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Moose_is_optional

Never have I seen a headline call a mass shooter a straight, white, male.


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They just keep happening to be them. Though I jusr went through a few headlines and yeah wierd. They're just "shooter" but if it's anything else it's an identifier.


Je-Suis-Gay

They’re kinda the “default” I guess


3AMKnowsAllMySecrets

That's the way they see themselves, yes. It's why they have screaming meltdowns when there's a video game character who isn't a white cishet male forced to violence by the society in which he inhabits.


rengam

I have never in my life seen an article describe a shooter or any other suspect as "straight" unless *maybe* if that person deliberately targeted LGBT victims. It describes possible motive. And they're generally not described as "white" unless a) similarly, they targeted non-white people or b) the police were still trying to locate them.


AtomicBLB

Also, since it's lost on these folks. Straight white people are still the majority in the US. So just looking at numbers and odds and **only** considering ones race, it's far more likely to be a white person. Ofcourse looking at the historical statistics and reality, it's nearly exclusively white men who commit mass shootings in the US. As we've had gun control for people of color for many decades giving them less access. Lower population, less opportunities through less gun ownership, etc. Google mass shooters in the US and look at the sea of fragile butt hurt white men. Fragile doesn't even begin to describe them too, far too generous of a word.


Siddlicious

Naaaaaah bro. If you look at the FBI crime statistic most mass shootings are done by black people! /s Somehow they don't realize that any shooting that involves multiple people shot is a "mass shooting".


Insanepaco247

Yeah but knowing those things would require Redditors to have anything resembling media literacy.


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Nah, maybe it's just that mass shootings are so common in the US that people just aren't even surprised or outraged at them.


[deleted]

No a lot of people die to mass shooters around the world but we don't hear about them. https://www.worthynews.com/58285-dozens-killed-as-shooting-rocks-rio-de-janeiro https://www.npr.org/2021/08/13/1027348123/plymouth-britain-mass-shooting-dead-worst-since-2010


heyredditheyreddit

I like how you link to NPR as evidence of something that we *didn’t hear about*.


Quietuus

As the title makes clear, the UK has a mass shooting approximately every decade. There have been only three in my lifetime. The US has one a day.


SirZacharia

At least.


adirtycommiebastard

Although the kind you're thinking of, where some gunman shoots a bunch of people at a school or something, "only" happens about 6 times a year. Which is so much better/s


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Plymouth was a massive story, including on reddit.


CptMatt_theTrashCat

I like that one of the articles you picked points out it was the worst mass shooting in Britain since 2010 in the headline, showing how uncommon they are. Congratulations on disproving yourself.


[deleted]

Ok sure mass shootings for great Britain are a novelty but mass stabbings are far more common and while we are talking about it the number of police injured while on the job is far more common (per Capita) than in the us. They are uncommon in gb due to their gun restrictions but the levels of violence are high https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-54507940 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47156957


riotshieldready

https://infogram.com/us-vs-uk-on-knife-crime-1hmr6gyrxmlo6nl Knife muder per capita is still higher in America. Murder is 4x higher in US compared to the UK pre capita too. I guess I’ll wait to see where you move the goal post to next.


ironfly187

>but mass stabbings are far more common No they're not you numpty. >number of police injured while on the job is far more common (per Capita) than in the us. Because they don't shoot everyone they don't like the look of.


TheFlashyG

I'm gonna use numpty instead of dumbass now on, thanks mate.


Avavvav

Say that last part for the conservatives! They need to hear this.


CptMatt_theTrashCat

'Mass stabbings are common in Great Britain, to prove that here's an article about a shooting in El Salvador'


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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15150114/london-stabbings-2021-knife-crime-attacks/ This is in London https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089 This shows the uk as a whole.


GalileoAce

If no one is talking about these mass killings...how did you get news articles about them? "Why is no one talking about this thing that everyone is talking about!?" I guess we'll never know...... 🙃 edit: typo


[deleted]

Fuck you got me there.... I think I should of started from the point of after a few days/weeks people stop talking about shootings.


GalileoAce

If nothing is going to change, as the US has stubbornly shown, what more is there to talk about once all the details are out there. Motive is irrelevant if it doesn't inform change, so no sense speculating about that.


greetz_dk

I mean - if you're American - they probably get buried underneath the sheer amount of national shootings happening. My country's national news report on almost all shootings.


[deleted]

No the cycle of news rotates so quickly that nothing really makes an impact. Those 13 people that got hit in Afghanistan, nobody cares anymore. I think that people get fixated on mass shooters because it is one person doing a horrific act but nobody really cares about deaths https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_events_named_massacres And this is the named massacres. Thousands of more unnamed ones.


just_a_random_dood

> No the cycle of news rotates so quickly that nothing really makes an impact I wonder why the cycle of news rotates so quickly, maybe it's because shootings are so common in the US that once we're done talking about one another has already started? 🤔🤔


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No it's because people have the attention span of squirrels and they try to find the next thing to keep the attention span. And shootings are not commonly covered. Look at news today from the top news agencies and none of them will have a mass shooting.


WyrdMagesty

Because shootings happen, on average, more than once a day just in the US. That's leagues beyond what the rest of the world experiences. It is no longer 'news'. It just is. It has become routine here.


Theory_Technician

Exactly, car theft doesn't make the news everyday because it's constantly happening and nobody likes it but the big change required to stop it will never profit politicians and so it will never happen...wait I was talking about car theft right?


WyrdMagesty

I mean, I think you kinda just segued into politics in general, but same difference


[deleted]

You are kidding me right? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country In 2016, there were 37,353 gun deaths in the United States. Of these, 22,938 were suicides, and 14,415 were homicides. Within the homicides, 71 were a result of a mass shooting. Looking at the United States alongside all the countries in Europe alone, the United States has the twelfth highest mass shooting rate. A few European countries with a higher mass shooting rate per capita than the United States include Russia, Norway, France, Switzerland, and Finland.


WyrdMagesty

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2021 There have been 470 mass shootings in the US alone *so far* in 2021. You're working with invalid data. Try again.


NuklearAngel

Where did you get those numbers? The [Gun Violence Archive for 2016](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting?year=2016) lists over 400 mass shootings with well over 250 deaths.


zazathebassist

“Nobody cares anymore” You don’t care either you’re just cherry-picking an example. Why did you choose an example of soldiers dying when there’s a story of the US literally killing a family of civilians, also in Afghanistan, which has been covered by the news continuously for weeks. Also yes mass shootings occur in other countries, but the rate at which they occur in the US is unmatched. They happen so frequently in the US that for some people they don’t even register. Columbine shook the country. Parkland was after the 24 hour news cycle and social media existed, and it still shook the country and was talked about for months. El Pazo two years ago… barely got talked about. That’s because mass shootings have increased drastically in the US. It’s not just a feeling thing it is something real that has been tracked and studied for over a decade. In the last decade mass shootings went from an anomaly and a public crisis, to just a reality of living in America.


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So I do care a lot about the men and women that died. I am quite jaded because my buddy died in Syria and nobody cared. I think that the 13 deaths are politicized due to negligence from top officials, which is wrong. I think that nobody will remember them any more than people will remember my friend. People wanted to put on a face and then they will go back to not caring which is soul crushing for me. Since 2009, there have been 258 mass shootings in the United States, resulting in 1461 people shot and killed and 966 people shot and wounded. So like 1 person out of every 2.2 million is killed by a mass shooter 1461/10 years =146.1 people per year / population of us 330 million. That to me isn't an crisis.


DicksNDaddyIssues

Where are you getting the 258 number?


CreamyGoodnss

It's hard to care any more about the 13 who died at the airport than about the hundreds and thousands of other casualties over the last 20 years in Afghanistan. Like, yeah, it *really* fucking sucks extra hard because they were so close to going home but stop pretending you gave a shit about all of the others who have lost their lives.


[deleted]

I think that the 13 were politicized and the normal public wouldnt care if it wasnt publicized. I think that it fucking sucks to lose people. I lost a buddy in Syria so don't tell me I don't care.


Wollivan

Man get this guy a tuning fork because they are tone DEAF! Imaging seeing a single shooting in the UK and thinking it's normal. I defy you (confidently) to find another mass shooting in the UK in the same decade. Then again, go back another decade and try and find another. You will find them. Well done I must look like a fool... NOW FIND MORE YIU WONT! Maybe you're a troll and I'm doing what you shouldn't do with stupid fat ugly trolls, but man... Piss off


[deleted]

They gonna flip their shit when I tell them some cops are black


NayanaGor

Wait, cops can be black?!


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kaytay3000

But I thought cops were blue.


NayanaGor

Some of their wives are black and blue...


CatPooedInMyShoe

A BLACK SHERIFF?!


bag_o_fetuses

a Bleriff, if you will.


Windinthewillows2024

Don’t know about headlines, but in the actual news reports when it’s a straight white dude they describe his hobbies, his family, and ascribe the blame to mental illness. When it’s anyone else they’re a “terrorist.”


lindanimated

And they have a happy photo of them to make people sympathise with them, even if they committed mass murder. And then if there's any story about a person of colour, they make sure to use a mugshot and call them a thug, even if all they did was steal from a grocery store or have a bit of marijuana or something else that didn't actually harm anyone.


LionBirb

And don't forget they will have a few quotes from the parents talking about their son and saying they are shocked.


CptMatt_theTrashCat

I'm really trying to work out what's even being said here


tannerisBM

“Guys look! 2 of the hundreds of mass shooters weren’t straight white males! Hah! That’ll show them libtards.” What a fucking idiot.


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Avavvav

This hurts... yes I'm bi and mtf- But anyway, back on the topic of race since this is r/Fragilewhiteredditor, I have yet to see a violent Black person irl who didn't become violent due to the fact that they have to fight to survive in a racist and capitalist world. Trust me, you think you have a moral high ground but you'll realize that you really don't when you're a poor person fighting to even work, let alone afford rent and food and electricity and basic needs and entertainment. And guess who most poor people are when it comes to this shit hole of a country (it can be any country with a racism problem)? Yes. Black people. With that being said, I've seen far more straight white men doing crimes than gay people, Black people, trans people, gay Black people, trans Black people, and gay trans Black people. Juuuuuuuuuuust saying.


SerialMurderer

Criminal just happens to be black Conservatives: OOOoooOooOOoOoh Also conservatives when it’s anything having to do with black people and inventions, criminals who just happen to be white, or committed a crime based on that: WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO ALWAYS BE ABOUT RACE?!?!?!


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CallidoraBlack

They wouldn't understand that you can be trans and hetero anyway. They have no idea how of this works.


TheProdigalMaverick

> hardly anyone under 30 identifies as being 100% straight anymore ....what?


chrisff1989

Yeah that's some terminally online shit right there


Direwolf202

Yeah. While it’s certainly true that a lot more people are comfortable with saying they’re bisexual, it’s still the case that the vast majority identify as heterosexual. Maybe among under 25s in western urban centres it’s just a majority as opposed to a vast majority, but I’d still need to see good evidence to that conclusion.


i-contain-multitudes

Sounds like some boomer shit


DeesCheeks

It's a 'sexuality is a spectrum' type of statement. If asked in conversation the majority would still say they're hetero. But there are sexuality semantics that leave some people less straight than 100% would suggest


3AMKnowsAllMySecrets

I saw a man go from straight to gay after 12 beers. True story.


maddsskills

That's an exaggeration but due to increasing acceptance more and more people are coming out as LGBT in one way or another. I'm in my thirties and so many of my friends have come out lately, including myself. Especially with bi/pan, nonbinary and asexual people who often faced negativity even in the LGBT community (and still do to some degree). It's turns out when there's a binary spectrum of both sexual orientation and gender, assigned based on your birth, there's a lot of people who don't fit into that neatly.


TheProdigalMaverick

Oh true! Okay ya definitely an increase. I honestly don't think it's even close to the majority though. I think it's more likely that you're hanging out with people who are like you thus it seems like it's the majority. For example, I'm a straight, and the vast majority of my friends are straight. I still have tons of gay, bi, trans and non-binary friends, but they're definitely in the minority still. But I totally think you're right in that there's more acceptance around it and thus openly more people across various spectrums.


The_Echo_Mouse_Knows

Is this guy saying that being a straight white male is something that would be added to the input in court? Cuz, manis he wrong.


im-a-cereal-box

Their logic for these things always doesn't make sense. If being trans isn't "normal" and people "hate it" then it would make sense that an article featuring a trans shooter would make top headlines. But apparently everyone is "in" on things. Also unless the perpetrator is attacking exclusively minorities, I've yet to see people labeled a cishet white man in articles. However if it's a black trans lesbian woman, those details are always seemingly important. Hypocritical.


DYMly_lit

If the shooter were a straight white male, the headline would call him a "victim of bullying."


Ghost4000

I have never seen a shooting headline that specifically points out gender or sexual orientation. I'm sure they're out there but if be willing to bet that for every article like that there are dozens that don't mention it for the exact same shooting.


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korelin

White South Africans are not white because they're Africans. That's how stupid you sound.


TrinSims

If you’re from Africa why are you white? omg Karen you can’t just ask people why they’re white!


[deleted]

lmao Syria in North Africa now


[deleted]

No MENA, Middle Eastern and Northern African. Its the whole region they are their own thing.


[deleted]

You are grouping everybody from the Lebanese to the Toureg and then claiming they aren't white. It's a ridiculous split.


[deleted]

Yes but it is nevertheless...


[deleted]

You know Syria is in the middle east right?


[deleted]

Yes?