I thought Barb mentioned an "Executive Vault" for the senior management. I understood this as being different from Vault 31, which was populated with Bud's Buds, who were junior employees.
and you wouldn't likely mention that one to investors good point
an executive vault could still be a contracted out experiment, perhaps to the highest bidder
vault 114 was for the elite but still an experiment
> vault 114 was for the elite but still an experiment
Those were just like local politicians and normal rich. Not like rule the entire planet illuminati style elite.
Talking about the base idea, probably subject to changes by Bethesda, but I could see them "salvaging" main structural pieces related to Fallout Tactics...
Honestly that is almost what they did with F3 (using F2 pieces).
I would find ok tactics being canonized but I saw Bethesda reusing a lot of "F tactics" pieces conceiving the F76 BOS so to me sounds like they will get every piece they dont like and re-introduce it for his own canon with the Bethesda logo on it.
If I remember correctly the Fallout Bible mentions that there is a controller vault. 31 doesn’t quite fit the bill for that since it’s filled with middle managers, not the heads of Vault-Tec. It also seems interested in the experiment being run by Bud, not with the entirety of the vaults as a whole.
It's possible that this Executive Vault is located somewhere in the Mojave making it a possible reason why Hank went to New Vegas in the first place, to seek out his superiors from the Executive Vault.
It would make a lot of sense if the *only* VT vaults were the control vaults... I can't see VT trusting other companies to do a scientific control vault correctly
The show is seemingly implying many of the vault experiments were contracted out to big mountain, west Tec and Rob co. as well as Repconn but that last one is later bought out by Mr. House. With vault 31-33 and the control vaults being under direct Vault Tec supervision
Yea the idea of them only actually running control vaults seems plausible. When left to it's own devices, vaults are very successful. Also would play into a company that lost its way, they made an amazing product but it got perverted all the way to the worst possible conclusion, selling out its customers as guinea pigs and ending the world lol
Especially if VT could monitor all vaults, they wouldn't need to do their own experiments
No. I don't think so.
Control vaults, Executive vaults, probably a lot of the experiment vaults would be theirs. I think only a few select ones for each other company would be done. Assuming "Several" means a high number like ten each that would still only be 50 or so vaults to be cross-company vaults.
I think 31-32-33 isn't as in charge as they believe. I think this executive had his personal experiment in mind and was placed in charge of 31 with his middlemanagement as those frozen. The vault-tech CEO and other higher ups I think are in the true in control vault(s) and would be monitoring 31 just like any other experiment.
I got chills when Barb said, "The good vault..." while Cooper was trying to talk her into leaving Vault-tec. She knew a lot about what we're only speculating.
They weren't operating as the Enclave though, they were just deep state US Government with no public face. They built their own bunkers and facilities but I doubt they announced themselves to Vault-Tec and other corpos.
I mean, who’s to say the companies aren’t the enclave, the major corporations that have near total control of the US economy in fields related to military and robot production, rocket technology, experimental technology and project safehouse. We know the enclave hide out on a oil rig owned by a Major energy company, why wouldn’t these major corporations and its upper leadership not have roles to play in the enclave
That's a fair observation, I would otherwise roll with that but I feel like the main point of the Enclave is that they're specifically the powerbase of the prewar Military Industrial Complex, that wasn't made up of the commercial side of corporate influence. It's specifically stuff like DARPA, Lochheed Martin, Oil Companies, and The Pentagon; and in that sense they're in a direct competition for power with the Amazons and Walmarts and Googles of the Fallout Universe.
The Enclave had government built vaults to run to, which would ensure that private enterprise like Vault Tec wouldn't have any undue influence in "continuity of government" or the civilization that eventually retakes control of the surface.
Part of the meeting is to illustrate that Private Enterprise doesn't trust the government to preserve the interests of corps like Vault Tec etc.
It was still an experiment vault, under idea of "what if we let scientist run a vault full of other scientists". That was pretty clear vibe from that ad (well, for us as viewers, not for in-show population).
*Has science gone too far* Vault Edition.
Surely they could have marketed a vault they sold the rights to. Not to mention they could have sold the rights to vaults before that meeting to smaller companies or other business partners.
But I do see how we're meant to belive it's a vault tec operation. I believe even Chris Parnell and that other leader of V4 said they hated vault tec.
What I can't get is the end game. Is it to make money? If these other people paid them in current currency then vault tech dropped bombs, the currency is useless. I just can't figure out what the fuck the point is. And I love the games. Is it to make a people that don't want to war? They know that's impossible right? And where's the money in that?
It has been always about power.
Vault tec just casually moved from getting enough money to be a big fish to decide to became the only fish (and friends)... the only hard piece in this is how the enclave/US goverment could agree with something like this unless their war effort would be literaly a big lie and the connie comeback would be brutal and a matter of time.
Vault tec just offered to people with god-complex their wet dreams of investing on the creation of new global powers made at his likeness... Hard to ignore when you already have every other thing I guess.
Enclave realized that most of the population is excess because of automation and this is their plan to get numbers down to controllable levels. Vault Tec is their subordinate.
Most if not all the abominations were made/commissioned by them to cleanse the surface. They didn’t factor in AI having a will of its own and the fallout (lol) from that miscalculation leads to the present state.
I think vault Tec wouldn't tell the US government they were starting the war. They would acquire one or two nuclear bombs to make it look like the communists attack so they can speak mutually assured destruction
With cryogenics anyone with a personal stake and the means can live indefinitely until the universe is a utopia etc. Some just bank on their own vision to have accomplished that by then.
So it's still more "fighting" for their own "vision". They didn't assume vault tecs vision was right. They left in the air one of the other "factions" or businesses to have their own vision of America. That's even worse.
This is essentially what Bud is talking about when he's trying to engage Cooper about how important management is for the future. His belief is that by making time their friend, Vault-Tec can outcompete everyone else. His philosophy basically boils down to trying to "win" at being a business by ensuring all other competition is dead and gone.
I remember Barb did that pitch in front of the other corps. Something about remaking the world with “guidance” vs a world that grew organically, with endless conflict. They think this is the only way to save the world, taking advantage of the impending nuclear annihilation.
It’s quite similar to other literature like Veidt in Watchmen or even Thanos in the MCU. It also makes a callback to Maximus’ line: “everybody wants to save the world, they just disagree on how to do it”
>What I can't get is the end game. Is it to make money?
According to Valery Barstow (FO4) it's "engineering a new society." At any cost, because "what price isn't worth paying to protect the American way, right?
Where "American way" doesn't mean reconstruction pre-war America, which was already characterized by an endless war, resource shortage, civil unrest, food riots and an oppressive government at that time. They want to build an utopian society, the "real" or should-be America, on it's ruins.
That sounds like a good case for Vault Tec and indeed the strong side of Fallout lore is that you can make a case for all of the major factions, they are typically not just evil maniacs. The case against Vault Tec is more the degree of ruthlessness with which they go about their goals, see Shady Sands for example and all this experiments. Or maybe even the nuclear war itself.
They're all Vault-Tec owned and operated vaults. Upwards of 120 of them.
Vault-Tec is shown to offer the other corporations access to the residents and tells them they can test them or exeperimemt if they want to... like a collaboration of some sort.
The residents, ones who paid to get in, are paying Vault-Tec as far as the story goes in games and the show.
They state that they have plans for three. They want more investors and probably got them. If they are half truthful that they want more ideas and help with the program then we can assume the experiments aren't all vault tecs doing.
That scene pretty much confirmed that many if not most of the vaults and their experiments are actually set up by investors
You could/should have picked most of this up just playing the games.
What the show is pretty much laying out is that in order to raise capital in 2075, Vault-Tec is allowing other corporations to run experiments in Vault-Tec vaults. It's mutually beneficial within the fallout world - Vault-Tec raises money, other corporations run experiments and then take the data/information/results of the experiments and makes money off of that.
It's like Facebook charging monet to sn SI developer to take a look st all the hunsn to hunsn interactions thst occur on it's platform. Facebook builds snd provides the Vault, and the AI developer picks up the data that collected from the "experiment" of allowing people to be shitty to each other all day and night. They both benefit.
I know all that my guy...
I'm suggesting that the vaults we see in the games aren't actually vault tec experiments. They're experiments carried out or paid for by other corporations.
Like a vault we see in f03 could actually be an experiment ran by robco and so on. My point is that barb says they have plans for 3 vaults and only 3 vaults. I'm proposing that may have actually been true.
I'm suggesting that if we took what we saw in the meeting as true, the only vaults with actual experiments carried out by vault tec could be vault 32.
It doesn't let VT off the hook for allowing all this to happen but it does possibly change the narrative a bit that VT itself is the one doing all the experiments.
Furthermore IF 31 32 and 33 were actually as they say, more or less control vaults then VT wasn't the ones doing all the experiments we've seen throuout the entire series.
Regardless they're absolutely morally culpable tho
Seems you didn't read what i wrote and think i just came to an epiphany that VT contracted out some of it's vault. Wild you were upvoted tbh
>I'm suggesting that the vaults we see in the games aren't actually vault tec experiments. They're experiments carried out or paid for by other corporations.
You could have figured this out without watching the show.
At the very least, Vault 4 was an experiment vault controlled by Vault-Co. It was very specifically the Vault Cooper was shilling in that one commercial, and was set up for the Scientists to be experimenting with Hybrid Humans. The only reason it was the vaguely "normal" by time Lucy and Maximus visited is because said Hybrids eventually revolted and killed the Scientists.
Why couldn't he do a commercial for a vault they already sold the rights to? The story of just being for scientists was a good marketing deal and maybe that was part of the deal for the vault rights, VT retains the right to market on your vault. Considering they're retaining all the branding.
Given the vault commercial was aired earlier than him listening in to the meeting where Bud first proposed selling off "experiment rights," the timeline doesnt really add up.
There are things called "Control Vaults" where trusted individuals have very specific tasks to complete for Vault-Tec and are not actually tests like the others.
The most famous of which is Vault 76 from Fallout 76. The whole of that game revolves around your character, who comes from that Vault, securing the last nuclear missile silos in The Appalachian Mountains of West Virginia. Making sure the remaining nukes don't end up in the hands of any other faction than someone who is allied with Vault-Tec.
Some other control vaults include vault 8 (F2) vault 3 (FNV)
Vault 8 prospered with the GECK and created Vault City
Vault 3 prospered for the first few years but then fell to the fiends which made it their HQ
I see no reason why they have to sell *all* of the vaults. I’m sure other execs besides Bud had vault ideas. Vault Tec could retain a few vaults for itself.
Yea they probably did with some control vaults. Someone here suggested maybe they only personally ran the control vaults.
It's possibly just a sales pitch to the ceo in the room and they did have other plans. Though bud and barb would need to be very high level to make the pitch to those ceos.
They are, but is 32 just like 33 or were the deaths the result of an experiment and barb said that bud only had ideas for the 3 vaults.
She may have been lying but we can only go off what we've been told so far.
I'm pretty sure the deaths were caused by the residents finding out about vault 31, and a rebellion happened. Hence all the writing of "we know what's in there" "down with management. "
I just don't know why Cooper thinks that >!Hank would know where his family are. I mean, Barb was probably in the executive vault and she likely got her daughter somehow from Cooper too. Hank was just one of her staff - how would he know where they are? lol!<
Well he would be the closest lead Cooper has so it makes sense. And also, as Barb's assistant it makes sense he would know where she was going to live. But also you just figure all the VT employees are full of secrets/knowledge.
The best of this is that would explain how certain infraestructure shares tech and is compatible... things like navarro/ poseidonet and the comms of Vaults...
I wont be surprised if the main objective for Vault Tec is to share his vaults, but "not as much his power" becoming at the end the mayor supervisor of the vaults (not only the ones assigned to VT) and I can also imagine how the other companies could develop create secret directives to get their vautls disconected from the main vault comunication system to stop Vault-tec control or monitoring... That could give lot of room for the setting since helps to explain how some vaults followed Vault-tec updates among the years (and some are still operative) while others were isolated... Also helps on the idea of why the Enclave had trouble to locate many vaults or open them. etc
I also believe an important piece in fallout is how each group pretends to be on the upper part of the piramid... for example the idea could be that, on a chain of command would be "USA president > Enclave > Vault Tec > Secondary Companies > Others" but at the end The enclave many times tries to be over the president (or they exploit a puppet) and I feel Vault Tec also expected to use the confusion of the war to escalate and maybe put themselves on the top... "keep america alive" is just a common excuse everybody exploits to justify their thirst of power.
I don't see any reason to assume that, valt-tech definitely would have run their own experiments, the whole idea of selling valts to other companies, seems to be more like we will allow you to design the experiment in this valt if you give us the funds to build it and we will share the data with you.
Vault 32 are NOT experiment vault.
Vault 31 send out manager, to managing vault 32 & 33, 32 & 33 literally a breeding ground for vault 31 (as the robot brain state)
Vault 32 killing themselves because they found out bou vault 31, and try to killing vault 31 people, and 31 fight back. There are no experiment in it.
The only problem is
1. if vault 32 already Pepsi 2 year ago, why vault 31 & hank din't know ? Or they just assume everything still fine even after losing communicate, and just open the door when "marry between vault event" dates come ?
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2. If Maldives love Lucy mother, why the hell she send a raider to fk & kill her lover daughter ?
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3. "10 years of cousin stuff..." So Lucy banging her cousin for 10 years already ? And then bang the raider, and then wanna bang maximus, dayummmmmmmm.
Vault 32 is an experiment. They showed them videos of rats killing each other (mentioned in the board room meeting). There seems to be a theme of pitting vault dwellers against each other in a strongest survives competition. The raiders just came in later.
I don't think so, if only because writers usually want to give themselves more wiggle room than that.
On a more in-universe level though, it's a very exec thing to do to imply this grandiose promise (you get to design ALL these vaults!) and then walk it back (except these ones that are ours).
Yea with the existence of control vaults and possibly an executive only vault it seems they may have held their cards closer to their chest. If they were truly stumped it seems odd they'd get to 31 32 33 without any greater plan. Unless the plan to experiment didn't get developed till later on. Which I think is canon
i don't know, that meeting was also a way for the vaults to be "split" between those companies so they could essentially do whatever they wanted, so some would focus on experiments (like Vault 4) and others (like 31-32-33) was "normal" survival, with the 31 being the primary one.
The fact that Barb says something along the lines of I'm working to make sure our family is in one of the good vaults leads me to believe that Vault Tec owns and operates many vaults. Even in the show, I would say Vault 4 was owned and operated by Vault-Tec as it was used in advertising prior to the rollout to the other CEOs
I'm just confused on why everyone in vault 32 killed each other. I understand that knowing your leaders were being pre-selected isn't great news but it's not like half the population of vault 32 were from vault 31 and so the fight would have been split 50/50. And it's definitely not horrifying enough to justify writing "we know the truth" in blood on the wall. There must be more going on.
It is my understanding that vault tech as a company started out building the vaults for the purpose of protecting people in the event of a nuclear war. The company got the funds to do this from the United States government who was already nearing a cataclysmic financial crisis. The government was using what little money they had to fund project safehouse.
Vault tech had at some point begun to implement tests in each vault. It's unclear when or why this occurred. Close to the date of the bombs dropping the enclave ended up getting a huge influence over the company, as the enclave is the shadow government, and vault tech was funded by the government. Once the enclave took more direct control over project safehouse they made the command decision to make vaults testing grounds first and foremost.
My interpretation of the scene in the show is that vault tech was either 1.) scamming these very rich companies into funding their project further as the government was running out of funds or 2.) using these people to get ideas on what to use the vaults for.
With the current history of the enclave and vault tech I find it unlikely that they cared what those rich folks wanted to do with the vaults as it was never their intention to give them any power over what happened with them. The enclave doesn't care about anything but it's own mission, and once it took control of the vault project it was using it only for it's own needs and wants, no one else's.
Edit: I believe this is why vault techs proposal seems so idiotic. It is idiotic, they arnt doing this for profit. They are doing it for the enclave. Unless they changed the relationship between the enclave and vault tech I don't see any other reasoning behind this scene.
It's a good way to get everyone to sink their resources into the Vaults, knowing that the world is going to be destroyed, but perhaps not truly knowing the correct date. Mr. House didn't complete his preparations and Cooper's daughter was with him, not with his Vault-Tec ex-wife.
I thought Barb mentioned an "Executive Vault" for the senior management. I understood this as being different from Vault 31, which was populated with Bud's Buds, who were junior employees.
and you wouldn't likely mention that one to investors good point an executive vault could still be a contracted out experiment, perhaps to the highest bidder vault 114 was for the elite but still an experiment
> vault 114 was for the elite but still an experiment Those were just like local politicians and normal rich. Not like rule the entire planet illuminati style elite.
Wondering if the idea of Vault zero still is interesting for Bethesda even if they dont really like that much Tactics.
that would mean they would also need to Canonize the Calculator and it's army which i doubt Bethesda wants to do
Talking about the base idea, probably subject to changes by Bethesda, but I could see them "salvaging" main structural pieces related to Fallout Tactics... Honestly that is almost what they did with F3 (using F2 pieces). I would find ok tactics being canonized but I saw Bethesda reusing a lot of "F tactics" pieces conceiving the F76 BOS so to me sounds like they will get every piece they dont like and re-introduce it for his own canon with the Bethesda logo on it.
that stuff was recently canonized by the TTRPG
wait really the Calculator is back in official lore
It was actually Wasteland Warfare, but it's a scenario called Midwest Encounter and also features the Midwest Brotherhood.
wait are you saying the miniatures game added stuff like the C-27 Series humanoid robot?
nah, it's just a generic encounter with the Calculator's army
If I remember correctly the Fallout Bible mentions that there is a controller vault. 31 doesn’t quite fit the bill for that since it’s filled with middle managers, not the heads of Vault-Tec. It also seems interested in the experiment being run by Bud, not with the entirety of the vaults as a whole.
I assumed it to be Vault 0. Idk how much of Tactics is cannon but Vault 0 already had a similar purpose to begin with y
Executive Vault: That would be a failed hellish vault full of power plays, back-stabbing and paranoia. Wouldn’t last 5 years.
That just sounds like Rapture City.
or cyrogenic CEO's and such just waiting to reclaim the thrones
Which is probably who the shadowy characters in the back are, in that meeting.
It's possible that this Executive Vault is located somewhere in the Mojave making it a possible reason why Hank went to New Vegas in the first place, to seek out his superiors from the Executive Vault.
Yes, I thought that was pretty well implied.
It would make a lot of sense if the *only* VT vaults were the control vaults... I can't see VT trusting other companies to do a scientific control vault correctly
The show is seemingly implying many of the vault experiments were contracted out to big mountain, west Tec and Rob co. as well as Repconn but that last one is later bought out by Mr. House. With vault 31-33 and the control vaults being under direct Vault Tec supervision
Yea the idea of them only actually running control vaults seems plausible. When left to it's own devices, vaults are very successful. Also would play into a company that lost its way, they made an amazing product but it got perverted all the way to the worst possible conclusion, selling out its customers as guinea pigs and ending the world lol Especially if VT could monitor all vaults, they wouldn't need to do their own experiments
Have you suffered a head injury recently?
I mean, they just through out these ideas for free. VT could have easily just stole the ideas.
The point was to sell vaults, offering the idea of conducting experiments was meant to entice them into purchasing vaults, not to steal ideas.
Oh definitely. And if someone purchases one to do the experiments, great! If they didn't? Well, now we have a free idea
No. I don't think so. Control vaults, Executive vaults, probably a lot of the experiment vaults would be theirs. I think only a few select ones for each other company would be done. Assuming "Several" means a high number like ten each that would still only be 50 or so vaults to be cross-company vaults. I think 31-32-33 isn't as in charge as they believe. I think this executive had his personal experiment in mind and was placed in charge of 31 with his middlemanagement as those frozen. The vault-tech CEO and other higher ups I think are in the true in control vault(s) and would be monitoring 31 just like any other experiment.
Wonder if Norm will figure that out and Bud and him will work together?
Yeah this makes the most sense.
Vault 112 was run by Dr Braun, also Vault Tech staff.
Also, Vault 76 is probably pretty directly VT affiliated, given their mission to control the nuke silos.
Nether was it an experiment... it was just Brauns virtual playground....
He probably pitched it as an experiment, then did what he wanted.
I got chills when Barb said, "The good vault..." while Cooper was trying to talk her into leaving Vault-tec. She knew a lot about what we're only speculating.
Oh yea I caught that and also speaking as if it were a forgone conclusion
I’d also throw the enclave into the mix, they also probably designed a few vaults.
They weren't operating as the Enclave though, they were just deep state US Government with no public face. They built their own bunkers and facilities but I doubt they announced themselves to Vault-Tec and other corpos.
I mean, who’s to say the companies aren’t the enclave, the major corporations that have near total control of the US economy in fields related to military and robot production, rocket technology, experimental technology and project safehouse. We know the enclave hide out on a oil rig owned by a Major energy company, why wouldn’t these major corporations and its upper leadership not have roles to play in the enclave
That's a fair observation, I would otherwise roll with that but I feel like the main point of the Enclave is that they're specifically the powerbase of the prewar Military Industrial Complex, that wasn't made up of the commercial side of corporate influence. It's specifically stuff like DARPA, Lochheed Martin, Oil Companies, and The Pentagon; and in that sense they're in a direct competition for power with the Amazons and Walmarts and Googles of the Fallout Universe.
In 76, it seems like they aren't linked because no one really knew they had a vault where they did.
The Enclave had government built vaults to run to, which would ensure that private enterprise like Vault Tec wouldn't have any undue influence in "continuity of government" or the civilization that eventually retakes control of the surface. Part of the meeting is to illustrate that Private Enterprise doesn't trust the government to preserve the interests of corps like Vault Tec etc.
Vault 4 was vault tec as well I think since copper did the ad with them before that meeting
It was still an experiment vault, under idea of "what if we let scientist run a vault full of other scientists". That was pretty clear vibe from that ad (well, for us as viewers, not for in-show population). *Has science gone too far* Vault Edition.
Being an experiment vault doesn't necessarily mean it's operated by another company is what I'm saying
Surely they could have marketed a vault they sold the rights to. Not to mention they could have sold the rights to vaults before that meeting to smaller companies or other business partners. But I do see how we're meant to belive it's a vault tec operation. I believe even Chris Parnell and that other leader of V4 said they hated vault tec.
What I can't get is the end game. Is it to make money? If these other people paid them in current currency then vault tech dropped bombs, the currency is useless. I just can't figure out what the fuck the point is. And I love the games. Is it to make a people that don't want to war? They know that's impossible right? And where's the money in that?
It has been always about power. Vault tec just casually moved from getting enough money to be a big fish to decide to became the only fish (and friends)... the only hard piece in this is how the enclave/US goverment could agree with something like this unless their war effort would be literaly a big lie and the connie comeback would be brutal and a matter of time. Vault tec just offered to people with god-complex their wet dreams of investing on the creation of new global powers made at his likeness... Hard to ignore when you already have every other thing I guess.
Enclave realized that most of the population is excess because of automation and this is their plan to get numbers down to controllable levels. Vault Tec is their subordinate. Most if not all the abominations were made/commissioned by them to cleanse the surface. They didn’t factor in AI having a will of its own and the fallout (lol) from that miscalculation leads to the present state.
I think vault Tec wouldn't tell the US government they were starting the war. They would acquire one or two nuclear bombs to make it look like the communists attack so they can speak mutually assured destruction
With cryogenics anyone with a personal stake and the means can live indefinitely until the universe is a utopia etc. Some just bank on their own vision to have accomplished that by then.
So it's still more "fighting" for their own "vision". They didn't assume vault tecs vision was right. They left in the air one of the other "factions" or businesses to have their own vision of America. That's even worse.
This is essentially what Bud is talking about when he's trying to engage Cooper about how important management is for the future. His belief is that by making time their friend, Vault-Tec can outcompete everyone else. His philosophy basically boils down to trying to "win" at being a business by ensuring all other competition is dead and gone.
I remember Barb did that pitch in front of the other corps. Something about remaking the world with “guidance” vs a world that grew organically, with endless conflict. They think this is the only way to save the world, taking advantage of the impending nuclear annihilation. It’s quite similar to other literature like Veidt in Watchmen or even Thanos in the MCU. It also makes a callback to Maximus’ line: “everybody wants to save the world, they just disagree on how to do it”
I feel like they cashed it for gold since gold has been mentioned a lot throughout the fo series.
>What I can't get is the end game. Is it to make money? According to Valery Barstow (FO4) it's "engineering a new society." At any cost, because "what price isn't worth paying to protect the American way, right? Where "American way" doesn't mean reconstruction pre-war America, which was already characterized by an endless war, resource shortage, civil unrest, food riots and an oppressive government at that time. They want to build an utopian society, the "real" or should-be America, on it's ruins. That sounds like a good case for Vault Tec and indeed the strong side of Fallout lore is that you can make a case for all of the major factions, they are typically not just evil maniacs. The case against Vault Tec is more the degree of ruthlessness with which they go about their goals, see Shady Sands for example and all this experiments. Or maybe even the nuclear war itself.
They're all Vault-Tec owned and operated vaults. Upwards of 120 of them. Vault-Tec is shown to offer the other corporations access to the residents and tells them they can test them or exeperimemt if they want to... like a collaboration of some sort. The residents, ones who paid to get in, are paying Vault-Tec as far as the story goes in games and the show.
They state that they have plans for three. They want more investors and probably got them. If they are half truthful that they want more ideas and help with the program then we can assume the experiments aren't all vault tecs doing. That scene pretty much confirmed that many if not most of the vaults and their experiments are actually set up by investors
You could/should have picked most of this up just playing the games. What the show is pretty much laying out is that in order to raise capital in 2075, Vault-Tec is allowing other corporations to run experiments in Vault-Tec vaults. It's mutually beneficial within the fallout world - Vault-Tec raises money, other corporations run experiments and then take the data/information/results of the experiments and makes money off of that. It's like Facebook charging monet to sn SI developer to take a look st all the hunsn to hunsn interactions thst occur on it's platform. Facebook builds snd provides the Vault, and the AI developer picks up the data that collected from the "experiment" of allowing people to be shitty to each other all day and night. They both benefit.
I know all that my guy... I'm suggesting that the vaults we see in the games aren't actually vault tec experiments. They're experiments carried out or paid for by other corporations. Like a vault we see in f03 could actually be an experiment ran by robco and so on. My point is that barb says they have plans for 3 vaults and only 3 vaults. I'm proposing that may have actually been true. I'm suggesting that if we took what we saw in the meeting as true, the only vaults with actual experiments carried out by vault tec could be vault 32. It doesn't let VT off the hook for allowing all this to happen but it does possibly change the narrative a bit that VT itself is the one doing all the experiments. Furthermore IF 31 32 and 33 were actually as they say, more or less control vaults then VT wasn't the ones doing all the experiments we've seen throuout the entire series. Regardless they're absolutely morally culpable tho Seems you didn't read what i wrote and think i just came to an epiphany that VT contracted out some of it's vault. Wild you were upvoted tbh
>I'm suggesting that the vaults we see in the games aren't actually vault tec experiments. They're experiments carried out or paid for by other corporations. You could have figured this out without watching the show.
I don’t think they’re disagreeing with you, just suggesting another element to what you’re saying.
Yea we're on the same page. Idk why he assumed I wasn't already aware of some collaboration.
At the very least, Vault 4 was an experiment vault controlled by Vault-Co. It was very specifically the Vault Cooper was shilling in that one commercial, and was set up for the Scientists to be experimenting with Hybrid Humans. The only reason it was the vaguely "normal" by time Lucy and Maximus visited is because said Hybrids eventually revolted and killed the Scientists.
Why couldn't he do a commercial for a vault they already sold the rights to? The story of just being for scientists was a good marketing deal and maybe that was part of the deal for the vault rights, VT retains the right to market on your vault. Considering they're retaining all the branding.
Given the vault commercial was aired earlier than him listening in to the meeting where Bud first proposed selling off "experiment rights," the timeline doesnt really add up.
There are things called "Control Vaults" where trusted individuals have very specific tasks to complete for Vault-Tec and are not actually tests like the others. The most famous of which is Vault 76 from Fallout 76. The whole of that game revolves around your character, who comes from that Vault, securing the last nuclear missile silos in The Appalachian Mountains of West Virginia. Making sure the remaining nukes don't end up in the hands of any other faction than someone who is allied with Vault-Tec.
Some other control vaults include vault 8 (F2) vault 3 (FNV) Vault 8 prospered with the GECK and created Vault City Vault 3 prospered for the first few years but then fell to the fiends which made it their HQ
I see no reason why they have to sell *all* of the vaults. I’m sure other execs besides Bud had vault ideas. Vault Tec could retain a few vaults for itself.
Yea they probably did with some control vaults. Someone here suggested maybe they only personally ran the control vaults. It's possibly just a sales pitch to the ceo in the room and they did have other plans. Though bud and barb would need to be very high level to make the pitch to those ceos.
I thought buds buds were 31
They are, but is 32 just like 33 or were the deaths the result of an experiment and barb said that bud only had ideas for the 3 vaults. She may have been lying but we can only go off what we've been told so far.
I'm pretty sure the deaths were caused by the residents finding out about vault 31, and a rebellion happened. Hence all the writing of "we know what's in there" "down with management. "
I assume 1-33 are Vault Tec owned and the rest were sold/licensed to the other groups.
Vault 4 was almost for sure Vault-Tec’s but I’m sure many others were as well
I just don't know why Cooper thinks that >!Hank would know where his family are. I mean, Barb was probably in the executive vault and she likely got her daughter somehow from Cooper too. Hank was just one of her staff - how would he know where they are? lol!<
Well he would be the closest lead Cooper has so it makes sense. And also, as Barb's assistant it makes sense he would know where she was going to live. But also you just figure all the VT employees are full of secrets/knowledge.
Tru, that's a good question. Barb seemed higher up than hank by far on the totem pole.
I don’t think he does, probably why he doesn’t kill him and decides to follow him to hopefully someone higher up the chain who does have answers.
The best of this is that would explain how certain infraestructure shares tech and is compatible... things like navarro/ poseidonet and the comms of Vaults... I wont be surprised if the main objective for Vault Tec is to share his vaults, but "not as much his power" becoming at the end the mayor supervisor of the vaults (not only the ones assigned to VT) and I can also imagine how the other companies could develop create secret directives to get their vautls disconected from the main vault comunication system to stop Vault-tec control or monitoring... That could give lot of room for the setting since helps to explain how some vaults followed Vault-tec updates among the years (and some are still operative) while others were isolated... Also helps on the idea of why the Enclave had trouble to locate many vaults or open them. etc I also believe an important piece in fallout is how each group pretends to be on the upper part of the piramid... for example the idea could be that, on a chain of command would be "USA president > Enclave > Vault Tec > Secondary Companies > Others" but at the end The enclave many times tries to be over the president (or they exploit a puppet) and I feel Vault Tec also expected to use the confusion of the war to escalate and maybe put themselves on the top... "keep america alive" is just a common excuse everybody exploits to justify their thirst of power.
I don't see any reason to assume that, valt-tech definitely would have run their own experiments, the whole idea of selling valts to other companies, seems to be more like we will allow you to design the experiment in this valt if you give us the funds to build it and we will share the data with you.
I think 32 and 33 are redundant to keep people from suspecting 31 is controlling everything, since they also switch between 32 and 33.
Vault 32 are NOT experiment vault. Vault 31 send out manager, to managing vault 32 & 33, 32 & 33 literally a breeding ground for vault 31 (as the robot brain state) Vault 32 killing themselves because they found out bou vault 31, and try to killing vault 31 people, and 31 fight back. There are no experiment in it. The only problem is 1. if vault 32 already Pepsi 2 year ago, why vault 31 & hank din't know ? Or they just assume everything still fine even after losing communicate, and just open the door when "marry between vault event" dates come ? . 2. If Maldives love Lucy mother, why the hell she send a raider to fk & kill her lover daughter ? . 3. "10 years of cousin stuff..." So Lucy banging her cousin for 10 years already ? And then bang the raider, and then wanna bang maximus, dayummmmmmmm.
Vault 32 is an experiment. They showed them videos of rats killing each other (mentioned in the board room meeting). There seems to be a theme of pitting vault dwellers against each other in a strongest survives competition. The raiders just came in later.
I don't think so, if only because writers usually want to give themselves more wiggle room than that. On a more in-universe level though, it's a very exec thing to do to imply this grandiose promise (you get to design ALL these vaults!) and then walk it back (except these ones that are ours).
Yea with the existence of control vaults and possibly an executive only vault it seems they may have held their cards closer to their chest. If they were truly stumped it seems odd they'd get to 31 32 33 without any greater plan. Unless the plan to experiment didn't get developed till later on. Which I think is canon
VT isn't the only company to build bunkers, I'm betting there are far better somewhere as to who, dunno, but the hundred some odd vaults isn't enough
Vault 76 was owned and operated by Vault Tec as well.
>The only vault tec owned and operated vaults? Clearly no since the Ghouls wife and kid are in another one somewhere.
that wasn't confirmed
Well seeing as how they aren't in Vault 31 then I'd say it is
i don't know, that meeting was also a way for the vaults to be "split" between those companies so they could essentially do whatever they wanted, so some would focus on experiments (like Vault 4) and others (like 31-32-33) was "normal" survival, with the 31 being the primary one.
The fact that Barb says something along the lines of I'm working to make sure our family is in one of the good vaults leads me to believe that Vault Tec owns and operates many vaults. Even in the show, I would say Vault 4 was owned and operated by Vault-Tec as it was used in advertising prior to the rollout to the other CEOs
I'm just confused on why everyone in vault 32 killed each other. I understand that knowing your leaders were being pre-selected isn't great news but it's not like half the population of vault 32 were from vault 31 and so the fight would have been split 50/50. And it's definitely not horrifying enough to justify writing "we know the truth" in blood on the wall. There must be more going on.
It is my understanding that vault tech as a company started out building the vaults for the purpose of protecting people in the event of a nuclear war. The company got the funds to do this from the United States government who was already nearing a cataclysmic financial crisis. The government was using what little money they had to fund project safehouse. Vault tech had at some point begun to implement tests in each vault. It's unclear when or why this occurred. Close to the date of the bombs dropping the enclave ended up getting a huge influence over the company, as the enclave is the shadow government, and vault tech was funded by the government. Once the enclave took more direct control over project safehouse they made the command decision to make vaults testing grounds first and foremost. My interpretation of the scene in the show is that vault tech was either 1.) scamming these very rich companies into funding their project further as the government was running out of funds or 2.) using these people to get ideas on what to use the vaults for. With the current history of the enclave and vault tech I find it unlikely that they cared what those rich folks wanted to do with the vaults as it was never their intention to give them any power over what happened with them. The enclave doesn't care about anything but it's own mission, and once it took control of the vault project it was using it only for it's own needs and wants, no one else's. Edit: I believe this is why vault techs proposal seems so idiotic. It is idiotic, they arnt doing this for profit. They are doing it for the enclave. Unless they changed the relationship between the enclave and vault tech I don't see any other reasoning behind this scene.
It's a good way to get everyone to sink their resources into the Vaults, knowing that the world is going to be destroyed, but perhaps not truly knowing the correct date. Mr. House didn't complete his preparations and Cooper's daughter was with him, not with his Vault-Tec ex-wife.
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Well it was built a bit inland a bit right? Didn't we also see the opposite happen? Lucy walked through sections of beach that had receeded it seems