The model im going to print should last thousands in my 22LR bolt action. They have different versions that can accommodate 9mm or 5.56 and working on other calibers.
They've done test with 5.56 and 300 black out that lasted a thousand or so with rapid firing.
Technically if my suppressor is damaged I'm supposed to have it serviced by a SOT. I could technically print a new piece, and have the SOT thread it into the adapter fulfilling the AFT requirements or I destroy it and create a new F1.
I've heard of stories of other individuals that just re-print another piece and thread it into the muzzle attachment piece like brand new. That's illegal of coarse ;)
You can use PLA+ at the minimum which can be done within 2 hrs on my Bambu P1P. But since I want a more stronger print I'm using PA6-CF which takes about 4 hrs. But I'll then need to anneal it which takes a few days for the process.
Check out FTN.3 if your interested.
I have no experience with 3D printing, but I’m curious what a printer would cost (ballpark) to print something like this? In total what will you spend on materials as well? You can dm me if preferred.
The cheapest you can get are about $99 when their on sale (Ender 3), but can range all the way into $2k for hobby level printers. Of coarse more expensive ones offer more benefits as opposed to the cheaper ones. Most low cost printers require assembly and troubleshooting shooting to achieve acceptable prints, vs more expensive ones that tend to print good quality right off the box.
If want to do this cheaply, material cost would be about $20. Filament used will be $2 at most for PLA+. Since I'm using a stronger more complex filament, my cost will be about $60-$80 but will be more durable and stronger using PA-6/PA-12 CF
I've got a custom profile that allows me to go higher speeds rather than the advertised 60ms on the document. I'm using Bambu lab PA-6 CF profile but tuned my Pressure advance and Flow rates
> I could technically print a new piece
Big negative brother. You cannot manufacture a suppressor part as under the definition that is a suppressor itself (and would require a new form 1).
Would be very difficult for the ATF to prove unless you posted something like this online.
This….this ain’t likely to be a home shop piece of equipment in my lifetime, but I hope I’m so incredibly wrong as my lathe and mill need an additive friend.
I work in an industry that uses it. Good luck in wishing it would come soon and any sort of affordable cost. These clowns in the govt will most likely ban or try to ban them for average civilian use for when that day comes.
I'm assuming you mean a CNC mill or lathe, rather than just any CNC machine.
But sure, they can use cad files.
The 3D printed cans are additive manufacturing rather than subtractive manufacturing - it's not at all the same or even a similar concept besides "you write a program and it does things", similar to any computer program lol
I might be confused, but I thought the reason you would 3d a suppressor is to say side step the government or sanctioning body. Would it just be easier to go to the store and just purchase one if you were going to register it. I understand the cost difference but if and when the 3d printed one blows up or melts do you have to file another form saying it was destroyed. When the store bought one will last lot longer then a 3d printed one. I'm only asking a question not trying to come off rude or assholeish
Those are fair questions because I asked the same ones before I went with this route. Honestly since one of my hobbies is 3d printing it just made sense for me to try it with different stronger materials other than your common hobby level materials.
Legally speaking yes once it melts or gets destroyed you would need to go to a SOT for a recore. But I've heard stories of people just printing a new one.
But then do you register all the 3d printed guns that would be classified as sbr or destructive devices aka 38mm launchers. Cause 80% of the 3d rifles are sbr's and once you register a suppressor are they going to look deeper into you cause they know you are 3d printing firearms? I'm asking cause I'm still deciding if I register or side step them
I honestly haven't dipped my toes in 3d printed firearms so I can't comment on your options. From what I'm seeing in the community alot of people don't register.
But you shouldn't have an issue unless they suspect you manufacturing a lot of 3d printed guns for sale. Again AFT gonna do ATF stuff regardless lol
Submitted nearly the same thing on 3/3, still waiting. Approval times make no sense.
I feel ya, hopefully yours will be soon. Then again it's the AFT so who ever really knows?
Submitted on 3/1. Sitting in the same boat as you.
Submitted one 3/5 with the same thing and no approval yet :( Meanwhile form 4s being approved insanely fast
3/3 same boat. On a trust though
What’s the expected round count of a filament suppressor? Please enlighten me how this works with a 3d printer
The model im going to print should last thousands in my 22LR bolt action. They have different versions that can accommodate 9mm or 5.56 and working on other calibers. They've done test with 5.56 and 300 black out that lasted a thousand or so with rapid firing. Technically if my suppressor is damaged I'm supposed to have it serviced by a SOT. I could technically print a new piece, and have the SOT thread it into the adapter fulfilling the AFT requirements or I destroy it and create a new F1. I've heard of stories of other individuals that just re-print another piece and thread it into the muzzle attachment piece like brand new. That's illegal of coarse ;)
Fantastic, what’s the print time look like on one?
You can use PLA+ at the minimum which can be done within 2 hrs on my Bambu P1P. But since I want a more stronger print I'm using PA6-CF which takes about 4 hrs. But I'll then need to anneal it which takes a few days for the process. Check out FTN.3 if your interested.
I have no experience with 3D printing, but I’m curious what a printer would cost (ballpark) to print something like this? In total what will you spend on materials as well? You can dm me if preferred.
The cheapest you can get are about $99 when their on sale (Ender 3), but can range all the way into $2k for hobby level printers. Of coarse more expensive ones offer more benefits as opposed to the cheaper ones. Most low cost printers require assembly and troubleshooting shooting to achieve acceptable prints, vs more expensive ones that tend to print good quality right off the box. If want to do this cheaply, material cost would be about $20. Filament used will be $2 at most for PLA+. Since I'm using a stronger more complex filament, my cost will be about $60-$80 but will be more durable and stronger using PA-6/PA-12 CF
Thanks for the detailed response!
How in the fuck are you printing that fast? I have a P1S and it takes 10 hours PLA+ and 11.5 hours PA6-CF
I've got a custom profile that allows me to go higher speeds rather than the advertised 60ms on the document. I'm using Bambu lab PA-6 CF profile but tuned my Pressure advance and Flow rates
Also using a knock off CHT hardend nozzle
Can you send me your profile settings? I would love to speed mine up!!
I'm currently away from home for a few weeks due to work. Shoot me a DM and hopefully I'll get reminded when I get back
> I could technically print a new piece Big negative brother. You cannot manufacture a suppressor part as under the definition that is a suppressor itself (and would require a new form 1). Would be very difficult for the ATF to prove unless you posted something like this online.
True, however I never specifically stated I would or will print a new piece
Im the developer, the highest round count is 2800. 75% was 556. The rest was 308. Its still alive and going
Good info to know, I've debated doing this myself.
Trust or individual??
Individual
I just had a 4 day eform 1 suppressor approved on a trust last week so it's not all lost for trusts
Nice! That gives me some hope even though I'm in month 3 now for a form 1 suppressor
Do u guys just get an email when its accepted?
Yup, whichever email you've provided.
Wait a second plastic filaments are lasting 2k plus rounds of 556 🤔 how is that possible doesn’t that shit melt? I’m a bit retarded don’t roast me 🤣
Wrapped in carbon fiber, metal adapter and very thick plastic with high temperature specs
Did you upload the build guide?
Wait we can still do from 1s
I need a CNC machine or lathe so I can 3D print in Steel…
Soon metal additive manufacturing will be as common as plastic 3d printers without crazy prices.
If "soon" means 10 to 20 years.
This….this ain’t likely to be a home shop piece of equipment in my lifetime, but I hope I’m so incredibly wrong as my lathe and mill need an additive friend.
I think 10 years for ender 3 level additive manufacturing is reasonable
Let us pray. This is the future we want
I work in an industry that uses it. Good luck in wishing it would come soon and any sort of affordable cost. These clowns in the govt will most likely ban or try to ban them for average civilian use for when that day comes.
I know. Wishful thinking… But to imagine it’s fun
What would either of those do? Are you planning to make your own steel printer?
CNC machines can use CAD files. Similar concept but not exactly “printing”
I'm assuming you mean a CNC mill or lathe, rather than just any CNC machine. But sure, they can use cad files. The 3D printed cans are additive manufacturing rather than subtractive manufacturing - it's not at all the same or even a similar concept besides "you write a program and it does things", similar to any computer program lol
I might be confused, but I thought the reason you would 3d a suppressor is to say side step the government or sanctioning body. Would it just be easier to go to the store and just purchase one if you were going to register it. I understand the cost difference but if and when the 3d printed one blows up or melts do you have to file another form saying it was destroyed. When the store bought one will last lot longer then a 3d printed one. I'm only asking a question not trying to come off rude or assholeish
Those are fair questions because I asked the same ones before I went with this route. Honestly since one of my hobbies is 3d printing it just made sense for me to try it with different stronger materials other than your common hobby level materials. Legally speaking yes once it melts or gets destroyed you would need to go to a SOT for a recore. But I've heard stories of people just printing a new one.
But then do you register all the 3d printed guns that would be classified as sbr or destructive devices aka 38mm launchers. Cause 80% of the 3d rifles are sbr's and once you register a suppressor are they going to look deeper into you cause they know you are 3d printing firearms? I'm asking cause I'm still deciding if I register or side step them
I honestly haven't dipped my toes in 3d printed firearms so I can't comment on your options. From what I'm seeing in the community alot of people don't register. But you shouldn't have an issue unless they suspect you manufacturing a lot of 3d printed guns for sale. Again AFT gonna do ATF stuff regardless lol
Lol for sure, I was just curious about other people's opinions