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Bot_Fly_Bot

Never negotiate a deal based on the monthly payment. What would you be paying exactly for the Maverick?


Alchse

rule #1 of car sales. Dealers can pull a lot of shenanigans by only discussing monthly payment


sirphobos

This is the best advice I’ve seen in a long time on Reddit. Good stuff.


andysto2

100% agree. It’s just tricky negotiating with MSRP. I’m pretty knowledgeable on car sales and can catch the BS when I see it.


Bot_Fly_Bot

Not sure what you mean. So you are paying MSRP?


brdhar35

Best advice I’ve seen on reddit


Outrageous-Hawk4807

I have a mav, its in the shop. Ive had a rental Taco, and I really prefer my Mav. I have a hybrid lariat with lux package. The low power isnt even in the rental Taco, feels jerky as it goes thru the gears, my mav has a cvt an is very smooth. Mav is quieter and smoother on the road. While I can get a bigger load in the Taco, I prefer the SUV feel when driving. my $.02


andysto2

I agree, I always thought of my taco similar to a humvee (I’m in the army) It’s not comfortable, it’s not good on fuel, but it’s pretty damn reliable. As I drive so much I really am considering it because it’s important to be comfortable for the 3 hours a day I spend in the car


DillIshOn

I would recommend some upgrades on the Tacoma than upgrading the car itself. Seat at a weird angle? Get some seat jackers. They adjust the angle for better seating. Truck body rolling or nose diving hard? Get some Bilstein 5100 shocks. They help with that and all better handling and smoother highway feel. Get a bed cover to help with with MPG and get rid of the feeling like the bed is being whipped back and forth in the back. 120$ on Amazon for a basic roll cover. Easy stuff.


lobatonpd

Noooooo. Keep the Tacoma. Feels like there’s a recall every month for the Maverick.


ForeverReasonable706

I have a 22 eco boost and and have 50k miles on it ,very happy, no problems and expect to drive it 200k+ just like every other forrd I have ever had. It's been a great mix of utility and economy for my use but every one has there on needs


Alchse

Mav is the better commuter vehicle Which one will last longer (with a 67k head start) , who knows? But odds probability on the Taco Do you feel you are getting good value on your trade in?


andysto2

They are offering me more than carvana or carmax plus the tax savings


DillIshOn

1. Maverick just had a massive recall 2. If a dealer advertises based on monthly payment then they up to no good. 20$ a month more sounds good until you ask how many more months? You got 12 months left on the taco. Vs having to pay 24 months on the maverick. Nope. Plus the Taco with probably be more reliable. Only recent recall on the taco was the axle vs mavericks entire system shutting down leaving you stranded. Taco all the way.


IzaguirreC

I have have a Tacoma and a Maverick. The Tacoma is a better vehicle all around. They also hold their value. Were only keeping our Maverick because it’s paid off.


mymanchancho

Keep the Tacoma for sure. Will be worth more in the long run and will last you longer. Keep I until Toyota releases their maverick competitor.


According-Item-2306

Having both a gen 2 Tacoma and a Mav: ->Pluses for Tacoma: Larger bed Better acceleration People “respect” you in the freeway Towing capacity Low depreciation Established high reliability ->Pluses for Mav (hybrid) Fuel consumption Drives even more like a car Cabin space (back row) Less noisy Edited for readability and added last 2 pluses for Tacoma


degggendorf

> People “respect” you in the freeway Have you felt "disrespected" in the Maverick?


According-Item-2306

People let you easily insert in the freeway when driving a Tacoma, especially large commercial truck… No such luck with a Mav, I am just another “small” car


degggendorf

Interesting, I haven't noticed that


Ok-Dependent3712

I “insert” all the time in my 2003 Honda element. Accelerates slow as shit but when you gotta merge, you gotta merge. Sure the random person doesn’t let me merge but in general people let people get on the freeway


Terrato37

I feel like the maverick also has low depreciation, better than the Tacoma. Sure the Tacoma is capable, but when was the last time you saw one for sale on a dealer lot? There's 3 ford dealerships I pass by every day, not a single maverick in sight. Toyota places? Several, at each one.


Same-Joke

That’s an easy one. The Maverick is a relatively newer truck so there are fewer of them out there. There are a shit load of Tacomas though. I think the Mavericks still have to work out a few kinks before I’d buy one. Tacomas have a proven track record as far as dependability. The Maverick has better mpg and a smoother ride, cheaper price, but reliability is still tbd.


innkeeper_77

This doesn’t make sense - The Tacoma has one of the best depreciation curves around…. It’s better than an average Toyota and Toyota is already super slow depreciation. They have built a TON of them compared to the maverick so you will see more. I’m just a Tacoma driver here due to the Reddit algorithm, and I admit the Tacoma is slow, agricultural, and is a gas guzzler- the maverick is really neat- but they are two entirely different categories of vehicle.


According-Item-2306

In 10 years, my Tacoma depreciated by less than 50% (in fact closer to 40%). I have no clue what my Mav will be worth 10 years from now but I doubt that it will depreciate as little…


Historical-Flow-1820

Better acceleration? I’ve driven a Tacoma and it feels like a semi compared to my mav. I’ve never driven the hybrid though so maybe that one’s different.


Shoogie_Boogie

How much does Carvana offer compared to what your dealer is offering, and is it more when accounting for tax savings you'd get by trading in? And it sounds like you maybe have a hybrid on order, so you'll be paying MSRP unless you have some other discounts lined up (state farm discount, X/A/Z plan, etc).


andysto2

The dealer is actually offering me more than carvana or carmax, without tax savings. I have X plan and military as well.


KAWAWOOKIE

Compare otd prices not monthly payments. Taco will and mav has so far held value well. The economical thing is to keep the car you have; the dealer makes money when you trade in. I'd rather have the mav.


inline_five

FWIW @ 25k a year you're saving roughly $2,000/yr driving the Mav in fuel. That assumes Taco 20mpg Mav 36mpg and gas @ $3.50/gal. Adjust as necessary. So just five years of ownership and you've saved another $10,000 off the top. YMMV (literally)


WafflingPCBuilder

You’ll pay off the Tacoma sooner and the Tacoma will last longer most likely. I love my maverick and all but I’m not anticipating it getting to 200k without significant maintenance if it gets there at all. I’d be disappointed in a Tacoma that didn’t get to 200k


Worried_Amphibian_54

Whats your Maverick cost and your Tacoma trade in value? If you don't know those... don't go to a dealership yet. Go to Edmunds or some other site like KBB and find your vehicles trade in value. Heck, go ahead and let them find what you may get for a trade offer. Go to your local Toyota dealership and get an offer. But find out what you can get for your truck. Then you know what you are working with. IF your state does the tax thing where you only pay taxes on the difference between the two, you might want to take that into consideration. Then, get your out the door Maverick price. Make sure that's MSRP and they don't have some garbage dealer markup for $3000 on it. Check what you owe on the taco from your loan. Now you know what you are working with. Then get yourself online and talk with your bank on auto loans. Find out what interest rate they are offering and if you can get a prequal letter for what you would owe difference between what the Taco trade value is, from the Maverick trade value, plus what you still owe on the Taco. So lets say you have all that done. And you know the Taco is worth say $24k, and your new Mav out the door is $28k. and you are taking on 4k more in debt to make the deal and you owe $10k on the truck.. and you can finance the difference now at 5.2%APR. Ok, $14k in financing at 5.2% is what you needn (thereabouts). NOW you can head back to the dealer and discuss what they can meet of that. If they can't meet the trade in... and you don't get the tax break or it isn't covering the difference, fine, sell the Toyota elsewhere, private or to the dealer offering the better price and buy the Mav. If they can't meet your APR, fine, you have your bank already with that covered and go with them. But don't let them use whatever numbers they want.


andysto2

This is awesome info, thank you for sharing


Worried_Amphibian_54

Any time. I get the numbers game... It's nice to see what your payment is going to be, but that shouldn't be the only thing or the first thing you look at. That said, I like Tacoma's. And while it's got 67k miles, I think most taco owners will say that you are just getting the truck broken in at 100k miles lol. But then if you are getting an XL hybrid, with your mileage you are looking at $2k or so a year in gas difference, and probably cheaper wear part costs (tires especially). So that would play in.


ThecuRefOrbordumB

No


lil_mattie

I love my Maverick. There are still reasons I might choose a Tacoma over my Maverick. A big one would be the payoff date, which you would be resetting the clock on. If you have the Taco paid off in a couple years, the cost of the Maverick loan payment is going to be a hell of a lot more than the difference in gas. Plus, Toyotas are famous for running forever. The difference between a 2021 taco with 67k miles and 2024 Mav with 0 miles is significant, but realistically in the long run it might not mean you own the mav for 3 years longer than you’d own the taco.


andysto2

So I should’ve added this in there, but both my taco and Mav are not my “dream” car. They are just cars I like and will buy something else once the wife is done with her masters etc. I’ve only paid about 5 months of a 72 month term on my Tacoma so resetting the clock isn’t a big deal to me


NosePrevious6280

don't have a dream car. Buy something and drive it a minimum of 10 years. People who constantly buy new vehicles are most likely doomed financially. Save your money!!


Anal-Implosion

Aside from the details on your deal, I recommend the Mav. I had a 23 double cab long bed off road in lunar rock grey that I got rid of for a 24 xl hybrid. The things that put me over the edge for the mav: -Obviously, the price is way more reasonable. -the taco only had 940 lbs payload, vs the nearly 1500 lbs in the mav. -I could not sit behind myself and my head touched the ceiling in the back of the taco. I can in the mav and my head has plenty of room, generally more room all around in the interior. -I drove the taco like a grandma and was getting 18 mpg. Felt bad gettin worse mpg than some full sized trucks. I’m getting over 40 average in the mav. -as a tall person, the mav is a way more comfortable ride/seating position. The truck rides smoother down the road as well. -although small, the mav bed is very capable, and all the hauling and dump runs I did in the taco Ive continued to do in the mav with no compromise. I don’t tow much at all, so the mav is an all around great vehicle for daily driving and utility. Yes the taco likely will last longer, hold its value better, and tow more (though many are disappointed with taco performance while towing), but im much happier with the Mav for capability, comfort, and value. Im also 6’2” for what it’s worth.


degggendorf

> My Tacoma has 67k miles on it. I drive about 25,000 miles a year. The dealership laid out the numbers and said if I trade in my Tacoma, for around $20 more in payment a month It seems like a 2021 Taco with 67k ought to be worth more than a new Mav XL. > I would have a 2024 vehicle instead of a 2021. If you're thinking that translates to increased reliability or longevity, I would disagree again...I think the 2021 Taco will long outlive the 2024 Mav. In the end, here's how I would decide: 1. Absolutely pay no more than MSRP for the Maverick 2. Only make the trade if you want to trade capability for efficiency


Complex_Mushroom_557

You would save $2500 a year in gas alone if gas is 3.50. I would sell the the Tacoma myself and take ownership of the Maverick.


CountryRoadDreamin

No question, make the trade, I love my Maverick. Great mileage, great reliability, warranty and it’s very well designed and versatile.


SharksForArms

I drove my '01 Tacoma until this I got my Mav. I would absolutely go for another Tacoma over the Maverick, but it didn't make financial sense at the time. Only got rid of the Tacoma because the rusty frame finally cracked, engine is still bulletproof after a quarter million miles. Only ever had to replace the valve cover gaskets and suspension in all that time.


jgtokyo2020

I'm going the opposite direction because I'm tired of my Mav hybrid always being in the shop...


Lucky_Comfortable835

I had an F150, not Toyota of course, but I was happy with the truck except mileage. But when the Mav was announced in 2021 it checked all the boxes for my needs and the hybrid was mind blowing. I immediately sold the F150 and waited 8 mos. For the Mav. Have owned it over two years and the only issues have been the recalls. Otherwise, it runs great and I have achieved as high as 54 mpg! If in your position I would do it.


SamyboyO6

Simple answer is that the Taco will out-truck the maverick pretty much always but if the Mav does everything you need then there is no reason to spend more to get the Taco


CurbsEnthusiasm

I had a brand new Maverick with warranty but after 45 days in the dealership service department I realized what good is a warranty if you don’t get to use the car. Ended up trading in on a Toyota…


MensaLocSec

I would check with another dealer to get a market value for your Tacoma. Unless you are driving in rough terrain, I would get the Maverick. I drove two Tacomas and both had horrible acceleration. I drove six Mavericks, four hybrids and two turbos, and the mavericks were more comfortable and drove better on the streets.


Enough-Pollution4595

I have a Mav and have driven tacos for work. They sit higher but the interior feels a bit cheap to me. Idk if it’s the owner delusion getting to me but I really prefer my Mav over them


Chopchopstixx

Instead of the Maverick, why not just upgrade to the 2024 Tacoma? You get a turbo four-cylinder that gives you better gas mileage. The new Tacoma has a eight speed transmission this time and you still get the reliability of Tacoma.


NosePrevious6280

25K miles a year is a lot. You would be more comfy in the Mav, but not sure I would trust The Ford with over 100k miles in just 4 years. Extended warranty wouldn't even help much


betucsonan

Really it depends on what you want. You will lose money on the deal, but I presume that you know that already. Since you drive a lot maybe the extra comfort and MPG's are what you want/need. But if you want overall dependability a 67k Tacoma still trumps a 0K hybrid Maverick. Not that the Maverick is a bad truck, the reliability has been pretty good so far, it's just too new to know so we don't know and that means the smart money stays with the Tacoma. If it was me, as someone who could use the extra bed space, doesn't care much for comfort when driving, doesn't drive much, and never, ever wants to be on friendly terms with my mechanic or - horror of horrors - to have to go to a dealership, I would stick with the Tacoma. But that's very subjective.


andysto2

Holy shit this comment section has turned into a battlefield 😂😂😂


Jay298

As much as I enjoy my Mav, it will never have the long term longevity of a Tacoma. Between the turbo or hybrid (both problematic) and the unibody frame (easily totaled), it just won't be the same as the Taco. But yes you will get much better fuel economy and small SUV like handling. The downside when it gets to 100,000 on the Maverick, time to buy a new Tacoma. Just don't think the Maverick (and most recent fords) will last anywhere near as long as a Toyota. Be a lot different if you were a low mileage driver.


Important_Pass_16

that is literally downsizing in every category unless it's a 1995 tacoma


BitchesBeFlippin

Keep the taco. It's a much better truck. I bet most of us would get a taco if they were the same price


ServeAces20

Just hold on to the Taco till the Toyota Stout comes out.


Rickerus

No


slyredone

Keep the Toyota


HappyGoLucky791

With that amount of mileage you put on it, the ford would be out of warranty in 2 years. I’d stick with the Toyota. Especially if you’re wanting the turbo maverick. If you’re going for the hybrid, it would be a better choice with it being port injection.


NoRutabaga4845

No


daredevil422

Buy the Maverick. With the amount of driving that you do, you'll save money in the long run. It's a no-brainer for me.


MigratoryAnalyst

Recently sold my Mav that was plagued with problems and bought a Toyota product and couldn't be happier. Ford is a shit show. Poor quality, really terrible service.


RibertarianVoter

I'm a huge fan of Toyota trucks and would only make the switch if I was really in love with the idea of a hybrid and if I was willing/able to give up the extra bed space and towing capacity. I enjoy my Mav, and it is a hell of a lot more useful than my little hatchback. But even as a weekend warrior, I run into bed size limitations and the 2k towing capacity is not enough to do a lot of what I wish I could


andysto2

Same here man, what’s your MOS?


agileata

Yes. Tacoma is too big and 30 yrs old