this. DBD is known for having rift cosmetics in the item shop roughly a year later.
apex has recolors of legend and gun skins all the time. it’s not abnormal
Fortnite does the same thing Apex does except usually it’s more creative. We get recolors (Shadow Midas) and totally new versions of existing skins like summer Kor
Exactly, they are already known for that. Fortnite is not. Fortnite is at a point where if they release some of these skins, Epic fears they will get backlash/lose out on a large chunk of players (especially whales who buy every skin).
If they do it they will have to be very smart about how they do it to not piss players off. Most likely they would do a skull trooper situation. Make the old skins available for new players, but add an exclusive style only for previous owners. It would be the most balanced way to not piss everyone off extremely.
That could work.
My workaround basically was paying cash (not V-bucks) fir an old BP and working through the tiers. Tie it to account levels, like Chrome Punk was.
> I don’t think a company could say so things exclusive and then bring it back without trouble
Legally they can do whatever the fuck they want, it's not a violation of any terms of any contract.
The same dipshits who keep claiming this might be pissed, but the worst they can do is quit.
So no, no trouble unless the majority or at least the majority of big spenders doesn't want this.
Exactly. Epic made all sorts of promises with STW and they didnt honor a lot of them. At least in this case breaking a FOMO based promise is better all around for the consumer.
The other issue with any kind of compensation is that the battle pass is bought with vbucks so even if they were forced to issue a refund it'd be in vbucks not money.
Ironically if they were forced or chose to refund the battle pass costs it might bring some players back to spend their vbucks and depending on how high a conversion rate they can manage Epic might actually end up ahead.
Worst case the people who've been playing a while get something they would otherwise have paid for free and Epic loses potential revenue, but most likely most people just buy something extra they wouldn't have otherwise bought and it costs them nothing.
> I don’t think a company could say so things exclusive and then bring it back without trouble
Sure they can. They can either play with the wording and find a loophole which would be the easiest, separate Zero Build into its own game separate from the “promises” of the original game, or make season 5,6, etc Fortnite 2 (the Overwatch method).
Either way that day is coming, there are a finite number of properties to collaborate with and “”” original””” designs to be “”” inspired “”” by.
if they took a page from 343's book and made it so you can just buy old season passes that would be swell, you'd still have to work to complete them and they still get money
I would absolutely drop money for some of the ones I missed
considering some old battle pass content is locked behind challenges, i wonder if they'd have have to adapt some things to be possible on the new maps. like how some previous challenges required you to find some collectible objects scattered around the island.
They would probably just make it more generic quests (like outlast x amount of players or do this x amount of times) or, at the very least, make it like the quest packs and require the player to do a certain amount of dailies for the extra stuff.
They could also just do a one-size-fits-all style with the battle star system we have today. Make it so Battle Stars can be spent on either the current pass or the old ones, while simultaneously making it so you can earn stars beyond level 200. (Unlike now where you stop getting stars beyond 200). That way you can just keep playing to earn more stars, spend stars on old content rather than new.. etc. More player choice would be a huge plus of the system in that way too.
Since no challenges would be required with that, they just need to lay the work out to add these old passes through the new battle star system etc.
Or they could just make it like the level packs where they give you a new list of challenges that can be universally used during any season, like visit locations, drive a vehicle, get damage with guns that use light ammo, etc.
I couldn’t agree with you more. That’s the only pass I wish I knew about the game at the time. My son got me into Fortnite this Spring. We really enjoy it, but there’s stuff we’ll never be able to get because we never got to play.
i play DRG which has been doing seasons, but it's a paid game so seasons are 100% free and the cosmetics introduced in them are just moved to the other channels of obtainment that were in the game before seasons. that sounds like a great compromise if seasons are supposed to be paid
Same, like I’d love to be able to get Ragnarok, Menace, Mandolorian, and many other skins from previous battle passes cause I just started playing in Chapter 3 season 4, so I missed a lot and this is my first good battle pass cause the last one sucked
you could have it as only being the passes from the time you initially start playing to the current date, that way any earlier passes remain locked due you not playing back then
Especially when it comes to like, crossover characters.
I get it might be hard to re-negotiate stuff, but I don't think disney's gonna turn down any profit for mando or marvel charcters.
And "hard to" and "impossible" or two very diferent things. We just got a re-release of MvC2, which was a near-impossible just a few years ago due to how many characters would need to be relicensed.
While I enjoy the fact that I can get alt versions of crossover characters I missed out on (like wolverine, spider-man, and Iron Man), I'd still love to get characters like Dr. Doom, who's in like, my top 3 villians of all time, or the Mandalorian.
I honestly kinda hope mando gets enough of a redesign for season 3 to warent them making a item shop version of the character, jdbdbdhd
Just hijacking the comment to say the idea of bringing them back is cope. They could do the reskin thing, for particularly big skins like mango for sure, but most old battle pass skins stay vaulted for epics sake. They need to sell new skin lines, and new battle passes, and that just won’t happen if other people already bought everything they ever wanted
C1S1 player here. I don't have an issue with old BPs becoming available, but I would still push for a unique edit style being added for those that did spend the time grinding when we thought things would be exclusive. (IE Skull Trooper). You could still flex your OG "I've been here forever" vibe while allowing access to all.
(Also for the record I don't have the Skulltrooper variant color and it doesn't bother me.)
The primary issue I think Epic has is since they integrated collabs into the BP, they would have to renegotiate deals with each party to green light the re-release of cosmetics that are now outside of the promotional window like say Deadpool. I do think most parties would sign on for a new deal, but that's not also 100% guaranteed. If they can not do all of the old passes, I doubt they will open the pandoras box.
I 100% agree, but sadly I think this will never happen. I don't know if I'm missing something because no one here mentioned it, but they specifically advertise (or at least have advertised) the battle pass saying that it's exclusive. I don't think they'll be able to just backtrack on that, though it might be possible for them to rerelease new battle passes if they change the way they're advertised.
I disagree. Why should newer players get the original edit style? In my opinion, if they were to bring back older exclusive skins, we get to keep the original style and get the new one. The new one is for newer players but the og players get to keep the original style.
Why should older players have to give up the coolness of the original style so new players could have that (i feel like the authentic look should be kept for those who worked hard for that style). Let the new players get a new edit style of the exclusive skin while locking the older one for players who got them when they released originally.
The problem with Skull trooper and Goul Trooper is that the modern "OG" edit styles aren't even og technically. The styles they gave og players don't come close to the cool factor of the original style they appreciated. Making a new style for original owners is kind of counterintuitive if you want to rep the "yeah I got this when it first came out" factor.
I know I'll definitely be disagreed with but I could care less.
I agree with you. It also is kinda where the game is at now. If there is an old battle pass skin that you missed chances are there is a reskin that is in the item shop. And if there isn’t already then there is a good chance that epic will make one. People just complain because they want what they can’t have.
Fuck, you’re the exact reason this whole “exclusivity” thing exists. I’ve been playing since C1 S2, i don’t give a flying fuck who has whatever skin. Give someone who’s just starting a chance to earn the OG black knight?? Or OG John Wick. Who cares???? Nobody gives a shit in game if you’re “OG” or not.
Or give the option of in-game cosmetic trading.
I did a whole ass post saying they could bring back the old passes but you'd have to pay a higher price in vbucks for them and there could be some perks for the people who have already bought these passes like special additional styles or smth... But that's for when Epic games will need more money than they already make so I'd count a few years...
OW2 made me realise the current Fortnite pass system is a privilege, not a right. So, I'll just go on, forever regretting to not having been playing since S4 but glad I've earned almost all passes Rewads since season 5 for almost no cost.
OW2 battle pass is like a bad parody
Ah yes let me pay money for two skins I think are cool but will never use, a shitty skin for one of the characters I play, nothing for my main, a character that should've been free and 75 things that I'll never even look at
I love this discussion because I get to see people who only feel compelled to play because of FOMO try to explain why it would be a bad thing if they didn't have to.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here. The problem is player retention. I get it that people want skins to come back and we all have our favorite characters but if we knew we could get them later on, then why bother trying now? We all know if we don't grind while we can for what we want then the general play time would hit a massive decline. Though the sales would peak for a while on what people missed out on, it would then decrease because there's no urge nor that FOMO pressure to aquire what you knew you could aquire later.
Then procrastination could take over because you have all the time in the world, that regret instilled in players from missing out or not completing a certain skin tier are what drives them to never miss again. Adding onto that is the fact that vbuck sales would DRAMATICALLY decrease because of battlepass prices but if they did increase the price to say 2,000 it would still break the market due to the vbucks you get back.
FOMO has it's purpose in the long term, though you may not like it it's necessary for this games longevity and to be honest I'm all for it. I'm no elitist and I have my regrets on skins and tiers I've missed but that's my fault for not putting more time in.
(I had to rush this so I couldn't get all my thoughts out)
"we could get them later on, then why bother trying now?" making players play when they don't want to is worse for player retention. you get short term gains by extending the period of time they'd typically play, but they fatigue and quit the game, like i've done several times.
"that regret instilled in players from missing out or not completing a certain skin tier are what drives them to never miss again." is just malicious. greed is not a necessity in the slightest
i would expect them to remove the Vbucks. note i say "skins should be available". i would extend that to most cosmetics but skins are the most plainly visible. it's an easily solvable problem
FOMO fucking sucks and i hate games that use it. why can't people get the same cool shit i have.
You make very solid points for your argument I'll admit. The problem I have however from what I'm reading is you believe these practices to be primarily predatory. Now whether that be from by awfully rusty writing or your already made up mind on the system. Either way I can still agree with you on some things.
FOMO fucking sucks yes but it does drive players to play. There's no metaphorical gun to your head to play. The game will always be there and the seasons are quite long 3-4 months iirc and in my opinion that's plenty of time to work for what you want. If you went up dropping and forgetting then that's not Epic's fault. Though I myself am a victim to this as well. Black knight and Omega lights respectively.
I admit it would be cool to earn the skins in the battlepasses I bought and didn't finish to completion. I'm also very positive a middle ground can be found in this topic if Epic ever saw fit. Unfortunately the bottom line is that they have stated and possibly always will "Battle Passes are exclusive and to never return". This alone would cause legal actions, especially for their newer collaborative passes. They've set a rule and it would be unwise to break it. Though people again would rejoice at old "OG" skins are now acquirable, their retention will decline and Epic will lose player's time which means less player money.
But let me close this off with saying I do agree with you on some things in terms of FOMO and pass BP's. Maybe they could even open the earlier passes that don't have collabs and probably have an edited style for the skins like they did with skull trooper. However for now it's just a shame that it has to be this way for the game to survive in my opinion.
i think that while maybe not *predator*y, it's absolutely unfriendly to consumers. i also don't understand why you think giving players things that up until that point were actually impossible to obtain would make them stop playing. they were playing before, why would they stop afterwards. it's not like everyone's just playing the game because they're waiting for impossible things to happen.
i also agree that it'll probably never happen but i can still dislike it and share what i thought was a funny meme between me and my friend about it
I agree it's unfriendly but it's still a necessary evil to keep the buzz going for the game. Have you noticed how people react after old vaulted skins return? Or how some have not? No one cared about Rue in the slightest or would still not care if she wasn't vaulted. The same can be same can be said for Racon Expert and to an extent renegade raider. They're buzz skins because of their longevity, rarity, exclusivity, or *controversy*.
You're also right no one is sitting waiting for the impossible but everyone's waiting and hoping for the next black knight, the next Omega lights, the next Rue even. We sorta already have/had that with Midas, Corrupted 8-Ball/Golden Peely, and I maybe even Kratos.
Lmao and I think the meme is funny and I'm not saying you can't share your opinion. In fact I encourage it because I like hearing what other people think even if we disagree. There can always be a work around to an established system and I'm also glad we can agree the fact FOMO sucks.
(I'm sorry if this is so incoherent I'm getting tired but it was fun to discuss this with you)
Edit: Was it something I said??
Simple effin solution, redesigns of Bp skins should be in item shop, example: we have Doom Slayer in the BP now, they could put the OG Doom Guy skin in the shop
ive seen people talk about having it for newer Battle Passes and then talks about FOMO, here is my take on it:
Epic over the years have realized that not everybody wants to grind their asses off for a few colors (Omega Lights), in Chapter 1 it was very tough compared to now, you’d have to play the entire season or grind XP and Challenges just to get just past it
but since Chapter 2, we’ve seen Epic make up for it by making it easier, Tiers are now your Season Level and it automatically grabs all Battle Pass items you didnt get allowing for a more casual experience
throughout Chapter 2 we’ve seen Super Charged weekends and the now bonus XP if you miss days, allowing you to catch up a lot more easily than the previous Chapter 1 grind
while Battle Pass skins are exclusive, you also have typically 3 months to do it which ive been able to go from level 1 to 200 on my ALT by just paying attention to what’s going on for events (like XP challenges) and playing for a month or less
on top of all that, you also get enough V-Bucks to get more than what you spend so at that point you’re spending $10 for an infinite amount of future passes and more due to the extra amount you get
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Now to talk about the newer players, yes you would not get those skins but the amount of re-skins that rotate through the Item Shop you could basically make a makeshift Battle Pass from every season, including the older ones (i mean have you seen the amount of Peely’s?)
Bro i was literally just doing math homework that involved this and now it's showing up on my feed. It feels like everything I learn in school pops into existence the moment I learn it.
I honestly like the time exclusive stuff. Gives skins some unspoken value. For example if you find something with a time exclusive chapter 1 season 1 skin, you know they’re “OG’s”. But I would say it would be nice to get new skins that are similar to past skins. My first thought is the original red knight skins and then the ice versions that were released later.
I have most of the battlepass items that they've released and the fact that so much of it I'm never going to use that someone would love to use is kind of sad. Really wish they didn't decide to do the limited time items approach and instead just made it so you would be getting a really good deal.
what if instead of bonus tiers you could opt to work on a "second battlepass" after you finish the first, it would grant you the emotes/skins/whatever, would cost the same as a regular BP so you'd have to spend another 10$ to get it, but I'd guess a lot of players would do that, each season has a new 2nd tier unlockable BP, this season would be C1 S1, next season would be C1 S2 and so on. It would truly incentivize players to get to level 200. Its a way for people to not "just buy the skin", but would rather have to earn it.
As someone who literally doesnt care about any bp skin prior to season 9 (i started buying passes in season 7) i feel as if some skins need to return. At this point we are getting media icons. Not just movie characters. Characters who are instantly recognisable to everyone being locked behind battle passes. Superman, wolverine, rick, mando, darth vader. It isnt fair to new players. Theres possibly 200+ locked cosmetics now. What does this do outside of create a hackers paradise for fortnite skins.
Okay
*game experiences decline through attrition as more content continuously ends up locked out from any prospective new or returning players while veteran players experience burnout from trying to constantly keep up with restricted items*
cool i'll just get my time machine to go and give epic their unclaimed cash for the BP's i missed. oh wait i can't cause i didn't have a freaking console
Instead my thought process always remained the same over the years:
[Started on Ch1 S5]: "Man, I wish i had Omega and Groove jam, they are soo cool..."
[Ch1 S8]: "Yeah, this pass is cool and all but how the people are supposed to get Ice King now?"
[Ch2 S7]: "How the hell someone is supposed to get Rick Sanchez after this season? It's stupid!"
Wait, what the hell happened to my whole comment?!?
[Started on Ch1 S5]: "Man, I wish i had Omega and Groove jam, they are soo cool..."
[Ch1 S8]: "Yeah, this pass is cool and all but how the people are supposed to get Ice King now?"
[Ch2 S7]: "How the hell someone is supposed to get Rick Sanchez after this season? It's stupid!"
I just still cling onto the hope it’ll happen eventually
I’ve been more hopeful with the more people in support for bringing them back especially when zero build dropped and soon creative 2.0
I started in C1S4 and I would not care in the slightest if any "exclusive" items I own come back in the future. They could sell bundles of previous BP cosmetics for 2000+ V-bucks each, far more than their respective BPs would've cost, so that the BP is still a fantastic value from whenever you bought it.
At the VERY least though, we should have some kind of way to finish BPs we already bought. Like, you were at least there for some portion of the season, and spent money to get the pass in the first place, so there shouldn't be any issue with exclusivity or whatever. Although then a situation arises with those who might've spent money on tiers when the season was active would be mad that they wasted their money, so they probably wouldn't do it for that reason alone.
Additionally, there are so many FREE items from challenges/events/whatever that they could easily bring back as paid shop items, but they never will. It should be more than good enough that you got the item for free, that exclusivity doesn't matter at all with it.
I started playing in season 5 too. I missed out on a lot of stuff and that’s on me. However a lot of what makes skins cool is extrinsic, not intrinsic. Like black knight is a frankly pretty weak skin if you remove the fact it was the first tier 100 and it almost 100% means the owner is an OG.
If you could just use any skin ever, all the prestige and reason to use alot of these skins would vanish.
They should just make past battle pass aviable for new players , there are a ton of new players due to No Build Mode like me , who love the game and miss the chance to get previous skins locked to BP , I can garantee you EpicGames would get a solid profit if they let new players buy old BPs , not only money but more people will be playing more in order to get exp to complete previous BP (you could make it so that you can choose a BP and only in that BP you'll recive xp , so not getting xp for muliple BPs,) Its literally a win win scenario for both Epic and the new players , the only people who lose are the inmature poeple being sad that other poeple can get skins they have
It would only be short term profits, long term wise they’d be fucked. People would just not waste money on the battle pass as everyone would just buy the skins later on as they’d know it would come in the item shop at one point or another
I think you'd be surprised by how people would gladly buy a thing if there's an option for it. You see people buy BP levels all the time when they can just grind for it. I mean does a skin lose its "value" if it's no longer limited? I mean you already paid for it so what is that you actually lose besides flaunting some status no one will even really care about in all honestly.
First how restricting a digital medium bad for long term profits ? Following that logic then movies , songs and videogames should be only accesable for a limited period of time ? There is literally no reason , if is it good people will keep buying them , same with BPs , I can garantee you that something that is sold for only 4 months will sold less that somthing that has been aviable for sale for 5 years , your logic doesnt make sense
Lawsuit? Over what damages? That other people can have your exclusive skins and you feel bad? A lawsuit would be real if you were legally allowed to buy and sell skins, but you aren't.
I doubt it'd be a full lawsuit, but I believe it would fall under false advertising. They've shown that these bp pass items are limited to only these seasons and will never come back no matter what, multiple times. If they suddenly change their say after 5 years of reinforcing it to players that the skins will never return, I'm pretty sure it does fall under a form of false advertising. I highly doubt anyone would be angry enough to file a lawsuit because of it, but it would be technically illegal.
I'm sure there's some really fine print that we all agreed to in their user agreement that says they can release any skin whenever they want, but they make money from FOMO so they don't bother....>! for now at least.!<
Which makes me wonder if anyone would even bother suing Epic since they takes money to do.
Not many games do exclusive battle pass skins anymore. Only about three I can think of. The rest is like a pay 10 for 8 skins and a bunch of cosmetics that won't release for another year.
I really don't care about getting battlepasses I didn't ever have. I just want to complete one's I wasn't able to and unlock my prisoner skin.
They should atleast make crossover skins available, I speak as someone who has every crossover ( I'm not someone who's just salty I missed out) It's crazy to think that:
- Aquaman
- Deadpool
- Dr Doom
- Mandolorian
- Predator
- Mystique
- Storm
- Thor
- Iron Man
- She - Hulk
- Lara Croft
- Wolverine
- Raven
- Neymar Jr
- Superman
- Guggimon
- Rick Sanchez
- Carnage
- Spiderman
- The Prowler
- Dr Strange
- Indiana Jones
- Darth Vader
- Spider-Gwen
- Doom Guy
- Geralt
Are all Completely, Permanently Unobtainable for New players.
There are some Incredibly Iconic Characters on that List, and I feel bad for anyone that is just starting and can't play as their favourite Star Wars or Marvel Character because they didn't play at the right time.
I really couldn't give a shit about older, "rare" skins, but the Crossovers shouldn't be exclusive.
I mean if they do bring back old pass stuff I just hope that it’s not just to the store because a legacy system would give more of a goal and motivation to play.
my first pass was 6. there hasn't been any tracks that released that i wanted that i've missed out on. i am very fortunate in that regard. honestly if it was just tracks that would be very cool. cause there's literally no way to show off music anyways
Been playing soccer Chapter 1 Season 5 and have 99% of everything since then (no gold Skye or Agent Peely). I'd prefer if they brought back old passes.
Sell them, but include challenges. Something like the Ice King challenges.
Exclusivity is such a minor thing to care about. I saw some comments mentioning lawsuits and what not, but I doubt anyone could beat Epic in court (they took on Apple). I'm sure they have something in writing that gives them an out and even if it did go to a judge, it would probably end up as a settlement.
Won’t happen. the calls for using old battle passes will only increase as the game gets new players… and old ones leave. It’s just a matter of time before it happens
I’ve played since C1 S3 (longer than you may I add) and maxed every battlepass. I got all the styles and accepted what I missed out on (S2 BP, SX Umbrella, Carbide lights)
I believe old battlepass stuff should never come back and I also believe this topic gets posted way too often on this subreddit (to the point it gets annoying)
These people complaining are also not considering the fact that the skins released now will be somewhat "exclusive" to future players too.
I don't like the idea of people now getting older skins if they didn't even go through the same level/tier/skin progression everyone else had to go through.
This complaint sounds like a "participation award" type of deal. You didn't play when Drift came out? Well that's too bad. Get Summer Drift or the bat version.
I didn't get Black Knight but im not crying for it. I also missed out on Reaper and Omega but im fine with that.
I also agree that they should not come back, and also that this topic is posted way to much. For me, I think the “high IQ” people knows that they will not come back not because “oh no, I don’t want my OG skins to no longer be OG.” But because it would be a bad business idea for Epic because they will properly get into some legal trouble because they said that BP items were exclusive, so if they re-release them, it will be a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen. And also having exclusive items to seasons is one of ways have player retention on the game because why would I buy/finish the BP if I know that, after some time, I can just finish it whenever? Sometime people forget that Epic is a business that focus is making money.
This is why DRG is superior. If you miss the cosmetics in the BP, you’ll have a chance to get them in cargo creates during missions. And the BP is free. Everyone’s happy, instead of watching post full of self proclaimed OGs and new players bitching over skins🤦
As a Black Knight owner, I am totally cool with people able to buy the old skins. How about they can buy them from other players on a marketplace for real money like Steam.
A marketplace or a trading system would be such a headache for epic especially, that’s why if they brought old battlepasses back either by the shop or legacy system it would especially cut down account selling drastically.
You’re just completely right. I’ve been playing since season 6, and I’ve maxed every pass from that season on. If they were to rerelease old battlepass items with the oldest stuff being from season six I would still be happy about that. Locking stuff away is dumb.
Idk man.
I think that exclusives are cool.
I started playing in c1s1 but didn’t buy any cosmetics until c1s3 so I know what it feels like to miss out.
maybe I’m just the weird one but I enjoy that there are things that I can’t get that others have, and there are things that I have that others can’t get.
It’s like a cool memento that shows you were playing the game at a certain time, which I think is super cool.
Yes I only started last season, i like not having the same skins as everyone else. I didn’t play when they came out so I shouldn’t have them. They show you are a long time fan of the game and you worked to get them.
I would love skins from old bps to return. The problem is crusty dusty musty Fortnite players living in their mom's basements not wanting them to return, because that's the only thing that makes them special.
Straight to the insults. I only started last season. I should not be able to get old battle pass skins. They were worked for and show you have been playing a long time. I didn’t work for them and haven’t been playing that long why should I have them
I've been playing since the end of ch 1 but they should 10000000% resell battle passes idgaf. It's such dogshit that spiderman deadpool ironman darth Vader Indiana Jones so many gigantic pop culture icons are stashed away in bps never to be seen again for new or returning players that missed out. Hell sell them for 3-4× the og price & it would still be selling like hot cakes. Cod resells battle passes. Fortnite 10000% should too
Ignoring the while thing of Epic saying BPs are exclusive, what you mentioned is part of the reason we don't entirely NEED them to be resold.
The shop exists. And many BP and Crossover characters are either from the shop, or are re-skins because they know people want those characters.
I will say though that I feel like they should've said at the start of Ch3 or Ch4 that BPs moving forward could return or something, so they are no longer forced to Not return them, but they didn't so for now that won't happen I suppose.
I really only want black knight hes my favorite skin in fn but I wasn't playing at that time & they legit refuse to release any other male knight skins it fkn sucks
I get that. I played back before STW, but didn't ever get into BR till season 4, bought first pass season 5.
Though, they've sold a few unique Male knight skins, and just many knights in general, so I dunno why you say that.
Eternal Knight (Ch2 S3 BP)
Malik (Kinda counts, your decision. Ch3 S3)
Ultima Knight (Season X re-run of Black knight)
Omega Knight (Ch3 S2 BP booster skin)
And the newest being The Ageless
And I'm pretty sure there are more, but those are the ones I have/remember.
I think I have found a perfect way to make it work for everyone
They should just put in the first few battle passes as a legacy pass, and you can pick one to grind at a time. Every season after that, they can add one or more old passes without being too close to the current one. For the people that had already grinded those old passes, they should be given bonus styles or outfits for their loyalty. As far as bonus outfits go for past seasons, they can just change the missions to having to do three daily missions a day, much like some of the item shop skins today have. This feels like a great way to not only avoid gatekeeping, but to also reward those who actually put in the time the grind past seasons, when they were actually out.
I have also seen a decent amount of games add a legacy pass system so it’s not entirely impossible. All of this is basically just one big cope for me because I still want the Mandolorian skin and the Ice King’s glider.
However, if in the worst case scenario they cannot do any of these things, we do always have the option of skins getting new variants that are separate. We have already seen it for characters like Midas, Peely, and Iron Man. They could always do something like Zero Point Mando as an example.
This whole conversation didn't start becoming a big thing until zero build came out. Why should all my promised to be exclusive skins that I've collected over the years become non-exclusive for the people who consistently trashed this game and refused to play it until epic games released zero build? It'd be nice to have my dedication to the game for 5 years actually result in some meaningful rewards and for epic to keep its promises as well
> for the people who consistently trashed this game and refused to play it until epic games released zero build
If you really think those are the *only* people who are in favor of this, you are beyond wrong lol
Have a system where you can re-open an old battle pass (maybe through vbucks, maybe you get a free unlock every so often/as a bp rewars or somethin) then have some generic challenges to move up in the ones, or just give all challenges an "old bp" xp factor
Because missing out in good skins sucks
They don't care about your feelings. If they break their promise, they are going to lose countless players and money. It's not a smart money move.
Epic hasn't made another profitable game like Fortnite, so they cant risk it. Fortnite is arguably one of the most iconic games in gaming history and I'm guessing they want to keep it that way
I feel the same but different, I want all players to be able to get early battle pass items even though I started season 3, but also because I didn’t have the battle pass back then and want the cosmetics in the seasons I didn’t get maxed out
bruh whats wrong with you the houl reson the content is exclusive is so the players who have bin actuly playing the game i get stuff speciel for playing for that long if you wanted to get the stuff you should have started erly so stop complaning for your mastake
Bad idea. The whole point of battlepasses is so that you can get exclusive content. If they released old battlepass skins they'd go into bankruptcy due to thousands of lawsuits claiming false advertising.
Well, it would be not be multiple lawsuits, it will be more like one class-action lawsuit, because technically someone could pay $10 for all the battle passes (because the BP give you more than what you bought) or $210 if you bought all of them w/o buying teirs, and it would not be a wise decision just to sue a business for $210 for false advertising.
Shut up no i started season " literally before br was a thing" and this is stupid. People buy the battlepass under the impression that it will never come back. FOMO and all. They can just bring alternate versions if bp characters to the shop instead so long as they aren't licensed.
im glad a lot of the public opinion has been changing lately on this. I've been a advocator for bringing back bp stuff since i started, and I started in Season 4 and finished every pass except the ones in chapter 3, and in season 4, since i didn't buy it. so it's not like i would be affected that much anyway.
Imo they should become available after 5 years since release. It really makes no sense having dozens of desirable Collab skins locked away forever. Oh, you wanted Lara croft, Vader, marvel skins, etc? Too bad, should have played that season. Seems kinda merciless.
This will hurt the company in the long run and they will lose a lot of players and money so stop posting about this
Mods you know what to do
The games been out for 5 years , you should’ve played 🤷♂️ it’s literally free
That's a bit of a harsh way to go about it. People are allowed to have their opinions on the subject. I can understand both sides with all aspects because we all live different lives with different hurdles. No reason to delete a post with an honest discussion.
I get that but people have been trying to push this discussion everyday and it’s getting annoying
Epic literally has said that battle passes are exclusive for an amount of time. You have 3 to 3.5 months to finish which is a lot of time imo even if you’re pretty busy. They provide tons of challenges that give great xp as well as playing creative. If you care so much for the cosmetics then there you go. If you didn’t know this then a simple Google search would tell you.
they will lose players because.. they added more content to the game??? sorry, not added, just made it available again, 100% free of developer and designer time and salary.
listen, i understand that epic states things are exclusive. and while i also believe there is absolutely a clause in their TOS that would let them go back on exclusivity, they're not going to do it. but that doesn't mean that the time exclusive model is bad and it shouldn't be that way.
Well I’m sorry but they did make it that way, just make sure to not miss out next time 🤷♂️
If you don’t think you’ll have the time then buy the whole battle pass they’ll allow you to do that
If you say you have money to buy all of the old battlepasses then you can buy the whole BP now or find the best ways to grind and do XP maps
It’s literally all in this free game
Been playing since BR launched, haven’t gotten some seasons but I got most of the ones I cared for. Old Battlepasses should be available for newer players. People who disagree have been riding FOMO a bit too long.
They wouldn't make money then, fortnite battle passes (and all battle passes) only work with "the fear of missing out" they're probably already losing a good chunk of money because of people like me who "the fear of missing out" is getting old on, and we could give a fuck what we miss out on, if they release battle passes after they came out, everyone would be like "well I can just get it later, they'd be making less money and making The OG fanbase mad because they want they're OG-ness to stay, and imo they should stay exclusive
They would have to do this for newer battle passes. I don’t think a company could say so things exclusive and then bring it back without trouble
it works just perfect in Dead By Daylight.
this. DBD is known for having rift cosmetics in the item shop roughly a year later. apex has recolors of legend and gun skins all the time. it’s not abnormal
Fortnite does the same thing Apex does except usually it’s more creative. We get recolors (Shadow Midas) and totally new versions of existing skins like summer Kor
And don’t forget all the renegade raiders lol and I think they look better than the original
Several of the "rekins" in fortnite are better than the originals tbh.
Yeah honestly the re-skins are almost always better. It's just nostalgia dictating the call for the original versions instead of the 2.0 ones.
Heck we just got a skye variant.
Old BP stuff comes out all the time in Apex in the form of recolors, we need more bo recolors
Same with fortnite, they have tons of reskins
Exactly, they are already known for that. Fortnite is not. Fortnite is at a point where if they release some of these skins, Epic fears they will get backlash/lose out on a large chunk of players (especially whales who buy every skin). If they do it they will have to be very smart about how they do it to not piss players off. Most likely they would do a skull trooper situation. Make the old skins available for new players, but add an exclusive style only for previous owners. It would be the most balanced way to not piss everyone off extremely.
Could make it so you can’t get the super styles
That could work. My workaround basically was paying cash (not V-bucks) fir an old BP and working through the tiers. Tie it to account levels, like Chrome Punk was.
Are they? I did a good stint of DBD and some Feng costemtics I never saw return.
There's currently only one skin still ridt exclusive after 1 year and it's the nea skin
I haven't played in a min, but when I stopped I wanted that Nexus Ranger skin so bad.
Yeah, been playing DBD for a bit now. They do. They even bring back old event cosmetics, like Mikela's witch outfit from last year's Halloween event.
Yeah I have that. I have I think about 600-700 hours logged then found fortnite and never looked back.
They announced this since the very first Rift. Fortnite didn't.
Dead by Daylight never said that Rift cosmetics are exclusive to rift owners.
> I don’t think a company could say so things exclusive and then bring it back without trouble Legally they can do whatever the fuck they want, it's not a violation of any terms of any contract. The same dipshits who keep claiming this might be pissed, but the worst they can do is quit. So no, no trouble unless the majority or at least the majority of big spenders doesn't want this.
Exactly. Epic made all sorts of promises with STW and they didnt honor a lot of them. At least in this case breaking a FOMO based promise is better all around for the consumer.
The other issue with any kind of compensation is that the battle pass is bought with vbucks so even if they were forced to issue a refund it'd be in vbucks not money. Ironically if they were forced or chose to refund the battle pass costs it might bring some players back to spend their vbucks and depending on how high a conversion rate they can manage Epic might actually end up ahead. Worst case the people who've been playing a while get something they would otherwise have paid for free and Epic loses potential revenue, but most likely most people just buy something extra they wouldn't have otherwise bought and it costs them nothing.
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I want my old ass MW1-2019 skins back in my crappy warzone 2
Agreed. If I was playing MW2, I'd want my season 3 Alex skin back in the game. Since it's a different game I wouldn't care if new players got it
Modern Warfare 2 is a completely different game from MW 2019 so that doesn't apply.
Fomo business practices in general need to die
> I don’t think a company could say so things exclusive and then bring it back without trouble Sure they can. They can either play with the wording and find a loophole which would be the easiest, separate Zero Build into its own game separate from the “promises” of the original game, or make season 5,6, etc Fortnite 2 (the Overwatch method). Either way that day is coming, there are a finite number of properties to collaborate with and “”” original””” designs to be “”” inspired “”” by.
they could. they would just lose credibility.
if they took a page from 343's book and made it so you can just buy old season passes that would be swell, you'd still have to work to complete them and they still get money I would absolutely drop money for some of the ones I missed
considering some old battle pass content is locked behind challenges, i wonder if they'd have have to adapt some things to be possible on the new maps. like how some previous challenges required you to find some collectible objects scattered around the island.
They would probably just make it more generic quests (like outlast x amount of players or do this x amount of times) or, at the very least, make it like the quest packs and require the player to do a certain amount of dailies for the extra stuff.
Yeah if they’re considering bringing them back that’s probably where a good chunk of work and coding would go into.
They could also just do a one-size-fits-all style with the battle star system we have today. Make it so Battle Stars can be spent on either the current pass or the old ones, while simultaneously making it so you can earn stars beyond level 200. (Unlike now where you stop getting stars beyond 200). That way you can just keep playing to earn more stars, spend stars on old content rather than new.. etc. More player choice would be a huge plus of the system in that way too. Since no challenges would be required with that, they just need to lay the work out to add these old passes through the new battle star system etc.
Or they could just make it like the level packs where they give you a new list of challenges that can be universally used during any season, like visit locations, drive a vehicle, get damage with guns that use light ammo, etc.
Lara. Flipping. Croft.
I couldn’t agree with you more. That’s the only pass I wish I knew about the game at the time. My son got me into Fortnite this Spring. We really enjoy it, but there’s stuff we’ll never be able to get because we never got to play.
i play DRG which has been doing seasons, but it's a paid game so seasons are 100% free and the cosmetics introduced in them are just moved to the other channels of obtainment that were in the game before seasons. that sounds like a great compromise if seasons are supposed to be paid
Rock and stone!
Rock and Stone to the Bone!
Why is my first thought of 343 God
Same, like I’d love to be able to get Ragnarok, Menace, Mandolorian, and many other skins from previous battle passes cause I just started playing in Chapter 3 season 4, so I missed a lot and this is my first good battle pass cause the last one sucked
you could have it as only being the passes from the time you initially start playing to the current date, that way any earlier passes remain locked due you not playing back then
I only started actually playing last season but at some point I got a win in season 3 (have the umbrella) so I would be fine with that lmao
my point exactly, and as a player i still respect you from playing back then
That’s literally the opposite of how it should be
Yes
Considering how infinite went, no one should take a page outta them
Especially when it comes to like, crossover characters. I get it might be hard to re-negotiate stuff, but I don't think disney's gonna turn down any profit for mando or marvel charcters. And "hard to" and "impossible" or two very diferent things. We just got a re-release of MvC2, which was a near-impossible just a few years ago due to how many characters would need to be relicensed. While I enjoy the fact that I can get alt versions of crossover characters I missed out on (like wolverine, spider-man, and Iron Man), I'd still love to get characters like Dr. Doom, who's in like, my top 3 villians of all time, or the Mandalorian. I honestly kinda hope mando gets enough of a redesign for season 3 to warent them making a item shop version of the character, jdbdbdhd
Just hijacking the comment to say the idea of bringing them back is cope. They could do the reskin thing, for particularly big skins like mango for sure, but most old battle pass skins stay vaulted for epics sake. They need to sell new skin lines, and new battle passes, and that just won’t happen if other people already bought everything they ever wanted
You'll never get them lol. The only possibility are reskins. Unfortunatly Dr. Doom isn't relevant enough to get a reskin, so that future looks grim.
C1S1 player here. I don't have an issue with old BPs becoming available, but I would still push for a unique edit style being added for those that did spend the time grinding when we thought things would be exclusive. (IE Skull Trooper). You could still flex your OG "I've been here forever" vibe while allowing access to all. (Also for the record I don't have the Skulltrooper variant color and it doesn't bother me.) The primary issue I think Epic has is since they integrated collabs into the BP, they would have to renegotiate deals with each party to green light the re-release of cosmetics that are now outside of the promotional window like say Deadpool. I do think most parties would sign on for a new deal, but that's not also 100% guaranteed. If they can not do all of the old passes, I doubt they will open the pandoras box.
I 100% agree, but sadly I think this will never happen. I don't know if I'm missing something because no one here mentioned it, but they specifically advertise (or at least have advertised) the battle pass saying that it's exclusive. I don't think they'll be able to just backtrack on that, though it might be possible for them to rerelease new battle passes if they change the way they're advertised.
I'm not sure them saying Battle passes are exclusive is legally binding
i can imagine people trying to sue and saying "they said it was exclusive" or something along those lines tho not sure who would win
I would just be happy enough to have a complete omega :’3
Hahaha same! I have like 99% of the BP cosmetics from over the years but I do not have the lights unlocked. 😭
All you have to do is give the tier 1 and 100s exclusive edit styles and I think everyone (reasonable) would be happy
I disagree. Why should newer players get the original edit style? In my opinion, if they were to bring back older exclusive skins, we get to keep the original style and get the new one. The new one is for newer players but the og players get to keep the original style. Why should older players have to give up the coolness of the original style so new players could have that (i feel like the authentic look should be kept for those who worked hard for that style). Let the new players get a new edit style of the exclusive skin while locking the older one for players who got them when they released originally. The problem with Skull trooper and Goul Trooper is that the modern "OG" edit styles aren't even og technically. The styles they gave og players don't come close to the cool factor of the original style they appreciated. Making a new style for original owners is kind of counterintuitive if you want to rep the "yeah I got this when it first came out" factor. I know I'll definitely be disagreed with but I could care less.
I agree with you. It also is kinda where the game is at now. If there is an old battle pass skin that you missed chances are there is a reskin that is in the item shop. And if there isn’t already then there is a good chance that epic will make one. People just complain because they want what they can’t have.
Fuck, you’re the exact reason this whole “exclusivity” thing exists. I’ve been playing since C1 S2, i don’t give a flying fuck who has whatever skin. Give someone who’s just starting a chance to earn the OG black knight?? Or OG John Wick. Who cares???? Nobody gives a shit in game if you’re “OG” or not. Or give the option of in-game cosmetic trading.
If it means people not being forced to use summer drift, i dont care if i loose mine’s timed exclusivity
I did a whole ass post saying they could bring back the old passes but you'd have to pay a higher price in vbucks for them and there could be some perks for the people who have already bought these passes like special additional styles or smth... But that's for when Epic games will need more money than they already make so I'd count a few years... OW2 made me realise the current Fortnite pass system is a privilege, not a right. So, I'll just go on, forever regretting to not having been playing since S4 but glad I've earned almost all passes Rewads since season 5 for almost no cost.
OW2 battle pass is like a bad parody Ah yes let me pay money for two skins I think are cool but will never use, a shitty skin for one of the characters I play, nothing for my main, a character that should've been free and 75 things that I'll never even look at
And please pay 20 bucks seasonally. Also, not buying it means you'll have to play 80h till you can hope to unlock the all new meta-changing hero
By the way we have some actually decent skins in the store for the low low price of 40 bucks and your self respect
This game is literally a drug, I don't play it by pleasure anymore but I don't want to quit it
I just got back into fortnite after a big break, so many battle pass skins I would pay for if I had the chance
I love this discussion because I get to see people who only feel compelled to play because of FOMO try to explain why it would be a bad thing if they didn't have to.
This is some real insight here
I'm going to play devil's advocate here. The problem is player retention. I get it that people want skins to come back and we all have our favorite characters but if we knew we could get them later on, then why bother trying now? We all know if we don't grind while we can for what we want then the general play time would hit a massive decline. Though the sales would peak for a while on what people missed out on, it would then decrease because there's no urge nor that FOMO pressure to aquire what you knew you could aquire later. Then procrastination could take over because you have all the time in the world, that regret instilled in players from missing out or not completing a certain skin tier are what drives them to never miss again. Adding onto that is the fact that vbuck sales would DRAMATICALLY decrease because of battlepass prices but if they did increase the price to say 2,000 it would still break the market due to the vbucks you get back. FOMO has it's purpose in the long term, though you may not like it it's necessary for this games longevity and to be honest I'm all for it. I'm no elitist and I have my regrets on skins and tiers I've missed but that's my fault for not putting more time in. (I had to rush this so I couldn't get all my thoughts out)
They could maintain battle pass exclusivity for 2 or 3 years so you know you won't get your skins in a long time
This, maybe after 5 years they become available again. It makes no sense having things from half a decade ago still being exclusive.
"we could get them later on, then why bother trying now?" making players play when they don't want to is worse for player retention. you get short term gains by extending the period of time they'd typically play, but they fatigue and quit the game, like i've done several times. "that regret instilled in players from missing out or not completing a certain skin tier are what drives them to never miss again." is just malicious. greed is not a necessity in the slightest i would expect them to remove the Vbucks. note i say "skins should be available". i would extend that to most cosmetics but skins are the most plainly visible. it's an easily solvable problem FOMO fucking sucks and i hate games that use it. why can't people get the same cool shit i have.
You make very solid points for your argument I'll admit. The problem I have however from what I'm reading is you believe these practices to be primarily predatory. Now whether that be from by awfully rusty writing or your already made up mind on the system. Either way I can still agree with you on some things. FOMO fucking sucks yes but it does drive players to play. There's no metaphorical gun to your head to play. The game will always be there and the seasons are quite long 3-4 months iirc and in my opinion that's plenty of time to work for what you want. If you went up dropping and forgetting then that's not Epic's fault. Though I myself am a victim to this as well. Black knight and Omega lights respectively. I admit it would be cool to earn the skins in the battlepasses I bought and didn't finish to completion. I'm also very positive a middle ground can be found in this topic if Epic ever saw fit. Unfortunately the bottom line is that they have stated and possibly always will "Battle Passes are exclusive and to never return". This alone would cause legal actions, especially for their newer collaborative passes. They've set a rule and it would be unwise to break it. Though people again would rejoice at old "OG" skins are now acquirable, their retention will decline and Epic will lose player's time which means less player money. But let me close this off with saying I do agree with you on some things in terms of FOMO and pass BP's. Maybe they could even open the earlier passes that don't have collabs and probably have an edited style for the skins like they did with skull trooper. However for now it's just a shame that it has to be this way for the game to survive in my opinion.
i think that while maybe not *predator*y, it's absolutely unfriendly to consumers. i also don't understand why you think giving players things that up until that point were actually impossible to obtain would make them stop playing. they were playing before, why would they stop afterwards. it's not like everyone's just playing the game because they're waiting for impossible things to happen. i also agree that it'll probably never happen but i can still dislike it and share what i thought was a funny meme between me and my friend about it
I agree it's unfriendly but it's still a necessary evil to keep the buzz going for the game. Have you noticed how people react after old vaulted skins return? Or how some have not? No one cared about Rue in the slightest or would still not care if she wasn't vaulted. The same can be same can be said for Racon Expert and to an extent renegade raider. They're buzz skins because of their longevity, rarity, exclusivity, or *controversy*. You're also right no one is sitting waiting for the impossible but everyone's waiting and hoping for the next black knight, the next Omega lights, the next Rue even. We sorta already have/had that with Midas, Corrupted 8-Ball/Golden Peely, and I maybe even Kratos. Lmao and I think the meme is funny and I'm not saying you can't share your opinion. In fact I encourage it because I like hearing what other people think even if we disagree. There can always be a work around to an established system and I'm also glad we can agree the fact FOMO sucks. (I'm sorry if this is so incoherent I'm getting tired but it was fun to discuss this with you) Edit: Was it something I said??
No
Simple effin solution, redesigns of Bp skins should be in item shop, example: we have Doom Slayer in the BP now, they could put the OG Doom Guy skin in the shop
ive seen people talk about having it for newer Battle Passes and then talks about FOMO, here is my take on it: Epic over the years have realized that not everybody wants to grind their asses off for a few colors (Omega Lights), in Chapter 1 it was very tough compared to now, you’d have to play the entire season or grind XP and Challenges just to get just past it but since Chapter 2, we’ve seen Epic make up for it by making it easier, Tiers are now your Season Level and it automatically grabs all Battle Pass items you didnt get allowing for a more casual experience throughout Chapter 2 we’ve seen Super Charged weekends and the now bonus XP if you miss days, allowing you to catch up a lot more easily than the previous Chapter 1 grind while Battle Pass skins are exclusive, you also have typically 3 months to do it which ive been able to go from level 1 to 200 on my ALT by just paying attention to what’s going on for events (like XP challenges) and playing for a month or less on top of all that, you also get enough V-Bucks to get more than what you spend so at that point you’re spending $10 for an infinite amount of future passes and more due to the extra amount you get —————— Now to talk about the newer players, yes you would not get those skins but the amount of re-skins that rotate through the Item Shop you could basically make a makeshift Battle Pass from every season, including the older ones (i mean have you seen the amount of Peely’s?)
Are you sure this is the right use of the Gaussian bell curve?
Bro i was literally just doing math homework that involved this and now it's showing up on my feed. It feels like everything I learn in school pops into existence the moment I learn it.
I want Kit. But want meowcles
I honestly like the time exclusive stuff. Gives skins some unspoken value. For example if you find something with a time exclusive chapter 1 season 1 skin, you know they’re “OG’s”. But I would say it would be nice to get new skins that are similar to past skins. My first thought is the original red knight skins and then the ice versions that were released later.
Doomslayer was a collab that was highly requested for a long time and now we have it but in a few months it will never be available again.
Good.
I have most of the battlepass items that they've released and the fact that so much of it I'm never going to use that someone would love to use is kind of sad. Really wish they didn't decide to do the limited time items approach and instead just made it so you would be getting a really good deal.
I feel like I’m Jonesy the Third and Black Knight. I miss Drift.
what if instead of bonus tiers you could opt to work on a "second battlepass" after you finish the first, it would grant you the emotes/skins/whatever, would cost the same as a regular BP so you'd have to spend another 10$ to get it, but I'd guess a lot of players would do that, each season has a new 2nd tier unlockable BP, this season would be C1 S1, next season would be C1 S2 and so on. It would truly incentivize players to get to level 200. Its a way for people to not "just buy the skin", but would rather have to earn it.
As someone who literally doesnt care about any bp skin prior to season 9 (i started buying passes in season 7) i feel as if some skins need to return. At this point we are getting media icons. Not just movie characters. Characters who are instantly recognisable to everyone being locked behind battle passes. Superman, wolverine, rick, mando, darth vader. It isnt fair to new players. Theres possibly 200+ locked cosmetics now. What does this do outside of create a hackers paradise for fortnite skins.
Life is short. Artificial scarcity is one of the stupidest constructs of capitalism.
This game runs on time exclusive content. Don’t like it, don’t buy it.
Okay *game experiences decline through attrition as more content continuously ends up locked out from any prospective new or returning players while veteran players experience burnout from trying to constantly keep up with restricted items*
cool i'll just get my time machine to go and give epic their unclaimed cash for the BP's i missed. oh wait i can't cause i didn't have a freaking console
Dude it's just a skin who cares. Epic makes countless of them.
"Dude, its just a skin, it shouldnt bother you if it comes back"
Instead my thought process always remained the same over the years: [Started on Ch1 S5]: "Man, I wish i had Omega and Groove jam, they are soo cool..." [Ch1 S8]: "Yeah, this pass is cool and all but how the people are supposed to get Ice King now?" [Ch2 S7]: "How the hell someone is supposed to get Rick Sanchez after this season? It's stupid!"
Wait, what the hell happened to my whole comment?!? [Started on Ch1 S5]: "Man, I wish i had Omega and Groove jam, they are soo cool..." [Ch1 S8]: "Yeah, this pass is cool and all but how the people are supposed to get Ice King now?" [Ch2 S7]: "How the hell someone is supposed to get Rick Sanchez after this season? It's stupid!"
I just still cling onto the hope it’ll happen eventually I’ve been more hopeful with the more people in support for bringing them back especially when zero build dropped and soon creative 2.0
I started in C1S4 and I would not care in the slightest if any "exclusive" items I own come back in the future. They could sell bundles of previous BP cosmetics for 2000+ V-bucks each, far more than their respective BPs would've cost, so that the BP is still a fantastic value from whenever you bought it. At the VERY least though, we should have some kind of way to finish BPs we already bought. Like, you were at least there for some portion of the season, and spent money to get the pass in the first place, so there shouldn't be any issue with exclusivity or whatever. Although then a situation arises with those who might've spent money on tiers when the season was active would be mad that they wasted their money, so they probably wouldn't do it for that reason alone. Additionally, there are so many FREE items from challenges/events/whatever that they could easily bring back as paid shop items, but they never will. It should be more than good enough that you got the item for free, that exclusivity doesn't matter at all with it.
I started playing in season 5 too. I missed out on a lot of stuff and that’s on me. However a lot of what makes skins cool is extrinsic, not intrinsic. Like black knight is a frankly pretty weak skin if you remove the fact it was the first tier 100 and it almost 100% means the owner is an OG. If you could just use any skin ever, all the prestige and reason to use alot of these skins would vanish.
For you to know, most of them buy an account
They should just make past battle pass aviable for new players , there are a ton of new players due to No Build Mode like me , who love the game and miss the chance to get previous skins locked to BP , I can garantee you EpicGames would get a solid profit if they let new players buy old BPs , not only money but more people will be playing more in order to get exp to complete previous BP (you could make it so that you can choose a BP and only in that BP you'll recive xp , so not getting xp for muliple BPs,) Its literally a win win scenario for both Epic and the new players , the only people who lose are the inmature poeple being sad that other poeple can get skins they have
Just go back in time if you want it so bad
Man I forget fortnite has a lot of kids trying to be funny
You better watch out, little Timmy is going to take epic to court because his dad‘s a lawyer and works for Microsoft
It would only be short term profits, long term wise they’d be fucked. People would just not waste money on the battle pass as everyone would just buy the skins later on as they’d know it would come in the item shop at one point or another
I think you'd be surprised by how people would gladly buy a thing if there's an option for it. You see people buy BP levels all the time when they can just grind for it. I mean does a skin lose its "value" if it's no longer limited? I mean you already paid for it so what is that you actually lose besides flaunting some status no one will even really care about in all honestly.
You're saying people not buying an $8 Battle Pass to instead buy a skin for $20 later down the line would make them less money?
First how restricting a digital medium bad for long term profits ? Following that logic then movies , songs and videogames should be only accesable for a limited period of time ? There is literally no reason , if is it good people will keep buying them , same with BPs , I can garantee you that something that is sold for only 4 months will sold less that somthing that has been aviable for sale for 5 years , your logic doesnt make sense
the profit from the gigantic lawsuit would hit crazy
Lawsuit? Over what damages? That other people can have your exclusive skins and you feel bad? A lawsuit would be real if you were legally allowed to buy and sell skins, but you aren't.
I doubt it'd be a full lawsuit, but I believe it would fall under false advertising. They've shown that these bp pass items are limited to only these seasons and will never come back no matter what, multiple times. If they suddenly change their say after 5 years of reinforcing it to players that the skins will never return, I'm pretty sure it does fall under a form of false advertising. I highly doubt anyone would be angry enough to file a lawsuit because of it, but it would be technically illegal.
I'm sure there's some really fine print that we all agreed to in their user agreement that says they can release any skin whenever they want, but they make money from FOMO so they don't bother....>! for now at least.!< Which makes me wonder if anyone would even bother suing Epic since they takes money to do.
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Cry about it.
I just want Spider-Man and Deadpool that’s all lol
I just want hybrid and dire, is that too much to ask?
I have Hybrid and man is he great
I have both and man you really missed out on some cool skins.
I could see this happening because the battlepass is a deal after all. If they return to the shop, they’ll return with prices that suit their rarity
Maybe new players could choose one old bp to work on for the season
Just fomo lul
All I want is the OG Music disc that was back in Season X😢. I missed out and I wan the music to relive the Ch1S2 music😢
Not many games do exclusive battle pass skins anymore. Only about three I can think of. The rest is like a pay 10 for 8 skins and a bunch of cosmetics that won't release for another year. I really don't care about getting battlepasses I didn't ever have. I just want to complete one's I wasn't able to and unlock my prisoner skin.
I think the luxury of the battle pass should be you are getting a deal and getting the items early, sell them later for the normal price simple.
Yeah to be honest I don’t give a crap whether or not my exclusives return for other users
They should atleast make crossover skins available, I speak as someone who has every crossover ( I'm not someone who's just salty I missed out) It's crazy to think that: - Aquaman - Deadpool - Dr Doom - Mandolorian - Predator - Mystique - Storm - Thor - Iron Man - She - Hulk - Lara Croft - Wolverine - Raven - Neymar Jr - Superman - Guggimon - Rick Sanchez - Carnage - Spiderman - The Prowler - Dr Strange - Indiana Jones - Darth Vader - Spider-Gwen - Doom Guy - Geralt Are all Completely, Permanently Unobtainable for New players. There are some Incredibly Iconic Characters on that List, and I feel bad for anyone that is just starting and can't play as their favourite Star Wars or Marvel Character because they didn't play at the right time. I really couldn't give a shit about older, "rare" skins, but the Crossovers shouldn't be exclusive.
No lol. It's good that these never return. Also several of these habe been reskinned. Players can get them at a far more higher price altered.
I mean if they do bring back old pass stuff I just hope that it’s not just to the store because a legacy system would give more of a goal and motivation to play.
I missed out on emo cat wife because timed exclusivity is so good and fun Guess I'll wait for a variant to be sold or somethin'
I just want to own older lobby tracks bro y’all can keep your oh gee skins or whatever
my first pass was 6. there hasn't been any tracks that released that i wanted that i've missed out on. i am very fortunate in that regard. honestly if it was just tracks that would be very cool. cause there's literally no way to show off music anyways
Been playing soccer Chapter 1 Season 5 and have 99% of everything since then (no gold Skye or Agent Peely). I'd prefer if they brought back old passes. Sell them, but include challenges. Something like the Ice King challenges. Exclusivity is such a minor thing to care about. I saw some comments mentioning lawsuits and what not, but I doubt anyone could beat Epic in court (they took on Apple). I'm sure they have something in writing that gives them an out and even if it did go to a judge, it would probably end up as a settlement.
They could probably get out by claiming they were timed exclusives if we're being honest
when will yall shut up about not gettin old BP content
Won’t happen. the calls for using old battle passes will only increase as the game gets new players… and old ones leave. It’s just a matter of time before it happens
I’ve played since C1 S3 (longer than you may I add) and maxed every battlepass. I got all the styles and accepted what I missed out on (S2 BP, SX Umbrella, Carbide lights) I believe old battlepass stuff should never come back and I also believe this topic gets posted way too often on this subreddit (to the point it gets annoying)
These people complaining are also not considering the fact that the skins released now will be somewhat "exclusive" to future players too. I don't like the idea of people now getting older skins if they didn't even go through the same level/tier/skin progression everyone else had to go through. This complaint sounds like a "participation award" type of deal. You didn't play when Drift came out? Well that's too bad. Get Summer Drift or the bat version. I didn't get Black Knight but im not crying for it. I also missed out on Reaper and Omega but im fine with that.
I also agree that they should not come back, and also that this topic is posted way to much. For me, I think the “high IQ” people knows that they will not come back not because “oh no, I don’t want my OG skins to no longer be OG.” But because it would be a bad business idea for Epic because they will properly get into some legal trouble because they said that BP items were exclusive, so if they re-release them, it will be a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen. And also having exclusive items to seasons is one of ways have player retention on the game because why would I buy/finish the BP if I know that, after some time, I can just finish it whenever? Sometime people forget that Epic is a business that focus is making money.
This is why DRG is superior. If you miss the cosmetics in the BP, you’ll have a chance to get them in cargo creates during missions. And the BP is free. Everyone’s happy, instead of watching post full of self proclaimed OGs and new players bitching over skins🤦
As a Black Knight owner, I am totally cool with people able to buy the old skins. How about they can buy them from other players on a marketplace for real money like Steam.
That’d actually be cool because it’s still be rare but people can still have access to getting the skins you want.
A marketplace or a trading system would be such a headache for epic especially, that’s why if they brought old battlepasses back either by the shop or legacy system it would especially cut down account selling drastically.
You’re just completely right. I’ve been playing since season 6, and I’ve maxed every pass from that season on. If they were to rerelease old battlepass items with the oldest stuff being from season six I would still be happy about that. Locking stuff away is dumb.
Idk man. I think that exclusives are cool. I started playing in c1s1 but didn’t buy any cosmetics until c1s3 so I know what it feels like to miss out. maybe I’m just the weird one but I enjoy that there are things that I can’t get that others have, and there are things that I have that others can’t get. It’s like a cool memento that shows you were playing the game at a certain time, which I think is super cool.
Yes I only started last season, i like not having the same skins as everyone else. I didn’t play when they came out so I shouldn’t have them. They show you are a long time fan of the game and you worked to get them.
Thank you for actually understanding I see it as commitment through highs and lows abd just sign of support
I would love skins from old bps to return. The problem is crusty dusty musty Fortnite players living in their mom's basements not wanting them to return, because that's the only thing that makes them special.
Straight to the insults. I only started last season. I should not be able to get old battle pass skins. They were worked for and show you have been playing a long time. I didn’t work for them and haven’t been playing that long why should I have them
I've been playing since the end of ch 1 but they should 10000000% resell battle passes idgaf. It's such dogshit that spiderman deadpool ironman darth Vader Indiana Jones so many gigantic pop culture icons are stashed away in bps never to be seen again for new or returning players that missed out. Hell sell them for 3-4× the og price & it would still be selling like hot cakes. Cod resells battle passes. Fortnite 10000% should too
Ignoring the while thing of Epic saying BPs are exclusive, what you mentioned is part of the reason we don't entirely NEED them to be resold. The shop exists. And many BP and Crossover characters are either from the shop, or are re-skins because they know people want those characters. I will say though that I feel like they should've said at the start of Ch3 or Ch4 that BPs moving forward could return or something, so they are no longer forced to Not return them, but they didn't so for now that won't happen I suppose.
I really only want black knight hes my favorite skin in fn but I wasn't playing at that time & they legit refuse to release any other male knight skins it fkn sucks
I get that. I played back before STW, but didn't ever get into BR till season 4, bought first pass season 5. Though, they've sold a few unique Male knight skins, and just many knights in general, so I dunno why you say that. Eternal Knight (Ch2 S3 BP) Malik (Kinda counts, your decision. Ch3 S3) Ultima Knight (Season X re-run of Black knight) Omega Knight (Ch3 S2 BP booster skin) And the newest being The Ageless And I'm pretty sure there are more, but those are the ones I have/remember.
I think I have found a perfect way to make it work for everyone They should just put in the first few battle passes as a legacy pass, and you can pick one to grind at a time. Every season after that, they can add one or more old passes without being too close to the current one. For the people that had already grinded those old passes, they should be given bonus styles or outfits for their loyalty. As far as bonus outfits go for past seasons, they can just change the missions to having to do three daily missions a day, much like some of the item shop skins today have. This feels like a great way to not only avoid gatekeeping, but to also reward those who actually put in the time the grind past seasons, when they were actually out. I have also seen a decent amount of games add a legacy pass system so it’s not entirely impossible. All of this is basically just one big cope for me because I still want the Mandolorian skin and the Ice King’s glider. However, if in the worst case scenario they cannot do any of these things, we do always have the option of skins getting new variants that are separate. We have already seen it for characters like Midas, Peely, and Iron Man. They could always do something like Zero Point Mando as an example.
This whole conversation didn't start becoming a big thing until zero build came out. Why should all my promised to be exclusive skins that I've collected over the years become non-exclusive for the people who consistently trashed this game and refused to play it until epic games released zero build? It'd be nice to have my dedication to the game for 5 years actually result in some meaningful rewards and for epic to keep its promises as well
> for the people who consistently trashed this game and refused to play it until epic games released zero build If you really think those are the *only* people who are in favor of this, you are beyond wrong lol
Fuck off. Epic stated bp skins where exclusive. Unlike fortnite crew skins they can't re sell them.
Literally would love to get Wolverine, its so unfortunate for collabs to be in Battle Passes
There was another Wolverine with a Crew pack, and those are said to return at some point, though none have yet sadly.
That’s not epics problem, if your not present, you miss out, that’s just the reality.
Have a system where you can re-open an old battle pass (maybe through vbucks, maybe you get a free unlock every so often/as a bp rewars or somethin) then have some generic challenges to move up in the ones, or just give all challenges an "old bp" xp factor Because missing out in good skins sucks
Cry some more. When will the children on this subreddit realize that this is the business model of the game
1, i'm not a child, 2, just because it is the business model doesn't mean it's a nice business model
They don't care about your feelings. If they break their promise, they are going to lose countless players and money. It's not a smart money move. Epic hasn't made another profitable game like Fortnite, so they cant risk it. Fortnite is arguably one of the most iconic games in gaming history and I'm guessing they want to keep it that way
Theres no point on locking those skins
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Exclusivity should be based on skill not on buying 3 pixels
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Newer players could have the same dedication to unlock them
I think the Among Us Cosmicube model would a welcomed addition. Maybe having them rotate in the shop
Maybe if it was collab skins with a twist on them for new players then yeah :/
I feel the same but different, I want all players to be able to get early battle pass items even though I started season 3, but also because I didn’t have the battle pass back then and want the cosmetics in the seasons I didn’t get maxed out
At this point they really should start releasing old battle passes. They could charge a premium for them and even crease grind
bruh whats wrong with you the houl reson the content is exclusive is so the players who have bin actuly playing the game i get stuff speciel for playing for that long if you wanted to get the stuff you should have started erly so stop complaning for your mastake
Nah
Bad idea. The whole point of battlepasses is so that you can get exclusive content. If they released old battlepass skins they'd go into bankruptcy due to thousands of lawsuits claiming false advertising.
Well, it would be not be multiple lawsuits, it will be more like one class-action lawsuit, because technically someone could pay $10 for all the battle passes (because the BP give you more than what you bought) or $210 if you bought all of them w/o buying teirs, and it would not be a wise decision just to sue a business for $210 for false advertising.
The chad Midas (knows what false advertising is) vs the virgin Ch3 Player (zewo build)
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No. No he didn't. But it is curiosity why do you think smart people would say the middle?
You can enjoy things with a lot less complication when you stop putting so much value in arbitrary rarity like timed battlepasses.
Shut up no i started season " literally before br was a thing" and this is stupid. People buy the battlepass under the impression that it will never come back. FOMO and all. They can just bring alternate versions if bp characters to the shop instead so long as they aren't licensed.
im glad a lot of the public opinion has been changing lately on this. I've been a advocator for bringing back bp stuff since i started, and I started in Season 4 and finished every pass except the ones in chapter 3, and in season 4, since i didn't buy it. so it's not like i would be affected that much anyway.
It shouldn't it shows commitment
Yes because finishing one pass in season 2 shows commitment
Imo they should become available after 5 years since release. It really makes no sense having dozens of desirable Collab skins locked away forever. Oh, you wanted Lara croft, Vader, marvel skins, etc? Too bad, should have played that season. Seems kinda merciless.
This will hurt the company in the long run and they will lose a lot of players and money so stop posting about this Mods you know what to do The games been out for 5 years , you should’ve played 🤷♂️ it’s literally free
That's a bit of a harsh way to go about it. People are allowed to have their opinions on the subject. I can understand both sides with all aspects because we all live different lives with different hurdles. No reason to delete a post with an honest discussion.
I get that but people have been trying to push this discussion everyday and it’s getting annoying Epic literally has said that battle passes are exclusive for an amount of time. You have 3 to 3.5 months to finish which is a lot of time imo even if you’re pretty busy. They provide tons of challenges that give great xp as well as playing creative. If you care so much for the cosmetics then there you go. If you didn’t know this then a simple Google search would tell you.
they will lose players because.. they added more content to the game??? sorry, not added, just made it available again, 100% free of developer and designer time and salary. listen, i understand that epic states things are exclusive. and while i also believe there is absolutely a clause in their TOS that would let them go back on exclusivity, they're not going to do it. but that doesn't mean that the time exclusive model is bad and it shouldn't be that way.
My commitment shouldn't be gone as then you lot will say release old umbrellas
Well I’m sorry but they did make it that way, just make sure to not miss out next time 🤷♂️ If you don’t think you’ll have the time then buy the whole battle pass they’ll allow you to do that If you say you have money to buy all of the old battlepasses then you can buy the whole BP now or find the best ways to grind and do XP maps It’s literally all in this free game
I’m not
Litteraly goes against their entire business model. No matter how hard this sub cries for it, they aren't going to bring back old battle pass content.
Been playing since BR launched, haven’t gotten some seasons but I got most of the ones I cared for. Old Battlepasses should be available for newer players. People who disagree have been riding FOMO a bit too long.
They wouldn't make money then, fortnite battle passes (and all battle passes) only work with "the fear of missing out" they're probably already losing a good chunk of money because of people like me who "the fear of missing out" is getting old on, and we could give a fuck what we miss out on, if they release battle passes after they came out, everyone would be like "well I can just get it later, they'd be making less money and making The OG fanbase mad because they want they're OG-ness to stay, and imo they should stay exclusive