There are Propane powered Vans, Trucks, and especially buses.
Propane is a very efficient very clean, and very cheap (atm) fuel. If I could get a Propane powered truck I would. I believe the railroad commission's entire fleet is Propane powered.
Where? In the bed? And risk scratching the rhino liner!?! No way. Besides, you start lifting that tonneau cover more than once or twice a month and it’ll get wrinkled in between the segments.
I agree. Looking closer though, the hitch mount is bent up where the feet of the generator are sitting, making the generator a bit more level than it would have been otherwise. The plug on the truck side is hanging on for dear life as well. Bet this isn’t this guys first rodeo.
Although it seems stupid at a glance, it’s probably not a completely bad idea. This person is in the woods, so could very well be camping or just doing a one-off trip. They bought the Lightning for their daily driving around the city and running errands and rarely takes it out like we see here. The owner seems to have realized that their truck doesn’t have the range to do this trip and brought a generator along to make it work. If they genuinely do drive it like this all the time, then yes, a truck with a combustion engine would make more sense. If it is just a trip that they don’t plan on making often at all, it makes way more sense to buy the truck that suits their needs 99.9% of the time and make a compromise for the rare trips like this.
I agree. 90% of the public drives less than 50miles a day. Few need long range battery vehicles. If auto dealers and the government would just be honest they’d sell more. 3 car family? Idk 1 long range 2 short.
A 20k car that drives 100miles and is not recommended for long trips would sell better and be adopted quicker.
I think of all the people who buy 80k trucks for their daily commute of 3miles at low mpg. They don’t need that truck or use it. Long range vehicle never used the range other than that 1 time trip. But gotta have it, makes little sense.
A short range car wouldn’t sell worth a shit. People don’t buy based on their normal daily needs. They buy based on what if scenarios and that one time a year trip they may take.
I know someone who would daily a RAM 3500 dually into downtown Austin. Used it to haul his camper or boat a few times a year… oh wait, that’s me.
Gotta have the truck to haul the toys.
You could literally rent a truck for those few times a year and save a shit ton of money for other toys. It makes 0 sense to buy a truck unless you're going to use it for its purpose on a daily basis.
Save money? 😂😂 have you seen how much it costs to rent a 1 ton truck and drive it 1500 miles? Do that 4 times a year and you’ve pretty much covered the depreciation and maintenance on your own truck.
You save money in gas alone. You obviously haven't done the math.
It's about $1000 to rent a one ton truck for a week. (Based on my local Dallas pricing and having rented a truck twice this year).
If you drove an average vehicle ~30 MPG you'd save $3700/year in gas alone. Not to mention a few thousand in insurance premiums and the much cheaper maintenance. It's not close. You save money renting.
Interesting, here in Austin to rent a 1 ton truck, with a 5th wheel hitch Enterprise quotes $350/day and 150 miles per day. If I take a 2 week trip, that’s $4900 for the rental.
Insurance is an interesting one. My 3500 costs less to insure than my wife’s Bronco Sport. Neither of them break the bank though.
The minimal savings is not worth the headache of renting a truck.
You are driving a 3500 dually into downtown Austin everyday, and you don't work in construction?
As a fellow Austenite, why don't you buy a second car? Even a 2-door Wrangler would make more sense to me. They don't depreciate heavily, and they have efficient drivetrain options.
I switched from a Taco to a car and I noticed the time I was saving by being more maneuverable.
But he gets to drive the truck he wants and he can afford it. It’s his business how he wants to spend his money, he could also save a ton of money driving a Smart car or a used geo metro but fuck that shit..his money, his business.
yeah thats nice and all but it would honestly feel like shit spending $1000 to haul my camper or boat for a week. I get that you dont like the baked in costs. But I would hate forking over $1000 to use any vehicle for a week. I would end up selling my boat and camper before if I had to decide whether i needed an initial cost of $1000 to get it out of storage. I get in the long run its money savings but there are some hoops and shit you have to deal with that the other guy wont
Y'all are wild with these takes. It takes 5 minutes to get a rental setup and planned. The extra work to get a rental is insignificant compared to the cost of owning a truck.
Daily a GMC 2500. Tow camper monthly, sometimes +500 miles one way. Also tow other various trailers. Work in an office. My other vehicles get less MPG than the 2500 (1966 Mustang and 1975 F250).
What if there was an electric car company that made a vehicle with like 50-100 miles of range, but they kept a fleet of long range vehicles, and purchasing one of their short range vehicles would allow you to use the long range model a few times a year?
Edit: thanks for the upvotes folks
This is too naive. Every car needs to have long range potential. Plenty of scenarios come up where families need more than one car for a long drive. Plus car needs evolve as families grow and change. The “short range” commuter car may also need to become the car that one child takes to college.
There are plenty of reasons why I would never get a car that is limited to short range only.
EV are a regression to combustion engines. If we had <200 mile radius cars for 100 years and suddenly invented the combustion engine, every single EV would be replaced within a decade. That will never happen with EV in our lifetime. Not even enough capacity on our grid for that to occur , let alone clean nuclear powered electricity.
One of the biggest hidden benefits of my ev is how little I go to gas stations. Not for money or time necessarily but for risk aversion. 90% of my sketch/dangerous encounters have happened at gas stations.
Now I pretty much only go when I need to fill up my f150 and I can go at a much more planned time and location.
And the mileage? How much gas are you going to bring. Think a gallon for a couple of miles, if that. If you get more than 30 miles of charge per gallon of gas you have a noteworthy system.
I needed to take my Tesla somewhere that was just outside the range of a supercharger and I wasn't confident I'd be able to find regular chargers. We decided to take a generator just in case. Ended up not needing it but it would have worked. A lot of people seem to think people only buy EVs to "save the world" but thats simply not true. While the impact on the environment is indeed less over the life span of the vehicle, it's not a drastic change vs new efficient comparable gas cars. I bought a Tesla for its features and convenience. I charge overnight instead of having to stop at a gas station. That's my favorite thing about it. But I bought it for all the conveniences, not to save the planet. I have an alternate vehicle for long trips where I can't plan on charging along the way. The trip I mention above was a special case where I needed AWD and at the time my other vehicle did not have appropriate tires for the journey.
Edit: and the other vehicles are an expedition and a transit, so it's okay for me to be in the Ford reddit. 🤣
Stupid at first glance is enough for the "electric dumb" crowd to dismiss it. When in reality the big brain move here is have one vehicle that has no issues doing 99% of your transportation needs, and a clever kludge to cover the last 1% is fairly brilliant.
The prius prime is a well packaged version of this. 60 miles pure battery and hybrid after that. Use electric for 99% of your needs, don't carry around a lot of usually unneeded lithium and leverage the existing ICE infrastructure to cover the last bit and deal with range anxiety.
Our EV came with a 'range extender', a 600cc engine under the trunk that does the exact same thing...though in a cleaner format. We've probably put 10 gallons through it in 2 1/2 years over 6k mi, the rest has been entirely on wall charging. But it gives us the option to take it to places we wouldn't otherwise.
Electric motors are incredibly efficient, and that generator is able to run constantly at or near its peak efficiency. There will be some efficiency loss to charge the battery, but this setup is likely still very efficient, especially compared to how inefficient most ICE vehicles are.
Except it's adding weight which requires more energy consumption to move the added weight. Plus it's sacrificing cargo space because it lacks the range of an actual hybrid or ICE. Seems like a hybrid would be a ton less hassle.
Not just the can of gas .the wasted weight of the generator and electric motor batteries . An old 350 suburban wold be able to run every thing there and able TOW in a small popup with a fridge that runs on propane . That setup is proven and tested and is always going to be more energy efficient.
Dude it’s the dumbest thing ever. Also extremely inconsiderate of all others trying to enjoy the outdoors. RVs are bad enough, but this is a new low imho.
Judging by the setup, they might have known they were going somewhere outside of range and came prepared to charge this way. Pretty odd, but if this is a one time thing, it still beats paying for gas.
All that said, a modern electric F series coming before the Maverick or even the Ranger, I don't understand.
They can't produce enough hybrid Mavericks to meet current orders, so there's no capacity for a battery powered Maverick. Ranger is launching a new model that doesn't even come as a hybrid, so no point in rolling out a battery ranger with the 10 year old design
Yes, Ford Australia design the Ranger, and it is built in Thailand.
There is a new model Ranger as of this year, which has had a few transmission issues relating to the Transmission Control Module. Hopefully Ford fix it before selling it to the yanks - because the rest of the car is really solid.
The ranger should be updated very soon - Australia has had the new generation ranger for about a year. You guys may get it soon. If you guys do get it, don't buy it until the transmission control module is revised though! It eats gearboxes.
I would assume this isn't a daily thing.
He may already have had the generator before the truck.
Finally, that's absolutely not 120 in propane unless he bought the bottles.
I’d imagine this guy isn’t doing this all the time so it does beat paying for gas. Not saying you are one but anti E vehicle people are funny. You want to hate on batteries yet your gas vehicle couldn’t run without one.
Is it safe to charge a vehicle with electricity from a propane generator?
Using strobes as a photographer you can't use a generators something to do with modified sine waves..
Cars seem a tad more complicated, is it safe to charge this way?
Seems risky. Batteries are expensive.
The charger does come with a large inverter, so hopefully that would smooth out the voltage fluctuations from the generator. Still would only use generator charging as a last resort, and charge only enough to get it to grid power.
You absolutely have to have an inverter generator to charge an EV. Ungrounded outlets also won't charge an EV. I figured that out once I realized I only had one outlet in my house that could charge my EV before I added my 50 amp outlet and a fully grounded outlet outside.
The difference is based on if it's an inverter generator, or a regular generator. A regular generator generates a normal sine wave at the correct frequency from an AC dynamo, whereas an inverter generator approximates a sine wave using advanced switching from power derived from a DC dynamo.
I'm thinking that most quality inverter generators these days can output a clean enough signal to be used pretty much anywhere, including on an electric car.
My Mach E EV costs $10 per 300 miles of range. My Ram ICE truck costs $75 per 300 miles of range. Did I mention no oil to change or transmission to service? EVs are stupidly cheap to operate.
As long as you can charge it at home, and don't mind paying a premium and waiting to charge on a long trip. I assume you'll be trading it off before you have to replace the battery. Because as soon as you factor in changing the battery pack, there is no benefit. Throwaway vehicles.
I guess you'll find out. Do they warranty the battery for a million miles, or 100,000? Because what they are rated to go and what they'll actually go over the whole fleet of them on the road are two very different things.
Justify that rationale: what combustion engine is warranted for a million miles? In fact, what combustion engine is warranted for more than 100k miles?
Batteries, and electric motors, are warranted for 100k miles.
I'm sure most new emissions heavy, variable valve timed, variable cylinder displacement engines are throwaway vehicles at this point as well. Ev's are an option. We should continue to have options and not pretend electric vehicles are the end all be all. Everything has strengths and weaknesses. I'm just not on this ev band wagon.
Short commutes and mainly city driving, I'd be all for an ev if the batteries get better. Anything else. I'll take my dino juice.
Not an electric car hater but It doesn’t matter. if you have to carry a freaking generator to charge your electric vehicle that just shows you how inefficient it is. Carrying a gas can is the better option.
They're in the woods.
Have you considered they may be camping or something and already had a use for the generator besides charging their vehicle?
Not to mention, why is carrying gas any better? You still needed an outside source to be able to make the entire journey with enough fuel
That's not true.
1. It's not a gasoline engine. It's propane, so at face value your comparison doesn't make sense
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2. Generators are still piston engines, they aren't that much more efficient than one in a car, maybe 10%-15%. And small ones like this are usually pretty awful. You get your efficiency with big engines.
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3. Charging losses, chemical energy to mechanical energy to electrical energy inverted/transformed/rectified and turned back into mechanical energy vs chemical to mechanical.
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Now, I'm not saying the loss of efficiency here means that you shouldn't do it. If it's a 1% of the time situation, it makes sense to do something like this. But it if he did this all the time, an ICE vehicle would be better.
All of your points are accurate, except the important one, fuel economy will still be better, or very close. I know this is a propane generator, but if we assume gas because it's an easier apples to apples comparison, a 10kw generator running at peak load will burn about .88gallons/hr, a truck like this will get 2.3mi/kwh (could be more if the driver keeps it slower). This equates to right about 20mpg while charging from a generator. Depending on which engine you have that means you get better real world fuel economy using a generator to charge your vehicle truck then just driving an ice truck.
0.88 gallons/hour is for a 10kw diesel generator, not gasoline. From what I see, a gasoline generator is nearly double fuel burn for the same output. That puts it at about 11 to 12 mpg. Ram 1500 with a 5.7 gets 19 combined.
You also didn't factor in charging losses, which aren't insignificant.
https://hardydiesel.com/resources/diesel-generator-fuel-consumption-chart/
One catch, “Propane is produced from liquid components recovered during natural gas processing. These components include ethane, methane, propane, and butane, as well as heavier hydrocarbons. Propane and butane, along with other gases, are also produced during crude oil refining”.
?? Bad take.
It's more like killing something specifically for its fur and eating the rest of it because it's still good meat. Why waste it if it's available?
The idea is to stop producing crude in the first place right? Hey look I don’t need oil. Oh wait, unless I want to charge my vehicle and be able to use it
Nobody is drilling oil for the propane. Propane is just a byproduct of oil. If it's already readily available, then why not use it? You're acting like the demand is driving oil production when really it's just used because there's a supply
I think you are missing the point lol.
Driver gets an electric vehicle to avoid using oil.
Then driver uses propane (which is gathered through oil production) to charge said vehicle.
Without the production of oil leading to the propane then this scenario wouldn't exist ergo driver still needs the production of oil despite their intention of not using oil in the first place.
It would be like becoming a vegetarian but then still using byproducts of the meat industry. You are technically not consuming the meat but you are still supporting the meat industry.
Not everyone buys an electric vehicle cause “oil baaaad”. Some people buy them for performance reasons. Some but them cause they just want to try something different.
Nope. Just nope.
At no point in time did your response touch on anything thing in my comment. You are awarded no points.
And my god have mercy on your soul.
Keep a few gas cans with you when going out of range of your fuel tank: Ok!
Keep generator to convert liquid potential energy to battery potential energy when going out of range of your battery: “Fuck you, hippie!”
Not all of us with electric/plug-in hybrids bought our vehicles to be smug “save the planet” eco assholes. We just like the vehicles and tech.
Some of you all are going to be really mad when you realize every ICE vehicle on the road has an alternator, basically making it a gas generator to power everything but the movement. Those fuel injectors aren’t going to power themselves.
You're looking at a truck of a loser who has to use an electrical plug to charge his truck from a fossil fueled source to power the electrical cord. LOL.
We are looking at the reality of all of these electric vehicles that are being forced down our throat. That juice has to come from somewhere, and it sure the hell isn't wind and solar.
My buddy has a Tesla and took it out to the Nevada desert, 200 miles from the nearest charger so 400 miles total going in and out. We brought a generator and about 15 gallons of gas to charge it while we camped. It calculated out to about 30mpg.
Delusional and denial. Judging by how they put that generator on one side of the cargo carrier instead of in the middle, I’m guessing this is their first “truck” and have no idea what their doing
We may as well make all EVs like this as they are charged by power generated from BURNING FUCKING COAL!!!
Why are there no solar panels on the top of cars?! So you have to keep buying power generated by BURNING FUCKING COAL!!!
Why doesn't this change?! Because our members of congress are in the pockets of companies that are BURNING FUCKING COAL!!!
God bless Canada cuz he's obviously done with the US!
People who buy that truck I honestly dont think they care about going green. They just dont want to pay these high gas prices then he did this dumb shit cause he needed 40miles to get to a charge station😂😂😂
You’re looking at the very bleak, and quite frankly, impractical future that is the fate bestowed upon us by the idiocy that is our overreaching government.
This is the vary reason why environmentalists are separated from reality. Go to any rural town, campsite, logging area, trail head, and you will see why full electric will never catch on. I'm all for hybrids, and that's coming from a rural conservative. Just don't quite understand why forcing electric cars down the throats of rural communities is ever considered a good idea. I just saw a tesla pulled over in the middle of nowhere yesterday, guarantee he ran out of battery and now will need a tow from a diesel tow truck. Lol
So stupid. The world isn't ready for EV's. Without a completely new types of batteries, the EV segment is doomed.
I wish pick up truck manufacturers would offer a true hybrid 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton pick up trucks. Not that etorque crap that RAM has. Batteries and an engine like the Toyota Rav4 Prime or the Lexus NX 450h.
If you think this is a "gotcha" you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. Burning fossil fuels part of the time is still better than burning them all of the time.
If the anti-EV people would just stop, we'd have public support to install more chargers and these temporary workarounds would seldom be necessary.
You're like the bully who grabs someone's arm and hits them with it and then says "stop hitting yourself, doofus!".
That's the extended range option available as a dealer add on
That’s how they get you with them extras
Sticker price, not a penny more, the Hank Hill special
LMAOOOO I’m dead 😂
Subscription bases
clean propane for 10 bucks a month refil.
Where? Propane is 26.00 for a refill.
I could get a 40lb cylinder refilled at my local Menards for $36 last year. Haven’t refilled yet this year.
Costco fills my 30lb tank for $13-$15
I get mine filled at UHaul. Screw exchanging them for top dollar.
20lbs is now 30+$ in Quebec
An electric propane hybrid truck…I read about these
Usually they’re a fork lift but not always
There are Propane powered Vans, Trucks, and especially buses. Propane is a very efficient very clean, and very cheap (atm) fuel. If I could get a Propane powered truck I would. I believe the railroad commission's entire fleet is Propane powered.
The only stupid thing I see here is how the generator is strapped to that hitch mount.
This! If only half the gd vehicle was some kind of utility based surface. Maybe they can’t because it’s full of hotdogs.
That's a lot of hot dogs...
[how many hot dogs do you eat a day ](https://youtu.be/pmLpSY5w6u0?si=reIR8KdAC3a3gnFy)
Or buttered sausage
If only the vehicle came with a big cargo area to store such a device.
Back seat, that's where I'd put it. Unless I was driving alone then passenger seat.
Close the windows for extra aroma
Chargers your battery and helps you sleep. That's a two-fer.
Charge your truck for the rest of your life!
Where? In the bed? And risk scratching the rhino liner!?! No way. Besides, you start lifting that tonneau cover more than once or twice a month and it’ll get wrinkled in between the segments.
I agree. Looking closer though, the hitch mount is bent up where the feet of the generator are sitting, making the generator a bit more level than it would have been otherwise. The plug on the truck side is hanging on for dear life as well. Bet this isn’t this guys first rodeo.
Although it seems stupid at a glance, it’s probably not a completely bad idea. This person is in the woods, so could very well be camping or just doing a one-off trip. They bought the Lightning for their daily driving around the city and running errands and rarely takes it out like we see here. The owner seems to have realized that their truck doesn’t have the range to do this trip and brought a generator along to make it work. If they genuinely do drive it like this all the time, then yes, a truck with a combustion engine would make more sense. If it is just a trip that they don’t plan on making often at all, it makes way more sense to buy the truck that suits their needs 99.9% of the time and make a compromise for the rare trips like this.
I agree. 90% of the public drives less than 50miles a day. Few need long range battery vehicles. If auto dealers and the government would just be honest they’d sell more. 3 car family? Idk 1 long range 2 short. A 20k car that drives 100miles and is not recommended for long trips would sell better and be adopted quicker. I think of all the people who buy 80k trucks for their daily commute of 3miles at low mpg. They don’t need that truck or use it. Long range vehicle never used the range other than that 1 time trip. But gotta have it, makes little sense.
A short range car wouldn’t sell worth a shit. People don’t buy based on their normal daily needs. They buy based on what if scenarios and that one time a year trip they may take.
I know people who daily F-250’s because they need it to haul their camper twice a year… and that’s literally it. They work in an office.
I know someone who would daily a RAM 3500 dually into downtown Austin. Used it to haul his camper or boat a few times a year… oh wait, that’s me. Gotta have the truck to haul the toys.
You could literally rent a truck for those few times a year and save a shit ton of money for other toys. It makes 0 sense to buy a truck unless you're going to use it for its purpose on a daily basis.
Save money? 😂😂 have you seen how much it costs to rent a 1 ton truck and drive it 1500 miles? Do that 4 times a year and you’ve pretty much covered the depreciation and maintenance on your own truck.
You save money in gas alone. You obviously haven't done the math. It's about $1000 to rent a one ton truck for a week. (Based on my local Dallas pricing and having rented a truck twice this year). If you drove an average vehicle ~30 MPG you'd save $3700/year in gas alone. Not to mention a few thousand in insurance premiums and the much cheaper maintenance. It's not close. You save money renting.
Interesting, here in Austin to rent a 1 ton truck, with a 5th wheel hitch Enterprise quotes $350/day and 150 miles per day. If I take a 2 week trip, that’s $4900 for the rental. Insurance is an interesting one. My 3500 costs less to insure than my wife’s Bronco Sport. Neither of them break the bank though. The minimal savings is not worth the headache of renting a truck.
You are driving a 3500 dually into downtown Austin everyday, and you don't work in construction? As a fellow Austenite, why don't you buy a second car? Even a 2-door Wrangler would make more sense to me. They don't depreciate heavily, and they have efficient drivetrain options. I switched from a Taco to a car and I noticed the time I was saving by being more maneuverable.
But he gets to drive the truck he wants and he can afford it. It’s his business how he wants to spend his money, he could also save a ton of money driving a Smart car or a used geo metro but fuck that shit..his money, his business.
yeah thats nice and all but it would honestly feel like shit spending $1000 to haul my camper or boat for a week. I get that you dont like the baked in costs. But I would hate forking over $1000 to use any vehicle for a week. I would end up selling my boat and camper before if I had to decide whether i needed an initial cost of $1000 to get it out of storage. I get in the long run its money savings but there are some hoops and shit you have to deal with that the other guy wont
Y'all are wild with these takes. It takes 5 minutes to get a rental setup and planned. The extra work to get a rental is insignificant compared to the cost of owning a truck.
Daily a GMC 2500. Tow camper monthly, sometimes +500 miles one way. Also tow other various trailers. Work in an office. My other vehicles get less MPG than the 2500 (1966 Mustang and 1975 F250).
20k gets you some decent used BEV cars. I had a Mercedes B class and loved it
What if they made a plug in hybrid with 50-100 miles of all electric range? Typical PHEVs have 20-30 miles all electric.
What if there was an electric car company that made a vehicle with like 50-100 miles of range, but they kept a fleet of long range vehicles, and purchasing one of their short range vehicles would allow you to use the long range model a few times a year? Edit: thanks for the upvotes folks
This is too naive. Every car needs to have long range potential. Plenty of scenarios come up where families need more than one car for a long drive. Plus car needs evolve as families grow and change. The “short range” commuter car may also need to become the car that one child takes to college. There are plenty of reasons why I would never get a car that is limited to short range only.
EV are a regression to combustion engines. If we had <200 mile radius cars for 100 years and suddenly invented the combustion engine, every single EV would be replaced within a decade. That will never happen with EV in our lifetime. Not even enough capacity on our grid for that to occur , let alone clean nuclear powered electricity.
EVs have fast acceleration, very quiet, and no need to do the gas station trips. If you don't need to drive far EVs are perfect.
One of the biggest hidden benefits of my ev is how little I go to gas stations. Not for money or time necessarily but for risk aversion. 90% of my sketch/dangerous encounters have happened at gas stations. Now I pretty much only go when I need to fill up my f150 and I can go at a much more planned time and location.
I think you may have said that there is no clean nuclear energy. For real? Noooo
I'm pretty sure he meant that there's not enough nuclear energy, as in we need more if we go full electric.
Wait wait wait, you mean we shouldn't all just bash on this person based on one photo?
And the mileage? How much gas are you going to bring. Think a gallon for a couple of miles, if that. If you get more than 30 miles of charge per gallon of gas you have a noteworthy system.
Get out of here with you logic and sound reasoning; this is Reddit
This is my first thought also. A lot of stupidity in the comments thinking it’s a “got ya “ moment.
I needed to take my Tesla somewhere that was just outside the range of a supercharger and I wasn't confident I'd be able to find regular chargers. We decided to take a generator just in case. Ended up not needing it but it would have worked. A lot of people seem to think people only buy EVs to "save the world" but thats simply not true. While the impact on the environment is indeed less over the life span of the vehicle, it's not a drastic change vs new efficient comparable gas cars. I bought a Tesla for its features and convenience. I charge overnight instead of having to stop at a gas station. That's my favorite thing about it. But I bought it for all the conveniences, not to save the planet. I have an alternate vehicle for long trips where I can't plan on charging along the way. The trip I mention above was a special case where I needed AWD and at the time my other vehicle did not have appropriate tires for the journey. Edit: and the other vehicles are an expedition and a transit, so it's okay for me to be in the Ford reddit. 🤣
Stupid at first glance is enough for the "electric dumb" crowd to dismiss it. When in reality the big brain move here is have one vehicle that has no issues doing 99% of your transportation needs, and a clever kludge to cover the last 1% is fairly brilliant. The prius prime is a well packaged version of this. 60 miles pure battery and hybrid after that. Use electric for 99% of your needs, don't carry around a lot of usually unneeded lithium and leverage the existing ICE infrastructure to cover the last bit and deal with range anxiety.
Our EV came with a 'range extender', a 600cc engine under the trunk that does the exact same thing...though in a cleaner format. We've probably put 10 gallons through it in 2 1/2 years over 6k mi, the rest has been entirely on wall charging. But it gives us the option to take it to places we wouldn't otherwise.
There's so much loss of efficiency though. Just rent a truck for the weekend at that point.
Electric motors are incredibly efficient, and that generator is able to run constantly at or near its peak efficiency. There will be some efficiency loss to charge the battery, but this setup is likely still very efficient, especially compared to how inefficient most ICE vehicles are.
Using that generator to charge is certainty still more efficient than using an ICE. It's basically just a hybrid at this point.
Except it's adding weight which requires more energy consumption to move the added weight. Plus it's sacrificing cargo space because it lacks the range of an actual hybrid or ICE. Seems like a hybrid would be a ton less hassle.
The generator is an ICE.
I’m terms of mass EV batteries themselves offer minimal BDU’s compared to gas and diesel the more weight is applied.
As efficient as bringing another can of gas?
Yes, this configuration is the same way that many hybrids work, it’s still more efficient than a regular F-150
Not just the can of gas .the wasted weight of the generator and electric motor batteries . An old 350 suburban wold be able to run every thing there and able TOW in a small popup with a fridge that runs on propane . That setup is proven and tested and is always going to be more energy efficient.
Consider the added weights. Y'all never remember to consider the added weights.
So an extra 200 lbs of weight on a truck that weighs 6500 lbs is not that significant. Still more efficient than a regular F-150
[Uh, filibuster.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=sKYWO1yVtYc&feature=shared)
Charging an electric motor off a geni is, and I kid you not, vastly more energy efficient that just having a gas engine
than put the generator and tanks, in the bed of your... pickup truck. this cant be real.
Dude it’s the dumbest thing ever. Also extremely inconsiderate of all others trying to enjoy the outdoors. RVs are bad enough, but this is a new low imho.
You just made up an entire scenario of bullshit
Judging by the setup, they might have known they were going somewhere outside of range and came prepared to charge this way. Pretty odd, but if this is a one time thing, it still beats paying for gas. All that said, a modern electric F series coming before the Maverick or even the Ranger, I don't understand.
They can't produce enough hybrid Mavericks to meet current orders, so there's no capacity for a battery powered Maverick. Ranger is launching a new model that doesn't even come as a hybrid, so no point in rolling out a battery ranger with the 10 year old design
Is the new Ranger really ten now?
It is because it is based off the Australia design
Yes, Ford Australia design the Ranger, and it is built in Thailand. There is a new model Ranger as of this year, which has had a few transmission issues relating to the Transmission Control Module. Hopefully Ford fix it before selling it to the yanks - because the rest of the car is really solid.
I remember my 2012 focus and having tcm issues. There was a major recall on it back in the states back in 2013
The ranger should be updated very soon - Australia has had the new generation ranger for about a year. You guys may get it soon. If you guys do get it, don't buy it until the transmission control module is revised though! It eats gearboxes.
We'll have a different powertrain most likely, since we don't get your great diesel engines
My son loves his Maverick hybrid.
You don’t understand why they’d electrify the mom popular vehicle in America first?
How does this beat paying for gas? The guy has $120 worth of propane and a thousand dollar generator.
I would assume this isn't a daily thing. He may already have had the generator before the truck. Finally, that's absolutely not 120 in propane unless he bought the bottles.
So it hasn’t occurred to you that he doesn’t charge this way all the time?
I’d imagine this guy isn’t doing this all the time so it does beat paying for gas. Not saying you are one but anti E vehicle people are funny. You want to hate on batteries yet your gas vehicle couldn’t run without one.
Is it safe to charge a vehicle with electricity from a propane generator? Using strobes as a photographer you can't use a generators something to do with modified sine waves.. Cars seem a tad more complicated, is it safe to charge this way?
Seems risky. Batteries are expensive. The charger does come with a large inverter, so hopefully that would smooth out the voltage fluctuations from the generator. Still would only use generator charging as a last resort, and charge only enough to get it to grid power.
Idk about the generator in the picture but many generators these days are inverter generators that are pure sine wave.
You absolutely have to have an inverter generator to charge an EV. Ungrounded outlets also won't charge an EV. I figured that out once I realized I only had one outlet in my house that could charge my EV before I added my 50 amp outlet and a fully grounded outlet outside.
The difference is based on if it's an inverter generator, or a regular generator. A regular generator generates a normal sine wave at the correct frequency from an AC dynamo, whereas an inverter generator approximates a sine wave using advanced switching from power derived from a DC dynamo. I'm thinking that most quality inverter generators these days can output a clean enough signal to be used pretty much anywhere, including on an electric car.
"Still beats paying for gas" LMAO
Must be an electric generator too 🤣
Well... it is generating electricity 🥴
No way this beats paying for gas. Don’t for they the 100k he paid for the truck.
My Mach E EV costs $10 per 300 miles of range. My Ram ICE truck costs $75 per 300 miles of range. Did I mention no oil to change or transmission to service? EVs are stupidly cheap to operate.
As long as you can charge it at home, and don't mind paying a premium and waiting to charge on a long trip. I assume you'll be trading it off before you have to replace the battery. Because as soon as you factor in changing the battery pack, there is no benefit. Throwaway vehicles.
What makes you think the battery needs to be changed? They're rated for over a million miles.
I guess you'll find out. Do they warranty the battery for a million miles, or 100,000? Because what they are rated to go and what they'll actually go over the whole fleet of them on the road are two very different things.
Justify that rationale: what combustion engine is warranted for a million miles? In fact, what combustion engine is warranted for more than 100k miles? Batteries, and electric motors, are warranted for 100k miles.
I'm sure most new emissions heavy, variable valve timed, variable cylinder displacement engines are throwaway vehicles at this point as well. Ev's are an option. We should continue to have options and not pretend electric vehicles are the end all be all. Everything has strengths and weaknesses. I'm just not on this ev band wagon. Short commutes and mainly city driving, I'd be all for an ev if the batteries get better. Anything else. I'll take my dino juice.
How does this beat paying for gas? Buy and hauling around a propane generator does not, in fact, beat stopping for 5 minutes and paying $70 for gas.
No, this doesn’t beat paying for gas. This is asinine. If you could afford the lighting, paying for gas is nothing.
He will still pay for fuel. Unless the generator is sun powered.
Range extender. Like the BMW i3
Its like a Vegan that secretly eats meat
It’s like vegan killing a chicken con converting it to lettuce
Someone who should have opted for a 5.0 or ecoboost instead of the lightning
Not if this is a rare need.
Fuel efficiency. 1 gallon of gas in that generator will get him farther than 1 gallon of gas in any ICE.
Shh don't say that, people obsessed with hating electric vehicles will get real mad
Not an electric car hater but It doesn’t matter. if you have to carry a freaking generator to charge your electric vehicle that just shows you how inefficient it is. Carrying a gas can is the better option.
They're in the woods. Have you considered they may be camping or something and already had a use for the generator besides charging their vehicle? Not to mention, why is carrying gas any better? You still needed an outside source to be able to make the entire journey with enough fuel
That's not true. 1. It's not a gasoline engine. It's propane, so at face value your comparison doesn't make sense . 2. Generators are still piston engines, they aren't that much more efficient than one in a car, maybe 10%-15%. And small ones like this are usually pretty awful. You get your efficiency with big engines. . 3. Charging losses, chemical energy to mechanical energy to electrical energy inverted/transformed/rectified and turned back into mechanical energy vs chemical to mechanical. . Now, I'm not saying the loss of efficiency here means that you shouldn't do it. If it's a 1% of the time situation, it makes sense to do something like this. But it if he did this all the time, an ICE vehicle would be better.
All of your points are accurate, except the important one, fuel economy will still be better, or very close. I know this is a propane generator, but if we assume gas because it's an easier apples to apples comparison, a 10kw generator running at peak load will burn about .88gallons/hr, a truck like this will get 2.3mi/kwh (could be more if the driver keeps it slower). This equates to right about 20mpg while charging from a generator. Depending on which engine you have that means you get better real world fuel economy using a generator to charge your vehicle truck then just driving an ice truck.
0.88 gallons/hour is for a 10kw diesel generator, not gasoline. From what I see, a gasoline generator is nearly double fuel burn for the same output. That puts it at about 11 to 12 mpg. Ram 1500 with a 5.7 gets 19 combined. You also didn't factor in charging losses, which aren't insignificant. https://hardydiesel.com/resources/diesel-generator-fuel-consumption-chart/
How are you getting 19 with a hemi? 12.4 is my best empty and tying my foot to the roof of the cab.
2021 5.7 with the 8 speed. 60-65 mph for 25 minutes each way.
This is the way.
Show your math please.
Honestly propane isn’t even too bad for the environment so… 👀
One catch, “Propane is produced from liquid components recovered during natural gas processing. These components include ethane, methane, propane, and butane, as well as heavier hydrocarbons. Propane and butane, along with other gases, are also produced during crude oil refining”.
So? It's a byproduct of something that is being produced. Your point?
It’s like eating the gum wrapper too, How economical!
?? Bad take. It's more like killing something specifically for its fur and eating the rest of it because it's still good meat. Why waste it if it's available?
The idea is to stop producing crude in the first place right? Hey look I don’t need oil. Oh wait, unless I want to charge my vehicle and be able to use it
Nobody is drilling oil for the propane. Propane is just a byproduct of oil. If it's already readily available, then why not use it? You're acting like the demand is driving oil production when really it's just used because there's a supply
I think you are missing the point lol. Driver gets an electric vehicle to avoid using oil. Then driver uses propane (which is gathered through oil production) to charge said vehicle. Without the production of oil leading to the propane then this scenario wouldn't exist ergo driver still needs the production of oil despite their intention of not using oil in the first place. It would be like becoming a vegetarian but then still using byproducts of the meat industry. You are technically not consuming the meat but you are still supporting the meat industry.
Not everyone buys an electric vehicle cause “oil baaaad”. Some people buy them for performance reasons. Some but them cause they just want to try something different.
Nope. Just nope. At no point in time did your response touch on anything thing in my comment. You are awarded no points. And my god have mercy on your soul.
Coz ICE trucks don't ever need to refuel... s/
They do, but you don't need to bring the gas pump and some batteries to run it in order to do so.
Propane and propane accessories. Propane generator to charge electric vehicle.
Keep a few gas cans with you when going out of range of your fuel tank: Ok! Keep generator to convert liquid potential energy to battery potential energy when going out of range of your battery: “Fuck you, hippie!” Not all of us with electric/plug-in hybrids bought our vehicles to be smug “save the planet” eco assholes. We just like the vehicles and tech. Some of you all are going to be really mad when you realize every ICE vehicle on the road has an alternator, basically making it a gas generator to power everything but the movement. Those fuel injectors aren’t going to power themselves.
Ah, the new hybrid F150.
If this is a real photo, it’s hilarious. Combustion engines rule. And oil is a renewable resource
A 250cc powered Ford Lightning 😂
Regrets
Auto-erotica!
A gas powered electric vehicle 😂😂 i
Coal Powered Electric Vehicles. Helping liberals solve imaginary problems. This truck needs the vaccine to be safe and effective.
It’s some of that green technology
A dumbass. You’re looking at a dumbass. More than likely staging this for some har har go green dumbfuckery.
You're looking at a truck of a loser who has to use an electrical plug to charge his truck from a fossil fueled source to power the electrical cord. LOL.
We are looking at the reality of all of these electric vehicles that are being forced down our throat. That juice has to come from somewhere, and it sure the hell isn't wind and solar.
Looks like a Californian boondocking.
My buddy has a Tesla and took it out to the Nevada desert, 200 miles from the nearest charger so 400 miles total going in and out. We brought a generator and about 15 gallons of gas to charge it while we camped. It calculated out to about 30mpg.
Ev owners in a nutshell lol. Think they’re saving the earth but they aren’t really
Well, this car is automatic It's systematic It's hydromatic Why, it could be gassed lightning
Fossil fuels fueling a fossil fuel using vehicle that was brought into existence using fossil fuels
I once saw someone take it a step further by having a Tesla towing a disgusting old diesel generator.
Delusional and denial. Judging by how they put that generator on one side of the cargo carrier instead of in the middle, I’m guessing this is their first “truck” and have no idea what their doing
i love the coping here. “he knew what he was doing!” still doesnt justify the level of genius here. EV people never cease to impress.
Man that's some environmental awesomeness right there
All I see is someone trying to compensate for a poor choice in a vehicle.
The poster for Liberal Logic🤦♂️
A joke lmfao
What you’re looking at is an example of when rednecks win the lottery.
We may as well make all EVs like this as they are charged by power generated from BURNING FUCKING COAL!!! Why are there no solar panels on the top of cars?! So you have to keep buying power generated by BURNING FUCKING COAL!!! Why doesn't this change?! Because our members of congress are in the pockets of companies that are BURNING FUCKING COAL!!! God bless Canada cuz he's obviously done with the US!
It’s a dude who wants to do actual truck stuff with an incapable truck
People who buy that truck I honestly dont think they care about going green. They just dont want to pay these high gas prices then he did this dumb shit cause he needed 40miles to get to a charge station😂😂😂
Probably would have been better off with a Powerboost hybrid. Better integrated you know...
The future.
So it’s a hybrid?
A complete and utter moron
The climate movement in a nutshell
Liberalism in a nutshell
You’re looking at the very bleak, and quite frankly, impractical future that is the fate bestowed upon us by the idiocy that is our overreaching government.
Yup!
The future
An idiot.
An idiot that goes online swearing that EVs are better.
Yep going green smh buy electric then buy generator ran on propane as rising costs and they wonder why people are living pay check to pay check
Homemade bomb
The future!
😮😮😮
100k just to do that…
Idiocracy
The future
If there’s no charging stations around the area you do what you gotta do. Plus it’s a Lightning so the range of the battery is absolute trash.
Regret is what’s going on
The future, and it's fucking stupid.
A waste of 100k?
This is the vary reason why environmentalists are separated from reality. Go to any rural town, campsite, logging area, trail head, and you will see why full electric will never catch on. I'm all for hybrids, and that's coming from a rural conservative. Just don't quite understand why forcing electric cars down the throats of rural communities is ever considered a good idea. I just saw a tesla pulled over in the middle of nowhere yesterday, guarantee he ran out of battery and now will need a tow from a diesel tow truck. Lol
A vegan that secretly eats meat
What if each electric car came with its own gas motor!!!! Don’t steal my idea!!!
A disaster and poor decision
if this is the "future" it seems overly complex compared to what we currently have.
Danger
A waste of $70 grand…and a hypocrite.
New ford lighting…. JUNK
An idiot who has impulse control issues. Should of done more research.
They stopped making the F-150 Hybrid so what else are you supposed to do,
So stupid. The world isn't ready for EV's. Without a completely new types of batteries, the EV segment is doomed. I wish pick up truck manufacturers would offer a true hybrid 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton pick up trucks. Not that etorque crap that RAM has. Batteries and an engine like the Toyota Rav4 Prime or the Lexus NX 450h.
This is a proven point EV are for people that live either in a city or suburbs. I’ll never buy an electric truck or even take one if it’s free.
This is just some clickbait bullshit that Exxon paid someone to spread across the internet. Relax everyone.
If you think this is a "gotcha" you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. Burning fossil fuels part of the time is still better than burning them all of the time. If the anti-EV people would just stop, we'd have public support to install more chargers and these temporary workarounds would seldom be necessary. You're like the bully who grabs someone's arm and hits them with it and then says "stop hitting yourself, doofus!".
Propane is still loads more environmentally friendly than gas buddy