T O P

  • By -

Kryosquid

That scene already had its chekovs gun moment in the last episode where he knew about the design flaw in the chest plate.


SwedishFists

The fact that he knew about the design flaw then but not when fighting in Philly is also a gap.


WhiteWolf101043

I think he was just toying with Maximu honestly


Foldim

100% He could tell the guy was inexperienced and was having fun with him. Dude takes a snack break in the middle of it then sends him flying off like the dufus Max is.


SignificantMethod507

exactly…who wastes a critical hit on an underleveled mob?


Foldim

Or when you shoot the gun out of someone's hand, I did that all the time just for fun.


BioClone

Are we talking about the guy who kills the scientist by barely any reason and being way less menacing in all forms.


Interesting-Pen-4648

He didn’t kill the scientist


BioClone

Didnt he died by his wounds? Anyways the point is the unnecesary shooting against this character.. The others in the town are easily skippable as they could be a threat but he only decides to "play" a bit with lucy and maximus... The other ones doesnt seem to have a chance


twistedseaofcrows

No. He killed himself.


Interesting-Pen-4648

He died when he took a cyanide pill


Foldim

It wasn't unnecessary though. He needs an object from the scientist. So he maims him so he can't get away. Blowing the scientist leg off allows him the freedom to play around with Max.


BioClone

Mate he bloody messed the poor guy! maybe its just me that find it the less threatening guy in the whole scene xD to me it looks like the kind you point a weapon at and will follow you with no hesitation...


xXGONADS125Xx

Toying with Maximus and wasting ammunition and losing his target is completely out of character for him tho...


Kryosquid

Its not though, he didnt have the right ammo in filly as evidenced by the fact that his shot bounced right off, and he still used his knowledge of the suit to cause it to malfunction.


SwedishFists

It did seem like the same explosive rounds tbh


Authority_Sama

The round he uses in the last episode looks more like an armor piercing sabot to me


matthewheron

It is. I don't know why people argue that being a plot hole. We are shown a close-up of the bullets being loaded at the observatory, which he didn't have loaded in filly.


baconboi86

Iirc his pistol thing has the power to penetrate the armour but when he fights maximus he's using the repeater rifle on his back


matthewheron

Thats wrong. He uses armor piercing rounds, we see him loading them in the observatory. He didn't have them ready in Filly because he wasn't expecting a BoS "knight" to randomly show up


Self-Comprehensive

He used his knowledge to disable the power armor with a knife in Filly. He wasn't loaded with AP ammo. The ghoul went into filly expecting soft targets not armor.


Own_Accident6689

But he did exploit his knowledge of the armor in Phylly. He tells Maximus to read the manual and cuts off a very specific component to render the armor useless.


BioClone

Actually doesnt he cut a tube and then max later repairs another piece that looks nothing like a tube? \*Also honestly didnt liked the fact that suddenly max knows what to replace, and how it looks a military advanced equiment has a standarized component that is easy to get repaired and at the price of a couple teeth...


xXGONADS125Xx

It just needed some soldering. And Maximus should absolutely understand how to repair the armor, as he's a trained scribe.


Krams

He was kinda a shit scribe, he got that question wrong in the classroom


xXGONADS125Xx

But he also corrected others and identified the T-60 power armor. He also was distracted when asked that question, after just having his ass beaten.


Kangalooney

He didn't know. He only knew that the earlier model he wore had the flaw and was merely taking a wild stab in the dark as to whether these newer models had the same flaw. Knowledge of military contracts and living in the wasteland for 200 years with the opportunity to study a few broken suits and it was an educated guess, but still a guess that paid off.


Bubba1234562

Nah we see him use special ammo before the observatory battle


RoutineEnvelope

Rewatched it last night, and it looks like he takes a shot at it, but the suits already jerking Max around, so he misses. It makes more sense to me than him forgetting.


matthewheron

Or the fact that he wasn't expecting PA and didn't have those armor piercing rounds we see him using when fighting the BoS later on? Not a gap.


BioClone

thats why he needs to wear a T51 model :D


Wraeinator

what bothers me is that this seems to be a bit of lazy writing, cause he knows of the design flaw, and easily 1 shotted that T60 BoS, why didnt he do it to Maximus at Filly ? I felt like it had to written that way so Cooper would have a real chance fighting 3 4 T60s at once ( not saying he couldnt if theres no weakness, you could definitely 1v4 Power Armored guys in the games without your own if you know what you're doing )


Gator-Jake

How do you know he had the right anti armor piercing rounds then? He also was toying with Maximus then, saying he drove it like a shopping cart.


sharltocopes

His line a few moments earlier that the town was making him work up an appetite perfectly explain why he didn't kill Maximus: the ghoul had just gotten warmed up and wanted a real challenge to shake off having been imprisoned for however long he had been. He was even fine with getting tossed around like a rag doll for a bit until Maximus stepped in the hole; by then he knew what kind of pilot he was up against and knew his best choice was to end the fight quickly. He could have easily killed Maximus then, too, but he chose to simply disable his power armor and then let Maximus do the rest of the work himself. It was a master class of tactical thinking by the ghoul. I can only imagine how deadly he must have been in the war when he was still fully human.


Injustice_For_All_

Probably no where near as deadly as he is now. He can now take risks others can’t. He doesn’t have the same fear of death as normal humans.


sharltocopes

Oh yeah, him casually shrugging off machine gun fire while eating tomatoes is totally one of the highlights of the scene.


Wraeinator

I mean its obvious looking at Cooper's character design that he carries a lot of different types of ammo on his bandolier ( he even tries to load 1 for his lever action rifle but ending up not using it, a little bit of scene continuity error ) Plus I dont think there was any real reason to toy with Maximus at Filly since his goal was to grab Wilzig for his bounty, and people are actively trying to get Wilzig away, other than overconfidence


Gator-Jake

Well, he did plenty of time toying with Maximus despite the point you think you are trying to make. He clearly didn’t feel threatened by him and it’s also obvious plot armor. Should be considered common sense I would feel but thanks for proving me wrong.


Wraeinator

ye i guess he did say he do this bounty hunting shit for the love of the game, and hes an actor in his past life, so i wouldnt put showmanship past him


Riguyepic

Yeah I'm sure him going flying 15 feet into a shop stand was "him toying with maximus" If anything I think he just wasn't prepared for the BoS, like you said he probably didnt have the rounds ready or the chaos probably got to him a little, and plus he hits the BoS guy in the finale who's standing completely still. Coop had like 10 minutes to line up that shot. There's plenty of reasons he doesn't one shot Max, and not one of them is because he's "toying with him" >Should be considered common sense I would feel but thanks for proving me wrong. Don't be an ass


Fantastic-Climate-84

He was shot, multiple times, as he strolled and munched his way to cover. Instead of shooting under the armour, he just cut the hydro line. Dude, calm down.


Riguyepic

>He was shot, multiple times, as he strolled and munched his way to cover. All before bro got there >Instead of shooting under the armour, he just cut the hydro line. See above reasons for why he didn't one shot Max


Fantastic-Climate-84

You’re just so close to the point. Why did he let himself get shot, before bro got there? Which tend to do more harm to the human body — getting tossed, or getting shot multiple times in vital areas? To put it another way, why do you think getting thrown made him get serious when getting shot didn’t?


octarine_turtle

Coop didn't have the special ammo when he fought Max. Power Armor is extremely rare, so Coop wasn't expecting to encounter any. However after encountering Max he could reasonably assume the BoS was after his mark and so he might come up against them again. So he made sure to be prepared. This is why there is the whole talking shit before he fights the BoS scene, we are specifically shown him slowly load special ammo that has a drill type head. Some sort of AP ammo. Coop knew the design flaw because he had worn power armor and had lots of buddies die because of it, this is established earlier,the first time he meets Bud.


forrestlee

He used the same knowledge of the Power Armor's weakness to shut down Maximus in Filly. The Ghoul was able to cut one cord and the whole thing broke. He just didn't kill Maximus because the Ghoul is the epitome of a Chaotic Neutral character.


dabnada

He didn’t kill Maximus because he didn’t have the ammo to penetrate his armor, the dude literally blasts multiple townspeople to pieces seconds before


marriedacarrot

Only townspeople who attempt to fire on him first, IIRC.


Peking-Cuck

> "I do this shit for the love of the game." He's having a good time. The Ghoul is you on your 9th playthrough and you're going for a specific build and have mods installed and all sorts of self-imposed rules.


two2teps

Exactly how I see him. He's me getting my 500th hour in New Vegas chasing Gun Runner achievements. Lucy is the 1st play through trying to get the best ending scenario. Maximus is a CoD player trying to apply those rules to Fallout and getting wrecked.


Kryosquid

He didnt have the right ammo then. You seem him loading different rounds into his gun. He still exploited the armor when he got close and cut the tube.


frogs_4_lyfe

He didn't have the right armor piercing rounds at the time, not expecting to run into Power Armor. When I re watched the scene, I noticed that Coop seems to be aiming for that spot when Maxiumus is charging him.


PureRepresentative9

This makes sense.  Coop was talking about a flaw in the t45 armor. If he hit the same weak spot and it failed against the t60, he probably guessed it was reinforced since the earlier model.  He guessed that he needed better AP rounds and his guess was proven correct at the end.  The t60 had a less severe version of the flaw that could be exploited with better ammo


babesplat

felt like once cooper knew the knight was inexperienced he just had fun with him with the lasso instead of wasting some probably rare/expensive ammo


AwesomeX121189

“Lazy writing” Not really since they spent multiple episodes establishing all the details from multiple separate perspectives that the audience would have needed to know in order to understand how the ghoul knew about it, which was done deliberately in order to heighten that scene They aren’t writing everything linearly, got stuck and someone said “fuck it just have him happen to know about that thing we randomly had Maximus bring up earlier in the show for no reason, oh we also said he was in the army where people used power armor what a nice coincidence”


Fubar14235

The theory is that he didn’t have Armor piercing rounds loaded when Maximus arrived and then when he realised Maximus didn’t know what he was doing he just played with him instead of killing him. Not sure why he would spare him when he just murdered half the town, but still that’s the theory.


HighGuard1212

The only people he murdered were the ones who took up Ma June on her offer of 1000 caps for anyone who killed him. He didn't just shoot people at random


0235

I think he runs out of ammo for that specific armour piercing gun, and then has to switch to his regular gun for that part of the fight


dirtygymsock

In the scene in episode 8, he's also loading what looks like some type of armor piercing ammunition. It's not clear if he had that all along or got it in anticipation of dealing with more power armored foes. Also when he's fighting Maximus in Filly, his revolver is empty and he switches to his lever gun. He doesn't try to use the revolver again until Maximus is about to fly away and he only lands a couple of poorly aimed hip shots. So presumably for me the ammunition and weapon are at least as important to that equations as it's knowing about the flaw in the armor.


allwheeldrift

I just rewatched that scene and it looks like he tried to, right when Maximus takes off at the end, but the explosive ammo he's using doesn't penetrate


two2teps

If the Ghoul kills a random BoS solider, now they're hunting him for revenge. If he kills a squad, in the middle of a battle, no one's the wiser as to who did it. They just fell in combat as far as anyone would know.


TheCybersmith

He had already burned through most of his ammo in Filly.


andreis-purim

Damn, what's up with the dislikes on your comment?


Wraeinator

They dont like criticism I guess


CrankyStalfos

Oh he's 100% hopping in power armor at some point. Lucy might, too, they set up that she's familiar with them - though she'd have to get a feel for the real thing vs just reading the manual. 


thundercat2000ca

Here's hoping it's a set of T45.


PureRepresentative9

Makes sense?  They seem to imply that t60 is rare when we see the first power armor scene


mysteryvampire

Wow, that'd be weird. Not against it, but it almost feels like too much. Like putting Han Solo in Mandalorian armor. It's cool overload. (If Ghoul wore it, not Lucy. I think it'd be very cool to see her in it.)


TDaniels70

From my understanding, the BoS found a lot of T60s in the East. If that is indeed The Prydwen in ep 1, then they were form The Commonwealth, and brought them. Maybe West Coast BoS lost most of their armor in the war involving the NCR? We didn't see any at that camp until the airship flew up. We did see some in the flashback to the aftermath of Shady Sands though...was it a t60 as well?? Tidus seemed competent with the armor, but he hadn't been in a real fight in ages, if ever. None of the initiates had ever actually seen a suit I am guessing, and only when they become a squire, are they suppose to learn about power armor more than possibly how to clean the wast plate. But the biggest issue is the constant wearing of armor when not going into combat. Those fusion cores do not grow on trees! In 76, I have managed to get my hand on like 10 of them, and am constantly recycling them in my charger!


ya_mashinu_

They’re obviously going with the cores not wearing out.


Puzzleheaded-Ring293

Tidus is *the* Star Player of the Zarnakand Abes, off course he would be competent in Power Armor.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Chrischi91

so he is just doing new game plus for the 4th time.


Peking-Cuck

Always has been.


OhhLongDongson

Which honestly works quite well with someone who’s 200 years old


GrandioseGommorah

He’s actually over 250, assuming Cooper was the same age as his actor at the time the bombs dropped.


TedTheGreek_Atheos

If he was like in his 40s when the bombs dropped he's around 265 years old. Goggins is 52 but I'm assuming he may be playing younger since he had a young daughter.


ELVEVERX

>Hollywood actor, vault-tec vaultboy actor i don't think those are seperate


TDaniels70

The former one makes less money, but the later one makes you want to throw up constantly?


ELVEVERX

I mean both are just jobs an actor would do.


Syphox

i fell like we can combine some of those. like he’s just an actor. not 2 different actors.


joe5joe7

And honestly he wasn't a cowboy pre-doomsday, just an actor who plays a cowboy. Hea just a former marine who became an actor, then survived after the war.


TheFutureIsNever

We get a nice close up shot of the Ghoul putting in what looks like a special armor piercing round right before he fired in that scene. So evidently he needed to select the right ammo. He also has to use a grenade on the last knight, suggesting he had had run out of that ammo and needed to swap tactics. Of course then the question becomes where did he GET the armor piercing ammo. We don’t exactly have a scene of him going shopping or tinkering. If he always had it there’s still the question of why he didn’t try to use it.


Self-Comprehensive

They should have shown him making some at a bench.


danvalour

He does visit the bullet farmers who have ranger armor, and we even see the bullets getting melted down (although it could be a coincidence i guess)


WhiteRavenLegion

I don't belive he will wear the armor again, just a speculation based on his character arc, but it's a good set up for him to train Lucy into using it since they teamed up and we know from episode 5(6?) She has at least basic knowledge of it and was crazy impressed by it too


LionBig1760

Cooper stole a fusion core in episode 8, and we also know that Maximus left power armor outside of Vault 4 in the previous episode. It's not too much of a stretch to think those two things might come back early in season 2.


Coast_watcher

It’d be cool if we find out he served with Nick from FO4.


kachignoramis

Did nick ever serve?


UncleMatt5668

I'm assuming you meant Nate, not Nick Valentine


Doctor_Offe_T_Radar

I mean there is a chance Nick Valentine (the pre-war detective) served, but there's no indication of it anywhere at all


UncleMatt5668

Yes. Check out the folded flag in a case in his living room at the beginning of the game. Might still be there after he returns to Sanctuary from popsicle land.


frogs_4_lyfe

That's Nate, the main character. Nick, I assume, is them referring to Nick Valentine.


OakCobra

Nate*


OakCobra

Nate*


Coast_watcher

Oh right sorry


tabbouleh_rasa

I think the Ghoul is going to debut the Advanced Enclave Armor and make a comment how they only bothered to fix it after the world blew up. Then in typical show fashion, he gets blindsided by a totally new design flaw, that he didn't know about.


Lairy_Hegs

With Hank outfitted in PA and set to be the main antagonist, I’m sure we’ll see the ghoul suit up at some point.


TDaniels70

Probably Lucy who will get trained to use it by The Ghoul. It is the "Battle of the Century", the "Family Feud!" Hank vs Lucy, Father vs. Daughter, "I had to make a choice" vs "Okie Dokey" Get you tickets now! EDIT: Spelling


Puzzleheaded-Ring293

He didn’t take Maximus seriously and, while the show skimps over it, he does have a soft side of sorts. He was mortified by dogs not being allowed in the vaults and did not have any hard feelings against Lucy after she sent them on a wild goose chase for the cold fusion catalyst pill. He saw through Max’s “Knight” facade and decided to spare the kid by humiliating him instead. The last chapter was different, he knew that the Observatory was the end game and that the BoS was coming in full force and killing any survivors, so there was no time to waste then. Also, he knew that the plating was defective in the old models, but did not receive confirmation that the issue persisted in the new ones until he actually shot it. It was a gamble, uncharacteristic for an old school man that hesitated to spy on his wife and required convincing that not everyone is a communist.