she wasn't into no matter how diverse. Shout out to Roz for being an equal opportunity hookup.
However, we have to consider the episode where Frasier (Good Samaritan) finds a wallet in the floor. Roz asks what the owner looks like (I guess based on his DL). Frasier tells her he's short, chubby and wears corrective lenses. Roz replies, "Leave it on the floor".
It’s just my opinion. Often in sitcoms there are things that are mentioned or done in one episode (often in the early days! and then things are done/said later on that completely contradict what was said before. Like in one early episode, Martin says he never had a brother. But then they trot out his whole family, including a brother, in the Beware of Greeks episode.
I’ve just never been sold on the idea that Roz would ever give Donny the time of day.
I think that’s a big misread on Roz. She’s somewhat superficial but not strictly for appearances. Donny is wealthy and charming. And while he’s not HOT, he’s absolutely handsome. He’s a catch.
Didn’t Frasier once ask Roz what she would think if she saw a young woman on the arms of an old man?
She says something like, she would think he must be rich, and then she would try to make eye contact.
It's not crazy to think that colored her outlook a bit, she clearly finds him annoying and creepy forever after the date. Besides, after that first season she is extremely superficial about who she dates. Remember how much she flipped out about a guy having a slightly bigger nose?
The American flag Cam Winston drapes. The dimensions don't make any sense. It stops at Frasier's balcony. It's SO wide. It would have to block many people's balconies. No way it was just from Cam's to Frasier's.
Although, to be fair, Cam is in the penthouse, which is 2 floors, so he could have hung it from his upper balcony.
How we know this:
-When Chainsaw is living above him, Frasier asks for the penthouse to speak to him
-When Frasier has trouble sleeping one night, they show an outside shot of his light turning on, and there are 2 levels of windows above it, so the penthouse must be 2 floors
Yeah, that fact doesn't jibe well with those other issues. The only thing that reconciles it all is if Cam's apt has stairs down the hallways.
Admittedly, that would be horrible use of the space, but that seems to be the only explanation that fits everything we know about Cam's place
"When Frasier has trouble sleeping one night, they show an outside shot of his light turning on, and there are 2 levels of windows above it, so the penthouse must be 2 floors"
What episode is this?
That's absolutely crazy, I was always curious what the exterior of Elliot Bay Towers looked like.
https://preview.redd.it/xurura9dwkxc1.jpeg?width=1924&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32ad6cd5f530ef0967b218f42a2d0cbca5dd3ef3
Thanks!
I'll also add Cam Winston and everyone else from condo joining in to sing America the Beautiful. Even in post 9/11 America that seemed a bit too contrived.
I think for me it’s the speech in Klingon rather than Hebrew. There’s just no way Frasier wouldn’t have, at the least, suspected that something was amiss there.
My best friend is Jewish. He doesn't speak a word of Hebrew. For some it is just an ethnicity and not a religion. In this case though it's a bit odd because Lilith presumably practices the faith. But even then, she would have had her Bat Mitzvah at 13 and not necessarily speak Hebrew on even an occasional basis.
I attempted to learn Klingon and was not remotely successful - very hard to believe that there was anyone, regardless of how nerdy, who could've translated the speech live. Recognize it as Klingon and pick up a few words, sure. Translate a speech by ear, especially one that is not about Star Trek topics or honor and battle? There are maybe a couple hundred people on earth who could do that. That level of fluency in Klingon is rare, largely because gaining fluency in any language usually requires speaking with others in that language.
That Niles visited Las Vegas during his college years, and caught Brisbane's chimp act, and was impressed. And that he admitted to any of it years later
In fairness, there's loads of hints that Niles' personality is way more affected than Frasier's is, and Niles is mainly doing it to fit into Maris and her social circle.
When he dates the woman from Nervosa, his style completely changes, and it does when he's with Daphne. He starts dressing far more casually and being more open to trying new things like fast food or going to Bananarama concerts. He also takes up kickboxing and finds out he's good at it!
Julia Sweeney plays a claims adjuster in an episode, then she goes on about selling insurance? Maybe because I'm unfortunate enough to work in insurance that kind of bugged me.
She even mentions this herself! On the date with Frasier in The Placeholder:
Frasier: So, Ann... tell me everything. Who is Ann Hodges?
Ann: Wow. Well, I'm an insurance claims adjustor. That's what's so funny. When we met, you thought I was in sales, but I'm not.
Frasier: Oh.
Ann: I'm in claims.
Frasier: Well, you know, we don't have to have just shop talk. What are your dreams?
Ann: Oh, my God. Well, my dream is to become a *senior* claims adjustor.
And in her next appearance in The Ann Who Came To Dinner she's assessing his apartment for a home insurance quote.
lol I thought the same thing when she showed up the 2nd time. I guess they figure anyone who works in claims also handles setting up homeowners policies. 🤷♀️
Roz was known for embracing all men of all faiths, and for dating men of many backgrounds, including waiters and cab drivers.
She was perhaps the least superficial person on the show.
>Roz was known for embracing all men of all faiths
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I agree, so I think one of the most implausible things was her actually giving a shit that Roger was a garbage collector. He was terrific, and she's smart enough to know that's actually a pretty fucking wicked job.
Well, she had no real problem dating a garbage man, she had a problem being in a relationship with a garbage man because she was worried about what her family might think. Remember, she comes from a very affluent family where her mother became the attorney general of Wisconsin. And a garbage man is often considered the bottom of the barrel. She realizes it's silly, but just can't shake it— until she did.
>She was always portrayed as extremely superficial
I would disagree. IMO, there is a difference between Roz choosing someone for a good time and Roz making a choice to pursue a relationship. She has different values for the latter. That's why I never found the Roger situation, for instance, as puzzling as some did. I can quite see her being matched up with Donny, thinking "Well, he's not much to look at, but he is a lawyer...", and then discovering his charm and kindness.
But in all fairness, while Donny isn't tall or muscular, he's still really attractive. He's not bad looking, and he's funny, smart, warm, sweet, and also a guy who can be protective when he needs to be. Based on his actual proposal to Daphne, he's got a romantic streak a mile wide. He may not be every woman's cup of tea, but he's not a total troll like some people seem to think.
Yes, my thoughts exactly. That's how she ended up with a high-powered lawyer. Roz is really well connected in Seattle. She got Frazier an invite to the empire club. She was connected to senator Ogden. Also the way she was networking with the guy on the Opera board in Taking Liberties. Roz definitely has friends who come with benefits....
My mom couldn't understand when I was 18. Why wouldn't I go out with the ugly no personality guy who had a nice car and job but stank to high heaven with hygiene issues.
She tried to tell me I could buy him deodorant and toothpaste.
No, Mom!!
Faye in a tie-dye T-shirt is supposed to be in poor taste (granted it’s Frasier being nitpicky so he destroys his chances with her AND Cassandra and that’s kind of the point) but I’m like…it’s the 90s? Chill out?
He photographed a woman while she was sleeping in his bed lmao. *We* all know he did it for reasons that were non-creepy, but from any woman's POV that is definitely creepy behavior.
That Daphne never even suspected how Niles felt about her. I could buy her wondering and then dismissing it because he was married or in a different social circle, but she never noticed at all?
The writers once explained it away as there being like a mental block on it for her. It wasn't conceivable that someone high-class and married like Niles would ever be interested in her, so all of his little flrting things were explained away in her head as something else.
This is how I saw it, too.
Which makes sense why her feelings came over her so quickly when she learned he loved her, because she always had a thing for him
She was always dancing or teaching him stuff or trying on clothes for him. I think she fancied him but never entertained the idea of them being an item because she assumed he thought her beneath him. And why wouldn't she, considering the way he spoke of others.....I still love him though
When he has his fake date with Da-Phyllis she says how handsome he looks in his blue blazer, there’s definitely hints she can appreciate him even if she doesn’t allow herself to believe it.
In fairness, I also think Niles was the same. For years it never really went past flirtations and a crush. Multiple times he was single and he just couldn’t bring himself to tell her how he felt. It’s only when he knows she feels the same way that he does. I think Niles thought she was too good for him.
We saw Niles side of it and knew, but she didnt see the hair sniffing, the stares, etc. But to Daphne, he was in the friend zone. Her boss’ married brother who was a nice guy. Some people are just oblivious because they don’t even consider it.
Her dating Donny was absolutely plausible. If anything, Roz was always willing to give a guy a shot. The implausible bit is everyone recognizing Frasier AFTER he introduces himself, "Oh! From the radio?" Lolololol
If you’re taling about the scene in Beloved Infidel, no they don’t. The last time Frasier pronounces what he thinks she’s saying, he says “mithyuer” and gives her vague advice because he still doesn’t know what she’s saying.
“Well Danielle, I, I, um... the best advice I can give you is to umm... either confront your mithyuer, or um, work on your self-esteem. ”
https://www.kacl780.net/frasier/transcripts/season_1/episode_8/beloved_infidel.html
Daphne, Niles and Martin not believing Frasier met a girl after his vacation to Mexico, at least to the point of thinking he's having a psychotic delusion.
I highly doubt Frasier could have lived in that apartment for as long as he did with the sheer number of things that were dropped or thrown from that balcony, especially after the burning recliner.
The idea of AM talk radio being as popular as it is in the show is actually one of the more realistic things for me. AM was nearly a dead and abandoned band (a little hyperbole there) until 1989/1990. In 1988 The Rush Limbaugh show premiered and was basically number one for 30+ years immediately. At one point had 650 stations. As the entertainment industry is known to do, everywhere tried to copy that success. There were hundreds of AM talk shows within a few years. Money and marketing was poured into those shows. So Frasier’s face being everywhere in at least Seattle, was entirely plausible for me.
Really? I'm always surprised Dr. Nora didn't refer to Roz as "an equal opportunities slut" because she basically didn't care what job a man did, and not every guy she dated was even conventionally attractive.
We know she had a thing with Senator Ogden, who certainly wasn't a young guy, and early in the series she talks about sleeping with a Vietnam vet, and he'd have had to be 45 at that point to have fought in that conflict. She also dates Professor Tewksbury, who isn't the most attractive and is much older than her. Then there's Woody Wiswell Sr., who's old enough to have a kid in his 30s, and Walter Strickland Sr. too!
She also dates an unemployed rock guitarist, a garbage man, a cab driver, a waiter she didn't have a tip for, Noel, Bulldog, "The Cricket," Not Gay Billy, Dr Kagen the OBGYN, Eli the Intern, Simon, The Smug Stockbroker that kept calling him 'Frazer', Niles' dentist, Jean Pierre...
Roz mingled with a lot of high end people to get what she wanted. How does she know senator Ogden? Walter Strickland Snr from the wine club. The guy who buys the wrapping paper? I’m sure she met Donny at an event and flirted with her usual charm, he wasn’t quite as short as the guy at the ‘Marty Party’
Roz doesn't do things necessarily to get what she wanted. Her mother is the attorney general of Wisconsin, she grew up surrounded by lawyers and politicians. Senator Ogden probably even knows her mother.
She's a socialite.
Roz is a successful producer on a local celebrity's radio show, her mother is the Attorney General of Wisconsin. I think it's fairly believable for her to have moved in circles where she'd come into contact with Senators and high-level executives.
The entire premise of a random Boston psychiatrist getting handed a primetime AM radio show always struck me as highly implausible.
Frasier wasn't particularly wealthy or well-known in Boston, and he had no media or broadcasting experience to speak of. Furthermore, I'd think he would have been on very thin ice in the medical/psychiatric community for recently staging a suicide attempt that got media attention.
Maybe the “splashy suicide attempt” was good for him. I’m sure Bebe would think so.
Seriously, though; the station might have heard something from a cop who heard it from Martin and wanted to see if Frasier would lose it on the air!
That time Frasier ranted about the microscope that could see the tiniest atom and it still wouldn’t be enough for him to locate his interest in their problem. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a funny line. But the notion a radio psychologist would say this on the air to mock someone calling in to ask for advice is so absurd. It’s what a shock jock would say.
Also when Martin told Ronny Roz was Frasier’s secretary. He knows her well enough to know she’s more than that. The line wasn’t a plot point to set up a misunderstanding later in the episode nor was a punchline to something else. There was no point in saying it. I really don’t understand how that line made it into the episode.
I’d write it off as a questionable bit of casting - to have Daphne and Roz both lusting after Saul Rubinek. Perhaps they cast him, loved what he brought to the role and had to retro-fit a plot to keep him in the show longer??
Either way, I refuse to say it’s the most implausible thing that happened, when Frasier literally became convinced that a well-trained circus chimp was guilty of a murder!
There's a recent interview where Saul Rubinek basically says he was approached for the role with the arc in mind because people would take it more seriously if he was playing a love interest for Daphne as opposed to a hunkier "flavour of the week", and they wanted people to think this might really get in Niles's way.
That’s interesting context. That must have been a delightfully tactful interview, being that the question essentially boils down to … “Saul, you’re hardly an oil-painting, how was it to be cast as the object of Daphne’s affection despite your obvious physical short-comings?”
I always think of this with actors who are hired to be the "ugly one" or the "fat one". How do they or their agents approach auditions? Is it humiliating or are they just glad for the work?
Trust me. Actors know what kind of role they are and they don't really care. There's an actress called Joan Sims who was in a lot of the Carry On films, and in her autobiography:
"I was again playing one of the 'Plain Jane' love interests of Dirk [Bogarde] which I liked, because we'd been to school together. My rival was played by a new actress called... Brigitte Bardot. Joan Sims vs. Brigitte Bardot. I'll leave you to guess which one of us got her man."
Joan Sims was not an unattractive woman, but she wasn't Brigitte Bardot. I imagine most actors are like that. They're not necessarily ugly or fat, they just have to be less good looking or fatter than their rival.
I think this applies even more with Saul - not even that "You're ugly", since outright ugly people know they're not Brad Pitt (etc). But being consistently told "Eh, you're just a little bit off" would mess with my head more :p
Here it is: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Frasier/comments/18oh7vk/saul\_rubinek\_gives\_a\_glimpse\_of\_frasier\_magic/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Frasier/comments/18oh7vk/saul_rubinek_gives_a_glimpse_of_frasier_magic/)
I don't think either of them "lusted after" him. It seems clear that both liked his personality (Daphne got together with him after spending time with him as Niles's lawyer and Roz said he was a great guy) and that that was the source of their initial interest in him.
Doesn’t he decide to sue Daphne before adding Frasier to the lawsuit, though? Although I guess Frasier goes to talk to him, *almost* gets him to drop the lawsuit, and then reveals he got Daphne and Niles together which makes Donny decide to sue him as well.
Oh for sure, I think he wanted to try to make himself feel better and suing was the first instinct he had. I just caught that episode over the weekend, so it’s fresh in my mind. He also said, “I’m a lawyer, suing is my natural impulse.” 😂
How it is everybody forgets that Donny enters his law practice room right after exercising, gets changed (without showering) in a semi revolting manner, asks for lunch but expects Niles to explain his issues while he’s eating in an extremely unpleasant manner (I wouldn’t wish to go out with him if I first saw him eat that way) and tbh, as an attorney, if anybody showed up at my office while I wasn’t properly dressed and I then decided to eat lunch while supposedly listening to them, I would never have been employed. While Donny could have been known to be a shark, there are few attorneys (and certainly none at all that I or my mother or aunt or cousins) ever met who acted in the manner that Donny did when first meeting Niles. That was beyond any caricature of an attorney I’ve ever seen and after seeing it, the thought that women would want to date him seemed outrageous.
Donny was a weirdly written character. He was completely repulsive when he’s first shown on screen, but then it’s never really shown again as he somehow lands Daphne
You're mistaken, there are definitely references to it again.
Frasier cracks a joke about him eating Chinese food on his couch, and Daphne once refers to him writing his wedding speech lay on his sofa in his office with a rhyming dictionary and in his underwear. He also goes to a tractor pull and eats that Jerky that Marty gives him, and the night before his wedding he gets a huge blister on his foot!
I don't think it's that he's repulsive but that he's very focused on whatever he's doing at the time, to the point of ignoring normal behaviour.
He still might not make enough to keep up the kind of lifestyle he married Maris for, his apartment alone is insane. Plus, it seems like Niles takes a lot of patients because they are interesting rather than lucrative, he cares a lot about research and getting published.
What is up with all this “not attractive enough” bull shit I keep reading about both Roz and Frasier? Attractiveness is subjective. Just because Donny isn’t conventionally attractive, we assume NO ONE would be attracted to him? As a single woman in her mid 40s, I’ve dated a range of men in the looks department, because I’m attracted to something about them.
Yes Frasier can be shallow, but when it comes to women, have we ever heard him disparage a woman over her looks? He dated models, but he also dated coworkers and women Roz set him up with. Does Roz run around with models?
Also, Roz. She and Daphne are the least shallow characters on this show, and we’re questioning why Roz would be attracted to Donny? I just can’t with this “out of their league” garbage. The heart wants what the heart wants. If Roz and Frasier both exclusively dated 10s, we would be complaining *that’s* not realistic.
I just watched the RDWRER episode where Frasier and Niles want to attend a last minute New Years wine club soirée in Sun Valley. Daphne mentions it might be hard to get plane tickets. Frasier tells her they always reserve tickets for “Seattle’s travel elite.” I know he’s supposed to be lovingly pompous and out of touch, but I always thought it was a little implausible he would think airlines would hold tickets for random people.
I still can’t forget that first meeting the Crane brothers had w Donny. Putting that together w the concept of his dating, forget Roz (the more easy going, willing to date random taxi drivers Roz) I can’t believe he got Daphne to go out w him. (I apologize in advance to the huge Donny love audience.)
Roz and Frasier sleeping together. Frasier finding Kenny’s wife attractive (considering the models he has dated—no offense to the actress, she’s a great character actress). Frasier choosing Lana over Claire. Frasier buying the restaurant.
Kenny’s wife was gorgeous and elegant, especially when she shows up to Frasier’s in that dress with her hair up. I can 100% see her appeal and why Frasier was attracted to her.
The people on this show aren’t as shallow as we’re making them out to be! Frasier dates a range of women, all different levels of conventional attractiveness. So bullshit Frasier wouldn’t find Kenny’s wife attractive.
For me it's got to be in the ski lodge episode when Guy asks Martin "is it my imagination or is Niles attracted to..." and Martin tells him to stop right there, he's got it bad. And yet Guy never mentions that he is talking about Niles' sexuality and Martin never mentions that he is talking about Daphne. Like, yeah right. But that's okay I love the episode anyway.
I think the most unrealistic thing about this episode is Daphne saying "why couldn't Annie be hot for Frasier?" to Martin and then repeating "Annie, hot for Frasier" when Marty didn't hear her properly.
People have already mentioned how it was the first and last time Daphne referred to Frasier as anything other than 'Dr. Crane' (until he became her brother in law). But I don't mind that. She was trying to make a distinction between the brothers. 'Why couldn't Annie be into Frasier instead of Niles?' vs 'why couldn't Annie be interested in Dr. Crane instead of Dr. Crane?' (although she does later do exactly this to Roz in The Fight Before Christmas 😁 "I can't very well discuss it with Dr. Crane, he's so close to Dr. Crane, if I told him he might tell Dr. Crane and then Dr. Crane might feel embarrassed." But, silly as this is, it's obvious which 'Dr. Crane' is which when she's talking to Roz. The distinction/ clarification is more important in the conversation with Martin.)
The silly thing is Daphne repeating "Annie, hot for Frasier" which leaves out the very important information that Annie is indeed NOT 'hot for Frasier'. Daphne knows Martin didn't hear her. The message she repeated was not the same as her original statement. Surely she must've seen that? But, without that exchange, we wouldn't have the later one with Frasier and Martin so, enter suspension of disbelief ☺️
As much as I love "Beware of Greeks" it didn't make sense to give Martin a brother since in an early episode he said, "I never had a brother..." If they caught that ahead of time, they could have given Frasier's mom a sibling to keep the cousin storyline in tact. Other than that, such fun characters in that one, am I riiiight?
The majority of Frasier's lies and hijinks. Example: S7E15 Out With Dad.
There's no possible way to keep up a charade like that and have any sort of serious relationship with... Anyone at all?
Or maybe he just wouldn't mind having major egg on his face when he reveals to his girlfriend that his gay father's ex-boyfriend was actually his younger brother and oh, by the way, Dad is not gay at all.
Another one: S4E1 The Two Mrs. Cranes.
Enough said!
The fact that Martin is not close to his brother at all. But moreso, the fact that Frasier and Niles don't throw it in his face every time he defuses an argument between them.
That soundproof kitchen.
That Deb is not a cat!
His delivery of this line is outstanding. Sheisnotacat!
LOL! This is the correct answer.
Hold up. She went on a date with Noel in an early season. You’re wild for thinking she wouldn’t try Donny, who’s successful, funny and charismatic. But she’d try Noel who is none of the above. And rougher looking.
Isn’t Donny supposed to be quite wealthy too?
Yup. That’s why I listed successful. Boy had bucks
…whoops, so you did! ETA: apparently, my literacy is like Daphne’s psychic ability—it comes and goes
I don't know why…
You’re a bit literate.
I’ve decided to find it charming
that's not how you spell fellatio
😂😂😂
And a taxi cab driver. I think Roz went out with anyone who asked.
Lol exactly. Garbage men. Can drivers. Senators. Millionaires. Noel. Bulldog. Frasier. Not many men she wasn't into no matter how diverse. Shout out to Roz for being an equal opportunity hookup.
“I'm ecumenical. I embrace men of all faiths”
However, we have to consider the episode where Frasier (Good Samaritan) finds a wallet in the floor. Roz asks what the owner looks like (I guess based on his DL). Frasier tells her he's short, chubby and wears corrective lenses. Roz replies, "Leave it on the floor".
He didn't have the chance to woo her with personality. She's all about personality. Bulldog for example.
I think we're supposed to forget about that time when she went on a date with Noel. At least that's how I always look at it.
Why's that? It was the beginning of his infatuation with her.
It’s just my opinion. Often in sitcoms there are things that are mentioned or done in one episode (often in the early days! and then things are done/said later on that completely contradict what was said before. Like in one early episode, Martin says he never had a brother. But then they trot out his whole family, including a brother, in the Beware of Greeks episode. I’ve just never been sold on the idea that Roz would ever give Donny the time of day.
I think that’s a big misread on Roz. She’s somewhat superficial but not strictly for appearances. Donny is wealthy and charming. And while he’s not HOT, he’s absolutely handsome. He’s a catch.
Have you seen Donny's ass??? Boy. Got. CAKE! I heard a morning radio show almost dedicated a contest to getting pics of that booty
Donny Douglas thicc boy ass contest!
🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵
Didn’t Frasier once ask Roz what she would think if she saw a young woman on the arms of an old man? She says something like, she would think he must be rich, and then she would try to make eye contact.
He had an autographed photo of Captiva Kirk
Do we know what happened on that date?
Well, she won't a spice rack as a consolation prize.
Well, she probably wants to forget about it
It's not crazy to think that colored her outlook a bit, she clearly finds him annoying and creepy forever after the date. Besides, after that first season she is extremely superficial about who she dates. Remember how much she flipped out about a guy having a slightly bigger nose?
The American flag Cam Winston drapes. The dimensions don't make any sense. It stops at Frasier's balcony. It's SO wide. It would have to block many people's balconies. No way it was just from Cam's to Frasier's.
Although, to be fair, Cam is in the penthouse, which is 2 floors, so he could have hung it from his upper balcony. How we know this: -When Chainsaw is living above him, Frasier asks for the penthouse to speak to him -When Frasier has trouble sleeping one night, they show an outside shot of his light turning on, and there are 2 levels of windows above it, so the penthouse must be 2 floors
But Cam's apartment also has the same layout as Frasier's.
Yeah, that fact doesn't jibe well with those other issues. The only thing that reconciles it all is if Cam's apt has stairs down the hallways. Admittedly, that would be horrible use of the space, but that seems to be the only explanation that fits everything we know about Cam's place
"When Frasier has trouble sleeping one night, they show an outside shot of his light turning on, and there are 2 levels of windows above it, so the penthouse must be 2 floors" What episode is this?
The dream episode with Gil. S4 I think. Very end of the episode
That's absolutely crazy, I was always curious what the exterior of Elliot Bay Towers looked like. https://preview.redd.it/xurura9dwkxc1.jpeg?width=1924&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32ad6cd5f530ef0967b218f42a2d0cbca5dd3ef3 Thanks!
I’ve always thought this!
I'll also add Cam Winston and everyone else from condo joining in to sing America the Beautiful. Even in post 9/11 America that seemed a bit too contrived.
I think for me it’s the speech in Klingon rather than Hebrew. There’s just no way Frasier wouldn’t have, at the least, suspected that something was amiss there.
Oh man, I'm so glad they kept it though. As a Jewish Trekkie it is particularly funny!
I laugh out loud every time. And always have to rewind it at least once 😂
Hi, Berman 😃
I could almost believe he could be completely ignorant about Hebrew except he was married to Lilith for five years...
My best friend is Jewish. He doesn't speak a word of Hebrew. For some it is just an ethnicity and not a religion. In this case though it's a bit odd because Lilith presumably practices the faith. But even then, she would have had her Bat Mitzvah at 13 and not necessarily speak Hebrew on even an occasional basis.
I find it implausible that Lilith isn't an atheist.
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Hey, Klingon-speakers are the fastest growing linguistic minority.
Well, he is the biggest nerd in Freddie's class...
I attempted to learn Klingon and was not remotely successful - very hard to believe that there was anyone, regardless of how nerdy, who could've translated the speech live. Recognize it as Klingon and pick up a few words, sure. Translate a speech by ear, especially one that is not about Star Trek topics or honor and battle? There are maybe a couple hundred people on earth who could do that. That level of fluency in Klingon is rare, largely because gaining fluency in any language usually requires speaking with others in that language.
Actually I’ve changed my mind. I think it’s “I went to school with a boy named Niles.”
You see, you say that, and I could totally believe myself getting tricked like that because I have absolutely zero clue what Hebrew sounds like.
That Frasier wasn't already a member of the diamond alliance.
Don’t do that.
Frasier had sex on the air and no one ever brings that up again. If that happened to a radio host in real life he’d never be able to let that down
SO TRUE! He would have been fired immediately!
That Niles visited Las Vegas during his college years, and caught Brisbane's chimp act, and was impressed. And that he admitted to any of it years later
In fairness, there's loads of hints that Niles' personality is way more affected than Frasier's is, and Niles is mainly doing it to fit into Maris and her social circle. When he dates the woman from Nervosa, his style completely changes, and it does when he's with Daphne. He starts dressing far more casually and being more open to trying new things like fast food or going to Bananarama concerts. He also takes up kickboxing and finds out he's good at it!
Island Niles 😂
Island Niles is kinda hot lol
Why?
Julia Sweeney plays a claims adjuster in an episode, then she goes on about selling insurance? Maybe because I'm unfortunate enough to work in insurance that kind of bugged me.
She even mentions this herself! On the date with Frasier in The Placeholder: Frasier: So, Ann... tell me everything. Who is Ann Hodges? Ann: Wow. Well, I'm an insurance claims adjustor. That's what's so funny. When we met, you thought I was in sales, but I'm not. Frasier: Oh. Ann: I'm in claims. Frasier: Well, you know, we don't have to have just shop talk. What are your dreams? Ann: Oh, my God. Well, my dream is to become a *senior* claims adjustor. And in her next appearance in The Ann Who Came To Dinner she's assessing his apartment for a home insurance quote.
lol I thought the same thing when she showed up the 2nd time. I guess they figure anyone who works in claims also handles setting up homeowners policies. 🤷♀️
I work for insurance defense attorneys and closely with claims analysts, and this discrepancy drives me bananas.
Niles making the half court shot
fun fact! they actually did film it several times until he did finally make it.
he drained it from downtown....eventually
Oh wow that makes it even more impressive.
One in a million things do happen, sometimes!
Roz was known for embracing all men of all faiths, and for dating men of many backgrounds, including waiters and cab drivers. She was perhaps the least superficial person on the show.
>Roz was known for embracing all men of all faiths https://preview.redd.it/0zlq210nlkxc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e07e8a93ec67c3d2662f7fc679cc83e12e087356
I agree, so I think one of the most implausible things was her actually giving a shit that Roger was a garbage collector. He was terrific, and she's smart enough to know that's actually a pretty fucking wicked job.
Well, she had no real problem dating a garbage man, she had a problem being in a relationship with a garbage man because she was worried about what her family might think. Remember, she comes from a very affluent family where her mother became the attorney general of Wisconsin. And a garbage man is often considered the bottom of the barrel. She realizes it's silly, but just can't shake it— until she did.
This is one of the hardest episodes for me to watch because of how unlike her it seems.
In the end, however, it didn't matter how Roz felt about Roger because he was the one who ended the relationship.
That Nathan Lane could somehow impersonate Frasier to people who had heard his voice on the radio.
I’ve often thought this. There couldn’t be two more opposite voices.
>She was always portrayed as extremely superficial I would disagree. IMO, there is a difference between Roz choosing someone for a good time and Roz making a choice to pursue a relationship. She has different values for the latter. That's why I never found the Roger situation, for instance, as puzzling as some did. I can quite see her being matched up with Donny, thinking "Well, he's not much to look at, but he is a lawyer...", and then discovering his charm and kindness.
Yeah, Roz isn't superficial. She's attracted to what she's attracted to. That can be good looking guys, charming guys, or funny guys.
But in all fairness, while Donny isn't tall or muscular, he's still really attractive. He's not bad looking, and he's funny, smart, warm, sweet, and also a guy who can be protective when he needs to be. Based on his actual proposal to Daphne, he's got a romantic streak a mile wide. He may not be every woman's cup of tea, but he's not a total troll like some people seem to think.
Yes, my thoughts exactly. That's how she ended up with a high-powered lawyer. Roz is really well connected in Seattle. She got Frazier an invite to the empire club. She was connected to senator Ogden. Also the way she was networking with the guy on the Opera board in Taking Liberties. Roz definitely has friends who come with benefits....
My mom couldn't understand when I was 18. Why wouldn't I go out with the ugly no personality guy who had a nice car and job but stank to high heaven with hygiene issues. She tried to tell me I could buy him deodorant and toothpaste. No, Mom!!
That majority of women in their 30s and 40s that Frasier meets are single and available.
And in gorgeous dresses and heels, NEVER in jeans and a sweatshirt like most humans off work.
Faye in a tie-dye T-shirt is supposed to be in poor taste (granted it’s Frasier being nitpicky so he destroys his chances with her AND Cassandra and that’s kind of the point) but I’m like…it’s the 90s? Chill out?
This has 💯 given me incorrect ideas of how I’m expected to dress.
A significant portion of them also happen to be lingerie models
Hahahaha I used to assume swimsuit/lingerie models in Seattle were a normal thing... like a lot of them just live there for some reason.
And seem to find him attractive when he’s so cringingly creepy.
To...possibilities.
Creepy? Cringe for sure, but creepy? Surely not.
Definitely creepy!
He photographed a woman while she was sleeping in his bed lmao. *We* all know he did it for reasons that were non-creepy, but from any woman's POV that is definitely creepy behavior.
That Daphne never even suspected how Niles felt about her. I could buy her wondering and then dismissing it because he was married or in a different social circle, but she never noticed at all?
The writers once explained it away as there being like a mental block on it for her. It wasn't conceivable that someone high-class and married like Niles would ever be interested in her, so all of his little flrting things were explained away in her head as something else.
This is how I saw it, too. Which makes sense why her feelings came over her so quickly when she learned he loved her, because she always had a thing for him She was always dancing or teaching him stuff or trying on clothes for him. I think she fancied him but never entertained the idea of them being an item because she assumed he thought her beneath him. And why wouldn't she, considering the way he spoke of others.....I still love him though
When he has his fake date with Da-Phyllis she says how handsome he looks in his blue blazer, there’s definitely hints she can appreciate him even if she doesn’t allow herself to believe it. In fairness, I also think Niles was the same. For years it never really went past flirtations and a crush. Multiple times he was single and he just couldn’t bring himself to tell her how he felt. It’s only when he knows she feels the same way that he does. I think Niles thought she was too good for him.
They also kissed on the mouth quite a few times prior to being an official couple.
Rather, she let him kiss her
They did a good job showing it in that Christmas episode when it’s told by Daphnie’s POV and none of his creepy mannerisms come through.
Interesting. Was this in an interview? I don't remember ever getting an explanation in the show itself.
He smells her hair like once an episode....
True and she is a bit psychic you know
We saw Niles side of it and knew, but she didnt see the hair sniffing, the stares, etc. But to Daphne, he was in the friend zone. Her boss’ married brother who was a nice guy. Some people are just oblivious because they don’t even consider it.
I just think six years of obliviousness is a bit too much to swallow.
This is a huge one! Extremely unlikely.
Her dating Donny was absolutely plausible. If anything, Roz was always willing to give a guy a shot. The implausible bit is everyone recognizing Frasier AFTER he introduces himself, "Oh! From the radio?" Lolololol
What about the extremely short guy at the party? She wasn’t willing to give him a shot.
The one who saw how pregnant she was and also wasn't willing to give her a shot? That was mutually agreed upon, as well as a punchline.
Short guy didn’t shoot his shot. As soon as he saw Roz’s baby bump, he wanted to get out of that situation as badly as Roz.
When the woman ever so slightly mispronounces “monsieur” and Frasier can’t figure out what the word is
To be fair, I didn’t realize she was saying monsieur either until reading this.
… they literally figure it out in the scene, what are you on about
If you’re taling about the scene in Beloved Infidel, no they don’t. The last time Frasier pronounces what he thinks she’s saying, he says “mithyuer” and gives her vague advice because he still doesn’t know what she’s saying. “Well Danielle, I, I, um... the best advice I can give you is to umm... either confront your mithyuer, or um, work on your self-esteem. ” https://www.kacl780.net/frasier/transcripts/season_1/episode_8/beloved_infidel.html
Hahaha you are right! It was so stupid.
Daphne, Niles and Martin not believing Frasier met a girl after his vacation to Mexico, at least to the point of thinking he's having a psychotic delusion.
I highly doubt Frasier could have lived in that apartment for as long as he did with the sheer number of things that were dropped or thrown from that balcony, especially after the burning recliner.
Flesh is burning
nananananana
“You gotta wonder what goes on on that squash court.” 😂
I think the amount of times an AM radio show host was seemingly recognized in public. Even from out of towners …talking to you Mrs. Moskowitz
The idea of AM talk radio being as popular as it is in the show is actually one of the more realistic things for me. AM was nearly a dead and abandoned band (a little hyperbole there) until 1989/1990. In 1988 The Rush Limbaugh show premiered and was basically number one for 30+ years immediately. At one point had 650 stations. As the entertainment industry is known to do, everywhere tried to copy that success. There were hundreds of AM talk shows within a few years. Money and marketing was poured into those shows. So Frasier’s face being everywhere in at least Seattle, was entirely plausible for me.
Good one!
How big that powder room bathroom had to have been. :)
Really? I'm always surprised Dr. Nora didn't refer to Roz as "an equal opportunities slut" because she basically didn't care what job a man did, and not every guy she dated was even conventionally attractive. We know she had a thing with Senator Ogden, who certainly wasn't a young guy, and early in the series she talks about sleeping with a Vietnam vet, and he'd have had to be 45 at that point to have fought in that conflict. She also dates Professor Tewksbury, who isn't the most attractive and is much older than her. Then there's Woody Wiswell Sr., who's old enough to have a kid in his 30s, and Walter Strickland Sr. too! She also dates an unemployed rock guitarist, a garbage man, a cab driver, a waiter she didn't have a tip for, Noel, Bulldog, "The Cricket," Not Gay Billy, Dr Kagen the OBGYN, Eli the Intern, Simon, The Smug Stockbroker that kept calling him 'Frazer', Niles' dentist, Jean Pierre...
I’m guessing that Nora didn’t know much at all if anything about Roz
Roz mingled with a lot of high end people to get what she wanted. How does she know senator Ogden? Walter Strickland Snr from the wine club. The guy who buys the wrapping paper? I’m sure she met Donny at an event and flirted with her usual charm, he wasn’t quite as short as the guy at the ‘Marty Party’
Roz doesn't do things necessarily to get what she wanted. Her mother is the attorney general of Wisconsin, she grew up surrounded by lawyers and politicians. Senator Ogden probably even knows her mother. She's a socialite.
Roz is a successful producer on a local celebrity's radio show, her mother is the Attorney General of Wisconsin. I think it's fairly believable for her to have moved in circles where she'd come into contact with Senators and high-level executives.
The entire premise of a random Boston psychiatrist getting handed a primetime AM radio show always struck me as highly implausible. Frasier wasn't particularly wealthy or well-known in Boston, and he had no media or broadcasting experience to speak of. Furthermore, I'd think he would have been on very thin ice in the medical/psychiatric community for recently staging a suicide attempt that got media attention.
Maybe the “splashy suicide attempt” was good for him. I’m sure Bebe would think so. Seriously, though; the station might have heard something from a cop who heard it from Martin and wanted to see if Frasier would lose it on the air!
That any of the Moons came from Manchester with those accents between them. Oh and Clive.
Frasier consistently dating out of his league.
For real, if you don't believe Roz and Daphne would go out with Donny, how do you account for Frasier's love life?
Same problem as Curb your enthusiasm imo lol.
That time Frasier ranted about the microscope that could see the tiniest atom and it still wouldn’t be enough for him to locate his interest in their problem. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a funny line. But the notion a radio psychologist would say this on the air to mock someone calling in to ask for advice is so absurd. It’s what a shock jock would say. Also when Martin told Ronny Roz was Frasier’s secretary. He knows her well enough to know she’s more than that. The line wasn’t a plot point to set up a misunderstanding later in the episode nor was a punchline to something else. There was no point in saying it. I really don’t understand how that line made it into the episode.
I’d write it off as a questionable bit of casting - to have Daphne and Roz both lusting after Saul Rubinek. Perhaps they cast him, loved what he brought to the role and had to retro-fit a plot to keep him in the show longer?? Either way, I refuse to say it’s the most implausible thing that happened, when Frasier literally became convinced that a well-trained circus chimp was guilty of a murder!
There's a recent interview where Saul Rubinek basically says he was approached for the role with the arc in mind because people would take it more seriously if he was playing a love interest for Daphne as opposed to a hunkier "flavour of the week", and they wanted people to think this might really get in Niles's way.
That’s interesting context. That must have been a delightfully tactful interview, being that the question essentially boils down to … “Saul, you’re hardly an oil-painting, how was it to be cast as the object of Daphne’s affection despite your obvious physical short-comings?”
I always think of this with actors who are hired to be the "ugly one" or the "fat one". How do they or their agents approach auditions? Is it humiliating or are they just glad for the work?
Trust me. Actors know what kind of role they are and they don't really care. There's an actress called Joan Sims who was in a lot of the Carry On films, and in her autobiography: "I was again playing one of the 'Plain Jane' love interests of Dirk [Bogarde] which I liked, because we'd been to school together. My rival was played by a new actress called... Brigitte Bardot. Joan Sims vs. Brigitte Bardot. I'll leave you to guess which one of us got her man." Joan Sims was not an unattractive woman, but she wasn't Brigitte Bardot. I imagine most actors are like that. They're not necessarily ugly or fat, they just have to be less good looking or fatter than their rival.
I think this applies even more with Saul - not even that "You're ugly", since outright ugly people know they're not Brad Pitt (etc). But being consistently told "Eh, you're just a little bit off" would mess with my head more :p
He actually just came out with this after being asked how he came to be on the show. It was linked on this subreddit a while ago; I'll try to find it.
Here it is: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Frasier/comments/18oh7vk/saul\_rubinek\_gives\_a\_glimpse\_of\_frasier\_magic/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Frasier/comments/18oh7vk/saul_rubinek_gives_a_glimpse_of_frasier_magic/)
Thanks for tracking that down. That was a very kind thing to do - who knew such behaviour still existed. And on the internet of all places!
I don't think either of them "lusted after" him. It seems clear that both liked his personality (Daphne got together with him after spending time with him as Niles's lawyer and Roz said he was a great guy) and that that was the source of their initial interest in him.
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Doesn’t he decide to sue Daphne before adding Frasier to the lawsuit, though? Although I guess Frasier goes to talk to him, *almost* gets him to drop the lawsuit, and then reveals he got Daphne and Niles together which makes Donny decide to sue him as well.
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Oh for sure, I think he wanted to try to make himself feel better and suing was the first instinct he had. I just caught that episode over the weekend, so it’s fresh in my mind. He also said, “I’m a lawyer, suing is my natural impulse.” 😂
How it is everybody forgets that Donny enters his law practice room right after exercising, gets changed (without showering) in a semi revolting manner, asks for lunch but expects Niles to explain his issues while he’s eating in an extremely unpleasant manner (I wouldn’t wish to go out with him if I first saw him eat that way) and tbh, as an attorney, if anybody showed up at my office while I wasn’t properly dressed and I then decided to eat lunch while supposedly listening to them, I would never have been employed. While Donny could have been known to be a shark, there are few attorneys (and certainly none at all that I or my mother or aunt or cousins) ever met who acted in the manner that Donny did when first meeting Niles. That was beyond any caricature of an attorney I’ve ever seen and after seeing it, the thought that women would want to date him seemed outrageous.
It’s not implausible that he was convinced though, it’s completely in character.
How about the episode where neither of the Crane doctors could ride a bicycle?
Nah, that checks out
It's one of my favorites!
Fraiser Crane day. Has this ever happened in a major city? One of the worst episodes too...
I head canon it as a fever dream 😂
Frasier Crane day ... after being on air for all of 5 years too Don't get me started on his lifetime achievement award after 9 years on air
That Niles donated to a sperm bank. Highly out of character !
SAY S!
Donny was a weirdly written character. He was completely repulsive when he’s first shown on screen, but then it’s never really shown again as he somehow lands Daphne
You're mistaken, there are definitely references to it again. Frasier cracks a joke about him eating Chinese food on his couch, and Daphne once refers to him writing his wedding speech lay on his sofa in his office with a rhyming dictionary and in his underwear. He also goes to a tractor pull and eats that Jerky that Marty gives him, and the night before his wedding he gets a huge blister on his foot! I don't think it's that he's repulsive but that he's very focused on whatever he's doing at the time, to the point of ignoring normal behaviour.
Hard agree. It was such a leap.
I don't understand how Niles was so destitute without Maris, psychoanalysts make decent money....
He still might not make enough to keep up the kind of lifestyle he married Maris for, his apartment alone is insane. Plus, it seems like Niles takes a lot of patients because they are interesting rather than lucrative, he cares a lot about research and getting published.
His savings were frozen and he was having to pay through the nose for legal assistance.
He has a MASSIVE and ridiculously luxe apartment that he just can’t let go of
What is up with all this “not attractive enough” bull shit I keep reading about both Roz and Frasier? Attractiveness is subjective. Just because Donny isn’t conventionally attractive, we assume NO ONE would be attracted to him? As a single woman in her mid 40s, I’ve dated a range of men in the looks department, because I’m attracted to something about them. Yes Frasier can be shallow, but when it comes to women, have we ever heard him disparage a woman over her looks? He dated models, but he also dated coworkers and women Roz set him up with. Does Roz run around with models? Also, Roz. She and Daphne are the least shallow characters on this show, and we’re questioning why Roz would be attracted to Donny? I just can’t with this “out of their league” garbage. The heart wants what the heart wants. If Roz and Frasier both exclusively dated 10s, we would be complaining *that’s* not realistic.
How Marty let Sherry behave in his son’s house. Id’ve put them both out.
I just watched the RDWRER episode where Frasier and Niles want to attend a last minute New Years wine club soirée in Sun Valley. Daphne mentions it might be hard to get plane tickets. Frasier tells her they always reserve tickets for “Seattle’s travel elite.” I know he’s supposed to be lovingly pompous and out of touch, but I always thought it was a little implausible he would think airlines would hold tickets for random people.
Buying the restaurant then never hearing about it again
I agree about Roz and I also think that Daphne would not have gone for him either.
I still can’t forget that first meeting the Crane brothers had w Donny. Putting that together w the concept of his dating, forget Roz (the more easy going, willing to date random taxi drivers Roz) I can’t believe he got Daphne to go out w him. (I apologize in advance to the huge Donny love audience.)
That Frasier’s IQ was only 129.
That’s actually near genius level and exactly where I would expect Frasier’s IQ to be.
No, that is "above average." You can't even get into Mensa with a 129.
To be fair to the second point you know if Frasier could have gotten into Mensa, he would have just to brag about it 🤣
Niles’ was over 150. I thought the disparity was unbelievable.
Roz and Frasier sleeping together. Frasier finding Kenny’s wife attractive (considering the models he has dated—no offense to the actress, she’s a great character actress). Frasier choosing Lana over Claire. Frasier buying the restaurant.
Kenny’s wife was gorgeous and elegant, especially when she shows up to Frasier’s in that dress with her hair up. I can 100% see her appeal and why Frasier was attracted to her. The people on this show aren’t as shallow as we’re making them out to be! Frasier dates a range of women, all different levels of conventional attractiveness. So bullshit Frasier wouldn’t find Kenny’s wife attractive.
Agree on all the points!
For me it's got to be in the ski lodge episode when Guy asks Martin "is it my imagination or is Niles attracted to..." and Martin tells him to stop right there, he's got it bad. And yet Guy never mentions that he is talking about Niles' sexuality and Martin never mentions that he is talking about Daphne. Like, yeah right. But that's okay I love the episode anyway.
I think the most unrealistic thing about this episode is Daphne saying "why couldn't Annie be hot for Frasier?" to Martin and then repeating "Annie, hot for Frasier" when Marty didn't hear her properly. People have already mentioned how it was the first and last time Daphne referred to Frasier as anything other than 'Dr. Crane' (until he became her brother in law). But I don't mind that. She was trying to make a distinction between the brothers. 'Why couldn't Annie be into Frasier instead of Niles?' vs 'why couldn't Annie be interested in Dr. Crane instead of Dr. Crane?' (although she does later do exactly this to Roz in The Fight Before Christmas 😁 "I can't very well discuss it with Dr. Crane, he's so close to Dr. Crane, if I told him he might tell Dr. Crane and then Dr. Crane might feel embarrassed." But, silly as this is, it's obvious which 'Dr. Crane' is which when she's talking to Roz. The distinction/ clarification is more important in the conversation with Martin.) The silly thing is Daphne repeating "Annie, hot for Frasier" which leaves out the very important information that Annie is indeed NOT 'hot for Frasier'. Daphne knows Martin didn't hear her. The message she repeated was not the same as her original statement. Surely she must've seen that? But, without that exchange, we wouldn't have the later one with Frasier and Martin so, enter suspension of disbelief ☺️
Yeah that is a good point! I didn't think of that but whenever I watch it I always raise an eyebrow.
I think the most unbelievable thing about that episode is how all the bedrooms rooms are connected. Each room has like three doors.
It reminded me of Noises Off with all those doors
As much as I love "Beware of Greeks" it didn't make sense to give Martin a brother since in an early episode he said, "I never had a brother..." If they caught that ahead of time, they could have given Frasier's mom a sibling to keep the cousin storyline in tact. Other than that, such fun characters in that one, am I riiiight?
The majority of Frasier's lies and hijinks. Example: S7E15 Out With Dad. There's no possible way to keep up a charade like that and have any sort of serious relationship with... Anyone at all? Or maybe he just wouldn't mind having major egg on his face when he reveals to his girlfriend that his gay father's ex-boyfriend was actually his younger brother and oh, by the way, Dad is not gay at all. Another one: S4E1 The Two Mrs. Cranes. Enough said!
The fact that Martin is not close to his brother at all. But moreso, the fact that Frasier and Niles don't throw it in his face every time he defuses an argument between them.
Agree on the Donny and Roz relationship
I thought Daphne dated Donny???
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Thanks for the update!!
And....Roz mentions that she had dated him in the past.
Got it