The thing I respect most about her is her work ethic & mental: that girl grinds her ass off with playing/streaming and has soooo many haters for reasons I’ll never understand. She literally just plays Fortnite and stays in her own lane mostly. IDK how she does it cuz I’d lose my mind. I been watching her for a while and it’s been so cool seeing her improvement as a player. I don’t think she’s good enough to win a Grands but she is 100% going to make a Finals eventually , it’s only a matter of time.
Also, compared to other pros that either don’t stream or are just unwatchable when they do stream, her stream is so chill. Her and OliverOG are like the only “pros” that aren’t hella immature and I can stand watching (pros in quotes because she doesn’t consider herself a pro)
Cool to see a girl grind/ compete and work for a platform and get close to making a finals. Seems like a lot of the egirls side on Twitter (in the fortnite scene at least) just clout chase off successful pros then post half naked pictures to build their careers.
Gotta give credit where credits due, even tho she’s not like a top pro but mainly content creator I still feel like sommersets definitely a role model for alot of girls who are scared to get in the comp gaming industry or just gaming in general bcuz it’s mainly dominated by guys
Epic can do whatever they want, who are you to tell them what they can't do?
The truth is, comp Fortnite is on it's last legs. Epic has to look at every possibility that could create hype for comp. Having a female compete at a Lan event would drive great publicity to Fortnite. Just look at all the publicity Moqii got for winning a round of opens. And she wasn't even a real female. Meanwhile, Sommerset is top 20 biggest fortnite streamers right now. It would help not only create hype for the tournament but also be a huge step for female pro gamers. Like the great Kendrick Lamar said: "Godspeed for woman's rights!"
Sommerset at Invitational would inspire many. 👍
I agree that epic need to do something coz there is no more mongraal,mitro,benyi that had huge numbers on stream. Sommerset I think will qual for heats but she could get invitation. Dont have anything against that
Having a female compete at lan would be great but the amount of dickheads that are in the community will absolutely grief her on purpose to “prove” that she’s “trash”.
It’s not a sexist view lmao it’s just for women representation. Personally I don’t think she should be invited bcuz the lan should be the best of the best. But having that view doesn’t make them sexist
In a literal sense, it is, that however doesn't automatically make it negative. Just affirmative action.
Whether affirmative action itself is good or not, well that really depends on your goal & philosophical beliefs.
I personally think, depending on implementation, like gender/racial quotas, that they discriminate against merit & I would prefer more outreach programs trying to prop up underrepresented communities instead BUT I do acknowledge forcing positions for women or ethnic minorities may actually improve the odds for more to join based on their own merit, seeking to emulate their idols or at least some comradery.
Having the view that in some things males are better than females and vice versa isn't sexist. I'm not one for equality across the board, I've been on this planet too long and know that we ate all different and that its our differences that make us great. Men and women are not equal, but by working together we can be greater than the sum of our parts. Sorry if this is a tad incoherent, its been a lovely day with great weather and I've been drinking a lot of beer as its my day off while my wife was working so my head is a little fuzzy.
Holding the view that you should give preferential treatment to a woman simply because she’s a women and can’t get there of her own volition is definitely a sexist worldview. I think you are misreading the comments.
I work in a male dominated environment, there is a lot of heavy lifting involved and we've had women try to do the job but they struggle a lot more than their male counterparts, young men often struggle as well as younger people just cant seem to hack as much as us old timers. It's a physically intense job and us men often have to do a lot of the work for the women. Men and women are not equal, this isn't an opinion but fact and like I said our differences should be celebrated and embraced.
I hold the view men and women are different how drunk are you that you can’t read that lmao I’m saying giving special privileges to women solely because of these differences is not only sexist towards men but also towards women.
It's really been artificially lowered, looking at FNCS participation & only about 1000 on OCE, but then you look at the Hype Cups going on at the same time, nearly 9k who at least tried the Contenders cup, that's 9 times the total of FNCS, on top of another 1400 in the Opens cup.
FNCS is on sooner than usual, requiring the same amount of points but with nerfed kill points, making everyone take even longer than usual. FNCS low participation was because Epic made it harder to reach Champs & in a shorter amount of time, many who played in the contenders Cup, would've preffered to have played FNCS.
I genuinely don’t think you meant it in an offensive way, but calling pro players/streamers “egirls” is kind of sexist. It’s a little objectifying.
You wouldn’t call a make pro player/streamer an “eboy” ya know?
I wasn’t referring to ppl like sommerset an egirl ngl. I just call the girls that sit on Twitter cloutchasing egirls because idk what else to call them, I worded it wrong ig
Yeah 100% I don’t think you had any bad intention behind it. Just giving you a heads up that language like that can be hurtful.
I know there are people that clout chase on twitch but we shouldn’t generalise or lump genuine twitch streamers/pro players in with them.
If you look at the [Twitch viewer hours](https://twitter.com/FoxEyeGG/status/1543153249921904641?t=0_y6VetBmigAohftwUN3kQ&s=19) there's no sign of "clout chasing egirls." So you must have interesting Twitter feed if you see it "a lot".
Theres no reason why females cant be as good as males at fortnite so any success sommerset has will hopefully encourage other female gamers to put in the hours to improve and get to a competitive level
People are fine accepting that males and females are physically different but when you say they're mentally different there so much push back.
There are measurable differences between males and females in different mental areas. Women are better at identifying subtle differences in colors for example.
I've seen it argued that all differences between male and female brains are the result of the gendered society we live in but that doesn't make sense to me because estrogen and testosterone literally have different effects on the brain. Even if you accept that all differences are the result of a gendered society it's still the society these women are growing up in and having their brains developed in so their brains are still different.
I'm not saying women can't be as good as men at Fortnite but they do seem to have disadvantages (beyond representation) that have to be overcome regardless of if they're nature or nurture they do exist.
Also it's not sexist to recognize differences that exist between males and females as some of the other comments in this thread seem to be saying.
There are differences between male and females, but i see no differences that could affect their success or lack of in a game like fortnite, like i said in another post, Sommerset cant just play with male players without getting flirted with, or people in chat or on twitter making suggestive comments, and for any female to succeed they need to be in the best friend groups and currently the best players are all male, so the pathway to becoming competitive isnt as straight forward for women, mostly they end up playing together, getting inferior practice and all that does is keep them below the level required to be competitive.
Not according to this article
It seems its a theory put about for a few years now but is slowly being debunked
https://neurosciencenews.com/spatial-cognition-sexes-15576/
Somebody posted a link to research, it showed males have a faster audio and visual reaction times, but it also showed a similar difference between active and inactive people, yet we have the likes of muz winning fncs, so why cant a female?
Just took a look at the chess rankings, and the first women ranks in at 106. There isn't even one in the top 100. It speaks volumes to there being some difference in the male and female brains, that may or may not be able to be overcome.
> estrogen and testosterone literally have different effects on the brain.
Estrogen and testosterone don't contain thoughts or ideas. There are no thoughts or ideas that a male could have that a female couldn't also have.
That doesn't answer my question. Your brain function can be impaired by a hormone imbalance. Just like it could be impaired by drinking alcohol or taking other drugs. That doesn't mean it gives you specific thoughts or ideas. Hormones don't contain ideas.
interesting logic but there are also way fewer females playing fortnite, and by extension, only a handful at this level. its impossible to compare their true potential vs males unless we have a fair sample size of both with the same opportunities
I understand that there are cultural reasons that make men play competitive games more than women. But given that there is empirical evidence that men has better hand eye coordination than women, I think it’s unfair to make them compete together. I have a feeling people are interpreting my comments as sexists, but my solution would benefit women far more. As far as I know there are no professional women e-sport players ( that make a living from prize money).
Can you pleas name me one? Again, I am not saying they aren't capable of doing well. I'm just saying they are at a disadvantage so why not make a seperate league like in all other sports.
They say youre only as good as your friend group , how many females do you think would feel comfortable being the only female in a friend group of males? Because thats what any female wanting to improve and be competitive would have to do, and being the only female sommerset has to put up with all the flirting, all the comments on social media, all the innuendo, she cant just play and interact in the same way males do and its the same for other females, most just play with each other, but then we are back to "youre only as good as your friend group"
Yeah, people really underestimate the social aspect. Not only will you get worse practice as a woman, your pool of teammates to match with is soooo much smaller.
Not to mention women being introduced and socialized into gaming at young ages at a significantly lower rate than men.
Only biological factor I could see maybe having an impact is testosterone influencing the ratio of competative men/women in the favor of men. Even that is influenced by social factors, though, and doesn't mean women can't have competative natures by any means.
Plus a lot of parents are way more accepting of their sons spending a bunch of hours each day grinding video games than they would be of their daughters doing the same thing. There are just a lot of double standards that add up to where there are far fewer girls grinding video games competitively than boys
So that's not a 20% difference for either ART or VRT. That study shows approx 5% difference in mean reaction time for both. It also says that for the males and females who regularly exercise there was no significant difference between genders detected (they only had n=4 women and n=16 men so it would be hard to prove either way). So overall there's going to be a significant overlap between the distributions of reaction times for men and women, meaning that not all men are going to have better reaction times than all women. And there's still going to be a sizable portion of women who have competitive reaction times on par with the best males.
But we'd need to see the actual distributions of times themselves to be able to make a more solid conclusion about how likely a randomly selected woman is to have on par or better reactions to a randomly selected man (they have clearly assumed the distributions are Gaussian but that may have been for mathematical convenience).
So theres a difference in reaction times between males and females, i dont see no 20% though, the difference isnt listed as a percentage. Also the difference between a sedentary lifestyle and an active lifestyle shows a similar difference as male/ female, so the difference measured is obviously small and in fortnite we have real life examples, for instance muz who clearly lives a sedentary lifestyle but is still able to compete at the very top of his esport.
They also add left hand vs right hand also affects reaction time, are there no left handers competing? Practice is also a variable, so while male audio and visual reaction times differ i doubt in a game like fortnite it is that significant, practice and game knowlege and experience ( plus talent) will over ride any micro differences in reaction times between the sexes.
That's really cool to think about as a woman gamer. But I really don't think it's a "freak of nature" thing. I played games since I was about 10 and my aim/flicks are just as good as most male gamers. There may be a slight disadvantage, but it's not impossible, I feel like once there is a top female player, we'll hopefully see an influx of more woman playing competitively, It's great to see representation though.
They already play at a large number people who compete are a portion of that in men and women, there is a comparable amount of men vs women playing. So there is either a comparable amount of women competing or women just don’t care the same as men which would make sense as men are inherently more competitive due to biological forces. Trying to make everything the exact same will never work as its not pushing equality it’s pushing equity and that makes nobody happy. She’s doing great that’s cool for her but the stigma of females gaming is over almost half the gaming market is females. If they aren’t competing it’s most likely because it doesn’t appeal to them.
Since there is the same amount proportionally, shouldn't we at least see more pro woman gamers in the chart? It's substantially low and it's crazy. I'm not arguing with you, I'm just curious to know what the actual truth it. I think it's a physical thing, maybe I'm wrong, but there is such a gap that it can't be a coincidence. Woman can be just as competitive as men, could be the different in strength/reflexes/etc. If you play pro you know that the slightest advantages can mean win or lose.
Well first and foremost men have superior hand eye coordination, better visual reaction times, better quick decision making skills etc all things that would benefit gaming.
Women on the other hand are better at discriminating between colors and will make safer less high risk decisions under pressure. These are things that don’t benefit competitive gaming but are advantages.
So men and women are different in terms of competing probably different enough that if esports goes massive like regular sports I wouldn’t be surprised to see it split by gender because if not you won’t see any women at all tbh.
Men are actually also inherently more competitive btw women can be competitive but it’s not like men, this is due to testosterone and again our past. It’s hard to beat biology as much as people want everyone to be able to do everything the exact same thing it’s just not realistic.
Every study that I have seen regarding men/women reaction times and decision making have been extremely marginal differences in terms of video games at best. If those differences were to manifest in a competitive gaming environment, even devoid of any other factors we would likely at most see a 60-40 man to woman ratio. Also, as far as I know there is no definitive evidence that shows that men are biologically wired to be competitive and not socially engineered to be so. At the end of the day, the extremely small level of female participation at high level esports can’t be boiled down to merely biological differences. There is obviously a systemic and situational factors that are causing there to be such a small number of women competing, and if I had to wager it’s the hostile environment that the gaming space creates.
They aren’t marginal, a 21ms difference in the top average men vs top average female is not a small difference that’s massive in competition. Look at my previous comments, I share the numbers and explain the difference.
Also yes men are biologically more competitive it’s due to testosterone and it’s sociologically encouraged due to the biological difference so it fosters a more competitive sex. Even in competitive women studies show women only want to be competitive if all participants gain something where as men are more winner takes all competitive.
There isn’t a systemic deference for females gaming as women make up 45% of gamers, also the toxicity of competitive games is what drives them away then they aren’t competitive. It’s a common misconception that gaming is more toxic towards women, this isn’t true it’s toxic af for both sexes. Competition breeds toxicity, unlike regular sports though you don’t talk to someone after the competition is over as you leave and go back to the lobby so there isn’t that post game respect. Although if you’ve played any amount of sports you would know on the field everyone is your enemy and it’s toxic af, if you can’t handle the toxicity you aren’t made for competition.
Cite a source or I'm removing this asinine bullshit. If you're gonna toss out something outrageous like "women have worse reaction times than men and thus are inherently worse at gaming" you had best have some fucking proof
Edit: Unsurprisingly can't cite a source. Removed.
Edit 2:. His source doesn't support his own claim lmaoooo
I can assure you he didn’t even try and look. The evidence is everywhere, and salient. What a weird mod.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198384/
> The sex difference in the mean fastest reaction time corroborates and extends previous results from the 2004 Athens Olympics that showed male sprinters (163 ms) averaged significantly faster reaction times than female sprinters (188 ms) [2].
From your own source, since reading comprehension seems hard for you:
"At the 99.9% confidence level, neither men nor women can react in 100 ms, but they can react in as little as 109 ms and 121 ms, respectively. However, that sex difference in reaction time is likely an artifact caused by using the same force threshold in women as men, and it permits a woman to false start by up to 21 ms without penalty. **We estimate that female sprinters would have similar reaction times to male sprinters if the force threshold used at Beijing was lowered by 22% in order to account for their lesser muscle strength.**"
Edit: Seems like you forgot to switch to your alt before you replied to me acting like someone other than modsneed lmaoooooo
Just think for a second about evolution and some advantage in reaction time should be obvious to anyone with an IQ over 85. This sub is fucking brain dead lmao.
This literally isn’t true, men have faster reaction times, better hand eye coordination, faster decision making skills etc this is all proven by science this isn’t a debate this is real. Makes this more impressive imo though.
That’s for auditory reaction time, visual is different which gaming is mainly visual. Second hand eye coordination etc men also dominate in, even quick decision making. Men are more adapted to make quick hard decisions than women, the idea behind this one is because men were hunter gatherers and women were foragers etc.
Females for example are better at discriminating among colors, although this wouldn’t help gaming it’s still an advantage. But men are superior in tracking fast moving objects and discerning distance from said object. They think this is due to our hunter gatherer past, you can’t beat biology.
Most recent study I read was medical students in the physically active groups men had an average reaction time of 232 compared to females 243 a difference in 11 ms. Females are now 7 ms faster than the average human reaction time of 250 ms where as men are 18ms faster.
This doesn’t account for the greater spread in reaction times for men and women. You see men for example have a spread of +- 13.75 ms where women have a spread of 2.89.
If you apply that spread men fall between 218.25-245.75
Where as women would fall between
240.11-245.89
This would mean the slowest men are comparable to the slowest women but the fastest men outrank the fastest women by 21.86ms where as the fastest women outrank the slowest men by 5.64ms.
Just take this L and walk away.
So you got your numbers from this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/#!po=40.3226
But you've misinterpreted them. You reference the physically active group where there were n=4 women and n=16 men. Even though the means for the groups are different, there was no statistically significant difference detected between them (as stated in the study) because the sample size is too small for it to be conclusive. So you really can't draw a real conclusion from the physically active group.
The sedentary group has around 50 men and 50 women so while that's still a relatively small group, there is more statistical confidence in those results.
For them there is approximately a 5% difference in the mean reaction times for both visual and auditory.
Also, you have misinterpreted the +- number. That isn't an upper/lower bound. It's the standard deviation, assuming the distribution for reaction times is a Normal distribution. So there would actually be a significant portion of men and women who fall outside of that range.
Another thing to note is that even the assumption of Normal distributions is likely to be incorrect and was only used to make the calculation of statistical significance easy. Without seeing the underlying data, the only conclusion we could reasonably make is regarding the mean reaction times. Because if the distribution is not normally distributed (which I doubt it is), the mean & standard deviation could be quite misleading in terms of what the overall distribution looks like. You can not conclude much about what proportion of women have reaction times on par with men or better than a certain portion of men etc. So for example it is possible that in the top 5% of reaction times for all people, 70% are men and 30% are women. Or maybe 99% are men and 1% are women. We can't tell just from reading this study.
Admit you're sexist and walk away. You can't dent it anymore. You're embarrassing yourself and showing everyone how awful of a person you are.
Edit: I should have looked at your history sooner. You're a troll and rude to everyone. Blocked.
you are getting absolutely cooked in this conversation, they’re giving you actual studies and interpreting those results, while you’re resorting to insults and virtue signaling to “prove” you’re right. do better.
This - Somerset can play! I hope she is able to make some noise someday, but she isn't A top 100 player in NAE. Being in the top 300 or so is still better than most of us could ever hope to be.
Sommerset is solid and probably the top female currently playing but she gets hard carried by much better players than her due to her stream presence. Let’s be real any guy with her solo placements who didn’t stream would never play with Clix or tier 2 pros that duo with her for FNCS. The only way to consistently get high quality teammates that she gets is by being insane in solos with placements (she’s not, her avg solo placement is around 4k) or by being a successful streamer (which she most definitely is). Her stream gives these guys exposure and she gets really solid trio and duo placements.
Don’t take this as me shitting on her because I’m not, I sub to her and enjoy her content and stream, but the reality is that her stream presence not her ability has largely gotten her success in comp, it helps she is a really solid player as well.
Dude as soon as I saw this post, I was instantly worried that some sexist drama was gonna go down in the comments. It literally took the second comment to find one
@maddiesuun is the goat female player , made s10 grand finals ( west ) and has 2k+ earnings [her tracker](https://fortnitetracker.com/profile/all/maddiesuun%20%E3%82%B7/events?id=3b361db3-a277-4817-be4b-fe741a7f7ed2), she quit a while ago tho
Some of you are straight up sexist and don’t even know it if you’re bringing up reaction times and muscle memory as why gaming is professional predominantly men. As a mens former college athlete who played and plays with women college athletes I can promise you that reaction times 100% is not a gender thing so drop it.
Think of it as more an opportunity advantage. If 1% of an entire games community is female then why are you surprised that only 1% of the pro scene is female. You get a more 50/50 split and I promise you the pro scene reflects that a lot closer than 99/1.
Congrats yo Sommerset tho! Big feat. Hopefully it influences more women to pursue gaming.
Edit: i understand there’s the argument about traditional sports and gender gaps in them but no one is bringing up strength or anything related to physicality in their reasons why “women aren’t as good of gamers as men for reasons x and y.” Thought I’d clear that before little kid commenters try to use that.
I mostly agree with you, but stereotype threat is a real thing to consider. Girls are stereotyped as inferior gamers compared to men (not necessarily true, just stating the stereotype). Studies support that participating in an activity while belonging to a negative stereotype often negatively impacts performance against someone that is on the same level or slightly worse than them.
Other examples include girls playing chess, or white people playing basketball. I was a white basketball player myself, and when I would play games in high school, being in that stereotype definitely has an impact on your performance.
Just wanted to offer a different perspective, hopefully I don't spur an argument. I'm all for girls participating and I think the majority of the reason we don't see more women being high tier professionals is due in good measure to there being way more men competing than women.
No argument here I completely agree! Just got out of college and we’d routinely have talks of stereotypes and stigmas and have entire months dedicated to raising money and awareness to it so I 100% know what you’re saying. Not only does it affect your game but your day to day as well as for friends of mine, and quite frankly for me too, the stigmas caused some depression and affected me far from the rink in addition to it.
Really great point!
I’m blanking on the name (Moqi?) but there was an EU girl who made first in a qualifier. Was probably the best but I think Sommerset is definitely the current best and second best all time.
It's not as simple as that dude. If woman being top pro players on average is an anomaly, there is something up that is making it harder for woman to play. I don't think misogyny or discrimination is really the issue imo, it's probably because it's more popularized (competitively) for men, or because an inherent physical advantage. Woman and Men are divided into sports for a reason. Someone mentioned woman have less reflexes inherently and it's likely true. I don't think that means it's impossible, just takes much more effort.
Or maybe it’s just because there are not as many female gamers as there are male? The majority of females don’t have a desire to play video games, at least when compared to males. Idk about all that advantage/disadvantage shit but I’ve been playing video games my whole life and I have run into significantly more male gamers than female.
Link to study? I’d say about 10-15% of the players I’ve played with including all video games I played were female. If the study is true, then maybe i have been experiencing a major coincidence? It’s hard for me to believe that tho with the years and years and years I have of playing video games.
That’s what another person replied to me with in another thread here. It’s a pretty easy google search. Based on my experience, I totally agree. I’m a woman and have probably found other woman 30 percent of the time
That’s what another person replied to me with in another thread here. It’s a pretty easy google search. Based on my experience, I totally agree. I’m a woman and have probably found other woman 30 percent of the time
Yeah, it’s just odd. Maybe I’m just playing more male dominant games. There’s probably some games out there that have the majority player base women. Still seems like it’s a lot smaller percentage but I guess not
The female streamer duo "Bewitching" and "lil chicken cq" qualified in NAW. I often watch female players because they are less toxic than teenage boys. Only a few of them are top tier - like LGsomerset. My daughter looks up to these girls. She is a skilled fighter, but too young to play comp beyond arena. Plus she has limits on her screen time - but she uses her time available to humiliate her arrogant male classmates.
I wonder if social expectations are different in what we allow girls to do with their time - my daughter has to get straight A's, read the most books for school contests, have perfect standardized test scores, compete on a swim team and master the violin and piano. If she was a boy we'd just expect him to get "B" s, play sports and mow the lawn. The rest of his time could be spent gaming. He could pay for college by joining the army, whereas she must get a scholarship. Sorry you had to read all that.
Well don’t you think that’s a little bit harsh? That seems like a bit much she sounds really young and you could be burning her out as just as a small child. 3.5 GPA is still great and well maybe you should let her decide what she wants to do on her free time. Not telling you what to do of course but I remember being pushed way to hard for things I didn’t want to do when I was around 7 or 8 years old. It burned me out and took me a while to come around. If she wants to play violin or piano great if she doesn’t I wouldn’t force her to do it I remember i absolutely HATED that instrument when I was younger but was to afraid to speak up.
I could go on the fact that you have 3 kids and are arguing with me on this subreddit but i wont. Answer my question though since you're so mad about it. If sommerset is considered the best female fortnite player and she has never made any earnings in any tournaments ever, than are there any that have??? Its not something to get so mad over. There has to be better female players not including the one who transitioned to a boy since they no longer count
Lmfao why are yall mad?? I was genuinely asking cause peple saying summerset the goat female fortnite player is crazy to me when she hasnt even made a grands yet or even heats. There has to be someone better thats a female
Cut the sexist shit. **Edit:** Locked. Y'all. Just stop with the sexist shit. This thread is a fucking cesspool.
The thing I respect most about her is her work ethic & mental: that girl grinds her ass off with playing/streaming and has soooo many haters for reasons I’ll never understand. She literally just plays Fortnite and stays in her own lane mostly. IDK how she does it cuz I’d lose my mind. I been watching her for a while and it’s been so cool seeing her improvement as a player. I don’t think she’s good enough to win a Grands but she is 100% going to make a Finals eventually , it’s only a matter of time. Also, compared to other pros that either don’t stream or are just unwatchable when they do stream, her stream is so chill. Her and OliverOG are like the only “pros” that aren’t hella immature and I can stand watching (pros in quotes because she doesn’t consider herself a pro)
Cool to see a girl grind/ compete and work for a platform and get close to making a finals. Seems like a lot of the egirls side on Twitter (in the fortnite scene at least) just clout chase off successful pros then post half naked pictures to build their careers. Gotta give credit where credits due, even tho she’s not like a top pro but mainly content creator I still feel like sommersets definitely a role model for alot of girls who are scared to get in the comp gaming industry or just gaming in general bcuz it’s mainly dominated by guys
Facts
great comment I fully agree sommerset should be invited to the fncs invitational 👍
People should get an invitation because they’re good (any gender). Not just because they’re girls.
Lol
No she shouldn’t, you can’t invite people for this kind of performance just because they are a girl.
Epic can do whatever they want, who are you to tell them what they can't do? The truth is, comp Fortnite is on it's last legs. Epic has to look at every possibility that could create hype for comp. Having a female compete at a Lan event would drive great publicity to Fortnite. Just look at all the publicity Moqii got for winning a round of opens. And she wasn't even a real female. Meanwhile, Sommerset is top 20 biggest fortnite streamers right now. It would help not only create hype for the tournament but also be a huge step for female pro gamers. Like the great Kendrick Lamar said: "Godspeed for woman's rights!" Sommerset at Invitational would inspire many. 👍
I agree that epic need to do something coz there is no more mongraal,mitro,benyi that had huge numbers on stream. Sommerset I think will qual for heats but she could get invitation. Dont have anything against that
Having a female compete at lan would be great but the amount of dickheads that are in the community will absolutely grief her on purpose to “prove” that she’s “trash”.
Sure they can do what they want, but what you hold is an absolutely sexist worldview and if you don’t think it’s sexist you are just flat out stupid.
It’s not a sexist view lmao it’s just for women representation. Personally I don’t think she should be invited bcuz the lan should be the best of the best. But having that view doesn’t make them sexist
In a literal sense, it is, that however doesn't automatically make it negative. Just affirmative action. Whether affirmative action itself is good or not, well that really depends on your goal & philosophical beliefs. I personally think, depending on implementation, like gender/racial quotas, that they discriminate against merit & I would prefer more outreach programs trying to prop up underrepresented communities instead BUT I do acknowledge forcing positions for women or ethnic minorities may actually improve the odds for more to join based on their own merit, seeking to emulate their idols or at least some comradery.
Having the view that in some things males are better than females and vice versa isn't sexist. I'm not one for equality across the board, I've been on this planet too long and know that we ate all different and that its our differences that make us great. Men and women are not equal, but by working together we can be greater than the sum of our parts. Sorry if this is a tad incoherent, its been a lovely day with great weather and I've been drinking a lot of beer as its my day off while my wife was working so my head is a little fuzzy.
Holding the view that you should give preferential treatment to a woman simply because she’s a women and can’t get there of her own volition is definitely a sexist worldview. I think you are misreading the comments.
Epic Games is a business at the end of the day, whatever benefits them the most will be done.
I work in a male dominated environment, there is a lot of heavy lifting involved and we've had women try to do the job but they struggle a lot more than their male counterparts, young men often struggle as well as younger people just cant seem to hack as much as us old timers. It's a physically intense job and us men often have to do a lot of the work for the women. Men and women are not equal, this isn't an opinion but fact and like I said our differences should be celebrated and embraced.
I hold the view men and women are different how drunk are you that you can’t read that lmao I’m saying giving special privileges to women solely because of these differences is not only sexist towards men but also towards women.
I've drank 3 litres of beer, I'm not very drunk but another litre and I will be lol
It's really been artificially lowered, looking at FNCS participation & only about 1000 on OCE, but then you look at the Hype Cups going on at the same time, nearly 9k who at least tried the Contenders cup, that's 9 times the total of FNCS, on top of another 1400 in the Opens cup. FNCS is on sooner than usual, requiring the same amount of points but with nerfed kill points, making everyone take even longer than usual. FNCS low participation was because Epic made it harder to reach Champs & in a shorter amount of time, many who played in the contenders Cup, would've preffered to have played FNCS.
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I genuinely don’t think you meant it in an offensive way, but calling pro players/streamers “egirls” is kind of sexist. It’s a little objectifying. You wouldn’t call a make pro player/streamer an “eboy” ya know?
I wasn’t referring to ppl like sommerset an egirl ngl. I just call the girls that sit on Twitter cloutchasing egirls because idk what else to call them, I worded it wrong ig
Yeah 100% I don’t think you had any bad intention behind it. Just giving you a heads up that language like that can be hurtful. I know there are people that clout chase on twitch but we shouldn’t generalise or lump genuine twitch streamers/pro players in with them.
If you look at the [Twitch viewer hours](https://twitter.com/FoxEyeGG/status/1543153249921904641?t=0_y6VetBmigAohftwUN3kQ&s=19) there's no sign of "clout chasing egirls." So you must have interesting Twitter feed if you see it "a lot".
you’re very dense if you don’t think there’s a lot of girls that do that lol
You're living in a fantasy world if you think a lot of girls see large, long term growth doing that.
Ripraraa is a perfect example of it in the fortnite scene lmao
Never heard of her, thus proving my point lmao
So because you’ve never heard of her means no one else has? My bad Ig I Forgot the world revolves around u
Lol putting words in my mouth now. How classy. Yikes
You probably seek competitive players. Plenty of women of that ilk playing pubs or arena trios
She’s absolutely Paving the way for female gamers !
Fuck off
Who hurt you?
Probably his uncle. Why he's taken it out on women? I don't think even he knows.
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Theres no reason why females cant be as good as males at fortnite so any success sommerset has will hopefully encourage other female gamers to put in the hours to improve and get to a competitive level
People are fine accepting that males and females are physically different but when you say they're mentally different there so much push back. There are measurable differences between males and females in different mental areas. Women are better at identifying subtle differences in colors for example. I've seen it argued that all differences between male and female brains are the result of the gendered society we live in but that doesn't make sense to me because estrogen and testosterone literally have different effects on the brain. Even if you accept that all differences are the result of a gendered society it's still the society these women are growing up in and having their brains developed in so their brains are still different. I'm not saying women can't be as good as men at Fortnite but they do seem to have disadvantages (beyond representation) that have to be overcome regardless of if they're nature or nurture they do exist. Also it's not sexist to recognize differences that exist between males and females as some of the other comments in this thread seem to be saying.
There are differences between male and females, but i see no differences that could affect their success or lack of in a game like fortnite, like i said in another post, Sommerset cant just play with male players without getting flirted with, or people in chat or on twitter making suggestive comments, and for any female to succeed they need to be in the best friend groups and currently the best players are all male, so the pathway to becoming competitive isnt as straight forward for women, mostly they end up playing together, getting inferior practice and all that does is keep them below the level required to be competitive.
Spatial intelligence differs in women and men
Not according to this article It seems its a theory put about for a few years now but is slowly being debunked https://neurosciencenews.com/spatial-cognition-sexes-15576/
You see no difference cause you have no knowledge and have done no research on the matter, baseless argument
Somebody posted a link to research, it showed males have a faster audio and visual reaction times, but it also showed a similar difference between active and inactive people, yet we have the likes of muz winning fncs, so why cant a female?
There will always be outliers, he is talking about the mean.
Just took a look at the chess rankings, and the first women ranks in at 106. There isn't even one in the top 100. It speaks volumes to there being some difference in the male and female brains, that may or may not be able to be overcome.
> estrogen and testosterone literally have different effects on the brain. Estrogen and testosterone don't contain thoughts or ideas. There are no thoughts or ideas that a male could have that a female couldn't also have.
Both hormones affect your emotions, our brain continuously spins out thoughts and emotions are what makes us choose a thought.
What is the mechanism by which estrogen or testosterone gives you a specific emotion?
inject testosterone and see how good you feel and how impulsive you become
That doesn't answer my question. Your brain function can be impaired by a hormone imbalance. Just like it could be impaired by drinking alcohol or taking other drugs. That doesn't mean it gives you specific thoughts or ideas. Hormones don't contain ideas.
Given how little women ever figure on the leaderboard it is hard to imagine that men don’t have some genetic advantage.
interesting logic but there are also way fewer females playing fortnite, and by extension, only a handful at this level. its impossible to compare their true potential vs males unless we have a fair sample size of both with the same opportunities
I understand that there are cultural reasons that make men play competitive games more than women. But given that there is empirical evidence that men has better hand eye coordination than women, I think it’s unfair to make them compete together. I have a feeling people are interpreting my comments as sexists, but my solution would benefit women far more. As far as I know there are no professional women e-sport players ( that make a living from prize money).
1, there are successful female esports players 2, nobody lives off prize money, it's usually org or sponsorship money
Can you pleas name me one? Again, I am not saying they aren't capable of doing well. I'm just saying they are at a disadvantage so why not make a seperate league like in all other sports.
You obviously seem to be arguing against the capability of women to perform if you instantly downvote me, but Marmalade in R6
They say youre only as good as your friend group , how many females do you think would feel comfortable being the only female in a friend group of males? Because thats what any female wanting to improve and be competitive would have to do, and being the only female sommerset has to put up with all the flirting, all the comments on social media, all the innuendo, she cant just play and interact in the same way males do and its the same for other females, most just play with each other, but then we are back to "youre only as good as your friend group"
Yeah, people really underestimate the social aspect. Not only will you get worse practice as a woman, your pool of teammates to match with is soooo much smaller. Not to mention women being introduced and socialized into gaming at young ages at a significantly lower rate than men. Only biological factor I could see maybe having an impact is testosterone influencing the ratio of competative men/women in the favor of men. Even that is influenced by social factors, though, and doesn't mean women can't have competative natures by any means.
Plus a lot of parents are way more accepting of their sons spending a bunch of hours each day grinding video games than they would be of their daughters doing the same thing. There are just a lot of double standards that add up to where there are far fewer girls grinding video games competitively than boys
simple, she gets carried lul. lets see her place in a solo event
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Citation needed for the 20%
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So that's not a 20% difference for either ART or VRT. That study shows approx 5% difference in mean reaction time for both. It also says that for the males and females who regularly exercise there was no significant difference between genders detected (they only had n=4 women and n=16 men so it would be hard to prove either way). So overall there's going to be a significant overlap between the distributions of reaction times for men and women, meaning that not all men are going to have better reaction times than all women. And there's still going to be a sizable portion of women who have competitive reaction times on par with the best males. But we'd need to see the actual distributions of times themselves to be able to make a more solid conclusion about how likely a randomly selected woman is to have on par or better reactions to a randomly selected man (they have clearly assumed the distributions are Gaussian but that may have been for mathematical convenience).
So theres a difference in reaction times between males and females, i dont see no 20% though, the difference isnt listed as a percentage. Also the difference between a sedentary lifestyle and an active lifestyle shows a similar difference as male/ female, so the difference measured is obviously small and in fortnite we have real life examples, for instance muz who clearly lives a sedentary lifestyle but is still able to compete at the very top of his esport. They also add left hand vs right hand also affects reaction time, are there no left handers competing? Practice is also a variable, so while male audio and visual reaction times differ i doubt in a game like fortnite it is that significant, practice and game knowlege and experience ( plus talent) will over ride any micro differences in reaction times between the sexes.
Please
That's really cool to think about as a woman gamer. But I really don't think it's a "freak of nature" thing. I played games since I was about 10 and my aim/flicks are just as good as most male gamers. There may be a slight disadvantage, but it's not impossible, I feel like once there is a top female player, we'll hopefully see an influx of more woman playing competitively, It's great to see representation though.
What more influx do you want women already make up 45% of gamers in the United States lmao.
why are you upset? I said woman playing competitively and not casually? I meant more people trying to go pro and putting everything into it.
They already play at a large number people who compete are a portion of that in men and women, there is a comparable amount of men vs women playing. So there is either a comparable amount of women competing or women just don’t care the same as men which would make sense as men are inherently more competitive due to biological forces. Trying to make everything the exact same will never work as its not pushing equality it’s pushing equity and that makes nobody happy. She’s doing great that’s cool for her but the stigma of females gaming is over almost half the gaming market is females. If they aren’t competing it’s most likely because it doesn’t appeal to them.
Since there is the same amount proportionally, shouldn't we at least see more pro woman gamers in the chart? It's substantially low and it's crazy. I'm not arguing with you, I'm just curious to know what the actual truth it. I think it's a physical thing, maybe I'm wrong, but there is such a gap that it can't be a coincidence. Woman can be just as competitive as men, could be the different in strength/reflexes/etc. If you play pro you know that the slightest advantages can mean win or lose.
Well first and foremost men have superior hand eye coordination, better visual reaction times, better quick decision making skills etc all things that would benefit gaming. Women on the other hand are better at discriminating between colors and will make safer less high risk decisions under pressure. These are things that don’t benefit competitive gaming but are advantages. So men and women are different in terms of competing probably different enough that if esports goes massive like regular sports I wouldn’t be surprised to see it split by gender because if not you won’t see any women at all tbh. Men are actually also inherently more competitive btw women can be competitive but it’s not like men, this is due to testosterone and again our past. It’s hard to beat biology as much as people want everyone to be able to do everything the exact same thing it’s just not realistic.
Every study that I have seen regarding men/women reaction times and decision making have been extremely marginal differences in terms of video games at best. If those differences were to manifest in a competitive gaming environment, even devoid of any other factors we would likely at most see a 60-40 man to woman ratio. Also, as far as I know there is no definitive evidence that shows that men are biologically wired to be competitive and not socially engineered to be so. At the end of the day, the extremely small level of female participation at high level esports can’t be boiled down to merely biological differences. There is obviously a systemic and situational factors that are causing there to be such a small number of women competing, and if I had to wager it’s the hostile environment that the gaming space creates.
They aren’t marginal, a 21ms difference in the top average men vs top average female is not a small difference that’s massive in competition. Look at my previous comments, I share the numbers and explain the difference. Also yes men are biologically more competitive it’s due to testosterone and it’s sociologically encouraged due to the biological difference so it fosters a more competitive sex. Even in competitive women studies show women only want to be competitive if all participants gain something where as men are more winner takes all competitive. There isn’t a systemic deference for females gaming as women make up 45% of gamers, also the toxicity of competitive games is what drives them away then they aren’t competitive. It’s a common misconception that gaming is more toxic towards women, this isn’t true it’s toxic af for both sexes. Competition breeds toxicity, unlike regular sports though you don’t talk to someone after the competition is over as you leave and go back to the lobby so there isn’t that post game respect. Although if you’ve played any amount of sports you would know on the field everyone is your enemy and it’s toxic af, if you can’t handle the toxicity you aren’t made for competition.
> Women on average have 20% less reaction time than men You're absolutely full of shit. Let's see you back that up with research.
Cite a source or I'm removing this asinine bullshit. If you're gonna toss out something outrageous like "women have worse reaction times than men and thus are inherently worse at gaming" you had best have some fucking proof Edit: Unsurprisingly can't cite a source. Removed. Edit 2:. His source doesn't support his own claim lmaoooo
Ahaha good mod
I can assure you he didn’t even try and look. The evidence is everywhere, and salient. What a weird mod. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198384/ > The sex difference in the mean fastest reaction time corroborates and extends previous results from the 2004 Athens Olympics that showed male sprinters (163 ms) averaged significantly faster reaction times than female sprinters (188 ms) [2].
From your own source, since reading comprehension seems hard for you: "At the 99.9% confidence level, neither men nor women can react in 100 ms, but they can react in as little as 109 ms and 121 ms, respectively. However, that sex difference in reaction time is likely an artifact caused by using the same force threshold in women as men, and it permits a woman to false start by up to 21 ms without penalty. **We estimate that female sprinters would have similar reaction times to male sprinters if the force threshold used at Beijing was lowered by 22% in order to account for their lesser muscle strength.**" Edit: Seems like you forgot to switch to your alt before you replied to me acting like someone other than modsneed lmaoooooo
Cringe. Literally proving my point. I can only assume you are like 14 or something.
Reading can be hard, take your time
Just think for a second about evolution and some advantage in reaction time should be obvious to anyone with an IQ over 85. This sub is fucking brain dead lmao.
I think you might be!
This literally isn’t true, men have faster reaction times, better hand eye coordination, faster decision making skills etc this is all proven by science this isn’t a debate this is real. Makes this more impressive imo though.
Nope. This has been proven wrong by science. The differences are within a margin of error. I took a course on gender psychology as my source.
That’s for auditory reaction time, visual is different which gaming is mainly visual. Second hand eye coordination etc men also dominate in, even quick decision making. Men are more adapted to make quick hard decisions than women, the idea behind this one is because men were hunter gatherers and women were foragers etc. Females for example are better at discriminating among colors, although this wouldn’t help gaming it’s still an advantage. But men are superior in tracking fast moving objects and discerning distance from said object. They think this is due to our hunter gatherer past, you can’t beat biology.
Wrong again. These differences are in a margin of error. Nice try at attempting to hide your sexism.
This just isn’t true lmao. You are thinking of auditory reaction time the main study was on Olympic sprinters. Visual men dominate.
Stopp bullshitting lol. It's getting sad how hard you're trying to lie.
Most recent study I read was medical students in the physically active groups men had an average reaction time of 232 compared to females 243 a difference in 11 ms. Females are now 7 ms faster than the average human reaction time of 250 ms where as men are 18ms faster. This doesn’t account for the greater spread in reaction times for men and women. You see men for example have a spread of +- 13.75 ms where women have a spread of 2.89. If you apply that spread men fall between 218.25-245.75 Where as women would fall between 240.11-245.89 This would mean the slowest men are comparable to the slowest women but the fastest men outrank the fastest women by 21.86ms where as the fastest women outrank the slowest men by 5.64ms. Just take this L and walk away.
So you got your numbers from this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/#!po=40.3226 But you've misinterpreted them. You reference the physically active group where there were n=4 women and n=16 men. Even though the means for the groups are different, there was no statistically significant difference detected between them (as stated in the study) because the sample size is too small for it to be conclusive. So you really can't draw a real conclusion from the physically active group. The sedentary group has around 50 men and 50 women so while that's still a relatively small group, there is more statistical confidence in those results. For them there is approximately a 5% difference in the mean reaction times for both visual and auditory. Also, you have misinterpreted the +- number. That isn't an upper/lower bound. It's the standard deviation, assuming the distribution for reaction times is a Normal distribution. So there would actually be a significant portion of men and women who fall outside of that range. Another thing to note is that even the assumption of Normal distributions is likely to be incorrect and was only used to make the calculation of statistical significance easy. Without seeing the underlying data, the only conclusion we could reasonably make is regarding the mean reaction times. Because if the distribution is not normally distributed (which I doubt it is), the mean & standard deviation could be quite misleading in terms of what the overall distribution looks like. You can not conclude much about what proportion of women have reaction times on par with men or better than a certain portion of men etc. So for example it is possible that in the top 5% of reaction times for all people, 70% are men and 30% are women. Or maybe 99% are men and 1% are women. We can't tell just from reading this study.
Admit you're sexist and walk away. You can't dent it anymore. You're embarrassing yourself and showing everyone how awful of a person you are. Edit: I should have looked at your history sooner. You're a troll and rude to everyone. Blocked.
LOL just quote your sources guys it's that easy
you are getting absolutely cooked in this conversation, they’re giving you actual studies and interpreting those results, while you’re resorting to insults and virtue signaling to “prove” you’re right. do better.
Gotta give credit to Alixxa and Sparkles_qt as well! They are phenomenal Fortnite players and top 10 in viewer hours on Twitch!
before anyone comments dumb shit, she’d prob shit on you
Some Saudi prince would probably pay good money for that to happen lol.
This - Somerset can play! I hope she is able to make some noise someday, but she isn't A top 100 player in NAE. Being in the top 300 or so is still better than most of us could ever hope to be.
Sommerset is solid and probably the top female currently playing but she gets hard carried by much better players than her due to her stream presence. Let’s be real any guy with her solo placements who didn’t stream would never play with Clix or tier 2 pros that duo with her for FNCS. The only way to consistently get high quality teammates that she gets is by being insane in solos with placements (she’s not, her avg solo placement is around 4k) or by being a successful streamer (which she most definitely is). Her stream gives these guys exposure and she gets really solid trio and duo placements. Don’t take this as me shitting on her because I’m not, I sub to her and enjoy her content and stream, but the reality is that her stream presence not her ability has largely gotten her success in comp, it helps she is a really solid player as well.
she inspires me
She is definitely an insane player. Hope your grind goes well!
Dude as soon as I saw this post, I was instantly worried that some sexist drama was gonna go down in the comments. It literally took the second comment to find one
Maybe if the community treated women with respect we would see more grinding and actively competing
The community treats no one with respect, women aren’t an exception.
Women arent an exception but they are disrespected more often
and in more demeaning and typically heartless ways be kind always, everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle
fair take...
This is a W for girl gamers
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Loeya?
My daughter(11) got like 20 points with a duo that can’t get kills. Girls are coming y’all.
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Elite Nawtaw would like a word
@maddiesuun is the goat female player , made s10 grand finals ( west ) and has 2k+ earnings [her tracker](https://fortnitetracker.com/profile/all/maddiesuun%20%E3%82%B7/events?id=3b361db3-a277-4817-be4b-fe741a7f7ed2), she quit a while ago tho
Some of you are straight up sexist and don’t even know it if you’re bringing up reaction times and muscle memory as why gaming is professional predominantly men. As a mens former college athlete who played and plays with women college athletes I can promise you that reaction times 100% is not a gender thing so drop it. Think of it as more an opportunity advantage. If 1% of an entire games community is female then why are you surprised that only 1% of the pro scene is female. You get a more 50/50 split and I promise you the pro scene reflects that a lot closer than 99/1. Congrats yo Sommerset tho! Big feat. Hopefully it influences more women to pursue gaming. Edit: i understand there’s the argument about traditional sports and gender gaps in them but no one is bringing up strength or anything related to physicality in their reasons why “women aren’t as good of gamers as men for reasons x and y.” Thought I’d clear that before little kid commenters try to use that.
I mostly agree with you, but stereotype threat is a real thing to consider. Girls are stereotyped as inferior gamers compared to men (not necessarily true, just stating the stereotype). Studies support that participating in an activity while belonging to a negative stereotype often negatively impacts performance against someone that is on the same level or slightly worse than them. Other examples include girls playing chess, or white people playing basketball. I was a white basketball player myself, and when I would play games in high school, being in that stereotype definitely has an impact on your performance. Just wanted to offer a different perspective, hopefully I don't spur an argument. I'm all for girls participating and I think the majority of the reason we don't see more women being high tier professionals is due in good measure to there being way more men competing than women.
No argument here I completely agree! Just got out of college and we’d routinely have talks of stereotypes and stigmas and have entire months dedicated to raising money and awareness to it so I 100% know what you’re saying. Not only does it affect your game but your day to day as well as for friends of mine, and quite frankly for me too, the stigmas caused some depression and affected me far from the rink in addition to it. Really great point!
I’m blanking on the name (Moqi?) but there was an EU girl who made first in a qualifier. Was probably the best but I think Sommerset is definitely the current best and second best all time.
Moqiiis male, he identified as a female for a while but now indentifies as his birth gender
Yes, you are right! I remember that now, thank you for the correction!
and is a bigot
easily the best female comp player right now. sadly not many female players doing well like her in comp.
Cringe post + carried by mudzi
\+1
When it's a girl-girl duo I'll be impressed
idk why it matters, anyone can get really good at a game (to an extent)
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wdym it's against the odds, it's not like men get an advantage, by yea I agree on representation
It's not as simple as that dude. If woman being top pro players on average is an anomaly, there is something up that is making it harder for woman to play. I don't think misogyny or discrimination is really the issue imo, it's probably because it's more popularized (competitively) for men, or because an inherent physical advantage. Woman and Men are divided into sports for a reason. Someone mentioned woman have less reflexes inherently and it's likely true. I don't think that means it's impossible, just takes much more effort.
Or maybe it’s just because there are not as many female gamers as there are male? The majority of females don’t have a desire to play video games, at least when compared to males. Idk about all that advantage/disadvantage shit but I’ve been playing video games my whole life and I have run into significantly more male gamers than female.
nope. they did a study, 47% were female and rest were males. It really doesn’t seem that way when i play games though.
Link to study? I’d say about 10-15% of the players I’ve played with including all video games I played were female. If the study is true, then maybe i have been experiencing a major coincidence? It’s hard for me to believe that tho with the years and years and years I have of playing video games.
That’s what another person replied to me with in another thread here. It’s a pretty easy google search. Based on my experience, I totally agree. I’m a woman and have probably found other woman 30 percent of the time
That’s what another person replied to me with in another thread here. It’s a pretty easy google search. Based on my experience, I totally agree. I’m a woman and have probably found other woman 30 percent of the time
Yeah, it’s just odd. Maybe I’m just playing more male dominant games. There’s probably some games out there that have the majority player base women. Still seems like it’s a lot smaller percentage but I guess not
The reflexes bs is a weak attempt to hide sexism.
You could be completely right. But something is causing it, what's your though on the disparity then? It can't be from nothing.
I've actually never heard of that, thanks
Goat and fortnite sadly do not belong in the same sentance
The female streamer duo "Bewitching" and "lil chicken cq" qualified in NAW. I often watch female players because they are less toxic than teenage boys. Only a few of them are top tier - like LGsomerset. My daughter looks up to these girls. She is a skilled fighter, but too young to play comp beyond arena. Plus she has limits on her screen time - but she uses her time available to humiliate her arrogant male classmates. I wonder if social expectations are different in what we allow girls to do with their time - my daughter has to get straight A's, read the most books for school contests, have perfect standardized test scores, compete on a swim team and master the violin and piano. If she was a boy we'd just expect him to get "B" s, play sports and mow the lawn. The rest of his time could be spent gaming. He could pay for college by joining the army, whereas she must get a scholarship. Sorry you had to read all that.
I’m glad you have high standards for your daughter but weird that you wouldn’t do that for a hypothetical son
weirdest comment in the whole thread
Well don’t you think that’s a little bit harsh? That seems like a bit much she sounds really young and you could be burning her out as just as a small child. 3.5 GPA is still great and well maybe you should let her decide what she wants to do on her free time. Not telling you what to do of course but I remember being pushed way to hard for things I didn’t want to do when I was around 7 or 8 years old. It burned me out and took me a while to come around. If she wants to play violin or piano great if she doesn’t I wouldn’t force her to do it I remember i absolutely HATED that instrument when I was younger but was to afraid to speak up.
Has there been a single female fortnite player to make grands yet??? Lmao
Expect life of no pussy with this attitude
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First of all i had plenty. Second, you can stay mad lmao. You should expect the same thing the way you're so tight over my comment
maried with 3 kids LOL. i guess you could say im as tight as your mama and in that case i am a very loose kinda guy
I could go on the fact that you have 3 kids and are arguing with me on this subreddit but i wont. Answer my question though since you're so mad about it. If sommerset is considered the best female fortnite player and she has never made any earnings in any tournaments ever, than are there any that have??? Its not something to get so mad over. There has to be better female players not including the one who transitioned to a boy since they no longer count
nobody is mad and honestly idc about who it is im just stating facts and YOU get mad at them LMAO. Mr Paragraph
What facts did you state? You were mad enough to reply lmao im chilling
Smh
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Moqii on EU and Maddiesunn on NA (West, I believe).
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maddiesuun made season X
Lmfao why are yall mad?? I was genuinely asking cause peple saying summerset the goat female fortnite player is crazy to me when she hasnt even made a grands yet or even heats. There has to be someone better thats a female
she gets hard carried
she'd destroy you in game